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Well Done Tottenham

Ed's note: I did have this prepared for the final whistle in case of defeat, but it's safe to say I can publish it now.

Well, the run is over. Most expected it, but that's not to say it doesn't hurt a little bit.

We'll all probably take a bit of stick over the next few days, that's to be expected, but while it may smart a little bit, we all know that it will be a little bit hollow.

There's no doubt that Spurs deserved their spot in the final, I'm big enough to admit that, we were trounced over the two matches, I also won't begrudge the Tottenham fans their half hour of gloating, hell, they deserve it. Spurs have been tormented by Arsenal over the years, even on the odd occassion that they should have won, they didn't. I meet a lot of Tottenham fans who are horrible vile people (that disgusting old chant was heard again tonight), but then again, we have our own idiots who claim to be Arsenal fans, but I know people who are supporters of the dark side, people who are very close friends, I've met Spurs fans on this network who are really top people, and I guess, if I dig deep enough, I can afford them a smile.

Their long wait is finally over, no matter what competition it came in.

Well done Tottenham, you more than deserved it.

I wonder when the dvd will be out?

:)




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The Journalist

Writer: Rocky7 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday January 22 2008

Time: 9:24PM

Your Comments

Suck it up boys, we dished it out for the last 8 years.....now it's time to take it back.........lol
Rocky7
Bloody hell fire there`s 25 mins to go have you no faith in your boys. I bet you leave when your 1-0 down with ten mins to go. This a total thrashing and a footballing lesson too. 4-1?????? I bet you wish you stayed!
cockeril
I'm big enough to know when we're beat cockeril. However, I was at AG last season when your fans left at half time when you were 2-0 down........so less of the cheek young man!!! :P
Rocky7
We REALLY phucked the gooners tonight!!!!!! COME ON YOU SPURRRRS!!!!!!!!!! Did you see wengers face? he cant believe it after all the 5hit he spoke pre-match. "WE are the mighty TOTTENHAM and we are going to wembley..."
powerspur
There's a distinct lack of p1ss takers here.....surely you're not still worried about the result are you? BTW - TopSpur, maybe god isn't a gooner after all ;)
Rocky7
Footballing lesson? From Spurs? lol ok. Still, ***** happes, at least we're still in all the important competitions. Well done Spurs, you've beaten us for the first time in 9 years. You deserved it, enjoy the final. Gooners, chin up, there's still three trophies well and truly up for grabs, and losing is all part of the education.
simmy8_2000
5-1. Gooners embarrassed.
BaldEagle
lovely stuff!!! 5 ******** 1.................awesome!!!!
united4life
I'm not sure what I'm more suprised by - the 4-1 drumming or the fact that Eduardo missed more than one chance in a game...
simmy8_2000
simmy, id be more suprised by the 4-1 drubbing...cox it was 5-1!!!!!!!!!!!
united4life
no chance of that rocky. as I write defoe just missed a sitter to make it 5. 5 against the arsenal? now that would be really something wouldn't? but wait a minute....jenas passes to steed and he makes no mistake!!!!!!! SPURS 5 arsenal 1!!!!!!!!! SPURS 5 arsenal 1!!!!!!!!! JENAS for ENGLAND!!!!!!!! and RAMOS is a GOD!!!!!!!!
powerspur
Lol......*****ing hell. A tad embarassing, but that's the risk you take. They would have beaten the full first team with that performance. Can't argue with that!!
Rocky7
Well it's finally happened. They *****ed on us over the two matches to be honest. The only positive is that this defeat came in the Carling Cup. But I'm not going to use that as excuse, Arsenal wanted to be in that final... well the manager did anyway, some of the players tonight were absolutley awful.
Professor Calculus
Go get 'em powerspur, you deserve it ;)
Rocky7
I'm surprised.... the carling cup can be fun. Not only did I see Willy getting p1ssed on(pardon the ironic pun), but now I will see a morale-high tottenham getting destroyed in a final.Happy times.
k_chelski
well done sp*rs, they did deserve it. nice to see some manure fans gloating, especially after their great display at home to coventry city.
G4L
As I said, ***** happens. It's a chance for the kids to impress, that's all. They didn't do that tonight, but they have done it plenty of time this season in both cups. We got to the semi's with a second string, further than United, 'Pool and most other Prem teams. Well done Spurs 5-1 it is.
simmy8_2000
Well done. They are still a bunch of ***** though.
Cesky
Respect to you gooners who take it on the chin and admit we wiped the floor with your 1st team barring the odd player. That must dent your confidence, where now? Milan will do you over unless you find some form fast and the league might start slipping too?
cockeril
22 matches and its over. Diaby, the back four, Hleb, almost everyone were truly terrible. But Spurs(I wont censor that word today) were awesome. Time for wenger to resign (Only kidding)
WouldYouBelieveIt?!
will lift off some of the preasure early on.and maybe a new backup reliable defender?
MYgood-ners
Brilliant, seeing key players like Gallas, Sagna, Hleb and Fabregas playin virtually the entire game in the carling cup... hopefully Arsenal will be knackered long before the end of the season.
midlothian99
well deserved spurs! better team won(on the nite). COCKeril i would like to point out that if any lessons were learned in the last 9 years it was most definately our boys who did the teaching! Good luck in the final.
Unwell
I think if it'd been a close game I would probably be *****ed off, but I can't stop laughing.....we got absolutely slapped!!! Lol.
Rocky7
credit where it is due.. 1st, to the entire spurs team who hv played their hearts out tonite and emerged deserved winners.. i fully expect them to go on to wembley and win the carling cup, i mean they definitely deserve a shot at europe with that performance... n an advise, pls keep ur foots on the ground and repeat this performance in ur next two games.. 2nd, well done to arsenal players who had played some brilliant football in this competetition.. seriously i cannot name any of the 2nd teamers who didnt play to their potential, it was the older players who let us down, namely gilberto (abt the worst i've seen him play).. anyway, gooners, brace urselves and the only response we can give is to show newcastle how good we really are
McGooner
Meh, Let me tell you guys something. To me, this loss means nothing. We've been spanked by the Spuds, it was going to happen one day and today was that day. What's the problem? We're out of the Carling Cup. Yeh, and? What you're all failing to see, is the future. And by that I mean the spanking the Spuds are going to get at the hands of Chelsea in the final.
ExRox
Tottenham would have beaten Manure tonight. Now watch them **** it up against the chavs. They are still tottenham after all!
Cesky
so what is the excuse this time mates:)?
kaybee
which time?
G4L
the first time in 9 years i think...
Unwell
I'm also laughing Rocky, It's like the absolute worse thing that could have happened actually happened, this feeling of just laughing in complete dejection is very similar to the feeling I had after that awful 6-1 defeat at Old Trafford all those years ago. At least we had a scapegoat that day in Stephanov (can't remember name). Tonight we had no credible or even slightly credible excuse. Man we got spanked... by Spurs. What?
Professor Calculus
there's no excuses mate.. read the post before u post will ya.. the unanimous decision here is that spurs played us off the field and we'll be gracious in defeat.. its their day after a very long time and let em enjoy the feeling.. they know, its gonna be another 22 games before they feel the same
McGooner
lol at kaybee first time youve won in 9 years and your asking us for our exuces
nr790
btw folks what happened between Gallas and Bendtner? i was following the live commentary on gamecast, and the fellow sad they got into a fight and were separated by the other lads just in time..
luckys_10
the DVDs will come out tomorrow
49ers
Thought your time was NOW, and THIS was your season? AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. :)))
Blue is the colour
this is wengers ultimate task.. how will he infuse confidence back into these players.. i mean we had fabregas, hleb, sagna n gallas on the field and they were given a can of whoop a$$.. lets just hope the players take this as lightly as we hv
McGooner
Bitc u are a plonker
G4L
Oh, looks like you can scratch one off the poll to the right there fellas. LOL.
Blue is the colour
"you'll never beat the arsenal" when it matters
3putt4par
The last line on Arsenal TV Online: "A night to forget for the Gunners, but their focus is elsewhere." Only if it's that simple... I really, really, really hope the guys will bounce back from this and not let their confidence drop. If they manage that against Newcastle, we might find another way to Wembley.
Lou the Gunneress
I think a Champions League game against Milan is a bigger game than a Carling Cup semi final against Spurs so I think we might be slightly more motivated for Cockeril! But well done Spurs, god knows you deserve it over the 2 legs, i'm man enough to admit that! Its taken you bloody long enough! You enjoy it guys. lol
itsup4grabsnow
double over th gobby spuds in the league
49ers
lads we have bounced back from adversity before, and we will do it again. this can actually be an eye opener for the team, and im glad it happened before the milan game, cuz now we know where we have to work on our game. just imagine if we would have lost to milan like this, that would have ended our season. we should thank the spuddies for opening our eyes and this will only make us more desperate for the league and the champions league. and someone please update me about the bendtner and gallas fight. what happened there?
luckys_10
bitc you should concentrate on your team tomorrow nite instead of flapping your little gums around here... wouldnt it be a real shame if your stupidity bit you on your arse tomorrow nite!
Unwell
I'm also feeling a strange relief that the record is gone (the home record still intact - that's even longer right?! LOL) and we can start from a clean slate without that burden (well Spurs too), whatever the hell does that mean now?
Lou the Gunneress
was off camera lucky no idea what started it but billy and nick were having a real go at each other...
Unwell
BITC, I don't mind you coming here to take the p1ss, but cut the stupid HTML, it will be deleted!!
Rocky7
think the row started with ade and bendtner//
3putt4par
unwell, losing 2-1...or even 3-1 can be reffered to as "we lost the game"....but 5-1?? 6-2 agg, v the Topfourenhamhotspuds...???? thats getting taken apart and laughed off the pitch. LOL
Blue is the colour
Rocky...come on....its harmless, youre just envious... :)
Blue is the colour
I agree with luckys, I'm surprisingly not down about this now. It really hurt since 2-0, but now I'm strangely positive about things. We've had bigger frustrations than this - last year's CC final where we outplayed Chelsea for the most part, not to mention the CL final in the year before. I do agree that we actually can thank Spurs for spurring our guys on to working harder in the league and CL where it really matters a lot more.
Lou the Gunneress
bitc, thats exactly wat were sayin.
McGooner
before the game you lots were really arrogant about beating the spurs i knew it wouldnt happen.
kaybee
G4L said it best.. you certainly are a prize plonker.. be gone and take your stupidity with you.
Unwell
Fu**, I've just broke a fingernail!!!! Oh, Spurs knocked us out of the CC tonight. Anybody know somebody who can do a good manicure, lol!
flv
we lost from the first leg
49ers
Did you no los 5-1 in the semi a few years back u lil B!tch? Well done Spurs thouroughly deserved win.
iceman10
Rocky, thanks for writing this! So glad so many of us are big enough to take defeat and you're the first one. As much as this game has taught the team a lesson, we Gooners have learnt a good one today too.
Lou the Gunneress
Oh, btw, feck Boris, Gallas for Mayor. LOOOL, He was feckin SOLID tonight eh? :)
Blue is the colour
This will be a good lesson for our youngsters who will emerge stronger. The pressure will really be on Spurs next season when Ramos has a full season in charge and MUST finish in the top 4. As for us, we don't need to be too despondent. There is much to play for and look forward to this season. I think Gilberto is definitely past it now for us, Also, Diaby stays on the ball far too long and was poor today. Fabianski's error for the Keane goal was not good enought I'm afraid.
Gooner_Vin
HAHAHA we beat you, dont care if it was your B team, womens team or the fact that your manager roots goats, not only were we the better team over to games 5-1 at WHL, LOVE IT....HAHAHA.
GreenGiant13
49ers is right - this tie was lost at home 2 weeks ago. Not the result, but the manner in which our kids (it was indeed kids in that game) lost it to them gave them tremendous confidence and a springboard for this.
Lou the Gunneress
Congrats spuds, felt that this was on the cards but hands held high you deserved it. Tonight the scum will party like its (November) 1999
nikolaijns
Gooner_Vin, you're right. I had been thinking/hoping Gilberto would come back these few weeks, but the second Jenas went past him and set up Malbranque, I could see he's gone... It hurt to see a World Cup winner humiliated like that, but you're right, he's past it... Yet another setback for the team, but I can also see yet another comeback. Collectively, I mean.
Lou the Gunneress
Rocky7, despite our disagreements, I have respect for your comments tonight - it is refreshing that the 'kids' excuse hasn't been used - you did have some senior players as well, but I do think that after our performance at the Emirates, a defeat would have been worse for us than you. And I think that I also agree with Lou, that this sort of result might refocus minds at the Emirates and be beneficial for you in other competitions.
EnglishSpur
we played with a different mentality to theirs in this game. this game was their season game, while we still have a long way to go this season. congrats to the spuds though. we were not even close tonite.
fcdematthew
Well done spuds it had to happen at some stage and cher up fellow gunners, we'll sonn have back Clichy, Toure, Flamini and RVP and next game Wenger will start with Eduardo, Fab, Rociky and Ade so I would not worry, we'll bounce back straight away and spuds enjoy your win see you in top four next season lol.
Armory
Oh yeah the lil blue b1tch dont remember anything over 4 years ago, chav.
iceman10
any chance that they will make a DVD for this historic victory?
fcdematthew
hey dont apocalypse happen every thousand years or well guess i will be dead the next time tottenham beat us then ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
flv
I don't think we have much choice but to take it on the chin, Spurs were that good tonight that there' nothing more we can say. Great performance. Fully expect them to clinch a UEFA cup place now. Fair play too. No complaints from me.
Rocky7
breaking news hell has frozen over.
iceman10
They've got no chance in the final though.
Gooner_Vin
ES, ur a gentleman.. a personal congratulations to u.. u hv waited for this an awful long time and with ur performance tonite, u hv earned my respect.. i may be lambasted by my fellow gooners, but if u keep on playing like today, i wish u all the best in the remaining competitions.. long live the rivalry
McGooner
ES - best comment from you ever! (Not bcos you agreed with me LOL, but common sense does prevail sometimes. LOL) And it feels really strange that so many of us did appreciate the Spurs team together with Spurs fans (for me anyway). A really strange feeling that is.
Lou the Gunneress
Lou the Gunneress - it's true, Bert has just not been himself, he's lost that edge. But our young players would have learnt an enormous amount from tonight. Arsene needs to get the cheque book out and sign a central defender. If we lose Gallas to injury, our season will be over.
Gooner_Vin
iceman...calm down mate. it was only a cup semi final...against a club you all claim to be crappier than you....and they only took you apart 5-1, just after you all wrote them off, Im sure theyll have forgotten all about it tomorrow, no T-shirts. no DVDs...and wont ever mention it again.... LOOOL :)
Blue is the colour
Now if only they wud stop singing that song everytime wenger stands up.
iceman10
I would like to thank all the arsenal fans that have put honest congratulatory comments on here and on vital spurs. Well done guys. I will apologise for any spurs fans that come on and really rub it in as there is being chuffed about the game and then there is being annoying. I am sure you will be the same with some of the arsenal fans comments as well. All in all it was a good game (maybe not for you guys) and i was nervous before hand but we really came out and did exactly what we needed to do. I cant remember seeing Fabregas being so quiet in a game before. Arsenal played fairly well but i think it was more the performance of spurs that shut you guys out. Anyway as i said, thank you to all the genuine and honest arsenal fans
spursfan4eva
Im very calm thanks Blue is the coward. Best team won, not gonna cry bout injuries or it being our 2nd team like you lot on vital chav.
iceman10
Well didn't expect this result, deserved to go through Spurs over the two legs.
will it ever happen
McGooner, I think the difference that Ramos might bring is the consistency. Jol gave us the believe and the ability but was not tough enough to take us over the cusp. This victory, like our performances against Chelsea last year, might provide that belief. I am no longer certain that the FA Cup game at Old Trafford is a foregone conclusion. Ferguson will look at this and despite maybe this not being your automatic first XI, there was still a lot of talent in your team. Personally I saw the game in the pub and loads of Spurs fans were ..... as shocked as the Gooner fans :) But it may knock some of your players out of the complacency that some of them have shown - you can sometimes believe your own press - and this should mean they knuckle down for games like Milan. If it has just been 2-1 it might not have had the impact but a tonking of 5-1 is a different issue.
EnglishSpur
Wenger + Arsenal Team - The most dis-honourable and arrogant manager and players EVER ? We gave your boys a good "seeing to" tonight....open wide, this won't hurt a bit MUUUUAAAACCCCCHHHHHHHH...C O M E ON U SPURS (TO WEMBLEEEEEY) MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
acton_yid
Normally I get frustrated/annoyed.... this got a frown and a shrug, if they push hard they'll get in the top half of the table
nakcuh
Full credit to the Spuds - (it doesn't really make up for 9 years of failure but it probably feels like it) they deserved their win. Strange that we started the game as though we were the ones that had something to prove. In the unbeaten season we lost in the semi's of the CC to Middlesborough (not so comprehensively it should be said) and in the title winning season before that we were knocked out of the CC at the Quarter final stage taking a 4-0 pasting from Blackburn. In reality it means little to our season though Spurs will feel rightly chuffed by the result. Good luck to them but, at the same time, worth remembering that the last time they reached the CC final they beat Chelsea in the semi's 5-1 only to lose to Bolton. As Rocky says there's no point in dishing it out if we can't take it when wit's our turn to do so but thanks for the 6 points this season though.
Amos.
What is baffling me is that all the ***** that has gone on between Vital Arsenal & Vital Spurs over the years seems to have disapeared and we're conducting a massive virtual group hug!!! Wtf .... lol. Such is football, you can love it and hate it, but it's rarely dull (unless you support Chelsea)
Rocky7
Well Rocky, you dont have to endure the witless posts of your fans made on our forum suggesting you lot will win the Quad and that we wont even reach a final, any final. So in case you wonder why Im sort of happy right now...go figure. 5-1 v Spuds...wow...surely a PL winning team you have there...
Blue is the colour
Yeah Rocky, since when did we become so nice to each other?! Since tonight literally!
Lou the Gunneress
I just personally think it's hilarious. Great work by the spuds. Doesn't it make you guys worry if you're really hit by an injury crisis?
Riessy
Tottenham deserved every bit of the victory, they earned it!
raaid
You're all just trying to save face. It's not that hard to figure out.
Riessy
Spurs better put in that same performance against man utd in the league so we go top. take confidence from this game spurs, beat utd in the league, allowing arsenal to go top! that will do nicely. well done though
ian7
You're right BITC, but I do have to endure your meaningless drivel, so pardon me if I don't really care what you're feeling!!
Rocky7
Riessy, and we don't have any choice either! We were completely outplayed. That's what it was, so what else can you say. Well for face, if this result can galvanise the team in the league and CL, the face lost today is every bit worth it. :D (Geez can't believe my optimism - and thick skin)
Lou the Gunneress
LOL Rocky. Fair play to you Gooners for being honest.COME ON YOU SPURS!!!
Real Deal
Gooner_ Vin, why haven't we got a chance in the final? Not being funny but if we play like this we will win the cup.
Real Deal
BITC, we hammered you 5-1 in the semis in 2001, can't you remember that...
Real Deal
They won't have enjoyed what happened today. This could be the point when titles or cups are won. We were massacred today. Tottenham deserved the win. Well done Spurs.
Keplaz
Riessy - I make a point of trying to keep my comments when taking the pee out of Spurs fans strictly on a footballing level (Sometimes I fail, but the intent is there) because I know fine well that one day it will come back to bite me in the arse. And today those Spurs fans earned themselves a massive chunk of my fairly ample rear end!!
Rocky7
Real Deal - If you play like that you would beat any team in Europe. If you meet Chelsea in the final I will actually be "cheering" you on. Obviously I'm hoping for an Everton win, because that would ***** of Spurs, Chelsea & Liverpool.......lolol.
Rocky7
I'm surprised so few people other than Spurs fans have come to give us a hard time. Maybe the ManU fans are gutted that their bragging rights were long gone, after getting thrown out of this competition by, er, Coventry, 3 rounds ago? Also, am I the only one who's fancying Everton to win CC this year?
Lou the Gunneress
im actually watching the highlights. I cant change the channel. we got done BIG TIME!
ian7
Oh Rocky you beat me to that! So I'm not alone on Everton! :P
Lou the Gunneress
We all know chelsea will win it
ian7
Paul, I salute you for that article, must of been a git to write. Well done to our boys for tonight and a real unexpected well done to all the gracious Arsenal fans on here. Good to see real fans, not the idiots we both have.....even though we all enjoy a bit of banter.
Scott Spur
Scott - It wasn't too bad. Usually there's alot of contention about the Arsenal Spurs games, with both teams claiming they'd been hard done by with lots of hard feelings. But, to be frank, we got well and truly thumped tonight, and you deserved every last goal. Funny thing is that your best player, was probably your "worst" (he was bad by any stretch) player. Nothing more to say, nothing more I can say. I'm off to drink a case of stella and play Tottenham vs Arsenal on Pro Evo on my Xbox360.....and I'm putting the setting on easy. Revenge will be sweet....mwhahahaha!!!
Rocky7
Scott and other Spurs fans, thank you back for coming here to thank us for saying the truth - that's all we did, really. Strangely, I can imagine how thrilled you guys must be. Enjoy this and have a great weekend too - now go on and throw ManU out of FAC!
Lou the Gunneress
after this performance, spurs better win the carling cup.. i'd lose only to the champions
McGooner
LOL Rocky can I join you?!! :D
Lou the Gunneress
Thanks guys, I will try to remember to return the favour if we meet in the FA Cup and lose, but, we will probably be out this time next week, so its unlikely!! Go have a beer and forget about it....we are masters of it!!!
Scott Spur
Guess I've gone from disappointed to calm to now thinking stupid things: I think Spurs will definitely publish a DVD to commemorate this win. Just that they'll hold on until Feb - if surprisingly they go on to lift the cup, they'll publish an entire box set full of goodies, including some miniature Carling Cups - one 3D version of which serves as a paperweight, and a 2D one as a mouse pad. If they lose the final, they'll just publish the historic 5-1 home win over the Arsenal on a beautiful DVD.
Lou the Gunneress
spurs deserved the win, they were up for beating us and getting to the final of a small cup competition. Wenger has always used these games for playing second string teams and when some of believe you should play your best team to get to any final, he sees it differently. Personally I am not bothered, i would rather go to Moscow this year, maybe visit Wembley in a warmer May and celebrate winning the league for the first time at the Emirates, but i totally understand how big a result this is for the spuddies, first victory in 9 years and a wembley final since 99. ofcourse whoever you play in the final won't be playing their reserves !
PUREGOLD
Lou - It gets better, I'm going to use my second xbox controller to select Spurs' formation and they will be playing 1-1-8......and to make life easier, I will be picking Paul Robinson to play in goal for them!!!! lol.
Rocky7
LOL Scott you're the most humours Spurs fan we've ever seen here! Lovely! (Oops how could I say that to you of all people LOL)
Lou the Gunneress
PG - I think trying to downgrade their victory in anyway is a bit wrong. They gave us a proper slapping, and would have beaten any team they put out. It's hard to take, but it's true. But football is beautiful and there's always the next game to take your mind off the last one!!
Rocky7
LOL Rocky - but Spurs don't have 8 strikers even if you count Bent too don't they?! LOL Does Xbox have the so-called 2nd-string players too?!
Lou the Gunneress
Rocky, next game yes, and next season too - in Scott's words, they're "masters of it"! LOL But thankfully we don't have to wait for next season (after next season), like the title of Ozi Gooner's article, "Our time is now"!
Lou the Gunneress
Well done, Sp*rs deserved it no doubt. I just hope we bounce back from this because we were very poor in all areas tonight.
Andy-bayor
PG did you watch? It wasn't the kids they beat, 4 of our first-teammers (plus one ex-first-teammer Gilberto) played...
Lou the Gunneress
Bollox to strikers, they'll be playing Lee, Dawson, Mabbut, Vega, Armstrong, Edinburgh, Carr & Freund up front....I'll see to that. Not losing twice in one year!!!!
Rocky7
Your time is up and there more to come the Ramos revolution has begun, beware the SPURS, and stay off the moors.
YidEdy
Well done Rocky! And I admit I don't even know who Mabbut is, sounds like "muppet" LOL
Lou the Gunneress
Rocky, in perspective, spurs fought hard and wanted it much more, they played good attacking football, we couldn't string a pass together and the kids didn't seem to fire tonight, to bring on Ade and expect miracles was too much. But i am not dissapointed, in perspective, spuddies are estactic at 1 beating us and 2 getting to final for the first time in 10 years, no matter what competition. in perspective though, unless they win it they won't get europe, and the team they play will field a 1st XI, every dog has its day and after 9 years it was about time they had theirs. i remember the hoo doo of spurs playing chelsea and them winning.. i am just waiting now for all the chants of how they are going to dislodge us from the top 4, thats what i can't stand over results such as these, they beat a 2nd Arsenal team tonight, yes played well and walloped us, but its not the Prem, where are points total is double compared to theirs and its not in the champions league. As someone once said, Form is tempory, class is permanant !
PUREGOLD
There is a real dilemma now- if Everton beats the Chavs it's a no-brainer, we support Everton in the final (if we bother to watch it- will Wembley even be full?). But if the Chavs win- eeeeuwwww, what a choice!. Spud are our historical rivals- less so in the last decade due to their mediocrity- but the Chavs are just so slimy. I think I'll support Spuds because they aren't really a rival anymore. But I feel dirty saying that : )
elbondo
Fibre-Glass, Ar&e-hole wenker, Pleb, Van-Pu55 ey, Nicky Bender, Gigallo Silva, Your-not-Sicky, Willy-less Gall'ass, Ad-enough-byo,Thicko-Walnut, Justin-just-out-of-the-cup Hurt (dont it), Flam-miniskirt, Dont-no-son, Diarby-County Your boys took one hell of a beatin from the mighty SPURS, yyyyeeeeeaaahhhhhhhhhh !!!!
YidEdy
Cool YidEdy, if you want to believe that that's up to you.....to me though, you'd be better off just celebrating this extraordinary win and enjoy it. No point in gobbing off, and ruining everything is there?! Lou - Mabutt was one of their central defenders of yesteryear, nice bloke, but I can't imagine he'd play well as a striker!!!
Rocky7
PG I understand how you're feeling. I don't think Rocky or many of us are sad about this. To be honest I felt 10 times more gutted after the CC final last year. This time they won fair and square. And we really have bigger fish to fry and that's not an excuse. I'd even say that if this galvanise the team to do better in the league and CL, every bit of this (little bit of) pain we're feeling (and the nightmare you guys endure when you go back to work tomorrow) is well worth it.
Lou the Gunneress
We didn't play our kids tonight - we played a strong side that was missing only Clichy, Flamini, and Rosicky - its no use pretending otherwise. We shouldn't be mixing seniors in with the 'kids'. If the CC is to blood players, then we should not go about it half-hearted - we either play at 100% strength or rely 100% on the kids.
Andy-bayor
In fairness Andy, we were missing Alumnia, Clichy, Toure, Flamini, Rosicky, Adebayor & van Persie.....but thats certainly no excuse, and certainly not to take anything away from spurs who were extremely professional throughout the two games, whilst we were just, well.....****!! That said, I agree that it should have been one or the other!!
Rocky7
Erm' How does that song go again, ......................... Oh yeah..... kay serah, serah, what ever will be will be......... we're going to wembely, kay serah, serah, ............ kay serah, serah, what ever will be will be......... we're going to wembely, kay serah, serah ....... kay serah, serah, what ever will be will be......... we're going to wembely, kay serah, serah.............
YidEdy
Ar&e-hole wenker, Fibre-Glass, Pleb, Van-Pu55 ey, Nicky Bender, Gigallo Silva, Your-not-Sicky, Willy-less Gall'ass, Ad-enough-byo,Thicko-Walnut, Justin-just-out-of-the-cup Hurt (dont it), Flam-miniskirt, Dont-no-son, Diarby-County Your boys took one hell of a beatin from the mighty SPURS, yyyyeeeeeaaahhhhhhhhhh !!!!
YidEdy
unlucky goons
glendalough yid
Andy, if we count our First XI as Almunia; Clichy, Gallas, Kolo, Sagna; Rosicky, Cesc, Flamini, Hleb; RvP and Ade; we started with 3 first-teammers, Cesc came on early on 18' bcos of Denilson's injury, Ade played for about 30 mins. So we can say we played 4.5 first-teammers against Spurs. Not missing only 3 those first-teammers though - and how could you forget Kolo...
Lou the Gunneress
Good point Lou- I think we all would have liked a win but none of us are too bothered about the loss. I won't make excuses- the Spuds deserve their spot in the final. Besides, we have a Champions League tie to worry about. This weekend brings up another tough call- do we support traditional rivals Spuds on Sunday or real footballing rivals Man U? I have to side with the Spuds because they won't really be a challenge if we have to meet them later.
elbondo
yeah I'm gobbin off just like you invade our site and gob off when you winn. It's our night tonight, more to come. We hate gooners, We hate gooners, We hate gooners, We hate gooners,
YidEdy
Credit to Arsenal fans (minus PureGold). Instead of making excuses you have acknowledged that Spurs were by and large the better team over two legs. NINE years of hurt emphatically ended and us Spurs fans are absolutely loving it. Bring on the Chavs!!!
OneAaronLennon
Rocky you beat me to that answer again. Guess I can now keep quiet and add "Exactly" to your comments? How's your game going? Did "muppet" score against you? LOL
Lou the Gunneress
Hey OneAaronLennon, congrats! I'm also curious, is it really a case of "9 years of hurt emphatically ended" for you? Only now can I begin to imagine the amount of pain you guys have been feeling these 9 years... I'm just wondering if it's wiped off just like that..? Again, no dig intended, just curious.
Lou the Gunneress
Not started it yet....but I will!!!! ***** the higlights have just started on SkySports.....need...to...switch.....over!!!!
Rocky7
credit 2 ars fans ye can admite when yer beat fair play
glendalough yid
Wenger has never won the League Cup and we have never really tried to. Even last seasons final was a glorious failure. Tonight was a less glorious one as, purely for the reason it was the Spuds, we decided we would take it sort of seriously for once. We put out a half decent team against a stronger and more determined side. We turned it into a game that we felt we needed to win rather than just compete in and if we won then fine - the kids would get another outing. Spurs would probably have won whatever side we put out - it was just too important to them to win this one.
Amos.
I usually download and save the ATVO highlights and AW/player interviews after every match... For this game, I'll still do it... but will shove it into the "Arsenal Games" folder without touching it as if it carries plague or something...
Lou the Gunneress
I forgot about Almunia Rocky, but Robin and Kolo would not have been available anyway so they don't really count. Anyway that's history now... I'm going to try and sleep it off, although having said that I have a meeting with someone tomorrow who is a Spud so I'll never hear the end of it!!
Andy-bayor
Yes Amos, that's what happened. As a Gooner said on another side, "But it was their biggest game of the year, and our smallest game of the week."
Lou the Gunneress
TBH, no it doesn't, the statistics still say that we didn't beat you for 8/9 years. But having said that, no Spurs fan is going to look past tonights win until we next meet. It just makes a pleasant change (for Spurs supporters) that WE can now look forward to going into work and rub it in the many faces of Arsenal supporters.
OneAaronLennon
Poor Andy... From our experience of dealing with this defeat so far, it seems the 'chin up' approach is working. LOL Any Spurs fan who's slightly fair would say 'fair play' to you if you admit defeat gracefully like so many of us did here online. Try that tomorrow! ;)
Lou the Gunneress
Ah, ok, I getcha, I thought you were naming our strongest line up!! Just take it on the chin tomorrow Andy, what more can you do?!
Rocky7
On a positive note... I was at the ground tonight and to see them celebrate was to see people who didn't know that it's been 9 years - the decade of hurt just evaporates! This is what makes football great - you can get absolutely tonked day after day, but the single day when you win, it always eliminates all the bad days!
Andy-bayor
Andy-bayor, I think it was mainly a case of relief for Spurs fans tonight. All the pressure was on us to get a result as it was widely regarded as our best chance of beating yous since 1999. Beating Arsenal tonight was kind of expected amongst us, but the way in which we did it wasn't, and that's the most pleasing part.
OneAaronLennon
Andy, OneAaronLennon has just testified that one great win doesn't exactly "eliminate all the bad days" in these 9 years. But no matter what, they deserve all the bragging and raving and gloating rights tomorrow. Hope it won't be too bad for poor guys like you. OneAaronLennon, by all means enjoy it tomorrow - or until we beat you again.
Lou the Gunneress
Andy, I don't mean to rub salt into our wounds. But did you see the sad Gooners leaving when it's 4-0? I salute you for staying till the end, through thick and thin. (Don't tell me you didn't!!!)
Lou the Gunneress
aight spudds, enjoyed the banter.. i'm retirin now, hopefully its a new morning for our players as it will be for me.. Lets move on and refocus
McGooner
McGooner, right, I'm moving on - reading Ozi Gooner's article, to which I agree, so I'm back in my old optimistic self now.
Lou the Gunneress
beginning of the end...
RadioactiveD
I feel happy i missed this game(my first this season) and went to see Chris Rock instead who i must say was brilliant tonight. It was a funny feeling at St Pancras to see spurs fans lose their minds with Yid army & Wembley chants. Must be a big relief to break the run. I heard adebayors goal was really good?
paul_ownz
5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 5-1 OH AND I DON'T EVEN SUPPORT SPURS
ozanne park rangers
ISn't it even more idiotic to gloat for a club you don't support?
Lou the Gunneress
is emmense, wasnt expecting u 2 win at all let alone 5-1! well happy obviously, but fair play 2 u lot 4 losing gracefully. i didnt think ur lot played 2 badly tbh. best thing is 4 us is that u had fabregas on from 20 mins and adebayor and eduardo were both on at 60ish. Aaron Lennon and Jermaine jenas star men 2nite! problem is tho, now were gona get *****in chelsea in the final! oh well, at least were pretty much gyaranteed UEFA Cup again next year! were not all deluded by the way, we all know it was a 1 off result and we wont ever do that again but were definitely starting 2 play like ramos wants. we are starting to play on the break like Sevilla do and when we get a few more players Ramos likes in, we will become capable of challenging the top 4, not saying win the league because were still a long way off of that but were definitely going the right way now. YID ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY!!!!!
ExiL
ExiL, yeah I also think Ramos is doing very well in turning things around for you guys. Like with Berbatov, it's a question of keeping him now. TO be honest, I kind of agree with Arsene when he said "the scoreline doesn't reflect the true story" or something like that. But you guys really deserved it. I was even scratching my head and wondering why you're in that league position, that's just strange how things went before Ramos came. Not to say it's entirely Martin Jol's problem though. Anyway, you guys have a good day tomorrow, I'm sure you'll enjoy the bragging rights. Now I just hope we go to Wembley the other way. (Er, won't be disappointed even if we don't. Moscow's definitely a better place to go.)
Lou the Gunneress
Dissapointed.. did Ade headbutt Bendtner? The way Wenger spoke.. he didn't really care abt the Carling Cup it seems.. which I'm dissapointed abt..
arsenalrulz4ever
Having just managed to stand up after bending over to spurs fans who I should add deserved to win and how they did win, nevertheless the major problem for me was the flare up towards the end of the match. To see Arsenal players fighting with each other does really worry me. It was a cup match conclusively won by the better team, second team what a load of waffle, the team we put out was a top team but lacked the ability to win. Having been down this road in the past that was not a worry but fighting between Arsenal players, that is new and very worrying.
alwaysgunner
Lou the Gunneress, i hope Everton win the CC. that way, hopefully, the spuds will not qualify for that little uefa cup (european version of CC), which they r very proud of playing in.
fcdematthew
Oh how I hope Everton can win it now. Heck, Ill even support the chav$ over these scums. Our arses were torn apart and the worst part is many of them weren't even youngsters. I've never seen Sagna and Gallas play this badly. Walcott is too light weight and Hleb was *****e. I can only take solace from the fact that this was a mickey mouse cup and the scums wanted it much much more than we did to get into Europe. Well played Tottenham, you deserved it. Arsenal, I really really want to see a back clash against the barcodes. I can see us winning 5-1 :)
WouldYouBelieveIt?!
I'd be lying if I said iu'm not tempted to gloat, but I'm a football fan and love my club. I know what it feels like when we lose to you guy's, as much as it feels good to beat the Gooner's it means nothing if we don't win the final.
Topspur1
Rocky god must be on holiday!
Topspur1
The loss is just proof, big proof, that ARSENAL IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH...
entropy13
We should all admit, Arsenal fans, that our club is s**t.
entropy13
...because we can't win the quadruple this season. :P
entropy13
They deserved it though, and getting to the cup final might be their only chance of getting to Europe. :P
entropy13
First of all, apologies to the arsenal fans for some of my fellow Spurs fans... every club has those sorts of fans. Secondly, congratulations of being very good about the defeat, it was a less than 100% Arsenal team, but it was nowhere near a b team. We played magnificently, you played poorly, we deserved the win... 5-1 is still a shock! Hopefully we can win the Carling cup, either way it's nice to see a club who genuinely cares about the competition in the final for a change.
ahx00
Oh and btw, we dont get into europe by being in the final, thats the FA cup, we have to win the league cup... fingers crossed lol
ahx00
I hear Ade nutted bendtner. I feel Bendtner may go after his arrogance seems to have got the better of him... Hopefully it will all be patched up with a pay cut and a nice Adebayor hug. On to the title and all.
Goofle
yes, we have not beaten the scum in 9 years and 22 attempts even though we got really close and in a few instances amazingly unlucky and in a couple completely robbed by ref decisions... yes, we regularly lose to the gooners and yes, they have achieved amazing things far and away bigger than what we have achieved in the last 13 years... BUT never ever have they ever embarrassed us. Never have we wilted and given up at war with them. even after defeat we could keep our heads high in that we offered a real challenge. HOWEVER, todays result is nothing short of total and utter HUMILATION. At least we have never known what that feels like..
oziyid
I think you can get to Europe through the Carling Cup, just hope that the FA Cup finalists finish in the top 4.
entropy13
And of course win the CC. Still, can't see beyond either Everton or Chelsea, and Everton even has the chance to finish 4th in the league
entropy13
I cant believe what i am reading yes spurs played well but you still only had 4 first team starting against all their first team. Get over it spuds your not that great and as for Ramos being a great tatical master what a load of boll cks. Spuds will loose the final and against the mancs and when they do, it will be Ramos out!!!!
SHOE HAMMER
R7- I think you're prone to extreme over exaggeration by saying spurs would have beaten any team in europe last night. The fact is our defence was non exsistent & it was only a few of our first team playing. Sagna, Gallas & Hleb are the only automatic first teamers that started & whilst Cesc may have played a large portion of the game we were already 1-0 down & chasing the match by the time he came on. As an Arsenal fan you would have to be beyond stupid to think that we deserved anything other than the spanking we got, but I actually think this will be the best thing for us. Firstly Wenger will no longer take spurs so lightly (which I'm delighted about because I hate losing to them even in reserve or youth games), secondly the players won't take spurs so lightly, & lastly, if you could pick any competition to lose a game to spurs in every gooner to a man would pick the CC. I said it weeks ago that Chelski will win this cup & I still believe that, Spurs were that desperate to beat us & the game was built up for them by the media who kept on about this winless run, thankfully the media will have to shut up about that now. Assuming Chelski get through tonight they will match spurs desperation to win this cup, not that the actual trophy is important to their players because like us they are a bigger club than that, but Avram Grant needs that win to get credibility from people outside of Chelski. I also remember Cheski being hammered by spurs after a long winless run & spurs fans were declaring then that their hoodoo was over against chelski, yet how many years did it take for them to register another win?? 5 or 6 if I'm not mistaken, if that same thing happens with us I'll be delighted.
Ashburton Gooner
Another good aspect to last night is that Spurs will go to Man Utd in the FA cup full of confidence. Undoubtedly they will lose as usual, but Ferguson will have watched last night & that game will make him field a stronger team than he would've wanted to & also it will be far tougher for them against a victorious spurs team rather than a spurs team who had suffered another defeat to us. Anything that makes Man Utd players put that much more effort in at this stage of the season is ok by me.
Ashburton Gooner
Rocky7, it is disappointing that some of your colleagues cannot match your magnaminous attiude. For me, I think the following. Alumina wouldn't have saved any of the goals so it is churlish to criticise Fabianski, an international keeper. Toure was always going to be at the ANC, and considering the run around Djourou and Senderos got, would they have done better? Gilberto has seriously been affected by not getting the captaincy, Fabregas had 72mins to have an impact. Your players did care as they were fighting each other and it could have been worse because Adebayor came close to a red card. A 2-1 defeat is something but 5-1 is something else. Wenger was a little ungracious, but you have to ask - why did the team who had several senior pro's on capitulate? Liverpool came back from 0-3 down against Milan so it could have been possible.
EnglishSpur
Magnanimous in defeat, fellow gooners. I like it. Kudos.
Moorish
Some gooners will take defeat worse than others and some spurs fans won't be as gracious in victory as others. It doesn't tell you that much about either sets of fans. By and large the response has been that the best side on the day deserved the win. In the Wenger era we have managed just one CC final. This will be spuds 3rd having won one so far in the same period. Last season Liverpool reached a CL final and beat us 4-1 in the league after we put 6 past them in the CC. Going out of the CC hasn't bothered us greatly in the past and it shouldn't now. A defeat as comprehensive as this is always hard to take but it's not a seminal moment for either team. It is a cathartic one for Spurs though.
Amos.
5-1......wow....still baffled here...
Blue is the colour
Why Liverpool get to come back from 0-3 down? One, because the stakes were higher. Two, Milan's a BIG CLUB with LOTS of history. Three, the Champions League is miles more prestigious than the Carling Cup. Four, they actually had nothing to lose and everything to gain. In our case, the only thing we'd really lose is the unbeaten streak against you Spuds. The Cup was taken lightly, and we got beaten, simple as that.
entropy13
*About point two, I stated that because regarding the CL, Milan's got a great record in the tournament, so 'Pool able to match them spurned them on.
entropy13
ES- R7's praise went completely overboard, spurs were far the better team (in both games) & I haven't seen one comment to suggest otherwise. However to say that spurs would've beaten any team in europe is completely over the top & not in the slightest bit realistic. Spurs last night wouldn't have beaten a good defensive team. As for your comments re our players is just being silly, Almunia would definately have saved the 3rd goal & in all honesty that was the decisive one, at 3-0 the game was over as a contest. Our centre back last night was really a right back who never actually plays for the first team, so of course Toure or any of the 3 stand in's Senderos, Djourou or Song would have done a better job alongside Gallas. Gilberto has never been a good sub, he needs a consistent run of games to get any sort of form which clearly isn't going to happen at arsenal, so why Wenger continues to pick him is beyond me! Diarra or Flamini playing from the start would have made a massive difference in both games but again selling Diarra wasn't a decision I agreed with, it was way too early. The team lost heavily because they were chasing the match, they could have decided at 2-0 to shut up shop put everyone behind the ball & just suffer a small defeat, but that certainly isn't Wenger's way or the way for any successful manager to act. The unfortunate side to that is occasionally you will suffer heavy defeats & last night was one such occasion.
Ashburton Gooner
And some of the Spurs fan here seems to think that this is the first time Arsenal just got crushed in a match. Don't forget we lost 4-1 to Pool in the league last season, and also 6-1 to ManU (although not so recent), so we're not strangers to this kind of losses. We still played through to the end though, we still tried even at 3-0, and not just park the bus to minimize damage.
entropy13
englishspur we didn't capitulate, we dominated possession and attacked throughout the 2nd half, whilst you shut up shop with 10 behind the ball and took your chances on the counter attack. 5-1 is exaggerated because we had to pour forward and thus leave ourselves vulnerable, and your finishing was clinical. it's knock-out so losing by 4 goals is the same as losing by 1, we had to through caution to the wind and we got punished. Good luck in the final, I hope you beat Chelsea (unless Everton get through, then I'm going for them)
JakeB
*throw caution to the wind
JakeB
I haven't seen the replays (and won't), but did anyone else think that malbranque's goal was well offside? it made no difference in the end of course but he annoys me (not as much as gus poyet)
JakeB
Nope...Gilberto is getting past it. The captaincy doesnt have much to do with it. My fears about Walcott becomes more and more confirmed after every match...Bendtner and Diarby have a really long way to go. KUDOS to Spurs...a thoroughly deserved victory. Enjoy it while it lasts too. Erm...can we count on you to take ManU down a peg? Chelsea also...
number14
AG - Maybe I should have rephrased, they would have beaten any team in Europe who weren't on the top of their game. Last night I saw a group of players who wanted to win a football match more than any group of players in history, losing was not an option to them. I won't take anything away from their victory by saying it was a weakened side, because you can only beat what's put infront you, and they did that emphatically.
Rocky7
AG, I wouldn't dissect Rocky's comments... The sentiment he is sharing is correct and thats all that matters... trying to pick areas of fault in our own team (which was my initial reaction too) is pointless too because we were poor all round. Add to that opponents who were up for it and got to the ball first 90% of the time and there was never any other conclusion than a loss. This morning it hurts more than last night though!!! I try to smile, thinking that now we are out we can sit back and have a good old giggle as Chavs, Everton and Sp*rs tear each other apart, but that's not working! Bring on Newcastle - now!!
Andy-bayor
Gilberto is finished in my book number14, he has been woeful everytime I've seen him this season. We need players who can step into the fray at the drop of a hat, and either he can't because he "needs a run of games" or he's just sulking, either way his performances are not acceptable.
Rocky7
My sentiments exactly R7. I have said this before - but I fear Walcott will not make the grade at Arsenal...and dont give me the "he is young" excuse..hos touches are woeful. Bendtner/Diaby were bad last nite but they seem to have something in store...unlike Walcott
number14
Paltry consolation that it is we have beaten a bigger team (liverpool) by a similar margin in the CC. We have taken 6points of Spurs in the PL this year..os lets go on....i just hope Fabregas can get back into form soon..and that we dont have any injuries. We still have a lot to play for
number14
A fine test for the team...a nice wake up call. What we do now will determine how the season will end
number14
That is the positive number14.......now we're gunna fine out what our squad is really made of. A good kick up the arse never hurt anyone. You never know, come the end of the season we could be thanking Spurs at the end of the season......ok maybe not.
Rocky7
A-b, I'm not dissecting R7's comments at all. Spurs done well & deserved to win, but one excellent performance doesn't mean anything, for all the gloating they are doing right now one look at the premier league table should give them a reality check or maybe some of them are so stupid they don't actually realise they are in a relegation battle!! I hate spurs with a passion, I hate everything about them & if the FA had any balls they would throw spurs out the competition & award the cup to the winners of tonights match between Everton & Chelski. I say that because of the behaviour yet again of the spurs fans before & during the match last night. However it seems that the spurs fans like the liverpool fans are allowed to get away with bouts of violence!!
Ashburton Gooner
i hear adebayer hit bendtner las night, is thus true. also i c arsenal brin there own commentater wit them in the form of alan smith!
stephen mchugh
I can't see how our youngsters will ever actually improve. Diaby has all the technical ability in the world, but he isn't gaining any experience & then when he has to step up like last night he fails miserable because his decision making at the moment is non exsistent. Denilson has gone backwards this year (again he doesn't play, but we all know how good this kid could be). Maybe squad players need to be older 25-28 so they can step straight in, however you would then have to accept that those players aren't going to be so good, otherwise they would be playing regularly elsewhere. It's fantastic having so many young pro's but like Bentley & Sidwell (when he was at reading) have shown, they need regular football to make that last step forward.
Ashburton Gooner
AG - My comments weren't based on the actions of some idiotic fans (though I am disapointed that Howard the Coward did seem to just dismiss the objects thrown at Cesc) they weren't based on Spurs crappy league performances, they were based on one match in which they were undeniably good!! I know it's tough to take because it was Spurs and because of the manner of the defeat, but you just gotta take it on the chin.
Rocky7
Still can't understand why your big guns weren't there from the start. It's still a cup semi-final, it's a wembley showpiece, it's your hated rivals, it's for the fans. The disrespect get's you a big slap in the face.
storagematt
eer, Rocky, spurs were good, but not that good.You suffered a goal at the start, the tottenham fans went wild, and your players buckled under pressure.After the own goal, they were lost on the pitch.It's understandable, most are still young players.You didn't have a proper midfield.Gilberto let himself get dribbled by Jermaine Jenas, of course Jenas morale would improve for the rest of the match, but he's still jenas. Tottenham will be easily defeated by Chelsea or Everton, both teams have a strong midfield, and deadly attack.It was all about gaining mometum at the right time.
k_chelski
AG squad players at the age of 25-28 are usually less than average and those who are decent cost a fortune and Manure and Chavs are the only ones who can afford them. Still they are not better off then Arsenal. At AFC, take Edu and a few more of his caliber, the reserves at Arsenal (or any other team) are a. young and inexperienced but with lots of potential, or Gooners like Hoyte b. of Cyganesque quality or c. Hyppiasque age and quality (Gilberto is almost there). As far as our youngsters, Diaby is making lots of bad decisions (like Walcott) and keeping the ball too much, Theo is at the lowest point of his short career (largely because of low confidence), Traore needs a lot of work on his positioning and defending, and Bendtner is still raw but very very talented. Denilson is just unlucky, and Fabianski came this year. They can improve vastly and I trust AW to see that happen. Biggest concern is Theo.
G4L
Could this be reverse fortune? Will spuds dominate you now? Oh well,it was only your reserves,s*******!
MFC67
There's no easy solution to keeping a whole squad happy all the time and having top calibre players available on-tap. In my opinion we should be happy with the balance that we have today even though they sometimes fail to deliver. To put it in context, this time they failed to deliver in the Carling Cup so its not the end of the world. They did get us to the semis and showed some real fireworks along the way though! Please somebody bring the weekend and Newcastle forward -now!
Andy-bayor
Diaby will notch up around twice as many appearances this season than he did last and probably more than Sidwell will make for Chelsea - he is gaining experience. Same with Denilson who has also made almost as many appearances so far this season as in the whole of last. Playing youngsters you just have to accept that the form and decision making will be variable. Thats an easier risk to take if you are mid table and not challenging for anything or in danger of relegation but quite another if you are in with a shout of the major titles. Not all will make it but we just have to accept that progress for these players will be slow but the policy may yet yield another Flamini with time and patience.
Amos.
G4L i disagree about Theo...there is a certain something lacking in his first touch. At least we see Diarby go past defenders a few times...before he ends up taking one touch too many or gets to lazy in his tackling. I think somehow also Denilson would have been good to have. The boy can tackle....something an out of form Fabregas cant seem to do presently. I really really hope my fears about Theo are wrong...but gents and ladies I can predict that he wont make the cut in this club. He might become an experiment that failed...bring on Vela next season and a fit (could-it-ever-be) RVP and we are game. I cant remember too many players in Arsenal dissappearing for too many games like Theo does.
number14
Spurs starting XI average age: 26.82 (295/11) Spurs match squad average age: 25.63 (410/16) Players 24 or younger: Boateng and Lennon, 20 O'Hara and Huddlestone, 21 Dawson and Jenas, 24 Players over 24: Cerny, Lee Young-Pyo, King, Malbranque, Chimbonda, Berbatov, Keane, Defoe, Tainio, Robinson Arsenal starting XI average age: 22.91 (252/11) Arsenal match squad average age: 22.56 (361/16) Players 24 or younger: Walcott and Traore, 18 Denilson and Mannone, 19 Bendtner and Fabregas, 20 Diaby, 21 Fabianski, 22 Adebayor, Flamini and Hoyte, 23 Eduardo and Sagna, 24 Players over 24: Hleb, Gallas, Gilberto Just a comparison of ages, and possibly of "maturity" and experience.
entropy13
We really dont have a choice but to play youngsters anyways...except u want an expensive bench like ManU does...I think Diarby gets enough games for his age in a team of Arsenals calibre. MAybe they need some talking to...and time. If the first team can be relatively injury free we should be ok
number14
K_Chelski, I think you forget two things. The return of King has had a huge impact on the defence and Dawson seems to have recovered his confidence. Ramos also seems to be getting the best out of Jenas again. Even Wenger said he had potential to be a top player before he joined us, and it looks like he is finally showing some consistency in his game. What was surprising last night was that the senior players (Gallas, Sagna, Gilberto) were given a torrid time. I'm hoping that your arrogant attitude will be transferred to our opponents in the final. What Ramos may have brought us is the ability to close out games, and considering how close we came to knocking you out in the QF of the FA Cup last year, your bragging seems to have little foundation in reality
EnglishSpur
number14, Theo will not fail - he will become a hero in North London. He's a slower developer but given time to grow he will be very special. I don't think its necessarily bad that he's having confidence problems... it's just another obstacle that he will need to overcome so he grows as a person and a player. Down with the Theo-doubters I say!!
Andy-bayor
Ok. I hope for the good of club and country that you are right and I am wrong
number14
Regarding Howard the Coward (allegedly) it is interesting that he did not send off Adebayor and Bendtner. After all Bowyer and Dyer got sent off for fighting not that long ago, though I think Bowyer was deemed the aggressor. In this case it was Adebayor so Webb may have done you a favour unless the FA intervene. And the offence for any behaviour within a ground would normally be a fine in the first incidence, outside of the ground and off the club's property it is the responsibility of the police. It could well be that these 'thugs' didn't even go to the game but were in local pubs. After all, should Arsenal be banned because they have thugs amongst their supporters (Osama **********)? In the case of Feyenoord being thrown out of the UEFA Cup, there was significant violence in the ground necessitating a suspension of the game, plus a number of the thugs there had stadium banning orders which were not enforced. If you have the rule about things getting thrown at players you'd never finish a game in the Primera Division.
EnglishSpur
ES, thanks for sympathising and putting forward such fantastic points. You are obviously quite happy with the thuggery (the real one outside stadiums) that exists today.
Andy-bayor
It weren't that bad last night at all, going into the ground i've never seen so many robo-cops. Outside i didn't really see a whiff, and i left after the final whistle. They love making their **** hole of a ground an intimidating place to go, but that's another argument.
AFC85Lew
ES, just how has Ramos brought ability to close games I fail to see. Under him I remember you taking the lead against us (lost), Villa (lost), while Chelsea beat you without a lot of effort. Then there is the three Reading games which were everything but closed (6-4, 1-1, 0-1). Then there's the famous "enough is enough" by Gus Poyet. The only 2 changes he has made is bench Robbo (which was a master stroke tbh) and give young O'Hara a few games. The rest is pretty much the same: King can't play more than a game a week, Bent is a waste of space, Berbatov still sulks, Jenas plays good 1 game and is gone the next three, etc. Get real for once.
G4L
ES, the arsenal players were lost, they didn't know where to go, what position, who to pass, etc.You were dominated not so long ago by Chelsea, completely dominated. Last season you almost knocked us out at stamford bridge, yet we drew, that's the difference, tottenham was dealing with mature players, that know how to easily deal with pressure. That is also why you easily lost at white hart lane, and were knocked out. Call it arrogant if you want, you will easily lose at the final.
k_chelski
No, I am not. I do however think that to suggest most Spurs fans are thugs and the club should be thrown out of the competition, whilst Arsenal fans are ALL whiter than white is pretty poor. After all, no club can take responsibility for events outside of the ground - they are not a private police force and in many cases these are not genuine fans - whilst within the grounds, you should only condemn those who commit the offence not penalise all. There was no mention of items being thrown at Fabregas mentioned on any news outlet I could find, and its just a shame that one or two of your posters cannot react like Rocky7 and Lou the Gunneress.
EnglishSpur
I'm happy to hear that random violence - even outside a stadium - is not something you support ES. You are also correct that many of these fools seemed to be coming out of pubs. Coming back inside the stadium, there were things thrown at Cesc during corners but I suspect it was fruit and the like... he picked up what appeared to be a banana and I was amazed to see him chuck it back into the crowd!
Andy-bayor
In 1990/1991 we lost 6-2 to Man Utd in the league cup and went on to win the league with only losing one game. Could be an omen.
entropy13
SkySports is looking for Rocky! http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_3072574,00.html
entropy13
ES, what is it you want exactly? Everyone on here has said you deserved to win, both matches in all honesty, so I don't really understand what you're complaining about?? Are you seriously saying that we should all be saying Spurs beat us so they must be the best team in the world?.........As for the spurs fans, I think you'll find its more than a minority of them & its certainly more than one match. My whole point on that issue was that the spurs supporters have got away with violence year after year (outside the ground) & pelting opposition players & fans with dangerous objects inside the gound. It appears though the FA lack any sort of bottle to actually sort out the problem & spurs clearly don't want to take action against the aggressors!! Every team has bad supporters, its just spurs seem to be proud of theirs!!
Ashburton Gooner
Well done goons....I would like to think us spurs boys would be a gracious but then again thats not easy when its been 21 games ! Honest question, when was the last time you lost by so many goals? I'm guessing its been a while. And knowing you lot I imagine this will be the kick up the butt you needed to kick on and seriously challenge for the title...
skins
once again..congrats spurs...suck it up arsenal. Nice article i here in http://gunnerblog.com/ (lets not pretend). And this too - http://thirdgen.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/tottenhams-dog-has-its-day-at-last-and-what-a-day-for-them/ ----------as this article also says "The vile abuse directed at Arsene Wenger is over and above what constitutes banter...missiles directed at Cesc Fabregas....the silent majority at Tottenham deserve better. Football deserves better" (http://www.goonerholic.com/). It was a good run for us - at least I think Arsene is generally ok going out at this stage as he never seems to be desperate about the CC
number14
the next match for Arsenal cant come soon enuff...Spurs can mark this one down on their calendar...but they better remember to write 22 IN BOLD beside it. Have a nice day all
number14
Exactly Andy-bayour, in Europe its loo role and fruit and the occasional pigs head all the time and no-one bats an eyelid. And Ashburton Gooner, how about the time Carragher got sent off for throwing an object back into the crowd, a dangerous object thrown at him by Gooners - should Arsenal have been immediately thrown out of that competition? When living in a glass house, those stones can be tricky little blighters :)
EnglishSpur
I'm with you ES as far as your tiff with chelski goes, I'd love to see them go down tonight and have the cup go to someone outside the big 4 (now that we're out)
JakeB
I'm gutted about the margin of defeat yesterday. And perhaps it didn't matter as much to our players. But no-one can deny Spurs didn't deserve the victory or that the score flattered them. They were that much better than us in truth. And towards the end we just threw the noose around our necks by commiting so many forward trying to come back. On the Ade/Bendtner incident I read somewhere that Ade said something like "pretend you're defending this one" when we won the corner. Fecking hilarious if true. But in all a night to forget for us gooners. Well done Spurs.
Wyn Mills
if we beat everton tonight then weve won the carling cup........good to see arsenal get thrashed by a average spurs team....how can u let jenes get motm?
MrDax
ES, the point is that you cannot condone bad behaviour. We all have bad supporters, but like AG said, sometimes you do give the impression that you are proud of yours. I would hazard that in the chucking-things league table you are probably doing well but I have no stats to back this up... anyway this isn't relevant to last night alone, so I will refrain from this discussion for now.
Andy-bayor
Well, I'll happily join the club and congratulate spurs I must admit, I didn't think they had the quality in them. Also, I don't think this new form coincides with a new gaffer, Ramos obviously knows his stuff. It was a sterling performance, and not to take anything away, but don't think we played well, lads. The team was *****e, all the way from Fabianski, who looked about as useful as one of these Polish toilet cleaners to young Theo Walcott up front, who, worryingly, had another quiet, useless game. It's not the best feeling getting spanked by your rivals, but it had to come eventually, and I'm pleased that it hasn't cost us any points, just knocked us out of the competition we had the least intention of winning. Fair play, spurs, good luck in the final. And also, thanks to the fans for making this a civilised debate and not just coming over hear to gloat about nothing *cough BITC cough*
super_gooner
again i would like to say that i am really embarrassed,i just cant believe we only drew 1-1 with birmingham city....
fran merida
It was a long time coming....and what a gratifying scoreline for Spurs....!
horseworrier
they will love the score line ... wheather they played our first team or our under 12's lmfao ! just for the fact that we are a big club ... and it looks good in there record books LMFAO !!! small clubs love to see wins against big famous teams in the record books :-D
Achilles
Super gooner....gloat about nothing? you got arse r a pe d 5-1 by spuds yesterday, and were off to WE-EMBERLEY for another final. so: AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Blue is the colour
Fran, almost forgot: AVE IT! LOOOOL!!
Blue is the colour
Spuds! Enjoy this one. Worthless Cup. Wow! Watching their celebrations, I see that it must be truly horrible to be in the shadows of The Gunners for so long. It must feel like the World Cup Final to the spuddies. Enjoy.
Warri Gooner
All you gooners going on about how we celebrated you celebrate every 3 points in the league like that.
n17 yid
How typical of a lot of the spuds on here - ungratious in defeat or in victory. At least the majority of arsenal fans are gracious enough to admit that we were beaten by the better team on the night, as was i until some of the subsequent posts really hacked me off. For spuds to now try an compare themselves as are equals is very funny indeed. Maybe after 9 years of consistent performances they will have earnt themselves the right but for now, just enjoy the rare feeling of success.
Cesky
As for the Chavs, well BIT(C), i don't remember your team having much success without the dodgy russian mafia bankrolling you. WHat happens when your oligarch gets bored of his plaything and pulls out all his cash - you'll soon fade back into obscurity. Bragging rights are earnt, not bought, so shut the smeg up will you. It pains me to say it, but i hope the Spuds play as well against you as they did against us. They will definitely win it then.
Cesky
I meant BITC(H)!
Cesky
cesky, i think if you look through all of the posts on here and on vital spurs then you will notice that most spurs fans have been fine and been very gratious in victory. You haven't had to put up with much in the way of p*ss taking so i do think your comments are a little unjust. Yes there will always be some people that try to wind others up and gloat but you have to be realistic.
spursfan4eva
Spurs fan, having looked back through this post, i agree. WHat had hacked me off was the number of spurs fans registering as members to make pure wind up posts on our forums, even forums completely unrelated to the game. NOt that this is my site, but i would always welcome reasonable fans of the beautiful game such as yourself and admittedly a lot of the other spurs fans who posted here.
Cesky
i bet you choked on that pint!
merlin
A question to Arsenal fans: Why do you lot believe the Carling Cup is a small cup? The winner of the Carling Cup get a place in Europe just like the winner of the FA Cup. Do you think the FA Cup is a Small cup? I don't think you do. Please explain this logic to me.
SpankTheArse
(Woh this is too good to be true - a Spurs fan asking this, no Gooners anwering before me.) 1. Because we've been qualifying for Europe every year through league positions for 10 years (CL that is, already not counting UEFA Cup before the Wenger era) and expect to do so again this year, unlike clubs below us in the league. 2. FAC isn't a small cup, but we don't technically 'need' it as a ticket to Europe, though to some clubs it may be an 'easier' way in than fighting for a top 4 or top 7 finish, depending which 'Europe' CC gives you (which I don't know as we're not exactly going after that). It's more like a domestic honour, which of course is great to win (secondary to EPL and CL). 3. CC is for blooding youth for AW, though he's tinkered with the team, sometimes forced sometimes half-heartedly. Would you say you desperately want to win the FA Youth Cup? CC means more than FAYC because it's against first-teams, but it's 4th in our bunch of fish to fry. Just my opinion anyway, but I guess a fairly large amount of Gooners would have similar sentiments. And I have a technical question back to you too: Don't you only get a European place through winning CC if the FAC winners finish top 4? Who's given priority and how, FAC winners first? Or do both get places in Europe under the new rule?
Lou the Gunneress
Sorry in point 2, -CC +FAC
Lou the Gunneress
BITC, how does it concern you? Oh, I see, your delighted that we lost because you knew you would be in for a spanking? Nah, of course not, you're the mighty Chelsea, and we never beat you.. oh wait...
super_gooner
 

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