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Look To The Future Now

Before I start the report I am going to have to confess that I haven`t seen any highlights yet. So shoe horned into the corner of the East Stand, some of what occurred evaded me slightly. For instance, the handball for United`s penalty. All reports seem to suggest it was pretty blatant and needless, which is disappointing from our most experienced player. I`m glad Senderos wasn`t playing because I am sure the majority of Arsenal fans would have attempted to blame him by proxy. But all things considered, it was a fantastic performance from the team which makes me incredibly positive for next season. Having been administered a hammer blow on Tuesday night; it really took guts to go and take the game to United and do it so well. Not for the first time this season, Arsenal exceeded a lot of people`s expectations. However, we have taken the lead at Old Trafford, Anfield and Stamford Bridge in the second half of games this season only to lose, which reveals that we need to learn to cope with pressure better than we do. But there were a number of very good performances yesterday, Gilberto looked like a man with a point to prove and really stepped up to the plate. He looked to have taken on board Flamini`s penchant for tenacious tackling. Emmanuel Eboue seems to draw criticism regardless of what he does, but I thought he had a tremendous first half; he stretched the United backline time and again, van Persie cutting in caused their backline to narrow and Eboue stayed out wide to stretch Evra and pull the back four about. Gael Clichy played with so much heart and so much tenacity that there was a real injustice to him finishing on the losing side.

My day began boarding an early morning train jammed with marathon runners. A day of great physical exhaustion and mental torment lay ahead. The marathon runners would doubtless have something similar in store. Anybody who has been jammed into the East Stand lower at Old Trafford will readily be able to tell you why United fans insist on persistent standing. The reason the admittedly impressive arena has such a capacity is because each seat measures in at about 10cm by 12cm. So it would be another afternoon of standing in the vocally resplendent away end. Sitting down would likely have caused one to leave large traces of ear wax on ankles, so we settled for scraped shins against the back of unforgiving seats instead. As the game kicked off, there was a feeling of defiance. It was all or nothing, nothing to lose and everything to gain. The feeling pervaded through the team, who seemed to relax and play some of their best football since that magical night in the San Siro. Paul Scholes performed his usual hatchet job, committing two fouls on Hleb inside the first four minutes. Howard the coward stood by and did nothing, but was only too happy to reach for his pocket when van Persie cleanly won the ball from Wes Brown. Perhaps Robin threw another one of those dastardly ghost punches that nobody but Howard can see?

Arsenal began the brighter, elements of the team selection looked to have surprised United. Van Persie was cutting in from the left and Brown did not know whether to follow him or not, Hleb was picking up space in the centre and Eboue played the chalk on the boots style winger everybody said they wanted and left Evra caught between two stools. This was elucidated with Arsenal`s first chance. Van Persie cut in from the left and fed Adebayor, he switched play to the right where Cesc was lurking with intent, but smashed a shot over the bar. The Gunners had the bit between their teeth, a marauding run from Toure down the right saw him play in his compatriot Eboue; Adebayor met his cut back with a goalbound shot which was blocked excellently by the imperious Ferdinand. I`ve the feeling that had Ferdinand been injured, Arsenal might have won yesterday. How he did not make the shortlist for PFA Player of the Year I`ve no idea. Awards such as this are constantly cheapened when only the glory boys are acknowledged. United were spurred into life thereafter, an otherwise quiet Cristiano Ronaldo beat Alex Song on the touchline, cut back for Rooney, but Lehmann made a brilliant point blank save. The game really began to open up and Arsenal immediately went to the other end and Alex Hleb danced through a myriad of challenges and played in Adebayor, but he placed a tame finish straight at van der Sar when he ought to have scored. Ade`s finishing has become infinitely better this year, but on the few occasions he has missed chances, he has not hid. So it would prove again.

On 36 minutes, United would produce a similarly gilt edged opportunity. A harmless looking long ball bounced over the leg of Alex Song and Rooney ran in on goal, yet again, Jens was on his mettle to make a brilliant sprawling save. The German was truly walking it like he has been furiously talking it. An entertaining first half drew to a close with the deadlock yet to be broken. Choruses of "it`s so quiet at Old Trafford" and "have you ever won the league at Highbury?" rang out in the first half. The reflective hush of the home fans reflecting Arsenal`s dominance. Arsenal knew that they had to twist in the second half and grabbed a vital goal. Evra`s umpteenth foul of the game saw Arsenal awarded a free kick on the right; van Persie played it short to Hleb, who teed up Fabregas. His shot was blocked, but van Persie picked up the pieces and swung in an inviting cross from the left, which Adebayor latched onto and bundled home. Apparently, the final touch came from his hand, I must say that once the celebrations had finished, we did remark that Ade appeared to be slow to celebrate. A much needed slice of luck in a desert of ill fortune. Minutes later, Arsenal could have extended the advantage. Adebayor broke away on the right in a counter attack, he sent a cross into the box and Ferdinand, with Gilberto breathing down his neck, volleyed the ball goalwards and van der Sar made an impressive reaction save.

But once again, Arsenal were complicit in their own downfall. A Hargreaves shot cannoned around in the area and United were awarded a penalty. Like I say, I was at the other end so could not really see it (please read in studious French accent). But no Arsenal players complained and Ronaldo stepped up and scored a twice taken penalty. Lehmann dived the right way on both occasions. Arsenal did not appear too down hearted and could have scored were it not for the divine intervention of Webb. Van Persie was fouled by Brown on the left, Webb waved play on as Adebayor made a beeline for goal, he dribbled around Ferdinand leaving him with only van der Sar to beat, but Webb reneged on his decision and pulled play back. I simply cannot fathom a reason for this; I am not going to tell you there is a vendetta against Arsenal from referees because that`s plainly rubbish. We`ve been unlucky, but no more than that. But with Webb, remembering that he wilfully shattered his own integrity in last February`s Carling Cup Final, this decision must be questioned. Someone may care to help me out here because that looked utterly contrived. Since Ferguson`s rant against Hackett, he has had a huge influence over the appointment of referees and Webb appeared too intimidated for my liking.

Both manager`s made attacking changes with a draw not much use to either side. Walcott and Tevez entered the fray and Tevez almost made an instant impact, curving a powerful shot just wide from long range. Walcott was not to be outdone and soon made a mark, jinking down the right before cutting an intelligent ball back for Fabregas who blasted just over. The Gunners best chance arrived on the 70 minute mark, the indefatigable Gael Clichy powered down the left and put in a low cross which Wes Brown deflected onto his own post. Three minutes later, Arsenal`s season was curtailed. Evra looped the ball in the air on the edge of the penalty area and, from where I was, threw himself to the floor. Maybe that`s unjust because I was far away, but I thought it was a cheap dive and Webb was easily conned. I hope he`s not planning on buying a second hand vehicle any time soon, because he`ll drive out of the forecourt in a three wheeled death trap with no breaks and a dodgy clutch. With Ronaldo lining up another of his pile drivers, Hargreaves fooled everybody by running up and delivering a sumptuous clip over the wall and into the corner. United began to take it easy believing the game to be won and Arsenal were buoyed by that complacency. Hoyte`s right wing cross was headed goalwards by Bendtner, but van der Sar palmed his effort away. Another Bendtner header drifted wide and as he stopped the ball drifting out of play, Rooney controlled with his arm in the area. There was no point in even protesting, Howard the Coward was never going to upset Sir like that.

The final whistle went and the Arsenal fans indulged an entirely spontaneous twenty five minute rendition of "we love you Arsenal." As Fabregas, Gallas and Theo disconsolately trudged over, the song rang out loud and clear. The United fans frustratedly tried to mock, but could not make themselves heard above the defiant chorus. On and on it went, with the United fans drifting out of the stadium, resigned to the fact that they could not quell us. It began to get ridiculous as it drifted on for ten, and then fifteen minutes. Giggs, O`Shea and Neville came out for the warm down and still we continued, the same chant over and over again. Defiant, proud. It really soothed the pain of defeat as the time drifted to quarter past six and still there we were in impressive numbers, booming out the same chant. The straggling United fans began filming us and taking photographs. Obviously this kind of support is unheard of at Old Trafford because then the stewards, who have always been heavy handed and just short of vicious at Old Trafford, began getting heavy. Firstly they surrounded us, trying to intimidate us and herd us out of the exits. We simply banded closer together and kept going. Eventually, stewards outrageously began to physically pluck people from the crowd and throw them out. I saw one guy thrown down the stairs, simply for singing "we love you Arsenal, we do" on a constant loop! I have since learned that Sky made no mention of this, which is understandable because it doesn`t support their oft perpetrated myth that only bare chested Geordies hounding their manager out of a club constitutes world class support. It would have done wonders for shaming the spoiled Emirates boo merchants into seeing what true support is. The consolation would be that the players would have heard it in their dressing rooms and I hope our message transmitted. Whatever the papers have to say, however people mock and however much the result effectively ends our season, we`re proud of this team and excited about next season. I already can`t wait, to the point that my friends and I have already planned our pre season trip to Huddersfield. The relentless chant was a fitting obituary, it might have ended bitterly for us this year, but we made a lot of critics look very stupid this season and we won`t be underestimated as a force again next year. The lessons learned will have been incalculable for a young squad and we`ll have a few more title races yet. Though the result was hurtful, the act of chivalry of the travelling fans at the end reminds us all that that`s the beauty of football. There`s always another game around the corner, always another season. I`m already excited about it.LD.




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Writer: Tim Stillman Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday April 14 2008

Time: 12:47PM

Your Comments

Way to go! That's it - there is always another game to salve the pain of defeat - always another chance to contest the big trophies if you compete as well as we have done this season. The lack of maturity this season won't be there to the same degree next. Wenger is right to focus on keeping this group together and adding strategically to alleviate any shortcomings. We know that will be done. We have failed to take the prizes but we are in good shape despite that.
Amos.
LD, you guys were seems to be singing loud and together after the game, it was clear behind every time Jamie Redknapp were speaking. but they never talked about it !!
Gooner SA
we entered this season to the drone of pundits informing the nation that we would, with this young squad finish somewhere near the mid table. the squad went on to produce some amazing and entertaining football and with our xmas top spot were looking well on their way to picking up some silverware. the lads just need a little more time to develop and return next season to put things right. when i say put things right, i mean the dodgy referee decisions that we have had more than the lions share of during the latter part of the season. all teams are subject to a bad call from a ref now and then but when it starts to happen on numerous occasions during every game it surely must hammer the moral of the team. its like.. why bother trying when you're fighting a losing battle. i just hope that the team looks back at the positives from the early part of the season and builds on that
KBGoon
cheers for the article LD, we played them off the park for the most part and how people still queston Hlebs worth to this team is beyond me. First things irst keep this squad together before thinking about transfers, were building a dynasty here...
hazzagooner
looking foward to next season...im extremely proud of the team with special mention to febregas just for being himself, flamini for grabbing his chance by the balls and showing us what he is truly capable of, sagna up till injury time was contender for player of the season on my squad, toure who despite the burnout factor is still the best defender we have, gallas for speaking his mind and being the kind of leader we need, clichy phooaarrrrr adebayor for carrying our squad on his back admirably for the 4th 5th of the season (IMO his handball was more awkward than blatant and it happened so fast no one noticed until the replays were shown not even the united players, they didnt protest at all. chances are adebayor would have scored anyway but thats just my opinion so there...) almunia for handling the situation with mad jens so well and hleb (if he would only get a bit greedy infront of goal) for his entertaining dribbling skills and our young theo...theo...this boy is going to be a wonderous (dont know if thats a word) player if i miss out anyone worth a mention feel free to add on...oh yeah and to eduardo idontknowhowtomiss da silva a quick andfull recovery. how could i forget Arsene genius wenger...neednt say much about mr arsenal except please buy us some quality quality backup...
anonymous
Very proud of the boys. Still think AW should spend some money this summer. Some of this crop do not cut the mustard.
Moorish
Well written. The team played well and deserved something, but lady luck has deserted us this season, the fickle mistress that she is! A lot of positives to take for next season though, so i'm not feeling too gloomy. Purple face had to acknowledge the quality in our team and you can bet your pants he's worrying about us coming back stronger next season, which i have no doubt we will do.
Cesky
Most importantly, lets hear it for the fans! Tremendous vocal support for the team fella's. I was watching the game on TV and coudl hear our fans drowning out the OT faithful for most of the game. They only sing when they are winning, and even then, our faithful could still be heard! Magic!
Cesky
Always good to hear about the support, LD. A shame that only 3 players came over to applaud the fans. Lets hope that it gives the team some belief for the rest of this season (doubt it) but all the signs are promising for next season. There are still 4 games to go, and I'd like to see a few reserve players given a go - Traore, Hoyte, Theo etc.
prits
I heard the 'We Love You Arsenal' chant loud and clear on TV for a good 10-15mins after the final whistle. Brilliant! It would have been nice for Sky to mention it though. Proud of the boys yesterday, and for the majority of this season too. The future is bright... !!!
grovesy14
Great stuff.. was really nice to read something positive after quite a while.. but I'd still like Wenger to seriously invest in 2-3 players who might bring some steel and more quality into the team. We've looked a bit leggy towards the end of games which is really understandable.. but he really needs to go out there, get a couple of good players and turn this team into what Ade has just said.. "Killers"!
arsenalrulz4ever
Good piece. Terrific performance by the team, they came out firing and at times made united look poor. Was painful to lose this one, but there's only so much we can blame on bad luck and officials. Hopefully next season we'll make or own luck.
gunnerdownunder
grovesy14, sky never mentioned it because it never happened!! goonheads singing at a match.........nah, no way!!!!!!
springy
We all paid for our tickets springy. A bizarre concept in Chavski world, surely it'll never catch on. People wanting to watch and support their team. Much better to get bribed and chant against your manager and boo your team off when you've won. I've even heard you can get a good bit of kip down at the Bodge nowadays.
Little Dutch
a bit noisier than your place little dutch,and with a smaller attendence and the arses tickets more expensive as ive been told by a goonhead, a bigger turnover!! well well!!
springy
fantastic, LD. Ignore the silly little ameoba spuddie. Has anyone in the media pointed out the fact this team of exhausted players with an avg. age of 23.1 (one of the youngest in europe) effectively controlled the PL's top goal-scorers, Torres and Cronaldo? I know we're all down but this team has produced some massive performances this season. And PLEASE DON'T FORGET that on we have definintely improved our ranking from last season (59 pts at this time last season to 71 this season). Also, what is this "document on referees" referred to in the previous thread, that AW received?
jaelle
oops, I misidentified the chelski amoeba with a spud. my bad. same difference.
jaelle
jaelle,dream on , torres scored against you and so did ronaldo, how did you control them??and it could have been worse, you could have called me an arsecum ameoba!!!!
springy
Good write up Tim!!! It was a great performance, but ironically the game was taken away from these young Gunners by the two most experienced outfield players on the pitch. One thing I don't agree with you on is Eboue, yes he did work very hard yesterday but had no end product in the slightest....if we'd have had a right winger that scored only 5 goals and made 10 (not much to ask from a winger) assists this season, we would have won the league. The good thing is, that even though we have proved that this side is getting better and will be challeneging for honours, our capitulation means all the media morons who predicted we'd be rubbish this season will probably think their predictions have been vindicated, and they'll write us off next year too ..... it's always good to be an underdog.
Rocky7
springy, are you capable of judging us objectively at all? Yes they scored, cronaldo in the game at the Emirates and Torres at Anfield. (I don't count yesterday's penalty since it was a goal from nothing he created). But did you even notice Torres in the game in the first half last Tuesday? Did you notice cronaldo on the pitch yesterday? Any objective viewer saw that clichy controlled cronaldo and that Torres was controlled in the first CL game at the Emirates and for at least half of the game last Tuesday. Anybody capable of putting aside their bitter little hatred and partisanship for a moment, that is, and look at a football match with objectivity. Obviously you can't.
jaelle
all players have quiet games jaelle, but torres scored when it mattered and no one stopped ronaldo on his mazy runs,when they did it was a dig!
springy
rocky7 "if we'd had a right winger etc we would have won the league" what utter rubbish!!! if if if!! dont go into clairvoyance as a job mate. gypsy rose rocky7 LOL!!
springy
Here's the problem springy, your tickets aren't cheaper at all. Our corporate tickets are more expensive than yours, but we have a greater price range than Chelsea. As you readily admit by declaring that Chelsea get higher gate receipts! Let me dissect it for you. How is it possible for Chelsea to have smaller crowds and higher gate receipts with cheaper tickets? (Don't tell him anyone, otherwise he won't learn anything).
Little Dutch
Springy - Our prawn circle and diamond club alone bring in more in the way of gate recipts than the whole of Highbury use to, I doubt very much you even come close to getting what Arsenal get in gate recipts.
Rocky7
not admitted to that at all little dutch, i said arsenals tickets are more expensive and with a bigger stadium your gate reciepts will of course be higher, but your turn over as a club isnt, simple, like you! get it right, and rocky 7 obviously if you have more in you get more in gate receipts, i never said that you would'nt, but our CLUB TURN OVER IS BIGGER, OK!!
springy
We have laready established that the average price of a ticket at Arsenal is cheaper than the price of an averga eticket at Chels.....I know I forgot,sly sports bought out the law of averages didn'tthey? Oh bugger. Your turnover means dick all against your overheads. But don't worry, if you bribe a member of the sly team to tell you Chelsea have broken even, it'll magically be true. Now off to the bottom of your garden to chase those fairies.
Little Dutch
gone are the days when we used to have quality players like bergkamp wiltord Pires keown on the subs bench? Things have so changed that now we are having bendtner Senderous hoyte walcott on sub bench.
49ers
I felt compelled to post an article on the 'economics of football' on this site. However, since I have a pretty hectic schedule, I think I'll just write a concise one in this comment column. This is a very frank comment made with good intention. Some may not like it but I say what I have to say. Since Le Boss is an economics graduate, I am sure he could draw some parellelism between some of these economics theories and football. 1) Public sector vs private sector - It is a fallacy to see a football club as a private entity. Private sector is there to make money and accumulate wealth which is what we are doing now whereas public sector collect revenue or taxes and spend them to deliver or fulfill the needs of the community, in our case titles or silverware. The key to this is balance of payment. We need not be having excessive surplus every year at the expense of titles. If what we make is sustainable, we should not allow our squad to be so thin and falter in the title run ins year in year out. This is not the first time. I am not urging Le Boss to buy expensive, but at least get some better players on the bench. 2) Comparative advantage - Let the players do what they do best. Have back ups in accordance to position instead of having a defensive midfielder to back up a central defender, a striker as a back up winger or an attacking midfielder as a second striker. Unless when the injury situation is really dire, these may be commendable measures but we have been doing this all the while. The most successful story I could remember derived from this contigency plan is when Flamini was playing at the left back. Are we really that poor? 3) Diversification - I was thrilled when we finally seemed to have a plan B in the early of the season, when teams did not open up, we just cut a long ball through the middle for Adebayor to knock it down, our attacking set pieces were creating goals, long crosses cutting in from the flanks when the defence was tight and those goals we score from long range shots. We seems to forget this plan towards the end of the season when praises started flooding in on how beautifully we are capable of playing. Our game is so predictable that a lot of teams know if they play a certain way, they could avoid a defeat and all we did was keep complaining. 4) Efficiency - This is one of the most important element of economics and football. We used to be known as a team that were capable of putting the ball into the opponent's net with merely 5 touches from box to box. Now we can have 50 passes in succession without a shot on goal and we are telling people that base on the percentage of possession, we are a better team when we did not win. 5) Economics of adaption - How many times have we been condemning the poor quality of turf that derailed our passing game? I am sure we have been to these grounds for countless times and if a ground did not improve since the last time we complained, what is the probability it will be better this time around especially if a team stand a better chance to win points against us under this condition? If a ground was so unplayable, it applied the same to the other team so if we failed to win, it was more of our problem since we did not adapt ourselves from the previous experience. We couldn't be expecting all other grounds to be like the Emirates. 6) Short term vs long term - I remember the masterstroke by SAF in bringing in Larsson in the critical period which contributed to MU glory last season. We were in a similiar situation this season. If we had bought in a couple of capable veterans for short term to fill in for RVP and Rosicky or when we were having defensive shortage during the African cup, would it have an impact? Admittedly our defence fared reasonably well during the period but by the end, fatigue was evident in Toure's game. John Keynes was famous for this quote in his criticism on the economics policy of the government "in long term, everyone is death".
Joe_@**
Well now, you sad little Gooner mugs. Just over a week ago you were so optimistic about the future of THIS season. Just look at your woefully out of date poll! Ha Ha. Who would have thought that you would have capitulated in such a cowardly fashion. Another season goes by without a trophy, players in open warfare with each other, over-hyped manager seemingly on the point of a severe nervous breakdown, over-rated centre back who clearly has already had a breakdown, a group of 'kids' who aren't quite as good as you all thought and a new stadium full of corporate diners AND you want to look to the future..? Well, my friend, it looks like this... The future's bright... the future's Lillywhite!
mozzamania
correction: "in long term, everyone is dead"
Joe_@**
Thanks for that mozzamania, I was thinking of composing a furious response until I saw that last sentence. You're 11th and I reckon there's a good chance you've never seen Tottenham win the league. So excuse us if we don't pay much attention to your pearls of wisdom on where it was lost. Tell me, where did your glorious bid for fourth so manfully end? Joe, you make some decent points, but Arsenal still owe around £400m for a stadium and the shareholders haven't taken dividends in years, you can hardly accuse them of holding back for themselves.
Little Dutch
Little Dutch, I'm sorry if I touched a nerve. My fault for adding a little realism into this debate... Don't know what came over me! Ho hum, just have to console myself with memories of that humiliating 5-1 thrashing we handed out to you just a few months back, and then follow that up with thoughts and rememberings of Ledders picking up the trophy a few weeks later. Of course, your bitter knee jerk reaction to my honest appraisal led you down the '4th place' road... a little silverware more than makes up for it, trust me on that. Anyway, back to your hopeless looking future...
mozzamania
how much money do you win when you win the carling cup? how much do you win when you finish top 4 in the prem? keep the silverware, id rather have the cash so we can continue to compete for all trophys, not just the one trophy in how many years?
bootoo
Mr Bootoo, I am a football fan. I am not interested in money particularly. I go to see my team play well and compete in trophies NOT to see how much money we might win. You are all that is wrong with the modern day Arsenal and Chavski fan. The game is about glory my friend, not money. Besides, as far as I can make out, one of the reasons you're in such a mess with no real future to look forward to is that your 'on the edge' Manager seems averse to spending any of this 'Top 4' cash! Now, take a few deep breaths and think long and hard before you hit the 'submit' button next time.
mozzamania
What do you think Spurs' chances of reaching the CL Semi Finals are next year then Mozza? Over rated centre back who's had a breakdown? Ledley played for youlast time I checked. The irony of a Spurs fan, the absolute kings of the 'next year' merchants decrying the fact that we are demonstratably improving (whilst your last three campaigns show a steep decline) is breathtaking. I'll console myself with the fact that you haven't won the league in 47 years, you haven't beaten us in a league game in 9 years, you haven't beaten us at home for fifteen years and the fact that you thought Barren Dent would shoot you to fourth! (His open goal miss at WHL in September was priceless). Now, I think you need tofind Vital MK Dons, being that they won the St Johnstone's Paint Trophy, your clubs have much to discuss.
Little Dutch
"I go to see my team play well and compete in trophies." Given that you're on an average of comepting for one trophy every nine years, you must have a rich footballing existence. No wonder you've come to gloat. Good luck in getting the point you need to ensure Premiership survival.
Little Dutch
I gather the economic point you are trying to make Joe is that if we look after the short term the long term will take care of itself? Not true in fact. Arsenal is a club that has existed from more than 120 years. If the club was only to take a short term view of its economic and playing future it wouldn't have bothered with the new stadium. However we have to compete with the financial power of Manu (in just the last 3 years they have generated about £150m more revenue than we have - about £500m in the last 10 years) Chelsea have invested some £500m in the last 5 years. In order to generate the revenues that will allow us to compete then it was neccessary to have invested some £400 in the new stadium. We still carry £325m of debt. That debt still has to be managed in the short term with the economic long term now starting to look very positive. So, without long term economic management there can be no short term. As for the fallacy of football clubs being private entities that is exactly what all PL clubs are and economics is about dealing with the real world - not what we might like it to be.
Amos.
ha ha ha 30 points difference ha ha
MrArsenal
LD - Calm down Dear, you're responding like a 5 year old whose lost their teddy bear. You really don't have to spit out these ramblings in such a hasty manner. Your half-hearted and ill conceived posts do nothing more than make me laugh out load! Now, lets talk these things through man to boy. Spurs chances of reaching the CL semi-finals next year are the same as Arsenals - NIL. I took your advice and visited Vital MK Dons only to find it full of Arsenal fans asking what its like to win a trophy and, last but by no means least, we compete in all trophies that we are eligible to play in as does every other side (compete and win are different things). To be honest, if I'd thought the catch would be this good I'd have brought more bait! Now, we seem to be digressing, I want to talk about this 'rosy' future you mugs keep going on about (every year)...
mozzamania
what planet does these spuddies live on that they actually believe they're a better team than one ranked 3rd in the league, reached the quarter finals of the CL beating the champions on their home ground, effectively controlled the likes of Torres and Cronaldo for long periods of time in all our games with Pool and the mancs, lost only 3 games; not to mention we reached a CL final, went unbeaten in the league for a whole season, won the title 3 times and the FA cup 4 times all in the last 11 years? What weird little universe do these clueless twits live on???
jaelle
Thanks for your input MrArsenal. Well thought out response. Did it take you long?
mozzamania
ooh truth hurts eh. Don't te me.......next year ha ha ha ha
MrArsenal
Ah, Jaelle. There you go you see, you've come to MrArsenals rescue. There was me thinking he was the most stupid Arsenal fan on the planet, but I'll admit when I'm wrong! Please can you point out where I said that I believed that Spurs are better than the Goons. No... my point is, as it has always been, that your future is not as rosy as you all like to think it is. Your club is falling apart slowly at the seams, disintegrating around your ankles but you keep clinging on to the very thing that you accuse Spurs fans of... namely 'It'll be our turn next year'. Well, please believe me when I tell you that you are all deluding yourselves. Your team of misfits and johnny-come-lately's have been found out again but this time there is no group of talented kids to fall back on.
mozzamania
Father of the girl Bendtner is shagging has shagged us. -.-'.
k_chelski
MrArsenal... I certainly won't 'te' you. On the basis that I don't know what 'te' means. My mother tongue is English, my apologies if I led you to believe otherwise. One of your Gooner friends thought I came from a 'weird little universe', perhaps that's where the confusion started!
mozzamania
Strange mozza because we have a big improvement in points totals in the last three years with a squad whose average age is 23. Spurs are on a steep decline based on the same period. Not hard to understand. You've admitted we are a lot better than you (not much of a confession given the thirty point gap and forty seven year wait), it shows your attitude and your cllub is small time. You're not even attempting to say Spurs are a better team or that they are in a good position (again not much of a confession) so why are you here? What are you gloating about? You appear confused. If you're gonna come here with the willy waving, feel free. Just remember that mine is much bigger and gets a lot more action.
Little Dutch
bore off mozza for christ sake. Go and annoy the other London club bigger than you, they just blew it as well!!!
MrArsenal
Good thing you didnt go to the match tonight Springy. Paying 50 quid to watch Heskey end your dreams..
paul_ownz
So JT what was that about English spine ?....
radar
To be honest MrArsenal, I quite like annoying you however tempting your offer of 'boring off to Vital Chavski' is. And as for LD's claim, I feel that it is the same over-exaggerated hype that surrounds his football team... namely, not as big as you like to think. Now look, you all seem to have taken against me. Why not treat me as a long lost cousin or something like that, you never know... I might buy some of your dusters and clothes pegs!
mozzamania
Anyway mozza, how are your pre season plans to finish above us this season going.......or not going!!!!!!
MrArsenal
Mozzamania, if there is such thing as a big football team then surely you would put Arsenal in that bracket. As much as you hate them you cannot deny facts. We have won the FA.Cup 10 times (2nd to Man U), and 3 times in the last 7 years. We have won the league 13 times (Ranked 3rd overall), and 2 in the last 7 years. We have been in the top european competition for the last 10 years. If that is not considered "big" then what is?
paul_ownz
Thanks for asking MrArsenal, they are going really well. We have already implemented a few things, namely... 1) not to fight each other on the pitch 2) not to slag each other off in the papers 3) to play our players in the right position 4) to look at ourselves before trying to blame everyone else for any shortcomings. Not bad for starters. Your lot could learn a lot from that. I'm quietly confident as it happens... There I said it!
mozzamania
5. Not to finish in the top 4...........again!!!!!!lol
MrArsenal
Paul (I hope you don't mind me calling you that), I hate the big club/small club thing. It all depends on the criteria. I mean, compared to Luton or Yeovil of course you're a big club, but up against Real Madrid, Milan, Barcelona, Man Utd you're not. But does it really matter? I mean, you'll support them whatever, right? Who cares whether you're a big club or not. Uh oh, now you've got me started!
mozzamania
You can call me Susan if it makes you happy. Seeing as we are talking about english teams and we are on an english website then....... As far as English clubs go then we are considered a "big club" based on our success and history.
paul_ownz
Seems odd or a little sad that a sp*rs fan should spend his/her monday night trawling through an ARSENAL forum!!!!
MrArsenal
Not that odd really - why would anyone trawl through a spud forum? All this 'when the year end's in one' stuff and 'we have won a trophy in every decade since the 60's' and 'next year is gonna be the year'. It all gets a bit samey after a while - so why not pop over to your far, far, far, far more successfull neighbours with their brand spanking new stadium and see if you can pull their tail and hope they don't bite you too hard. If they do you can always pretend that it didn't hurt and that you really did want the CC in preference to finishing in the top 4 and you really are a big club and White Hart Lane has a lot of traditional, if a little tatty charm, and ---- well 'next years the year innit?'
Amos.
LOL!!!!!!
MrArsenal
Just listen Spuddies...we know most of you hate us but you cannot ignore the facts....Arsenal are admired,respected and feared all across the football world....Every top team in Europe knows us,repects us and associates us with top top quality football. Our reputation is now so good that EVERYBODY in Europe knows us and NOBODY takes us lightly....yes true we have never won the champions league but along the way in the past few years we have beaten some of the top teams in Europe....and won a few titles... In comparison Spurs have NO reputation at all in Europe......and please don't bother with all that "we have won more than you in Europe crap"....I am talking about NOW....We have a reputation NOW !!.....you are nothing...you have been nothing for many many years and we NOW are one of the top footballing sides in Europe. We play against Juve,Inter Milan, Real Madrid, AC Milan etc year after year. and you are NOT EVEN THERE competing with us so how the ***** can you slag us ?.......here's the challenge Spuds...get in the top four...play in the champions league....then you will be competing in the same league as us and all the other top teams in Europe..then you may have a VALID opinion about us....until then with respect...shut the ***** up...
radar
But they did win the CC!!!!LOL
MrArsenal
A truly historic occassion for them....
radar
2 CC'S in 17yrs should keep 'em happy!!!
MrArsenal
And we are falling apart aswell ?...I wonder if we snatched the runners up spot in the prem....would that constitute falling apart ?....if so what would 9th or 10th be ?.....
radar
radar. every true spurs fan hates you spineless gooners its a religion, love spurs hate arsenal. EGIAR?
dspurs64
ha ha here they come LOL!!!!!!
MrArsenal
so after conceding a very dodgy penalty which prevented Arsenal from reaching a semi final in the champions league, which would have been their 2nd in 3 years,you have come to the conclusion that The Arsenal has the same amount of chance of reaching the semi final next year as Spurs which is nil.the only reason why spurs will never reach the champions league semi-final is because they will never qualify for the champions league,but to suggest that Arsenal has zero chance (the same as your team)of reaching the semi-final of the CL is just childish, considering that we have a realistic chance of being in said competition.what i do understand is that as you are a spurs supporter it is an obligation for you to be jealous of our position and status,which is far superior than yours,and because of your insecurities from following an inferior club,you have to console yourself by celebrating our downfalls,and by trying to compare tottenhams massive under achievements with our steady progress.the thing is,you are a hater.....and the difference between me and you,is that i dont hate spurs,i just pity their supporters for being sad,deluded ,bitter and hateful...congratualations on your success in the carling cup btw,hopefully you can make some progress next season,and break into the top half of the table.
fran merida
its funny you have one 1 fa cup in 4 years and you think your a big club because u keep losing in the CL, your as big as slavia prague at best, at least their strikers do not headbutt each other
spursinbarca
hope fully fran u can go forward next season an beat the likes of brum wigan and boro?
spursinbarca
Its a pity that as your name suggests that you will never ever see SPURSINBARCA!!! As for one fa cup in 4 yrs, which would mean 2004, you forgot the League Title which we won at...............
MrArsenal
just remember,you will always be a smaller club than The Arsenal, how does it feel like?please tell me, i could never imagine hating a rival team soooo much,that was also more successful in every department.it must really really really hurt your pride......
fran merida
Didn't Brum beat you 4-1?? And 3-1 at the Lane!!!!!!
MrArsenal
and i meant neighbouring club,before you start mention liverpool n real madrid
fran merida
actually better then that i got to see thge celebrations when you got raped by barca in the CL hahahaha
spursinbarca
sssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
fran merida
Just like when you lost at home to GETAFE - Now theres a name in world football. lol!!!!!
MrArsenal
and fran, we are a bigger club then you, you have won the league more times, we have won more european trophies, but what makes us bigger is we can finacially compete with man utd liverpool you cant
spursinbarca
getafe is as much of a big team as real zaragoza.........you remember the halfway line you muppet
spursinbarca
And your in the bottom half ha ha ha brilliant!!!! Is that why we are the third richest club in the world ha ha dream on spuddies ha ha
MrArsenal
ha ha ha muppet. Must have taken ages to think of that one ha ha ha
MrArsenal
3rd richest my arse you are more in debt then northern rock
spursinbarca
Sky news are obviously lying then eh ha ha you mug!!!
MrArsenal
You have won one more european trophy than us, but we have won 11 more league titles, and you are bigger than us ha ha stop it i'm nearly wetting myself!!!!LOL!!!!
MrArsenal
your wetting yourself because you have down syndrom, remember you are now the world famous also rans, a bit like the england team always compete never win a trophy
spursinbarca
Sky news what are you on tool, there is a reason why you have no sqaud its cause whinger doesnt buy enough players, because you rich club doesnt have the cash
spursinbarca
What never won an FA Cup never won a Title (twice at the cackhole lane) and never won 2 Doubles. But you just keep telling your insane little mid table brain that we don't win anything ha ha ha ha ha
MrArsenal
im off now ive got to go and buy a ticket for barcelona - espanyol, i think henrys playing remeber his the pr1ck that left you to win trophies
spursinbarca
We spent a fraction of what you mugs spent.....and your mid table ha ha muppet!!!
MrArsenal
What like SOL left you so he could win a title ha ha ha div!!!
MrArsenal
spurs far superior on the terraces always have been always will be. took the north bank took the north bank took the north bank highbury. ahh the good old days!!
dspurs64
ha ha ha ha you've got school in the morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MrArsenal
No you can't compete financially with ManU, Chelsea or Liverpool spursinbatter - that's just another spud delusion. You have one of the lower wage bills in the league and tend to overspend on transfer budgets. You don't have any significant debts because you don't have any investment other than in your annual transfer budget. In terms of revenue you generate less than half of ManUs income and under 60% of ours. That won't change, inly decrease in fact, until you manage to qualify for the CL which is why your owners were so keen to set that as a minimum objective for this season. Spuds finances are by no means poor but they aren't going to get you into the big money league for many years and you will need to invest more than you can probably afford to stand any chance of doing so at any point in the future.
Amos.
good come back mrarsenal typical gooner
dspurs64
Night!!!!!
MrArsenal
amos you idiot we have one of the highest wage bill in the league, infact that idiot darren bent is the 19th highest paid players in the world on 94,994k a week, you dont have one player in the top 50 highest paid footballers charts, get your facts right!
spursinbarca
16m and 94k a week ha ha ha ha it gets better!!! Who is in charge of your finances the krankies????????
MrArsenal
Get the facts right - it would help if you dealt in facts and not tabloid junk. You're relying on data from a Portuguese blog spursinbatter! These aren't official figures just information sent in by readers as to what they think players are earning. It even has a rider explaining that the figures are just 'best guesses'. If you want to deal in facts the on the last officially published review (you'll have to wait until late next month for the latest figures) The top five annual wage bills were Chelsea £114m, ManU £85m, Arsenal £83m, Liverpool £69m & Newcastle £52m - Spurs were something below £50m. That will have increased in next round of figures but those people that deal in facts reckon the order won't change as most clubs will have increased about the same about 7% or so.
Amos.
one sec turn on itv1 liverpool are d1cking on le scum.....aaaarrgghh gerrard
spursinbarca
fellow gunners, perhaps we should just leave those so-called spurs fans alone, they are actually quite a pitiful lot...it seemed to me that their club, their season (in fact seasonSSS), their sites are so pitifully sorrowful and even to the extent of non-existent that they have to come here and find some meaning in their pathetic life...and with how things are going I think we may just have to bear with these for many many many seasons to come, we are a truly big club so instead of exerting energies in feeling annoyed over the ikan-bilis who are just there to make up the numbers, let's devote our all to our own team and just treat these sad roaches transparent
Temasek
spursinbarca you officially have no brain. How are Spurs currently 11th in the League a bigger club than Arsenal, who are third? There is gloating over your rival's failure and then idiocy. Your BIG team is thirty points behind us in the league. Winning nothing in three years surprises you too because you EXPECT us to win stuff. We won't disappoint you next season. Promise.
Keplaz
Hi Temasek..u are obviously from singapore..so am I, but i think not many understand what ikan bilis(very small fish) is :)
lhchye
Oh lhchye, you let the cat out of the bag! thanks for helping me with the clarification though ;)
Temasek
dspurs64...please don't attempt to lecture me about true spurs fans.....I was brought up in Holloway and went to my first game at Highbury in november 1963...You and others are spouting off about 3 years without a trophy....well I just comfort myself in the knowledge that for FORTY FIVE years of going to watch Arsenal, you have never visited us as league champions.....3 years ???...huh !!...
radar
It takes a real silly person to actually admit that Darren Bent is the 19th highest paid players in the world on 94,994k...how the hell is that a good thing?!!!???
number14
I thot i'd just trawl thru the proceedings here...just had to say something after this Darren Bent admission...
number14
Need to remove Gallas as club captain. He does more harm than good.
welshboy78
What a great future you will have though. All these players are mighty young.
welshboy78
I think Gallas needs another chance..and he will get it next season.
number14
As big as Slavia Prague ... and yet bigger than you. Wow. You must really feel like a moron for pointing that out.
Moorish
Helb was mi man of the match for that game he did his job always making the defenders think and wenger should be proud of the team for what they have done this season. But i have the feeling hes gonna break his young gunz policy and bring in a few big names (but not too big) next season.
gunner24
Ronaldinho ?....
radar
Spursinbarca. I'm french and i'm not a Arsenal fan particullary, but if you said cos you can compete finnancialy with Man U, and Bent is the 19th higher wage player, you are a big club YOU ARE ALL WRONG. It is the oppsoite. The fact you have a lot of money and doing ***** with make you an idiot club, a club ywho is ******** stupid and doesn't know anything about football. Put £16M in bent is the prove, you are a ridiculous club, with a lot of money but can't compete on the pitch. Everton or Portsmouth is bigger than you so far, they don't have all that money, but know football, and know how to use it..... You are a joke, and everybody in the football world laugh about your amazing finnance power and about you're amazing knowledge in football to put £16M in Bent, the same amout Bayern paid for Ribery or Tomi plus Klose, the same amout (almost) Chelsea bought Anelka, Barcelona bought Ronaldinho, Real Madrid bought Beckham, or even more expensive than Manchester United did put in Cristiano Ronaldo......It was maybe your choice, bring bad quality footballer (Assou-Ekotto, Malbranque, Kaboul...all famous french international....lol) instead of Sagna (less expensive than Kaboul), Clichy, or Flamini (free)..... I liked spurs before, but now i will have to think about it, this silly club might deserve me.....LOL....You should be ashamed to have all that money and to be that stupid with.....Bye.
FloG
What does diz flag S**th**d mean he jus chattin sh** were a bigger club than spurz anydai your about 11th not even uefa cup place your lucky u gt dat place with your lil carling cup. Portsmouth man city everton a villa even blackburn are much bigger dan spudz but have less money 2 spend i would bet u any off your players would come to arsenal ova spudz.... but da onli 1z who have enough talent are lennon and berbatov
gunner24
*i meant spursinbarca
gunner24
Solution is very simple. Take one quality keeper, one tall world class stopper and one world class striker. This Arsenal team can do miracle. Toure, Hoyte, Hleb, Eboue, Walcott etc. can not be considered for first team. Gilberto should have been given more chances. He is class player and 100% loyal to Arsenal club. Stop toomuch passing football, nobody takes shot everybody tries to pass others. This is ineffective football. Ultimately goal counts. Better luck next time. Manas, India, Hardcore Arsenal Fan
manas
I am proud of the team and sad for them cos they deserved some silver ware for their efforts this season. Peaople are so much sadder cos of the 5 point lead... I think there has been vast improvements and if all that are currently injured come to full fitness, I think this team and squad is capable of taking in the trophies next season. With Vela and Merida back and some more reserves promoted. Keep the faith.
TeamSpirit
"Gilberto should have been given more chances. He is class player and 100% loyal to Arsenal club" - agree in principle on the class player/loyalty issue, but Gilbs has been largely gash this season. He has been a shadow of his former self.
Moorish
I am glad AW does not join the panic. Did chelsea just draw with Wigan? With a team including the world class Anelka who was supposed to have won us all the trophies we missed out on this season? They better disband their team. Are Ballack and Essein actually good enough? What if Terry and J Cole?
TeamSpirit
little dutch you have established feck all, arsenal is more expensive according to a gooner mate, now im not gonna go on the arses web site to look. but you know and i know the chelsea's turnover is bigger, you lost the arguement when you say go to the bottom of the garden etc. i never stated about overheads just about turnover and not from sky, so prove me wrong is your turnover bigger????? no it aint, thats all im saying ,you lose yet again!!
springy
Oh dear srpingy, if you're going to engage in an argument that you hold some ideals of "winning" then perhaps you could take some sage advice. Don't, under any circumstances, admit that you have no idea what the actual facts are, that's just silly. Listen again springy, as somebody who holds a home season ticket and an away season ticket, I am quite well informed of the pricing. Since I pick up london lite on the tube I know what Chelsea's pricing is. Our most expensive tickets are slightly more expensive than your most expensive tickets, but our cheapest tickets are a lot cheaper than your cheapest tickets, as are our middle range tickets, we have a greater price range, hence our tickets are more affordable. (I won't bother trying to explain the concept of averages to you again). Au contraire young bouncy, you "lost" the argument when a) you admitted you didn't know the facts and b) when you proported to have a "mate."
Little Dutch
oh deary me little dutch, you are in a state, £500 mill postitute and all that, you have lost it mate,a little matter of the champions league before you write our season off, , the matter is not of affordability its a higher football club turnover and not just through gate receipts. which i see you fail to comment on, and untill you prove me wrong on club turnover you lose, now go and have a lie down little fella,theres a good chappie. oh and "au contraire" very arsenal like... what a ponce!!!
springy
Whats the point of higher club turnover if you're going to spunk it on gargantuan wages for the players, and end up with operating losses of 74M ?!
prits
You can have a high a turnover as you like, but it all means very little when you rack up the highest losses in world football. That's like an impotent man boasting to women about the size of his schlong. Interesting you use the word "ponce" when you said on this thread a couple of months ago that Lou Reed was one of your heroes. How very confused you are little springy. The matter is affordability, you've said that Arsenal's tickets are more expensive than Chelsea's. Remember, you admitted you didn't actually know if that was the case.
Little Dutch
You have to admire springys fortitude. He will gleefully turn up here only to get absolutely shredded. I mean some would think that trying to sustain an argument while admitting that he doesn't know or is bothered with any facts (and thinks he 'heard it on the telly' so it must be right) is pretty dumb. But I don't know that for a fact.
Amos.
the matter is the turnover arsenals £200.8 mill chelsea's £223.3 mill that means higher turnover doe'snt it. the losses are for RA to absorb, which means we dont worry too much about profit, and as for lou reed, are you suggesting he is a ponce?define ponce.where did you hear that on sky or someones suggestion? you have contradicted yourself for not looking at the facts or life of lou reed. and you had a go at me for not looking at arscums average age....HYPOCRITE!!! and a confused one at that!!!as your first line which says "you can have a high a turnover as you like" an admission then, which makes me right and i thats all i was saying, if we have a bigger turnover it means we are doing extremely well and that the club is growing very rapidly. not the doom and gloom club that you would paint us. now do yourself a favour i've been proved right our turnover is bigger, you dont like it, you dont like it we are winning more matches and will more than likely be in the top 2 again and a chance in the CL. so we now know what a bitter horrible little loser you are. your an r sole little dutch. you got gubbed!!
springy
as for amos no shredding going on hear, my arguement was chelseas turnover is bigger that is all and it is, end of you wont get the better no way!!
springy
Sh1t club NO HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!
MrArsenal
Lou Reed was a pretty sexually ambiguous character springy, hence the song Venus In Furs. I would ask you to look up the lyrics and the novel of the same name, but you don't do research. He used to cause a strom by being one of the first male pop stars to wear mascara I'm a big Velvets fan and have quite a good knowledge of Lou Reed's life, enough to know that he would be reviled by a self confessed homophobe like yourself (another of your unwise admissions). So, your convoluted point you have finally arrived at, having had all other arguments shredded to pieces, is that Chelsea have higher turnover. I am quite correct to say that it matters little when you have enormous losses of £74m. What if Roman doesn't feel like underwriting the losses anymore? Then your entire club is wiped out in an instant. Hardly the sign of a club that is doing well as you put it. A club's turnover is not an indication of how well they are doing, it's profit that is a better indicatoir. You know total revenue - total costs….oh sorry, sky bought maths didn't they? As for the rest of your tirade, I thought you came to wind me up? You said you were doing a very good job as well. Strange because you look to be getting a little hot under the collar there springy.
Little Dutch
Total turnover/revenue can and does cover a lot of things, sponsorship deals, players transfers, property et cetera but if you count only matchday turnover/revenue then Chelsea posted £74,5m for last season while Arsenal posted £90,6. I didn't hear it on the telly yet but I reckon that it is still true 'cos that's what Chelsea and Arsenal said it was.
Amos.
oh really then do some more research, so lou reed writes ambiguous songs and wears mascara so what?what all other arguments?? not hot under the collar,little dutch, enjoying this immensely. why an unwise admission? because you say it is??, you say you were a velvets fan so that makes you privvy to the man?? i have lost nada and like i say you dont like chelsea in our accendancy over the goons, and roman aint going to walk away from half a billion, you'd like him to and its hardly a sign of us not doing well when he is in it for the long haul. we are not always going to make losses,we do and RA takes care of them, he owns the club, hes entitled to do what he wants, we are not geared up for profit for survival, thats why profit is more of an issue to you not us, you saying RA will walk is an old chestnut. and i knew you resort to this.
springy
amos quite happy to take that as read and sounds about right,and so it should with a bidgger stadium. thats not my arguement, i said higher club turnover not gate receipts, not profit
springy
Springy, you are just like Chelsea - boring. Only more so. Bore off.
Moorish
Yaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MrArsenal
amos clueless as ever £500 mill is for the whole thing club hotels real estate players get real! rather ask a sky man then you,nonce. going to watch youth cup final now lads!!!!
springy
Of course it is springy. But they are the same hotels, real estate etc that were there before under Ken Bates. The money hasn't gone into increasing the asset base other than a very small part of it into the new training complex. Most of it has gone on excessive wages and extortionate transfer spending. Little has been added of sustainable value. We have already established that arithmetic is a bit of a struggle for you but it seems even simple logic is asking too much.
Amos.
Springy claims bigger turnover means they are doing well. I suggest a basic course in common sense and finance for this dude - he needs it. If you dont care about profits, why does Kenyon keep on harping about breaking even by 2010 ?! It seems to matter to him.
prits
I dont think our defence needs strengthing as at the beggining of the seanson all of our back four were fit and we were doing well back there until kolo and sangna got injured we never really had any1 replace them we just probably need 1 of those versitile defenders and 1 more attacker
gunner24
but 5 extra players (with experiance) incase som1 gets injured as the case waz this season
gunner24
Look To The Future Now ? .... Er ...... You guys better watch your arse ..... Liverpool is catching up .... LOL
ivanskg
amos your wrong, the real estate and the club are worth £400 mill forget asset base, thats what RA has got for his money,the academy ,cobham, paying off bates £32 mill, all paid for by RA, yeah we have wasted money on transfers etc but we were doing it when bates was in charge, winstone bogart for one. RA doesnt want to keep on paying for the losses, no one wants to and we would like to be self sufficient, albeit a bit optimistic by 2010. but we will, if we cannot up the attendence at the bridge and have to look elswhere, how much is that going to cost and who is going to pay for it? RA, and if he does he definately staying!!
springy
 

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