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Arsenal 1 Manchester United 3

Que sera sera, whatever will be will be. A night that promised nail biting tension, high pitched yelping and bowel clenching nerves actually turned out to be a large vacuum of bloody nosed disappointment as we were put to the sword too early to even take the contest to the full twelve rounds as it were. Pre match the mood was of defiance and heart rendering optimism in some quarters. My pre match prediction that we would draw 1-1 but that United would definitely score first was not met kindly, such was the palpable "up and at them" atmosphere. The sense of occasion was multiplied somewhat when met with the unusual sight of overcrowding at the turnstiles ten minutes before kick off, whilst the flags the club had given out weren`t of the cheap plastic vintage by any means. (Though I still consider it too Chelsea and therefore did not even pick mine up in truth). What was clear from the first minute was that the crowd were up for it and so were the players.

Wenger took the wise choice to start van Persie ahead of Abou Diaby but bafflingly started on the left hand side. But the home side began at an explosive pace, Fabregas` shot ricocheting off Ferdinand and wide for an early corner. Adebayor grappled manfully for the header only to be blocked by van der Sar. But the referee set the tone for an absolutely appalling display by giving a foul when there was never a suggestion of one. Arsenal, backed by a buoyant and noisy crowd, had the wind in their sails, but were promptly knocked out of their stride after eight minutes. Anderson played a ball to Ronaldo in the channel who had just managed to stay onside, he pulled a tame cross back which Gibbs had well covered, but an unfortunate loss of footing allowed Ji Sung Park in to scoop the ball over Almunia and into the net. Mission unlikely had become mission improbable. Gibbs has little recourse for regret, he slipped, you cannot really legislate for that, it could happen to anyone. Ask John Terry. Three minutes later, the tie was sealed and the feeling of anti climax poured through the early evening sunshine like a fast working laxative. Van Persie, needlessly deployed on the left, performed a needless foul on Ronaldo thirty yards from goal. Ronaldo lined it up and thumped it in with interest at Almunia`s near post with the 32 year old Spaniard needlessly attempting another Hollywood save when caution would have seen him palm it out rather comfortably. It was all a bit, well, needless really. It feels churlish to chide Almunia given his first leg heroics, but it once again adds weight to the suspicion that he saves his biggest errors in concentration for games such as these. Stamford Bridge for the last two seasons, countless times against United, the horrible 4-4 draw with Spurs, the Champions League Final, all games where he will look back in anger at soft goals conceded.

Ronaldo meanwhile needlessly ran to goad the Arsenal fans in celebration. I despise it when footballers paid six figure sums to play in games taunt the punters paying exorbitant prices to watch them. I hated it when Henry did it and I hate it when preening fannies like Ronaldo do it. There was no provocation on the part of the home support here; this was not a response to any kind of mass targeting from the crowd gathered in that stand. It was pure malice on the part of Ronaldo. Even David Bentley had the class to go and celebrate with his own supporters when he scored at the Emirates this year, why not have the class and decency to share the moment with the people who have travelled hundreds of miles and paid hundreds of pounds to glory in the moment you provided? That said, the idiots that threw bottles at him really should be ashamed. In the last few minutes of the game, Patrice Evra decided to goad the Arsenal fans when taking a throw in, to the point that the eminently classier Michael Carrick had to walk over and tell him to put a sock in it. When you see players like Darren Fletcher and Phil Jagielka missing the biggest games of their careers unjustly, yet classless morons like Cashley, Ronaldo and Evra lining up, you realise what an unfair world we actually live in. In the 93rd minute of a game United were winning by four goals to qualify for the Champions League Final, Ronaldo remonstrated full bloodedly with the referee to book Sagna for the tiniest show of frustration when placing the ball down for a United throw. This is Cristiano Ronaldo showing contempt for an act of miniscule petulance. I simply cannot relate to a professional or a human being who thinks in such a way at a moment like that. He is an undeniably awesome player; we simply could not live with him last night and his mentality and desire when he has a ball at his feet is peerless, but his attitude as a human being stinks.

It really was game up at this point, Arsenal, having not created a single opportunity against United in 101 minutes, had to pierce Europe`s finest rearguard four times in 78 minutes. With Vidic and Ferdinand as authoritative as ever, even the decision to move van Persie upfront looked to be a tokenist effort on our part. Rooney hit a curling shot which Almunia did very well to tip around the post. When he does not have time to think about a save you tend to see his best work, his penchant for amateur dramatics lets him down at times. It`s perhaps significant that all of his myriad of match saving stops in the First Leg were reaction saves from close range. Arsenal carried on plugging away, despite the scapegoating that will no doubt gather apace today, Adebayor showed a great deal more heart and effort, whilst Fabregas too vainly attempted to close United down ravenously. But with Walcott and van Persie easily enervated, the Gunners just did not have the tools to cause United worry. If the absence of Gallas cost our back four its prime organiser and cajoler as well as its most experienced head, the enforced absence of the relatively unknown quantity that is Arshavin cost us our creativity going forwards and really reminded us all of why we found goals so difficult to come by prior to his arrival. The effort was there from Arsenal, contrary to the predictable hand wringing that is emerging this morning, the belief was not.

Wenger put Eboue on for Gibbs at half time; the Ivorian produced a mesmeric attacking stint on Saturday and the manager obviously adjudged Gibbs` mental state to be too fractured to carry on. The Gunners soldiered but to no avail, with Fletcher, Carrick and Anderson not letting their desire to harry and close down wane for one single second and Ferdinand and Vidic easily able to contain the isolated Adebayor and the ineffective van Persie, Arsenal simply could not trouble United`s goal. Ronaldo skipped effortlessly past Djourou before his low shot was pawed away by Almunia. The icing on United`s cake arrived on 61 minutes, Arsenal over committed for a corner and United gave Arsenal a stark reminder of the sort of goal that was once our trademark, before we decided to swap swift, one touch passing for pretentious chin stroking and dilly dallying. Park raced away with the corner cleared and played a measured ball to Rooney on the left, he made a beeline for goal before sliding the ball into the path of Ronaldo who slid gleefully into the roof of the net. It didn`t make a lot of difference in the long run; the game was long since up. Still, the United fans relaxed even more, firing a broadside at Rafa with the continuous rendition of "we`re going to Rome and that`s a fact."

A handful of Arsenal fans disappointedly made for the exit. People like this should be put in real positions of adversity; they have obviously lived very sheltered and comfortable lives to react in such a childish and spoiled manner. Presumably these are the sorts of people that blow raspberries and throw their dinner plates on the floor when they are served a vegetable they don`t care for. I envy them in a way. Whilst the likes of the moronic Alan Green and the ITV commentary team might well have been handed a field day by the petulance of the walk aways, I`ll bet my left testicle that not one of them highlighted the few thousand of us that applauded United off the pitch after the final whistle. Forgive me for being self congratulatory, but it was the right thing for us to do, we were comfortably outplayed by the better side and completely fairly too and credit to the United players who recognised the gesture and returned it. It might sound misty eyed, but I was bought up with this club as a set of supporters who, like the club itself, behaved with a little bit extra class and distinction and practised good sportsmanship. This football club instilled those values in me, I`ve been going to watch Arsenal on a regular basis for eighteen years now and that is how I have always identified our support, as fair minded. I guess the consequence of filling a 60,000 stadium is that the fully paid up members of the microwave culture will spit their "now, now, now" platitudes, boo players they`re told not to like and walk away when the team lose. It`s reactionary and childish but I guess that`s just the world we live in and crusty romantics like me will have to tolerate it.

The game had now become a procession for United, though substitute Nicklas Bendtner managed more of an impact in fifteen minutes than Walcott managed in the previous 165. He will doubtless be booed by his own fans again before the season`s out. His commendable effort was nearly rewarded when he glided past John O`Shea and fired into the side netting, whilst van Persie stung his compatriot`s palms from distance. Arsenal did grab an unwarranted consolation when van Persie flicked the ball into the path of Fabregas; the tireless Fletcher would not let his desire sag for even an Arsenal consolation as he won the ball from Cesc in the area, the ref capped a miserable performance by awarding a penalty and sending Fletcher off. Arguably United`s best player over the two legs will miss the final and unjustly so, I felt for him. Van Persie duly smashed the penalty past van der Sar, those of us that had not thrown our dollies from the pram displayed a semblance of humour by chanting "we only need four more." Cesc nearly got us 25% of the way there, Bendtner flicked Nasri`s free kick to the back post, but Cesc miscontrolled in front of goal. The final whistle sounded a full 79 minutes after it could have been and United`s place in the final was confirmed. I`m a little astounded that Arsenal fans have reacted so zealously to this, it suggests that this came as a surprise. Perhaps that speaks to how well the club`s propaganda department is doing to elevate expectations, take a look at the curriculum vitae of clubs that have knocked us out of the big tournaments in the last three years, Liverpool, Chelsea, Barcelona and Manchester United. This is simply our level right now; we are sitting just below that clutch of clubs. The decision the manager has to make this summer surrounds whether we accept that or whether we make a few necessary improvements and really try to compete with those clubs again. I`ve a feeling the latter approach will prove to be a little too 'Icarus` for the club at the moment and they will continue to spin the line about our attractive football and extol the virtue of potential. We shall see; the team is at something of a crossroads now. The hacks may be sharpening their claws and racking up another year on the calendar of the "barren trophy haul", but I am not really fooled so easily. Portsmouth and Spurs won trophies last year and not one of their players, fans or board members would refuse to swap places with us at the moment. What is clear is that Arsenal need to make a few small steps to complete the giant leap, but the manager decided not to try it last summer, whether he has learned form that remains to be seen.LD.




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Writer: Tim Stillman Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday May 6 2009

Time: 12:27PM

Your Comments

Where do we go from here? When Wenger's questioned about this season no doubt he'll point to the 2 semi finals, but we had the nicest draw by a country mile and still managed to try and eff that up. Our problems are so ingrained, it's not simply a question of picking up the chequebook. What really makes me laugh is ''we need to sign another couple of players of Arshavin's quality''.... from where?!
shewore
Congratulations to Man Utd, they werer far superior to us and we lost to the better team. The manner of the goals were a bit dissapointing and a touch unlucky (Gibbs slip & a definate dive from Ronaldo, i was no mor ethan 30 yards away fromt he tackle, but great strike) we have achieved as much as we can with this team and it definately needs upgrading not dismantling. Lets not forget the team we played last night cost £110 million more than ours (Rooney cost = our starting 11 FFS!), eventually that will catch up with you. Some players are playing at close to their best and it is simply not good enough, unfortunate, but true. Wenger's loyalty is admirable but sometimes misplaced and as good a prosepct as many of our young lads are...they need quality and experience to learn from (Walcott from Arshavin and Cesc from Viera as a rough example) and then they have to earn their first team starts rather than be promoted into them they need to be better than the players in their positions, again the Cesc and Viera situation was similar to what I mean. We have CL football to look forward to next season (barring a nightmare in the qualifiers) money spent (hopefully) in the summer a group of youngsters one year older and more experienced an intelligent manager and a stable club. It's a lot more than most teams could dream of. A sobering night indeed.
LondonGooner
Where do we go from here? When Wenger's questioned about this season no doubt he'll point to the 2 semi finals, but we had the nicest draw by a country mile and still managed to try and eff that up. Our problems are so ingrained, it's not simply a question of picking up the chequebook. What really makes me laugh is ''we need to sign another couple of players of Arshavin's quality''.... from where?!
shewore
Congratulations to Man Utd, they werer far superior to us and we lost to the better team. The manner of the goals were a bit dissapointing and a touch unlucky (Gibbs slip & a definate dive from Ronaldo, i was no mor ethan 30 yards away fromt he tackle, but great strike) we have achieved as much as we can with this team and it definately needs upgrading not dismantling. Lets not forget the team we played last night cost £110 million more than ours (Rooney cost = our starting 11 FFS!), eventually that will catch up with you. Some players are playing at close to their best and it is simply not good enough, unfortunate, but true. Wenger's loyalty is admirable but sometimes misplaced and as good a prosepct as many of our young lads are...they need quality and experience to learn from (Walcott from Arshavin and Cesc from Viera as a rough example) and then they have to earn their first team starts rather than be promoted into them they need to be better than the players in their positions, again the Cesc and Viera situation was similar to what I mean. We have CL football to look forward to next season (barring a nightmare in the qualifiers) money spent (hopefully) in the summer a group of youngsters one year older and more experienced an intelligent manager and a stable club. It's a lot more than most teams could dream of. A sobering night indeed.
LondonGooner
I forgot, an excellent write up LD, shame the subject material is so depressing but what can you do. Last word, Ronaldo great footballer, absolute c*n* bucket of a person and easily the most dislikeable player out there last night.
LondonGooner
I forgot, an excellent write up LD, shame the subject material is so depressing but what can you do. Last word, Ronaldo great footballer, absolute c*n* bucket of a person and easily the most dislikeable player out there last night.
LondonGooner
Good write up. No doubt there's going to be a lot of petulance in reaction to last night, but you can't judge the team on a game like that. We started very well, attacking them, playing some good football and really chasing them down when they were on the ball. Sadly we were killed off by two freak goals that we could do nothing about, and after that the purpose and desire drained from the players who were, understandably, pretty stunned. It was not a normal game, had Gibbs' footing stayed firm and Ronaldo's cross been dealt with we most likely would have seen an entirely different match. So we shouldn't judge the players on last night because for 8 minutes before an uncontrollable accident and a generous refereeing decsion we were the better, more purposeful side. It's going to be interesting to see how we fare against them in a couple if weeks when we've got the Russian Cruyff back in the side!
TheBoyInRed&White
I am an optimist and felt we had it in us. I was wrong! United were just too good for us....... we're a long way away. The performances of Song and (when he came on) Bendtner were the only shining lights!
navydave
Good write up. No doubt there's going to be a lot of petulance in reaction to last night, but you can't judge the team on a game like that. We started very well, attacking them, playing some good football and really chasing them down when they were on the ball. Sadly we were killed off by two freak goals that we could do nothing about, and after that the purpose and desire drained from the players who were, understandably, pretty stunned. It was not a normal game, had Gibbs' footing stayed firm and Ronaldo's cross been dealt with we most likely would have seen an entirely different match. So we shouldn't judge the players on last night because for 8 minutes before an uncontrollable accident and a generous refereeing decsion we were the better, more purposeful side. It's going to be interesting to see how we fare against them in a couple if weeks when we've got the Russian Cruyff back in the side!
TheBoyInRed&White
I am an optimist and felt we had it in us. I was wrong! United were just too good for us....... we're a long way away. The performances of Song and (when he came on) Bendtner were the only shining lights!
navydave
Banter aside IMO you only need 1 player for next season a Gilberto or Veira type. Senna would be ideal. Someone with experience and leadership in the middle of the pitch. You are probably overloaded with attacking midfielders it`s just a question of getting the balance right and keeping them out the treatment room.
cockeril
Banter aside IMO you only need 1 player for next season a Gilberto or Veira type. Senna would be ideal. Someone with experience and leadership in the middle of the pitch. You are probably overloaded with attacking midfielders it`s just a question of getting the balance right and keeping them out the treatment room.
cockeril
Well that's that for another season in terms of Arsenal football club. Of course we could still have our say on the title, but I'm not bothered about that, just hoping that we can finish the season without a defeat and keep the nice little run going. It was a shame it ended in such fashion because before Gibbs slip we looked really lively. Oh well, that's football. Looking forward to a couple of stress free weeks before silly season starts!
Rocky7
Well that's that for another season in terms of Arsenal football club. Of course we could still have our say on the title, but I'm not bothered about that, just hoping that we can finish the season without a defeat and keep the nice little run going. It was a shame it ended in such fashion because before Gibbs slip we looked really lively. Oh well, that's football. Looking forward to a couple of stress free weeks before silly season starts!
Rocky7
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25440670-23215,00.html
ForeverUnited
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25440670-23215,00.html
ForeverUnited
Wow that's crazy FU - Obviously though, the guy had some deep rooted problems not connected with football in the slightest!
Rocky7
Wow that's crazy FU - Obviously though, the guy had some deep rooted problems not connected with football in the slightest!
Rocky7
I think that's all pretty fair. We are outside of the top 4 clubs in Europe at present but we aren't that far short either. As with Chelsea in the FAC we lacked the physical power of ManU but we aren't short of quality. That quality needs to be more balanced, fluent if you like and we need to be physically stronger. The game itself was largely lost in the first leg. Overcoming a team with a 1-0 home first leg advantage, especially one of ManU's quality and experience was always tough because they were good enough to dictate the pattern of play from the start. Throw in a free goal or two in the first 10 mins and we would have had to have been a truly exceptional side or an extraordinarily lucky one to overcome them. In the event we are neither. Two SF's and a CL place is about where we are at the present. Not great but not too shabby either.
Amos.
I think that's all pretty fair. We are outside of the top 4 clubs in Europe at present but we aren't that far short either. As with Chelsea in the FAC we lacked the physical power of ManU but we aren't short of quality. That quality needs to be more balanced, fluent if you like and we need to be physically stronger. The game itself was largely lost in the first leg. Overcoming a team with a 1-0 home first leg advantage, especially one of ManU's quality and experience was always tough because they were good enough to dictate the pattern of play from the start. Throw in a free goal or two in the first 10 mins and we would have had to have been a truly exceptional side or an extraordinarily lucky one to overcome them. In the event we are neither. Two SF's and a CL place is about where we are at the present. Not great but not too shabby either.
Amos.
TheBoyInRed&White - i don't think it is a knee jerk reaction to the game mate, but the simple fact of the matter is when it came to the crunch this season against the big teams (Chelsea & Man Utd) we were found wanting. regardless of how it happened or the circumstances, we were not good wenough. Don't get me wrong, we aren't far off being a top, top team (Cockeril hit the nail on the head earlier + big centreback please) but we do need more quality if we are to stay ahead of the Villa's and Evertons and keep the pressure on the Scousers and Chelsea's.
LondonGooner
TheBoyInRed&White - i don't think it is a knee jerk reaction to the game mate, but the simple fact of the matter is when it came to the crunch this season against the big teams (Chelsea & Man Utd) we were found wanting. regardless of how it happened or the circumstances, we were not good wenough. Don't get me wrong, we aren't far off being a top, top team (Cockeril hit the nail on the head earlier + big centreback please) but we do need more quality if we are to stay ahead of the Villa's and Evertons and keep the pressure on the Scousers and Chelsea's.
LondonGooner
Amos - "fair to middling" would you say old bean?
LondonGooner
Amos - "fair to middling" would you say old bean?
LondonGooner
Rocky7 - Maybe but I still think the loss may have been the last straw for him.
ForeverUnited
Rocky7 - Maybe but I still think the loss may have been the last straw for him.
ForeverUnited
LG- I didn't mean to say that we're up there on a par with United, what I meant was that last night's game made us look like we're further behind than we really are because of some freak circumstances. We can beat Chelsea and United, and obviously have done so this season, but I'm under no delusions that we can actually cause them big problems when we really need to, because it seems we can't. We need more thrust, and we need more control. Arshavin gives us a lot of that and his partnership with Cesc is looking better and better by the week, but we need one or two more players to get us really competing. I'm going to spend the summer dreaming (in vain) of Milan giving us 30 mill for Ade and us bringing in Hangeland, Alonso and Benzema- if only reality could be so easy!
TheBoyInRed&White
LG- I didn't mean to say that we're up there on a par with United, what I meant was that last night's game made us look like we're further behind than we really are because of some freak circumstances. We can beat Chelsea and United, and obviously have done so this season, but I'm under no delusions that we can actually cause them big problems when we really need to, because it seems we can't. We need more thrust, and we need more control. Arshavin gives us a lot of that and his partnership with Cesc is looking better and better by the week, but we need one or two more players to get us really competing. I'm going to spend the summer dreaming (in vain) of Milan giving us 30 mill for Ade and us bringing in Hangeland, Alonso and Benzema- if only reality could be so easy!
TheBoyInRed&White
Superb write up LD, very well said. The last para in particular is spot on.
Moorish
Superb write up LD, very well said. The last para in particular is spot on.
Moorish
And the "small steps" - Wenger has GOT to take them. SOME, at the very least. Just keeping faith with what he has is NOT working, and hasn't worked for some years. If he can't learn his fecking lesson now then he never will.
Moorish
And the "small steps" - Wenger has GOT to take them. SOME, at the very least. Just keeping faith with what he has is NOT working, and hasn't worked for some years. If he can't learn his fecking lesson now then he never will.
Moorish
Very honest write up LD, it really hurts. We have our pride to fight for over the coming weeks and would dearly love to put Winking Ronnie back in his box but unfortunately I have to accept his ability. Last night was not our time, as they say Hope springs eternal in the human breast; Man never Is, but always To be blest: The soul, uneasy and confin'd from home, Rests and expatiates in a life to come. and our time will come, lets finish the season off with a bang not a whimper.
alwaysgunner
Very honest write up LD, it really hurts. We have our pride to fight for over the coming weeks and would dearly love to put Winking Ronnie back in his box but unfortunately I have to accept his ability. Last night was not our time, as they say Hope springs eternal in the human breast; Man never Is, but always To be blest: The soul, uneasy and confin'd from home, Rests and expatiates in a life to come. and our time will come, lets finish the season off with a bang not a whimper.
alwaysgunner
I think 'fair to middling' is understating our position somewhat. We are still among the top 5 or 6 clubs in Europe after all. We have beaten ManU and Chelsea this season. We are a very, very good side indeed. Just a little short of being undisputed top dogs that's all.
Amos.
Excellent write up. Completely agree with you about the 'ugliness' of Ronaldo, the desperately poor luck of Fletcher and the stupid UEFA rules that will not reverse the decision, the spirit of Bendtner who showed more effort than several of your players and the poor behaviour of modern fans who should be grateful to have the opportunity see such great spectacles live and not show their contempt for such an opportunity by failing to support their team properly. As with what Cockeril said, an experienced and solid central midfielder or centre back is required, a 'Roy Keane' roll your sleeves up type to stop heads falling.
Kernowboy71
I think 'fair to middling' is understating our position somewhat. We are still among the top 5 or 6 clubs in Europe after all. We have beaten ManU and Chelsea this season. We are a very, very good side indeed. Just a little short of being undisputed top dogs that's all.
Amos.
Excellent write up. Completely agree with you about the 'ugliness' of Ronaldo, the desperately poor luck of Fletcher and the stupid UEFA rules that will not reverse the decision, the spirit of Bendtner who showed more effort than several of your players and the poor behaviour of modern fans who should be grateful to have the opportunity see such great spectacles live and not show their contempt for such an opportunity by failing to support their team properly. As with what Cockeril said, an experienced and solid central midfielder or centre back is required, a 'Roy Keane' roll your sleeves up type to stop heads falling.
Kernowboy71
i think the player we have in palacios,
123spurs
i think the player we have in palacios,
123spurs
Amos - yeah I make you right there fella, what was it Wenger said about caviar and sausages? S'pose we have all been spoilt for quite some time now, although that doesn't mean we should accept 2nd best or lower our standards.
LondonGooner
Yeah but Kernow u get some Arsenal up their own arse types who like to be a little bit unique and harp on about the 'subtlelty' of Denilson and that we don't need a 'foam at the mouth' type player. Amos - we're a top 4 premier league side, this, by default, puts us in the top 6 in Europe.
shewore
Amos - yeah I make you right there fella, what was it Wenger said about caviar and sausages? S'pose we have all been spoilt for quite some time now, although that doesn't mean we should accept 2nd best or lower our standards.
LondonGooner
Yeah but Kernow u get some Arsenal up their own arse types who like to be a little bit unique and harp on about the 'subtlelty' of Denilson and that we don't need a 'foam at the mouth' type player. Amos - we're a top 4 premier league side, this, by default, puts us in the top 6 in Europe.
shewore
"I think the player we have in palacios" 123spurs Wenger turned down Palacios oafter a trial and recommended him to Wigan and Steve Bruce didn't he?
LondonGooner
Due to mistakes, the game was over after ten minutes so itís difficult to really measure last nightís performance in terms of how far behind United we are. I think we have some decent talent, but you just need to look at the difference on the respective benches last night to see that we need more. I donít think that it is co-incidence that our league form improved dramatically after the arrival of Arshavin. The general feeling of elation that was felt after his arrival (a quality ďnameĒ) at Arsenal gave us fresh impetus. Whilst signing proven players with reputations has not always been successful, it does give the club a boost and makes the players feel part of a club with ambition. If they do perform up to their potential as Arshavin has done, it is money very well spent. Iím sure United are feeling that way after signing Rooney and Ferdinand. If Wenger is concerned about blocking the development of the younger players as a result of buying in some talent, then perhaps he should have a think about how Kieran Gibbs is feeling right now. His development might be permanently scarred having been made to play in a high profile game where we simply had no choice but to play him.
Sir Henry
"I think the player we have in palacios" 123spurs Wenger turned down Palacios oafter a trial and recommended him to Wigan and Steve Bruce didn't he?
LondonGooner
Due to mistakes, the game was over after ten minutes so itís difficult to really measure last nightís performance in terms of how far behind United we are. I think we have some decent talent, but you just need to look at the difference on the respective benches last night to see that we need more. I donít think that it is co-incidence that our league form improved dramatically after the arrival of Arshavin. The general feeling of elation that was felt after his arrival (a quality ďnameĒ) at Arsenal gave us fresh impetus. Whilst signing proven players with reputations has not always been successful, it does give the club a boost and makes the players feel part of a club with ambition. If they do perform up to their potential as Arshavin has done, it is money very well spent. Iím sure United are feeling that way after signing Rooney and Ferdinand. If Wenger is concerned about blocking the development of the younger players as a result of buying in some talent, then perhaps he should have a think about how Kieran Gibbs is feeling right now. His development might be permanently scarred having been made to play in a high profile game where we simply had no choice but to play him.
Sir Henry
I honestly have to say Arsenal have over-achieved this season. I thought they'd struggle to get to a Europa cup place. Only Villa's collapse and Everton's striker shortage has prevented that. Look at the reserve league and see Arsenal's position. In the past there was something coming through. Now there's absolutely nothing. These are the fumes of Arsenal's successful years. Wenger is offended by the idea of buying replacements and the club seemingly unwilling to pay players enough to stay either. If nothing changes this will only get worse. Arsenal were humiliated for the umpteenth time yesterday, whatever one-off results they've managed this season. Even the board is dismantling and selling up progressively. Of course Wenger is under little pressure at the moment, because he has this mystic aura about him, but if you haven't picked up on his delusional ramblings then you're missing an obvious trick. This isn't the beginning of the end, it's about the middle of the end. I give the club one more season of hope, then curtains.
Squiddy
LondonGooner, haven't seen you on SpursVital today following up on your comments regarding Spurs' defensive capitulation at OT 10 days ago, funny that eh! I told you then that you should hold fire on your wise cracks until after the semis against ManUre and focus on your own issues in defense... nuff said my old china. Don't have any issues with the rest of you Gooners, considering the age and cost of your team you've had a succesful season by all accounts. And if you want to see the true 'ugliness' of football, just wait til later and you'll see the diving and histrionics of Chelsea, in particular Drogba...
Doctor Yid
I honestly have to say Arsenal have over-achieved this season. I thought they'd struggle to get to a Europa cup place. Only Villa's collapse and Everton's striker shortage has prevented that. Look at the reserve league and see Arsenal's position. In the past there was something coming through. Now there's absolutely nothing. These are the fumes of Arsenal's successful years. Wenger is offended by the idea of buying replacements and the club seemingly unwilling to pay players enough to stay either. If nothing changes this will only get worse. Arsenal were humiliated for the umpteenth time yesterday, whatever one-off results they've managed this season. Even the board is dismantling and selling up progressively. Of course Wenger is under little pressure at the moment, because he has this mystic aura about him, but if you haven't picked up on his delusional ramblings then you're missing an obvious trick. This isn't the beginning of the end, it's about the middle of the end. I give the club one more season of hope, then curtains.
Squiddy
LondonGooner, haven't seen you on SpursVital today following up on your comments regarding Spurs' defensive capitulation at OT 10 days ago, funny that eh! I told you then that you should hold fire on your wise cracks until after the semis against ManUre and focus on your own issues in defense... nuff said my old china. Don't have any issues with the rest of you Gooners, considering the age and cost of your team you've had a succesful season by all accounts. And if you want to see the true 'ugliness' of football, just wait til later and you'll see the diving and histrionics of Chelsea, in particular Drogba...
Doctor Yid
When you say a "A handful of Arsenal fans disappointedly made for the exit" i presume you mean about 15,000 but for some reason or another dont want to admit it. Yet you pointed out very clearly how many Spurs fans left the Emirates earlier on this season when we were 4-2 down, and made a cheap sly dig at us over it.
HuddersfieldYiddo
When you say a "A handful of Arsenal fans disappointedly made for the exit" i presume you mean about 15,000 but for some reason or another dont want to admit it. Yet you pointed out very clearly how many Spurs fans left the Emirates earlier on this season when we were 4-2 down, and made a cheap sly dig at us over it.
HuddersfieldYiddo
Also, why do you have such a cynical attitude to everything in Football? According to you in the last 12months every single commentator, pundit, newspaper, radiohost, governing body and referee is either bent, biased or crooked against Arsenal. You have even recently confessed your admiration for the psychotic idiot that is Roy Keane because of his similar attitude to football punditary. You have this needless attitude on things like when you confess you "dont even bother to watch the national side anymore" like its somehow beneath you because you have an education or something, or you didnt even bother to pick up your free flag because it was "Too Chelsea" i can even imagine your smug grin when you thought of that.
HuddersfieldYiddo
Also, why do you have such a cynical attitude to everything in Football? According to you in the last 12months every single commentator, pundit, newspaper, radiohost, governing body and referee is either bent, biased or crooked against Arsenal. You have even recently confessed your admiration for the psychotic idiot that is Roy Keane because of his similar attitude to football punditary. You have this needless attitude on things like when you confess you "dont even bother to watch the national side anymore" like its somehow beneath you because you have an education or something, or you didnt even bother to pick up your free flag because it was "Too Chelsea" i can even imagine your smug grin when you thought of that.
HuddersfieldYiddo
yes that was true LondonGooner, but ye also had gilberto flammy cesc an others so there was no way he would get into first team at that age an that time, but he started well with a lesser club an got better playing first team footie, bough for 1 mil, sold for 13mil, an ask any spurs fan an what player has helpled us to safety, a player we have been crying out for years , is the beat
123spurs
yes that was true LondonGooner, but ye also had gilberto flammy cesc an others so there was no way he would get into first team at that age an that time, but he started well with a lesser club an got better playing first team footie, bough for 1 mil, sold for 13mil, an ask any spurs fan an what player has helpled us to safety, a player we have been crying out for years , is the beat
123spurs
Squiddy - I'll have to beg to differ and say that Villa overachieved in the ealry parts of the season (and got incredibly lucky in a few games too) whilst we, as I hate to admit, did exactly what our team is capable of right now, qualifying for the CL and making a good fist of it in the cup competitions.
Rocky7
Squiddy - I'll have to beg to differ and say that Villa overachieved in the ealry parts of the season (and got incredibly lucky in a few games too) whilst we, as I hate to admit, did exactly what our team is capable of right now, qualifying for the CL and making a good fist of it in the cup competitions.
Rocky7
HY, what the hell are you on about? On this very site about two weeks ago, I had a pop at another Vital Arsenal member for saying the media was against us because I don't think it particualrly matters. The media are not against us, they are against everyone, they're ugly and negative. Hell man, read what I wrote about Fletcher, how the hell is that claiming bias against Arsenal? When have I ever claimed any referee was biased against Arsenal you utter clown? I had a pop at the ref for giving us a penalty. If you're going to make ill informed comments on the forum, at least bother to read the article first. I devoted a whole paragraph to criticising those that walked out, whatever your skewed estimation of the numbers. (I'm talking about the ones who left immediately after the third goal, admittedly, by the end around 30,000 were still there). But it's also not incorrect to mention that some of us stayed behind and applauded the winning team off, including Ferguson who walked off the pitch on his own before the players. I've been entirely good natured about the defeat and honest in my appraisal of it then some jumped up Spud dickhead comes over shouting the odds, one minute slagging me off for refusing to criticise Arsenal and the next criticising me for criticising Arsenal. What in the name of ***** is it to do with you what I feel about England? You *****, go back to Vital Spurs and look at my comments on the Almunia for England thread when I explicitly said on three separate occasions that I have no wish to deride anyone who supports and cherishes the England team, but I just don't. That's my choice, what you think of the team is yours, but please don't leave this ill informed ***** on my articles again. If you can't be arsed to read it, don't comment on it numbnuts. If I've been cynical or harsh to you it's because you deserve it.
Little Dutch
HY, what the hell are you on about? On this very site about two weeks ago, I had a pop at another Vital Arsenal member for saying the media was against us because I don't think it particualrly matters. The media are not against us, they are against everyone, they're ugly and negative. Hell man, read what I wrote about Fletcher, how the hell is that claiming bias against Arsenal? When have I ever claimed any referee was biased against Arsenal you utter clown? I had a pop at the ref for giving us a penalty. If you're going to make ill informed comments on the forum, at least bother to read the article first. I devoted a whole paragraph to criticising those that walked out, whatever your skewed estimation of the numbers. (I'm talking about the ones who left immediately after the third goal, admittedly, by the end around 30,000 were still there). But it's also not incorrect to mention that some of us stayed behind and applauded the winning team off, including Ferguson who walked off the pitch on his own before the players. I've been entirely good natured about the defeat and honest in my appraisal of it then some jumped up Spud dickhead comes over shouting the odds, one minute slagging me off for refusing to criticise Arsenal and the next criticising me for criticising Arsenal. What in the name of ***** is it to do with you what I feel about England? You *****, go back to Vital Spurs and look at my comments on the Almunia for England thread when I explicitly said on three separate occasions that I have no wish to deride anyone who supports and cherishes the England team, but I just don't. That's my choice, what you think of the team is yours, but please don't leave this ill informed ***** on my articles again. If you can't be arsed to read it, don't comment on it numbnuts. If I've been cynical or harsh to you it's because you deserve it.
Little Dutch
123spurs, I wasn't knocking him mate, you're right, it was a matter of numbers and the quality in front of him. Basically though he has had the perfect/ideal start to life in the Premiership by being brought through slowly and surely at a smaller club, what I wouldn't give for a fully fit Viera a few weeks ago!
LondonGooner
123spurs, I wasn't knocking him mate, you're right, it was a matter of numbers and the quality in front of him. Basically though he has had the perfect/ideal start to life in the Premiership by being brought through slowly and surely at a smaller club, what I wouldn't give for a fully fit Viera a few weeks ago!
LondonGooner
Doctor Yid - How many minutes did Utd need to score 5 against you........?
LondonGooner
Doctor Yid - How many minutes did Utd need to score 5 against you........?
LondonGooner
i no mate i was just sayin he prob has matured when he left etc, just sayin he is the type of player, and another was diarria same wanted first team footie so ye sold him, an with in 6 month i think flammy went on free transfer
123spurs
i no mate i was just sayin he prob has matured when he left etc, just sayin he is the type of player, and another was diarria same wanted first team footie so ye sold him, an with in 6 month i think flammy went on free transfer
123spurs
LD - I feel you're bottling your emotions up, that's not healthy my friend, come on, let it all out!!
Rocky7
LD - I feel you're bottling your emotions up, that's not healthy my friend, come on, let it all out!!
Rocky7
Doctor Yid - As a quick aside, I wasn't on vital spurs giving it the big 'un, never have done either it was a cordial coversation and I heavily criticized the referee. I generally keep things polite until, inevitably, one of your fellow spuddies starts shouting his mouth off and coating gooners.
LondonGooner
Doctor Yid - As a quick aside, I wasn't on vital spurs giving it the big 'un, never have done either it was a cordial coversation and I heavily criticized the referee. I generally keep things polite until, inevitably, one of your fellow spuddies starts shouting his mouth off and coating gooners.
LondonGooner
Typical, we have Diarra, Flamini, Gilberto and Palacios on trial. 12 months later (or whatever) we have none! LOL Only at Arsenal could this happen.
LondonGooner
Typical, we have Diarra, Flamini, Gilberto and Palacios on trial. 12 months later (or whatever) we have none! LOL Only at Arsenal could this happen.
LondonGooner
true pity you can never tell, same thing with defoe, wasnt playin then next season berba an keane left.
123spurs
true pity you can never tell, same thing with defoe, wasnt playin then next season berba an keane left.
123spurs
cockeril, that is wrong. If anything, that is the last position we need to add to. Denilson and Song have been fantastic this season. But you constantly are told that Arsenal are an attacking team with great talent, but we need a "Vieira" figure etc. We have been poor. I mean, this is the least Arsenal-like team I ahve seen since Wenger took over. We have average strikers and poor wing play. Our defence has not been fantastic, but they are put under soo much rpessure due to our poor ball keeping. Replace Walcott with Stephen Ireland in the team and sqap Adebayor for Bendtner/Eduardo and we play better.
Tom14
cockeril, that is wrong. If anything, that is the last position we need to add to. Denilson and Song have been fantastic this season. But you constantly are told that Arsenal are an attacking team with great talent, but we need a "Vieira" figure etc. We have been poor. I mean, this is the least Arsenal-like team I ahve seen since Wenger took over. We have average strikers and poor wing play. Our defence has not been fantastic, but they are put under soo much rpessure due to our poor ball keeping. Replace Walcott with Stephen Ireland in the team and sqap Adebayor for Bendtner/Eduardo and we play better.
Tom14
If you're a player it's probably a negative, but for those wondering how the hell we'll do without football in the summer, Arsenal's first CL Qualifier will be on the 14th/15th July, which gives us only a six week break. Bad news for my bank account though.
Little Dutch
If you're a player it's probably a negative, but for those wondering how the hell we'll do without football in the summer, Arsenal's first CL Qualifier will be on the 14th/15th July, which gives us only a six week break. Bad news for my bank account though.
Little Dutch
LondonGooner - Mere symantics mate and in all fairness a pretty irrelevant argument. Once again perhaps you should look closer to home before spouting your funny quips... I'll respond with a question of my own: How many minutes did Utd need to score 2 against you........?
Doctor Yid
LondonGooner - Mere symantics mate and in all fairness a pretty irrelevant argument. Once again perhaps you should look closer to home before spouting your funny quips... I'll respond with a question of my own: How many minutes did Utd need to score 2 against you........?
Doctor Yid
95 minutes if you want to count their first 2 goals in the CL semi final.......
LondonGooner
Squiddly the reserves league is no indicator of what we have coming through. Unlike some other teams, who will field multi-million pound first team flops, for the most part we field players of 18 or so in the reserves that also play in our youth teams. You could take a look at the Academy youth team league as an indicator where we have going on for twice as many points as the 2nd place team.
Amos.
95 minutes if you want to count their first 2 goals in the CL semi final.......
LondonGooner
Squiddly the reserves league is no indicator of what we have coming through. Unlike some other teams, who will field multi-million pound first team flops, for the most part we field players of 18 or so in the reserves that also play in our youth teams. You could take a look at the Academy youth team league as an indicator where we have going on for twice as many points as the 2nd place team.
Amos.
Doctor Yid - Talking of looking closer to home, I do, but everytime I look down the seven sisters road I always ahave a huge grin on my face, being your neighbours is a deeply rewarding thing indeed.
LondonGooner
Doctor Yid - Talking of looking closer to home, I do, but everytime I look down the seven sisters road I always ahave a huge grin on my face, being your neighbours is a deeply rewarding thing indeed.
LondonGooner
LD - which of the United players acknowledged the Arsenal fans applauding them at the end? Also, did Fergie acknowledge the applauding?
Gooner_Vin
LondonGooner - fair enough, at the time your comments wound me up and i waited patiently for retribution... all in good nature of course!
Doctor Yid
LD - which of the United players acknowledged the Arsenal fans applauding them at the end? Also, did Fergie acknowledge the applauding?
Gooner_Vin
LondonGooner - fair enough, at the time your comments wound me up and i waited patiently for retribution... all in good nature of course!
Doctor Yid
doctor Yid - There is a massive difference between debate and abuse, i rarely if ever go that route unless dealing with a complete mong. There is good chat going on in both of these forums always liberally sprinkled with the usual selection halfwits and were all better off keeping it that way! Of course it's gonna wind you up fella, im a gooner, your a yid, it's in the genes LOL
LondonGooner
doctor Yid - There is a massive difference between debate and abuse, i rarely if ever go that route unless dealing with a complete mong. There is good chat going on in both of these forums always liberally sprinkled with the usual selection halfwits and were all better off keeping it that way! Of course it's gonna wind you up fella, im a gooner, your a yid, it's in the genes LOL
LondonGooner
Very true LG... nothing winds me up more than Gooner comments after being spanked 5-2! Ah well, it's been emotional my Gooner Scumbag friends, I'm off to buy the DVD of last night's game... must be in the Spurs club shop by now surely :-D
Doctor Yid
Very true LG... nothing winds me up more than Gooner comments after being spanked 5-2! Ah well, it's been emotional my Gooner Scumbag friends, I'm off to buy the DVD of last night's game... must be in the Spurs club shop by now surely :-D
Doctor Yid
lol
LondonGooner
lol
LondonGooner
Arsenal play kids in the Reserve league? So what? Chelsea play 16 and 17 year olds in the reserves and are still ahead of Arsenal there. What's your point? Mine is that Arsenal could once have claimed something for the kids(tm) and now don't even have that. Think about it. This isn't an oppo fan speaking, just a rationalist. Accept it or not, it doesn't matter. In a couple of years a Europa Cup place will be a success and for reasons staring you in the face this season. Whether Wenger choses to retire so you can pretend it's because he left, or if he faces the music for his own failings, I can only wait and see. I think he'll cut and run (aka bumped upstairs).
Squiddy
Arsenal play kids in the Reserve league? So what? Chelsea play 16 and 17 year olds in the reserves and are still ahead of Arsenal there. What's your point? Mine is that Arsenal could once have claimed something for the kids(tm) and now don't even have that. Think about it. This isn't an oppo fan speaking, just a rationalist. Accept it or not, it doesn't matter. In a couple of years a Europa Cup place will be a success and for reasons staring you in the face this season. Whether Wenger choses to retire so you can pretend it's because he left, or if he faces the music for his own failings, I can only wait and see. I think he'll cut and run (aka bumped upstairs).
Squiddy
Squiddy - our reserves cost next to nothing, teams like Spurs and Chelsea regularly play multi million pound squad players in their reserve teams.
LondonGooner
Squiddy - our reserves cost next to nothing, teams like Spurs and Chelsea regularly play multi million pound squad players in their reserve teams.
LondonGooner
Reserve team league tables mean little in the way of which direction a club is travelling in. A team with a lot of very average players can perform better than a team containing one or two phenominal talents, but ultimately the reserve team with the phenominal talent is going to benefit more because we're not looking to get full squads from the reserves and academies, just players to integrate into the team, and our track record in producing great players is second to none, especially not Chelsea.
Rocky7
Reserve team league tables mean little in the way of which direction a club is travelling in. A team with a lot of very average players can perform better than a team containing one or two phenominal talents, but ultimately the reserve team with the phenominal talent is going to benefit more because we're not looking to get full squads from the reserves and academies, just players to integrate into the team, and our track record in producing great players is second to none, especially not Chelsea.
Rocky7
I think you need to look a little carefully at the reserves table squiddle if you are claiming rationality. Chelsea are only 3 points ahead of us having played 2 games more. In any case Chelsea field more first team players with their kids. So far we have only played a recuperating Eduardo and Silvestre in 2 games and Ramsey one. My point is that to allay your concerns about Arsenal kids take a look at the way we are dominating the youth leagues - no one within 35 points of us. One of the benefits of also fielding them in the reserves side. Whereas other than getting them fit the reserves provide no worthwhile competition for 1st team players - its just somewhere to park them before they are sold in the summer.
Amos.
I think you need to look a little carefully at the reserves table squiddle if you are claiming rationality. Chelsea are only 3 points ahead of us having played 2 games more. In any case Chelsea field more first team players with their kids. So far we have only played a recuperating Eduardo and Silvestre in 2 games and Ramsey one. My point is that to allay your concerns about Arsenal kids take a look at the way we are dominating the youth leagues - no one within 35 points of us. One of the benefits of also fielding them in the reserves side. Whereas other than getting them fit the reserves provide no worthwhile competition for 1st team players - its just somewhere to park them before they are sold in the summer.
Amos.
Chelsea don't even park unwanted players in their reserves. They usually send them out on loan to Serie A clubs and offer to pay their salaries until their contracts are up, a la Veron, Crespo, Shevchenko.
Little Dutch
Chelsea don't even park unwanted players in their reserves. They usually send them out on loan to Serie A clubs and offer to pay their salaries until their contracts are up, a la Veron, Crespo, Shevchenko.
Little Dutch
Squiddy - the academy / youth team fella - thats where you want to be looking at league tables.
Gunnerman
Squiddy - the academy / youth team fella - thats where you want to be looking at league tables.
Gunnerman
I'm so devastated that I can't even bring myself to eat my meals since last night, but logged on just now and read the article and the posts and I've been lifted by the experience. To my neighbours, the spuds, I promise not to abuse anyone on your site again,(unless I'm responding to their usual abuse) I now know exactly how you must feel and its not a good feeling. Hope springs eternal however, and I'm sure by the time a post mortem is conducted, the manager and board will realise just how little we need to do to strenghten what is already a pretty decent team. Like LG said, looking down the road is pretty encouraging and enough reason to thank God as it could have been much worse, but I just don't want a repeat of last night again. Ever.
deledudu
I'm so devastated that I can't even bring myself to eat my meals since last night, but logged on just now and read the article and the posts and I've been lifted by the experience. To my neighbours, the spuds, I promise not to abuse anyone on your site again,(unless I'm responding to their usual abuse) I now know exactly how you must feel and its not a good feeling. Hope springs eternal however, and I'm sure by the time a post mortem is conducted, the manager and board will realise just how little we need to do to strenghten what is already a pretty decent team. Like LG said, looking down the road is pretty encouraging and enough reason to thank God as it could have been much worse, but I just don't want a repeat of last night again. Ever.
deledudu
Believe me deledudu you don't know how a spud is feeling. We would have to go at least another 43 years without a title to fully understand their pain.
Amos.
Believe me deledudu you don't know how a spud is feeling. We would have to go at least another 43 years without a title to fully understand their pain.
Amos.
Good balanced write up LD. There is some distance from the game, but my initial feelings abt the squad have not been allayed. I fear for the spine of this squad and I dont think they're mentally tough enough. Thats evident whenever it comes to the big games. We can talk abt what Wenger needs to do in the summer later on (God knows there will be time for that) but I was left deeply disappointed at our response to going 2 goals down. There was no pride to play for, no fight left, not even in the 2nd half when Wenger & Cesc would have had time to rally the troops at half time.
prits
Good balanced write up LD. There is some distance from the game, but my initial feelings abt the squad have not been allayed. I fear for the spine of this squad and I dont think they're mentally tough enough. Thats evident whenever it comes to the big games. We can talk abt what Wenger needs to do in the summer later on (God knows there will be time for that) but I was left deeply disappointed at our response to going 2 goals down. There was no pride to play for, no fight left, not even in the 2nd half when Wenger & Cesc would have had time to rally the troops at half time.
prits
The most gut-wrenching day I have expereinced in red and white... over the past few years I've been there to watch us lose 4-0 at Old Trafford, 5-1 to the spuds, and last month to Chelsea at Wembley but this was all that rolled into one and worse. I think though that LD's last sentence sums up where we are though - small steps to complete the giant leap! All we can do is wait and see how Wenger reacts. I believe he is totally gutted and will provide an answer to our situation even though he's denied major changes were needed. I can't wait for the summer to come and go... and jsut hope that we can take maximum points from our last 3 games so our team get a lift.
Andy-bayor
The most gut-wrenching day I have expereinced in red and white... over the past few years I've been there to watch us lose 4-0 at Old Trafford, 5-1 to the spuds, and last month to Chelsea at Wembley but this was all that rolled into one and worse. I think though that LD's last sentence sums up where we are though - small steps to complete the giant leap! All we can do is wait and see how Wenger reacts. I believe he is totally gutted and will provide an answer to our situation even though he's denied major changes were needed. I can't wait for the summer to come and go... and jsut hope that we can take maximum points from our last 3 games so our team get a lift.
Andy-bayor
Tom14 you have a short memory, Adebayor was the main reason why you did not miss Henry. He gave you guys a new dimension with his heading ability and strength. IMO you are a better team for it but just need to get the blend right. You have lost and have missing too many strong characters i.e Veira, Gilberto, Flamini, Galas (injured), Lehman etc. You need quality leadership in the middle not wingers. You already have Wallcott, Rosciky, Arshavin,Nasri, Van Persie and Eboue(ouch!) who can all play the flanks.
cockeril
Tom14 you have a short memory, Adebayor was the main reason why you did not miss Henry. He gave you guys a new dimension with his heading ability and strength. IMO you are a better team for it but just need to get the blend right. You have lost and have missing too many strong characters i.e Veira, Gilberto, Flamini, Galas (injured), Lehman etc. You need quality leadership in the middle not wingers. You already have Wallcott, Rosciky, Arshavin,Nasri, Van Persie and Eboue(ouch!) who can all play the flanks.
cockeril
Great Article LD, thanks for telling it like it was, but as for the fans that left before the end of the game. Well a few leave before the end of the game at every game! But I think that those who left Tuesday night were just hurting and in shock as we were blown away over the 2 legs. We've got to realised that we really missed a chance of two Finals, due to Arsene's wrong decisions. In the FA Cup semi, he didn't play Arshavin in the starting line-up, then in the 1st leg at OT, he played players out of position. Also we need a stronger squad and yes some players who may be nearly or even 30, who can come into our team and help give these on the pitch! Yes, we did beat Chelski and Man utd but we had a stronger team out on the pitch against them.
hackneyval
Great Article LD, thanks for telling it like it was, but as for the fans that left before the end of the game. Well a few leave before the end of the game at every game! But I think that those who left Tuesday night were just hurting and in shock as we were blown away over the 2 legs. We've got to realised that we really missed a chance of two Finals, due to Arsene's wrong decisions. In the FA Cup semi, he didn't play Arshavin in the starting line-up, then in the 1st leg at OT, he played players out of position. Also we need a stronger squad and yes some players who may be nearly or even 30, who can come into our team and help give these on the pitch! Yes, we did beat Chelski and Man utd but we had a stronger team out on the pitch against them.
hackneyval
Cockerel, I agree that Ade is a good member of the side and adds a different dimension to the team (at least until Bentdner surpasses him). But I donít really buy into Ade being the hero of last season (or the villain this season for that matter). Put simply, Ade scored 30 goals last season because he had a midfield (of rosicky/cesc/flamini/hleb) that were passing through opposition during the first half of the season Ė all he needed to do was make a few runs, stay onside and bag a couple of the half dozen chances that were created for him. This season the midfield has been poor and has rarely passed teams into submission or created the shear glut of chances that we were creating last season. As a result Adeís goal return per game has dropped dramatically. But I do agree this team needs leadership (particularly in the centre of the park). While I rate Denilson and Song the reason I feel we still miss Flamini/Gilberto is in the leadership and experience that they offered.
NoFitState
Cockerel, I agree that Ade is a good member of the side and adds a different dimension to the team (at least until Bentdner surpasses him). But I donít really buy into Ade being the hero of last season (or the villain this season for that matter). Put simply, Ade scored 30 goals last season because he had a midfield (of rosicky/cesc/flamini/hleb) that were passing through opposition during the first half of the season Ė all he needed to do was make a few runs, stay onside and bag a couple of the half dozen chances that were created for him. This season the midfield has been poor and has rarely passed teams into submission or created the shear glut of chances that we were creating last season. As a result Adeís goal return per game has dropped dramatically. But I do agree this team needs leadership (particularly in the centre of the park). While I rate Denilson and Song the reason I feel we still miss Flamini/Gilberto is in the leadership and experience that they offered.
NoFitState
is anyone else tired of hearing we will learn from this, we will be better next year because of this, its the same ***** every year but nothing changes....
lukychmz
is anyone else tired of hearing we will learn from this, we will be better next year because of this, its the same ***** every year but nothing changes....
lukychmz
The thing that hurt the most for me was the lack of urgency from some of our players . We all watched how Barcalona pressed the ball and the imposed their way of playing on Chelsea. I know this will not be popular but that is what a Captain is supposed to do. It is well documented about the players that have left. I hope Wenger can see that dismissing a player over 30 is a mistake. If we had kept hold of Gilberto , Pires and Sol Campbell we might have stood a chance. I want to stay positive but I am really gutted by what happened the other night. I just hope we dont get turned over on Sunday. COME ON U GUNNERS.
King Kolo
The thing that hurt the most for me was the lack of urgency from some of our players . We all watched how Barcalona pressed the ball and the imposed their way of playing on Chelsea. I know this will not be popular but that is what a Captain is supposed to do. It is well documented about the players that have left. I hope Wenger can see that dismissing a player over 30 is a mistake. If we had kept hold of Gilberto , Pires and Sol Campbell we might have stood a chance. I want to stay positive but I am really gutted by what happened the other night. I just hope we dont get turned over on Sunday. COME ON U GUNNERS.
King Kolo
Sunday should be an interesting game LOL both teams in the best frame of minds and don't like each other at the best of times. I sense a quite angry match coming up!
LondonGooner
Your clubs problem is that your defense is lower table quality and it totally nullifies teh capability of what you can do when attacking the goal....one sure thing with Arsenal is that you will score goals against a very very leaky defense. Until you ort out your defense your club will never win a trophy.
I Bling Red
Against man u it highlighted to me how Arshavin is such a massivly important player to us even thou he has less than half a season under his belt. Attacking wise i cannot remember a time we have played so poorly when hes has been in the starting line up. One things for sure the game at old trafford will not be so one sided if arshavin is in the team. I hope wenger drops Adebayor against chelsea as i feel over the 2 legs he was a "f***ing disgrace" lol
gunner24
One thing that I am positively dissapointed about is the lack of games for Vela. I don't know about anyone else but I remember being so excited last season when he came back from his loan period in Spain. It seemed to me everyone was saying what a super prospect this guy is.Why bring him back here if he is not going to used effectively ? With Absence of Eduardo I would have hoped that Vela would have got a lot more chances than he did.
radarman
why is it that bendtner gets the boo's for messing up and walcott hits cross after cross to no one and he gets a standing ovation when taken off, hes been quite useless for the last two months tbh, sell adebayor please and give bendtner his chance
lukychmz
Bendtner does get a bum rap from the "less knowledgeable" fans. When you see the effort and comittment he puts in aswell as having a standing leap 2nd to none in the Premiership you realise when he plays well he brings so much more to the team than Adebayor does on the infrequent occasions he can be bothered to turn up. Bendtner is also a better footballer than Adebayor alround, although Ade is a better athlete.
LondonGooner
LondonGooner: Your reserves don't cost nothing. They cost an absolute packet. Transfer fees are always kep secret, but we know first teamers aren't being paid a lot. So why do you think Arse's wages are more even than Liverpool's. It's not rocket science. Arse refuse to compete at 1st team level, they're losing the battle at reserve level, the way they get players into the club is through massive wages at youth level - the only place Arse are competitive for transfer fees and wages. Any mug can work that out. Where else do you think these wages are going? Arsene's bungs (a possibility, I accept).
Squiddy
Oh, Rocky and Amos, please don't insult yourselves by arguing the toss over whether you're 3rd or 4th from bottom of the reserve league (now 2 pts behind Chelsea with one game left after managing a draw against the bottom club). You used to be top of it by a mile. Now all those kids who were top have graduated to the 1st team and you're hanging on by your fingertips to a CL qualifying place. When current kids come through you'll be out of the top half of the table altogether. Don't complain to me that the emperor has no clothes. He'll still be naked even if I don't point it out. But congrats for all your trophies this season. Youth Cup and a treble for the Ladies team. That's the most you can expect for years to come. Come on the Arse Ladies. They're better than the Arse Ladyboys for sure.
Squiddy
 

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