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I'm not going to analyse the short comings of the team today, Mr Stillman is the geezer for that job and can probably form a more objective and informed opinion of the game than I.

But what I would like to talk about is the sour and, lets face it, childish way in which we reacted to the defeat.

Some may argue that Alan Pardew goaded Wenger directly after the scoring of the winner, by as far as I can see, the West Ham manager celebrated what was clearly a winning goal against the top footballing side in the league when his team had been nothing less than pathetic all season.

I can forgive Arsene his reaction to Pardew's celebration, I'm a passionate man & my TV and remote took a hefty beating as the ball hit the back of the net, but what I can't forgive is Wenger's lack of handshake at the end of the game.

Sure, in the heat of the moment things get said and done, but Wenger is a professional and extending the common courtesy of a gentlemanly handshake at the end of a game is not too much to ask.

I may get slated for this article, but to be frank I don't care, what we saw after the final whistle was nothing sort of embarassing.

While it's good that it shows the team has passion for the game, I'd much prefer that it was shown ON the pitch rather than in situations that brings negative press we as a club could do without.

Please, let's just show a little more professionalism and grace in defeat as we do in victory.

Rant over.

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The Journalist

Writer: Rocky7 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday November 5 2006

Time: 5:38PM

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It is Mourinho who has continually lowered the standard of behaviour amongst managers. It is disappointing to see a man of Arsene Wenger's brilliance and stature reacting in this way. Whilst we are all human beings prone to being very emotional, there is absolutely no excuse for not shaking hands at the end of the game. In sports far more brutal than a game of football (rugby) there is always a handshake even if its with a bloke who has broken your nose.
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05/11/2006 18:03:00

Currently awaiting Mourinho's latest outburst of ill considered petulance.
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05/11/2006 18:04:00

Can't say i'm sorry to see you boys lose, but it's hardly the 1st time Wenger has reacted so petulantly!!! Petulance and down right sour grapes kinda ooze through your team at times, mainly from Henry and Wenger!! Just makes them look pathetic!!!
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05/11/2006 18:08:00

Dam I missed that last bit, I turned my Pcast of in anger when they scored and couldn't reconnect. Did arsne just storm off? Anyway I'm trying to forget about this and the fact 3rd was possible today. Although even chelsea lost makes no less burden on the defeat today.
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05/11/2006 18:09:00

i was shocked by wenger's reacytion - I've NEVER seen him flip like that. And it WAS bad.but pardew was also in the wrong for approaching him in the way he did - i attribute that to the relief from the pressure he has been under. so I can understand that. gutted about it all, should have been a penalty. BUT we cannot ignore the fact that we were playing a team who came out to play us - although in the first half there was a fair bit of kicking going on by some of the hammers players, they came out and brought the game to us, which we can have no complaint about they just defended very well, and once again that final ball wasnt quite right on a few occasions. we can have no complaints, i just want to say fair play to west ham. »»Arsene Knows««
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05/11/2006 18:12:00

what i think made le boss react in such a way was that first of all, pardew went overboard with his celebration, which is understood because it was a big win for them, but then he came really close to le boss and maybe tried to shake his hand at that moment and was saying something at the same moment, or just wanted to get hold of le boss's hand and say something to him, and you could see whatever pardew was saying wasnt pleasent, and le boss didn't like the fact that he tried to touch his hand and say something at the same time, he just pushed him away, and when he did that, pardew also tried to push him away, so it is wrong to only blame arsene for this incident..
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05/11/2006 18:30:00

and then we had a clear cut penalty, and had that been given, it would changed the game totally with 25 mins to go, and we didn't deserve to lose this game, but that's how it has been in the last two seasons for us, all refreeing decisions keep going against us, van persie against chelsea last season when he scored but was wrongly given offside, and etoo in the champions league final was offside too..
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05/11/2006 18:32:00

every1 talks about championship winning teams not playing well and still winning, we didn't play well today, but created just about enough to win the match, and had a clear penalty, and would have gone on to win the match, and everyone would then talk, oh they didnt play well but still got the result, but this is how it is, we just have to take it on the chin and look ahead to the next game..
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05/11/2006 18:35:00

in the last 2 years, this kind of petulant behaviour had actually reduced. we saw some foul arsenal behaviour, especially when viera used to be around. that was one thing that we were improving on, and it was disappointing to see wenger's reaction. what happened in the end? why was cesc so angry, and who was he upset with? does anyone know?
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05/11/2006 18:41:00

i disagree... last season when we weren't winning these sort of games the team would trudge off like saps... now at least we're showing some f*cking fight led by cesc and arsene... COME ON ARSENAL!!!!!!!!!!
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05/11/2006 19:09:00

well arsenal were really upset by the goading from west ham. pardew did not really mean it though I dont think, and he has apologised so he is cool with me. wenger may regret not shaking the hand. but sheringham was goading Fab and Jens and he is just dispicable scum, as if we didn't already know. when will he ever get his come uppence? He is 40 and I am still waiting. C***
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05/11/2006 19:16:00

I am glad these comments have come from an arsenal point of view, it was sad to see at the end after a hard london derby. I think most managers would have been ok with pardew's reaction especially after the pressure he's been under recently.
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05/11/2006 19:20:00

but hang on. Mourinho has trumped Wenger again being as magnanimous in defeat as usual. The man is a disgrace.
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05/11/2006 19:27:00

A good manager doesn't get worked up about what just happened on the pitch. He's thinking 'What are we going to do about it?' Clearly, Wenger wasnt' able to think that clearly. Wrong message to send to the players. Maybe the inability to finish off fine build up play, or even worrisome thoughts of the club's crushing debt load, is what is causing him to snap so easily. At this rate, he will truly fulfill his own prophecy of never being able to match Fergie's 20 years at the top. Hope he doesn't take it out on his pet snails.
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05/11/2006 19:31:00

He's just a bad loser!! Any manager is well within his rights to celebrate a teams goal! Wenger needs to grow up! Pardew has already publicly apologised IF he went OTT. Bet Wenger keeps quiet!!!
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05/11/2006 20:43:00

I expected better Baldy! Wenger isn't used to losing like the fat Dutchman. It's a novel experience! I hope Jol demonstrates some class on December 2nd!
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05/11/2006 20:49:00

In Wenger's honour, Jol's gonna sacrifice a plate of free-range escargot before the game.
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05/11/2006 21:07:00

that's good greatwhitenorf. Well, Jol already sacrificed fourth place last season, surely that was enough? »»Arsene Knows««
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05/11/2006 22:02:00

To be honest that is the first time that i ahve ever ever seen arsne lose his cool like that !! but i darnt say it is anything to worry so deeply about really !!!
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05/11/2006 22:33:00

Luckys_10, so if you didn't get a clear cut penalty for the foul on Hleb, how come you didn't mention the clear cut claim for a penalty with a foul on Bowyer by Gallas ? 1-1 in failed penalty claims I think
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05/11/2006 22:35:00

(Quote)In Wenger's honour, Jol's gonna sacrifice a plate of free-range escargot before the game. greatwhitenorf (Quote) Come on fella, You Spuds haven't got a good record of sacrificing fresh food before a game, have you? Lasgneooooooohhhhhhh!
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05/11/2006 22:48:00

Just seen the incident and it's not justified. Ok the fight may be but wenger should have handshook pardrew, I hope he takes pardrews apology and does the same.
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05/11/2006 23:02:00

Bit quiet iceman,rocky7 and little dutch!
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05/11/2006 23:13:00

Bit like Wenger...can't take a beating.
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05/11/2006 23:20:00

Meassage to unluckys10,stop writing shedloads of crap,no-one reads them and it just takes longer to scroll down past them.
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06/11/2006 00:17:00

Guys welcom to spurs vital football ... YOU ARE NEXT!!!!
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06/11/2006 00:19:00

says a lot for the tiny totts that they seem to spend more time on our board than on theior own. Shoudlnt you be on your own board celebrating your win over the chavs, instead of spouting crud like little cretins? »»Arsene Knows««
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06/11/2006 01:15:00

Ohh you poor little tossers we will be here to stay for the week.. GERBLES for sale..... REG NEW is the greatest manger of the week with his historonics.. Buy him a hamster get him som counselling.... Lucky white heather,, Little I dont like english players opps who just scored dutch.. and dimmey and scoochy wochy.. Pures**te its a weekedn to remember.. BUT THERE WILL BE MOREEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
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06/11/2006 03:48:00

Ohh sorry I forgot to mention beasty boy AAAAAAAAARRGGHHH I feel your pain haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!
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06/11/2006 03:50:00

The so called fan that threw the coin that hit Van Persie is a disgrace to English football fans and should be hung drawn and quartered
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06/11/2006 06:15:00

Wenger is a disgrace and should be given a 10 match touchline ban
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06/11/2006 06:30:00

Cravens, regarding the coin throwing - well said. Also the bloke who through a coin at Jensen on Saturday. Bring back public execution.
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06/11/2006 08:25:00

Agree with the article, will post my version at lunchtime but our image has taken a battering. I paid £40 and was stood yards away from the west ham fans, when they scored I was subject to more goading than Wenger, but if I can keep a lid on it, so can the manager. I think Pardew was out of order, but what happens happens and you shake hands. I asked the police at half time what would be done about the coin thrower, to which I got 'dunno.' So you should all know that he was allowed to watch the rest of the game, not one policeman or steward moved to the area of the incident.
Little Dutch
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06/11/2006 08:53:00

Oh and Sheringham did a bit of a Keown on Cesc at the end, screaming in his face, that's why he got so upset. But he should rise above it, Teddy is a great footballer but a poor human being and he did not warrant that reaction.
Little Dutch
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06/11/2006 08:56:00

i have to agree, Wenger should know better, i know its passion and dissapointment, i felt it too, but you have to shake the guys hand and say well played, even if you thin otherwise, its sporting and proffessional. we had a hangover of sorts from wednesday, it went completely the wrong way for us yesterday, i thought the team would be proving a point, not losing all 3 ! and Harry, your right, Mourinho is a bad loser too, wouldn't go as far to say he has lead the standard dropping, but it doesn't help seeing top managers throw their toys out and that includes my own mr wenger. anyone would of thought wenger and mourinho lost the league race yesterday, its only bloody november !
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06/11/2006 09:28:00

Wenger should have shaken Pardews hand. When Mourinho does this sort of thing we are the 1st to condemn it so I cant condone what Arsene did on this occasion, I can only say it is inconsistent with his behaviour over the last 10 years. Why Sp*rs "fans" are on here goading is beyond me? surely you would be better off on the Chelsea site or possibly waving the players open top bus through the streets, did you just win the premiership or beat 1 of your fiercest rivals for the 1st time in 16 years? please go and celebrate your mediocrity elsewhere.
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06/11/2006 10:08:00

iceman, they haven't realised that 1 win is not gonna win them the league yet, let it sink in, and then let them get a shock when Mourinho signs Lennon.
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06/11/2006 12:21:00

After SWP anyone with aspirations of a national career will think twice.
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06/11/2006 13:41:00

wenger is human after all then... the coin thrower should be locked up....
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06/11/2006 14:03:00

sir harry, that wasnt a foul on bowyer, it wasn't a penalty, whereas our's was a clear penalty, you should have a look at the tv replay..
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06/11/2006 15:10:00

show me a good loser,and all you will see is a loser.even if henry wasnt bothered its good to see the manager and the rest of the lads were,and if it wasnt for bad refereeing we wouldve probably converted the pen,and went home with the 3 points,well done spuds for doing something that wenger hasnt been able to do,beat jose! but it did take some bizzare refereeing to achieve.and why is it refs get sooo many penalty decisions wrong it must be about 50%,you had ours,blackburns phantom handball,and rooneys diving cheating antics again,but thats another story,....dropping henry for saturday should do the trick and wake him up from his slump.
fran merida
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06/11/2006 15:20:00

people don't like losing, but they behave in the right way until they are somewhere private then they can throw an hissy fit! its not hard to shake someones hand even if you do really want to give them a slap!
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06/11/2006 19:23:00

Would Pardew have done the same if it was Fergie standing there instead of Wenger ??....somehow I don't think so....
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07/11/2006 18:36:00


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