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Cheers Spurs, You Just Paid For Aaron Ramsey

With David Bentley's move to Tottenham imminent, Arsenal are set to receive a rather large windfall.

If reports are correct, the Gunners had a 40% sell on clause written into the contract when selling David Bentley to Blackburn, and with Tottenham set to shell out a staggering £17 Million on the player, Arsene Wenger is about recoup a massive amount of cash.

Wenger is renowned for having such contracts put into place and has recently made good money from the transfers of Jermaine Pennant & Fabrice Muamba.

So if (and that could be a big if) the 40% figure is correct, I'd like to say a big thank you to Daniel Levy, Juande Ramos, and Tottenham football club as a whole for paying for Aaron Ramsey and possibly our Premier League Champions celebrations :P




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The Journalist

Writer: Rocky7 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday July 30 2008

Time: 1:51PM

Your Comments

Wahat? They didn't get mugged enougn paying for the other DB last summer? You've got to love Spurs, they just never tire of humiliation. Mind you, I suppose they did get a massive windfall from us for Sol Campbell, oh, wait a minute.................
Little Dutch
LOL!!! The amount that we should receive for Bentley is probably all he is actually worth!
MrArsenal
Mr Arsenal ...... LMAO!
Rocky7
I guess the massive transfer fee was Blackburn wanting to make at least a couple of quid out of the whole deal!!
Rocky7
Spuds are so dumb they think a player who has "Bent" in his name costs an additional 10 million pounds regardless of talent!
SUX2BU
lol @ bent comment
anonymous
I heard the spuds were looking to splash another 20m on Fray Bentos!!!
MrArsenal
What about a £50m bid for journeyman striker Marcus Bent? And why not employ David Brent to the coaching staff?
Little Dutch
Thanks for the cash Spuds. With Modric, that Mexican kid and now Bentley you are probably just one more signing away from *****ting your collective underpants and frazzled minds with desperate and clutching notions of how you are now 'really' going to 'do us', break into the Top 4, dominate the world etc etc. Another season of mirth is about to begin!
Andy-bayor
Very poorly written article the fee is 15 million. Maybe you should get a new article writer this is embarrassing.
Yido_Lee
Hehe great deal! Since they now need a striker (maybe 2), why not consider Jeremie Aliadiere and pay the sell-on money in one go.. :> If we're lucky, like Rocky said, imagine they're paying for our open-top bus parade in North London. Hahahahah now that'd be legendary!!
Lou the Gunneress
15m x 40% = 6m = still enough for Ramsey (5m) + celebrations. :)
Lou the Gunneress
How can you be excited about selling an England international for around 7 million. Its a bit of a no brainer really especially as Bentley as proven you wrong and made it. Now you have Ramsey that may not even make the grade. You shouldn't be so excited
Yido_Lee
Whats this England international crap. Bentley wasn't good enough to get into an England side which failed to qualify for the Euros!
MrArsenal
Mr Arsenal's comment no. 2 is priceless. All in all, this does make one wonder if Commoli is still working for AW in a subtle way. I wonder if he can cook lasagne? And does anyone know how many ex-Arsenal players with a sell-on clause are out there on the market now?
G4L
All I hope is when we knock you out the either cup comp or knock you off 4th spot you think to yourselves least we have 7 million to keep us going. 7 Million hahahahahahahahahahahaha for a England international maybe if you had English players in your teams you would know the real value of them. Ummmmm Maybe if Bentley was in the squad we would have done better. Food for thought hey gents
Yido_Lee
Maybe if we had English players the we too would finish 11th!! Engage brain before mouth please!!!!!!
MrArsenal
all i hope is you don't knock us out of champions league... oh wait...
G4L
and sp*rs is a big step forward for the ever-ambitious Bentley. Didn't Blackburn finish higher last year?
G4L
Maybe if you had English players you could be proud of your team. Maybe if you had English players that understood our game you would win something once again. A bit difficult for a foreigner to understand what the F A Cup is about. 3 years without a look in.
Yido_Lee
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA who cares about international or not? Actually Levy only paid 1m for david, the rest was for the bentley
afri-gooner
A BENTLEY FLYING SPUR!!!!
afri-gooner
obviously all English players at sp*rs have no clue what the FA Cup is all about. Maybe that's why they've never won it. But there is hope, they just figured out the value of the Carling Cup.
G4L
Whos betting that this one will be back to haunt you and by the end of the season there is something on you tube
Yido_Lee
English English English, what a load of *********. English players apart from Rooney, Ferdinand, Terry & Gerrard are overrated and none of them play for you lot!!!. Funny you should mention the Fa cup. In our last 3 finals Ljungberg, Pires and Vieira have all scored. So when did the so English spuds last win the FA cup then????
MrArsenal
Lee why don't you save your talking till Bentley actually does something for you guys? He didn't push Blackburn into proper Europe and now wants to try with Ramos and your team. That's just an unknown like Ramsey's future success. For England, that's a team proven to be inferior to Croatia and Russia, all fair and square. What's the fuss?
Lou the Gunneress
And why would anyone think a team that boasts an influential European Champion would even start to be jealous of an England international? lol That's really laughable.
Lou the Gunneress
Yido Lee you signed a half-decent winger... get over yourself okay, he's not exactly Marc Overmars.
Andy-bayor
Since when was joining the spuds deemed as "making it" exactly?
Kutch
Oh and that European Champion happened to be the reason for Bentley's departure - he thought he wouldn't get into the Arsenal first team, competing with someone like Cesc, or at least not as soon as he would have liked. Now we see why one's a European Champion, the other is a part-time England international. And also why he's available to you now. Things happen for a reason.
Lou the Gunneress
Oh yeah Overmars another player that saw the light which you sold
Yido_Lee
You keep talking about us only getting £7million for an England international, but that's just this time, what about the cash we got from him from Blackburn .... oh an btw, Ramsey is a Welsh international, so going by your logic, he has already "made it"
Rocky7
Bcos there's someone called Robert Pires lol, I can't believe you go back to that! I'm tempted to say Nasri/Vela to do a Pires on Hleb and improve on what we had last season. But I'll let them prove it instead of talking about it as if it's a "fact" like you guys always do. So time will tell. The only facts are that we don't have a place for someone like Bentley because he's no better than what we have, and that we're glad he's making money for us still. So what's there to take offence about? Chill! If you think it's a good deal for you, good on you.
Lou the Gunneress
Some reports say it's as high as 50% lol, it keeps getting better: http://youngguns.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/arsenal-to-pocket-50-of-bentley-to-tottenham-fee/
Lou the Gunneress
Overmars saw the light, yeah we really struck out on thast deal, netting a measley £20+ million for him and watching him strugglie at Barca for 18 months before we realised we had signed as his replacement one of the greatest players the premiership has ever seen and the architect of the 5-4 defeat at the lane Pires, for £6 million. God damn we really got shafted on that one eh guys and gals?
LondonGooner
Yeah and what did Pires ever win eh!!!!!!
MrArsenal
More in 4-5 years with Arsenal than Spuds have in the last 15-20 years! Now that really is tragic for a "big" club!
LondonGooner
these comments are pretty spectacular. as a Blackburn fan and an outsider to the London rivalry, i'm astonished that Spurs think they have any comebacks to whatever Arsenal have achieved. It's like us thinking that Man United are our closest rivals. anyhoo. to all those moronic Spurs fans leaving comments on here... 17million quid for Bentley is a joke. but woohoo! Joining a club that finished 11th (4 places below us!!) after you've stated you wanna move forwards is a JOKE! selling half of your players and buying a squad based on the Euro 2008 highlights on tv is a JOKE! now stop pretending that your team are going to break into the top 4 just because you have money to burn. Oh, and Bentley will never be an England regular until Beckham retires and he joins a REAL top 4 club which he isn't good enough to get into. Arsenal do NOT kick themselves over Bentley!! they sold a player who they are now getting 6mil back for who STILL wouldn't get in their team. simply because Wenger, like Ferguson has class and has an amazing team and squad at his disposal. Spurs Fans are like London's version of Liverpool fans. IDIOTS! good luck this season Arsenal, your team are a joy to watch.
RyanRover9495
RyanRover9495 - Bit of a gentleman i'd say!
LondonGooner
A dose of sanity from a neutral there. I'm still chuckling heehee..
Lou the Gunneress
Cheers Ryan!! You got a great price for a decent player with a massive ego!!!
Rocky7
Ha ha great comments Ryan. Wheres spuddo_Lee when you need her????
MrArsenal
just saying, Bentley was good at Ewood and we're the level he's realisticaly going to shine at (UEFA chasing) which is what we've been doing for the last 3 seasons. to be fair, Spurs are about as good as us and along with Villa we'll all be fighting to get into UEFA spots. but it's just this arrogance that theyre above that that gets to me. this silly idea that theyre above UEFA cup chasing just because they won the carling cup(that tournament your Bteam got to the semis in, knocking us out in extra time in the semis) and have money to spend. crazy, just crazy! and if Bentley had have said ''i want to join a team who is in the same boat as us but can pay me a lot more'' then i'd be ok but i truly think because hes a spurs fan, he has the same crazy ideas that they'll be breaking into the top 4 next season. Crazy, Just Crazy!! Villa, Everton and Man City under Mark Hughes may be inclined to argue.
RyanRover9495
quarters rather
RyanRover9495
I have the same sentiments Ryan. But don't you think Bentley and Spurs are a match made in heaven? They both think they're bigger than they actually are. Now you guys can realistically spend the money on someone who can do the job well minus the self-inflated ego. On the chasing pack, I think Pompey are in a good position too.
Lou the Gunneress
Hope this isn't THE signing!!! http://www.arsenal.com/index.asp
MrArsenal
yeah i agree with that. we'll see what happens anyways. i can see us struggling for the top half next season after losing King Brad and still failing to get that right back and holding midfielder we need. i can see Arsenal back in the top 3 but i don't see any league winner except United. . i'm gonna say just beneath a UEFA spot for Spurs. Villa, City and Everton will get UEFA. i'll look forward to the visit of Arsenal in September.
RyanRover9495
Bischoff runs through the middle and kicks Bentley in the face!
Tom14
GOOOOOO BISCHOFFF!!!!!! http://www.arsenal.com/player.asp?thisNav=reserves+and+youth&plid=86339&clid=4421&cpid=703
Tom14
So the spuddies have to send us a check! Great comments from Ryan, esp. his amazement at Spuds coming on an Arsenal board and winding us up. Any gooner who goes on a MU board to wind them up deserves the same treatment the spuds get here (tho at least Arsenal actually have seriously challenged and at times defeated the mancs, whereas the spuds....) . Ryan, I hope your club uses the money well--you guys did some good business there.
jaelle
And am I the only one who thinks maybe, just maybe, Bentley's like football's Prince Charles, where his predecessor (the other DB) is still occupying the RM throne like an evergreen oldie, and his heir apparent (Theo) is becoming more and more popular? And people talked about the possibility of giving the crown straight to William so Charles has been salivating for years and is still stuck in between.. heehee..
Lou the Gunneress
Lou I like that analogy!
LondonGooner
Was Prince Charles a rabid gambler too Lou? :-)
Andy-bayor
Bentley is waiting for the old man to retire but he just won't and is still pretty popular! The young one is developing so well and much more likeable as a character too, hehe so you never know. If Theo usurps that RW place in England, I'd laugh even more!! :D
Lou the Gunneress
If Theo transfers some of last seasons form into this season, that place will be his. At least when Theo gets called up he can be bothered to go!!!
MrArsenal
Another analogy for you: a certain player left us to try and get into a certain national squad who was also hailed as a great team before the Euros only to get humiliated, crashing out of the group stage, with the same number of points as Austria, Switzerland and Poland. This guy left us, played some games and joined the national team as he wished. But to his disbelief, he was kept on the bench by an oldie called Makelele and another young player called Toulalan got to play ahead of him. Again, stuck and still waiting. Maybe there's a pattern and lesson to be learn there? ;)
Lou the Gunneress
Out of the three teams he played last season, only portsmouth won something.
k_chelski
ryanrover9495. what a little a r s e licker. its your club giving away the 40% to the charity case. mrarsenal english players overrated. does that include wallcott?
dspurs64
Most English players i said, and that includes Bentley!!!
MrArsenal
Theo was overrated when Eriksson took him to Germany. He's underrated when Wenger played Eboue ahead of him. He's pretty fairly rated now.
Lou the Gunneress
Amazing how bitter and twisted Blackburn fans are for losing Bentley and worse by replacing him with Pennant hahahahah and even worse losing Hughes and replacing him with Ince FFS it's going to be a relegation battle. Has for Arsenal fans you are bitter because you are failing, You are bitter because you have no money. Everybody knows you will soon be 3rd biggest club in London it will be Spammers for you next.
Yido_Lee
3rd biggest club in London eh? That would be quite a drop considering we ARE the biggest right now. The no money myth is wearing thin now especially when Wenger has said he has money to spend but feels we don't need to.
MrArsenal
mrarsenal. no you did,nt. english players apart from rooney ferdinand terry gerrard are overrated.you,ve just named the 4most overrated players in prem along with lampard.
dspurs64
And that from a person who's team is about to buy David Bentley!!! LOL!!!
MrArsenal
hehe arse licker and bitter and twisted?? haha tottenham fans on this board are like fat sweaty hos on jerry springer telling everyone theyre just jealous!! now, rather than going around telling everyone how good you are GOING to be, consider where you ARE now. you finished 4 places below Blackburn last season and are now about to spend 17mil on Bentley (thats more than Blackburn paid for McCarthy, Santa Cruz, Bentley, Pedersen, Nelsen, Warnock and Samba all put together) and you finished 4 places below us!!!! the fact that you're not thinking 'something is very wrong here' is one thing, but youre on an arsenal fansite telling them how theyll soon be the 3rd biggest team in London, realise that based on the league, West Ham finished above you too. that makes you 4th in London. deary deary me. Blackburn fans aren't bitter about Bentley, we've wanted to see the back of him for some time now. We're realists at Ewood, we know we're doing amazing when we're competing for UEFA cup season after season. we know that anything above that is just unrealistic and makes us look a laughing stock when we inevitably fail. maybe Spurs fans should just admit that they're a top 7 or 8 team at best and that Arsenal play the best football and are the most globally respected team from London. grow up Spurs fans, Open your eyes and realise you're Average! i think Blackburn and Arsenal an consider both parties well done, we're both about to make a fair bit of cash on Tottenham's stupidity. you could have got joaquin for less than that you morons!!! good day xx
RyanRover9495
mrarsenal. lets get back2u saying most english players i said. you did,nt did you your telling porkies i think.
dspurs64
ha ha i don't have to explain myself to a spud!!!!!
MrArsenal
mrarsenal should that not read masterarsenal. you stupid little boy!!!!!
dspurs64
Mr Arsenal yo do if you are coming out with crap like you are the biggest team in London Stop being so bloody silly. Ryan come back after 15 games in fact come back to Vital Spurs and let us know how you are doing and whether the future is bright for you Rovers.
Yido_Lee
ha ha little boy, from a little spuddie ha ha ha. As for spudo_Lee who if not AFC are the buggest then, and please don't say 3 times champions the chavs!!!!!
MrArsenal
i rest my case?????
dspurs64
Theres only one team in London girls you know that. I rest my case!!!
MrArsenal
hey Arshavin To Spurs. Just saw his agent on skysports. That was hilarious. His tone since the euros has changed. Then he was saying 'Arsha is a barca fan'. Soon after 'Arsha loves Arsenal style of play'. The 20 mil deals have failed to materialise and now he knos Spurs have money to burn he says 'Arsha loves Juande Ramos team'. That becomes prostitution.
Gael-Force
Of course he loves the spuds, they are the only ones stupid enough to pay 18/19m for him and 100k a week!!!
MrArsenal
I have a whole lot more sympathy for the Arsenal fans on here since the events of the last few weeks. Since the whole Berbatov-to-United thing happened, we have been getting daily visits from the likes of dspurs64, yido-lee and the like. How do you put up with their constant drivel? At least when the season starts and we have Berbatov in our team they may leave us alone but you are stuck with them. I hate to say it but it makes Citeh fans look liek members of MENSA when you reasd some of the tripe written by the spuds. I have found that unliek most club rivalries, they have actually convinced themselves that they are better than they are, instead of just doing it to wind you up. They genuinly belive they will get in the top-4 this season. Its a case of Liverpool-itus...."Next year is gonna be OUR year!". :)
united4life
RyanRovers - "selling half of your players and buying a squad based on the Euro 2008 highlights on tv is a JOKE!" - hahaha, good one.
united4life
U4L we get used to deluded spuds coming on here. Spuddo_Lee posts on here more than me, and i support Arsenal!!!! Sadly they have no friends and no life other than to go on to forums of teams who have actually won the Premier League - and we can even include Ryans Rovers in that, and blurt out how they will be in the top 4 and telling Man U fans they ripped you off over Carrick, you know the same Carrick who won the CL!!!!! LOL. They might well finish above us, but sadly it won't be in their lifetime!!!
MrArsenal
LOL U4L, join the club (not literally eh)! Seriously it's the quality of writing and most of the comments that outweighs their boring stuff here. Not just untelligent (as you agreed), but downright boring and repetitive. They also don't see the fact that other fans are capable of funny and even intelligent banter and most of them aren't. And they're thick enough to keep coming back despite embarrassing themselves and sometimes their club. Oh well, it's part of being Gooners so like MrA said we're kind of used to it.
Lou the Gunneress
Interestingly the only player that we bought who played at the Euros was Modric, RyanRovers, and many thought he had a strong tournament. If the Spurs management were watching the Euros highlight real they were clearly not playing that much attention to it. Bentley has been a consistent performer in the Premiership for the last 3 seasons and adds an addtional element to the squad which has been lacking, particularly in the area of dead ball opportunities. The cries of reject are quite amusing - didn't the Manchester United reject David Platt play for Arsenal? didn't the AC Milan reject who couldn't get in their first team Patrick Vieria turn into a decent player? - it may be claimed that Bentley left because he wasn't good enough, but it can be equally claimed that many managers rated him and he didn't think he would get an opportunity to under Wenger so moved to ensure that his career didn't stagnate. And he has proven to be correct.
kernowboy71
Kernowboy71, it's nice to see some thought put into a Spurs fan's post, with great readability too, so your point is well taken. For me the "reject" thing is not the point. My only point is that he's no 17m player. Like I said, we're just happy that we're still making money from him and amused that it's from you guys. I actually think Spurs or Blackburn would be about right for him. So you got a player right for you (even if expensive), he got a club right for him, Blackburn apparently are happy with the money they got, we got our cut. Good deal for everyone. Exactly why I find it amusing to see someone saw the need to come and defensively argue how great he is when nobody is jealous of anybody else.
Lou the Gunneress
Lou, I actually think that Bentley has come on in leaps and bounds over the last couple of seasons particularly in his consistency. In today's market he is not overpriced. He is young enough to play a good 5 years and have very strong resale value as the market continues to go. After all, we have just sold a 28 year old for a profit of £13.3m after 6 years of good service. I think that we can probably expect to recoup at least 80% of the Bentley fee in 5 years time if we choose to sell if not make a profit. After all you have paid a reported £14m for Nasri who is unproven in the Premiership. Yes, he's put in some decent displays but most will argue that La Ligue is a weaker league than the Premiership. Bentley must therefore be considered a less risky investment. If the current progression of UEFA/FIFA actions continue, there is the possibility that the EU might give sport an employment law exception and therefore his value has greater importance not only for Spurs but also for potential resale values. The jingoism is amusing however. Personally I do think that Ramsey will be by far the best addition to your squad of the three players listed on the right.
kernowboy71
KB71 - I think you'll find that most sensible Gooners are aware of the fact that Wenger wanted to keep Bentley, but DB was not prepared to wait, instead insisting to be played infront of the likes of Bergkamp and Pires, which lets face it, in 2004 was never ever gunna happen. I think you've got a good player on your hands, however his ego is huge and should you fail to get him some Champions League football then he'll be off like **** off a stick. Asuming he performs to the levels he can.
Rocky7
I actually think Spurs have signed some good players this season, good clearance with the likes Chimbonda to Sunderland too. (Did those include Huddlestone btw? But Malbranque yes?) The only thing I'm not sure about is - with the likes of Woodgate and Bale having only half a season under their belts - how you integrate so many new players into the team, although individually yes they're good and right for Spurs. Not sure about their commitment though: people like Giovani, Modric, Bentley - and Arshavin now? - aren't the type who'd be patient with UEFA Cup football. Too many of those people in one team I personally think. That, KB even if you don't see much financial risk, is another kind of "risk" as we've seen all too much this season.
Lou the Gunneress
I find it amusing that you have a Blackburn fan calling Spurs a “UEFA CUP chasing” side, epically as we have qualified for the tournament for the last 3 seasons running … that would be like saying Arsenal are a Champions League chasing side … how can you be considered to be chasing for entry in a Cup competition you consistently qualify for? Also, to say the position we are in now is 11th four places below Blackburn is ridiculous seen as last season is over and done with, our current position is therefore neutral. Also making jokes that we have sold half of our team is equally foolish as we have sold the players who last season proved that they were not good enough to fulfil the ambitions of the club, Keane included. We have strengthened our squad considerably, bringing players of actual class, players capable of playing for top four teams. In Ramos I believe we have one of the best managers in the division, only bettered by Wenger and Ferguson IMO. He brings in players that can do the job he allocates to them; Bently, while not being a ‘star’ is player of good technical ability who can do the simple things well … regardless of our performance last season I believe we are a much better team then the likes of Blackburn, we play more attractive football, have more capable players and a world class manager. I fully expect us to finish well above Blackburn this coming season … lol a Blackburn team who has just purchased and made ‘first team’ one of the main culprits behind our disastrous league position last season. I’m not here to say we will finish above Arsenal or that they should be jealous of us signing Bently, that would be foolish, … however I do believe that we are now a team who can mount a serious challenge for a top four position, and playing Spurs will no longer be a ‘3pts in the bank’ match. On the other hand I expect Blackburn to fall away this season, they are a club with neither the funds or ambition to be anything other then a mid table side … but who cares about Blackburn anyway???
OnlyOneHotspur
lol I meant especially not epically*****
OnlyOneHotspur
ramos the best manager in the league except for Ferguson and Wenger? based on what? helping your team climb a few places up the bottom half of the table in 7 months and winning the league cup. do they have internet access at the loony bin? i was actually thinking 'fair enough' at some of your comments before i read that bit. CRACKERS!! and also, Blackburn have secured UEFA spots for 2 seasons, missing out on a third by one point and no less than 3 teams who finished below us got a place for various other reasons and i'd still say we were UEFA chasing. U4l couldnt be more spot on. Tottenam have liverpool-itis and from up North we send down our sympathy to Arsenal fans for having to listen to such utter *****e!!
RyanRover9495
Lou, because Spurs are listed on AIM, they have to publically declare any significant sale or purchase that will impact upon the assets of the business. Therefore Levy is not allowed to work under financial risky practices. And ultimately if there was a short term problem it is unlikely that the 14th richest man in Britain would allow the principal asset in the Tavistock Group incur the sort of reputation that would lower its value. The price for Bentley is £15m, with an additional £2m based on appearances. Chimbonda, Tainio and Malbranque have gone to Sunderland, whilst Huddlestone has been retained because he has made signficant strides in improving his mobility and general fitness. It is possibly one of the reasons why we have not bought a defensive midfielder and certain Capello is on record as being impressed with Huddlestone's passing ability from over long range. Whilst I do admire Blackburn Ryan, and think your appointment of a young black English manager deserves to be rewarded with some success, I think a motivation for players is also to play in front of packed stadiums. Spurs play to 99.7% of the stadium's capacity, whilst unfortunately Ewood Park is often anything up to a third empty based on official statistics.
kernowboy71
All Scum sound the same!! Getting erections over 7mil! woopdey ******** doo! Aaron ramsey will not win you the premier league, neither will Nasri, niether will any of your players. Your leadership is failing, with the sulking scum still tipped to be captain! Bloody hell Ar5ena1, doing good aint you! getting nowhere in any competitions last season! Chelsea get alot of stick about finishing runners up in the CC, CL, and PL but Arsenal couldnt even make it past the semi's of the CL and CC! I know Spurs only won 1 trophy, but every season we dont go around stating we will win the league or champions league!
Yiddo Benj
Thanks god for our more intelligent visitors! On Ramos, I think you need to wait and see... there's no denying that he is capable and adds something over his predecessor(s) but wasn't he known in Spain as a 'Cup manager' rather than a challenger for titles? You'll have to wait and see how he performs in the Prem. Bentley was more consistent and gave Blackburn good options and creativity last season, so it's likely he can replicate that, unless of course he finds something to offend his large ego! All this spending is great but it's not a guarantee of anything, so spurs fans can be optimistic but dont forget that this is **** or bust for you and your manager... what are you going to do if this doesn't work out? I mean after backing Jol and now Ramos with wheelbarrows of cash you must surely expect a return... but what if you don't push the Top4? Ramos might be going straight into last chance saloon, and anything less than 5th or 6th will be unacceptable. Anyway, Blackburn deserve some respect for backing a manager unproven in the Premiership and just for that I wish them luck. If I was a supporter though I would be a bit nervous that Ince is casting his eyes on players that appear on the face of it to be too low down in the leagues. I have a feeling Blackburn may struggle during Ince's first year.
Andy-bayor
KB71 again your points are well presented and well taken. I just saw on SSN that Spurs have a net spending of only 7-8m or something after the sales - thanks mainly to 2 Keanes I suppose. That's really good considering the improvement you guys are bringing in on paper. The issue however remains that it's extremely difficult to have 7-8 changes in a 22/23-man squad - on top of the couple of players changed in January. It's an aggressive overall that Ramos is working on and that's why I think it'd be a pretty tall order to fuifl the usual ambitions of breaking into the top 4 etc when you're going through a rebuilding project which in a lot of cases takes 2-3 years, not just one summer buying spree/clearance. Also to do that you need the players to really commit to the cause. I know we have to look no further than Flamini and Hleb. What I think is that your balancing act is even harder bcos anyone with a bit of reputation and history in Europe could easily lure the "star" players away by offering CL and money, especially when they aren't best known for commitment. To be honest I really don't care enough to follow how well Bentley will do for Spurs. At the time we had no choice but to let him go - he wanted first team football and in no way could Arsene have picked him ahead of Bergkamp, Ljungberg and Pires. Those who waited behind that world-class midfield, Cesc and Flamini, have got their patience paid off big time, one way or another. If the boy has now found his "true love", good luck to him. Nobody would even hate him if he didn't show disrespect for the club that brought him up as a player. But that I don't care enough to debate either. So I'll rest my case now - conclusion for me is: good deal for everyone.
Lou the Gunneress
I completely agree Andy-bayor. Having now invested £65m+ in players, I think the Tottenham board will absolutely expect a Champions League place or a win in the FACup or UEFA Cup. Whilst the real outlay after sales will be less than £25m it will still raise expectations but I expect a 4-2-3-1 formation with Bent thriving in his favourite single role upfront supported by the interchangeable Bentley, Modric and DoSantos with Lennon as a super sub. According to reports Tomas Pekhart is ready to step up having made an outstanding start to his Czech U21 career building on his success at the FIFA U-20 Championship. A name to watch. I think Ince will do well and may mine a nice vein of talent in the lower leagues with players who have developed late and not previously been given a real opportunity.
kernowboy71
Amazing deal if true.
storagematt
I think that you will find that the “sell on clause” is based on 20% of the PROFIT that Blackburn will make from the deal – if Blackburn paid £3 million for him (was that the right figure?) then the initial profit is £12 million which realises a payment to you of £2.4 million – if the full consideration of £17 million is reached then you receive an extra £400,000 – my calculator makes that a total of £2.8 million – a nice bit of change. It still does not change the point that we are actually giving you money (which is a source of amusement and if the tables were turned then be sure we would be gloating too) but let’s get it into context.
GilzeanIsKing
GIK thanks for the clarification. So it may not be so much as funding Aaron Ramsey, but Carlos Vela (reportedly 2.5m) then. lol Thank you guys all the same, it's a good deal for everyone involved.
Lou the Gunneress
Yiddo Benj - Yes we only ever made it to the semis of the champs league but spurs have never made it to the champs league at all. We claim we will win the league because its a possibility - up until march last season very few people would have betted against it. Spurs are the team that make outrageous claims - like finishing 4th, something they never looked like doing at any point last season. You've just lost one of your best players and will shortly lose your others so i dont know what you're getting excited about. Bentley is an average player and will fit nicely into your bottom half of the table team
gooner303
and we never even got to the semis of the champs league so you couldnt even get that right!
gooner303
17 million for Darren Bent. Need we say more. pennant was simply not good enough for Arsenal. Early the summer bentley said he wanted to leave to play Champions league football. I guess nobody was interested. Maybe Spurs can buy Pennant next. We would probably get a portion of that fee to:) And, pennant, like Bent and Bentley is a England international for what that is worth!
obomba
Typical of you lot excited over a few sheckles. The Credit Crunch is definatly having an impact here isnt it. Perhaps if your no doubt brilliant but stuborn manager would spend a few more of them you may have a chance of winning the league. What team goes from going unbeaten in a season to then totally dismantling it in the space of 2 seasons. All for Wenger to massage his ego and show his talent for bringing in young unknowns. Cosmic. At least weve got the balls to have a bash. If I was a Gooner I would be sucked off at your lack of ambition this pre season because your more likely to finish 5th than 1st thats for sure.
gatch75
the thing with pennant was he had a bad attitude (a bit like bentley). Wenger got sick of him turning up for training late and repeatedly getting done for drunk driving. Bentleys gambling problems are well known and his arrogance is disproportionate with his talent. When you're playing in a team that includes Bergkamp & Pires then its hardly surprising that you dont get a game. If you also include Cashley Cole then its little wonder that Wenger doesnt have much time for english players and their chavvy ways. Walcott however has an excellent attitude and is proving that with enough talent an englishman can play for Arsenal.
gooner303
Gathc75 - Then it's a good job you're not a Gooner! Maybe he dismantled the team because it had peaked....? As for finishing 5th, only if we start with a 20 point deduction will that happen. You're a spud aren't you? Well that would explain the undertone of resentment and bitterness you're post had.......!
LondonGooner
LOL,typical of you paupers getting excited over a few quid,ANOTHER trophy-less season for you lot and i'm afraid it's bye bye Cesc.
HATEtheGOONERS
"Yes, he's put in some decent displays but most will argue that La Ligue is a weaker league than the Premiership" -- First off, Nasri didn't play in Spain, he played in FRANCE! Secondly, you spent quite a lot money on Dos Santos and Modric, two players from "weaker" leagues. (Never heard La Liga called "weaker" than the PL -- slower, yes, not "weaker." La Liga is in fact one of the world's STRONGEST leagues with the biggest names in world football). Finally, the consensus on Modric at the Euros was NOT that he had a great tournament at all. The consensus was that his performance was in fact, mixed, and that he didn't have much of an opportunity to show what he can do. Bentley is not a player any world class club would go after. He's fine for mid-level clubs, that's all. Nothing to be envious about at all.
jaelle
the poor old woolich lot....i can understand why your getting so excited over afew mil...as wenger said, your new stadium has left you in alot of debt, hence why your signings so far consist of the sub who got subbed at the euros....a welsh toddler.....and a lad who couldnt make the starting line up most of the season at bremen!....quality! LOL
lillywhites101
Jaelle - La Ligue or Ligue 1 is the FRENCH LEAGUE. I thought supporters of a team who shop so much in France know that the translation of league into French is Ligue and into Spanish is Liga. I think there was a clear impression that Modric had a good Euro2008 - he made the team of the tournament for a number of pundits, whilst Nasri got on the pitch for a total of 10 mins. Dos Santos cost less than Ramsey and played for the Barcelona first team 28 times last season. If you learn to translate properly you'll understand I never said that LA LIGA was a weaker league - I said La Ligue (ie The French league) was.
kernowboy71
obomba, as has to been said before, Bent did not cost Spurs £17m. Because Spurs is a PLC, listed on AIM, every single change in assets over a certain amount has to be fully announced in public. It has been officially stated, as Spurs have done by law, that if Bent meets all of the playing conditions then Spurs will eventually pay a final maximum amount of £16.5m. These extra conditions will be based on appearances, final position of Spurs in the Premiership and similar clauses. The actual facts have to be published under the law, they are not too difficult to find. And by the way, Jermaine Pennant has never been capped at full international level by England. He was only ever capped at U21 level. You can easily check the FA website to find that out.
kernowboy71
Jaelle, just for you here is the EURO 2008 Team of the Tournament as voted for by UEFA's Technical Team - please note the inclusion of LUKA MODRIC - http://www.euro2008.uefa.com/news/kind=1/newsid=729372.html
kernowboy71
I stand corrected kernowboy71, I read your post too quickly. But you can't get away with inventing some new label for Ligue 1 and talking as if it's something recognizable. I follow Ligue 1 very closely and lived in France for 2 years, and attended many football matches there (I follow Lyon, Valenciennes, St. Etienne, Bordeaux, Marseille & PSG in particular). I've never heard their first division referred to as "La Ligue" in or outside France, that's your own invention. Modric didn't make the team of the tournament for FIFA, nor any pundits I read but we'll agree to disagree on that. I never claimed Nasri had a good tournament, of course he didn't, his manager made a mess of things for his whole team! But Dos Santos and Modric are just as "unproven" in the PL as Nasri, so I don't know why you think they're superior buys. Also, Nasri has been on the radar of all of Europe's top clubs for 3-4 years now, he's one of France's triumvirate of most talented young players that are getting loads of attention (the others being Benzema and Ben Arfa), far far more attention than Modric ever did. Nasri won France's Best Young Player award in 2007 and has won a number of youth cup titles. He's been a first team player for Marseille for some time now and was instrumental in bringing Marseille to a 3rd place finish last season.
jaelle
Again, kernowboy71, I stand corrected on FIFA's team of the tournament.
jaelle
BTW, I really like Dos Santos and was very surprised to that Barca was willing to sell him so cheaply. Maybe they know something I don't.
jaelle
dos santos had less than 12 months left on his contract at barca, and was a young player trying to break into the 1st team on a regular basis, no easy feat at barca hence why we got him for 8.7 mil or so
lillywhites101
Yes, it is £4.7m maybe rising to a maximum of £8.6m based on appearances with a 20% sell on clause for Barcelona if he moves on within 24months and 10% there after.
kernowboy71
Which is ironic considering the spuddies always say we wasted £17 million for Reyes and £12 million for Walcott, when in truth we only paid £7 million for Reyes and £5 million for Walcott. I think most transfers involving young players now are structured like that. The French league has never been called La Ligue, thats fiction. As for bentley, he's just a rat faced **** in desperate need of a slap to bring him down a peg or 2!
LondonGooner
When Henry left..many people said that would ruin Arsenal..Its the same with Keane. 1 player never makes up a squad. Last season we had a good chance ON PAPER to finish fourth, but alas, we didnt, this season its the same, on paper, its looks like we will, in reality? we'll see..
Yiddo Benj
On Paper you can finish 5th as the "big" four have better squads and players than the spuds, as it stands currently!
LondonGooner
Andy-bayor i totally agree with you , we have spent loads an expect a good season im sure ramos wil be givin time, also u said pressure on ramos o deliver, what a bout ur own manager wenger on winnin something if ye win nothing this season what happens then?
123spurs
I guess Darren Bent won't end up costing Spurs 16.5M after all, if (meaningful) cups and league position play an important part in the add-ins. Then again Charlton probably knew this and aimed low anyway "+2M if you finish above 17th", "+1M if you don't get knocked out by a Conference side by the 6th round of the Mickey Mouse Cup", etc etc.. It's always good to have a laugh at the misguided reprobates from the slammer called WHL, but I must admit they have done a decent job of clearing out some really dead wood and replacing it with some useful players. Modric (like Arshavin) were saying how they were only interested in Barca/Madrid or Milan(s)/Juve - only to end up eating humble pie when the 'big clubs' didn't take them (why would Chelsea go for 30y/o Deco over 27y/o Arshavin? - must be a reason eh Spuds?) Dos Santos is a troubled child, unruly and a troublemaker, so he should fit in amongst the other ASBO-rich denizens of N17. That said I can see what Ramos is trying to do, trying to emulate Wenger's creative front line. Imitation is the best form of flattery after all. So the game is on, let's see if Dos Santos 8.6M (Vela, 2.5M), Bentley 17M (Nasri, 11M), Modric 16M (Cesc, free), Bent 17M (Adebeyor, 3M) - so 42M more all in all - and are really (and ironically) the poor man's Arsenal. Not that your lot are 'bad players', I think Modric will do well in the Prem if he isn't bullied. Bentley might get a few decent goals and assists. Dos Santos won't set the world alight (but watch Vela go!) And even then, Bendtner will be 10x the player Adebeyor could ever dream of being. You've lost your best player (Keane) and are about to lose your next best (when the mood takes him, the cherry blossoms are in bloom, the planets are in alignment, the tide is out etc etc). But the one player you've bought - that I think will make a big difference, and the only one I think could have made it into the Arsenal 1st team is your new GK - Gomes. He's excellent. Then again - it would take a great manager to meld all these new players together in time for the new season. Time will tell if Ramos is your man, or you need to wait another 9 years to beat our youth team.
Englishman-in-NY
nice posy english man with alll ur talk what did arse win in last 3 years with those players u mentioned eh nothing, why will vela take the prem an santos wont, an bent is bangin them in at mo, we cashed in on keane as he wont suit our new style an system we will be playin, u shude be more worried about an unknown french guy 11 = risk vela unknown to prem, some german guy on a free...no back up at back an average keeper in almumia, im sure with all of ye knockin us down spending money unlike ye there a bit of envy it might come back to haunt ye
123spurs
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123spurs
Well I'm glad you paid attention in primary school. Your spelling and grammar are truly a tribute to your roots. If you look really closely, and read between the lines just a smidgen, you might notice that I agree regarding the GK situation at Arsenal. Almunia is a good solid keeper - he saves what you expect him to save but concedes when you expect him to as well, no more and no less. I have to disagree regarding Keane, he is a very good player and would have linked well with Modric I suspect. His head was turned by a big 4 club and he waved bye bye. Bischoff is a gamble, Wenger openly admitted as much. Oh - I'm not knocking you for spending money, I'm knocking you for wasting it. J/K. I'm saying that you are paying well over the odds for inferior quality (lets see how our unprovens compare against yours at the end of the season). You're crowing about how much your newly assembled team cost and slating us for not spending as much. Money doesn't always buy quality (see any Chelsea right back in colour TV history). And do you _really_ want to get into a masochistic conversation comparing our respective trophy cabinets? Incidentally shall we look at an albeit somewhat biased look at Wenger's budget buys: Anelka, Vieira, Overmars, Pires (you like him), Clichy, Petit (*thanks for the cab fare Mr Sugar), Sol Campbell (crappy free transfer, won more League titles at WHL (for Arsenal) than ANYONE in your squad for what 50years or so?, scored a goal in the ECL final). Am looking forward to Bentley's debut in a North London derby even more than he is :)
Englishman-in-NY
good points i admit but what about yer last 3 seasons for a so called top 4 team yer jus like liverpool miles behind chelsea an man u .....an i no what ur gonna say next.....wher are spurs....true but domt make comments that might come back to haunt you...bently will be great for us an top4 jus wait n see
123spurs
123spurs says "dont make comments that may come back to haunt you" Then come out with a real purler "Bently will be great for us an top4 jus wait n see" Kettle calling pot Kettle calling pot.
col8
123 is a****
MrArsenal
mrA that was to be expected from you, its like u sayin to a man u fans that arsenal are gonna win the league
123spurs
If Fergie and Wenger had the same 11 players, Wenger would make them into the better players, there in no question. But Fergie is the better manager because he knows his faults is open to change and isnt afraid to spend the dough and put his knob on the block. Wenger uses his lack of finance (his choice not your boards) like a little Get out of Jail free card. Its his little excuse he can call on as when required. A bit like O Leary with his tripe about "Theyre just babies" And this has always been the case not just since the stadium. It makes Wenger protected from the press. Your invincible team may indeed of peaked but no manager in his right mind would demolish and start from scratch in 18 months. Giggs, Neville and Scholes are by no means at their peak but Fergie has rebuilt United gradually with them having an impact still. Winger would of sold them when they were 29 to make maximum profit. If I was a Goon I would genuinely be sucked off at what is a shocking lack of ambition. How can you go from almost winning the title, loosing Flamini and Hleb and buying a couple of pomising players and a quality player in Nasri.You never see players wanting to leave the Scousers who Gerrard and Torres apart are distinctly average. Your Gaffer is the dogs nads no question but stubborn isnt the word.
gatch75
 

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