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Arsenal's Home Grown Players

An EU study into the training of young players published last month supported the UEFA quota system of home-grown players defining these as players, of any nationality, trained within a national association boundaries for 3 years between the ages of 15 and 21. The quota system applies to UEFA competitions and completes its phased introduction with next season`s competitions culminating in the requirement that 8 home grown players (of which 4 must have been trained at the club) are included in a 25-man squad.

Part one of the EU study report has some interesting observations when comparing the training of nationals in different European countries and within different leagues. While it is true that English clubs do currently have the lowest percentage of nationals appearing in the PL at an average 45% it isn`t that dramatically different, given the financial attraction, from Portugal, with it`s reliance on Brazilian imports, at 51% or even Germany at 53%. At the same time the percentage of home grown players trained in the region is higher in the PL at 48.4% compared to 44.5% in Portugal.

The report is careful not to allow too many direct comparisons from one club to another and the listings are not full but even so some interesting facts emerge about Arsenals investment in training players. The first statistic that caught my eye is that the image of Arsenal as a training ground for non-national players to a greater extent than other clubs is incorrect. Figures shown in the report for last season show that at Arsenal just 21.6% of the players training between the ages of 15 -18 were non-nationals. This was not a full list but even so, compared to 31.7% at Manchester United and 50% at Aston Villa with Manchester City, Blackburn and Reading also having greater percentages of non-national trainees this figure is not particularly high. The figures included in this report also show that Arsenal has the highest percentage of home-grown players on their playing roster at 75.7% compared to the PL average of 48%.

The other statistic meriting notice was the amount spent on training young players. The average spend in the PL is 3m per club. Arsenal comfortably exceed this at 3.76m with Man Utd., at 2.82m. The conclusion that can be drawn from this is that not only are Arsenal training more national players, alongside non- national players, we are spending more on them. Maybe that`s a factor in players like Aaron Ramsey deciding where he would receive the best footballing education.

The report also details a number of other interesting comparisons showing for example that France leads Europe in club spending on developing players which may explain the success they have had in exporting players to other leagues.

Uefa is pushing to extend the 8 from 25 rule to domestic competitions. Lord Triesman has recently made noises about adopting such a rule for the FA Cup with the probability that the PL and other European leagues would also eventually adopt it. From the limited data available from this report it does seem that Arsenal have cut their cloth pretty well in order to comply if and when such a move is ever implemented.




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The Journalist

Writer: Amos Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Thursday June 19 2008

Time: 8:28PM

Your Comments

Can I have a list of Arsenal players that would come under that category please?
Goofle
Can I have a list of Arsenal players that would come under that category please?
Goofle
Sure - just click onto Arsenal.com
Amos.
Sure - just click onto Arsenal.com
Amos.
So your saying Fabregas would qualify as a homegrown player right?
gunnerkid107
So your saying Fabregas would qualify as a homegrown player right?
gunnerkid107
Cesc, Senderos, Djorou, Bendtner. maybe even Clichy and possibly Vela (not sure on the last one, but we signed him 3 years ago! I think maybe Toure too!
navydave
Cesc, Senderos, Djorou, Bendtner. maybe even Clichy and possibly Vela (not sure on the last one, but we signed him 3 years ago! I think maybe Toure too!
navydave
I have read that somewhere that Cesc would qualify as home grown.
MrArsenal
I have read that somewhere that Cesc would qualify as home grown.
MrArsenal
Along with those mentioned above by next January Theo Walcott also qualifies as both 'home grown' and 'club trained'.
Amos.
Along with those mentioned above by next January Theo Walcott also qualifies as both 'home grown' and 'club trained'.
Amos.
Amos, this is great stuff. Clarifies a lot of mysths about us being the "team full of foreigners" eh? It may be true that the first team's still dominated by foreign players. But just below 21, we've got many home-grown or national talents. It's just a question of seeing how many of them come through. That's why a lot of us have been saying that we're in an okay position even if the new rules got implemented. Amos, can you also point me to this EU report please?
Lou the Gunneress
Amos, this is great stuff. Clarifies a lot of mysths about us being the "team full of foreigners" eh? It may be true that the first team's still dominated by foreign players. But just below 21, we've got many home-grown or national talents. It's just a question of seeing how many of them come through. That's why a lot of us have been saying that we're in an okay position even if the new rules got implemented. Amos, can you also point me to this EU report please?
Lou the Gunneress
Sure. I did try to get a link into the piece but couldn't get it to work. I need to seek advice from the experts! My summary is drawn from Part 1 of the study but you can download both parts of the complementarty study from: http://ec.europa.eu/sport/whatsup/
Amos.
Sure. I did try to get a link into the piece but couldn't get it to work. I need to seek advice from the experts! My summary is drawn from Part 1 of the study but you can download both parts of the complementarty study from: http://ec.europa.eu/sport/whatsup/
Amos.
Under the rules as they are currently drawn up provided you bring foreign players in by 18 then after 3 years they qualify as 'home grown' and 'club trained'. At some stage Uefa might hardened this rule as FIFA's 6+5 will never get past EU law. The home grown rule is due to be reassessed by the EU by 2012 to ensure that in practice it doesn't indirectly discriminate on the basis of nationality.
Amos.
Under the rules as they are currently drawn up provided you bring foreign players in by 18 then after 3 years they qualify as 'home grown' and 'club trained'. At some stage Uefa might hardened this rule as FIFA's 6+5 will never get past EU law. The home grown rule is due to be reassessed by the EU by 2012 to ensure that in practice it doesn't indirectly discriminate on the basis of nationality.
Amos.
It's a different concept. UEFA are essentially talking about bringing up players trained by the club themselves or by clubs in the same country. But the FIFA thing is all about players' passports really, yes? That one's a lot more complex in terms of EU employment law and free movement of labour. In principle it's potentially discrimination too but that's for another discussion, which I hope will die soon really.
Lou the Gunneress
It's a different concept. UEFA are essentially talking about bringing up players trained by the club themselves or by clubs in the same country. But the FIFA thing is all about players' passports really, yes? That one's a lot more complex in terms of EU employment law and free movement of labour. In principle it's potentially discrimination too but that's for another discussion, which I hope will die soon really.
Lou the Gunneress
So if I apply this "club-trained" rule, i.e. "trained/played for 3 years at the club between 15-21 years of age," by this Aug when the new season starts, in the first team we've got Cesc, Senderos, Song, Djourou, Clichy, Bendtner and Justin Hoyte. But Kolo isn't included as he joined us at 21. Next Jan we'll add Diaby, Theo (who's already "home-grown" having been trained by Southampton before within England anyway). In Aug 2009 we'll add Denilson, Traore, Randall. I'm just not sure about 2 things for now: (1) Even if some of our reserves/youth players joined us as pros in summer 2007, they've been trained by the club since very early ages. e.g. Although Gavin Hoyte, Gibbs, Dunne, at 18/19, are only 1 year into their pro contracts with the club, they've been around forever and have definitely served the 3 years from 15-18. They're still "club-trained" and thus "home-grown", yes? (2) How about those players who went on loan, do we count them as trained by the club? I'm asking cos the rule says the player has to be "played" by the club for 3 years. They're Arsenal players during their loan spells but are "played" by other clubs, so I'm not sure there.
Lou the Gunneress
So if I apply this "club-trained" rule, i.e. "trained/played for 3 years at the club between 15-21 years of age," by this Aug when the new season starts, in the first team we've got Cesc, Senderos, Song, Djourou, Clichy, Bendtner and Justin Hoyte. But Kolo isn't included as he joined us at 21. Next Jan we'll add Diaby, Theo (who's already "home-grown" having been trained by Southampton before within England anyway). In Aug 2009 we'll add Denilson, Traore, Randall. I'm just not sure about 2 things for now: (1) Even if some of our reserves/youth players joined us as pros in summer 2007, they've been trained by the club since very early ages. e.g. Although Gavin Hoyte, Gibbs, Dunne, at 18/19, are only 1 year into their pro contracts with the club, they've been around forever and have definitely served the 3 years from 15-18. They're still "club-trained" and thus "home-grown", yes? (2) How about those players who went on loan, do we count them as trained by the club? I'm asking cos the rule says the player has to be "played" by the club for 3 years. They're Arsenal players during their loan spells but are "played" by other clubs, so I'm not sure there.
Lou the Gunneress
Good article, by about the third statistic I just knew this had to be Amos. Informative stuff as usual.
Ozi Gooner
Good article, by about the third statistic I just knew this had to be Amos. Informative stuff as usual.
Ozi Gooner
Theo is home grown but not yet club trained. Remembering that of the 8 from 25 rule 4 need to be 'club trained' this is a useful extra distinction as Theo will qualify under this rule by next January.
Amos.
Theo is home grown but not yet club trained. Remembering that of the 8 from 25 rule 4 need to be 'club trained' this is a useful extra distinction as Theo will qualify under this rule by next January.
Amos.
Wow this is really interesting Amos. Thank you for such an informative article. So Arsene has been preparing for this 6+5 rule for a while. Another stroke of genius from Wenger that will assure this club success for a long time to come.
gunnerkid107
Wow this is really interesting Amos. Thank you for such an informative article. So Arsene has been preparing for this 6+5 rule for a while. Another stroke of genius from Wenger that will assure this club success for a long time to come.
gunnerkid107
I was miffed about Septic Bladders 6-5 plans but it may be the kick in the backside English clubs need to get their houses in order for the future of the National game, will it benifit England? I have no Idea.
col8
I was miffed about Septic Bladders 6-5 plans but it may be the kick in the backside English clubs need to get their houses in order for the future of the National game, will it benifit England? I have no Idea.
col8
This is no surprise, as its in sync with Arsenal's policy for the past 5 years. Clearly Wenger has been planning this in order to ensure Arsenal do not suffer. Good stats, Amos.
prits
This is no surprise, as its in sync with Arsenal's policy for the past 5 years. Clearly Wenger has been planning this in order to ensure Arsenal do not suffer. Good stats, Amos.
prits
Excellent article Amos, accurate and informative. "Lou the Gunneress" - you just did (but much better) what I'd been wanting to do for ages. Assuming 50% of the kids make it, we'll be sorted for a decade. Chelsea will have to sell 15 players
Englishman-in-NY
Excellent article Amos, accurate and informative. "Lou the Gunneress" - you just did (but much better) what I'd been wanting to do for ages. Assuming 50% of the kids make it, we'll be sorted for a decade. Chelsea will have to sell 15 players
Englishman-in-NY
Excellent article Amos - Yet you are preaching to the converted. We all know that we are in good stead, the people who really need to read these things are not interested in learning any information that contradicts their arguments. Still makes me feel smug though :)
Rocky7
Excellent article Amos - Yet you are preaching to the converted. We all know that we are in good stead, the people who really need to read these things are not interested in learning any information that contradicts their arguments. Still makes me feel smug though :)
Rocky7
I'm currently reading the full study report. Have anyone else read it?
entropy13
I'm currently reading the full study report. Have anyone else read it?
entropy13
define home grown?
Just-an-Ipswich-fan
define home grown?
Just-an-Ipswich-fan
Try reading the very first sentence.
Amos.
Try reading the very first sentence.
Amos.
 

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