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Most of the talk surrounding today's game had been overshadowed by other events. The UEFA Champions' League Draw had provided my friends and I with plenty of food for thought as we began to consider travel arrangements (as well as requesting leave from work!). Last night, upon returning home and logging onto this site I discovered we had drawn Newcastle in the Carling Cup. I feared the worst, not Newcastle away, surely? After last year's unprecedented cavalcade of midweek away games, thankfully not. A reprieve in the shape of a home tie. Of course, much of the talk has been of takeover, thanks to a disgustingly timed announcement from David Dein about his new company 'Red & White Holdings', seriously, could you be anymore fucking transparent than that pathetic attempt at sentimental drivel? Those of you with a keen sense of history will remember the Nazi party originally baptised themselves as 'The German Workers' Socialist Party.' I will write more about my thoughts on the takeover in the coming week, frankly it upsets me far too much to contemplate it now. Mainly, because I sense my association with this club is nearing it's final curtain, I simply do not want to think about the moral dilemma of handing over my season ticket money while a snake like Dein and his new oligarch bed pal have their duplicitous, blood soaked hands manning the tills.

Thankfully, the kick off put those thoughts to bed for a couple of hours, particularly as pleasantries were observed with the home crowd giving warm receptions for two of Arsenal's 'Invincibles' Kanu and Lauren. It was good to see Lauren in particular, as we were never really granted the opportunity to say farewell and thank him for his immense contribution to a period of enormous success for our football club. Arsenal decided to make with a break in tradition by starting quickly at home. On six minutes, Rosicky's defence splitting pass was hunted down by Robin van Persie, James naively rushed out when there was really no need, RVP outpaced him, knocking the ball past James and waiting for the impending contact. Surprisingly, van Persie shunned the resulting spot kick. I have never been fond of Arsenal's penchant for rotating penalty takers, on the one hand, if you don't feel confident, by all means do not take the kick. But penalties are predominantly psychological affairs, and I really think the assigned kick taker has to take to the pitch knowing that any penalty will be his responsibility. Anyways, Adebayor's spot kick was collected and consummate, sliding low to James's left. In truth, it was Adebayor's only decent contribution to the game, his touch and decision making from that point was well below par.

Arsenal smelled blood and settled into a groove. Some sublime football saw van Persie's low cross narrowly missed by Adebayor's leg, the Togolese striker clearly preoccupied by James's elongated limb when a ruthless desire would have presented him with an open goal. The home side continued to dominate with Fabregas chief orchestrator and Tomas Rosicky at the centre of Arsenal's every move, Pompey looked timid in comparison. The Reds' doubled their money with a piece of ingenuity derived straight from Arsenal's past. Rosicky's flighted corner was flicked on by Gilberto at the front post, Fabregas unwittingly controlled the ball on his chest, before a swift swivel and shot saw him scramble Arsenal into a two goal lead. Two nil at half time and the game looked over. However, Pompey made changes at half time, with Kranjcar and Mendes looking to add a more creative edge to Portsmouth. Their cause was aided enormously four minutes into the second period, a slide rule pass to an offside looking Kanu caused Senderos to drag our ex talisman to the ground, Halsey had no hesitation in sending him off. It was Senderos's third dismissal for a professional foul in ten months. I am keen to view the incident again, as firstly I felt Kanu looked offside (I may be proved wrong) and secondly I think Toure was making up good ground on Kanu, so he may have had another obstacle to negotiate threatening his path to goal. Nevertheless, the contact with Kanu was there, and if he was onside and Toure was too late, it was a red card.

Pompey nearly halfed the defecit straight away thanks in no small part to some amateurish goalkeeping from Almunia. His positioning was laughable as he hugged the near post, so when Utaka's free kick went straight down the middle of the goal, Almunia gave himself a lot of ground to make up. He made it up well, but his agility was compromised by his sense of amateur dramatics as he over elaborated and pushed the ball straight out in front of him, thankfully Toure was in no mood for Hollywood behaviour, thwarting Davis's close range rebound. Word of advice Manuel, you're a good goalkeeper, chances to be Arsenal's number 1 do not come along too often, you have this chance now, don't waste it by prizing your future career as an action movie stunt man over the virginity of your goal. Pompey rightly sensed this would be their best chance of a revival and went for the jugular. Gilberto slotted in at centre half, but Arsenal's back line, comprising of two midfielders, looked roughshod as Kanu was a constant source of danger. A goalmouth scramble caused by Utaka's jinking feet on the left was averted only by Gilberto's vigilance. Flamini performed admirably out of position, looking solid at the back whilst ably supporting the attack. Toure and Gilberto had moments of individual brilliance at the back, but lacked cohesion. My suspicions that Toure, great player that he is, is not a captain were confirmed further as Gilberto assumed the responsibility of cajoling the backline.

A Matthew Taylor shot whistled past the post as Pompey piled on the pressure. Despite lacking shape, with RVP sat in central midfield and Denilson replacing Hleb on the right flank, the Gunners' dug in for each other. Rosicky in particular seemed to play the game in perpetual motion, Fabregas covered every blade of grass and the Gunners' grabbed a wonderfully crafted third. Adebayor won a free kick on the left, with the Pompey defence in contemplative slumber, Cesc quickly nudged the ball to Rosicky. Little Mozart was bang in tune as he collected the ball, took one touch before positively leathering it low past David James. Everybody loves a winding run or a thirty yard volley, but this is the type of goal I really love, the type that is all brains, together with no small amount of brawn in the finish! In short, I could well have imagined Pires and Bergkamp combining to formulate something similar. Rosicky was very deserving of his goal and it meant two more goals from midfield. Unfortunately, Pompey were really intent on making it a game. The impressive Utaka jinked past Clichy before firing in a low cross, Kanu impishly backheeled the ball with his right leg into the net via a small deflection from his left instep. It was a trick we had seen him pull in an Arsenal shirt!

Glen Johnson's long range piledriver was smartly saved by Almunia, before a brilliant last ditch Kolo Toure tackle prevented David Nugent from grabbing his first Portsmouth goal. Arsenal had been fairly clinical to this point, but last season's profligacy would haunt them again. More fantastical piruohetting from the outstanding Rosicky played Clichy in down the left, the improvement on his delivery from wide positions was encapsulated with a pinpoint cross which Diaby somehow conspired to head wide from six yards, the goal braced in front of him with it's knickers around its ankles. An enthralling game was called to an end by a referee who had been more concerned about getting his ugly mug on camera than officiating the game with the laws of the game in mind. Distin's persistent shirt pulling was completely ignored, whilst Fabregas was booked for, for....well I don't know why in truth. What was equally frustrating was seeing a referee pull up Arsenal's time wasting. Don't get me wrong, this was only right and there was occasion when Arsenal ate time at set pieces. But after watching a good half a dozen teams commit far, far worse folly at the Grove in the past twelve months without anything approaching recompense, it was hard to swallow. In games against Everton and, infamously, Wigan last year, I personally saw three rolexes and a tag heure untie themseleves from a spectator's wrist and leap off of the top tier in acts of defiant kamikaze. Following Chris Kirkland's attempt to injure eternity, I have it on good authority that the iconic Clock End timepiece required three months of counselling.

It was another three points acquired through a mixture of guts and graft. Fabregas has already equalled his goalscoring tally from last season, and today was his first good performance of the season. Tomas Rosicky demonstrated what a top player he is with a display that perfectly combined attacking grace with determined defensive tenacity. I have often derided the quality (but never the effort) of Matty Flmaini but he was outstanding at right back today, both offensively and defensively. Gilberto dropped back into centre half and saved our overly exposed hynies on occasion. Once Arsenal had gone down to ten men, it was great to see them all really digging in for each other, and though we missed Gallas's organisational skills, and the front two misfired, Arsenal combined their trademark swift passing play with a real grit and desire to play for each other. Those that ridiculed the sale of Henry really missed the bigger picture in terms of team spirit and responsibility. The camaraderie looks ten times better than at any time since our unbeaten season, individuals are taking responsibility for each other, not just themselves. After the game I stopped for a few jars in the Tavern to watch Chelsea lose to a committed and organised Villa side. I'm not telling you we can win the league this year, but I think we might go close. Basically, through a mixture of selfless players, willing to work for each other, as well as the immeasurable individual quality we possess, there's no telling where this team can go. In short, you can stick your f*****g roubles up your arse. Sideways Mr. Dein, sideways.LD.

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Writer: Tim Stillman Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday September 2 2007

Time: 9:49PM

Your Comments

I was a bit suprised Sendo got sent off but having watched the replay it was a 50/50 decision however RVP going round the goalkeeper with the ball on his left side represents a goalscoring opportunity IMO and James never even got a yellow? Good performance from the boys full of good football and resoulte play, the future looks bright!
Looking forward to the North London Derby and finally put the nail into Martin Jol's coffin.
i shal have ot observe MOTD2 closely, though i shall be better served doing so with the volume down so as to save myself the infuritation of the biased punditry. All in all, from what i gathered on the radio, an excellent performance, and a well deserved victory. How nice to see the team turning these games into three points - so far so good, long may it continue. Let us just see how the season unfolds. We have made a solid start, and alrewady the press are now talking of us as dark horses for the title - i woudl prefer us to be ignored for a good time yet... »»Arsene Knows««
Decent performance from a decent team. It's just a start.
Emirates rocked today!Great crowd!If we keep this going until christmas,EVERYTHING can happen!
i dont think senderos could have done any different. he's coping a lot of stick for another red but a goal at that point in the game would have changed things. the team spirit is incredible you can taste it off the screen even in australia
great game from you guys, useless showing from us...but thats life. By the letter of the law, senderos should have been sent off for "denying an obvios goal scoring oportunity" - which is defined by the playor being a: in a good position to score and b: heading towards goal. The latter was the reason why jamo didnt even get a yellow...(im a little biased, but thats what my referees hand book says, so it must be true ;-) ) good luck on title chasing - i doubt you will make it this year, but your squad is good, and young, and if not this year, next year you will keep on getting better. GOOD LUCK (i only wish we had some...)
oh, and i didnt mention the irrelevans of whether of not toure was gaining ground - there could have been 3 defenders standing on the line, and it still would have been a red card ... no hard feelings or anything, you desercved to win by more.
nice to see an opposition fan talking some sense about the game, thanks Pompeycarpet! as soon as Kanu went down I knew it was a penalty, no question about it, he was the last man and Kanu had enough time to set himself before Toure would have been able to get back. Unfortunately its just one of those things for Senderos. When you lack pace as a Centre Back and have to rely on your positioning its very difficult for a young defender unless they are super special, to be able to have good positioning, but he will learn I'm sure of that
I meant it was a sending off rather than a penalty! should really read my own posts back to myself... lol!
Great write up LD, but just one thing, Kanu's shot was right shin, left leg, right amazing piece of skill.
*doesnt leave.
flamini today was so impressive. i realy hope he doesnt need. he is such a big asset to our squad even though he isnt in our first team. every team needs one of him.
Good result for Arsenal. Pleasing to watch some of the build up play, easily the best so far this season.
Oh yes, and wonderful headline writing (again), LD.
You can thank the Villa for putting Romans dayglow gren and white army back in their boxes later.
go gooners!
col8 - a couple of us have already popped over to vital villa to do just that :).
Good headline LD but what does that comment mean about asssociation with the club nearing its final curtain? Will you be leaving us all if this Russian monkey and Dein **** there way into the board room?
Ozi Gooner
Best team won today, Pompey were out-passed all round, Kanu couldn't score another like that if he tried!!
For me, three things stand out: 1. all our goals came from set pieces 2. our midfielders are scoring goals 3. We're in second, level on points!!!
Vital Chelsea is a sight for sore eyes today! Tough to find a positive comment on their forum but not tough at all to find several gloating vital Arsenal members...
4. We kept our heads up despite playing with 10 men (granted, we had the lead, but still it's a mental test for the youngsters). 5. Rosicky at long last seemed to be comfortable in the LM role. 6. It feels great scoring those ugly goals right in front of goal hehe. 7. Flamini, Gilberto, Rosicky and Denilson all played out of position and yet looked great, especially Flamini and GIlberto. 8. Cesc was having his first good game of the season, but he's matched his goal tally of last term already! 9. Spurs threw away their 3-1 lead. 10. Chelsea were nowhere at Villa Park, while a certain Cashley made mistakes that caused the 2 goals despite playing quite okay otherwise. HAHAHAHHAHAH :D
Kanu is a really talented player, his goal proves that, but we scored goals that really count, his was just a compensation.
Another piece of brilliant writing and headlining by LD. You never cease to amaze. Superlatives aside, Senderos was having a FANTASTIC game until he was red-carded. It was a split second and he had to think fast. He decided to take one for the team, which from this point of view is ok, but having in mind that Billy Gallas is out, Djourou on loan, we could have used him more now. Flam played excellent at RB although I though Hoyte was going to get the nod. Now that Sendo's out, and Bert dropping back to CB, Flam is bound to get back into MF (where Denilson and Diaby can also move in if needed) and the inevitable international break (*spits with rage*) scares me more than ever. To add to this Domenech named Gallas in his team. He really is an annoying pr1ck.
Having now seen the incident again, I think Toure was in a position of cover. BUT it took three viewings for me to come to that conclusion, the ref had a split second and I can see why he made that call, it wasn't terribly harsh and I can't really grumble that much. Ozi, I'll go into that in depth in the week, but having an oligarch whose name crops up in allegations of rape, heroin trafficking and extortion makes me very uncomfortable.
Little Dutch
LD, on that note, it does sound very scary how this Usmanov guy came to riches. I came across this link on A Cultured Left Foot and it's well worth a read (afraid it'd make you even more comfortable):
G4L, don't forget Diarra, who can play RB or midfield. Strength in depth, that is. just the CB position that's a worry at the moment especilally with the African Nations coming up...
G4L, don't forget Diarra, who can also play RB and MF. We have good strength in depth. Doesn't look good for Flam. Only problem could be CB, especially during the african cup of nations...
*Not Rosickys third goal, but you know what I mean ;-)
Dont know if I'm seeing it through red tinted glasses, maybe someone can set me straight, but I thought the Camaraderie and togetherness they showed was the best I've seen in a couple of seasons, especially after Rosickys 3rd goal, there seemed to be a real sense of team spirit between our players, it has been such a refreshing start to the season, bring on the spuds! Lets finish Jol off !
Another great report from the Dutch master. It wasnt until the game started that I also forgot about the Dein nightmare. I made the journey to the Grove with a cloud over my head about all the stories. All a bit gut-wrenching with Dein choosing the week before our club announces its yearly financial results to tell everyone we need his money... how cynical is he? He knows our accounts will be in excellent order so he has to time it before we announce them. He even said we may not need his cash for the next 2-3 years, but will do long-term. These are the destabilising actions of an egotist seeking any way to control the club. Arsene is telling (and showing us) we can build from within, but his 'friend' is telling us we need to build from the outside!
Is someone going to write up smth on Dein and Usmanov deal. Personally, I believe it is a deal with the devil and it stinks. Kroenke was a better option for Dein, and although he has proven in the past that he ahs the club's best interests in his heart, he is rapidly losing positives in my book. My support in this one goes to the board.
LD - you sound excessively pessimistic about Dein, do you really think it would be that bad? After all, he does genuinely love the club and has a desire to make us the best in the world. I'm not saying that being taken over is right but I think Dein does have a point that with all these other clubs spending vast sums of money, there's only so long we can rely on Wenger's genius of spotting talent. What happens on that very sad day when he finally stops being our manager? He's the only manager that can build teams the way he does.
I'm still buzzing after being at yesterdays game. Despite all the predictions of doom and gloom before the start of the season we've made a very good start. Still a long way to go, but the signs look good and I think Henry leaving has driven the team to try and prove a lot of people wrong! You wait it won't be long before the media is complaining that we score too many goals from midfield - they seem to miss the point that its goals that win games, not who scores them!
Gooner_Vin, Dein does not love this club, he loves himself and his bank balance. If he loved this club he wouldn't stage a hostile takeover now, he wouldn't have tried to move us to Wembley, he wouldn't have gone behind the backs of the board to sell the club. He is an utter snake and his involvement in this club makes me feel sick to my stomach. The current board have proved that we can be a huge club with sound financial planning based on being self sustaining. All these clubs with rich sugar daddies will be gone in ten years time. Even if I felt all this pie in the sky spending was going to stop us competing, I would rather we were relegated to non league than finance success off the back of a sickening character like Usmanov. This man is an oligarch whose name is associated with violence, thuggery, rape and heroin trafficking and I really don't think signing Kaka or lifting the F.A Cup really justifies that. I'm not against a takeover per se, if a good consortium, who can do a better job than the current board can come in, I'm all ears. What I don't want is for the club we all love to become a washing machine for dirty money, no amount of success is worth that. Besides, spend, spend, spend is all great in the short term, but in the medium to long term the board's startegy is sound. Look at Chelsea, their owner had a hissy fit and walked out after the second goal now, and every Chelsea fan has to wonder if their club is going to be there much longer so subordinate are they to his whims. If he has a strop and buggers off, they're finished. I don't want that here, I don't want success to be financed off the back of violence and intimidation and the economic woe of thousands and I do not want Dein anywhere near this club. If he brings that into our football club, he will have poisoned it beyond recognition, and I am not willing to give my money to people like that.
Little Dutch
Well said LD. I think the popular opinion here is that this deal stinks, and I for one, do not agree with Dein's methods. He might have the best interests of Arsenal at heart (if you believe all the spin in the media), but I am not convinced how a take-over would benefit the club. Even more so with Usmanov whose money is certainly tainted. I am looking forward to a more detailed write up from you on this matter. It says something about Dein that he was willing to deal with Kroenke, and a few months later with Usmanov, to get what he wants. This might actually result in Kroenke allying with the Board, which might not be a bad thing in the end.
Also, if Dein is in the midst of a great love affair with this club, what about the £75million he pocketed from selling the shares? How much of it has been ploughed back into the club? I'll tell you, the square root of ***** all.
Little Dutch
Gooner_Vin, I understand where you're coming from. But to bring in someone like Usmanov is really questionable. I agree with LD above, this guy's associated with all sorts of terrible crimes. If you have time/interest, please read the article from the link I provided above. It tells you what kind of billionaire Usmanov really is, from a trustworthy source.
LD - fair enough, I understand where you are coming from. But it is also worth noting that that Arsene Wenger is clearly a very intelligent guy and he regards David Dein as a friend and a man of class. I would have a lot of faith in Arsene's judge of character (even though of course I don't really know him at all!). PS - great pictures watching Abramovich leaving the stadium, we should somehow found a way of getting a youtube of that bit and sticking it on Vital Chavski!
to the tune of yellow submarine "we cost less than two darrent bents, two darrent bents, two darrent bents!!"
good one cescfab4! :D
Or "We cost less than one Shevchenko, one Shevchenko, one Shevchenko!" Ha hahahaha
works well with "rio ferdinand" too
ok LD, i hav great respect for your opinion, but i do feel that if not for wenger's amazimg eye for talent we'd be nowhere so i do believe that wee need money.....and well i personally feel...that the money withall billionaires is tainted........i mean u dont bcome a billionaire with out bendin a few rules..........i think its wrong of us to accuse dein like that..afterall he i think after wenger has been the most instrumental to our success..........
Karley, come on, it's not about bending a few rules. This Usmanov guy is associated with all sorts of crime, you name it. Please, please, read this piece from a trusted source to see for yourself before we say whether it's worth it to bring such a person in to our board. Sigh:
We probably need some more money to stay competitive or even get to the top of Europe. Fair enough. But let's (1) wait for the financial results to come out in Sep, and (2) think hard about Dein's plans, before we even start to comment on whether a takeover is the right thing for us. You can see even Chelsea and ManU don't seem as strong as we would've thought. How can we tell if the sugar daddy-type cash injection is the right way to go, versus the old-fashioned way (gate revenues, sponsorships, etc.) which is just starting to bear fruit now that we've got the great stadium and the sale of Highbury flats to come?
LD I know David Dein and i can assure you he has Arsenals best intrest at heart! H e bleeds red and white!!! We were great yesterday but with David dein back at our club with as you put it his Roubles we will become the biggest club in world football. Chelski! Man utd and Liverpool have all sold out in there own ways! But they didnt have the man that brought Arsenal out of the dark ages in 83 to do it for them!!
Dein did a great deal for us in the past, but he's bringing poison to our table and there's no excuse for that. His pathetic attempt at claiming credit for AW's imminent contract renewal was so transparent. I'm not interested in roubles that are achieved that way, I don't care about competing etc, it's not worth it versus human life, no way. If DD has our best interests at heart, why stage a hostile takeover the day, no, the exact minute of our CL draw? Why did he try and sell the club behind the board's backs? Usmanov will give us success for five years or so, then he'll want a return, and we'll join the Citeh's, United's, West Ham's and Chelski's on the scrap heap. We are just about to reach the most economically prosperous period in our history with the sale of the highbury flats, as Louisa points out, and with the stadium really starting to ***** gold. Dein tried to move us to Wembley, which would have been an absolute disaster, and this is about as childish an action as I've ever seen in modern football. I deplore the way Chelski, United, Liverpool, Fulham, City etc have sold out to crooks, arms dealers and crushers of the third world, I won't bend over and empty my wallet and watch this club do it. An extreme analogy would be would any of us here join in a gang rape on the premise that, "well, I didn't start it and everyone else is doing it." Of course not, because we're good people. Dein and Usmanov are not.
Little Dutch
And also, where is this £75m Dein has just acquired? One place I can tell you it isn't, it's not in Arsenal's coffers.
Little Dutch
I think Flam had a really good day out and has made a case for more games, if only he would be open to play as cover for the fulllbacks. His performance reminded me of the CL final run. As for Senderos, I also have to agree with G4L thet he played a blinder until his sending off. I do not think Kolo would have gotten to him before he had a crack at goal. If he had scored, we probably would have drawn or lost this one, methinks.
If Arsenal need more money in the future, then fine. But while we've got Wenger and we're still enjoying success, what's the ******** rush? At the bare minimum we'll have a little under four years of Wenger doing this thing, guiding a young, hungry, talented squad on peanuts while other clubs with oveinflated player expenses flounder. That goes beyond the fact that Wenger does have decent money to spend, and simply chooses not to touch it.
On a related note, this quote from one of the websites yesterday made me howl with laughter - "The team that Arsene Wenger fielded yesterday cost a mere £35 million, no more than Sunderland have spent in readiness for life in the top flight." - Puts everything into perspective.
Shinobi, yeah hence cescfab4's song - see above. :D
I agree with LD. Just WHY do you think all of a sudden so many billionaires are interested in buying Arsenal? That's precisely because "we are just about to reach the most economically prosperous period in our history." They're no idiots or sugar daddies like Abramovich who sees Arsenal as a plaything (which he can dump anytime). They're in for the money, silly! Do you want these filthy people come in to get their share of profits or you want to let the board/manager do their thing and prosper the old-fashioned way? We're not the shallow fans of other clubs who want immediate success without worrying about the consequences of taking that money. We THINK.
Hey here's a good article about Dein's plans/motives, worth a read too:
Hi, further to The Times piece above, I've just come across another article about Dein and the potential takeover which is quite sensible as well:
ok...maybe usmanov is not all that honourable......but i also seriously believe DD has only good knowledge is limited but i do not remeber reading newhere that he tried a hostile take over before the cl......i think dein is so desperate gettin back to the club i think he has taken a hasty step .....i really dunno .i read somewhere that a few arsenal fans are holding a meeting with of u guys goin
not all that honourable? kinda mild way to describe that thug, karley :). Did you read everything in that link fully?
Karley, that meeting with Usmanov has been requested by Arsenal Supporters Trust, who represent individual Arsenal shareholders, not "ordinary" fans like us. There's actually one piece on Arseblog that explains it clearly: Like prits asked, I wonder if you read what's in the links. I know I was giving tons of info there but it's worth your while, really. I'd be much better if we have a clear picture of who that Usmanov guy is, rather than keeping ourselves in the dark. If you did read, you wouldn't even be asking.
Thought we, Pompey, were Bollox.
i cant understand all this talk about injecting cash to be competitive. AW has stated numerous times that the reason he has not added "rated" players is because he truly believes the youngster he already has is able and ready to do the job, he never once said that it was because he didnt have the cash (which i know rafa has said on more than one occasion). so why spend all these years developing youngsters only to finally resort to "rated" players, are we developing them only to sell them to other clubs??? that would be silly. no i think some of our supporters want to jump onto the bandwagon of glamourous cash spending and buying "big" names. but the fact is the success we have enjoyed in the last 10 years is due to the football acumen of our manager and sound financial performance of our board. now as we are about to be highly profitable, we should change everything and let questionable individuals to buy us all out? i dont think so. i for one am not favourable of a takeover.
I'm fine with a takeover if it isn't hostile, they have Arsenal's best interests at heart, and their money isn't dirty. I don't see where this Russian dude passes any of those marks.

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