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Daddy-Bayor (Part Two)

The second half began at a frantic pace, with Arsenal searching for an equlaiser, and Tottenham bucking a trend and looking for a second. Abou 'Demolition' Diaby, playing on the left, was surrendered early in the second half for Tomas Rosicky. Diaby had a bit of a shocker out on the left, surprisingly finding hiself second best to Malbranque and Chimbonda. When Wenger replaces you before the 75th minute and you're not injured, you know you've had a shocker. Tottenham had a glorious chance to put the game beyond Arsenal. Another ball over the top saw Berbatov spring the offside trap and round Almunia, but with an open goal gaping, Kolo Toure outfoxed the Bulgarian with an uncomprimising challenge. It was a contribution as sizeable as Fabregas's rangefinder, or Adebayor's wonder strike. I have openly questioned the value of Toure as a skipper, but I must say that yesterday the armband looked good on him. He was a domineering and commanding presence all day long, cajoling his team and charging out of defence at every possible opportunity. I must also publically swallow a large slab of humble pie with regards to the performance of Mathieu Flamini in midfield. His work rate would not be questioned by anybody with a degree of sanity, but his quality I have doubted quite vocally. He was my man of the match yesterday, unfortunately none of the highlight reels will do his performance justice, and whilst we drool over the quality of Adebayor's volley, it is worth paying tribute to Flamini's kinetic display, breaking up Spurs attacks and thundering into tackles all day long in what I like to call, 'the admin role' in midfield. Keep it up lads, I'm quite happy to eat my words, because this morning they taste like onion bhajis soaked in madrass sauce!

Minutes after Berbatov's profligacy, Adebayor went one better. Sagna bombed down the right flank, marauding to the touchline, before pulling back for the waiting Adebayor, the Togolese striker ballooned it over the bar from close range. Chimbonda would perform a passable Sagna impression, charging down the right and clipping in a precise cross which Huddlestone ran onto but screwed his volley wide. It would prove costly, Flamini was tripped by Huddlestone and Arsenal attempted a quick free kick which ultimately came to nothing. But an idiotic Spurs fan attempted to invade the pitch, causing the kick to be retaken. Fabregas clipped in beautifully and Adebayor atoned for his earlier sitter by rising above Bale and Fat Boy to head home the equaliser. Cue pandemonium in the away end, the riotous celebrations cauing Greg's brand new Blackberry to tumble downwards a few rows, at the mercy of the trampling feet of baying Gooners.

Tottenham could have reassumed the lead very quickly, Flamini unwittingly played in Robbie Keane, the referee over ruled the linesman's incorrect flag, but Almunia came out quickly to smother Keane one on one. The Spurs defence made the mistake of allowing Adebayor two volleys before finding his range, they would also permit Cesc Fabregas a twenty five yard rangefinder which would fly narrowly wide. The chances continued to rain down when Berbatov side footed a Malbranque corner goalwards, only for Gael Clichy's great body popping impression to keep it out with his shoulder. Berbatov headed the rebound over from close range. The Spuds faithful were rejoicing in premature celebration, much to the mocking delight of the away fans at the other end of the ground. Then with ten minutes remaining, the muted van Persie set Arsenal away on a counter attack, finding Rosicky on the left. Fabregas ate up the ground from his defensive position to join in, collecting Rosicky's pass before blasting home a scorcher from twenty five yards. Fabregas's delight was plain for all to see and believe me when I say we reciprocated fully in the South Stand! With Greg's Blackberry secure, it was another one of those stranger hugging, lung busting moments.

Spurs responded by bringing on Darren 'I cost as much as Henry' Bent, who would soon learn a valuable lesson in humility. If you're going to spout off in the press in the build up to a North London derby, it's best not to miss an absolute sitter. Another Spurs long ball split the defence in half, leaving Bent all on his own in the penalty area with only Almunia to beat. Hilariously, he justified his enormous price tag by producing a finish reminiscent of Bambi on crack. I might have risen to my feet to chide our poor defending had I not been laughing so heartily. Arsenal fans hardly needed another reason to mock the brow beaten Spuddies, 'it's so quiet, it's so quiet, it's so quiet, at the Lane' and 'you're getting sacked in the morning' rang out gleefully from the away enclosures upper and lower.

With Tottenham searching in vain for an equaliser, Arsenal once again used the counter attack to carve open their lesser rivals. Rosicky finding a lonely Denilson on the right, but Robinson used his ample carriage to block the Brazilian's shot. Fabregas collected the rebound, whizzed it in to Adebayor, who took one touch to flick the ball up, before delivering an emphatic volley on the turn which whistled into the top corner from twenty five yards. Ade took a bow after an incongruous display. About 90% of his passes drifted astray, he missed an absolute sitter, but then produced a moment of absolute genius. The already threadbare home support drifted towards the exit as the Arsenal fans serenaded their troops with a chorus of 'we are top of the league, I say we are top of the league.' As we prepared to head for the exits to run the gauntlet back to Northumberland Park. Remarkably, I did not see any trouble whatsoever, with the police doing a decent job. Though it's worth mentioning that Spurs fans at that point were rather thin on the ground, I would wager most of them were a good chunk into their journey home. Nevertheless, it was very difficult to conceal my smirk and temper my swagger. Sat on the train back to Tottenham Hale I had to dilute a look of utter delight on my face, so I began the process of searching out every Arsenal and Spurs fan in my phonebook!

It was a strange match in that nobody seemed to have an average game. Everybody on both sides towed the line between the brilliant and the abject. On our side, both fullbacks were remarkable as was Toure, Flamini was awesome, whilst Gilberto, Diaby, Hleb, Adebayor and van Persie put in indifferent displays. For Spurs Berbatov agve us trouble all day, Dawson looked solid and Chimbonda bombed forward with impunity. For my money, Tom Huddlestone gave Fabregas a real test, imposing himself on the midfield to the point that Cesc was quite muted. Yet he finished the game with a goal and two assists, it's a nack Cesc is picking up very nicely at the moment and one I've spoken about before, about controlling the key moments of the game. Jermaine Jenas's performance was wonderfully summed up by Daryll on the way home, 'what's happened to Jenas, is he injured?' To which I laughingly replied, 'no, he played the whole ninety minutes!' Going top of the league by beating Tottenham at the Lane, does it get better than that? Well, possibly winning the league there but that's just pie in the sky isn't it?LD.




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Writer: Tim Stillman Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday September 16 2007

Time: 12:45PM

Your Comments

Oh, I forgot to mention. At half time Spura announced that there is to be a premiere of a film about their 125 year history in the 02 Arena later this month. ONLY £15 (about a quid a minute surely?) and PLENTY of tickets still available. HA HA HA!
Little Dutch
great article! fabregas played a wonderous game, setting up 2 and scoring 1. whose huddlestone?
korodon
lol ! nice one LD, been looking forward to the report and wasnt disapointed! had me smirking all the way through!
TR7
lol.. wish i'd been there.. and here at my university hostel.. spuds fans were given the centrestage as one and everybody.. not just gooners.. made a mockery of them they so well deserved.. top of the table.. wonder strikes.. spuds defeated at their home.. pool and chelsea drop points.. a great weekend for all gooners i'd say..
go4it_adi
Bloody delighted I have fabregas as my captain in the fantasy league, bagged me points galore yesterday!
TR7
TR7, he's in mine too! I hadn't even thought about that.
Little Dutch
Good report. Standing in the ground watching the spuds streaming out in ignominy before the end must have been worth the ticket on its own. In the second half the Spuds attempted to avoid the mistake of earlier games in trying to hold onto their lead which looked pretty fragile through all of the first half. It made for an open game in the second half with plenty of action but in the end whatever tactic they employ we are simply better than them. Whatever tests they set us we passed individually and collectively. Even the more muted performers on our side got through a lot of productive work.
Amos.
Yayyyyy!! Great reporting LD... I have been grinning vacantly for nigh on 24 hours now! Dead happy to hear your plaudits for Flamini. Teams need players like him not world-beaters in their own right, but galvanise the spirit of the team. This is the guy we nearly lost a few months ago, but there is surely an argument that over our first 5 games he has been one of, if not the best player in our colours.
Andy-bayor
Anyone notice the pathos in the titles of the last three front page articles on Vital Spurs? The sequence goes "Nothing better than beating Arsenal" then "How to beat Arsenal" followed by the inevitable "Defeat to Arsenal". Quite poignant really.
Amos.
Glad to ear Greg's blackberry is fine :-)
FabTastic
I was once of the joyus Gooners to recieve a text from Tim, I can honestly say I haven't beamed this much since we picked up our second league Title at the Drain. What a cracking weekend.
Rocky7
Amos, you'll be happy to ehar the sequence is continuing nicely on vital spuds, "Arsenal excuses, same old excuses." Rocky, shortly after I sent that message I had to go and lock myself in the khazi so I could let out a little smile and punch the air a few times. Best fun I've ever had in a train bog.....ahem.
Little Dutch
I bet the Spurs fans have more fun in a train bog just going for a dump than they do at the lane!!
Rocky7
beware - one result does not a season make :-)
merlin
does anyone know why dudu wasnt even on the bench yesterday ?
TR7
I can imagine that you spend most of your socialising in train bogs as well as train station bogs
Gromit
Unfortunately, I already made that joke gromit, but feel free to continue leeching off of my leftover charisma, like a stray dog poring through a wheely bin.
Little Dutch
Anyone who sneers at the history of any team whoever they are, is not a true fan of football, but a dull and boring individual who merely supports a currently successful side in the hope of appearing important and popular. You should take note of the intelligent and thoughtful comments recently made on the Spurs page by one of your fans, though I imagine intelligent and thoughtful are words not often found in any description of you. Your long winded articles requiring 2 pages are testimony to the sort of ignorant follower of football you are.
Gromit
Based on your tiresome articles you have less charisma than the contents of the train bogs prior to flushing. Bad luck old boy.
Gromit
Sorcer of milk table two! Yeah, I sneered at Tottenham's history because it is paltry at best. If your support is constantly going to try and compare itself to us, prepare yourself to be shot down. I've been to more football games than you've had hot dinners my friend. If you took the time to read what I've written I give an honest appraisal of Tottenham's players based on what I saw. If you can't take the banter, I suggest you keep your head well below the parapet. Weren't you chastising me for appearing on the Spuds page earlier today? Tut tut. Put the dummy back in young man and good luck in avoiding relegation.
Little Dutch
Exactly how many Spurs games do you think I have been to? As a season ticket holder of 15 years you should reconsider that. Maybe you should look up the definition of 'History' but you seem so in love with yourself that would be too much trouble. I wasn't complaining about your assessment of the game ... but do you need to do it in such a dull and boring way? I've read some of your previous game reports and thought you could make this one more interesting .... but no, it is so boring .. and I mean style not content. If you were a journalist your paper would be out of business within the month. No wonder we have so many Gooners on our page ... totally destroying a fine victory with a mind numbingly presented assessment would drive even the most tolerant and euphorius supporter elsewhere - and only an imbecile talks about relegation or championships after 6 games.
Gromit
So what kind of fan talks about breaking into the top four before a ball is kicked? I was mocking the fact that any glory in Tottenham's history is entrenched firmly in the past. A quite innocent and accurate assessment really. What you think of my writing style is of no significance to me, I say this to you and anyone else, love it or leave it. I'm not making you read it, don't click the link, simple. Do you not think that criticising me for turning up on the Spuds page an hour or so before commenting here is a little hypocritical?
Little Dutch
Great reading as usual, LD. It was a great match, and kudos to all our players for their work. I'm not a big Flamini fan, and I can honestly say I probably never will be, but he was great yesterday and I must give credit where credit is due. I'm extremely delighted by Cesc this season. He's already scored more goals than last season alone, and I can't see him stopping anytime soon! Too soon of a prediction, but I believe he might just win that bet!!!
ducksworth
For the seventeenth time in a row, Spurs failed to beat neighbours Arsenal. Gareth Bale gave Tottenham the lead after 15 minutes with a clever free-kick, while Berbatov wasted a chance to double the lead. Even Arsenal were trying to help Tottenham gain the result with Adebayor failing to beat Robinson with two great chances. Abou Diaby went on to hit the bar before Adebayor picked up the equaliser just after the hour. Then goals from Fabregas and another from Adebayor rounded off a 3-1 defeat. Will this defeat kick start the next round of the media against Martin Jol? Jol told Setanta after the game: 'I can only listen to what Daniel Levy is telling me, Provided we play good football and get the results, there is no problem. 'If you don't get the results, you have to analyse what is going wrong.'
iceman10
Above is the match report vital Sp*rs posted in regards yesterdays game. I mean thats brilliant Journalism isnt it Gromit?
iceman10
Nope ... it was merely to find out why we had so many Gooners on our page and to see if you were bothering to write on your own. After reading your articles, the reason became immediately apparent. What sort of fan? An optimistic fan. And every fan has a right to be optimistic. And your 'mocking' made no reference to recent history but to the entire 125years - which any real fan of football who know is as rich as many clubs in this country. But all dynastys come to an end or go through periods of up and down.
Gromit
You're right Gromit, and I'm very optimistic about the Spuds ******** up as usual. Recent history is a littlethin on the ground, and your whole history pales well into insignificance compared to ours. Like I say, if your fans insist on being their benchmark, you can't be surprised when we gleefully point out how wrong you've got it. It's a rivalry, it's the essence of football, mockery is a part of it. Lighten up. I do love it when people trot out these statements that follow, "well because you don't agree with me you're not objective" or "if you don't agree with me you're not a fan of football." It's a petty and transparent attempt at a wind up not at all based on football but on cheap personal point scoring. In the words of the great Bill Hicks, "your denial is beneath you, but it's o.k, because I can see through you."
Little Dutch
To be fair the title has been won at WHL fairly recently LD - in 2004 and before that in 1971. It was us that won it there of course but I am sure, in the interests of historical accuracy, you will find both occassions will be well covered in their movie.
Amos.
Oh I agree ... moving around, bribing the authorities to get promoted, managers taking back handers, dodgy deals with continental farm teams .. soon to be owned by another dodgy Russian of dubious wealth .... our history is nowhere near as stellar as yours.
Gromit
We are missing a chapter on managers cruising in Kings Cross and recent full backs being arrested for suspicious dealings but our chapter on managers taking back handers might include evidence from Terry (Cloughie likes a bung) Venables.
Amos.
What about the part in Sp*rs history when they had a kerb crawler for a manager? Oh and Ledley King scored the fastest ever premiership goal, Supergoals.
iceman10
Haha Gromit, i could live under that chip on your shoulder.
AFC85Lew
Good report LD. Couple of things. I have watched the game 3 times now and disagree with you on Hleb. I think we are seeing a different player this year. He is not the strongest bu**er on the team but his work rate and movement are excellent. When he gave the ball away to Huddleston, Spurs best player on the day, he chased it all the way back. That would not have happened last year. For me, Diaby was disappointing and I wonder when we will see Diarra. Alumunia does not give me confidence. I think he should have saved Bales free kick, Jens would have. Also I would the Flamster on the end of walls, not Hleb. Hleb did not duck but he did not stand tall. Sagna is outstanding, his tackle on Huddlestone which earned him a yellow was a little of dont mess with us. I like that, we wont be kicked. In all honesty, Spurs had their moments, Berbatov is a fantastic player but our boys look united. Clichy is just soaring at the moment, man he is quick and committed. Cesc is just Cesc, we expect so much now. Ade frustrates me as I feel he could do so much more. RVP was really quite. Tomas looked good when he came on. I hope Dudu plays on Wednesday instead of RVP. Try Ade and him up front. Bring Sevilla on. We will really see how good we are then.
themadafrican
lol, "bambi on crack"! Due to the new premiership television deals I could not see the game, can't wait for Sevilla. I hope we've got another group of "invincibles" or something like that coming through...
afri-gooner
you guys shouldnt get on adebayors back to much i can see him being a drogba in the making and u lot def need a player like that
MrDax
Onion bhajjis in madras sauce. Mmmmm.
prits
Excellent write up LD. Died laughing watching Bent air kick the ball in the one on one, and laughed harder the 'bambi on crack' description.
prits
Wenger says the only way he can describe them is "playerish"! Maybe they aren't the "invincibles", they're the "players"...
afri-gooner
No matter what bitter Spurs fans say, LD's match reports are the finest on the Vital Network, which is the reason he was installed in the first place. It matters not what anyone else thinks as long as the ARSENAL FANS enjoy them Tim will continue to produce fantastic pieces such as this. What the Spuddies fail to realise is that everything the suffer at the hands of Gooners is brought on entirely by themselves. Phrases such as "We'll spank the goons at the lane" "You haven't got a prayer of finishing in the top four, you are in decline and we are on the up" mean when you ultimately fail you will get your comments stuffed down your throat. I love how we get called "Classless" every year for dishing it back when we beat you, after hearing you harp on for 8 months prior to the game. If you can't stand the heat buddy.........enjoy the relegation battle. I'd keep an eye on it, but we're so high up it's hard to see you all the way down there.
Rocky7
great article, very funny, to go with a great win....3 point lane strikes again........
ernshaw
Gromit chill out... You might find LD's writing boring, but is that all you have to say here after a tragic weekend for your club? As Rocky said, have you witnessed (or maybe even taken part) in some of the hysterical aggression your fans chuck our way? Have you not noticed that while some of your brethren's banter is good-natured, and good part of it is down right nasty and threatening. We aren't making it up - you guys are reviled by more clubs than us, and that speaks for itself. Maybe it's being on a decades-long slumber that makes you all appear so bitter, but you wont fix that by having a go at us. I fully support most attempts (especially the humorous ones) to rub your noses in it, because let's be fair - you are begging for it every single bloody time! Apart from that I give credit to some of the discussion you sometimes have on Vital Spuds (front page, not forum)- where you have some excellent contributors... funny enough, they tend to always be the last ones to spew bile.
Andy-bayor
fair play to you andy, that says it all mate
TR7
Grommit, how you can have the front to come on here and bash Tim's writing is amazing. I'd say he's the best writer on the network (maybe second best, but only to me ;-) ). If you find his writing boring, then I dread to think what your thoughts are on the writing of every other journalist on the network. Still, it doesn't really suprise me that you cannot appreciate it. Still, that's your loss, not mine, Tim's or Vital Arsenal's.
simmy8_2000
Simmy8-2000, you appear to confuse excessive long windedness with top writing. Granted on this report he actually didn't take too long to the point ... but does anyone really care how difficult his journey was to the game, how long it took him to clean his teeth etc ... by the time you finish the article you'll have forgotten what comment you were due to make ..... I do however except that because so very few of your readers are actually based in England and so very few might get to watch the game you amusingly describe themselves as lifelong gooners - for the last 5 months anyway - they may require a blow by blow account
Gromit
And of course there are still a number of imbeciles who immediately spout on about relegation - interesting last season we had 4 points after 6 games ... I wasn't aware we finished in the bottom half of the table.
Gromit
as I believe Spurs Vital Football have more contributors than any other page Andy-bayor it is hardly surprising that we have more people who may step over the line - at least we have contributors .. if you go on to most other pages you hardly ever see more than double figures - Chelsea seem to have to malicously bait other fans to get anyone to visit them ... but hey, better than having the most despised club in the country - like the majority of football fans in the country I will be praying for Arsenal to be defeated in the CL and will be supporting the English clubs instead
Gromit
Well I guess it will be fun for you to support someone in the champions league seen as the mighty Sp*rs will never be in it.
iceman10
Gromit, if you're interested in soundbite culture and quickly formed and disposable opinions, buy yourself a copy of the sun, or watch match of the day. I construct my reports this way for a reason, because you can read what happened in the game in any old rag. My objective is to give a fan's perspective of the game, journey, songs, anecdotes included. If you don't like that, fair enough, like I said, I'm not making you or anyone else read it. I just find it quite amazing that you find me so incredibly dull and uninteresting that you keep venturing over here, and that you mentioned me by name in your front page contribution. And yes, I am mindful of the overseas contingent on here who do not get to watch the amount of games I do, I'm not so in love with myself that I can't appreciate my own good fortune. Arsenal is a brotherhood to which all are welcome, English, Irish, Kenyan or planet mars, I couldn't care less. I'm proud that so many people from far and wide want to support a team like ours, it's just yet another thing we have over Tottenham Hotspur, who are perenially stuck in the past in more ways than one.
Little Dutch
Couldn't have said it better myself iceman, do we care if you, or anyone afiliated with any club other than Arsenal wants us to win the CL? Err, no. When Spuds are playing Fumagasta (sounds like a gastric condition) will I be praying for you to lose? Not particularly, I'll in all likelihood be doing something else entirely while you're playing.
Little Dutch
Gromit, Just because the attention span of some Spuds doesn't extend beyond a couple of sentences, usually requiring an acronym, it doesn't mean that others aren't able to enjoy and digest longer written pieces. If it gets too hard for you then you can always revert to the Sun. As for most despised club I would bet that Arsenal are the team of choice for neutrals simply interested in the quality of football - not that it matters as there are plenty of die-hard gooners, many of us going back long beyond your time as a spud.
Amos.
... Amos - I doubt it - and most English fans don't support Arsenal no matter what you think - amusing Little Dutch how easy you find it to insult another country's cutlture and language despite the high and mighty position you try to adopt - its FAMAGUSTA you fool and if you'd bothered to have an education you would realize its one of the oldest ports still in existence in the Eastern Mediterranean. However, as it's not Ayia Napa, the culture and history would be wasted on you. Of course you probably have contempt for those fans of football who'd rather passionately support their local side, no matter how small their achievements, in favour of those who greatest act in support of their 'favourite team' is to reach for the TV having gone outside to adjust the satelite dish
Gromit
Gromit, you know so little about me it is really quite pitiful. I'll allow the people who read my stuff regularly to revel in the irony of your last comment. If you really are so dismissive of people who can't get to watch their team, can I ask why you spend time on the Spuds page talking to the likes of OssieYid, SidneyYid, YidinChina, or Armchair Yid, or OxfordSpur? Fortunately, supporting a team who regularly contest Europe's premier competition, I have been afforded ample opportunity to sample dozens of Euope's finest cities (though I've never been to Ayia Napa, been to Magalluf though, was quite a laugh as it goes, I'm thankful I wasn't too pretentious to go). I won't bore you with the details of my education because this is a football site, not friends reunited, but again, I will let contributors of this site who know a little about me to revel in the irony of that too. Since this site is called Vital FOOTBALL, I will simply point out that we are top of the league. Spurts are a long way down.
Little Dutch
Since when has Oxford been more than 40miles up the M40? The bottom line is the vast majority of Spurs fans here are local so don't need dull match analysis having actually pitched up themselves. Anybody can decide to support a team that is being successful ... its an easy cop out ... genuine fans support local teams .. I bet you started supporting Arsenal 'cos everyone at school did and you had some inner craving to be popular.
Gromit
Having grown up just around the corner from woolwich, Arsenal was a natural choice. Plus, my whole family is a split between Arsenal and Spurs, so it wasn't a hard choice at all. You can continue with the cheap jibes all you want, but I haven't missed a game since January 2002, that pretty much puts my support beyond question. On one hand you say Arsenal are reviled throughout the country, yet you put my support for Arsenal down to a craving to be popular? Genuine fans love their clubs, end of. I've known many a Gooner from North London who wouldn't go to games, a good friend of mine is a Spud from Bounds Green but has yet to visit WHL. Wheareas I took a trip to Liverpool last season on a Tuesday night five days before xmas for a game that was ultimately called off and still went to the rematch. But according to your logic, that counts for nothing because I don't live on Avenell Road? The editor of this site attends home matches from Yorkshire, but of course that doesn't count for anything either. I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve by trying to make blanket assumptions about people you don't know and have never met, but you look pretty desperate to me. A bit like Robbo's attempt to catch Cesc's free kick.
Little Dutch
Oh and re: oxfordspur, why the shift of goalposts? A minute ago, you had to support your local team or else your opinion/ devotion didn't count, but apparently your stipulation has now changed? However far up the M40 it is, he doesn't support Oxford United or Reading does he?
Little Dutch
Of course growning up round the corner from Woolwich, you should've been a Charlton fan - typical, wanting to support a big team. Pre-Wenger, I guess Arsenal were respected by a lot of fans - I certainly remember it being a split between Liverpool, ManU and Arsenal even back in my day - though far less Arsenal but post your infamous back four, the path your club has gone down has alienated vast tracts of Premiership fans. Yes you play attractive football but so do Barcelona and Brazil, and when Barca play Chelsea or Liverpool or ManU I support the English team. At least Chelsea's manager throws his toys out of pram with humour. Last seasons nauseating conspiracy theories and the inability to take defeat with anything remotely approaching good sportsmanship preceded the final draining away of any begrudging respect. Those who stick their hands in their pockets have a right to occasionally crow, and if intelligently done it can be amusing but those who cannot be arsed (on all sides) should keep their mouths shut.
Gromit
What is it about you that always attracts stalkers Dutch? lol or is it the same one again? Arise Sir Harry of Kernow c'mon it's bound to be you, continuing your worryingly unhealthy obsession, get help lad eh? guaranteed it'll be money better spent than another spurts season ticket.
nikolaijns
at least he's in his own country!!
Gromit
I shouldn't have been anything, I chose the side of my late father, my grandfather, two of my sisters and ultimately, the club I fell in love with. Arsenal weren't even approaching the heights we are at now when I started supporting them. Why do you even care who wins between Barca and Chelsea? What has it got to do with Tottenham? Surely you should be a neutral wanting to see a good game of football. What path is it that we have followed that has alienated so many? The path of sticking rigidly to the principles of entertaining, attacking football? Oh, I get it, you're talking about the foreign thing. Well, that's very clever, I take it back, you are obviously the uber football fan, prizing blood line and nationality over the quality of the game you profess to love. Can I assume that Gareth Bale's goal on Saturday left you feeling alienated and despondent because it was scored by a Welshman? Since I have demonstrated that I indeed stick my hands in my pockets, allow me to crow further, "1-0 and you *****ed it up, 1-0 and you *****ed it up!" Here's one I found very amusing, "IT'S SO QUIET, IT'S SO QUIET, IT'S SO QUIET AT THE LANE." Save your amateur character assassinations for your Minder re runs, this is a football site, and as a dedicated supporter of the side that beat your side, I would kindly ask you if you too laughed yourself to bits when Tottenham got the *****s?
Little Dutch
"at least he's in his own country!!" You say that after accusing me of being uncultured and uneducated. You call me dull and uninteresting yet have now commented 13 times on my article and you labelled me classless for crossing over to Vital Spuds yet, well, you've posted here 13 times? Leave out the jingoism and the persecution complex and let's keep it to what this site is intended for, football.
Little Dutch
No idea what it is Niko, I'm just glad we don't have to go to WHL again this year, I might be looking at another Mark Chapman situation here.
Little Dutch
at least he's in his own country!! Gromit if that was aimed at me you stereotypically xenophobic little spud inadequate I was born and bred on this superiority-complex ridden little rock so jog the feck on numbnuts, Wallace is calling... no wait he's singing bless his plasticene socks! I can hear him now "1-0 and you fecked it up 1-0 and you fecked it up 1-0 and you fecked it up same points as Deby looooooooooollll
nikolaijns
Pity Chapman did'nt have Barren Dents' marksmanship LD.
nikolaijns
or even Derby ;)
nikolaijns
I hear that Chapman was obsessed with Catcher in the Rye. I say Gromit, you've never read Salinger have you? Looked like Darren's leg was a bit Bent when he hit that shot. To think they could have had Henry for that £16mill. He'd have stuck it away.
Little Dutch
Well theoretically they could've had Henry, but we all know there was no way he'd have gone to that den of eternal loserdom.
nikolaijns
I wouldn't dismiss the idea out of hand, he seemed to really enjoy celebrating goals with Spurs fans!
Little Dutch
I labelled you classless for the pathetic comments you made, attempting to bait opposition fans yet probably after the next time you're at WHL squealing about how you have been lucky to escape so called Spurs hooligans. I am interested in watching a good game of football and every game in which Arsenal lose, the two amount to the same, especially if up North where Wenger can squeal about how sad it is that football has become a contact sport. For me a fan not supporting a team in his own country is undermining his own domestic league. How do we expect teams and leagues in Africa to thrive and succeed for example if those fans don't support them? Where will their money come from as they don't have access to ridiculous TV deals creating greedy selfish players living in Ivory towers. The sooner the game gets a salary cap the better. Its sad for world football that great teams in South America have merely become factories where their youth are stolen so a lot of local fans who want to support their local teams loose talented players every other month. It will lead to Football becoming like the NFL, with a few elite teams playing a boring sport due the regularity they meet each other with the game beneath it having been destroyed. I however personally have no objection who PLAYS for Spurs. You regularly appear on the Spurs board ... to date you have posted one intelligent comment, which stood out like a sore thumb for that very reason ... if you don't like people coming on your page and not talking about football .. then do likewise on our page
Gromit
not talking about football? he was you fool he was laughing at the fact you LOST and LOST badly and was celebrating the fact that our team had WON and WON brilliantly, you're just an extremely sore loser Gromit, with a grudge against someone whose flair for article penning you could only ever dream of matching, you can't even spell your article titles correctly - where too now? dooooohhhh!!!
nikolaijns
It was a pun Nikolajins, it wasn't suggesting a direction - the Klinsmann/American consortium has withdrawn and those with an education are aware that Americans use the adverb 'too' to reinforce - I was reinforcing 'where' - what a pillock!!
Gromit
Allowing players from third world countries the opportunity to share in the wealth of leagues in Western Europe is ultimately beneficial to their families, countries and their economies. Kanu, Drogba and Vieira are just two examples of players that have been able to play an active developmental role in their homelands as a consequence of this access. In global terms it is an important contribution to wealth distribution. In the narrow parochial greedy minds of nationalists ithe thinking is limited to 'people coming over 'ere nickin' our jobs'.
Amos.
* just three examples
Amos.
thats well feckin tenuous Gromit lol, however you try to to explain it away does'nt change the fact that it's a cack headline and one thats logic is waaaaay too obscure not to mention utterly unfunny, sorry must try harder.
nikolaijns
precious time are being wasted entertaining this gromit character . let him be. on to more pressing priorities chaps.
cescfab4
Like your impending takeover by Usanov? ... ironic how Hills_Wood attitudes that they don't want 'their sort' foreigners is so different from yours?... yet being happy to have a team 100% full of them.
Gromit
Fair does to Little Dutch though ... while his writing may be tedious at least he bothers to contribute them, unlike half wits like Nickolajins and cescfab4 who are probably too intellectually changed to pen a headline themselves.
Gromit
Hill Wood's "their sort" comment was not to do with nationality, but to do with money men looking to suck money out of the club. Whatever your opinion of people's personalities here, my writing style, the merits of foreigners blah, blah, blah, the only thing that matters is that we gave your boys one hell of a beating.
Little Dutch
Well you're about to be owned by the hardman of Russian business who has a reputation that makes Abramovich look is pure as the driven Siberian snow - on a par with the new Thai owner of ManCity. Hahahahaha .... you'll deserve each other
Gromit
Yeh Gromit - the Ruski is a bit irritating but still some way from owning the club. To think he could have picked up your lot for a bit of loose change in comparison. Not quite the same appeal though I guess what with the lack of success in the last 40 years plus. Anyway you have more pressing things to worry about now that Derbys win last night puts them alongside you. Must be pretty anxious times for Spuds.
Amos.
After 6 games last season Amos we had .... 4 pts ... didn't end up too badly - if Kroneke sells out it takes him above 30% - at the very least he can demand a seat on the board and if you look at this guy's reputation, he always gets what he wants using whatever method. Yes you are valued more than us, but come with much greater debt. So if you are bought for £600m you come with about £250m debt, whilst Spurs are valued at £250m with no debts. With the current problems with credit markets, any recapitalisation of that debt will be difficult and painful.
Gromit
Your lot have been consoling yourself with the 'no worse than this time last year' over the last couple of days but it's not quite certain that you will recover as you did last year is it? It's certainly not what you were forecasting for yourselves pre-season. This was supposed to be the breakthrough season. In truth I think you will do ok but you will be only contesting for a Uefa cup place. The Ruski can make a nuisance of himself but there comes a point where even he can see he can't make a return in the foreseeable future on what it would cost to take control of us. What a contrast though. Here we have Arsenal with people queuing up to buy us and meanwhile Levy is desperate to find a buyer with no one interested. Our debts are £260mn but £210mn is at a long term fixed rate currently well below the base rate. Smart boys financially as well as footbally our lot.
Amos.
difficult and painful? yeah you'd know about that getting hammered at home by the one team you're soooo desperate to beat. How to beat Arenal, nothing better than beating Arsenal, defeat to Arsenal. Headline gold.
nikolaijns
I'm going off course for a second - as much of a fan of your write-ups as I am LD, I have to tug your ear a bit. As well as mis-spelling FAMAGUSTA, you naughtily likened it to a gastric condition (aaaaaaarrrgghhhh don't do that!!!!) even though it was once a beautiful town on the coast, and where some of us originate from! Also, the country in question has spawned generations of North Londoners who in the most part are Gooners!! But I know that you didn't mean it like that so will accept a small apology, not to mention a pie, if I clock you at an away ground!
Andy-bayor
However its mostly held through a consortium of smaller banks who are more likely to feel the pinch of the credit squeeze. If they need to improve their liquidity, then your debt may be transfered or sold on. As for no-one interested, there was a large surge on buying Spurs shares on Monday - this strategic purchase policy strongly suggests that there is a buyer very much in the wind. After Chelsea and Arsenal the next club in London likely to be on the market are Spurs - and strong rumours have it its Sheldon Adelsen. Now here's a guy who regards Abramovich's fortune as spare change. And there's no guarantee, that you won't get knocked out in the L16 of the CL and drop off the moment the African Nations Cup comes along. The loss of Eboue, Toure and Adebayor will undoubtedly have an impact.
Gromit
Gromit, you've degenerated into some sort of xenopohobe in the space of 50 odd posts, which is a shame, but it's always the way with a lot of you and your brethren - resorting to the lowest common denominator. You say that you are gonna support our opponents in the CL and pray we lose at any cost, but then you go on to accuse some of us of not being real football fans!! When you finished that line of reasoning, you then wish for us to be bought out by a shady Russian... I am guessing here, but I reckon that's a fate most Gooners wouldn't even wish on you, so thanks for showing us the way to be a proper fan. It's a poor show of hypocrisy and you have to do better if you're going to stick your head above the parapet.
Andy-bayor
No you are wrong Gromit. The £210mn is a fixed rate bond issue which was underwritten by a merchant bank but the bonds have all been sold so there is absolutely no re-capitalisation risk whatsoever. As I said smart boys our lot. The 'surge' in Spurs shares involved just 1% of shares and the rumour is that it was caused by Mrs Griffin of 13 Railway Cuttings Bruce Grove who had just drawn her £500 'rainy day' money from Northern Rock and bought shares on the advise of her financial adviser Mr Buchler.
Amos.
Unlike the Chavs, our debts are written against a massive asset, so its highly unlikely we are going to be squeezed too much by financial turbulence . That might only happen if people stop going to the Emirates, and the returns start to look shaky, which is again an improbable scenario. Like Amos said we have a good deal on the rate of our loans. We even won awards for the financing packages we set up for the stadium. This has been carried out by the same board of directors who have over recent decades been responsible (with their intelligent financing and nurturing) for ensuring we have followed the trajectory of a big club. Their steady hand has kept us one step ahead of our neighbours… that’s taken time, vision, as well as sweat to do, and you can’t deny that, however much you want to devalue it.
Andy-bayor
lol @ Amos, Toure will be the biggest loss during the ACN, Eboue has been peripheral this season already due to injury and Bendtner and Dudu are more than adequate cover for Daddybayor. Chelski are the team to level that straw clutching broadside at Grommy old bean.
nikolaijns
I forgot about the football Niko... but that's what got his goat in the first place wasn't it - us gloating about their 3-1 loss to the bankrupt foreign legions of lil'ole Arsenal!
Andy-bayor
AndyBayor and Amos - let me correct you - firstly your debt was a £260m senior loan facility secured by a consortium of banks including RBS, Espirito Santo Investment, Bank of Ireland, Allied Irish Banks, CIT Group and HSB Nordbank. And whilst most of the debt was replaced by issuing a bond, this still has to be paid back. Bonds aren't always the most secure form of financial vehicle. If investors in Bonds, often financial instutions, need liquidity then they may cash out those bonds potentially causing an interest rate hike irrespective of whether its a fixed rate repayment. Basically there is a guaranteed pay off at the end of the bond so if the value of the bond drops as investors need to cash in, the issuer of the bond has to make up the difference. The amount you pay in interest remains the same but the core value of the bond you pay back may increase especially if the value of the bond lowers on the bond markets because of a need for credit. Regarding the Russian, all I have quoted are comments made by the ex British ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray including 6 years spent in gaol by Usmanov. No smoke without fire
Gromit
You haven't corrected me Gromit because you are wrong and your information out of date. The senior debt facility you refer to and the consortium of banks involved was just the initial funding phase in 2004. However the debt was restructured in June 2006 when the facility you refer to was replaced with the £210mn fixed rate bond issue (with a secure AAA rating) backed by Ambac Assurance at 5.1418% and a £50mn floating rate issue. The triple A rating means that the bonds were very secure and sold very quickly. Like Gilts and other fixed rate securities they can be traded but this only affects the buyers and sellers of the security and not the issuer. Provided the issuer can meet the commitments in the bonds in which there is no doubt then all is sweet. Sorry to disappoint you Gromit but the funding is rock solid.
Amos.
cloying smugness - check. underlying xenophobia - check. Inability to let anyone have the last word - check. Pathological stalking of the small netherlander - check. Inability to converse without personal insult (pillock/halfwit lol) - check. You are Sir Harry of Kernow Gromit and I salute your nefarious sneakiness bravo sir! Unlike the chavs' blind defence of their repugnant saviour you will find no justification here of a snake like Usmanov, we are well aware of the fact he is an utter cvnt of an individual and is someone we neither want nor need at our club.
nikolaijns
Firstly, i once again echo niko's comments re: Usmanov. I've been vocal on this before, I don't want a shady *****er like that involved in my club, any real fan of football should be concerned about the presence of arms dealers and money launderers in the Premiership. For instance, I don't find United's current predicament and failure to shift season tickets at all amusing despite my ambivalence towards them, I don't want to see any club become the playthings of usurous businessmen. Secondly, my comments re: Famagusta, my mockery was at the prestige of the team, not the place. I've never been there personally, so wouldn't/couldn't comment on it one way or the other. Like I said, this is a football page, a lesson I feel I've learned here over the last few months is not to politicise too much, though I will always criticise what I percieve to be bigotry or jingoism. Andy, if you're at Upton Park, any pie I bought would not be a gesture of contrition, believe me, it would be like ploughing a bullet into your guts, the catering there is extremely questionable, trust me :-)
Little Dutch
Example of smugness? - not provided ... Underlying Xenophobia? - check repeated desire for Klinsmann or Deschamps to become next manager so you'll need to define xenophobia, a classic Gooner response to anyone with a different opinion = a pitiful attempt to imply xenophobia - against a rather accurate observation that the majority of those who post for you on this site have not come anywhere near the Emirates yet feel they can slag off from thousands of miles away true fans who week in and week out stick their hands in their pockets to follow their team .... Stalking of a Little Netherlander? On one page, about one topic, in response to naucuous comments made by said Little Netherlander on Spurs page = stalking? hahahaha!!! .... Sir what? is this some Gooner insult you come up with to deliver against someone who challenges you? - as a potty mouth who cannot write a line without some form of abuse in it, I congratulate you in your remarkable ability to bring to life the expression 'POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK' - whether you want or need Usmanov is not the question .... its whether you'll get him
Gromit
It must be a fair bet that the majority of those posting on Vital Spuds haven't been near WHL but I know enough to know that a significant number of those posting on this site regularly attend games and as about 22,000 more Arsenal fans than Spurs fans regularly put their hands in their pockets on match days (not forgetting the 180,000 in footballs biggest membership scheme) it's difficult to know what point it is you are struggling to make. If I knew what a 'naucuous' comment from LD was I would probably like it. You didn't try to defend 'inability to let anyone have the last word' - back to barking dogs again then.
Amos.
Or a potty calling the kettle black lol, true I have namecalled in your previous incarnations and I do feckin lurve to swear, it's an artform, but I have been a good little boy this time Grommyboy whilst you have been anything but dishing out such hurtful bombshells as halfwit and pillock. Selective xenophobia is rampant in spudland it's a sad fact and one all of vital and beyond are all too aware of, sure you'd wet your collective knickers at the thought of Lippi, Ramos et al then claim we are ruining Engerlands chances by not forking out for substandard English players at exorbitant prices, notice you did'nt pull me up on my assertion that you always have to have the last word, oh well over the next day or two you'll submit some enraged garbled rant afterwhich you'll feel you can't live with yourself, you'll disappear for a while then reinvent yourself again as per, see you in your next life.
nikolaijns
Actually I did label you "numbnuts" for which I offer my sincere and heartfelt apology Gromit, I'm sure you're not at all numb down there but highly sensitive (especially after the kicking they received on Saturday)
nikolaijns
Nikolajins, the whole point of a blog is to have a conversation. It is a living flowing thing. If you are having a debate with a foe, it continues until it reaches a natural conclusion. How dull would things be if fans only had the chance to kiss arse. What I like between Spurs fans at the mo is the collective argument going on. Here its just a lovein which eventually becomes unhealthy and boring. I think that might have escaped you. And of course you drag out the xenophobia argument every time someone has something negative to say like an enormous chip on your shoulder as if you are quietly embarassed your XVI teamsheet has no nationally qualified players on it. I may be wrong but you lot are so defensive about it, one does wonder. I think its interesting that ManC are doing so well because amazingly with a blend of astute overseas signings and youthful English invention. While I do accept your remarks regarding overpriced English players, it is pretty xenophobic to suggest all English players are worthless. Certainly Dawson has proved to be a decent signing, being only slightly more expensive than that slow turning barge called Senderous, while Lennon was an act of grand larceny. Correspondingly while Ljungberg was a great bit of business, Wiltord was very overpriced and Hleb's not really justified his fee compared to the similarly priced Alonso. Its 6 of one and half a dozen of the others.
Gromit
And I stated all English players were worthless where exactly?, noone kisses arse here, there are disagreements to be had aplenty but we reason through things, I guess it's a lot more civil cos things ain't going too badly and that breeds inner peace and contentment, sure I peek over the fence once in a while to witness the savaging hyenas pulling carrion apart, chuckle to myself at the wisdom on display (Jewell for manager lol). You say regarding player outlay its 6 of one etc but when you weigh up the cost of both teams (including subs) at the weekend, one cost roughly 32 million and the other 74 million, that aint no swings and roundabouts baby thats Alton feckin towers!
nikolaijns
"I may be wrong but you lot are so defensive about it, one does wonder." There's no may be about it, the reason we are so defensive about it is because we constantly have to put up with appalling, ill informed comments like these ALL THE TIME and it's just so irksome to deliver the same reasoned debates over and again only to have them thrown out by John Bulldog. To suggest anyone should be embarassed by the presence of foreign nationals in their team is just such a neanderthal way of thinking that I just cannot quite get my head around it. How can you judge individuals in such a callous, small minded way, I just really cannot comprehend it and it's just so unfortunate that our society is awash with media fed *****s like this. Does the lack of blue eyed players in the Spurs team get to you, not many blondies in the starting line up. These are along the same strands as your argument about nationality, on the basest level, you are using the genetic make up of your team as an act of one upmanship. I'm inclined to laugh, but I just find it so sad that you think in such limited terms, I honestly pity you.
Little Dutch
"quietly embarassed your XVI teamsheet has no nationally qualified players on it" No embarassment, just indifference. In any case our teamsheet often includes Walcott and Hoyte who are both 'nationally qualified' at U21 level. It is no surprise that nationalism has always been readily associated with society's baser, more unsavoury elements.
Amos.
No one said anything being embarassed about foreign nationals in a side. I'd be concerned if it was a 100% either way as I would be concerned that my scouting team aren't finding young players from the local geographical surrounds and why coaching team aren't developing them - a concern I have about my team at present. It does seem that you cannot have a conversation LD without tying to find some acute extremeness in it. Yes, I note you are now implying I am an Aryan sympathiser with Nazi and Racist overtones. The pathetic content of that remark knows no bounds. Lets just say the SS would spot me in about 0.0001 seconds. Your colleague had made a point of substandard English players so I pointed out a few who'd been value for money as well as comparing the value of one overseas player with another. I didn't mention the comparative cost of each team, I made the observation that £10m can buy a good overseas player or a less than effective one and likewise you can still find the occasional English bargain. Your implication of foreign good, English bad is as a bad as the reverse and for such an apparently educated person, I am surprised you cannot steer a middle course.
Gromit
Amos, and nationalism has often been associated with some of the greatest moments in history like the resistance against the racist, anti-semitic Nazis of WW2 ... or maybe you have forgotten that little point. It was the revolution bringing us Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity which also brought a country a sense of its National self. I am happy to embrace the latter with pride as it has also brought the former.
Gromit
Sure but you are forgetting that it was INTERnationalism that defeated the Nazis not nationalism. It was nationalism that kicked the whole thing off - the Nazis were nationalism incarnate. Internationalism is readily associated with outgoing, secure, liberal folk - it's a frame of mind you can only benefit from.
Amos.
The thing is Gromit, it does equate to the same thing, judging people by nationality is the same strand of argument as judging by hair colour or eye colour (the Aryan implication was not intended, my point was that nationality is as relevant to a person's charcter as their hair or eye colour, they are all genetic details). I know you don't think you're doing it and by that token, you are not a balls out racist, but the problem is that you are so blinded by what the media feed you, you have no sense of perspective. The resistance to the nazis was achieved in a coalition involving several other nations if I am not mistaken, hence the commonly known incarnation of the phrase you use, "liberte, egalite, fraternite."
Little Dutch
It was nationalism, which stopped them, it was subsequently internationalism which subsequently defeated them. Like usual those across the pond turned up late. And the sense nationalism fed upon and abused by the Nazis was created by the punitive measures inflicted on Germany by the international community at the Treaty of Versailles. Sometimes rampant unchecked internationalism creates nationalism which can subsequently be abused by extremists. And don't confuse the Nazis as nationalists - they were a racist anti-semitic political movement that found they could take the sense of German nationalism and twist it. There were many proud German nationalists who resisted the Nazis but history chooses to try to paint Germany of 1933-45 as all evil.
Gromit
It's a typically English view to think that nationalism alone stopped them and that the Free French Army, French resistance, polish pilots, ghurkhas, Irish volunteers, canadians and many others before 'those across the pond' turned up, didn't play a deciding part. In the nationalists view the british bulldog was standing all alone - except like most nationalist myths it isn't true. Here endeth the sermon on internationalism. In the end you either get it or you don't.
Amos.
Actually those that you mentioned were only able to get involved after the Nazis had been stopped at the channel as England became a base. Those you mentioned were subsequently materially helped by the British, but it was that Churchillian spirit that galcanised resistance .... I'd did my MA on this period of the war. The Polish and French nations collapsed very quickly, Canada was stll very much part of the commonwealth immeidately supporting England as did the antipodeans, and the Ghurkhas were already part of the British empire. It is an indisputable fact that the Battle of Britain was the first turning point and the majority of pilots were British ... as well as the spirit of Blitz galvanised the notion of those not even affected to resist that helped turn the tide ... to suggest anything less is a slap in the face for those who made those sacrifice.
Gromit
 

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