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Meeting with Jon and Trev pre match it has become something of a ritual to share our predictions. Mine, on this occasion, turned out to be no less a prediction than a prophecy. '1-1, we'll take the lead, take our foot off the gas and it'll finish 1-1.' You're going to have to take my word for that! (And of course I won't tell you about the dozens of times I'm wrong), but I just felt that of late Arsenal have slightly over relied on that handy trait of playing badly and getting results and I felt that maybe our luck had run out on this occasion.

The Gunners began brightly enough, the extra rest afforded to some players since the New Year looked evident as the movement was crisp and Birmingham, who had taken a point at Anfield and run United very close at Old Trafford already this season, looked a little ragged. But the first opportunity of the match actually fell to the visitors. Olivier Kapo slid a wonderfully weighted pass betwixt Toure and Gallas and Cameron Jerome's low drive had Manuel Almunia sprawling down to his left to make a smart save. If anything it acted as a catalyst for the home side, Adebayor's delicious backheel found the fleet footed Hleb on the left, the Belarussian whipped in a precise cross which Eduardo headed straight at Maik Taylor. Another swift move involving the hungry looking Hleb saw Eduardo close in on goal, only for Phil Dowd to ajudge Stephen Kelly's tackle as illegal and give Arsenal a penalty. I have yet to see the incident back, but I think Kelly might have got the ball and Eduardo's fall did not look convincing on first viewing. A replay may assuage my cynicism.

Another spot on prediction as I declared, 'low and to the keeper's left', Ade obliged placing the ball into the corner via Taylor's fingertips. Ade will have to vary his penalty routine as every one he has taken thus far has been a carbon copy. Arsenal looked good for a second goal, but did not adequately lay siege on Birmingham's goal. At half time, 1-0 seemed very comfortable, crowd and team in a mutual zone of complacency. But both were ejected from their reverie three minutes after the interval. Seb Larsson's left wing corner saw Gary O'Connor unmarked to head goalwards, the deflection off of Fabregas' foot diverting the ball beyond Almunia. Led by the impressive Ridgewell, Birmingham defended stoutly, whilst Arsenal alcked the sharpness and creativity to break them down. Adebayor disappeared from the game and Eduardo is that unfathomable type of player because you rarely notice an all round performance from him, yet you cannot afford to replace him because he is always capable of a goal.

Nicky Bendtner arrived from the bench to form a three pronged attack and Arsenal's prospects appeared to improve. Bendtner showed some good movement and Fabregas picked him out with a slide rule pass, but Bendtner snatched at the chance and swerved wide. It was Bendtner again who forged an opportunity, moving ointo the box with Bergkampesque poise, but curling his shot well over the bar. The skipper nearly made another invaluable contribution from centre forward, Hleb span the ball across the six yard box at pace, but Gallas could only deflect the ball towards the touchline. The final flourish came deep into injury time when Cesc Fabregas hit a long range shot inches past the post. The final whistle sounded to audible groans. Two points very much dropped. But I feel philosophical in truth, it is the first time we have dropped points at home this season (the more creditible tie with United withstanding), and even the most successful seasons have these kind of results, we just have to make sure it does not happen with impunity. I have said before that there are many forks left in the road yet, United will have another bad result, we need to capitalise. The return of van Persie needs to come soon though, we have missed his star quality and ability to turn a game with a piece of genius.LD.




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Date:Sunday January 13 2008

Time: 1:24PM

Your Comments

Bit *****ed of about the whole situation really. I felt confident with a good start, but just reminded me of 'last years arsenal'. I agree though, i felt we were becoming too dependant on not playing so good but pulling out results. Gutting!
h57ben
We've been off for a while now. The only comforter is that despite playing badly we are still joint top. Hopefully we will kick on now with our traditional end of season style and tear it up a bit. I also think Adebayor needs a kick up the bum.
Rocky7
It did cross my mind that things wouldn't go our way when simmo predicted a win in his match preview! I suppose a home game/result like this was inevitable at some point. It wasn't that we played badly. In parts we looked very good indeed - Hleb 1st half especially. But while that little piece of creative magic wasn't exactly missing altogether, the tricks didn't quite come off. Either of the two flu victims, RvP and Rosicky, would have brought that little more experience I am sure. But you are right we really do need RvP back for that extra 'goal-from-nothing' threat in our game.
Amos.
Only positive was Sendoras.
AFC85Lew
we had enough chances to win the game even without RVP n Mozart Rosicky.. we didnt take them.. this was just one of those games every top teams hv in a season.. we'll be back from this.. judging from wengers comments on skysports, the whole team is pretty disappointed n they should be.. but it doesnt look to pretty for fulham at the moment, more so after our result.. a huge win to go back top next week me thinks
McGooner
I cant say anything about the Fulham game.. cuz we lost 2-1 last year over there.. didn't we? As Wenger said.. we need to re focus.. and big time. I think we totally under-estimated Birmingham yesterday and paid for it.. The players should forget abt Man Utd, Chelsea et all.. and focus on getting 3 points in every match.. and I think so should we. I believe that if we win 12-14 of our remaining games.. we've got a real shot.. it wont be easy.. but at least its do-able.. unlike last season.
arsenalrulz4ever
Walcott was again dreadful. It's like he's relying on his speed as his only weaon, and indeed he seems to have very little to back it up with. Bendtner came on and immediately showed what was missing on the right. Oh, and LD, "betwixt Toure and Gallas"?.....I know, we all already miss the big Ivorian too! hehe
SUX2BU
Walcott concerns me, it's like he's learning his trade to the detriment of the team,
AFC85Lew
I'm glad this result didn't make it all about doom and gloom here. And to look at the positives, I agree with Lew that Senderos indeed looked solid, playing better and better, especially in the 2nd half. I was surprised that it was our attack that had problem when I had been worried about defence since Kolo left. But I really don't think there's a fundamental problem with our attack, it's just an off day. Individually the strikers and attack-minded midfielders are a good collection of players really (except Theo who's really not there yet, but nothing worse than 'not there yet' so I'm glad we are cutting the kid some slack). It's a question of finding the right striking partnership while Ade and Eduardo didn't seem to work well together. I guess I still tend to think RvP/Ade and Edu/Bendtner are the most viable options for now. I'm not worried about Fulham, but then I wasn't worried about Birmingham either, what do I know?
Lou the Gunneress
oh well you can't always win and if you are qpr you can't always lose so a draw is a good result for us and at the very least you play in the prem
ozanne park rangers
I think the coming up game will be a massive decider for out title challenge. We HAVE TO WIN, if we don't and Manure does then things will be hard for us even though the gap will be either 2-3points.
CoastarianGooner
nice one LD, can you predict us a win next time mate! agree with some of the comments on here, Walcott was poor, but worth remembering its not his natural position, he seems to be very much a confidence player which concerns me though
TR7
Off topic but quite relevant - are any of you watching the Milan Serie A game? Oldie Ronaldo scored two, Kaka his usual self scoring one, I think Milan are finally back. And this new kid Pato, really technically gifted and confident in front of goal, scored one in his debut. Time to forget about their bad form (until now), I think we're in for a roller-coaster ride in CL.
Lou the Gunneress
I feel that when our first team does not play a competetive game together for two weeks that our fluency is not the same, this can best bee seen when our players come back from international duty. Thats wy I think it was wrong not to play the first team against Burnley as the players would have had a full week to recover, remember that only couble of them played against spuds so they would have been fresh and more focusd.
Armory
Armory spot on! Thats what we all said in the car on the way home yesterday!!
vavavoom14
Armory it's quite true that they lacked sharpness bcos of lack of playing time together in 2 weeks. But still I wouldn't have wanted to run the risk of getting them injured vs Burnley or Spurs.
Lou the Gunneress
You know what's the worst part is that we now have to relive the Birmingham game at the Arsenal TV channel launch event, if some of you are watching: http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=485465
Lou the Gunneress
your not top anymore oh your not top any more but at least you are premier oh your not top anymore
ozanne park rangers
hopefully we can give fulham a tonking,and reduce the goal difference
fran merida
don't think your club Arsenal is a big club or anywhere near the big european clubs! can't remember the last time arsenal win anything in Europe!!! poor you...please don't think you are a big club cos big club always win stuff in europe...unfortunately arsenal is not!! hey plus England didn't even qualify for EURO 2008! hahahah and also now need an italian to help you and teach you to play football!! so you need us to teach you how to win stuff? and begging us!!!lol come on just accept that Italian football is better than your country England!
YTL
mmm
YTL
Try telling that to the players of Inter, Lazio, Roma, Juventus and soon to be Milan YTL. I'm sure that they'd have something to say about that. If I remember, the last time we won something in Europe it was against another mighty Italian side called Parma. Funny that eh!
flv
Arogance starting to show through?
MFC67
Boasting about England's failure here is a bit of a waste of time mate. Arsenal have few English players and even fewer Italians, which just makes you look a bit stupid.
Little Dutch
eh? Parma? mighty? don't think so! what minor cups winner cups? for those small club that unable to compete with the big boys in Europe!!any CL? No! still dreaming? I think dream forever then! just accept the fact that arsenal will never be a big club cos to many kids!! you can't win CL with kids!! this is the fact....just look at those big european clubs! they won the CL because ther are experience! you need experience not with kids! as long as your team full with kids then just keep dreaming! so if your country need us(Fabio cappello=italian) to teach you how to play football then how about your club as well!!
YTL
LD...please accept your arsenal is just a small club in europe!
YTL
As previosuly mentioned, Romas, Inter, Sampdoria, Torino, Parma, Juventus were given a footballing lesson by us. Your point about the England national team is irrelevant, I couldn't care less and neither could most Gooners.
Little Dutch
Besides which, if your huge Italian clubs are as profficient as you claiom, why the constant bribing of match officials?
Little Dutch
well LD...if arsenal is a big club can you please tell me how many CL or european cup you won? to be honest italian are the world champion! bribe as well?and AC MILAN the club world champion and CL!! Bribe as well?well.when someone unable to win anything in europe then they will make so many excuses!! hmm arsenal is an english club right? so just accept that as well!!! I know your club only have 2 or 3 english players but at the end of the day still an English club!! so....maybe you are not english then! but if someone is an english then please don't tell me an English won't support their country!
YTL
Is Cannavaro back in a very bad disguise??
Guyver
your club will be a loser in Europe now and forever!why Henry wnna move to Barca?Because Henry knew that Arsenal won't be able to win anything in europe! this is the reason he moved to Barca in order to win something....unfortunately still waiting!hahahah...just accept that your club is not big enough in europe if your club is big and able to challenge some stuff in europe then Henry and your former captain viera will not left you!! got it! this is just simple and pure fact....sooner or later if someone from your current squad getting better and better then you will loose him as well! happened before and will happen again!
YTL
YTL - Please accept that you are not wanted on this site and you have been banned twice already.......and we will make that a third time as soon as the techies receive me email.
Rocky7
Italy is a retirement home for players past their best looking to top up their pensions. Sure they might get lucky now and then in knockout cup competitions with the odd penalty shoot out but it's a league for the lame, infirm and those who don't want to work too hard. As for Cappello - England coaches don't teach anyone anything and we have a long tradition of appointing the useless and overhyped as coach. Cappello is just another in that long line.
Amos.
did anyone catch the italian football on channel 5? wasnt it boring....no wonder italians fans are over here they are more interested in english football,is it because its not corrupt and has passion.
fran merida
what? banned what? are you real racist? I'm just talking the fact! so fact also wrong?then you are very bad person! people that don't accept the real fact! and then ban people when someone trying to tell you the true...this is very bad!
YTL
1) What you are stating is not fact, it is opinion. 2) Opinion is more than welcome on this site. 3) The opinion of a proven racist who has been banned two times already is not.
Rocky7
Facts? The facts are that there are 3 English teams in the current top 5 UEFA 2008 rankings and only one Italian side.
Amos.
hey rocky! I can't really understand your point! banned what? are you talking with someone else? whats the matter with you? just jealous or what? tyring to ban me because you are jealous! hey....I have my right as well...and I didn't abuse or insult! what are you talking about?
YTL
Not this time, but in your previous carnation as Cannavaro you were exceedingly racist and you are not welcome. You have no rights and you will be deleted very shortly.
Rocky7
ranking does not prove anything! come on if this is the case then England already qualify for Euro 2008! ranking count for nothing! if ranking count then try to win the CL !!! can you?
YTL
hey rocky..don;t understand this type of people though! totally talking nonsence what are you talking about? what carnation Cannavaro? what ? I'm racist?what? I think you are cos just jealous about people success!
YTL
always mention about racist Rocky7!! I can't understand what is your problem! people are free to join! and you just can't point some useless thing towards me! and frank someone and then ban people!! what kind of action is this!
YTL
YTL - you take me for an idiot? Even a blind man who can't see could tell that you are Cannavaro / FabioCannavaro. You can whine all you want that about it. You will be banned. And jealous of your success? Unless you scored the winning goal in the CL final, then I'd say there's little to be jealous about.
Rocky7
anyway I think you are uneducated person with such a manner ! I can report this as well....cos I don't really understand what are you talking about! this is just crazy...why you act so badly? I didn't mention anything about racist and then you said I'm someone carnation? what ? if you wanna report then I can do this as well...cos I can see that I didn't do any racist remark infact you are the one that wanna ban people ! so are you racist?
YTL
This will be my last response to you. You previously joined up to this network (not surprisingly on the Spurs site) and you username was "Cannavaro". You then came on to this site and were calling Arsenal players "Black Cow Players" and other such racist remarks. You were banned. Half an hour after you were banned you re-joined with the username "FabioCannavarro", you behaviour was not racist but considering your previous racism you were banned once more. Now you re-join again under the username YTL, once again, no racism, but the fact you were racist in the first place means you are not welcome on this site. I hope this is clear to you.
Rocky7
Winning cup competitions proves nothing much. A good draw, a lucky decision here or there, a deflection, penalty shootout, injuries at the wrong time. These are what contribute to winning knockout cup competitions that's why the winners of the CL are not often even the best teams in their leagues. That's why Greece can be European Champions. It just enables those with mouths bigger than their brains to make a lot of noise about very little.
Amos.
this is the most terrible frame !! so are you racist especially towards italian?unbelieveable.....so I guess this is just how you act when you meet some other football fans? just ban people?and then just make all those story and frame me? this act is just like a hooligan! nevermind I guess you just cannot accept people from other country! terrible...
YTL
Ah Amos! so winning world cup for 4 times prove nothing?wow...so what else you can prove then! world cup is the biggerst football competition! so the winner is the world champion! if this prove nothing then no point we watch world cup then!
YTL
please don't tell me that Arsenal don't want to win CL! or your arsenal players don't want to be a world champion!! cos from your view winning CL and World cup prove nothing!
YTL
"and AC MILAN the club world champion and CL!! Bribe as well?" Yep, that's why they were deducted fifteen points, later reduced to eight on a questionable appeal. And Berlusconi as a club president, nothing else need be added.
Little Dutch
The World Cup is the most commercially endorsed competition, but far from the best. International football is a tired relic from a bygone era, the results of which are of no interest to me whatsoever. In fact, if most people are honest with themselves, I bet they don't care about international football either, but feel dutibound to pretend that they do because of nationalstic hype.
Little Dutch
LD...so how about world cup! bribe as well???so basically everything italian won are bribe? so who racist here Rocky7? so I'm sure you know that we beat Germany and France! so bribe? about Ac Milan then I'm sure you know we beat MU and Bayern as well! bribe too!! the recently Boca! bribe too?.....so everythings bribe for you....! huh so if your club didn't win any then those clubs or countries that won competition are bribe!
YTL
You can watch whatever you want to but the world cup is a knockout competition. You could get a different result if you draw the teams again. Italy won it twice in the '30s when few teams took part so what does that prove? Nobody believes that Italy was the best team in 2006 WC tournament any more than anyone believes that Greece is an icon of wonderful football because they won the European tournanment. They were just the teams that won. Silly jingoistic nationalists love these competitions because they believe it proves national superiority. Only the truly dumb actually believe it.
Amos.
LD...whats the matter with you? everything bribe! hahaha so no need to watch football I guess cos bribe everywhere? please tell me which football competition without any bribe? maybe only arsenal game free from any bribe? hahaha..so when winning no bribe and then when losing everything also bribe! childish!
YTL
Stop putting words in to peoples mouths. You are not welcome because you are an idiot, that is the simple truth.
Gunnerman
I couldn't care less how Italy won the
Little Dutch
I couldn't care less how Italy won the World Cup any more than I care how my twelve year old nephew wins games of conkers. But the fact is, Milan were very recently implicated in a massive bribery scandal and not for the first time. The fact is, the Italian league has a history of huge corruption and if Italian teams were as superior as you believed, this would be unnecessary surely? I love Italy as a country (probably good memories of travelling to Milan to see us whoop Inter 5-1 and Roma 3-1), but the football stinks.
Little Dutch
Amos...I'm not sure which country you are coming from! cos If you are from the nation that won many world cups then you won't said that! but if you are still waiting some international competitions honour after more than 40 years then you will get jealous when someone is better than you!
YTL
There is a poll on this very page where more than twice as many gooners would prefer to win the Premiership than the CL. In Italy the team that looks as though it will win Serie A is the one with the fewest Italian players. National superiority? - you are living in the past desperately clinging to flags and symbols that mean nothing at all in the modern world.
Amos.
YTL - you are very annoying, i come on this site to get good opinions from well minded football fans, not from wise guys like you who prolly through opposing club fansites bragging about how good ur nation is and ur nations league. Serie A is nothing compared to the epl. Your fans are too scared to even set foot in a stadium anymore, your clubs bribe matches, most of the players who go their are 35 yrs old and ur football is just plain boring. Winning the CL doesnt mean anything. Winning the league does and that is why i respect what Inter Milan are acheiving. But, AC Milan winning the CL, quite luckily i must say, doesnt tell me anything. They are 25 points behind 1st place and may not even feature in europe next season. This so called champion of europe isnt looking so great is it.
MikeLebo
That reminds me, where do A.C currently sit in their domestic league?
Little Dutch
hahaha Gunnerman is getting abusive! so ban as well Rocky7? Gunnerman are you getting upset cos Arsenal and england unable to win something big?? I bet you are jealous! I'm sure many people would like their clubs or national team to win world cup or CL.!!! please ask yourself mate! infact all your arsenal players want as well!!!!
YTL
Mikelebo....please don't tell me that your arsenal players don't want to be CL winner! and world champion?..come on....I'm sure you want and dreaming about it! but just to difficult to accept the fact! since you lost your Henry and Club Captain Viera to a bigger club! cos your club arsenal is just not big enough for them! and they knew your club can't win anything in europe! this is the reason they left you!
YTL
Weird, we seem to be doing fine without Henry and, as for Vieira, ask him how he fared against an 18 year old Fabregas when Arsenal took Juve to pieces. In fact, Vieira played in a Juve side that were eventually relegated. Why was that again?
Little Dutch
We didn't lose Vieira and Henry we sold them because they weren't good enough for us anymore. Both have physical problems and naturally they preferred to earn their pensions in places where the sport isn't too demanding. In this league we consider Serie A as the Eastbourne of european football.
Amos.
LD..please remember this"Fabregas will leave arsenal sooner or later" this is just another sad story for you cos when your players getting tired of your european result then they will leave you...as soon as they are getting bigger then they want to win some european stuff! if you can't do it then they will leave you! cos everyone wanna win CL medal! same goes to any national team players! everyone wann awin world cup medal!
YTL
see...amos you just cannot accept that arsenal unable to fulfill their dreams.....so playing with messi. ronaldinho,eto.puyol.deco etc sound much better !!very normal for henry to joined barca! plus henry went to Barca(barca not from serie A)
YTL
Yes, YTL, Fabregas will leave us eventually. Probably when he is 32, injury ridden and at the behest of another emerging youngster, he will join Milan. Vieira and Henry, tellingly, feature rarely in their current sides due to persistent injuries. Neither has won a European trophy in the interim.
Little Dutch
Oh dear, oh dear. Juventus and AC Milan, with Fiorentina and Lazio were found guilty of attempting to influence the outcome of games. They were not found guilty of bribing referees or actually being successful with their bribery efforts. I think the only recent case of successfully bribing referees was in Germany and that was not with a club involved but a betting syndicate. In England there were significant cases of footballing bribery, with players getting banned for life, and also the infamous case of Olympic Marseilles in France. Surely singling out Italians and by omission, inferring that they are the only ones guilty of corruption in football, is in fact racism itself. Considering the infamous Herbert Norris was the grandfather of shady handshakes and footballing corruption, Arsenal fans ought to be cautious about throwing stones in glass houses.
EnglishSpur
to be honest LD....normal big clubs in Europe will have more experience players on their side! maybe just 3 or 4 young players waiting to come in! but if you want to win big stuff then you need experience! kids will not help you to win european honour for sure!
YTL
We had the best years of Henry and sold him for more than we paid - that's just good business. He wasn't good enough for us anymore. Will Barca win the CL? They probably won't win La Liga. Is he better off? Last week he was saying how much he would like to come back. Most teams don't win the CL very often if at all so chasing that particular pot of gold is a fool's errand. But we compete every year for the last 10/11 years so anyone joining our club knows that they at least have a better chance than those clubs that are do well one year and fail to qualify the next. Sure our players would like to win the trophy but only the stupid claim it provides anything more than a fleeting glory. Genuine Arsenal fans support their team because they like what they see and are intelligent enough to see beyond the hype. If you like music you don't necessarily need to see it at number one to appreciate it. And you shouldn't need the cheap reflected glory of claiming superiority by boasting on web forums to compensate for your own inferiority complex, pathetic insecurities and craving for acceptance just because your team or national side has some success.
Amos.
Didn't Alan Hansen once erroneously say you win nothing with kids? I'd prefer the remark of the late great Brian Clough, if you're good enough then you're old enough
EnglishSpur
WOW... I just thought I'd have a look through peoples comments on the Birmingham game and it seems I cant log on to Vital Arsenal at all... Instead, I keep getting someone called YTL's personal BLOG site. Is it not possible to shut this person up so we might fit in a few comments on the game?
KBGoon
Great, the original doppelganger is back. Englishspur, i know you're obsessed with me but I did not at any point at all, ever, even infer that Italians were the only ones guilty of bribery in football. I said they had a history of it, which is beared out by facts. F.C Porto and CSKA Moskva were also implicated in bribery scandals in 2006. In fact, Porto were found guilty but it was detemined that the game they fixed was a dead rubber game (Porto were already crowned champions). In fact, I even wrote explicitly (though I'm sure your myopia prevented you from seeing it), "I love Italy as a country." So, that throws your quite petty racism claim out the window son. But, I would say constantly picking up on my every turn of phrase in a desperate attempt to paint me as a racist, and then every time you are sussed out hiding for a few weeks before returning with fresh user name, but same old boring tired "opinions" is an example of idiocy and quite possibly paranoid schizophrenia. Get help.
Little Dutch
Good point EnglishSpur but you might have included a little about Terry Venables much more recent mismanagement and shady dealings at Spurs if you are genuinely interested in balance. You should indeed be careful when throwing stones in glass houses.
Amos.
That reminds me, who were the last Premiership side to be deducted points and get thrown out of the F.A. Cup?
Little Dutch
lol, just edit all of his comments with the saying : "Internazionale, biggest club in italy".
k_chelski
there was also match fixing scandals in Brazil as well, involving Boris B, corinthians(surprise,surprise), and the refs.
k_chelski
KBGoon...are you another racist? why shut me up? this is a forum ! so as long as your are talking football then you is ok! why need to shut me up!! I'm just telling you that Arsenal is not a big club in Europe!! didn't win anything!! "if you're good enough then you're old enough"so Ac Milan is the team that won many European stuff with their experience!! so which one better kids or experience?
YTL
Never claimed otherwise Amos and Little Dutch - I mentioned scandals involving both English and French football as well. Nowhere in the response to YTL was there a mention of any other country apart from Italy until the last belated response, when mention was made of other scandals. I cannot think that in the 4-0 stuffing of Barcelona that Milan stank ..... indeed the actual courts did not consider the issue one of bribery but a violation of sporting principles. It was not a case of bribing refs but trying to secure previously favourable refs to officiate in games.
EnglishSpur
Jesus mate hold your noise down. Someone learn him to talk propa english like wot we does.
AFC85Lew
But we were talking about Italian football, it would not have been appropriate to bring that up at all. Any more than it would be appropriate for me to bring up Tottenham Hotspur in a discussion about Champions League football.
Little Dutch
Interesting how whenever Little Dutch gets called out, he immediately resorts to some form of personal abuse ... rather pathetic really .. clearly he only enjoys blogs where no one will call him out for inaccurate or suspicious comments ... simply loving somewhere as a country does not mean you cannot negatively stereotype its inhabitants ... it was only the other week he was falsely claiming Gullit was sacked by Newcastle, when every available record including his own autobiography stated as fact that he resigned. How easy it is to state facts and then try to go way off the point to criticise others when it is demonstrated they were merely opinions
EnglishSpur
Your point wasn't what I was taking issue with. It was the fact that, correctly, saying that Italian football has had trouble with corruption made me a racist in your eyes. Gullit resigned because he had the balls to drop Shearer, Shearer whinged to the board and put pressure on Gullit to play him. The board told Gullit not to drop Shearer based on a discussion between Shearer and the board. I would say constantly trying to incorrectly paint somebody as a racist from a multitude of pseudonyms is about as base as "personal abuse" gets. I look forward to your next incarantion Sir kernowgromitziggystardust whatever
Little Dutch
Amos...I'm just telling you that Playing with Messi,Ronaldinho,eto,deco and puyol is much better than playing with kids!!! so even any players in this world would like to join a team like that mate!! so henry as well!!! playing with barca is better chance to win CL compare to playing with arsenal!!
YTL
Oh and please drop the sanctimonious public address, "it was only the other week he blah, blah, blah...." it looks like a desperate attempt to garner acceptance and is irritatingly supercilious to read. If you've got an issue with me, talk to me and drop the great statesman act.
Little Dutch
How do Barca have a better chance than us? They're in the same stage of the competition as us, that's the point of cup football, we both currently have an equal chance. Barca will only have a better chance than us if and when they progress and we do not. Currently, Henry is not playing with Messi, Ronaldinho, Puyol etc because he's injured. As has already been mentioned, only last week he was stating a desire to come back, while his President was decrying the fact that we had mugged them for his £16m transfer fee.
Little Dutch
arsenal fans- just accept that if any huge european club want to buy your players then I'm sure they will go!!... playing with Kaka,Inzaghi,Gattuso, Pirlo,Nesta,Kaladze etc for Milan or Deco.Ronaldinho,puyol,eto and messi for Barca. will be much better playing with kids that cannot win european stuff!
YTL
Another classy performance from the 12million flop.... Walnut has the leg speed of a cheetah and the brain speed of a slug.
sport
Gullit dropped Shearer for a derby game playing a inexperienced Sunderland supporting youngster in his place. Arrogance or stupidity? It was more the crowd baying for Gullit's blood that forced his hand - the conditions suited Ferguson/Shearer that night. Interesting Gullit resigned the next day, and as a plc, a board meeting would have had to have been called for this alleged discussion to have taken place. Is this another opinion dressed up as fact based on Little Dutch's hatred of Shearer, or does he think those 'hicks' at NUFC can break the LSE's rules? ..... What I find interesting is that even the facts around the Italian betting scandal have not been properly reported but have been twisted to imply something which in fact did not happen. As a point of note, how many referees were found guilty in the wake of the scandal, proving that the clubs involved were actually successful in influencing games?
EnglishSpur
if you are not arsenal fans then you will accept the fact that playing with more experience players are much better plus they are star players! so this is just normal for every footballer! plus huge stadium as well! so......
YTL
But he has at least one more dimension than Aaron Lennon.
Little Dutch
Sport, you forgot to mention that he also has the hand of God.
Little Dutch
Since when are Porto, Monaco, Valencia, Liverpool and Bayer Leverkusen, big names? They have won or reached the final of the CL in recent years without a massive stadium or big star names that have been bought to swell their ranks
EnglishSpur
Ferguson had been injured and the Sunderland game was his first back, so he was only fit for the bench. What Gullit saw is that Shearer is a bit like Steven Gerrard, a player of not inconsiderable talent who is let down by an enormous ego which inhibits every team that has housed it. He was holding Newcastle back with his selfish instincts, much like Henry began to in an Arsenal shirt. (When I put that in an article in June, you called it "pathetic and nauseating"), Gullit called it and their fans went mental because, like a Northern version of Tottenham, their support is generally deluded. Gullit resigned the next day with Shearer having gone to members of the board that night, I would chance that there was plenty of time for contact to have been made in the intervening twelve hours between the match and the resignation. I haven't reported or twisted any facts surrounding the Serie A scandal, only that Milan were implicated and punished. The twisting and manipulation is coming from one person here (albeit one person with many alter egos). I never said that any referees were found guilty, where did you get that from?
Little Dutch
arsenal fans just deluded! just accept the fact that you are not big enough in europe!! just talking but can't do anything on the field!! stop talking and show me your trophy!
YTL
You implied that ACMilan tried to bribe to win the CL and WCC - in most cases this must involve referees. Exactly what proof do you have that Shearer contacted any board members that night? Gullit called it so well it resulted in a 2-1 home defeat. Shearer didn't have to do anything ... Gullit had dug a hole only he could climb out of once defeat had occured and indeed Shearer did more than anyone that night to try to rescue the result ... - after all, not too long ago you were saying how Gullit was sacked ..... and that Shearer had got him sacked ..... well which is it?
EnglishSpur
YTL.... would it not be a good idea to save your comments until after the next round of the CL? Or are you too worried that by then you wont have anything to fuel your opinions?
KBGoon
At least one Italian referee was banned for a number of years as a consequence of the Italian 'match fixing' scandal. As for Arsenal being big in Europe ES made the point for me but it is only very recently that Arsenal have risen to be the 3rd or 4th wealthiest club in world football. We can count the trophies as we go along but knocking us now just betrays the fear of what we can achieve in the future. Arsenal fans are used to other clubs supporters telling us how good they were in the past. Now it seems to have taken on a European dimension - they must be getting nervous.
Amos.
LD...AC MILAN beat MU, Bayern and Liverpool to win the CL! so all those games were bribe as well? bribe who? players or clubs? of course not cos you need to bribe million million of pounds then, cos those clubs are so rich!! no point to win the CL and bribe 3 top clubs with million million of pounds?are you nut?if players then you need to bribe 11 out field players? and those players are earning so much every week! so Milan need to pay them million million of pounds? are you dumb? then the last chance will be the ref!! so if you have any proof then please send your proof to FIFA now!!! and get your reward in return!!
YTL
Huh? No I didn't. I said that Milan were implicated in a bribing scandal, I didn't say they had bribed referees to win the Champions League. I will say that it was a disgrace that they were allowed to compete in the competition having been involved in such an unseamly situation, the fact that they went on to win it was a real shame for football. Re: Gullit, the club line would have pointed to a resignation, but he clearly jumped before he was pushed. The Shearer allegation was made by Gullit and Shearer has always refused to answer any questions about it, such is his cowardly manner. Basically, Shearer forced Gullit out. Whatever the murder weapon was, it had Shearer's fingerprints all over it, whether it was a bullet in his head or a knife in his back.
Little Dutch
LD are you not concerned by walnuts performances or do you get turned on by a player who constantly gives away possesion (see Diaby article)
sport
LD - you just jealous that we won the CL!!! to be honest on the field we are better ! even players vs players as well!...I will give you a chance to match your players and Milan players! Fabregas vs Kaka? well....how can I tell you? no need then cos kaka just too good for fabregas to match! Inzaghi vs adebayor or van persie? well....top european goals scorer vs an unknown player in europe? hahaha this is a joke then! Nesta vs sendoros or toure? huh another waste of time to compare cos everyone in this world will know Nesta is much better than both of your CB!! the only department that I think you can match us is GK! fair enough though. so 3-1! Milan beat you players v players dude!
YTL
LD - how about european trophy! Milan 8!! Arsenal? who? what? No? wanna compare then please compare....stadium? ok....85,000 vs what? hahaha.....
YTL
In Gullits resignation letter, he makes it clear that the two reasons are bad results and alledged harassment of his family. It is interesting that Shearer's predecessor as captain Robert Lee, was marginalised by Gullit. Lee said this was because he felt that as captain he had to present the players view and Gullits ego would not allow this. As Lee's successor, Shearer almost certainly did the same thing but when Gullit tried the same stunt with Shearer it came back and bit him as he chose the worst time to do it. Any board seeing a manager treating senior pro's in this way would act, independently of what any individual player might say. Shearer has said nothing, as it had nothing to do with him ... Gullit didn't make this allegation in his autobiography - and therefore who is the coward - the one spreading rumours or the one refusing to respond to them?
EnglishSpur
YTL, we will see in Feb/ March, this forum is really no place to make those judgements. If Milan outplay us and win over two legs, your assessment will be correct, but only then. Sport, I was simply pointing out the stupidity of a Spurs fan coming over here to taunt a player who scored a goal against you less than a week ago. Now, if you want to talk about Darren Bent.........
Little Dutch
The Care in the Community wardens must be on strike! We have all the nutters out now! Why not save the boasting until later YTL. If Milan beat us then fair enough they were good enough to do so and you can try to pretend that you had something to do with it - maybe it will make up for whatever it is you are lacking in your life. If not then you can go and hide under your pillow and try to pretend your world is still ok. As for sports continuing and increasingly desperate obsession with all things Walcott it's beginning to sound weirder by the day.
Amos.
Amos....this is nothing to do with Care Community in this network cos we are discussing football! and telling you the facts or opinion not abusive! we didn't use any bad words at all!! just pure football facts!
YTL
YTL - Either say something genuinely exciting or stop using '!' so frequently, i get the impression you've been up all night drinking red bull and sniffing powder.
AFC85Lew
LD....I'm telling you that come Feb/March you will know why kids can't win anything! well....MU already learned their lesson and I think is about time your kids need to learn as well! maybe we can show you how to win in europe!
YTL
But Gullit's dropping of Shearer was given one game, in the long term it might have done the player and the team very, very well, Shearer's ego did not allow that. The marginalisation of Lee was bad management by Gullit, dropping him/ not rating him is no crime, but relegating him to number 37 was a quite public put down.
Little Dutch
eh....AFC85Lew....are you jealous? that arsenal cannot even match Milan in term of players or stadium? even status! if you go on the street and ask a football fan(not arsenal or milan) then most of them will tell you Milan is better club
YTL
AC Milan don't have their own stadium they use Inters don't they? In any case whats the point of having an 85,000 seater stadium when your average attendance is not much more than 50,000.
Amos.
amos...are you jealous as well? or dumb? or maybe both? hahaha
YTL
come one arsenal fans just accept that Milan players are far more better than yours! in term of winning medals, experience, world cup winners! we have 10 world cups winner...any from arsenal?maybe 1? poor you!
YTL
Arsenal owns its own stadium - it doesn't have to rent it off the local council like Milan does - so why would I be jealous then?
Amos.
Amos! are you really dumb? milan renting the stadium from local council? hahaha are you really into football or what?
YTL
Really? All those world cup winners and only 12th in Serie A!! Perhaps you only have the old and cheap ones then?
Amos.
Make the most of it YTL, you'll be gone soon!!
Rocky7
Rocky7! I'm glad you are here...nevermind if you are racist then so be it cos I think I have enough already! thank for your reminder though
YTL
I am beginning see that you are dumb though - the San Siro is owned by the Municipality of Milan and rented by both Inter and AC Milan who are their tenants.
Amos.
please don't hide when milan teach you how to play football. I'll give you a buzz after the 2nd leg..so please come and wanna see you how you will ban me again and using all those frames? and then shut me out as a holigan?that need to go to school?poor you an uneducated person
YTL
AMos you are amazingly dumb! poor you
YTL
amos please go to milan and see it yourslef .....maybe you never being to oversea? or can't even speak any european languages?
YTL
Rocky7....you may ban me now! cos I have enough......but just because you are racist I guess.....then blamed people racist? how terrible
YTL
Amos, YOU are correct. The San Siro is owned by the Municipality of Milan and rented by both AC Milan and Internazionale. It has been suggested that both clubs are looking to build private stadiums but at present they don't own their own ground.
EnglishSpur
I travel and do business all over Europe including Italy and have been there a number of times including Milan. You can try to evade the point by changing the subject but everyone else can see straight through it. So - who is it that owns the San Siro then?
Amos.
YTL - You are been banned for racism, nothing else. We have people from all over the world on this site and everybody gets the same treatment. If any English members of this network refered to people as "Black Cow Players" then they would be banned also.
Rocky7
I think YTL is the same turd who last week was commenting as "Cannavaro" being a rasict **** and calling our players "Black Cows'
WouldYouBelieveIt?!
just checking! Hello Rocky7?!
YTL
YTL... you just never give in do you?
KBGoon
Rocky7 you are racist!! cos just cannot accept foreigner! and then blame people for various stuff..nevermind I'm still here though...so..not sure what happen to you rocky7....but anyway thank you for your time cos I think you have been trying to ban me since earlier today must be busy then! poor you.! cos you are the one that cannot accept opinions!and are racist toward other races!!..anyway I have enough here and you may do whatever you like BYE BYE
YTL
Aah... this is starting to get funny. Luigi is a persistent fella.
k_chelski
Come on now Kev, you know Brazilians aren't welcome here :-)
Little Dutch
*that
G4L
man what was a waste of time and space... and you lads, why you even bother responding to this classic example of a moron (of a teenager) with nothing else to do but wind-up people and accidentally insult them: the poor kid doesn't even know what racism really means. I can imagine him with his friends arguing (while skipping classes) who is better: Milan, Inter, Juventus...
G4L
Careful LD, that racist branding will loom up and bite ya lol
KBGoon
LD, why is it? Is the wax too expensive over there? lol
k_chelski
It strikes me as weird how these people had so much time to come and say stupid things. Even I had watched the Milan game last night. Weren't there better things to do than try to argue something totally illogical? I say LD and Rocky, forget it, these guys (or one guy disguised as 2 or 3 guys, bcos he has some multiple personality disorder) are not worth your time and energy.
Lou the Gunneress
Let me stir you gents and hopefully ladies back to the matter at hand...pay no mind to people who are on here discussing irrelevant topics...... One reason that ManU could afford to lose twice to Arsenal and still win the PL last season was that they didn't drop many cheap points against the type like the Brums. I do hope we are not reverting to type but we have smelled a whiff of the cup now and its our to win or loose...an article i came across stated that the team could probably afford to drop a some more points and still finish on top...that is not the case. I dont see Manu dropping too may points. Chelski neither....I think the only way we can shut the silly talks up is by proving that we can win cups.
number14
With the likes of Walnut and Diaby in your team you have no chance at all, they look so out of place amongst the likes of fiberglass hleb etc. A team with title aspirations cannot afford to have passengers and these two fall right into that category. ManU will walk the league, Fergie has assembled his best ever team, they have match winners all throughout the team. Chelsea will be second as they have been quite brilliant over the past 2months even with half their squad missing. So its 3rd place at best for you mugs.........
sport
and 14th for u...small consolation tho
number14
ManU have already dropped cheap points to Reading, West Ham and Bolton. We shouldn't (just yet anyway) use the Brum to indicate anything more about us than the Reading, West Ham and Bolton games tell you about ManU.
Amos.
hav a look at this article.. its quite good... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7184076.stm
arsenalrulz4ever
Sport, Walcott and Diaby are subs for a reason - not as good as the likes of Cesc and Hleb. ManU and Chelsea have more experienced players outside of their starting XI, true. Duh! But the way to the title is to keep accumulating 3 points after 3 points. Anyone could drop points somewhere (I'm sure you know it better than we do) - well said on that Amos. What's the fuss about our title chase while you still have to figure out how not to concede an average of 2.1 goals per home game and rely on Berbatov's hat-trick to try to get past, er, Reading? I wouldn't have come to gloat if I were you.
Lou the Gunneress
Thanks Arsenalrulz4ever, it's a good article, worth a read.
Lou the Gunneress
How does that old football song go again??? "And it's all gone quiet over there............."
Rocky7
Coming back to the game, it was an average performance from some players (Theo, Ade 2nd half). This is not the 1st game of such complacency - sunderland earlier in the season should have been an alarm. And thats why this performance is more disappointing.
prits
I think I held my breath reading most of that. Tension rising wildly. Anyway, after breathing out, I am intensely disappointed, though not as much as Arsene must be. This was most certainly 2 points dropped, we have to win these games especially at home. I really hope we can bounce back and take all three come the game at Fulham.
Gunnerman
I have to say that YTL has a point...
The Tailor
well quite a few actually... 7 Euro Cups for Milan and 4 World Cups for Italy as well as 17 League Titles for his team Milan...
The Tailor
YTL your a legend!!
cockeril
so rocky7, LD do you think Walnut is better than Inzaghi? I am not sure any of you answered Cannavaro? Or was it Van perise or Adebayor.. couldn't see the screen as I was laughing so much.. you gotta admit he does have a point though right?
The Tailor
YTL also had a lot to say about the amount of black players Arsenal have on their books in a past incarnation. Not such a legend really, more a misguided nationalistic idiot stuck in a bygone age.
Little Dutch
LD - don't pull that card on us.. the comments on this page don't reflect that (I assume they were deleted). If he was racist then he was out of order but he still made many valid footballing points... to be fair to Cannavaro/YTL or whoever he is he has never been racist on the Spurs site (not excusing it but just making the point that he may have been misunderstood down to language barrier).. you guys gave him quite alot of stick about being Italian and corruption as well so not sure you have come out smelling of roses...
The Tailor
Anyway - i am out of here as I don't tend to bother commenting on anything on your site normally..
The Tailor
Strange to see Spuds supporting footballing 'points' based on number of trophies won. They usually tend to avoid such discussions like the plague.
Amos.
We did answer his point, we said we'll see who the best side is when we play each other. Whoever wins will do so because they deserve to. This may be an alien concept for a Spurs fan, but it's not really a good idea to go boasting before a ball is kicked, the potential for egg on face is huge. For instance, when certain North London clubs buy average strikers for loadsa dosh and instantly exclaim themselves as the new power in said territory. Milan are a bigger club than Arsenal, no doubt, we're getting there though, a fact which is exemplified by the fear he seems to hold for us. How is saying that Italian football and A.C. Milan have had recent and past problems with corruption being racist? It's bona fide fact. Now, enjoy your UEFA Cup tie against that French side whose name I have forgotten and good luck in your battle against relegation.
Little Dutch
does anbody here, like me, believe that YTL is a spurs fan trying to wind you all up ??? Cant understand why you are even acknowledging him.
IrishGoon
its funny to see the comments having read the article..no link whatsoever..and the best part is ytl ripping u guys apart..he must have said "arsenal are not a big club" atleast some 20 times..anyways,although you guys are the one of the powerhouses in england,you lot are still a smaller club than milan..it will be tough but one can never say with arsenal.just hope gattuso doesnt rip fibreglass apart the same way ronaldo was last year..
Spurs_fan_from_india
Yeah, I think YTL isn't really from Italy, let alone a Milan fan. He doesn't even acknowledge the fact that Inter and AC Milan have been groundsharing for decades already, and because the stadium is owned by the city government, renovations done by the two clubs must have permission from the city council first. Well, if what YTL is doing is "ripping us apart", then logically responding and explaining properly is "overkill"?
entropy13
Flamini might have something to say about Gattuso ripping Cesc apart, Id be s*@tting myself good and proper if it was Jenas lining up next to cesc tho (Or Huddle20stone or Bobby Zakora or Shoulder pads Boateng or.....Tainio)
iceman10
IrishGoon, there is a very good reason for that, they are not all that bright this side of the fence, have a read through some of the salient points discussed (1) - Arsenal (NO trophies of any kind in 4 years) are bigger than Europes elite...umm. (2) - Henry and Viera were sold with the CLUBS intent....errr no they wanted out for the reasons YTL stated, realistic Champs League chance. (3) - Henry wants to come back to a 'better' club.......or could it be that he can't get in the team and is out of his depth. (4) - International football is meaningless and no Arsenal fans ever cheer on the national side with the rest of us (sure sounds like a fairweather fan if ever i heard one, where would you be if Arsenal have a bad run?)Come on guys, even the most deluded of you CANNOT argue with any of these points, or can you not take the stick you expect us all to take. BTW....your usual anti Spurs rhetoric in your replies, will only reinforce your lack of ability argue the above.
Scott Spur
Jeez, nobody denies Milan are a bigger club than Arsenal, but we're moving towards that plateau. Scott, the F.A Cup win was in 2005, I'd have a recount. If that piece of arithmetic troubles you, I won't even ask how long it's been since the Spuds won anything (NB, the Peace Cup doesn't count). Secondly, he kept saying that Arsenal needed Italians to show us how to play football, despite being given a plethora of examples of Arsenal thrashing Italian teams. Thirdly, once this point finally got to him, he brought up the national team, ignoring the fact that, yes, Arsenal fans in general couldn't give a stuff about England. Our connections with the England and Italy set ups is incredibly patry, our fourth choice keeper is Italian and we have two English players in the first team squad, so his point was irrelevant. The reason I couldn't give a stuff about England is because I'm intelligent enough to know when I love something and when I don't, I won't pretend to gratify newspapers, I'm not one of Pavlov's Dogs, my apathy has nothing to do with a lack of success for England, it's because I simply don't care, about England or any national team. Would you fall in love with a girl just because someone told you she lived next door to you so you might as well? Vieira admitted he was forced out because Arsenal expressed no desire to keep him when Juve rolled up. Vieira and Henry have both endured injury ridden spells at their new clubs and are shadows of the players they once were. Neither has won a European trophy in their time away from Arsenal.
Little Dutch
Oh come on, Juve did not just 'roll up' for Vieira. Both Vieira and Henry were making noises about leaving wayyy before they were actually sold, Arsenal just ceded to their wishes in an apparently 'mutual' manner. You are correct that they have not performed as well abroad, yet is that not because they are past their best (or just injured), they are now smaller fish in a bigger pond, maybe not getting the run of games all players need to excell.
Scott Spur
As for the lack of interest in the England team, correct me if i am wrong, but i commonly find this is an attitude displayed by fans of relatively successful domestic teams that find the inconsistency of Englands form frustrating. Couple that with Arsenals lack of English playing staff and you get a set of fans who only follow their club. The thing i find interesting is, where will these fans be if England make the World Cup final, or their own teams hit a bad patch?
Scott Spur
so Scott Spur you did your recount on points 1 and 2? I have not read a comment from an Arsenal fan saying that we're bigger than Milan. After leaving, Vieira, Henry, Campbell, Overmars, Petit didn't really win the champs league, did they? The only one that has had some sort of success is Anelka whose only trophy in his pikeyish career has been in the first year with Madrid. I find it amusing when you sp*rs fans talk about Arsenal's 'failures' re trophies, buying and keeping players...
G4L
If you were to take the trouble to check Vieiras autobiography you will find that he had decided he wanted to stay after turning down Real Madrid and only left when it was made clear to him by Dein that the club were 'neutral' about him staying having received an offer from Juve. It's a matter of public record. As for Henry going - he had also signed a new contract the season before he departed. It was his desire to go and he went with Wenger and the clubs blessing willing to release him from his contract. It suited us both. Again, despite your protestations, both players have had a poor record of injury since leaving and undeniably the peak years of both are now behind them. A good number of Arsenal fans will support their national teams enthusiastically. I don't imagine it is really any different from Spud fans or any other set of supporters. By the same token a good many, myself included, couldn't care less yet have no problem with those who do. That doesn't make me or anyone else a fairweather fan. There is absolutely no logic in such a point. On the other hand to claim that the success of a national team somehow can provide solace if your club team is going through a bad run is about as descriptive of 'fairweather' support as you can get. If my club is going through a bad patch, as I have done in the past, I'll still be there supporting them not running off to find comfort somewhere else.
Amos.
Scott Spur: Would there even be any Spurs player from your own academy in the English squad after 5 years? http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_3047737,00.html
entropy13
Vieira and Henry smaller fish in a bigger pond? In Barca, only Henry holds the record for being the top goalscorer for his respective nation. In Inter, Vieira's the only current captain of his national team, along with Zanetti (who is Argentina's and Inter's captain).
entropy13
Oh look, the spuddies are back! Crawling out of the woodwork like the little worms they are because they think they actually have a chance to make some criticism of Arsenal stick! If you lot agree with YTL/Cannavaro then one need say no more, as we have an accurate picture of what you are about. Not one single gooner on this site has claimed that Arsenal are a big club in Europe, so what the **** are you debating? We do however, have a great young squad and great ambition, are at the top of our game and have been at the top of the league for most of this season. We are exciting to watch (most of the time) and all spurs fans i know secretly wish that spurs was as good and successful a club as Arsenal. Let me repeat someting i said earlier - you spurs fans remind me of the little kid in the playground who fancies a girl, but doesn't have a clue how to tell her, so instead of telling her how he feels, he pulls her hair and makes fun of her! Admit it, you secretly love the Arsenal, which is why you are here. As for YTL, you are a spud in disguise. Anyway, just shut up until after the game will you, when our youngsters trounce AC Milan like they did Real and Juve last year. If we lose, then you have a right to brag - until then, just hold yoru horses.
Cesky
iceman 10 "Flamini might have something to say about Gattuso ripping Cesc apart" - hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha - that is absolutely brilliant... hahahaha - stop it please!! Flamini - hahahahaha - he's about as hard as a marsh mallow... jeez, I can't stop laughing... pure genius...
The Tailor
As for Englishspur, you are the most anallyretentive individual i have ever had the misfortune to come across. I have had some enjoyable banter with some of the other spurs fans, and there are some of you whose opinions and conduct i can respect, however, having read through the above posts, and the pointless manner of your (non)contribution leads me to believe ES, that you have relationship issues, you have no life and no friends other than your computer and yoru right/left hand (delete as appropriate). GET A LIFE!!!
Cesky
Tailor, i'd like to see you say that to his face. Do you not know he is hard as nails. Gattuso on the other hand, like Sampson seems to draw his reputation as a hard man from the fact that he has never seen soap and a razor. I bet he grows a beard because he is a chinless wonder underneath that bush! Have you never watched italian football - i've seen him rolling around on the floor like a little girl before, like a lot of his compatriots have a tendency to do.
Cesky
now cesky you are just being stupid.. Italy are the World Champions so you should show a little respect! You will also find (if you bothered to look) that the likes of Shearer, Michael Owen, Lampard etc like a little roll around too.. Now that said, what makes your last post even more ridiculous is that your players are the among the biggest culprits - Hleb, Rosicky, Adebayor, Fibreglass, Flamini, Eboue (the king of simulation) etc... and in the past Pires, Ljungberg - now, I would suggest you stop throwing the stones before you have no glass left to break!
The Tailor
arscum are the biggest underachievers in the champions league bar none,they have had a few goes at it as well, as for them having hard players? im still laughing at fabregas bouncing off of john terry and being hurt from ashley coles slap, petulance isnt hard although you think it is!!
springy
And cesky I would say it to his face - quite simply I know my history and the French are far from formidable! Let's be honest they surrender to anyone and everyone at the first opportunity and I expect he is no different!
The Tailor
I didn't say they weren't Tailor - its you who is on the defensive you knobbly spud! WHy should i show any respect to anybody who i don't think deserves it (as i said i watch italian football and am not impressed), least of all you, coming onto our site and trying the wind up - if you can't take a tonuge in cheek comment, and resort to calling me names, i suggest you think twice before posting comemnts about respect and glass houses.
Cesky
Just how boring can it be on the spuds site? i can only assume that their constant crying to each other over being such losers gets to them all eventually. i cant see any other reason why they would want to spend so much of their time over here. ohhh my mistake, there is one reason. they have to visit other sites to find any discussion at all about the champions league. hahaha
KBGoon
G4 - no recount necessary, ok i was a year out, one missed FA cup victory in 2005, but fact remains you've won same as us in three, zip. As for the players who left, my point was, if you care to see, that you lot seem to be saying anyone who leaves is past their best anyway. You can't seem to accept that the players want to leave to further their careers at other bigger clubs, with more chances of winning the CL than you. Whether they do or not is irrelevant, but that was the intention when they left.
Scott Spur
Scott now i have to comment. We have won zip in three just like you..but hey wouldnt you gladly exchange positions with us? Manu went how many years without winning much- cant rememeber now. so i guess that makes you almost as good as them also. Hmm...Real Madrid too. Stop Trying to justify or explain away your mediocrity. Manu/Real/AC might be bigger and more succesful than Arsenal but beside Spurs Arsenal is golden....end of discussion.
number14
You still struggle with basic arithmetic then Scottspur. What was that about not being so bright this side of the fence? Let me take you through it slowly. We last won a trophy in the season ended '05. We failed to win anything in the seasons ending '06 and '07 (though we did appear in finals in both seasons). So we have so far failed to win in 2 seasons not 3 - this being the third and not yet concluded. I can happily accept that players will want to leave Arsenal for a variety of reasons. I don't really regret the departure of any of them and with the benefit of hindsight we have little reason to do so. I guess you will be similarly sanguine about the departure of Berbatov who wishes to join a bigger club that competes regularly in the CL.
Amos.
Amos - 'it suited us both' .....LMAO Get real mate!! Your lots whinging when Henry left was there for all to see. He may of been playing below par, but only because he wanted out. As for your claims as to not being 'fairweather', tell me about the great reputation your ground has of getting behind its team when they are losing?.....err, not its not called 'the library' for nothing. Against us in the first leg you could of sworn your lot went home at half time, so dont tell me you aren't 'fickle' in the truest sense of the word. England aren't good enough, you cant be bothered, English players aren't good enough, so don't bother, team not playing as you wish, go home.........fairweather mate, fact.
Scott Spur
The Tailor the only Comedy is your pure lack of football knowledge. Flamini has been excellent this year where as the hard man that is Gattuso has been p!ss poor in Serie A as Milan have struggled.
iceman10
I can really understand an AC fan saying these things about Arsenal...they can take the p*iss out of us...but what we have achieved only in last 10yrs Spur havnt in their whole history. AC/Real have been fantastic...but what we have done we have done in style...no Spurs fan has earned the right to throw jibes at Arsenal dudes...we all know it. As for more successful clubs...congrats...but have the potential to get to the top and we are getting there.
number14
number14 - glad you chipped in, we all were waiting with baited breath for your wisdom!! Nobody is disagreeing with you, but maybe players you once had, left for other 'more successful' teams, thats all.
Scott Spur
When someone has to put 'fact' after an opinion you know they are struggling. Of course it suited us to let Henry go whatever concern there might have been at the time. The evidence is there for all to see and as for playing below par - he is still doing so - check out the Barca blogs. Getting behind the fans when losing at home eh? Check out the pictures at WHL with the spuds streaming out before the end of the game this season when we beat you 3-1. There's your fairweather fans for you.
Amos.
Amos, i have a (minor) issue with your comments about Greece winning the Euro's above - i watched every game they played in that competition, and it was more so their discipline, some good headers and less so the luck that led them to lift the trophy. They had a hard draw mate - France, Portugal (twice) and their Captain was named Uefa's player of eth year. I hope i misread your comment about people with mouths bigger than their brains in this respect. Other than that, agree with you, and i certainly don't think a little club like spuds can hold on to abig player like Berbatov for much longer.
Cesky
number14 - so what club you follow actually gives you the right to have an opinion on another club or football in general does it?? Hmmm thats a very fine line of reasoning you tread mate.
Scott Spur
Amos - Since when have Spurs had much 'fairweather' to speak of in recent times??? How the hell can you level that one??
Scott Spur
Cesky - I was waiting for that one, was suprised it took this long. And, yes.....direct case in point, no argument there. My point is, it has happened to you guys too, it may happen again, but we at least recognise it......some here don't.
Scott Spur
Scott, you are entitled to an opinion, but you are coming onto an Arsenal site trying to stir it up, so n14 is entitled to point out you have no recent history that even comes close to ours, and therefore little right of audience for yoru opinions. So whilst you try and wind us up, we are actually laughing at you all the way (to Wembley)!
Cesky
hahaha........it seems to be working, for once & we will have to see about Wembley, but it would not suprise me at all!!
Scott Spur
Have just read your last post Scott. without disrespectimng your valued opinion ;-) i must say that i disgree, We have ambition - no club is guaranteed success, so when a player chooses to go to a club, he does look at history, but more importantly, current form and ambition. We were in the final recently, and will be looking to go one up on that. I don't think Henry and Viera left to further their Champions league ambitions, but players who have that ambition will certainly consider joining Arsenal.
Cesky
lol Scott - i seem to be one post behind!
Cesky
Thank you Cesky...Scott, it is your right to have an opinion but be objective about it and stop comparing us to "the big clubs". Read what i said, "no Spurs fan has earned the right to throw jibes at Arsenal ". If you want to comment about Arsenal then go ahead talk about other stuff....because laughing at us or making silly jibes is an at us is an admission of your own ineptituide...like I said beside Spurs, "Arsenal is golden".
number14
ok for real, they wanted a change.....probably warmer Wednesday nights away. The thing that puzzled me most, was the contrasting form in the league and in CL, one good the other poor, then the complete reverse the next season. I think that had something to with it also, a little frustration of being able to perform so high in one area but not in the other?
Scott Spur
maybe we should compare Spurs to "the big clubs" for once and see how they measure up...hmmm nice thot
number14
n14 - that will never happen and you know it, both ways.
Scott Spur
n14- this isn't about us, its about you for a change
Scott Spur
yep...because we can only compare you guys to the likes of Everton, Man City...etc. So cut us some slack - we have earned the right to hold our heads high - albeit not as high as the "big clubs" but high enough not to be ashamed of ourselves. WAIT YOUR TURN...
number14
Possibly Scott, frustration would likely have been there due to the inconsistency. As a gooner though i have to say that Wenger was right to sell, whatever the reasons, because of the team that he is putting together now. I don't think there was room for our former superstars any longer, so it was for the best.
Cesky
Your welcome number14. ALthough i think Everton and Man Citeh are actually rather good! ;-)
Cesky
Seriously too Henry was past hsi prime. Veira too. I can imagin them living up to the standards they had at Arsenal....and seriously a player putting in 8-10 years of his best years into a club is surely adequate. What more can we ask for?
number14
*cant imagin
number14
Boy this is fun but i must say spurs fans coming on here trying to wind people up is funny. If anyone goes on their site and does not agree with their opinion they get slated and told to f off back to their own site.
SHOE HAMMER
ok....enough, laters guys
Scott Spur
*imagine...lol
number14
The difference in league performances and CL is not unique to Arsenal. Both Milan and Liverpool won the CL while performing relatively poorly in their Leagues. Statistically you probably stand more chance of winning the trophy if you join a club that will compete in the CL but not challenge in their domestic league. Cesky Greece won the European Championship and I take nothing away from them. Does that make them the best national team in Europe as a consequence? I don't think so. My only point was that the best team doesn't always win knockout tournaments. Other factors come into play and cup competitions aren't as good an indicator of quality as league competitions.
Amos.
thanks Scott...feel free to drop by later
number14
See you soon Scott. Amos thanks for replying. I would certainly not say that Greece are the best team in Europe, but felt the need to point out their win was not just 'lucky'. Agree with you K, thats why i took issue with the Greece point - it was such a good achievement for that very reason that they were the underdogs.
Cesky
i have just managed to pick myself up off the floor from laughing.... the spuds have the audacity to come here trying to wind us up on wether or not we are a big club and the latest post from JD on their site is all about the BIG tough game they have coming at wait for it....Reading. You'd think is was the CL final they were talking about. i dunno about not in our league, they're not even on the same planet
KBGoon
Scott Spur, did u really write:"ok i was a year out, one missed FA cup victory in 2005, but fact remains you've won same as us in three, zip." any chance of you rewinding just a few decades more and doing the same comparison? the infamous 'big club in Europe' debate here was started by an allegedly italian moron who repeated the same thing every time he was put in his place by LD, R7... we all agree AFC is not on the same level as Madrid, Milan and Bayern in Europe (in terms of trophies), but AFC is working hard to get there and there are a lot of numbers, coefficients, records, profits to back that claim. After Jol's hard work getting you close to the top 4, you lot have taken a giant stride back. I guess bitterness and envy are much stronger to take, so you have to come here and talk and try to knock down the Arsenal, your rivals who you have not beaten in 21 games in all competitions. Jolly. First it was three years with no trophies, then our players wanting to leave, then the best stadium in England, the fans... clutching straws? Any half-objective person will realize that TH leaving was a marvelous piece of business (sciatic nerve comes to mind), although he was and is still perceived as a legend here. Can't say exactly the same about Carrick, can you? PV4, as well - he's won a couple of titles (one via administrative ways) - no CL yet, not even a final. So I suggest you quit your petty, ***** poor digs at the club you lot aspire to reach - the Arsenal - and focus on the issues at the Lane. There is quite a lot of them. Cheers.
G4L
Spurs fans - laughable. You have given me a chuckle, I must say. You sad, deluded gaggle of knob-rags. Have fun being SECOND BEST NOW AND ALWAYS ;-D
Moorish
Scott Spur, so on one hand you deride us for not having won anything for a number of years (a number you seem to have trouble calculating), yet then call us glory hunters? If you want to play the "who's a proper fan" game, this Saturday's fixture at Fulham marks six years since i missed a domestic game invokving Arsenal. To claim I am a glory hunter because I am intelligent enough to have my own mind is a quite desperate argument. If England ever make it to the World Cup Final (which is a hypothesis as laughable as suggesting Spurs might win the Premiership), I will watch without any strong feelings whether they win or not. I felt the same towards the ashes and this year's rugby world cup final. In fact, when England won the rugby world cup in 2003, I didn't see any of it because I was on my way to a fixture at Birmingham away. If you think a poor atmosphere is exclusive to Arsenal you are even more deluded than I thought, every Prem ground has a *****e atmos, yours included, atmosphere is merely a thing of the past in top flight football. As for Henry's departure, check out this article I wrote the day after he left http://www.arsenal.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=70941
Little Dutch
dont forget Denmark...they werent exactly a euro power house,also didnt Vieira come from AC-milan to Arsenal and Henry from Juve,and Fabregas from Barca,which means what?? Arsenal and the EPL is an attractive place to further your career,and when its time to wind down and collect your pension,you go for that last golden payday.
fran merida
Cesky- you are the defensive one. I didn't call you a "name".. I said you were BEING stupid and not that you WERE stupid.. Now if you can't understand the subtle difference then we are going to struggle to communicate here...
The Tailor
so now all spurs fans have folded their Barca shirts away and put them in the cupboard,they can get their A-C milan shirts out and wear them with pride,give them something to cheer about...good for you..
fran merida
Second best! - if only. But Scottspur is also wrong in that there are fairweather periods for Spurs every season. Sadly it is only the period between when one season ends and another begins. Then everything is possible. A few million spent on some ready made proven star, a new dawn fresh tactics, King recovered from his injury and the CL beckons. The next season is the one when they end above Arsenal!!! Berbatov will have gone by then of course. So - if not - then the season after - maybe they'll get a couple of million back on Bent so that will be the season when it all comes good. Or - if not then the season after perhaps??? I know -2011- that got to be it .....the year end's in one!!! That's when it will all happen!! ....glory, glory tottenham hotspur - won't it??
Amos.
LD methinks its time to drop the topic anyhow...besides Scott has given up. He obviously gets the point. I just hope we can show how much we have as a team this year and win some silverware. It was pretty much an "impossible" thing from most points of views...but Arsene Knows - and here we are real contenders...in a position Spurs can only dream of
number14
for what it's worth I happen to think that Italy deserved to win the WC.. They beat the hosts Germany in Dortmund (a place Germany had never lost a competitive match) and France in the final after progressing from a tough group which included Czech Republic (3-0), Ghana (2-0) and the USA (1-1). Iceman - you're right because Gattuso won the WC with Italy in pre-season and the CL in May with AC Milan.. I am sure he is really bothered by your criticism and I can see how you can compare him with Flamini... Get real.
The Tailor
All I said is Flamini aint gonna have it if Gattuso trys to rough up our players and believe me he wont. Just like when your boys tried it at matchbox lane.
iceman10
Hello!! to all arsenal fans! and deluded people that cannot accept arsenal is a small club and then banned a foreigner(racist) from this forum because this person just making pure and simple facts! but unfortunately many people especially arsenal fans just hate the actual facts! well....why oh why.....now I can see outsiders also joined this forum and debating this issue as well!! fortunately those people are nice and agreed my points! so.......still disagree about arsenal is a small club in europe? this is insane!! why just say YES we are a small club in europe! cos you are the small club in europe!! just open the football history books and read you dumb! Ok I give you a chance arsenal fans...let see.... we won so many european stuff.... we are the king in europe for many occasion where is arsenal then? playing in the cup winners cup? hahaha *****e cup anywhere! any european top prize?just show it to me then! how about our legend! Marco Van basten, Franco Baresi, Roberto Baggio,Gullit, Rijkaard,Jean pierre papin,Maldini etc.....so wanna match with those legends! any legends from arsenal that can match them in term of winning medals and reputation? NO!!! next 2007 team ....wanna compare again? Flamini vs Gattuso? hahahah just some stupid people will think flamini is better than Gattuso!! I think only the deluded and waste of time people(arsenal fans) will think that!....come on please oh please just ask any football fans(not arsenal or milan) and they will tell you Gattuso is far better than Flamini!how can you compare Flamini with Gattuso?hmm.......school boy footballer vs world cup winner? hahahaha.....next Kaka v Fabregas? hmm......world player of the year vs nothing? yes nothing! no european medals whatsoever! so NOTHING! please players vs players no match at all even legends vs legends...just accept that we ac milan is miles ahead of this small village boy club that only dreaming of holding the CL or World cup!..keep dreaming now and forever!
LTY
Way to go Milan supporter - you at least make the Spuds sound balanced and objective. Have you figured out who owns your stadium yet? Not that there is anything wrong with being a council tenant though.
Amos.
Amos...I hope you can read Italian!! sincerley I hope you can...cos if you can read or speak italian then you will know more cos reading from your english translation site will not help you at all...no point discussing with you since you can't read italian and most of your info is just from english version.....so please go to Milan and then san siro and then ask the stadium manager.ok? I hope you can read all those articles then you will know..thanks let me know your next trip to milan when you are reading to read proper stuff!
LTY
go kick the ball with your friends outside, I heard them talking Milan is 12th in Serie A, below the powerful Catania, Atalanta, Udinese, and the mighty Genoa. And stay away from stadiums in Italy, people die there for going to watch football.
G4L
I checked with friends in Italy yesterday. They tell me that the stadium is owned by the municipality of milan. But you think the stadium manager owns the stadium do you? Family business is it? It's a simple enough question whichever language you use. So you tell me then who owns the San Siro?
Amos.
ops I forgot to mention to you! how many european or world player of the year that play for many past and present? lost count?hahahah I bet!! only a true big clubs that can signed those players...if arsenal wanna sign our players than only dreaming I guess but if we want to sign arsenal players then very simple cos all your village boys will go for sure! cos playing with Kaka,Pirlo,Gattuso,ronaldo and co is much better playing with village boys!.....but I'm sure Our manager won't sign any village boys cos no point only waste of place.
LTY
the only waste of space here is you kiddo. Vai giocare con tuoi amici fuori.
G4L
LTY clearly has nothing better to do. Probably becuase he is a Spud and therefore has nothing much worth living for.
Moorish
Seriously...lets ignore YTL/LTY/cannovaro...there is no other way to handle this
number14
Sure Milan have an illustrious history but like all history it's in the past. Arsenal are still making their history. If you look at Milan in the years since Wenger started to develop our club then Milan has won 3 domestic titles and 1 domestic cup. On top of that they have won 2 CL trophies. In the same period Arsenal has also won 3 domestic league titles and 4 cup competitions. Although we haven't as yet won the CL we have competed every year and have appeared in a final. Your argument is that your CL trophies make you a bigger club. Maybe it does. Frankly it doesn't bother me that much. But then it also makes clubs like Porto, Dortmund, Leverkusen, Steua Bucharest, Marseille big clubs. I am happy that Arsenal are the club they are. I am confident that we will continue to make our history whatever happens this season. You seem to be desperateley unsure whether your teams future is as promising as you would wish. So it is necessary for you to shout as loudly as you just to convince yourself as much as anyone else. Now tell me - who owns the San Siro?
Amos.
Wanna speak italian G4L! cool...so please don't use any translation stuff to read the stuff below or ask your friends!! please don;t try to speak italian if you can't! I'm sure you are not italian...but I think you will force yourself cos just try to make a point for yourself I guess....will I'm happy cos someone at last try to type italian!! and for you Amos please try to read as well..since you have an italian friends...maybe your friends also can;t speak italian cos whatever they told you then you just said YES! cos you are dumb! try to do it yourself....something so simple also can't read and need to ask people! lol.....maybe village boys supporter will always be a village boy! poor you....so..I have enough here...since arsenal is such a small club full with village boys then I think fans also act like a village boy.......poor you deluded until became a village boys? Fino ad ora ho descritto i controlli basilari del pendolo. I successivi controlli verranno automaticamente programmati nei prossimi punti nel tuo Sistema Divinatorio. Quando avrai appreso l’uso di quanto descritto precedentemente, sarai sulla buona strada per apprendere la divinazione con il pendolo, e sarai quindi pronta per procedere. Ricorda che questo procedimento puo’ essere facilmente appreso, usando queste istruzioni; anche se per le prime volte e’ consigliabile, essere aiutati da un esperto rabdomante. Lo scopo della programmazione e’ di ottenere la massima precisione. Questo viene ottenuto stabilendo con il tuo Sistema Divinatorio delle convenzioni ed accordi che siano bilateralmente accettabili e prestabiliti; su questa base si interpreta il significato di parole, frasi, condizioni e i differenti movimenti del pendolo o di altri strumenti divinatori Ciao Ciao
LTY
For you Amos - Come suggerimento, per ora e per il futuro, cerca di trovare un posto che sia quieto, un posto dove puoi essere sola e che e’ piu’ confortevole per te, uno spazio che normalmente ti e’ disponibile allo stesso tempo, ogni giorno, per qualche minuto di pratica. Questo e’ quasi come prendere un appuntamento con il tuo Subconscio o Spiriti Guida. Il posto puo’ essere il tavolo della cucina di mattina presto, il letto la sera tardi, o qualsiasi altro momento o posto. Sembra che questo sia molto utile quando stai imparando a divinare. Se sei con altri rabdomanti (i rabdomandi esperti amano condividere un po’ delle loro energie divinatorie), o quando avrai sviluppato della esperienza, non sara’ piu’ cosi’ importante essere nel tuo posto speciale o tempo prestabilito.
LTY
For you G4L - La Rabdomanzia e’ l’antica arte di trovare acqua, minerali ed altre cose che sembrano avere una naturale energia magnetica, elettromagnetica, o forse un’altro tipo di energia da noi sconosciuta. Le energie che il corpo puo’ scoprire con i sensori innati, dimostrabili in laboratorio, non sono piu’misteriose del vedere, ascoltare o sentire, ma sembrano essere naturali a noi tutti. Come e’ vero con la musica, molte persone possono sviluppare una certa abilita’ avvicinandosi a questa disciplina con educazione e pratica.
LTY
so G4L and Amos.....can't read? cos you are THE VILLAGE BOYS! good bye ciao ciao
LTY
This fella really can't argue a point can he? How many of our questions have you actually answered? None. Every time you revert to this, "my dad can beat up your dad" type hollering. There's an old maxim that a wise man speaks when he has something to say and a fool speaks when he has to say something. Being able to form a cogent argument might get whatever point you have heard. Not just here, but in life in general.
Little Dutch
LD just for you -Una certa scena visiva puo’ causare una sensazione nel tuo stomaco e altre reazioni subconsce che possono rimanere nascoste. Puo’ essere che tali reazioni subconsce (per esempio prodotte da acqua o da altre fonti ), possono dare una reazione controllata dal subconscio rilevabile attraverso i numerosi tipi di strumenti per la rabdomanzia. Ciao ciao ^^ hahahaha
LTY
What label did you get that off? Lots of words but in any language the question is the same. So tell me - who owns the San Siro? Surely a devout Milan supporter must be able to answer that? Why are you running away from it?
Amos.
Lol, Karma LD? Luigi ain't gonna stop unless he is sued, or you lot start editing his comments.
k_chelski
sorry Amos...maybe you are dumb...I told you in italian that I won't speak with a village boy! that only listen to people..if people say yes then YES if people say NO then NO!! maybe you are a village boy then....I told you in italian since you are so good with contact in italy so try to read properly! again I will only speak with a football fans not a village boys ! understand..basically I told you everything in Italian but too dumb to read hahahaha so I'm off ciao ciao!!UNDERSTAND Ciao ciao? hahahah Lo scopo delle Associazioni dei Rabdomanti e’ di condividere esperienze, successi o insuccessi e di raccogliere informazioni su questo fenomeno. E’ uno svago molto stuzzicante ed attrae persone con menti aperte e penetranti. Questa ricerca ha portato a scoprire che noi siamo sensibili e rispondiamo a molte energie tenui. Lo strumento divinatorio sembra essere semplicemente una connessione tra il nostro sistema sensoriale e la nostra mente coscente. Viviamo in un mondo molto affascinante.
LTY
Any online translation program (try http://babelfish.altavista.com/) will tell you that this is all just random Italian text. How sad do you have to be when you can't even pretend to be Italian properly? So tell me Milan supporter - who owns the San Siro then?
Amos.
LTY you are really childish...i actually can't help laughing at just how silly you are
number14
Wow, I stand corrected, your debating skills are really beyond reproach. What relevance does any of that have? Kev, if we're talking karma, matey here might be in for a huge dose come early March at the San Siro. Wouldn't be the only night of fun I've had in rented accomodation!
Little Dutch
I write italian as good as you write English you poor sod. may I just add to lay off the sugar. Seems to work you up immensely.
G4L
Didn't last long did he? Tail between his legs whimpering like a beaten dog. All the Italian text was cut and pasted from http://www.lettertorobin.org/RBN_html/italian/RBN_10_4_Italian.html nothing at all to do with football but it is equal to LTYs knowledge of the subject.
Amos.
i thought as much...i used a translation tool and it made no sense...wow what a joker...hey TLY you still around. I was beginning to enjoy his brand of humor
number14
LOL Amos!! The kid is obviously high on sugar, and as LD said he could be in for some b1tchslapping from Mr. and Mrs karma come February.
G4L
LTY what an absolute pillock. I think the sun has damaged his brain. Mind you he is funny!!! because i cant understand anything he writes.
SHOE HAMMER
hahahaha..hilarious..i never imagine a people like him exist in this world..
my_gunners
His text concerned the ancient art of dowsing. Detecting the presence of water by use of a divining rod. An activity sometimes associated (perhaps unfairly) with sad, virginal anorak types, wearing beards, woolly socks, sandals and without any friends. Sounds about right.
Amos.
I have the sneaky feeling we haven't seen the last of him. ciao ciao (LMAO!)
G4L
So now tiny "top four" tottenham fans are pretending to be fans of other teams just so they can wind up properly? Oh my, I should start learning greek.
k_chelski
dont learn it...just copy some bs from some site and paste it
number14
kev, didn't u resort to using Portuguese at one point of time? I vaguely remember, but I think you did. Still, good point on the spuds.
G4L
The spuds have to pretend to be fans from other teams because they are having such a shocking season. Its the only way they can have a "go" at you guys. Just smash them in the carling cup so we can all give it to them next week.
SHOE HAMMER
Your right Amos, this is the translatio of his last post: The scope of the Associations of the Rabdomanti e' to share experiences, successes or failures and to collect information on this phenomenon. E' svago a much stimulating one and attracts persons with open minds and penetrating. This search has carried to discover that we are sensitive and answer to many tenuous energies. The divinatorio instrument simply seems to be a logon between our sensory system and our coscente mind. We live in a world a lot fascinating." He has obviously copied this out of somewhere without understanding what it means - what a no-life! i say give him no more credence by responding to his gibberish.
Cesky
"kev, didn't u resort to using Portuguese at one point of time?" Yes, but I correctly translated what I had said. ._.
k_chelski
Has anyone in the loop checked the IP address to see if its our old friend tonytime?
Cesky
K-chelski, LTY or whatever his name is has stated he is a milan fan and not only on this site but also on the spurs site. He cannot be attributed to spurs in any way shape or form. I was reading this topic and originally found it fairly funny but after about the 12th post from him it does get very boring. I know it may be hard and not everyone would do it but why dont you try ignoring him?? just a suggestion
spursfan4eva
In fact, it's probably Englishspur, who had the audacity to also logon under Englishspur and try to support LTY's arguments above.
Cesky
Thats why i think its a spurs fan 4eva, coz some of your lot actually tried supporting his arguments.
Cesky
Why should we ignore them? Most of his type get found out here at some time or another. It's a bit of fun - if a bit like pulling legs off spiders or wings from butterflies. Maybe you're right - it's cruel really I suppose.
Amos.
cesky, people attempting to support some of LTY's comments doesn't mean that he is a spurs fan. It is exactly the same as an arsenal fan coming onto the spurs site and a west ham fan trying to support their comments. It doesn't mean they are arsenal fans. Of course you can blame it on spurs fans or say he is a spurs fan in disguise if you wish but i would take a wider view if it were me. It was only an observation by the way
spursfan4eva
spursfan4eva, on the spurs site, he was very fond of the champion lea..eer ship tottenham. So I guess he is either - A) retarded , B) a 8 year old trying to pass as a foreigner to excuse his poor english. C) a spud.
k_chelski
k_chelski, not everyone that has a fondness for a second/third/fourth or even fifth club means they are a retard/8 year old or a fan of that particular club. It just means like i stated have a fondness for that club. Clearly you think he was a spurs fan and that is your right to have an opinion but if you look at LTY's post's on both this site and the spurs site you will see he mainly speaks of milan
spursfan4eva
aha - SH nice point.. Was it not Wet Spam supporters that celebrated like they had won the league when they stopped Spurs getting into the Champions league.. Most of you like Arsenal and that is only because you hate Spurs so much? Then you say we support other teams??.. man you talk so much cr4p and all you ever do is come onto other forums to air it.
The Tailor
true kev. didn't mean to offend you at all.
G4L
it's the same spuds fella, he knows he cant argue with us with his club, so he pretends to be a milan boy to wind us up. so lads please ignore him and dont react to his comments, this is been going on since sunday, lets leave the tiny totts alone..
luckys_10
Tailor - pot and kettle come to mind - here you are on our site, talking *****e while complaining about people airing their views on your forum! Double standards or what?
Cesky
Tailor you said to me YOU dont go on other sites what are you doing here???? Is the Spurs site tooooooo boring without me??? Or are you also a gunner??
SHOE HAMMER
To be fair to Kev he didn't say he definitely was a spud - simply that that was one of 3 possibilities. It is quite hard to be absolutely sure which of the 3 choices he could be.
Amos.
SH - you also say "just smash them in the CC so we can all give it to them next week" - how sad are you... it makes you one massive hypocrite!! And for the record Cannavaro, LTY or whoever is a Milan supporter so stop trying to link him to us becasue you have no come back to him.. You lot still haven't admitted that he has some good points! Maybe SH can defend his beloved Arsenal a little more..
The Tailor
Taior, only spurs fans spout as much st*te as LTY/Cannavaro, thats how we know he's s yid! ;-)
Cesky
Who are tottenham playing next in the Champions League, Lyon?Madrid?Barcelona.
k_chelski
When is the last time I was on here prior to this forum? The fact that all of you are regular Spurs site visitors is lost on you is it? SH you are chatting so much cr4p - you go to all sites because you are that sad. I simply came on here to see what all the fuss was about. Don't like it when it comes to you do you? But like your precious little team.
The Tailor
*bit like your precious little team*
The Tailor
lol K. I think the question is who will they be playing next season.. Burnley, Plymouth qpr etc!
Cesky
I have had some very decent discussions with some of the arsenal fans that post on here (little dutch being the one that pops up in my memory) and i have never had any problems and haven't tried to annoy people ect. I dont normally get involved in any discussions going on in other clubs forums unless i think an opinion from a fan from another club may be valid. This time i posted a comment when that idiot LTY or whatever his name was got branded as a spurs fan. I stated that he had been on the spurs site talking about milan (didnt specify ac or inter) and that he had nothing to do with spurs. I also suggested that he may go away if you just simply ignored him. Whether there is any truth in anything he said frankly i dont care. I am more concerned with my team and what is happening with them than to worry about any others
spursfan4eva
Not true Tailor. The only time i ever posted on Vital*****espur was before the CC game, and afterwards to say well played. Good reason wouldn't you say? ANyway, i've now seen your post on the spurs site where you say 'come on lads, YTL is taking the ***** out of arsenal, lets all go over and wind them up' or words to that effect, so your argument that you only came on here to see what the fuss was about is rubbish - you were actively trying to support YTL, who is one of yours.
Cesky
I read a post on the spurs site (i think from you) telling all your fellow spuds to get on the Arsenal site because cannavaro was causing havoc and he needs help. Dont call me a hypocrite when you behave like that.
SHOE HAMMER
ANyway, that said, the whole point of me logging on to this article was to say how gutted i was about the performance on Saturday, and how i hope we buck it up in time for our visit to Spuds next week. I know Arsene doesn't take the CC seriously and it is the least of our priorities, but it means everything to the SPuds, and local rivalry dictates that we must do everything in our power to leave them forlorn and dissappointed, from which they will never recover and will hopefully send them crashing downwards into the championship!
Cesky
actually Cesky I didn't spot it.. it was pointed out by a fellow Spurs supporter if you read the forums properly - I never ever come over here - why don't you check the archives and prove me wrong. I did so because I was informed of some very funny comments.. and to be fair I wasn't disappointed!! YTL isn't one of ours but I think he is very funny and makes some valid points. He never annoys us and he is a Milan fan so just accept it and stop trying to deflect it..
The Tailor
This is getting funnier and funnier....
k_chelski
So SH - I came over for a but of "tongue in cheek" fun for the first time ever and you of all people are trying to call me a hyprocrite?? Seriously?? Look up the word and it will have a picture of you next to it and you know it. You are everywhere and listen to you acting as if you are a gooner... you should be ashamed but then again being a spammer is shameful to the max!
The Tailor
*"bit of tongue in cheek" not but obviously...
The Tailor
That's fair enough spursfan4eva. You generally make your points with reason and positively. But not all your mates were able to decide YTL was just an idiot claiming to be a Milan supporter without knowing some pretty basic stuff about his supposed team. In the eyes of one spud he is 'a legend' and others who had 'just popped over to see what the fuss is about' supported his spurious points with a fair amount of hostility. Some spuds contribute beneficially to these forums others simply antagonise. I rarely visit the spuds site and if I do i try to make sure there is a point worth making even it is only a humourous one. Those who come here with a hostile attitude shouldn't bleat if they invite a response in the same vein.
Amos.
BTW Kev, I never did say well done CHelsea on another nail in the spud! I think 2 - 0 was a bit poor given that you were the only team on the pitch! Methinks the spuddies gave it their all against us, and have burnt themselves out for the rest of the season! Thats the only explanation i can think of as to how they suddenly learnt to play against us (and still couldn't win)!
Cesky
Tailor dont call us shameful at least we know we are crap you lot are crap and dont know it. Just look at the league table. 8 points above you lot and a game in hand how ***** must that make you lot. Always in th e shadow of Arsenal the only team in north london.
SHOE HAMMER
To be fair to Tailor, we did have a bit of fun banter, and i don't class him as one of the 'hostile ones' that Amos refers to.
Cesky
** yawn **
SUX2BU
Wow SH, i vote to make you an honourary gooner! I will always be grateful to the Hammers for not letting SPuds finish above us!
Cesky
Amos, thank you for the observation. I will let you all get back to the original topic that this was about
spursfan4eva
I always have good banter with Tailor nothing personal. Just football supporters who probably should be doing more work and not fing around on these sites.
SHOE HAMMER
Thanks Cesky my wife is a gunner i have tried to convert her but she wont have it.
SHOE HAMMER
I was gonna say let me try, but that would be out of order ;-)
Cesky
My brother's a yid - thats even worse - there's no converting him!
Cesky
Anyway, good day to all until later - as SH rightly says, need to do some work today before i get fired!
Cesky
ok, ok... I have had my fun and guys I did enjoy it - I try not to get to personal and think that most of the comments here have been within the boundaries - the worst I have thrown is "Hypocrite" and "Shameful" in all these exchanges and I haven't had too much stick back.. I too have a confession to make - my wife is also a gooner! I make her go to Church every week to repent though! Anyway, until next time - and I reckon it will be on the Spurs site!
The Tailor
Cesky, tottenham was **** just as I thought they would be. They gave their all against your under20s side. And I knew berbatov wouldn't try anything against his future club. Anelka was unlucky to score twice.
k_chelski
so do you think we will be able to make up some of the goal difference against fulham?
fran merida
we should fran, and i think manu will struggle to beat reading, so fingers crossed, we'll be back at the top this weekend..
luckys_10
lol Kev - his future club! Hope not. YOu got Drog, Sheva & ANelka you greedy sods! Leave some for the rest!
Cesky
LTY - Make your points while you can.......you know what's coming.
Rocky7
Go on Rocky - let im ave it!
Cesky
Drogba is on his way out. Barbie will take his place.
k_chelski
Wow, what the hell happened here? (giving that look of a girl opening the door of a guy's hellishly messy room, shaking her head) And hmm, I spent 2 years learning Italian and, even though I've forgotten 99% of it, it took me 2 seconds to realise that piece of crap had absolutely nothing to do with football whatsoever. A true native Italian speaker sure could have just typed his own sentence without copying and pasting? Whether it's a Milan fan or Spurs fan in disguise, we can never say. The only thing we know is that he's no Italian speaker. But he's surely a complete idiot full of comedy. Sorry (can't believe I even spent time to comment on that jerk), back to business - have you guys heard anything on injuries? I read from The London Paper (or Lite - something in the tube anyway) that RvP's still a doubt.
Louisa
 

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