Well Done Tottenham

Bloody hell fire there`s 25 mins to go have you no faith in your boys. I bet you leave when your 1-0 down with ten mins to go. This a total thrashing and a footballing lesson too. 4-1?????? I bet you wish you stayed!

We REALLY phucked the gooners tonight!!!!!! COME ON YOU SPURRRRS!!!!!!!!!! Did you see wengers face? he cant believe it after all the 5hit he spoke pre-match. "WE are the mighty TOTTENHAM and we are going to wembley..."

Footballing lesson? From Spurs? lol ok. Still, ***** happes, at least we're still in all the important competitions. Well done Spurs, you've beaten us for the first time in 9 years. You deserved it, enjoy the final. Gooners, chin up, there's still three trophies well and truly up for grabs, and losing is all part of the education.

lovely stuff!!! 5 ******** 1.................awesome!!!!

simmy, id be more suprised by the 4-1 drubbing...cox it was 5-1!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol......*****ing hell. A tad embarassing, but that's the risk you take. They would have beaten the full first team with that performance. Can't argue with that!!

Go get 'em powerspur, you deserve it ;)

well done sp*rs, they did deserve it. nice to see some manure fans gloating, especially after their great display at home to coventry city.

Well done. They are still a bunch of ***** though.

22 matches and its over. Diaby, the back four, Hleb, almost everyone were truly terrible. But Spurs(I wont censor that word today) were awesome. Time for wenger to resign (Only kidding)

Brilliant, seeing key players like Gallas, Sagna, Hleb and Fabregas playin virtually the entire game in the carling cup... hopefully Arsenal will be knackered long before the end of the season.

I think if it'd been a close game I would probably be *****ed off, but I can't stop laughing.....we got absolutely slapped!!! Lol.

Meh, Let me tell you guys something. To me, this loss means nothing. We've been spanked by the Spuds, it was going to happen one day and today was that day. What's the problem? We're out of the Carling Cup. Yeh, and? What you're all failing to see, is the future. And by that I mean the spanking the Spuds are going to get at the hands of Chelsea in the final.

so what is the excuse this time mates:)?

the first time in 9 years i think...

there's no excuses mate.. read the post before u post will ya.. the unanimous decision here is that spurs played us off the field and we'll be gracious in defeat.. its their day after a very long time and let em enjoy the feeling.. they know, its gonna be another 22 games before they feel the same

btw folks what happened between Gallas and Bendtner? i was following the live commentary on gamecast, and the fellow sad they got into a fight and were separated by the other lads just in time..

Thought your time was NOW, and THIS was your season? AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. :)))

Bitc u are a plonker

"you'll never beat the arsenal" when it matters

I think a Champions League game against Milan is a bigger game than a Carling Cup semi final against Spurs so I think we might be slightly more motivated for Cockeril! But well done Spurs, god knows you deserve it over the 2 legs, i'm man enough to admit that! Its taken you bloody long enough! You enjoy it guys. lol

lads we have bounced back from adversity before, and we will do it again. this can actually be an eye opener for the team, and im glad it happened before the milan game, cuz now we know where we have to work on our game. just imagine if we would have lost to milan like this, that would have ended our season. we should thank the spuddies for opening our eyes and this will only make us more desperate for the league and the champions league. and someone please update me about the bendtner and gallas fight. what happened there?

I'm also feeling a strange relief that the record is gone (the home record still intact - that's even longer right?! LOL) and we can start from a clean slate without that burden (well Spurs too), whatever the hell does that mean now?

BITC, I don't mind you coming here to take the p1ss, but cut the stupid HTML, it will be deleted!!

unwell, losing 2-1...or even 3-1 can be reffered to as "we lost the game"....but 5-1?? 6-2 agg, v the Topfourenhamhotspuds...???? that´s getting taken apart and laughed off the pitch. LOL

I agree with luckys, I'm surprisingly not down about this now. It really hurt since 2-0, but now I'm strangely positive about things. We've had bigger frustrations than this - last year's CC final where we outplayed Chelsea for the most part, not to mention the CL final in the year before. I do agree that we actually can thank Spurs for spurring our guys on to working harder in the league and CL where it really matters a lot more.

before the game you lots were really arrogant about beating the spurs i knew it wouldnt happen.

Fu**, I've just broke a fingernail!!!! Oh, Spurs knocked us out of the CC tonight. Anybody know somebody who can do a good manicure, lol!

Did you no los 5-1 in the semi a few years back u lil B!tch? Well done Spurs thouroughly deserved win.

Oh, btw, feck Boris, Gallas for Mayor. LOOOL, He was feckin SOLID tonight eh? :)

HAHAHA we beat you, dont care if it was your B team, womens team or the fact that your manager roots goats, not only were we the better team over to games 5-1 at WHL, LOVE IT....HAHAHA.

Congrats spuds, felt that this was on the cards but hands held high you deserved it. Tonight the scum will party like its (November) 1999

Rocky7, despite our disagreements, I have respect for your comments tonight - it is refreshing that the 'kids' excuse hasn't been used - you did have some senior players as well, but I do think that after our performance at the Emirates, a defeat would have been worse for us than you. And I think that I also agree with Lou, that this sort of result might refocus minds at the Emirates and be beneficial for you in other competitions.

Well done spuds it had to happen at some stage and cher up fellow gunners, we'll sonn have back Clichy, Toure, Flamini and RVP and next game Wenger will start with Eduardo, Fab, Rociky and Ade so I would not worry, we'll bounce back straight away and spuds enjoy your win see you in top four next season lol.

any chance that they will make a DVD for this historic victory?

I don't think we have much choice but to take it on the chin, Spurs were that good tonight that there' nothing more we can say. Great performance. Fully expect them to clinch a UEFA cup place now. Fair play too. No complaints from me.

They've got no chance in the final though.

ES - best comment from you ever! (Not bcos you agreed with me LOL, but common sense does prevail sometimes. LOL) And it feels really strange that so many of us did appreciate the Spurs team together with Spurs fans (for me anyway). A really strange feeling that is.

iceman...calm down mate. it was only a cup semi final...against a club you all claim to be crappier than you....and they only took you apart 5-1, just after you all wrote them off, I´m sure they´ll have forgotten all about it tomorrow, no T-shirts. no DVDs...and won´t ever mention it again.... LOOOL :)

I would like to thank all the arsenal fans that have put honest congratulatory comments on here and on vital spurs. Well done guys. I will apologise for any spurs fans that come on and really rub it in as there is being chuffed about the game and then there is being annoying. I am sure you will be the same with some of the arsenal fans comments as well. All in all it was a good game (maybe not for you guys) and i was nervous before hand but we really came out and did exactly what we needed to do. I cant remember seeing Fabregas being so quiet in a game before. Arsenal played fairly well but i think it was more the performance of spurs that shut you guys out. Anyway as i said, thank you to all the genuine and honest arsenal fans

Well didn't expect this result, deserved to go through Spurs over the two legs.

Wenger + Arsenal Team - The most dis-honourable and arrogant manager and players EVER ? We gave your boys a good "seeing to" tonight....open wide, this won't hurt a bit MUUUUAAAACCCCCHHHHHHHH...C O M E ON U SPURS (TO WEMBLEEEEEY) MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Full credit to the Spuds - (it doesn't really make up for 9 years of failure but it probably feels like it) they deserved their win. Strange that we started the game as though we were the ones that had something to prove. In the unbeaten season we lost in the semi's of the CC to Middlesborough (not so comprehensively it should be said) and in the title winning season before that we were knocked out of the CC at the Quarter final stage taking a 4-0 pasting from Blackburn. In reality it means little to our season though Spurs will feel rightly chuffed by the result. Good luck to them but, at the same time, worth remembering that the last time they reached the CC final they beat Chelsea in the semi's 5-1 only to lose to Bolton. As Rocky says there's no point in dishing it out if we can't take it when wit's our turn to do so but thanks for the 6 points this season though.

Well Rocky, you don´t have to endure the witless posts of your fans made on our forum suggesting you lot will win the Quad and that we won´t even reach a final, any final. So in case you wonder why I´m sort of happy right now...go figure. 5-1 v Spuds...wow...surely a PL winning team you have there...

I just personally think it's hilarious. Great work by the spuds. Doesn't it make you guys worry if you're really hit by an injury crisis?

You're all just trying to save face. It's not that hard to figure out.

You're right BITC, but I do have to endure your meaningless drivel, so pardon me if I don't really care what you're feeling!!

LOL Rocky. Fair play to you Gooners for being honest.COME ON YOU SPURS!!!

BITC, we hammered you 5-1 in the semis in 2001, can't you remember that...

Riessy - I make a point of trying to keep my comments when taking the pee out of Spurs fans strictly on a footballing level (Sometimes I fail, but the intent is there) because I know fine well that one day it will come back to bite me in the arse. And today those Spurs fans earned themselves a massive chunk of my fairly ample rear end!!

I'm surprised so few people other than Spurs fans have come to give us a hard time. Maybe the ManU fans are gutted that their bragging rights were long gone, after getting thrown out of this competition by, er, Coventry, 3 rounds ago? Also, am I the only one who's fancying Everton to win CC this year?

Oh Rocky you beat me to that! So I'm not alone on Everton! :P

Paul, I salute you for that article, must of been a git to write. Well done to our boys for tonight and a real unexpected well done to all the gracious Arsenal fans on here. Good to see real fans, not the idiots we both have.....even though we all enjoy a bit of banter.

Scott and other Spurs fans, thank you back for coming here to thank us for saying the truth - that's all we did, really. Strangely, I can imagine how thrilled you guys must be. Enjoy this and have a great weekend too - now go on and throw ManU out of FAC!

LOL Rocky can I join you?!! :D

Guess I've gone from disappointed to calm to now thinking stupid things: I think Spurs will definitely publish a DVD to commemorate this win. Just that they'll hold on until Feb - if surprisingly they go on to lift the cup, they'll publish an entire box set full of goodies, including some miniature Carling Cups - one 3D version of which serves as a paperweight, and a 2D one as a mouse pad. If they lose the final, they'll just publish the historic 5-1 home win over the Arsenal on a beautiful DVD.

Lou - It gets better, I'm going to use my second xbox controller to select Spurs' formation and they will be playing 1-1-8......and to make life easier, I will be picking Paul Robinson to play in goal for them!!!! lol.

PG - I think trying to downgrade their victory in anyway is a bit wrong. They gave us a proper slapping, and would have beaten any team they put out. It's hard to take, but it's true. But football is beautiful and there's always the next game to take your mind off the last one!!

Rocky, next game yes, and next season too - in Scott's words, they're "masters of it"! LOL But thankfully we don't have to wait for next season (after next season), like the title of Ozi Gooner's article, "Our time is now"!

PG did you watch? It wasn't the kids they beat, 4 of our first-teammers (plus one ex-first-teammer Gilberto) played...

Your time is up and there more to come the Ramos revolution has begun, beware the SPURS, and stay off the moors.

Rocky, in perspective, spurs fought hard and wanted it much more, they played good attacking football, we couldn't string a pass together and the kids didn't seem to fire tonight, to bring on Ade and expect miracles was too much. But i am not dissapointed, in perspective, spuddies are estactic at 1 beating us and 2 getting to final for the first time in 10 years, no matter what competition. in perspective though, unless they win it they won't get europe, and the team they play will field a 1st XI, every dog has its day and after 9 years it was about time they had theirs. i remember the hoo doo of spurs playing chelsea and them winning.. i am just waiting now for all the chants of how they are going to dislodge us from the top 4, thats what i can't stand over results such as these, they beat a 2nd Arsenal team tonight, yes played well and walloped us, but its not the Prem, where are points total is double compared to theirs and its not in the champions league. As someone once said, Form is tempory, class is permanant !

Fibre-Glass, Ar&e-hole wenker, Pleb, Van-Pu55 ey, Nicky Bender, Gigallo Silva, Your-not-Sicky, Willy-less Gall'ass, Ad-enough-byo,Thicko-Walnut, Justin-just-out-of-the-cup Hurt (dont it), Flam-miniskirt, Dont-no-son, Diarby-County Your boys took one hell of a beatin from the mighty SPURS, yyyyeeeeeaaahhhhhhhhhh !!!!

PG I understand how you're feeling. I don't think Rocky or many of us are sad about this. To be honest I felt 10 times more gutted after the CC final last year. This time they won fair and square. And we really have bigger fish to fry and that's not an excuse. I'd even say that if this galvanise the team to do better in the league and CL, every bit of this (little bit of) pain we're feeling (and the nightmare you guys endure when you go back to work tomorrow) is well worth it.

In fairness Andy, we were missing Alumnia, Clichy, Toure, Flamini, Rosicky, Adebayor & van Persie.....but thats certainly no excuse, and certainly not to take anything away from spurs who were extremely professional throughout the two games, whilst we were just, well.....****!! That said, I agree that it should have been one or the other!!

Ar&e-hole wenker, Fibre-Glass, Pleb, Van-Pu55 ey, Nicky Bender, Gigallo Silva, Your-not-Sicky, Willy-less Gall'ass, Ad-enough-byo,Thicko-Walnut, Justin-just-out-of-the-cup Hurt (dont it), Flam-miniskirt, Dont-no-son, Diarby-County Your boys took one hell of a beatin from the mighty SPURS, yyyyeeeeeaaahhhhhhhhhh !!!!

Andy, if we count our First XI as Almunia; Clichy, Gallas, Kolo, Sagna; Rosicky, Cesc, Flamini, Hleb; RvP and Ade; we started with 3 first-teammers, Cesc came on early on 18' bcos of Denilson's injury, Ade played for about 30 mins. So we can say we played 4.5 first-teammers against Spurs. Not missing only 3 those first-teammers though - and how could you forget Kolo...

yeah I'm gobbin off just like you invade our site and gob off when you winn. It's our night tonight, more to come. We hate gooners, We hate gooners, We hate gooners, We hate gooners,

Rocky you beat me to that answer again. Guess I can now keep quiet and add "Exactly" to your comments? How's your game going? Did "muppet" score against you? LOL

Not started it yet....but I will!!!! ***** the higlights have just started on SkySports.....need...to...switch.....over!!!!

Wenger has never won the League Cup and we have never really tried to. Even last seasons final was a glorious failure. Tonight was a less glorious one as, purely for the reason it was the Spuds, we decided we would take it sort of seriously for once. We put out a half decent team against a stronger and more determined side. We turned it into a game that we felt we needed to win rather than just compete in and if we won then fine - the kids would get another outing. Spurs would probably have won whatever side we put out - it was just too important to them to win this one.

I forgot about Almunia Rocky, but Robin and Kolo would not have been available anyway so they don't really count. Anyway that's history now... I'm going to try and sleep it off, although having said that I have a meeting with someone tomorrow who is a Spud so I'll never hear the end of it!!

TBH, no it doesn't, the statistics still say that we didn't beat you for 8/9 years. But having said that, no Spurs fan is going to look past tonights win until we next meet. It just makes a pleasant change (for Spurs supporters) that WE can now look forward to going into work and rub it in the many faces of Arsenal supporters.

Ah, ok, I getcha, I thought you were naming our strongest line up!! Just take it on the chin tomorrow Andy, what more can you do?!

Andy-bayor, I think it was mainly a case of relief for Spurs fans tonight. All the pressure was on us to get a result as it was widely regarded as our best chance of beating yous since 1999. Beating Arsenal tonight was kind of expected amongst us, but the way in which we did it wasn't, and that's the most pleasing part.

Andy, I don't mean to rub salt into our wounds. But did you see the sad Gooners leaving when it's 4-0? I salute you for staying till the end, through thick and thin. (Don't tell me you didn't!!!)

McGooner, right, I'm moving on - reading Ozi Gooner's article, to which I agree, so I'm back in my old optimistic self now.

I feel happy i missed this game(my first this season) and went to see Chris Rock instead who i must say was brilliant tonight. It was a funny feeling at St Pancras to see spurs fans lose their minds with Yid army & Wembley chants. Must be a big relief to break the run. I heard adebayors goal was really good?

ISn't it even more idiotic to gloat for a club you don't support?

ExiL, yeah I also think Ramos is doing very well in turning things around for you guys. Like with Berbatov, it's a question of keeping him now. TO be honest, I kind of agree with Arsene when he said "the scoreline doesn't reflect the true story" or something like that. But you guys really deserved it. I was even scratching my head and wondering why you're in that league position, that's just strange how things went before Ramos came. Not to say it's entirely Martin Jol's problem though. Anyway, you guys have a good day tomorrow, I'm sure you'll enjoy the bragging rights. Now I just hope we go to Wembley the other way. (Er, won't be disappointed even if we don't. Moscow's definitely a better place to go.)

Having just managed to stand up after bending over to spurs fans who I should add deserved to win and how they did win, nevertheless the major problem for me was the flare up towards the end of the match. To see Arsenal players fighting with each other does really worry me. It was a cup match conclusively won by the better team, second team what a load of waffle, the team we put out was a top team but lacked the ability to win. Having been down this road in the past that was not a worry but fighting between Arsenal players, that is new and very worrying.

Oh how I hope Everton can win it now. Heck, Ill even support the chav$ over these scums. Our arses were torn apart and the worst part is many of them weren't even youngsters. I've never seen Sagna and Gallas play this badly. Walcott is too light weight and Hleb was *****e. I can only take solace from the fact that this was a mickey mouse cup and the scums wanted it much much more than we did to get into Europe. Well played Tottenham, you deserved it. Arsenal, I really really want to see a back clash against the barcodes. I can see us winning 5-1 :)

Rocky god must be on holiday!

We should all admit, Arsenal fans, that our club is s**t.

They deserved it though, and getting to the cup final might be their only chance of getting to Europe. :P

Oh and btw, we dont get into europe by being in the final, thats the FA cup, we have to win the league cup... fingers crossed lol

yes, we have not beaten the scum in 9 years and 22 attempts even though we got really close and in a few instances amazingly unlucky and in a couple completely robbed by ref decisions... yes, we regularly lose to the gooners and yes, they have achieved amazing things far and away bigger than what we have achieved in the last 13 years... BUT never ever have they ever embarrassed us. Never have we wilted and given up at war with them. even after defeat we could keep our heads high in that we offered a real challenge. HOWEVER, todays result is nothing short of total and utter HUMILATION. At least we have never known what that feels like..

And of course win the CC. Still, can't see beyond either Everton or Chelsea, and Everton even has the chance to finish 4th in the league

R7- I think you're prone to extreme over exaggeration by saying spurs would have beaten any team in europe last night. The fact is our defence was non exsistent & it was only a few of our first team playing. Sagna, Gallas & Hleb are the only automatic first teamers that started & whilst Cesc may have played a large portion of the game we were already 1-0 down & chasing the match by the time he came on. As an Arsenal fan you would have to be beyond stupid to think that we deserved anything other than the spanking we got, but I actually think this will be the best thing for us. Firstly Wenger will no longer take spurs so lightly (which I'm delighted about because I hate losing to them even in reserve or youth games), secondly the players won't take spurs so lightly, & lastly, if you could pick any competition to lose a game to spurs in every gooner to a man would pick the CC. I said it weeks ago that Chelski will win this cup & I still believe that, Spurs were that desperate to beat us & the game was built up for them by the media who kept on about this winless run, thankfully the media will have to shut up about that now. Assuming Chelski get through tonight they will match spurs desperation to win this cup, not that the actual trophy is important to their players because like us they are a bigger club than that, but Avram Grant needs that win to get credibility from people outside of Chelski. I also remember Cheski being hammered by spurs after a long winless run & spurs fans were declaring then that their hoodoo was over against chelski, yet how many years did it take for them to register another win?? 5 or 6 if I'm not mistaken, if that same thing happens with us I'll be delighted.

Rocky7, it is disappointing that some of your colleagues cannot match your magnaminous attiude. For me, I think the following. Alumina wouldn't have saved any of the goals so it is churlish to criticise Fabianski, an international keeper. Toure was always going to be at the ANC, and considering the run around Djourou and Senderos got, would they have done better? Gilberto has seriously been affected by not getting the captaincy, Fabregas had 72mins to have an impact. Your players did care as they were fighting each other and it could have been worse because Adebayor came close to a red card. A 2-1 defeat is something but 5-1 is something else. Wenger was a little ungracious, but you have to ask - why did the team who had several senior pro's on capitulate? Liverpool came back from 0-3 down against Milan so it could have been possible.

Some gooners will take defeat worse than others and some spurs fans won't be as gracious in victory as others. It doesn't tell you that much about either sets of fans. By and large the response has been that the best side on the day deserved the win. In the Wenger era we have managed just one CC final. This will be spuds 3rd having won one so far in the same period. Last season Liverpool reached a CL final and beat us 4-1 in the league after we put 6 past them in the CC. Going out of the CC hasn't bothered us greatly in the past and it shouldn't now. A defeat as comprehensive as this is always hard to take but it's not a seminal moment for either team. It is a cathartic one for Spurs though.

Why Liverpool get to come back from 0-3 down? One, because the stakes were higher. Two, Milan's a BIG CLUB with LOTS of history. Three, the Champions League is miles more prestigious than the Carling Cup. Four, they actually had nothing to lose and everything to gain. In our case, the only thing we'd really lose is the unbeaten streak against you Spuds. The Cup was taken lightly, and we got beaten, simple as that.

ES- R7's praise went completely overboard, spurs were far the better team (in both games) & I haven't seen one comment to suggest otherwise. However to say that spurs would've beaten any team in europe is completely over the top & not in the slightest bit realistic. Spurs last night wouldn't have beaten a good defensive team. As for your comments re our players is just being silly, Almunia would definately have saved the 3rd goal & in all honesty that was the decisive one, at 3-0 the game was over as a contest. Our centre back last night was really a right back who never actually plays for the first team, so of course Toure or any of the 3 stand in's Senderos, Djourou or Song would have done a better job alongside Gallas. Gilberto has never been a good sub, he needs a consistent run of games to get any sort of form which clearly isn't going to happen at arsenal, so why Wenger continues to pick him is beyond me! Diarra or Flamini playing from the start would have made a massive difference in both games but again selling Diarra wasn't a decision I agreed with, it was way too early. The team lost heavily because they were chasing the match, they could have decided at 2-0 to shut up shop put everyone behind the ball & just suffer a small defeat, but that certainly isn't Wenger's way or the way for any successful manager to act. The unfortunate side to that is occasionally you will suffer heavy defeats & last night was one such occasion.

englishspur we didn't capitulate, we dominated possession and attacked throughout the 2nd half, whilst you shut up shop with 10 behind the ball and took your chances on the counter attack. 5-1 is exaggerated because we had to pour forward and thus leave ourselves vulnerable, and your finishing was clinical. it's knock-out so losing by 4 goals is the same as losing by 1, we had to through caution to the wind and we got punished. Good luck in the final, I hope you beat Chelsea (unless Everton get through, then I'm going for them)

I haven't seen the replays (and won't), but did anyone else think that malbranque's goal was well offside? it made no difference in the end of course but he annoys me (not as much as gus poyet)

AG - Maybe I should have rephrased, they would have beaten any team in Europe who weren't on the top of their game. Last night I saw a group of players who wanted to win a football match more than any group of players in history, losing was not an option to them. I won't take anything away from their victory by saying it was a weakened side, because you can only beat what's put infront you, and they did that emphatically.

Gilberto is finished in my book number14, he has been woeful everytime I've seen him this season. We need players who can step into the fray at the drop of a hat, and either he can't because he "needs a run of games" or he's just sulking, either way his performances are not acceptable.

Paltry consolation that it is we have beaten a bigger team (liverpool) by a similar margin in the CC. We have taken 6points of Spurs in the PL this year..os lets go on....i just hope Fabregas can get back into form soon..and that we dont have any injuries. We still have a lot to play for

That is the positive number14.......now we're gunna fine out what our squad is really made of. A good kick up the arse never hurt anyone. You never know, come the end of the season we could be thanking Spurs at the end of the season......ok maybe not.

i hear adebayer hit bendtner las night, is thus true. also i c arsenal brin there own commentater wit them in the form of alan smith!

AG - My comments weren't based on the actions of some idiotic fans (though I am disapointed that Howard the Coward did seem to just dismiss the objects thrown at Cesc) they weren't based on Spurs crappy league performances, they were based on one match in which they were undeniably good!! I know it's tough to take because it was Spurs and because of the manner of the defeat, but you just gotta take it on the chin.

eer, Rocky, spurs were good, but not that good.You suffered a goal at the start, the tottenham fans went wild, and your players buckled under pressure.After the own goal, they were lost on the pitch.It's understandable, most are still young players.You didn't have a proper midfield.Gilberto let himself get dribbled by Jermaine Jenas, of course Jenas morale would improve for the rest of the match, but he's still jenas. Tottenham will be easily defeated by Chelsea or Everton, both teams have a strong midfield, and deadly attack.It was all about gaining mometum at the right time.

Could this be reverse fortune? Will spuds dominate you now? Oh well,it was only your reserves,s*******!

Diaby will notch up around twice as many appearances this season than he did last and probably more than Sidwell will make for Chelsea - he is gaining experience. Same with Denilson who has also made almost as many appearances so far this season as in the whole of last. Playing youngsters you just have to accept that the form and decision making will be variable. Thats an easier risk to take if you are mid table and not challenging for anything or in danger of relegation but quite another if you are in with a shout of the major titles. Not all will make it but we just have to accept that progress for these players will be slow but the policy may yet yield another Flamini with time and patience.

Spurs starting XI average age: 26.82 (295/11) Spurs match squad average age: 25.63 (410/16) Players 24 or younger: Boateng and Lennon, 20 O'Hara and Huddlestone, 21 Dawson and Jenas, 24 Players over 24: Cerny, Lee Young-Pyo, King, Malbranque, Chimbonda, Berbatov, Keane, Defoe, Tainio, Robinson Arsenal starting XI average age: 22.91 (252/11) Arsenal match squad average age: 22.56 (361/16) Players 24 or younger: Walcott and Traore, 18 Denilson and Mannone, 19 Bendtner and Fabregas, 20 Diaby, 21 Fabianski, 22 Adebayor, Flamini and Hoyte, 23 Eduardo and Sagna, 24 Players over 24: Hleb, Gallas, Gilberto Just a comparison of ages, and possibly of "maturity" and experience.

K_Chelski, I think you forget two things. The return of King has had a huge impact on the defence and Dawson seems to have recovered his confidence. Ramos also seems to be getting the best out of Jenas again. Even Wenger said he had potential to be a top player before he joined us, and it looks like he is finally showing some consistency in his game. What was surprising last night was that the senior players (Gallas, Sagna, Gilberto) were given a torrid time. I'm hoping that your arrogant attitude will be transferred to our opponents in the final. What Ramos may have brought us is the ability to close out games, and considering how close we came to knocking you out in the QF of the FA Cup last year, your bragging seems to have little foundation in reality

Ok. I hope for the good of club and country that you are right and I am wrong

ES, thanks for sympathising and putting forward such fantastic points. You are obviously quite happy with the thuggery (the real one outside stadiums) that exists today.

ES, just how has Ramos brought ability to close games I fail to see. Under him I remember you taking the lead against us (lost), Villa (lost), while Chelsea beat you without a lot of effort. Then there is the three Reading games which were everything but closed (6-4, 1-1, 0-1). Then there's the famous "enough is enough" by Gus Poyet. The only 2 changes he has made is bench Robbo (which was a master stroke tbh) and give young O'Hara a few games. The rest is pretty much the same: King can't play more than a game a week, Bent is a waste of space, Berbatov still sulks, Jenas plays good 1 game and is gone the next three, etc. Get real for once.

No, I am not. I do however think that to suggest most Spurs fans are thugs and the club should be thrown out of the competition, whilst Arsenal fans are ALL whiter than white is pretty poor. After all, no club can take responsibility for events outside of the ground - they are not a private police force and in many cases these are not genuine fans - whilst within the grounds, you should only condemn those who commit the offence not penalise all. There was no mention of items being thrown at Fabregas mentioned on any news outlet I could find, and its just a shame that one or two of your posters cannot react like Rocky7 and Lou the Gunneress.

In 1990/1991 we lost 6-2 to Man Utd in the league cup and went on to win the league with only losing one game. Could be an omen.

ES, what is it you want exactly? Everyone on here has said you deserved to win, both matches in all honesty, so I don't really understand what you're complaining about?? Are you seriously saying that we should all be saying Spurs beat us so they must be the best team in the world?.........As for the spurs fans, I think you'll find its more than a minority of them & its certainly more than one match. My whole point on that issue was that the spurs supporters have got away with violence year after year (outside the ground) & pelting opposition players & fans with dangerous objects inside the gound. It appears though the FA lack any sort of bottle to actually sort out the problem & spurs clearly don't want to take action against the aggressors!! Every team has bad supporters, its just spurs seem to be proud of theirs!!

once again..congrats spurs...suck it up arsenal. Nice article i here in http://gunnerblog.com/ (lets not pretend). And this too - http://thirdgen.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/tottenhams-dog-has-its-day-at-last-and-what-a-day-for-them/ ----------as this article also says "The vile abuse directed at Arsene Wenger is over and above what constitutes banter...missiles directed at Cesc Fabregas....the silent majority at Tottenham deserve better. Football deserves better" (http://www.goonerholic.com/). It was a good run for us - at least I think Arsene is generally ok going out at this stage as he never seems to be desperate about the CC

Exactly Andy-bayour, in Europe its loo role and fruit and the occasional pigs head all the time and no-one bats an eyelid. And Ashburton Gooner, how about the time Carragher got sent off for throwing an object back into the crowd, a dangerous object thrown at him by Gooners - should Arsenal have been immediately thrown out of that competition? When living in a glass house, those stones can be tricky little blighters :)

I'm gutted about the margin of defeat yesterday. And perhaps it didn't matter as much to our players. But no-one can deny Spurs didn't deserve the victory or that the score flattered them. They were that much better than us in truth. And towards the end we just threw the noose around our necks by commiting so many forward trying to come back. On the Ade/Bendtner incident I read somewhere that Ade said something like "pretend you're defending this one" when we won the corner. Fecking hilarious if true. But in all a night to forget for us gooners. Well done Spurs.

ES, the point is that you cannot condone bad behaviour. We all have bad supporters, but like AG said, sometimes you do give the impression that you are proud of yours. I would hazard that in the chucking-things league table you are probably doing well but I have no stats to back this up... anyway this isn't relevant to last night alone, so I will refrain from this discussion for now.

again i would like to say that i am really embarrassed,i just cant believe we only drew 1-1 with birmingham city....

they will love the score line ... wheather they played our first team or our under 12's lmfao ! just for the fact that we are a big club ... and it looks good in there record books LMFAO !!! small clubs love to see wins against big famous teams in the record books :-D

Fran, almost forgot: AVE IT! LOOOOL!!

All you gooners going on about how we celebrated you celebrate every 3 points in the league like that.

As for the Chavs, well BIT(C), i don't remember your team having much success without the dodgy russian mafia bankrolling you. WHat happens when your oligarch gets bored of his plaything and pulls out all his cash - you'll soon fade back into obscurity. Bragging rights are earnt, not bought, so shut the smeg up will you. It pains me to say it, but i hope the Spuds play as well against you as they did against us. They will definitely win it then.

cesky, i think if you look through all of the posts on here and on vital spurs then you will notice that most spurs fans have been fine and been very gratious in victory. You haven't had to put up with much in the way of p*ss taking so i do think your comments are a little unjust. Yes there will always be some people that try to wind others up and gloat but you have to be realistic.

i bet you choked on that pint!

(Woh this is too good to be true - a Spurs fan asking this, no Gooners anwering before me.) 1. Because we've been qualifying for Europe every year through league positions for 10 years (CL that is, already not counting UEFA Cup before the Wenger era) and expect to do so again this year, unlike clubs below us in the league. 2. FAC isn't a small cup, but we don't technically 'need' it as a ticket to Europe, though to some clubs it may be an 'easier' way in than fighting for a top 4 or top 7 finish, depending which 'Europe' CC gives you (which I don't know as we're not exactly going after that). It's more like a domestic honour, which of course is great to win (secondary to EPL and CL). 3. CC is for blooding youth for AW, though he's tinkered with the team, sometimes forced sometimes half-heartedly. Would you say you desperately want to win the FA Youth Cup? CC means more than FAYC because it's against first-teams, but it's 4th in our bunch of fish to fry. Just my opinion anyway, but I guess a fairly large amount of Gooners would have similar sentiments. And I have a technical question back to you too: Don't you only get a European place through winning CC if the FAC winners finish top 4? Who's given priority and how, FAC winners first? Or do both get places in Europe under the new rule?

BITC, how does it concern you? Oh, I see, your delighted that we lost because you knew you would be in for a spanking? Nah, of course not, you're the mighty Chelsea, and we never beat you.. oh wait...