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Arsenal's Input To The England Cause

Arsenal's Input To The England Cause

In what has become a tired debate, the 'Arsenal not being English' brigade continue to lambast our club for not supplying any english players for the national team.

Whilst there may be no members of the Arsenal team in the full England squad, Arsenal have of course given the national side Ashley Cole and David Bentley, who have both moved on to pastures new.

But Vital Arsenal forum member ForestHillGooner has looked into exactly what Arsenal do for England throughout the various age groups, and has come up with some interesting stats regarding the breakdown of exactly how many players are supplied to England, throughout the various age levels, and has presented them in easy-to-digest league formats.

In Arsenal's case, the players who represent England are:

Justin Hoyte
Theo Walcott
Kieran Gibbs
Henri Lansbury
Rhys Murphy
Jay Thomas
Gavin Hoyte
Sam Byles
Emmanuel Frimpong

But without further ado, over to ForestHillGooner...

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I know some people on this forum have already mentioned the contribution of Arsenal to the English Youth System. I wanted to see how the actual stats added up. Below is a table showing all of the Premier League clubs and just how much they are currently providing towards the future of the English Senior Team.

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By wingston at 2007-11-20

As you can see there are some surprises in there, not least considering Steven Gerrard's recent comments when in fact Liverpool are joint 17th!

In an attempt to show an unbiased view I have then included the figures for the senior team players to see how this affects the numbers.

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By wingston at 2007-11-20

A number of interesting observations;

1. England Senior Team contains no regular Arsenal players and the team underperforms.

2. The stats show that Arsenal is doing more than any other club in the Premiership to contribute new players to refresh the current crop of underperforming players. Remember these new players all play in the much respected Wenger style, which runs through-out all levels at Arsenal.

3. Of Man Utd's 4 Senior players they only developed 1 through their youth systems whilst they purchased the other 3. That home grown player is Wes Brown.

4. Of Chelsea's 5 Senior players they developed 1 (John Terry) through their youth systems.

5. Of T*ttenham's 2 Senior players they developed 0 (zero) through their youth systems.

6. Of Liverpool's 3 Senior players they developed 1 through their youth systems whilst they purchased the other 2. That home grown player is Steven Gerrard.

So I ask why is all this finger pointing exclusively at Arsenal?

Let the informed debate continue...........

Article submitted by ForestHillGooner



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Writer:Wingston
Date:Tuesday November 20 2007
Time: 9:37PM

Comments

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No, no, no, you can't use facts! That totally flies in the face of my stupid, ignorant, nationalistic, media fed agenda! How dare you expose my ignorance and deconsrtuct my jingoistic bile like that!.....Sorry, I just wanted to see what it would be like to be a tabloid journalist for a second.
Little Dutch
20/11/2007 21:42:00
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Apologies for the delayed airing of this article, I intended to have it up on sunday, but yours truly, the 'gumbo' of the internet world, coudlnt get the tables to resemble anything other than a barbled mess of figures (tabs and spaces don't get on well with the internet), until G4L kindly stated the blindingly obvious and said 'why don't you insert them as graphics?'

I doff my cap to you, sir!
»»Arsene Knows««
Wingston75
20/11/2007 21:45:00
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I know that facts aren't to everyone's liking, LD, why let that get in the way of a good old tired repeated airing of a tired old incorrect debate, eh? Flogging a dead horse springs to mind.

Before that, it was 'Arsene's Red Card Shame' for years, the press conveniently glossing over (ignoring) the facts that for a good two years, whilst they still trundled out the same tired old headlines, we had one of the best disciplinary records in the Premier League...
»»Arsene Knows««
Wingston75
20/11/2007 21:49:00
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Cant wait to see TT and ES try to argue that this doesnt prove anything.
gunnerkid107
20/11/2007 21:55:00
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not too many others jumping on this article are there...funny how statistics shut everyone else the fak up
anonymous
20/11/2007 21:57:00
0
nice touch to the statistics, tottenham called spuds , lol. It really catched.
k_chelski
20/11/2007 22:07:00
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The Patriot Police will now have to swap their Jackboots for Hush Puppies. Damned inconvenient things facts.
Amos.
20/11/2007 22:07:00
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derby county are the real culprits of english football. Unfortunately no one has found them out yet. Englishspur, here is your answer.
49ers
20/11/2007 22:44:00
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k_chelski... for a moment I was thinking its Spurs... LoL
KnightOfARSENAL
20/11/2007 23:12:00
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To be fair to Derby, not that it changes much, ForestHillGooner did subsequently update the charts to include Lee Camp of Derby in the U21 squad. The revised charts are posted in the Debate & Analysis forum.
Amos.
20/11/2007 23:14:00
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