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Liverpool 4 Arsenal 4

Games at Anfield always have a special feel to them. There is a palpable mutual respect between the two clubs that engenders this rivalry; the matches are usually of a good vintage too. Last night was no exception. We departed the hot, dry North London sunshine and headed North into a balmy Merseyside evening. It was notable in the pre match warm up that Lukasz Fabianski and Vito Mannone were testing the run of the ball on the plush Anfield surface. Fabianski is a keeper that likes to commit himself and whilst this sweeper role has paid dividends on the bowls green turf at the Grove, he has found himself wanting on the stickier, stodgier pitches at Wigan and the laughable surface at Wembley. It`s a good demonstration of awareness from our young keeper as Mannone continually kicked long balls at him along the floor and invited him to come rushing out for them. Pre match also contained a touching tribute to a legend of both clubs, Ray Kennedy, in order to raise awareness of his Ray of Hope charity which aims to fund research for combating Parkinson`s Disease. The Kop End and the Anfield Road End were given cards to hold up, the Kop spelling out a striking number 5 mosaic. Having been underneath the cards in the away section, I actually do not know what they spelled out, but I`m imagining it was a number 10?

The game got underway with Liverpool in much more dire need of points than Arsenal, but with the Gunners looking to shake off the cobwebs of a stinging F.A. Cup Semi Final defeat to Chelsea. The home side were quicker out of the traps, the Gunners backline immediately trembled in the presence of Torres, when he was allowed to squeeze his way between Toure and Sagna, who stood off him like starry eyed teenage girls at a Westlife gig and allowed him to get a low shot in on goal after three minutes which was well held by Fabianski. The young keeper, who attracted his fair share of criticism on Saturday, was soon called into action again. Kuyt, who was filling the Steven Gerrard role in the first half, played a clever reverse ball to the ever busy Benayoun, but Fabianski rushed out to his feet in Wilson-esque style to block, he then smothered Arbeloa`s follow up. The young Pole was again on the receiving end of the plaudits from the away enclosure when he smartly tipped Torres` first time shot over the bar, a fantastic reflex stop and already examples of his mental strength as well as his agility were coming to the fore. It took the Gunners around half an hour to create their first opportunity of note; Bendtner played a neat ball to the overlapping Gibbs, his cross was only half cleared by Agger, the ball fell invitingly to Fabregas who could only screw his volley wide. Agger`s poor clearance would set the standard for a string of awful, awful defensive clearances that lead to a good majority of the goals. Agger`s header at the other end from a Benayoun corner was more convincing as it looked destined for the top corner until Samir Nasri headed it off the line. Arsenal were holding onto the cliff edge by their fingernails.

So it was with no little surprise that the away side took the lead against the run of play. The usually tenacious Mascherano was dispossessed by Fabregas on the edge of the area, Nasri took the ball into his stride before playing a cute ball to Fabregas on the by-line and the young Spaniard was the picture of sangfroid when he looked up and picked out Andrey Arshavin who lashed the ball in off the underside of the bar. It was Arshavin`s first contribution of note other than to leave his left back Kieran Gibbs woefully exposed as Arbeloa and Benayoun doubled up on him time and again. As the Wigan game showed, Arshavin appears to have that touch of class meaning he can assume the role of passenger for large segments of a game before producing a moment of class. Liverpool were angered by the perceived injustice as Fabianski was again forced into a commanding save from Benayoun on his near post. Benayoun created more problems for us last night than I think Steven Gerrard ever has. We somehow survived to disembark to the dressing rooms a goal ahead at half time as Ray Kennedy came onto the pitch to be met with a rapturous applause.

Arsenal would have known what to expect at the beginning of the second half, it was important to baton down the hatches for the first ten minutes of the half at least. However, without the calming presence of Gallas, the Gunners produced a second half defensive display that my work football team would have been embarrassed by. Within two minutes of the restart, roared on by the Kop, Liverpool restored parity. Kuyt swapped over to the right with Benayoun drifting central, Kuyt`s cross from the right was too deep, yet Sagna appallingly miscued and fired the ball straight back at the Golden retriever, he put in a better cross this time, Silvestre and Toure did not think marking the league`s most lethal marksman in the penalty area was a job worth doing and Torres guided a header into Fabianski`s bottom corner. We were well and truly pinned back into our own area as the Alamo ensued with the Reds overpowering us convincingly. Silvestre played his 1,309th under hit back pass of the evening, causing Fabianski to rush his clearance to Gibbs, who was bullied out of possession by Dirk Kuyt. His cross found its way to the back post where Yossi Benayoun was on hand to squeeze the ball just over the line. A goal he richly deserved on the night and the expectation in the Anfield Road End was that a thorough shoeing was imminent, through a combination of Liverpool`s lively triumvirate of attacking Adonis`s and the Gunners powder puff backline who managed to put in about as much resistance as Danielle Lloyd does to Premiership footballers. But amidst the gloom a chink of light flickered our hopes once more, as Andrey Arshavin dispossessed Arbeloa, who seemed to be auditioning for a transfer to Arsenal after refusing to simply conduct a simple clearance, Arshavin wrested the ball under his control and positively walloped it past Reina and into the far corner. For the second time of the evening, Arsenal had their get out of hail free card in the size and shape of a diminutive Soviet power house.

That get out of jail free card soon morphed into a "dig a frigging great tunnel under your cell and sneak out of this Liverpuddlian bastille laughing like a maniac with yer cock in your hand" card when Walcott`s cross saw a continuation in the theme of worst defensive clearances ever, Aurelio could only stab the ball as far as Arshavin who calmly collected himself and stabbed the ball past Reina to give Arsenal an improbable lead. However, the Gunners were intent in showing everyone what dunderheads they can be in the cranial department by expressly repeating two of last season`s mistakes in this ill fated Champions League fixture. As Liverpool took the kick off, incredibly, no Arsenal player bar Fabianski was in position as they were all busy having a cosy chat. The end result was, just like last year, Liverpool quashed our advantage instantly and, just like last year, an Arsenal centre back thought it a decent idea to give Torres ample room in the box to collect Riera`s pass, turn, rearrange his alice band and spank the ball low past Fabianski. Evidently, Arsenal is a fleet of talented footballers, but most of the players have brains the size of a gnat`s sphincter. Having already been scarred for life by the horrendous 4-4 draw with Spurs in October you`d have thought our lot would have learnt, apparently not. How many times do you stick your balls into a toaster before you realise it`s not a very good idea?

Liverpool needed to win or bust and the game opened up as a result. The Gunners were largely pinned back onto the edge of their own area, but cleverly deployed Walcott as a lone striker to feast ravenously on the ocean of space Liverpool had left in search of glory. Torres once again found himself unmarked in the penalty area from a Riera corner, but Gibbs was on hand to smuggle his header off the line. Tune in next week as Arsenal`s centre halves arrive at the Cannibals` convention stripped naked and garnished in horseradish. Yet amazingly, with Liverpool increasingly desperate for a winner, it looked as though Arsenal were to emerge victorious again. Fabregas found a modicum of space on the edge of the area and released Forest Gump himself to try and produce his own carbon copy of Anfield in April 2008, but this time he had only one defender to circumnavigate with Liverpool overcommitted. Arshavin achieved the notable feat of catching Walcott up high up the pitch, Walcott duly made the pass and Arshavin had the time and space to control and rifle the ball past Reina the precise moment the clock struck 90. It was the archetypal smash and grab, surely even Arsenal with their mono brain celled defence could hold on for injury time to record a famous victory. Apparently not, as the fourth official indicated a baffling five minutes injury time, the home side needed less than half of that to once again feed on our ever increasing stupidity. Kuyt humped a hopeful cross into the box which Fabianski came for and did not deal with and Benayoun hooked the ball into an unguarded net. Thank Christ this lot weren`t in defence in 1989, we`d have gone 4-2 down after Mickey Thomas` goal otherwise. We were past despair at this point and instead the feeling was of exasperation as the game and the defending had long since passed the checkpoint of ridiculous. Wenger was manifestly frustrated as he came out of his technical area to boot the ball away in disgust, it hit Arbeloa quite accidentally. Coward Webb tried to make a big deal out of it until he was talked out of it by Jamie Carragher.

Though we were ultimately very fortunate to come away with a draw, my prevailing feeling was one of immense disappointment and of fear for the season ahead. To clarify, Arsenal have to go to Old Trafford next week with that back four and without Andrey Arshavin. If we defend even a tenth as badly as that, then the Second Leg might as well be called off now. Ferdinand and Vidic are not going to give us that many attempts at their goal and, even so, the only Arsenal player who looked like scoring- and ultimately did score- cannot play. We simply have to wise up and very quickly, our complete inability to close out games has hampered us for the last three years and this team shows little to no interest in correcting their naivety. In the last two games combined, we have assumed the lead a total of four times and come out with nothing. This is our second 4-4 draw this season and the third time we have succumbed to last ditch equalisers. Teams with our aspirations simply cannot afford to show such cranial density in games such as these otherwise we will always be perennial bridesmaids. The wiliness of Gallas was certainly amiss, but he also played in the 4-4 draw with Spurs, as did Almunia and Clichy- and both made horrendous mistakes in that game. This is a collective problem in our squad and it is not fair to simply lay it at Silvestre`s door or Fabianski`s or anyone else`s. The problem precedes all of the individuals that played last night bar Kolo (and I would not blame him solely either). When Chelsea took the lead on Saturday, they had the nous to keep the ball, to draw the fouls in midfield and see the game out. I`m not quite sure how many times this harsh lesson is going to be dished out to us before we start engaging our brains and stop this dog with two dicks impression, but given that it was brutally handed to us at this very venue 12 months ago, I wouldn`t count on them learning anytime soon. The positives were the displays of Nasri, whose defensive work put most of our back four to shame, as well as the obvious four goal haul of Arshavin. How must he feel this morning having been had his thunder stolen on four separate occasions by the stupidity of his colleagues further back? We have the talent to defeat United over two legs, unfortunately, I rather doubt we have the brains.LD.




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Date:Wednesday April 22 2009

Time: 12:23PM

Your Comments

When we scored to make it 4-3 i was overjoyed but gutted i didnt go. When they equalised i was dissapointed we had conceeded but relieved i had not gone up. A catalogue of errors makes for a classic game it seems.
paul_ownz
When we scored to make it 4-3 i was overjoyed but gutted i didnt go. When they equalised i was dissapointed we had conceeded but relieved i had not gone up. A catalogue of errors makes for a classic game it seems.
paul_ownz
"Arbeloa, who seemed to be auditioning for a transfer to Arsenal" Dear lord please NOOOOOOOOO! Imagine Arbeloa AND Sylvestre in the same back line?? This is acoaching and management issue as they have repeatedly found themselves int his position yet it hasn't been dealt with. Management should of addressed this issue before, if the players continue not to respond they need to be dropped.....or shot. Which ever is easiest is fine by me.
LondonGooner
"Arbeloa, who seemed to be auditioning for a transfer to Arsenal" Dear lord please NOOOOOOOOO! Imagine Arbeloa AND Sylvestre in the same back line?? This is acoaching and management issue as they have repeatedly found themselves int his position yet it hasn't been dealt with. Management should of addressed this issue before, if the players continue not to respond they need to be dropped.....or shot. Which ever is easiest is fine by me.
LondonGooner
I'm still finding it hard to forgive Wenger for his team selection against Chelsea...i almost didnt watch the Lillypool game...at the end the saturday game was more important. I just wish every other attacker would take a page from Arshavin and learn how to score goal...too bad we are stuck with this defense..Silvestre will cost us goals.
number14
I'm still finding it hard to forgive Wenger for his team selection against Chelsea...i almost didnt watch the Lillypool game...at the end the saturday game was more important. I just wish every other attacker would take a page from Arshavin and learn how to score goal...too bad we are stuck with this defense..Silvestre will cost us goals.
number14
LOL..as much as I hate reading anything Palmer writes I am hooked on him...talk about acid-tongued...that dude has shreded Wenger to bits. Watching the game last last all i could think of was - Palmer is going to have a field day with this one...I asked a question some time ago - do u guys reckon Wenger/Arsenal reads any blogs?I don't think our opinions gets thru to him at all...
number14
Wasn't too impressed with Fabianski last nite. He refused to catch any crosses and doesn't seem to communicate with his defence well. Denilson also had a shocker, I lost count of how many times Cesc got caught in possession. Nasri was immense in the first half and Arshavin must have had golden boots, surely he and eduardo can teach bendtner a thing or two about how to finish. But after such an insane game you can't do much but be amused.
MeetTheGunners
LOL..as much as I hate reading anything Palmer writes I am hooked on him...talk about acid-tongued...that dude has shreded Wenger to bits. Watching the game last last all i could think of was - Palmer is going to have a field day with this one...I asked a question some time ago - do u guys reckon Wenger/Arsenal reads any blogs?I don't think our opinions gets thru to him at all...
number14
Wasn't too impressed with Fabianski last nite. He refused to catch any crosses and doesn't seem to communicate with his defence well. Denilson also had a shocker, I lost count of how many times Cesc got caught in possession. Nasri was immense in the first half and Arshavin must have had golden boots, surely he and eduardo can teach bendtner a thing or two about how to finish. But after such an insane game you can't do much but be amused.
MeetTheGunners
I didn't see much wrong with Bendtner's finish last night which should have stood. I very much doubt Arsene reads any blogs and I sure hope he doesn't. My prevailing thoughts from sitting amongst Arsenal fans all season is that 96% of them know absolutely sod all about football and prefer to pay their money just to berate Bendtner for no reason, or Denilson for no reason, or whoever they are told to berate. Does it occur to people that maybe we could have been seeing the kind of form Song is producing now about two years ago had we not chosen to shoot his confidence to pieces by booing him on his Premiership debut? Myles Palmer is a ***** and to be ignored at all costs.
Little Dutch
I didn't see much wrong with Bendtner's finish last night which should have stood. I very much doubt Arsene reads any blogs and I sure hope he doesn't. My prevailing thoughts from sitting amongst Arsenal fans all season is that 96% of them know absolutely sod all about football and prefer to pay their money just to berate Bendtner for no reason, or Denilson for no reason, or whoever they are told to berate. Does it occur to people that maybe we could have been seeing the kind of form Song is producing now about two years ago had we not chosen to shoot his confidence to pieces by booing him on his Premiership debut? Myles Palmer is a ***** and to be ignored at all costs.
Little Dutch
Well I wouldnt mind him reading a bit of what we have to say..my view on Wenger is that he is to isolated in his position - he has first and final say in the team and i think its a bit unfair on him...not that he should draw too many conclusions from what we have to say here anyways. If memory serves that point has been touched by you (LD) not too long ago. On the Denilson issue..i think he is a future star..and have said it consistently but imagine for a moment that we had Alonso playing in his position this season...I think we have way too many young players developing a the same time..anyhow I wont labour the point - its been made.
number14
Well I wouldnt mind him reading a bit of what we have to say..my view on Wenger is that he is to isolated in his position - he has first and final say in the team and i think its a bit unfair on him...not that he should draw too many conclusions from what we have to say here anyways. If memory serves that point has been touched by you (LD) not too long ago. On the Denilson issue..i think he is a future star..and have said it consistently but imagine for a moment that we had Alonso playing in his position this season...I think we have way too many young players developing a the same time..anyhow I wont labour the point - its been made.
number14
Myles is a big plonker - but once in a while he has a valid point...i try to listen to everyone..I have my own opinions anyways
number14
Myles is a big plonker - but once in a while he has a valid point...i try to listen to everyone..I have my own opinions anyways
number14
I'm much happier with the match today. Let's face it, our defnece is missing two massive players (leaving us with one completely inadquate one) and one player coming back from illness, yet we managed a 4-4 draw at Anfield. Just saying that stuff out loud makes me laugh.
Rocky7
I'm much happier with the match today. Let's face it, our defnece is missing two massive players (leaving us with one completely inadquate one) and one player coming back from illness, yet we managed a 4-4 draw at Anfield. Just saying that stuff out loud makes me laugh.
Rocky7
If you played last night's game on Championship Manager it'd be one of the games i'd dismiss as 'pah, that's completely unrealistic...'
shewore
If you played last night's game on Championship Manager it'd be one of the games i'd dismiss as 'pah, that's completely unrealistic...'
shewore
Lol - It is a CM game isn't it. Arshavin shoots ... gooooalllll, Arshavin shoots ... goooooallll, Arshavin shoots ... gooooallll, Arshavin shoots ... gooooalllll! Fulltime 4-4.
Rocky7
Lol - It is a CM game isn't it. Arshavin shoots ... gooooalllll, Arshavin shoots ... goooooallll, Arshavin shoots ... gooooallll, Arshavin shoots ... gooooalllll! Fulltime 4-4.
Rocky7
Just don't expect Arshavin to do this everygame..this may just wake up Ade/RVP from their slumber.
number14
Just don't expect Arshavin to do this everygame..this may just wake up Ade/RVP from their slumber.
number14
Seriously number14? I just put a tenner on at William Hill that he was gunna bag four against Boro on Sunday. Damn.
Rocky7
Seriously number14? I just put a tenner on at William Hill that he was gunna bag four against Boro on Sunday. Damn.
Rocky7
OK Rocky..i get your point..you didnt have to rub my face in it. but hey..its only a tenner..take a risk, u never know..lol
number14
OK Rocky..i get your point..you didnt have to rub my face in it. but hey..its only a tenner..take a risk, u never know..lol
number14
number14 Of course he has the first and final say in the team, how else should it be run, by committee? As for Saturday's game who is to say that the outcome would have been any different if AA had played? In all fearness he, by his own admission, was fearly quiet in the game last night a part from his goals which tree were handed to him by a Liverpool team hellbent on self destruction. His finishing is excellent though and I cant wait until next season when we will see the best of him. As for Palmer, he blows hot and cold, he is to quick to critizise and to quick to applaud. Our problem last night came from a woeful defense, the same defense more or less that lost us the game on Saturday, Silvestre will never in a million years be a Arsenal class player, we need to buy at least two good defenders in the summer an we will have us a very very good squad, one well capable of challenging for silverware next season.
Armory
number14 Of course he has the first and final say in the team, how else should it be run, by committee? As for Saturday's game who is to say that the outcome would have been any different if AA had played? In all fearness he, by his own admission, was fearly quiet in the game last night a part from his goals which tree were handed to him by a Liverpool team hellbent on self destruction. His finishing is excellent though and I cant wait until next season when we will see the best of him. As for Palmer, he blows hot and cold, he is to quick to critizise and to quick to applaud. Our problem last night came from a woeful defense, the same defense more or less that lost us the game on Saturday, Silvestre will never in a million years be a Arsenal class player, we need to buy at least two good defenders in the summer an we will have us a very very good squad, one well capable of challenging for silverware next season.
Armory
Armoury, Chelsea have been shipping goals just like Liverpool have, so Arshavin (and Song & Nasri) could've pounced on Saturday like he did last night. Anyway, excellent write-up LD, esp. the part about the mutual respect from both sets of supporters and your last paragraph referring to our persistently brainless defense. Comedy stuff. Terrified to think of what will happen at OT. Almunia will be back, but that's not much comfort. Silvestre was excellent at the Grove against Villareal--but that was at home against a slower team. He simply can't handle the high tempo of the English game anymore. Nasri has been talking recently in the French press about how hard he's worked to improve his defensive game, saying he wouldn't mind trying out a DM role. Some of our players really need to take him as an example. Of all our players this season, Denilson has played the most games and his fatigue is starting to show.
jaelle
Armoury, Chelsea have been shipping goals just like Liverpool have, so Arshavin (and Song & Nasri) could've pounced on Saturday like he did last night. Anyway, excellent write-up LD, esp. the part about the mutual respect from both sets of supporters and your last paragraph referring to our persistently brainless defense. Comedy stuff. Terrified to think of what will happen at OT. Almunia will be back, but that's not much comfort. Silvestre was excellent at the Grove against Villareal--but that was at home against a slower team. He simply can't handle the high tempo of the English game anymore. Nasri has been talking recently in the French press about how hard he's worked to improve his defensive game, saying he wouldn't mind trying out a DM role. Some of our players really need to take him as an example. Of all our players this season, Denilson has played the most games and his fatigue is starting to show.
jaelle
I would appreciate a more competent (can't think of a "softer" word) second than Pat Rice...Fergie has almost always had good assistants - at least 3have gone on to manage their own teams. Rafa has Big Sam-mini me..who has tried his hand at being his own man. I dont think it would diminish from Wengers authority/capability..but I don't think Rice is strong enough of mildly oppose le boss at crunch time...can u imagin Rice handing the team 4-5 games like a few other assitant coaches hv?
number14
A defender like Hangeland whou wouldnt require any time to adapt to the Premierleague and who could shout and command the box would be very helpful, maybe even a Lescott. But I think those 2 might cost a little too much, but hey if we won't sign many this summer as I suspect, does it matter if most of it goes on one player who while being over priced, may make all the difference?
LondonGooner
I would appreciate a more competent (can't think of a "softer" word) second than Pat Rice...Fergie has almost always had good assistants - at least 3have gone on to manage their own teams. Rafa has Big Sam-mini me..who has tried his hand at being his own man. I dont think it would diminish from Wengers authority/capability..but I don't think Rice is strong enough of mildly oppose le boss at crunch time...can u imagin Rice handing the team 4-5 games like a few other assitant coaches hv?
number14
A defender like Hangeland whou wouldnt require any time to adapt to the Premierleague and who could shout and command the box would be very helpful, maybe even a Lescott. But I think those 2 might cost a little too much, but hey if we won't sign many this summer as I suspect, does it matter if most of it goes on one player who while being over priced, may make all the difference?
LondonGooner
Also, those 6 minutes of extra time??? Hello??? Stuff like that makes me believe conspiracy theories like the one offered on arseblogger's comment thread last night. They were saying sky needs Liverpool to at least draw in order to keep the title race open enuf so that audiences keep watching (and paying).
jaelle
Also, those 6 minutes of extra time??? Hello??? Stuff like that makes me believe conspiracy theories like the one offered on arseblogger's comment thread last night. They were saying sky needs Liverpool to at least draw in order to keep the title race open enuf so that audiences keep watching (and paying).
jaelle
jaelle the only one out of those three that I would definitely have played would have been Song, Chelsea may be leaking goals but they are a different animal compared to Liverpool, Nasri had a slight dip in form and IMO Arshavin is not fully adjusted to the PL.
Armory
jaelle the only one out of those three that I would definitely have played would have been Song, Chelsea may be leaking goals but they are a different animal compared to Liverpool, Nasri had a slight dip in form and IMO Arshavin is not fully adjusted to the PL.
Armory
Anyone agree that Nasri could play with Fabregas? Or is that just wishful thinking.
Tom14
LD, I think you're missing the point here, mate. Yes the defence was shambolic, but of the countless attacks they had to deal with, due to Liverpool's incredibly energetic - all hopes laid on - display, only four goals were conceeded. Liverpool had precisely 6 attacks to deal with; four were goals; one was a wrongly disallowed goal; and one was a rightly disallowed goal. That's pretty much 100% useless defence, whereas our defence was about 23% useless. My tongue is in my cheek, by the way, but it's an interesting way of seeing it. But yeah, our defence seemed a bit, er, panic-stricken. Gibbs was always going to be targeted, Sagna didn't look fit to me, and Sylvestre is a poor man's Gallas. I also thought Denilson looked way off the game. But I thought Nasri, Song, Bendtner, and Fabianski all had pretty decent games, considering the Tempo at which Liverpool harried the game. I can't see even Man-U being that frantic in attack, though I suppose it's possible. Arshavin's goals were fairy-tale stuff, and yeah, it must be gutting for him that they didn't result in a win.
ChaosTeaCup
Just to light a fire here - the 2nd goal wasn't a result of an underhit pass from Silvestre. If you look at it from an angle other than from behind the ball he played the ball back to Fabianski inch perfectly and with a weight that allowed Fabianski the time to decide to pick out Gibbs rather than hoof it up field. He had enough time for either option so composed was the backpass from Silvestre. Fab fizzed it at Gibbs who brought it under control well enough and under pressure tried to hoof it down the line. Unfortunately our left side was so empty that even if he had got more height and distance it was still likely to find a 'pool shirt rather than one of ours. If Gibbs had had any half decent support down that side he might not have had to hoof it in the first place. Ergo we are apportioning blame for conceding the goal in the wrong direction - but probably a more popular one.
Amos.
Anyone agree that Nasri could play with Fabregas? Or is that just wishful thinking.
Tom14
LD, I think you're missing the point here, mate. Yes the defence was shambolic, but of the countless attacks they had to deal with, due to Liverpool's incredibly energetic - all hopes laid on - display, only four goals were conceeded. Liverpool had precisely 6 attacks to deal with; four were goals; one was a wrongly disallowed goal; and one was a rightly disallowed goal. That's pretty much 100% useless defence, whereas our defence was about 23% useless. My tongue is in my cheek, by the way, but it's an interesting way of seeing it. But yeah, our defence seemed a bit, er, panic-stricken. Gibbs was always going to be targeted, Sagna didn't look fit to me, and Sylvestre is a poor man's Gallas. I also thought Denilson looked way off the game. But I thought Nasri, Song, Bendtner, and Fabianski all had pretty decent games, considering the Tempo at which Liverpool harried the game. I can't see even Man-U being that frantic in attack, though I suppose it's possible. Arshavin's goals were fairy-tale stuff, and yeah, it must be gutting for him that they didn't result in a win.
ChaosTeaCup
Just to light a fire here - the 2nd goal wasn't a result of an underhit pass from Silvestre. If you look at it from an angle other than from behind the ball he played the ball back to Fabianski inch perfectly and with a weight that allowed Fabianski the time to decide to pick out Gibbs rather than hoof it up field. He had enough time for either option so composed was the backpass from Silvestre. Fab fizzed it at Gibbs who brought it under control well enough and under pressure tried to hoof it down the line. Unfortunately our left side was so empty that even if he had got more height and distance it was still likely to find a 'pool shirt rather than one of ours. If Gibbs had had any half decent support down that side he might not have had to hoof it in the first place. Ergo we are apportioning blame for conceding the goal in the wrong direction - but probably a more popular one.
Amos.
LG Hangeland would be perfect for Arsenal IMO, and so would Lescott, we need a defender that will shout, harass and organize the defense or simply bully his team to defend properly. As for Pat Rice he has been with the club for zillion years and knows it inside out and also the players, maybe he need's changing but I don't think we can lay any blame at his feet, this team is a work in progress and a new assistant would not change much.
Armory
LG Hangeland would be perfect for Arsenal IMO, and so would Lescott, we need a defender that will shout, harass and organize the defense or simply bully his team to defend properly. As for Pat Rice he has been with the club for zillion years and knows it inside out and also the players, maybe he need's changing but I don't think we can lay any blame at his feet, this team is a work in progress and a new assistant would not change much.
Armory
I'll have to take your word for that one Amos, I was at the other end and maybe my view was coloured by the fact that Silvestre underhit four or five backpasses prior to and after that, he just didn't seem to appreciate Torres' tenacity in chasing them down nor Fabianski's damaged confidence since Saturday. My abiding impression was though that it was a lackadaisical backpass. I thought Toure was equally as bad as Silvestre really and Arshavin has to play more centrally if you ask me, not only because he's more devastating there, but also because he doesn't offer much protection for his full back. But the thought of Ronaldo/ Rooney/ Berbatov ganging up on Silvestre has to frighten anyone. My criticism for Silvestre revolves largely around how he does not look like an experienced player, he appears to panic and doesn't offer much guidance to younger players like Gibbs in the way Gallas does. Silvestre at Burnley was possibly the worst display from an Arsenal player this season in the circumstances. I like to think now that people have seen being dry humped by Torres and Drogba was not the sole preserve of Philippe Senderos, as most Gooners would try and have you believe.
Little Dutch
I'll have to take your word for that one Amos, I was at the other end and maybe my view was coloured by the fact that Silvestre underhit four or five backpasses prior to and after that, he just didn't seem to appreciate Torres' tenacity in chasing them down nor Fabianski's damaged confidence since Saturday. My abiding impression was though that it was a lackadaisical backpass. I thought Toure was equally as bad as Silvestre really and Arshavin has to play more centrally if you ask me, not only because he's more devastating there, but also because he doesn't offer much protection for his full back. But the thought of Ronaldo/ Rooney/ Berbatov ganging up on Silvestre has to frighten anyone. My criticism for Silvestre revolves largely around how he does not look like an experienced player, he appears to panic and doesn't offer much guidance to younger players like Gibbs in the way Gallas does. Silvestre at Burnley was possibly the worst display from an Arsenal player this season in the circumstances. I like to think now that people have seen being dry humped by Torres and Drogba was not the sole preserve of Philippe Senderos, as most Gooners would try and have you believe.
Little Dutch
Been saying we should sign Hangeland for a while now, what a signing he is for Hodgson. We got exactly what should be expected of Denilson last night, he lets the quick, big games pass him by, Amos, the back pass was to Fabianski's weaker left foot, no? That'd have an effect as well. All in all i think last night's performance was the worst since Stoke away?!
shewore
Been saying we should sign Hangeland for a while now, what a signing he is for Hodgson. We got exactly what should be expected of Denilson last night, he lets the quick, big games pass him by, Amos, the back pass was to Fabianski's weaker left foot, no? That'd have an effect as well. All in all i think last night's performance was the worst since Stoke away?!
shewore
Armoury: "Nasri had a slight dip in form" -- so has Denilson, Diaby's form is patchy, Cesc is not yet at his best, but they were out there against Chelsea. "and IMO Arshavin is not fully adjusted to the PL." -- The guy's scored in almost every game and created several assists, he was fully rested, has adapted very well very quickly...so you leave him out of a crucial semifinal and put in RVP out of position instead, where he struggled all game long to make an impact. I've read lots of excuses for excluding those 3 players on Saturday and they all sound incredibly weak, contrived after-the-fact rationalizations that simply don't wash.
jaelle
Armoury: "Nasri had a slight dip in form" -- so has Denilson, Diaby's form is patchy, Cesc is not yet at his best, but they were out there against Chelsea. "and IMO Arshavin is not fully adjusted to the PL." -- The guy's scored in almost every game and created several assists, he was fully rested, has adapted very well very quickly...so you leave him out of a crucial semifinal and put in RVP out of position instead, where he struggled all game long to make an impact. I've read lots of excuses for excluding those 3 players on Saturday and they all sound incredibly weak, contrived after-the-fact rationalizations that simply don't wash.
jaelle
*right foot
shewore
*right foot
shewore
I think that a CB will be coming in during the summer... Senderos is sure to leave, and unfortunately I believe Gallas will be too. I think Djourou is a fine player, but we'll need to have someone else other than Silvestre and 3rd choice CB next year... And LD, Torres and Drogba can't be handled by any CB's, if you heard anyone say that was a Senderos-specific problem, then they are a truly hateful person.
TPowell
I think that a CB will be coming in during the summer... Senderos is sure to leave, and unfortunately I believe Gallas will be too. I think Djourou is a fine player, but we'll need to have someone else other than Silvestre and 3rd choice CB next year... And LD, Torres and Drogba can't be handled by any CB's, if you heard anyone say that was a Senderos-specific problem, then they are a truly hateful person.
TPowell
Fabianski could have played the pass with either foot so well weighted was the backpass. He chose to play it with his right - is that his weaker foot? Are you sure it's 'fact' that he underhit 4 or 5 backpasses prior to the 2nd goal LD? I don't see the panic in Silvestre - if he has a problem in my eyes it's that he looks a little too laid back at times. He certainly isn't the quickest around the pitch. Hangelaand is just this years favourite in the same way that Ricards and Dunne were last seasons pick. There is little guarantee that he would be able to play as well in the less defensive set up we have. Gallas would be my clear preference too maybe Djourou would even get the nod but as a second choice back up there aren't that many better than Silvestre.
Amos.
Fabianski could have played the pass with either foot so well weighted was the backpass. He chose to play it with his right - is that his weaker foot? Are you sure it's 'fact' that he underhit 4 or 5 backpasses prior to the 2nd goal LD? I don't see the panic in Silvestre - if he has a problem in my eyes it's that he looks a little too laid back at times. He certainly isn't the quickest around the pitch. Hangelaand is just this years favourite in the same way that Ricards and Dunne were last seasons pick. There is little guarantee that he would be able to play as well in the less defensive set up we have. Gallas would be my clear preference too maybe Djourou would even get the nod but as a second choice back up there aren't that many better than Silvestre.
Amos.
Silvestre does have some decent positional sense when the game is being played slowly. But the second the pace becomes frenetic and he either has to a) turn and run back towards his own goal or b) the ball goes above his head, he looks like a rabbit in the headlights. His distribution is also none too clever at times, often playing other players into trouble. I watched him do it countless times last night to Gibbs and Fabianski, who are raw as it is and don't need their most experienced colleague making it more difficult and nervy for them. Silvestre absolutely definitely underhit three backapsses in the first half because they all happened about fifteen yards from my face. There was one questionable one where Fabianski probably should have come for it, but Silvestre's header back was bafflinflgy weak and did not have enough juice to make it, having been stung badly coming out of his area on Saturday, you can see he was hardly going to be keen to rush out with Torres closing in. He had a young keeper with shot confidence behind him and Silvestre looked almost to be deliberately goading him at times, an example of the complete lack of brains deployed by our backline. But as I said, to solely blame Silvestre misses the point, the problem is a group one and one that proceeds his arrival at this club. I was astonished that following our second and third goals all of our players were stood on the edge of the centre circle chatting when they should have been in position.
Little Dutch
Silvestre does have some decent positional sense when the game is being played slowly. But the second the pace becomes frenetic and he either has to a) turn and run back towards his own goal or b) the ball goes above his head, he looks like a rabbit in the headlights. His distribution is also none too clever at times, often playing other players into trouble. I watched him do it countless times last night to Gibbs and Fabianski, who are raw as it is and don't need their most experienced colleague making it more difficult and nervy for them. Silvestre absolutely definitely underhit three backapsses in the first half because they all happened about fifteen yards from my face. There was one questionable one where Fabianski probably should have come for it, but Silvestre's header back was bafflinflgy weak and did not have enough juice to make it, having been stung badly coming out of his area on Saturday, you can see he was hardly going to be keen to rush out with Torres closing in. He had a young keeper with shot confidence behind him and Silvestre looked almost to be deliberately goading him at times, an example of the complete lack of brains deployed by our backline. But as I said, to solely blame Silvestre misses the point, the problem is a group one and one that proceeds his arrival at this club. I was astonished that following our second and third goals all of our players were stood on the edge of the centre circle chatting when they should have been in position.
Little Dutch
I dont think there is anything you can say about Silvestre that will make me think he is good enough for Arsenal. He panics because he is too laid back. He waits 4 seconds then suddenly realises he has no time left and thrashes at the ball. I really would rate him the worst CB i remember at Arsenal. Worst than Senderos & Cygan. Infact Senderos is like Baresi in comparison to Silvestre. It will be no suprise if we are eliminated from the CL down to his mistakes.
paul_ownz
I dont think there is anything you can say about Silvestre that will make me think he is good enough for Arsenal. He panics because he is too laid back. He waits 4 seconds then suddenly realises he has no time left and thrashes at the ball. I really would rate him the worst CB i remember at Arsenal. Worst than Senderos & Cygan. Infact Senderos is like Baresi in comparison to Silvestre. It will be no suprise if we are eliminated from the CL down to his mistakes.
paul_ownz
I think Silvestres back pass only left Fab with the option to do what he did, anything else would have had the danger of canonning of the Mickey and into the back of the net.
Rocky7
I think Silvestres back pass only left Fab with the option to do what he did, anything else would have had the danger of canonning of the Mickey and into the back of the net.
Rocky7
According to the stats Silvestres distribution was the best of all the defenders by some distance. Again the stats can be misleading but apparently he made 5 passes to Fabianski in the game - 2 in the first half and 3 in the 2nd - all deemed successful. Silvestre isn't first choice and wouldn't play if Gallas were fir and might not even play if Djourou were. How good therefore would our back up to those two be?
Amos.
According to the stats Silvestres distribution was the best of all the defenders by some distance. Again the stats can be misleading but apparently he made 5 passes to Fabianski in the game - 2 in the first half and 3 in the 2nd - all deemed successful. Silvestre isn't first choice and wouldn't play if Gallas were fir and might not even play if Djourou were. How good therefore would our back up to those two be?
Amos.
To be fair LD, i think before Gallas & Clichy had got inujured we had been pretty tight in defense. In 2009 up to Villareal away we had 11 clean sheets, conceded 7 goals in 18 games, never conceding more than 1. Its no coincidence to me that we have conceded 7 in 4 since Silvestre & Gibbs have been in the team.
paul_ownz
To be fair LD, i think before Gallas & Clichy had got inujured we had been pretty tight in defense. In 2009 up to Villareal away we had 11 clean sheets, conceded 7 goals in 18 games, never conceding more than 1. Its no coincidence to me that we have conceded 7 in 4 since Silvestre & Gibbs have been in the team.
paul_ownz
Is there any justification whatsoever as to why somebody should concede goal in the fashion that Arsenal did for Torres's second and Benayoun's last gasp poke? That too in such a high profile match-up? Sagna was pretty much awful, and callous all night. Arsene should fine him some percentage of the match-fees. Fabregas didn't show his true colours either.
Tambling
Is there any justification whatsoever as to why somebody should concede goal in the fashion that Arsenal did for Torres's second and Benayoun's last gasp poke? That too in such a high profile match-up? Sagna was pretty much awful, and callous all night. Arsene should fine him some percentage of the match-fees. Fabregas didn't show his true colours either.
Tambling
Jesus don't let distribution stats warp his performance, anyone can pass it 5 yards (apparently).
shewore
Jesus don't let distribution stats warp his performance, anyone can pass it 5 yards (apparently).
shewore
I fully agree those stats are misleading, most of those passes would have been deemed 'successful' but not without some considerable effort by the receipient, few were decent passes. But like I say, Silvestre was by no means the only culprit. Sagna and Toure's refusal to, you know, get the ball clear was just as culpable. I'll give Banger the benefit of the doubt because it's incredibly out of character for him and he has been carrying a virus. The point about fourth choice centre halves is a good one, United recently played Neville at CB against Villa and he stunk the place out and Liverpool have been playing their first choice centre halves and they've let in eight in two games. What is frustrating is more the collective here. Fabregas did not show enough leadership to keep the troops together, neither did Toure, Gibbs was not supported at all, neither was Fabianski. The only players I really think put in a shift in which they did their full share of work, offensive and defensive, were Nasri, Bendtner and Song. You can't chastise a player that scored four goals really, but Arshavin offered Gibbs little protection, which was a theme in the Wigan game too until AW moved him upfront. That said, I wouldn't be too disappointed to see us experiment a bit on Sunday and try Sagna at centre half with Eboue right back. The manager has lamented the lack of choice he has back there right now but that is an option that is open to him.
Little Dutch
I fully agree those stats are misleading, most of those passes would have been deemed 'successful' but not without some considerable effort by the receipient, few were decent passes. But like I say, Silvestre was by no means the only culprit. Sagna and Toure's refusal to, you know, get the ball clear was just as culpable. I'll give Banger the benefit of the doubt because it's incredibly out of character for him and he has been carrying a virus. The point about fourth choice centre halves is a good one, United recently played Neville at CB against Villa and he stunk the place out and Liverpool have been playing their first choice centre halves and they've let in eight in two games. What is frustrating is more the collective here. Fabregas did not show enough leadership to keep the troops together, neither did Toure, Gibbs was not supported at all, neither was Fabianski. The only players I really think put in a shift in which they did their full share of work, offensive and defensive, were Nasri, Bendtner and Song. You can't chastise a player that scored four goals really, but Arshavin offered Gibbs little protection, which was a theme in the Wigan game too until AW moved him upfront. That said, I wouldn't be too disappointed to see us experiment a bit on Sunday and try Sagna at centre half with Eboue right back. The manager has lamented the lack of choice he has back there right now but that is an option that is open to him.
Little Dutch
Good write up LD. I was disappointed with the team as a whole, to say the least. We tried to pass our way out of trouble in our penalty area during the game when a hoof would have worked better, and in the last 5 mins, when we should have kept the ball and passed it around even in our penalty area, we chose to hoof it back to the Pool players. The lessons from the Spurs game were learned for about 3 games after that, and have been promptly forgotten. Its a serious problem. I would also like to see the positives which was Arshavin. What class! When Nasri, Cesc & Arshavin line up and are all in top form, we will be very dangerous and its something to look forward to.
prits
Good write up LD. I was disappointed with the team as a whole, to say the least. We tried to pass our way out of trouble in our penalty area during the game when a hoof would have worked better, and in the last 5 mins, when we should have kept the ball and passed it around even in our penalty area, we chose to hoof it back to the Pool players. The lessons from the Spurs game were learned for about 3 games after that, and have been promptly forgotten. Its a serious problem. I would also like to see the positives which was Arshavin. What class! When Nasri, Cesc & Arshavin line up and are all in top form, we will be very dangerous and its something to look forward to.
prits
Amos, I see what you mean when yo say "Hangeland is just this years favourite", but you are quite clearly trusting defenders that have performed well below an expected level of Arsenal player. I understand that it is difficult at Arsenal, and of course Gallas is a better player than Hangeland or Lescott, but they win headers that Gallas and Toure do not.
Tom14
Amos, I see what you mean when yo say "Hangeland is just this years favourite", but you are quite clearly trusting defenders that have performed well below an expected level of Arsenal player. I understand that it is difficult at Arsenal, and of course Gallas is a better player than Hangeland or Lescott, but they win headers that Gallas and Toure do not.
Tom14
jaelle he is not fully adjusted to the PL by his own admission. as for denilson he has played well for us in the centre of the park with Fab OR Song but it does not suit Arsenal to play all three of them, Nasri has simply not done that much in his last few games so leaving him out against a strong Chelsea side made sense to me but then again everyone has his/her's own opinion.
Armory
jaelle he is not fully adjusted to the PL by his own admission. as for denilson he has played well for us in the centre of the park with Fab OR Song but it does not suit Arsenal to play all three of them, Nasri has simply not done that much in his last few games so leaving him out against a strong Chelsea side made sense to me but then again everyone has his/her's own opinion.
Armory
I was thinking the same thing regarding Sagna at CB, LD... for some reason I recall seeing him play there, was it in a friendly or something? Or did Wenger say he could play there if need be...
TPowell
I was thinking the same thing regarding Sagna at CB, LD... for some reason I recall seeing him play there, was it in a friendly or something? Or did Wenger say he could play there if need be...
TPowell
I was looking forward to your write-up LD because I wanted a first-hand perspective as I too caught up in the emotion of the game. I agree with every point made. The only thing I'd say is that Man Utd will go for the win in the 1st leg but I'm convinced they won't be gung-ho and will want a clean sheet so it could be a more cagey affair. They'll fancy their chances of scoring at the Emirates and I fancy us to concede there so it's almost a must that we score at Old Trafford. Maybe it's the youthfulness of the side that doesn't allow them to start controlling or killing a game off when we're ahead or maybe it's just our attacking nature. I dunno. But, agreed, it can't be an individual thing, it's a collective mentality thing and for that the manager has to take some action. I'm not sure of the shape of the side when Cesc is playing upfront any longer. We look far better balanced playing 4-4-2 with Song and Cesc in the middle, and with Arshavin/RvP in the hole. I'm afraid Denilson has to give way on current form IMO.
Gooner_Vin
I was looking forward to your write-up LD because I wanted a first-hand perspective as I too caught up in the emotion of the game. I agree with every point made. The only thing I'd say is that Man Utd will go for the win in the 1st leg but I'm convinced they won't be gung-ho and will want a clean sheet so it could be a more cagey affair. They'll fancy their chances of scoring at the Emirates and I fancy us to concede there so it's almost a must that we score at Old Trafford. Maybe it's the youthfulness of the side that doesn't allow them to start controlling or killing a game off when we're ahead or maybe it's just our attacking nature. I dunno. But, agreed, it can't be an individual thing, it's a collective mentality thing and for that the manager has to take some action. I'm not sure of the shape of the side when Cesc is playing upfront any longer. We look far better balanced playing 4-4-2 with Song and Cesc in the middle, and with Arshavin/RvP in the hole. I'm afraid Denilson has to give way on current form IMO.
Gooner_Vin
I lost count of the times Cesc recieved the ball with his back to goal and lost the ball. He isnt a 2nd striker he's a playmaker who needs to be able to drop deep and control the tempo of the game. Last night the tempo was all Liverpools. If we are to play with Cesc, Song and Denilson then Arshavin and Nasri need to be given the license to roam not Cesc.
iceman10
I lost count of the times Cesc recieved the ball with his back to goal and lost the ball. He isnt a 2nd striker he's a playmaker who needs to be able to drop deep and control the tempo of the game. Last night the tempo was all Liverpools. If we are to play with Cesc, Song and Denilson then Arshavin and Nasri need to be given the license to roam not Cesc.
iceman10
I don't think Denilson will play many more games this year to be honest. Song will play the big ones and will partner Cesc imo.
Tom14
I don't think Denilson will play many more games this year to be honest. Song will play the big ones and will partner Cesc imo.
Tom14
I still think Denilson will play I think he is abit fatigued at the moment but i think that he has got the potencial to be one of the best defensive midfielders in the world. But Song also has alot of potencial so at least we have cover what ever happens lol
Thierry_Power
I still think Denilson will play I think he is abit fatigued at the moment but i think that he has got the potencial to be one of the best defensive midfielders in the world. But Song also has alot of potencial so at least we have cover what ever happens lol
Thierry_Power
I fully agree with Amos re: this year's favourite centre halves. Richards is a good example, Bramble was hotly tipped as a teenager and has taken ten years to find good form, hell I remember Cygan and Stepanovs being highly thought of at first. Remember Marlon Broomes? Alan Stubbs? Richard Rufus? Emerson Thome? Chris Riggott? Dean Richards? Anton Ferdinand? All have been tipped for the big stage in the last ten years.
Little Dutch
I fully agree with Amos re: this year's favourite centre halves. Richards is a good example, Bramble was hotly tipped as a teenager and has taken ten years to find good form, hell I remember Cygan and Stepanovs being highly thought of at first. Remember Marlon Broomes? Alan Stubbs? Richard Rufus? Emerson Thome? Chris Riggott? Dean Richards? Anton Ferdinand? All have been tipped for the big stage in the last ten years.
Little Dutch
Two more points: (i) Does anyone else just love the way Arshavin celebrates his goals? :-) (2) Wtf were those 6 minutes of injury time for? 6 minutes??
Gooner_Vin
Two more points: (i) Does anyone else just love the way Arshavin celebrates his goals? :-) (2) Wtf were those 6 minutes of injury time for? 6 minutes??
Gooner_Vin
LD, I fully understand that, but Hangeland is a genuine quality center back. I did not rate Richards years ago and many others didn't either, he was average with a great physique. he was great for them last season (January signing) and has been awesome this year. Lescott held off Drogba today, he looks a great center back in my eyes. It is all well and good saying "Oh, you are just naming names" (we did it for the random selection of Defensive Midfielders) but there is a clear worry at the back, and playing two small and fast players will not help that. Our best form comes with a big man, usually Senderos.
Tom14
LD, I fully understand that, but Hangeland is a genuine quality center back. I did not rate Richards years ago and many others didn't either, he was average with a great physique. he was great for them last season (January signing) and has been awesome this year. Lescott held off Drogba today, he looks a great center back in my eyes. It is all well and good saying "Oh, you are just naming names" (we did it for the random selection of Defensive Midfielders) but there is a clear worry at the back, and playing two small and fast players will not help that. Our best form comes with a big man, usually Senderos.
Tom14
I dont just think it's a case of size, although that always helps but to have a defender/centre back that shouts/bullies/takes charge of the entire defence is something we have been lacking since the days of Keown/Adams and Bould and we haven't replaced them yet. When we do, we can win the league.
LondonGooner
I dont just think it's a case of size, although that always helps but to have a defender/centre back that shouts/bullies/takes charge of the entire defence is something we have been lacking since the days of Keown/Adams and Bould and we haven't replaced them yet. When we do, we can win the league.
LondonGooner
The game last night reminded me of that brilliant Harry Enfield sketch, except we didn't wise up, get serious and close out the game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCZZAheNSU I swear our lot don't practice defending in training. They probably all run around seeing who can keep the ball longest.
Wyn Mills
The game last night reminded me of that brilliant Harry Enfield sketch, except we didn't wise up, get serious and close out the game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCZZAheNSU I swear our lot don't practice defending in training. They probably all run around seeing who can keep the ball longest.
Wyn Mills
Just have to pass my opinion. I've followed Arsenal for over 60 years and loved every minute of it. Disagreed with many of our own fans agreed with many. Hated(in a football sense) spuds for as long as i could remember but at times enjoyed their game especially during the early part of the sixties. The game on Tuesday was a great game, in my opinion the type of game filled with passion, mistakes, drama, skills and end to end football. If you had asked me would I accept a draw at the beginning of this game I would have bitten your hand off. We are missing almost the entire defense, and we are still bedding in players. Everyone seems to be saying what if, yeah what if I was on the board of Arsenal I would love it. LD your write up was as usual top class, great having a fan like Amos who can pick up the little bits we miss, but I love the game and would walk a million miles to see another like it. I really hope the boss never ever reads our opinions because if he did he would be wasting his time. On players young Gibbs was a shinning light, Fabi is lad will go on to become a great GK, Nick he is and will become a striker that teams will fear. AA what more can you ask except given time will improve our defense; terrific buy. Denilson is just starting to show what a good player he will become. As you have said our fickle fans, ( those who pretend to be fans) booed Song, will be saying what a good player he is. Finally i loved the match watched it four times already. Wonder where the people who said we would not have a hope of finishing in the top four are now?
alwaysgunner
Just have to pass my opinion. I've followed Arsenal for over 60 years and loved every minute of it. Disagreed with many of our own fans agreed with many. Hated(in a football sense) spuds for as long as i could remember but at times enjoyed their game especially during the early part of the sixties. The game on Tuesday was a great game, in my opinion the type of game filled with passion, mistakes, drama, skills and end to end football. If you had asked me would I accept a draw at the beginning of this game I would have bitten your hand off. We are missing almost the entire defense, and we are still bedding in players. Everyone seems to be saying what if, yeah what if I was on the board of Arsenal I would love it. LD your write up was as usual top class, great having a fan like Amos who can pick up the little bits we miss, but I love the game and would walk a million miles to see another like it. I really hope the boss never ever reads our opinions because if he did he would be wasting his time. On players young Gibbs was a shinning light, Fabi is lad will go on to become a great GK, Nick he is and will become a striker that teams will fear. AA what more can you ask except given time will improve our defense; terrific buy. Denilson is just starting to show what a good player he will become. As you have said our fickle fans, ( those who pretend to be fans) booed Song, will be saying what a good player he is. Finally i loved the match watched it four times already. Wonder where the people who said we would not have a hope of finishing in the top four are now?
alwaysgunner
Always, they're probably the ones now bellyaching about how we are unlikely to ever win anything again unless we buy their current flavour of the month defender/midfielder/goalkeeper et al. Being an old codger, I'm sure you've seen it all and can maintain your good cheer in the current spell, reflecting on the entertaining ideals of our current team and believe that tomorrow will be better than today.
deledudu
Always, they're probably the ones now bellyaching about how we are unlikely to ever win anything again unless we buy their current flavour of the month defender/midfielder/goalkeeper et al. Being an old codger, I'm sure you've seen it all and can maintain your good cheer in the current spell, reflecting on the entertaining ideals of our current team and believe that tomorrow will be better than today.
deledudu
number 14 why are you having a pop at pat rice, this is a man who played over 300 games for arsenal he also played for and captained northern ireland as well as captaining arsenal he has been a manager ( watford) he also took over as manager of arsenal in the interim before wenger arrived very succesfully as i recall and arsene has kept faith with him since he took over i have met pat on many occassions and his knowledge and grasp of the game is phenomenal and you have done what in the premier league who did you play for or manage, its very easy to have a pop at the coaching staff, but may i sugest that you become a premiership coach/ manager and then you can have an inforned opinion
cornish gooner
number 14 why are you having a pop at pat rice, this is a man who played over 300 games for arsenal he also played for and captained northern ireland as well as captaining arsenal he has been a manager ( watford) he also took over as manager of arsenal in the interim before wenger arrived very succesfully as i recall and arsene has kept faith with him since he took over i have met pat on many occassions and his knowledge and grasp of the game is phenomenal and you have done what in the premier league who did you play for or manage, its very easy to have a pop at the coaching staff, but may i sugest that you become a premiership coach/ manager and then you can have an inforned opinion
cornish gooner
 

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League Table (view table)

Team P W D L GD Pts
2. Southampton 9 6 1 2 15 19
3. Man City 9 5 2 2 9 17
4. West Ham 9 5 1 3 5 16
5. Arsenal 9 3 5 1 4 14
6. Liverpool 9 4 2 3 1 14
7. Man Utd 8 3 3 2 3 12
8. Swansea 8 3 2 3 1 11

Breaking League News

Swansea : 25/10/2014 23:45:00
Monk: We'll Work On Our Decision Making
Swansea : 25/10/2014 22:43:00
Report - Swansea City 2-0 Leicester City
Swansea : 25/10/2014 22:15:00
Much More To Come
Man Utd : 25/10/2014 22:00:00
Pick Of The Bunch!
West Ham : 25/10/2014 20:32:00

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