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A Time To Experiment?

With our season having petered out, some might contend that Arsene should experiment in our final four league games and look to find out a little more about his players before withdrawing into his summer cocoon to mastermind next season`s assault. On the other hand, with Chelsea still in European competition and with Manchester United to visit the Bodge in search of another Premiership title, second place is still very attainable and with some very winnable games remaining, perhaps we should concentrate all of our efforts into that?

It`s certainly a conundrum for the manager. He showed signs of experimentation in our fixture at Old Trafford by playing Alex Song at centre half and deploying Robin van Persie as a left winger. On the final day of last season at Fratton Park, Arsene eschewed the prospect of third place by fielding some of his youngsters. It was the beginning of the Eboue experiment as it were, where he was played as a winger. (An experiment that has failed, more on that in a second). Johan Djourou played in central midfield and the likes of Jay Simpson and Mark Randall were substitutes. I would offer that such wholesale changes would be a little too risky. We have been in a horrible spell of form lately and I would have serious compunctions about risking losing confidence even further with indifferent results as we go into the summer. I think it`s important to finish the season strongly to allow the squad to regain some belief going into the close season. But I don`t see why some small adjustments cannot be made.

Firstly, we have to consider an alternative to Cesc Fabregas who has admirably been running on empty for a little while now. As ever, the criticism he has attracted in this period is exposed as entirely far fetched when you look at his assists record since March. But I think it`s worth giving him a breather for one or two of the games on the bench and allowing Diaby to prove himself in the central birth he craves. Diaby is utterly wasted out on the left; in the centre he would provide a different approach to Fabregas with his power and impressive dribbling skills. I think it is worth considering as a variable alternative, we have come to rely too much on certain characters and need to be able to give these players a breather every once in a while. Comparisons are painfully simplistic, but one can look at Ferguson, who once every ten games or so will leave one of his superstars on the bench for home games against 'lesser` teams. They are always available to introduce if things go a shape of the pear.

Alternatively, Denilson (reward for his capture?) appears to be Fabregas` mini me, cut from the same stylish, swaggering cloth. Like Diaby, he looked very impressive at the back end of last season and giving him some more minutes can only benefit us for next year. Now, I believe Emmanuel Eboue attracts far too much criticism for his displays in an Arsenal shirt this season. However, I think the manager has to accept that he does not make enough of an attacking contribution to be a right winger. I do think that too many have been too hasty to forget his performances as an attacking full back in the past, I would argue that he should be in the squad as Sagna`s back up and somebody who can allow Sagna the odd match to rest his limbs. I think Kolo Toure needs to spend the rest of the season relaxing in a hot bath. Burn out is never more noticeable than when it happens to a player as energetic and rumbustuous as Toure. He has played pretty constantly for four years and his current malaise is entirely understandable. I have no concerns for his long term future; I just think he needs to take a load off his back with a pack of silk cut and a pint of the black stuff (metaphorically speaking you understand. If I see him with either of the aforementioned in one of my local boozers this summer, I will confiscate and, ahem, recycle). Eboue needs to play at right back for the last part of the season with Sagna still out. He needs to learn how to do it again in readiness for next season. His discomfort on the flank is understandable, as a full back, he would have Alex Hleb in front of him, creating space for him to power into. Whilst an erstwhile runner, Eboue is no Alex Hleb on the football, beating players is not his forte. Let him get back to doing what he does best.

Fabregas and Sagna will likely be involved in international action this summer (shakes fist towards heavens maniacally). I think we can afford these changes. With a space now vacated on the right hand side, it would be an excellent time to accelerate the development of Theo Walcott. Too much pressure is put on this lad and the whole world seems to think him incapable of average. One week he is the most awful player ever to don shinpads and another example of Arsenal destroying indigenous talent, the next he is the finest player ever to pass urine and should play every position on the pitch on his lonesome. You know, like one of those old Bugs Bunny cartoons? However, we have seen Walcott develop into a very good impact player to unleash onto weary defenders (witness Theo`s passable Forest Gump impression at Anfield). With the pressure and the spotlight focussed not so keenly in the last four games, I think it would represent a good opportunity to get him to exude an effect over 90 minutes.

As I mentioned earlier, it is important not to take our remaining opposition too lightly and finish the season strongly and with a big a points total as we can amass. Probably one or two of the aforementioned changes in each game would suffice. There have been points this season where Wenger obviously has not trusted his squad players and this is a good chance for some of them to stake their claim. For players such as Gilberto and Mad Jens, I think their focus will be razor sharp as they propel themselves with longing into the shop window for watching suitors. (Visions of Amsterdam instantly come to mind). I saw an interview with Adebayor in which he revealed that he was desperate to hit the thirty goal mark, as Henry apparently predicted last summer that Ade would hit that lofty number. (Incredibly he is still criticised. I urge you to go and look up Ade`s shots to goals ratio compared to Ronaldo. It might surprise you). Complete overhaul is neither desirable nor necessary, but Arsene can use the last four games as a canvas for his developing masterpiece. As King Whitney Jnr. once said, "Change has a considerable psychological impact on the human mind. To the fearful it is threatening because it means that things may get worse. To the hopeful it is encouraging because things may get better. To the confident it is inspiring because the challenge exists to make things better."LD.




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Date:Wednesday April 16 2008

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Good read. But compare Adebayor ratio to Ronaldo one is just ridiculous. Ronaldo is not a stricker first of all, and he takes the free-kicks or set pieces as Ade doesn't. Ronaldo is a fake winger and is free to shoot on target from where he wants. Ade as a stricker has to put goal when he has a chance and he doesn't do it often enough to give the the title.
FloG
Interesting dilemma - is there still enough left to take anything out of the season by fielding our strongest possible team (whatever that is) - or would it be of greater long term benefit to risk dropping points that we might have otherwise gained? I think we need to end the season with as big an improvement on last season as we can in order to take something more into next season. Depends on who is fit of course but starting RvP if he is will get him back into the swing if he can notch a couple of goals before the end of the season. Flamini is out so some experimentation in CM is feasible even if Cesc isn't rested. I don't think Sagna is back yet so RB still allows some experimenation with the defensive line up. Walcotts appearance at least as an impact sub is assured maybe a starting berth in the centre is worth trying. I think we can afford to trust Bendtner a little more to see if he can make an early bid for more regular starts next season bringing Ade on later in the games if warranted. It will be interesting to see how Wenger uses these last four games. Time to take a chance or would 4 wins settle recent nerves and offer more encouragement to players and supporters alike?
Amos.
Would be nice to finish strongly and nick runners up spot. Maybe now is the time to drop that clown Eboue and start Theo in ALL the remaining games!!!
MrArsenal
Walcott just has to start up front for the remaining games. There will never be a better time for the little fella to prove his worth. Competitve football, that is, for all intents and purposes, "meaningless" to us gives him the perfect opportuinty to show us what he can do. And completely agree that Cesc and Toure need to put their feet up!!! I'd also like to see what Fabianski can do in goal too!!
Rocky7
Nice article LD. My sentiments exactly on the Eboue situation. Also, with regards to the race for 2nd place it could be pretty important, considering half of our squad will be playing in the Euros, the early start to the season (ie CL qualifying rounds) won't do us any favours, espescially if (when) we get drawn against tough opponents.
flv
"shakes fist towards heavens maniacally" -- LOL!! I loved that, gave me a good giggle. Great write-up. I just want to see us win these last remaining games and really go for 2nd place. The game that worries me is Sunderland on their home ground. As for experimentation, the thing I would most like to see is Diaby given a good spell in the middle. I really think there's a terrific footballer in Diaby. Also, please read this excellent article on our supposed "demise" from a very level-headed football analyst based in Canada, a Scotsman, who routinely criticizes the British media for their hysteria and knee-jerk reactions: http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/BobbyMcMahon/2008/04/10/Weekend_Preview_The_Demise_of_Arsenal_or_the_End_of_the_Beginning
jaelle
Nice read LD. Couldn't agree more and I think you'll be proved right. I'd expect Walcott, Bendtner and Song to start the remainder of the games. Denilson should get more match time also. Diaby is an interesting one?? I seems to me that the whole world see's him as a Vieira-esque central midfielder except for Wenger. He persists in playing him on the wing, possibly for not wanting to upset the Flam - Fab partnership. I'd absolutely hate to see Flamini leave, but I reckon its Diabys only chance of a run in there. It's going to be an interesting couple of games to say the least!!
d11gunner
Flv. only Gallas, Senderos, Fabregas and Van Persie are 100% sure to go to the euro..... then Lehmann, Almunia, Sagna, Clichy, Djourou, Flamini, Diaby, Rosicky, Eduardo, Bendtner could be or not at the euro, but nobody is sure, for differents resons (Lehman doesn't play, Almunia is not in the paper, Sagna, Clichy, Flamini and Diaby have serious opponents, Rosicky and Eduardo are injured....). So AW doesn't have to think about the Euro. I think he should rest Toure and Fabregas, play Eboue at right back, give a chance to Song, Diaby, Walcoott, Denilson to play more, even Hoyte or Traore could have a call up.
FloG
An relatively unrested Gallas, Fabs, and RVP going into the new season is more than enough to worry about as far as I'm concerned FloG. Maybe I worry too much, but based on our international injury record, I think I've got some cause for concern.
flv
Does anybody know for certain if Rosicky will play in the Euros as yet? Selfish maybe, but I'd be pretty annoyed if he does play, seeing as he's spent half of the season resting up.
flv
I wouldn't even say RVP is 100% sure given his obvious lack of fitness at the moment. It's my understanding that Denmark did not qualify for the Euros (I could be wrong, international football isn't my forte- largely because I think it's a complete waste of time and of an embarrassingly low quality). But if Denmark had qualified, Bendtner would be pretty much assured, his goalscoring record at that level is very impressive. If I were Domenech, Diaby wouldn't be near my squad, but Sagna would be a starter, Clichy would be in ahead of Abidal (maybe as a sub for Evra who is an excellent full back), Flamini would definitely be there. If I were in charge of the French squad, I'd select bloody none of them! I'd like to see Song given a bit of a run, having performed so well in the African Nations, he could do with a chance to build on that. After a couple of shaky moments, he did very well at Old Trafford. If Flamini and Gilberto are to go in the summer, as looks likely, Song has a chance to stake a claim in the DM berth. John Djourou has also stated that that is his preferred position, so food for thought there too. Actually, the top four clubs probably won't have as many players away as in previous years, with the rise in prominence of Africans and smattering of South Americans, England's latest failure and the like. The likes of Gerrard, Rooney, Tevez, Terry, Drogba, Essien, Toure, Adebayor will all spend the summer on a beach (or urinating on nightclub tables).
Little Dutch
If Rosicky plays in the euros he should be transfer listed with immediate affect. That would be a terrible insult to the club for him to do that.
Little Dutch
theo should start and finish all 4 games now. dont care if he is up front or on wing but he needs to learn how to play 90 minutes regardless of how effective he is - he needs to learn. as it is he is becoming typecast as a super-sub, in some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy, and we need to get away from that.
gazzap
Domenech tends to rely on his core of worn out veterans (for which he is roundly criticized) aided by a few younger players he seems to have decided on, like Benzema and Toulalan. He doesn't seem to want to use Flam, Diaby, Clichy, Sagna -- he just puts them on the bench all or most of the time.
jaelle
I think if we win our last 4 games we'll come 2nd (the chavs vs Liverpool games will drain Chavski immensly and also anyone who has eyes) so we should only tinker here and there and not wholesale changes. I'd play Theo up front in a couple, one home, one away and give diaby the same treatment in central midfield.
iceman10
Also, LD, you are correct about Denmark not qualifying. I don't know if you heard about it in the news at the time, but there was a qualifier between Denmark and Sweden where a drunken Danish fan ran on the pitch and tried to attack the ref. The game was almost finished but the ref ended the game immediately after the fan's attempted assault, awarding the game to Sweden, which left Denmark unable to qualify on points. It was actually a cracking game, one of the very few exciting int'l games (a rarity, I know). So you are correct, Bendtner will not play at the Euros.
jaelle
Hold on, would Walcott up front be an experiment? And I agree Rocky, give Luckasz a go. He is the future! (Although I did say the same thing about Senderos about 2 years ago....)
gunnerdownunder
Domenech is the worst manager ever. He would tooj Diaby ahead of Ben Arfa i'm sure. Sagna would be a back up for Sagnol.... And i would put Evra in the a=start eleven for sure (best left back in the world) and Clichy as a back up. Put Abidal in Center back. Domenech even prefer Thuram (who play one every 2 month for Barca) to Mexes, one of the best center back in the world. He keep playeing Henry ahead of Benzema , Trezeguet (he even prefer Cisse to Trezeguet) and Anelka, even if Henry is doing ******** ***** for us. If Diaby is in our squad for the Euro, i would be Happy to lose all our game, Italy, Netherlands and Roumania, it is still possinle. Come on guys, kick this silly french manager out of the euro and as soon as possible please.
FloG
take every game seriously, we can still finish second!!!
49ers
Ade's braids are back! I just looked at the official site -- there's a new video interviewing some of the players, asking them what they'd want to do in life if they weren't playing football (Hleb jokes he'd be in the mafia; Jens would be a lawyer; Flam would be an actor in Hollywood; Almunia wants to work with plants and trees). Ade has no answer to the question -- but his braids are definitely back! FloG, I agree with you generally about Domenech's choices, I know he drives everyone in France crazy with his decisions. Oh, and Senderos has a separate interview about his love of basketball--he looks recovered from his breakdown.
jaelle
Jens a lawyer! lol, he would only have to look at you and you would start telling the truth! Imagine if a Judge overuled him! wow
iceman10
I know iceman, I had instant images of serious courtroom drama with Jens tearing making the judge, jury and witnesses (he also said he'd be a businessman -- probably more ruthless than Donald Trump); oh and Bendtner would choose the police force or the army. That kid has serious power issues.
jaelle
* "tearing into the judge, jury and witnesses..."
jaelle
lol iceman, i wish hollywood makes a movie on Jens, and he acts himself in it. would be priceless..
luckys_10
anyway now is not really a time to experiment with the team. the 2nd spot should be our target and avoid those CL qualifiers. that should be our top priority now..
luckys_10
Can some-one post a link to the shots to goal ratio of both Ronaldo and Ade, cheers
RVP11
Lovingly pinched from some dude on arseblogger RVP11 Adebayor 23 goals in 106 shots (57 SOG) - 1 goal/4.6 shots Ronaldo 34 goals in 216 shots (109 SOG) - 1 goal/6.4 shots
Little Dutch
someone has told me that the interview with ade and the other players on the official site is not new so I guess ade doesn't have his braids. I assumed that interview was new because it's dated this week. Oh well.
jaelle
jaelle. i think almunia already working with a few plants. ade no answer? trees dont speak!!!!!
dspurs64
We shouldn't experiment too much now but shoot for second and no CL qualifiers right after the Euros. The time for experimentation is in the pre-season friendlies. Plus the fans are cheated if they are paying full price and getting the CC team.
elbondo
Hey, (not too) glad to be back. And no, I didn't go into hiding. But "luckily" the homework took my mind off football a little bit in what proved to be a desperately depressing week. Cheers Jaelle - nice article there. I also did some catch-up on ATVO - I know it's just Derby, but the lads played well in their last reserves game. Traore's been looking good in left wing. Denilson finally got a game, but for some reason only lasted 55 mins. Woo-kash played well in goal too. Not clear in the highlights whether Djourou played in CB or DM (his preferred position and in which he played for the reserves recently) but he looked ok. And btw, this Sunu kid has looked very good this year, he scored a fantastic goal - must watch it if you have ATVO/ATV. While I still think we should go for 2nd spot - to mark the huge improvement we've made this year and to avoid the CL qualifiers in summer - some injuries would force Arsene's hand to experiment anyway. I agree Sagna's RB spot should be filled by Eboue. Flam and Kolo who may do with a rest could be replaced by Song (although Gilberto had a much better game at OT and I hope he gets a good move this summer) and Senderos/Djourou. RvP can use this period to get fit without pressure. Give Theo a start please, whether up front or out wide. If Arsene doesn't experiment against Reading at home, I don't know when he would.
Lou the Gunneress
Lou, did you see the performance of Wiltshire? He was like a little mini-Hleb. 8-)
flv
We need to go for thr runners-up spot, which is the very least we deserve. If Chelski and even the Scousers finish above us I will do my nut!!
julieloveshenry4ever
Deja vu - we had this same discussion last season (only earlier), and look what Wenger and the team did. Lost all purpose and determination, and ended up with 4th spot (with a lucky draw against Pompey on the last day). However, it did NOT impact our current seasons form. So I disagree with the basic premise of this article - no extra belief will be attained coz of good shows now in meaningless games. Having said that, I would like to see some experimentation from Wenger (Song, Diaby, Denilson & Theo to start), and some motivation to finish 2nd.
prits
you should take all games seriously, if you do the math you can still win the double lol
spursinbarca
Spaininbarca. If u win the rest of your matches (wich i doubt) u may get into the top half of the table. What an achievement
gunner24
If you do the mathSSSSS spudsinbatter, you'll see that Tottenham can still go down and we can still win the league. It is unfortunately no longer mathematically possible for you to break into the top four, and, as of March 9th this year, no longer mathematically possible for you to finish above us.
Little Dutch
and we both no you will not win the league and we wil not go down, yes you will get into the CL but as always you will do sooooo well in it
spursinbarca
when it comes to experimenting - do you think wenger will start sleeping with the opposite sex?
spursinbarca
If you do the maths spudwithnobrain is a little *****!
vavavoom14
vavavoom what kind of french motor did you use when you had to make that long drive back from anfield lol
spursinbarca
Can no one ban this stupid little tart from our site! I feel sorry for the people in Barca that have to smell the stench from this inbreed!
vavavoom14
Laughing at your own jokes there I see, you must be very easily amused if that one caused you to 'laugh out loud.' You didn't answer my enquiry yesterday, you ripped into jaelle when she said she watched other teams, yet you admit to having Barcelona membership. What gives?
Little Dutch
no be honest you are envious of the people in barca because they get to watch you hero henry - that player that left you for a big club
spursinbarca
LD i did answer your question and ill tell you again, i have a membership and i dont go to the games i use it to buy CL tickets and sell them to the Brits when they draw them for silly money, this year ive made a tidy profit on celtic, rangers and man utd
spursinbarca
No im more envious of the people of enfield who have to watch your hero Darren Bent
vavavoom14
Spursinbarca whoose dizz **** spurs fans are already fat but with the barca diving o s**t wouldnt like to see dat fat people wearing ketchup stained white t-shirts diving for da last hotdog and fries lol
gunner24
gunner24, are you a gangsta.....aahhhh how nice
spursinbarca
Ahhh, so you're a scummy tout. Gotcha. Shame you never get to sell those tickets to Spurs fans eh?
Little Dutch
i no im more of a gangsta dan u lol
gunner24
Little dutch he hasnt got no membership! His a 13 year old school kid thats on half term! His mummy and daddy gives him pocket. His never been to white hart lane or any football ground in his life and his only pleasure is comming on here and trying to be funny (Which lets face it he isnt) He makes sick comments about Wenger and Maddie Mccann and forgetting about football, this parasite should be banned.
vavavoom14
LD im not a scummy tout, scummy touts deny real football fans tickets, the tickets i sell are simply not obtainable by all the travelling fans that come over here, FCB refuse to sell CL tickets to fans with a british passport, if it wernt for me these seats would just be empty in most cases. and if anyone here could buy a ticket for 73 euros and sell them for 500 euros - most would and you know it
spursinbarca
lol, vavavoom let me get this right i am a 13 year old angry at wenger hahahahah
spursinbarca
Your a 13 year old kid that says his not a tout and then goes on to says that you buy the tickets for 73 euros and then sells them on for 500!!! Thick? Stupid? Moron?
vavavoom14
selling 6 tickets a year hardly makes a person a tout, a moron is someone who spends a fortune travelling to milan and anfield etc only to realise he should have used the money to buy his boyfriend some toys
spursinbarca
Is that what you call it? Everyone else in the world would call it being a football fan! But you wouldnt know about that would you 5 1? Ahhhhh The day the spuds get to play in Milan....Bet you have wet dreams thinking about that dont you little boy?
vavavoom14
actually LD, I think it was dspurs who ripped into me for watching other teams, I could be wrong. anyway, this little spuddie amoeba who plagues poor Barcelona, YidEdy and dspurs all waste their 10 year old kiddie brain energy with me because I scroll thru all their posts, don't read their comments, never will. to me they're nothing more than cyber-dust.
jaelle
You go on and on and on and on about wenger and toys, Maddie mccann and little boys, im just starting to think that im wrong about you 5.1. Maybe your not 13. Maybe your a dirty little man that likes that sort of thing? I mean come on, thats all you seem to think about!
vavavoom14
jaelle, your not calling me cyber dust are you? please dont! i bet you used to be bullied at school for givng the teacher an apple- cyber dust zzzzzzzzz what a nerd
spursinbarca
your on your pc right now airnt you 5.1. Going though all your pervy little websites! Finding all that disgusting stuff. Then just as your ready to do what you have to do.....oooops No bo11ocks! lol
vavavoom14
listen vavavoom you go to many matches, and so did i before i left the UK, and only when you go to the matches do you hear all the chants, so why does what i say disgust you so much? you must hear it on your away trips (emirates not so much because lack of atmoshphere), have you never sang fat b.a.s.t.ar.d to mark viduka, or posh spice takes it up the arse to beckham, well you must have heard sit down you p.e.do.phile at old trafford the other week because i heard it on tv, and when you hear it on the box its at least 3000 singing it
spursinbarca
Spud, whats the name of your bar? The Blue Oyster bar?
Cesky
.........its what happens in football so if you are a real football fan do you sit in your seat saying i cant belive they are singing this, i wish they would stop singing????
spursinbarca
There's no excuse for such disgusting behaviour, so don't try condoning it as normal spud. Every club has a minority of sick individuals, it just that with spuds, its the majority who are illiterate moronic benefit cheating reprobates.
Cesky
We all know that it isnt true! I use to work on the floor as a trader in the city and know tha spuddie that started that rumour! Thing is 5.1 thats all you go on about. So sorry but me thinks you are the real deal and nothing you say will change my mind on that. I have a son of 11 and thank God you are in barca!!
vavavoom14
And then there's you...makes the majority of spuds look like normal decent folk!
Cesky
cesky you talk cr-ap and obviously in the emirates its a minority because no one bloody sings there, but in any other stadium 75% of the fans sing
spursinbarca
vavvoom did you name your son henry, maybe he will leave you for a better father?
spursinbarca
with a packet of sweets and a cheeky smile spurs in barca...............
vavavoom14
WHat are you talking about spud? I think your reading off the wrong post. I wasn't talking about the emirates, i was calling you an illiterate moronic reprobate. Add to that a pervert and a scummy tout.
Cesky
So what's the name of your bar? is it the YMCA? SOunds right up your alley
Cesky
cesky you jockey i was talking to vavvoom, are you trying to say if 20000 fans sing you fat ******** to mark viduka are moronic you have no idea about what goes on in a football staduim
spursinbarca
No i named him peado catcher...And his commin to hunt you down 5.1
vavavoom14
why because you dont satisfy him?
spursinbarca
I wonder if the SPanish social services have been warned?
Cesky
I think we all know what 5.1 is! lock up your bum and your kids...spudinbarca is on the prowl.
vavavoom14
so vavavoom your a trader will this rumour spread like you mates supposed rumour about wenger, i bet your just not as good as trader as he is.
spursinbarca
"why because you dont satisfy him" Now only a deranged peado mind would even think of a comment like that. Talking about a father and son! You really are very sick 5.1! very very sick!
vavavoom14
Spud, why spend all your time trying to get attention from a club that you supposedly hate. It is a reflection of the truly sad and lonely life that you live. You come here, try and be funny and get cussed all the time...aren't you tired of it yet? In fact aren't you tired of your sad pathetic existence yet? Get a life *****. Support a proper club. Get some real friends. Maybe one day you will meet a girl...who knows?
Cesky
you are the one that got personal with the peado cr-ap vavavoom so dont start crying
spursinbarca
No and your not the manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world you tool. You just mess around with little kids and hide behind your pc
vavavoom14
Look up at the post moron! your the one who started with the peado *****! As you ALWAYS do
vavavoom14
Cesky how in the world can he ever get a girl? His so pathitic even wannata slub would look at him
vavavoom14
Spud, don't try and give it the large if you can't take it. So whats the name of your bar spud? is it the sweetie lounge?
Cesky
cesky i live in barcelona now so i dont get to london to much. so my only form of taking the p155 out of gooners is online, and since this season has presented me with sooo many opportunities that why im here so much, and before your ask why do i hate you, it because i come from nort london unlike most gooners including the club itself, does that answer you question.
spursinbarca
slob
vavavoom14
no vavavoom read carfully - you got personal with the peado stuff, now do you understand what personal means, unless you name is arsene wenger it wasnt personal - muppet
spursinbarca
NO not really spud, because i still think your a sad pathetic attention seeking loser and a risk to children.
Cesky
Vavavoom14, it was probably wishful thinking.. there are too many if's and maybe's for it to ever happen. maybe of he can get a life, maybe if he can stop being such a knobend, maybe of he supprted a proper club only then could he start the long road to sorting himself out!
Cesky
Come on mods eh, letting this swampy (unt post on this site really is undermining it's integrity.
AFC85Lew
No you hate us because your so ******** bitter of what has happend in the last 20! We have left you so far behind that you think 3 years without a trophy and you winning a worthless pot after 9 years is somethinh to take the p1ss out of? Ive seen my team win the league at white hart lane more than any spud fan! We have won 3 doubles! 1 domesic double! 13 titles!10 f.a cups! Unbeaten for a whole season! 49 games without losing (English record) won the league at anfield and old trafford! 2 european trophys! We have one of the best stadiums in the world! play the football that old bill nick would be w2nk1in in his grave at......thats why you hate us!
vavavoom14
Swampy (unt yes that is an intellegent comment does Lew stand for lewisham - south london scum at least you know where your clubs roots lie
spursinbarca
You see spud, there are some of your fellow spuddies who come here and enage in good natured banter or intelligent debate. They are more than welcome. You on the other hand offer nothing. Nada, zilch. I fear that if you don't stop watsing your time, that will be all there is to say about you when nature (or a vengeful parent) takes its course and you die. You tombstone will read "here lies a complete waste of a life. Was there any point?". Do you really want that spud?
Cesky
can I ask all Gooners a question? What do you really think off this idiot 5.1.......................?
vavavoom14
vavvoom you make me laugh, ive seen you on this forum slag oof the emirates so many time and you know why too - you can have a 300,000 seater stadium but if you fill it up with mutes whats the point! i heard more sound out of a pillow
spursinbarca
cesky. who will even bother to get him a tombstone?
vavavoom14
can i answer that question they hate me......that is my aim muppet, to p155 you champions of europe off
spursinbarca
I for one Vava, wish he would just go away. I almost feel pity for such a pathetic creature and the miserable existence it must lead, reminiscent of Gollum without the ring, and all he desires is to slip his finger in the ring. Methinks this spud and gollum have a lot in common.
Cesky
I make you laugh. Thats funny im 47! Thought only 6 year olds would do that
vavavoom14
anyway im off got to go to work, ill be watching everton v chavs tonight, they are building it up as the challange for the title on chavs part - do you remember that feeling lol bye
spursinbarca
But thats the point. your so boring that you dont p1ss anyone off!
vavavoom14
Do you remember? Not unless your over 50 you dont. what a plank!
vavavoom14
I'd better do some work too! VAvavoom14, hope this idiot gets the point and tries to get a life before its too late for him. Can't say we didn't try!
Cesky
Ignore the Barca-loving hypocrite. He has shown up his own ignorance, stupidity and inferiority complex in front of not only us on this forum but also in front of his fellow Spuds on their site. He is basically a sad idiot.
Moorish
Maybe thats why he spends all his time here - because all the spuds think he's an idiot too. I really do pity the creature.
Cesky
When he says his going to work i just hope his not a lollipop man! Schools out soon!!
vavavoom14
At least the roots of The Arsenal are a london borough, not Herts you mug.
AFC85Lew
cesky, you just insulted Gollum, c'mon! and guys, why waste your time on a 10 year old?
jaelle
lol Jaelle, you are right. As despicable a creature as Gollum is, this spud is worse!
Cesky
Er, so do you guys think we should rotate somewhat? I'd like Theo, Denilson and Senderos (he'll redeem himself if given a chance I think) or Djourou/Song (DM) to get a start.
Lou the Gunneress
Theo, Denilson and Song should be used. I'm sorry to say it but Senderos is pretty much hopeless. Anytime you see him up against a decent up front, he can't handle it.
The_Legend_Of_Zola
I Don no y ppl r sain 2 gt rid of adebayor if u look at the quality of his goals ull see hes scored some gr8 goals this season and rvp cant go even if he may be unreliable because of injuries guti had the same problem but now in mi eyes hes 1 of reals best players (only robinho n van nistelroy are better) and y did we giv baptista bak 2 madrid ???
gunner24
Lou, I'd definitely love to see Denilson and Theo. Senderos isn't available, AW gave him some time off after his breakdown.
jaelle
Senderos has bags of ability but no brain....someone ought to tell him that he is allowed to watch the ball when corners and free kicks are coming in....he is a big lad and ought to assert himself more in the box....look at the flight of the ball.....jump...head away...job done !!!.....as opposed to run around in circles looking at the other players feet !!
radar
and I would love us to nick the runners-up spot....If its the best we can do then we should go for it.....I think a point should be made...It will be sad to have been on top for most of the season only to end up third....
radar
I sometimes wonder if Senderos' problem is that he thinks too much, that he's too intelligent. He is known for being one of the most educated players, speaks multiple languages, and so on. Players who think too much and who don't think enuf both make stupid, silly mistakes.
jaelle
I don't think Senderos has made anymore mistakes than Gallas or Toure. It's just when he does, they're highlighted times a thousand. If you look at our best periods of formin the last three years- the run in in 04-05 where we went ten games without conceding a goal, the CL run where we went ten games without conceding a goal, xmas until late Feb this year, Senderos has been a virtual ever present in all of those periods. He played in the Bernebeu and the San Siro and hasn't played in any of our league defeats this season, nor did he play the second leg at WHL in January, he also didn't play in the 4-0 reverse at OT.
Little Dutch
The problem with Senderos is that he lacks the mobility of Gallas and Toure. He probably makes up all that with his aerial ability but he still gets muscled out by the likes of Drogba and so on.. which is why I think he has succeeded in Europe.. nobody has roughed him up.. so when we faced an English opponent in Europe, and played Senderos and Toure at right back, I cannot really expect a tight defence. I'm sorry, but Senderos may have the ability - but he's a confidence player and at the moment, it seems that his confidence has gone.
arsenalrulz4ever
I think that we should keep hold of Senderos. He's years away from peak age for a central defender and I think it could be one of those that if we let him go it'll come back and bite us on the Arse at a later date. He's now also pretty experienced in all competitions, and trying to find another defender with that kind of experience who'll happily sit on the bench and wait for a chance won't be at all easy, if not impossible. As LD points out, it's easy to remember his particular mistakes as they are highlighted to death. Yep, granted his mistakes were in a high priority game, but let's face it Clichy and Gallas made mistakes that cost us Premiership points and according to our poll earlier on this season, didn't the majority of us vote the Premiership as higher priority than the CL? If that's the case then we should maybe scrutinize the performances of our other defenders before rushing big Phil out of the door.
flv
I agree with LD - apart from Sagna, nobody's immune of mistakes at the back. And Jaelle has a point - he's piling pressure on himself by thinking too much. Kind of like Theo, trying to live up to people's expectations at a young age, in a very self-conscious way. Unlike Cesc or Flamini who'd just go for it naturally without worrying too much. If you say Senderos lacks pace, fair enough, he's not the Kolo/Gallas type. But he doesn't have to be. BTW, Djourou made a Kolo-esque run from back to front to set up a goal in the reserves game. Maybe while Senderos needs some time off, Djourou could come in as backup, as Kolo really should be rested.
Lou the Gunneress
And I meant to add that I don't think Diaby as a DM is a good idea - just look at his tackles. While he's a talented player, he doesn't have the defensive skills to play alongside Cesc. Some of us may liken him to Vieira bcos he's physically similar but the kid's not making his presence felt on the pitch, not yet anyway. While Denilson also made some mistakes (his red card against Blackburn or someone? I don't remember for sure, it's in CC), defensively he looked more solid than Diaby, from the limited cameos we saw. Diaby's more of an attacking player but I don't see him replacing Cesc. And I'd also like to see him show more competitive mentality and work ethic, of which Denilson has plenty. Meanwhile though, both lack match fitness, but Diaby looked ok before his suspension. So in Flam's DM place, I think Song's most ready (if he's not backing up in CB) to step up.
Lou the Gunneress
It's a pity that AW doesn't try Djourou as a DM because that's how Djourou actually sees himself. It's where he wants to play throughout his career according to his interviews in the Swiss press, and it's where the Swiss national team places him. As for Senderos, I totally agree that his mistakes are wildly hyped up. Tony Adams at 23 was not the best defender either, he was often criticized, esp. in his int'l appearances back then. But Tony had a consistent run of games to improve, Senderos doesn't. At 23, Tony had played a lot more games than Big Phil. Also, in today's climate where memories are short, media coverage is instantaneous and replays are run constantly on TV and the net, players today have much less room to make mistakes, develop and improve than they used to. For his own career, it may be better to loan Senderos out or sell him.
jaelle
I would rather see him stay and play..he has the potential to be better than Gallas or Toure...he just needs guidence and confidence....
radar
Senderos may lack mobility, but Adams and Terry and Baresi hardly lightning quick. I think Toure and Gallas lack his aerial prowess, so he offers different qualities. The thing about Senderosis,and I know this sounds odd, is that, like Ade, he puts himself up for criticism because he doesn't hide. If he makes an error he throws himself at the next cross or does his utmost to win the next tackle. I may be in a small band here, but I think this guy has so much potential, the instances I posted above suggest that. If we sold him I really think we'd regret it in five years or so.
Little Dutch
Senderosis! An apt typo -it's sounds like a medical condition - a bit like Eboueitis and Gallaseraria. It affects some gooners when things haven't gone the way we had hoped leading to demands of amputation from the squad. Most diseases have a cure and the patient recovers eventually just as young footballers can overcome their youthful shortcomings and go on to become really great players. That's often the natural order of things - particularly for defenders.
Amos.
I must have eaten some dodgy paella because I appear to have come down with a touch of Fabregastritis!
Little Dutch
That sounds nasty - I think half the Spurs team came down with that a few seasons back.
Amos.
So glad Denilson's ok - http://youngguns.wordpress.com/2008/04/15/found-safe-well-fit-arsenals-denilson/
Lou the Gunneress
Jeeeez I se JK Rowlings back zzzzzzzzzzzz
YidEdy
spursinbarca, i've been splitting my sides, these lot of how many can't handle you, I thought it was strength in numbers, then again 60,000 seats no noise I suppose not. vavavoom has just won tart of the year contest, He said he was offended by the yid part of my name , then called spurs fans stupid yids. And he cries like a 5 year old to get people barred. He should be barred, people in glass houses. I think he's wengers bitch.
YidEdy
I'm in the pro-Senderos camp too. Earlier this season, I was running out of patience with the number of mistakes he made, but we looked defensively solid when he partnered Gallas (during the ACN). He does make too many individual mistakes for my liking, but I see more potential there than anything else. Its not the end of the world if defenders make them - Gallas and Toure have also been culpable this season. He should stay as back up.
prits
Poor YidEdy, you tried in vain to compare me to an author, the implication being that I have a tendency to waffle. But all you could think of was the world's most prominent childrens' author. How sweet. You could have said Hemingway, someone renowned for long, uninteresting prose. Or Tolstoy, author of War and Peace, you've heard of that right? It's the well long one. Now, if you're a good boy and go away, I promise to read you an extract from the BFG, I might even let you colour in some of Quentin Blake's drawings.
Little Dutch
Just for the record, I have never used the Y word...EVER! So once again that idiot Edy gets it wrong again!
vavavoom14
Im Jewish for Gods sake! Why would I ever use that word? What a tart!
vavavoom14
Oh look, another worm has surfaced! Yid edy, for you to make those comments above, i assume you have only read what the other spud has written, not the replies. How sweet, Gollum now has a new ring to stick his finger in. Hope you two live happily ever after you sound perfect for each other.
Cesky
Most of these Spuds are regular Aunt Sallies - setting themselves up just to be knocked down. Yet some have convinced themselves that they are masters of the 'bon mot' - not like Spuds to be deluded is it.
Amos.
Denilson is back for the game against Reading :)
gjonelezaj
Ha! That post has a very simian qulaity to it Edy. It reads like it was written by a silverback gorilla. But I fear I'd be giving you too much credit with that comparison.
Little Dutch
 

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