Fab Fabregas Far From Infallible

It was a bit strange, but I actually wondered if Cashley had hammered his thumb into Cesc's throat when he girly slapped. But you are right. he's the best in the world in his position, no need to follow Ronaldo who is also the best at his position but is the best diver too!

Totally agree he needs to sort his discipline out because i think that is his 6th yellow card in the PL. He needs to get back his concentration in front of goal because he missed some sitters against Chelsea.

also Paul, I think if anyone in the team should be singled out for such behaviour Eboue would be ahead of Cesc everytime, he escaped the red on 3 occasions in the last 2 matches, I know its an old arguement, but I just think he needs to wind his neck in a bit

rocks, it may well have had something to do with the 'no heavyweight like vieira' but in cashley's book. Whilst I don't condone violence, in this case, it can't have come against a finer person. The man's face turns my stomach every time I see it (and no, I don't mean cesc). »»Arsene Knows««

Its first game back, the sharpness cant be expected AB_Arsenal... Also think Wenger needs to make an example out of Eboue, if he lets Eboue carry on playing dirty its going to send the wrong message to the rest of the players..

Good write up, Rocky. He does need to cut this play acting out of his game, coz its unecessary. He has too much class for that. The tackle from behind deserved a yellow (but boy, was it worth seeing Cashley being taken out ;), and he got it. Cole was also punished for retaliation. In Cesc' defence, he is not the worst offender, and this side of his game crops up only once in a while, in the high pressure games.

I watched this match on MOTD2 and so only saw the highlights but it did look like a tasty affair. Unfortunately i do think that there should have been a few red cards in the game (3 in fact). Eboue's challenge was pretty shocking and i do wonder how he has not been sent off or even pulled up in front of the FA for some of the things he has been doing. Cesc should also have seen red for his challenge as well as cole for his violent conduct. I think it is more about consistency for me as if you look at it Robbie Keane is sent off for a nothing challenge for a 50 50 ball but eboue is not sent off for a possible leg breaking challenge and cole is not sent off for a slap in the face. I suppose the fact nobody was sent off meant that the game was a little tastier. You never know, the FA may actually pull their fingers out and study some video footage and discipline accordingly

I agree with the other posters, Cesc should be above that but Eboue? It's one thing supporting your players, but Arsene, it's gone on too long, SORT HIM OUT!!!

Amos, i think the Terry one is a tough one to call or at least it is for me. Dont get me wrong, i think Terry gets away with murder but i think the challenge he put in was a yellow but he would not have been able to do many more fouls after that one before he saw red and i do think that would have happened if he had stayed on the pitch. As for Eboue, it seems as though every time i put MOTD on and see him playing he seems to get away without being sent off even though he will do a dangerous challenge. At the end of the day though you got the result you wanted ie 3 points and a clean sheet. For your sake you will hope the FA dont look at video footage and decide to punish both teams with suspensions of players but i dont that will happen as the FA like to do nothing or mess things up

The problem is that Terry's tackle set the tone for the rest of the match - everyone thought they would then be allowed at least one poor tackle. Eboues actions are rarely bad tackles or dangerous challenges - he over reacts to being tackled himself but in a way that should invite action and will if he continues. The FA won't look at video footage as the referee saw all the flashpoints and, however tamely, dealt with them at the time.

Hopefully as time goes by Cesc and Eboue will progress in the same way.

Did anyone see in the second half Toure run about 40 yards to have a go at Cole but someone held him back?

Ab lovely lad comment from the boss think the spirit in our side is absolutely amazing. Not everyone was at their best against Chelsea because many came back from injury. However, the likes of Cesc Fabregas, Alex Hleb and Mathieu Flamini gave us a technical stability which is completely different. Comment from you He needs to get back his concentration in front of goal because he missed some sitters against Chelsea. Let me think hmmm the boss opinion or yours and Pauls hmm I think I will take the boss opinion any day. I have never said we were angles or angels, (I think you meant the latter ) I just said we were not going to be bullied anymore. I still consider them to be a champion team, in my opinion and surely that is what this site is for opinions. But sorry only your opinion counts, or does it?

"It's like putting the gloves of a heavyweight champion on the hands of an unproven featherweight and telling him to go out there and knock out the opposition." Well done Cesc I say

I don't in anyway believe that Cesc is worse than Eboue, not even close, but I have spoken about my distain for Eboue's actions in the past, I felt it would be irrisponsible not to pull up Cesc just because he's a world class player. If anyone thinks that Cesc's moments of petulence are limited to a bad tackle and over reaction with Cole yesterday then you're only fooling yourselves. You may feel Cesc's actions were justified as it was on that odious little **** Cole, but that doesnt make it ok. One of these days he's gunna get a red card, and maybe a further ban for doing something this stupid, then we'll be without him for a period of time for no other reason than Fabregas acting like a brat. That makes him a liability. Best player in the world? Probably. A very silly boy? Definately.

Rocky - he has shown his petulance more than just once, I agree, but I'm not sure its alarming enough to be concerned right now, and not nearly as bad as Eboue. Cesc has limited this kind of behaviour, and whilst I hope he cuts it out, at present the criticism will be moderated somewhat.

if cesc reacted to cole he might of had red card! i was in the game and i was praying that he stays in ground if he had stand up it would have been another brawl ! it was smart move from cesc who has been violently attacked by terry in first half ! you always forget that he is only 20 years old ! and has been attacked by cole in his book! i mean we all had a go all the game at cole and none said it was wrong why then blaming him, he just had a go at him like most of the crowd ! he loves the club and he just did what 99% of arseanl fan would have done at that time! it was just in heat of the moment !

Who's justifying terry's behavior?

gunnerkid made the best point if this were Vieira, or even Ralph, Keown or Campbell we were talking about nobody would give a *****. I think Cesc is prone to moments of stupidity but then again so are all great players in almost any sport. Maradona had it, but Napoli wouldn't trade him for it. Cantona had it, United didn't care. Vieira had it, we loved him for it. Zidane had it, the French still worship him. I think Bergkamp was the only player I've ever seen who was absolotuley at he top of his game but didnt have a mean streak, and although I wish they could all be Dennis's they cant and to talk away the hot headedness takes away the passion, when they lose the passion they lose there desire and influence.

gooners fighting, lol.It's like a boxing match at a star trek convention. Like a marathon in a all you can eat buffet.Like shallow white girls fighting. Like dogs... oh you get it.

lady boy? Sounds like someone has experience on the subject...geehesh, touchy guy. Just hope not all Australians are that short-tempered.

k_chelski, you've changed your tune last time you wrote it was all tears because you lost, and naughty Arsenal had stood up to your thugs. Has mummy wiped your tears away??

Bloody hell k_chelski, didn't know you were an necrophiliac, my mothers been dead ages; you dirty little bugger. But I should not be surprised Dead sh.t useless team followed by necrophilacs, they go hand in glove.

alwaysgunner again you don't seem to understand anything I’ve said and seem to keep reiterating a statement that has nothing to do with what I have brought up. As I have said before, of course those players bring back more technical stability to the team I never argued that they didn't. Also never argued that Cesc doesn’t have the technical ability to score goals but for some reason you keep bringing this back. What I said was is that he needs to get back his concentration in front of goal to the level it was at when he was one of our top goal scorers surely his concentration was not lost during a 2 week break. So if he can walk on water as you seem to think, then can’t his concentration levels can remain the same after a tow and a half week layoff. Secondly of course he has heart I never said he didn’t but their are different ways to show you have heart which don’t involve committing stupid tackles in the last few remaining minutes of the game which could lead to him getting a red card and missing three extremely important games....hence why he needs to calm down and think of what he is doing in that situation, why does being calm mean that you have less heart. Lastly alwaysgunner even though I enjoyed our debate about this before I always respected your opinion and you as a person, obviously as a fellow arsenal supporter I still respect you but if you continue on making some quite stupid and basically childlike statements like "My only problem with your comments is I think you have your head is too firmly wedged up Pauls rectum and I could say kiss my bum but I think you would like it too much" not only will it make you and your argument sound dumb it will also make it really hard to take you seriously . Just stick to the argument at hand instead of the person making them. Also again you have done what you protested against in your previous posts, you state that you have a problem with my opinion because it is inline with Paul's....so what is the problem with that, because I have the same opinion as that of the person that wrote the article and as it is different to yours therefore it is invalid. Cmon alwaysgunner cheer up the world is not so bad, I am not some spurs supporter in disguise trying to bad mouth Cesc and the Arsenal team I am just an Arsenal supporter with a difference of opinion.

AB a robust opinion of ideas I welcome and lovely boy I dont take umbrage at your opinions it just on this occasion you rush to support Paul and make IMO a stupid statement about a lad who has just returned to the team. The childlike retort was in comment to me having to grow up. Up to that point I had only attacked your opinion not the person. I still stand by my comments that the chill pill statements is a load of bulls.it. I do defend your right to have a difference of opinion but at the end of the day we both support the same team. Truce.

Oh my, the secret has been exposed.Seriously , alwaysgunner, for someone who is almost 100, you sure have the mental capacity of a 9 year old....at best. You call people gay when they disagree with you. You try to dish it out, but in your little head, you think I knew your mother's dead( if she really is). Fine, bitch, I'm sorry that I said your mom calls me daddy. Happy now?

necrophiliac k_chelski, please dont get upset, if you want to dig up dead women for sex because your sick okay. Please see someone so that help can be given to you. You are in need of help, necrophiliac k_chelski you really are. I promise not to let your secret out but you have told the whole of this site, you dirty little bugger.

"necrophiliac k_chelski, please dont get upset, if you want to dig up dead women for sex because your sick okay."I rest my case.Good night all, alwaysgunner, you've shown your true colours.

Kevin, please stop trolling. This was a reasonable debate on the merits and drawbacks of Cescs personality on the field until you came along. If lack the capacity to contribute without antagonising, then go back to vital Chelsea. Thanks.

Alwaysgunner - I never had you pegged you for someone like this. I respect that you don't feel the same way as AB & I, but to call us morons for having a difference of opinion is a bit disapointing to be honest. If you think that I'm "getting on Cescs back" on the strength of this last match, then you are incorrect. Cesc's petulence has been growing over the last year or so, if you want to hide from that fact then fair enough, but please don't be insulting if you do!

as for Ces perceived petulance, I perceived that as passion and I don't think it has gone anywhere as to use your words needing a chill pill. Hes a young lad and I am bloody glad he plays for us. As I said you are wrong dead wrong but that is your opinion I also have mine.

Forgot to say Paul as the editor if you don't like my opinions or comments you have the power to ban me its up to you.

Paul, IMO on this topic you are a moron, thats called an opinion. On one of your other sites someone called me an arse wipe that is insulting your action zero, even when I brought it to your attention. So Paul so being so bloody precious, and as you said about Ces stop being a daft little boy.

I don't remeber recieving a single email or personal message from you concerning insulting behaviour from any other members AG. If you think I have time to read every single post on the site then you are mistaken. If you take offence to someone calling you an arsewipe (which going by your logic was his opinion) how can you jusify calling me and AB "morons"? I always though you were one of the most sensible and senior of the members here at VA, I guess I was wrong.

Paul to use your words that is now the second time you are wrong.

If you think I'm wrong, that is fine, I've been wrong in the past. As I am priveledged enough to be able to voice my opinions on the front page of a website I accept the fact that every piece I write will have it's supporters and people who disagree, I can't keep everybody happy. I encourage you to speak out if you disagree with something, but you can keep your insults to yourself. Just because some words are not swear words doesnt make them any less offensive. I'm willing to leave this alone now, but I expect better behavior in the future. This childishness doesn't suit you.

I'm willing to leave this alone now, but I expect better behavior in the future. This childishness doesn't suit you. What a load of pompous wind, get stuffed, "I'm willing to leave this alone", get off your horse, you are now being a moron. Paul your making a fool of yourself.

prits, I'm not saying he's maradona or anything.But I hate him for the things he did, even if it weren't that many. The way he keeps inciting brawls, despicable.He's a talented individual, he doesn't need this atitude.

Naive for trying to break someone's leg? lol, that's a first.If he's naive, Robbie savage is the virgin mary.

Oh come off it, kev. That was a bad tackle on Cashley, not an attempt to break his leg. 3 instances in 4 playing years - makes him despicable ? I disagree. Just curious - If you use the same yardstick, how would you measure / describe Terry ?

Nice dodge there, kev ;). I just meant to put your description of Cesc in perspective, thats all.

Vital Chelsea are still bitter about the loss -article after article slagging off Arsenal, Cesc, the fans blah blah. Its quite funny now.