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What Do Pavlyuchenko & Adebayor Have In Common?

Mornin,

I'll start with 'news' from the Daily Mail who suggest that Spurs have offered us Roman Pavlyuchenko in exchange for money (£6 million!)

The very same Roman Pavlyuchenko that cost Tottenham a whole £13.8 million and scored a whopping whole 1 league goal last year.

If there is even an ounce of truth in this report, which there almost certainly isn't, then I think we can all agree that we hope Arséne's response is the same as if Spurs had offered us David Bentley after he'd had both of his legs mangled in a freak combine harvester accident.
The only concievable use I can see for Pavyluchenko is if we melted him down and used him as a doorstop.

On to more plausible news now and the London Standard reports that Phillippe Senderos will be allowed to leave in this transfer window.

As much as I like Phillippe, and I do (a bit), it seems clear that with the purchase of Vermaelen his time is quite likely to be up. However, the amount of times we found ourselves short at the back with defensive injuries last season suggests that Phil could still be of some use and I hope that should he leave, Arséne has sold him because he feels Senderos doesn't have the required quality rather than because he thinks that we have too many defenders.

George Graham criticises Arséne for 'giving up on Adebayor too soon'.

Quote: "If you have a great player and are having a problem with him you have to get into his head until it suits you.

"Alex Ferguson is a past master of getting around players and getting an extra year or two out of them before letting them go."

The Alex Ferguson referred to here is presumably the same Alex Ferguson who got rid of David Beckham, Jaap Stam and Ruud Van Nistelrooy almost immediately after he took a personal dislike to them, rather than in the case of Adebayor, who in an interview with Football Focus, had gone on national TV and criticised the fans, Wenger's tactics and expressed interest in leaving the club.

I think we can all agree here that George is a bitter trouble mongering arse who, after his part in the Rune Hauge scandal, should be ignored when offering any form of opinion on a manager's transfer dealings whereas Adebayor had made his grave and had to lie in it with his actions.

That's yer lot for today

Tristan




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Date:Wednesday July 22 2009

Time: 12:17PM

Your Comments

I don't think Graham always gets full credit for the good things he did for the club but he doesn't help to change that with half-arsed declarations like the one above. Ask Kevin Richardson, Anders Limpar, Michael Thomas and David Rocastle just how much extra George was able to get out of them blessed as he was with such an abundance of man management skills.
Amos.
Allied to that, Ferguson sold Ronaldo this summer did he not? You could also mention Paul Davis in that list Amos, who Graham did not speak to for 18 months after the Benfica defeat.
Little Dutch
Tristan, that link to Ade's Football Focus interview just leads you back to this same page, there's no Ade interview. I'm always torn when Graham comes out with these criticisms of Arsene. I can't stand his comments and wish he'd just shut the hell up but I don't like bashing him because of his real achievements at Arsenal. I've always wondered if there isn't a bit of jealousy or resentment on Graham's part toward Arsene.
jaelle
I would rate George Graham behind Herbert Chapman and Arsene Wenger as our all time best manager, ahead of Bertie Mee (George had a big hand in the equaliser in the final 1971 which helps to elevate him for me). Even so his comments can be very annoying and unhelpful but, presumably, he has to come up with something interesting in order to get his money.
Sir Henry
They're both $h1t?
Gleeson_23
Nice piece Tristan. I actually think that Pavlyuchenko would do well for us. He is a ' confidence ' player, needing an arm around him sometimes and a decent run of games. He does know where the goal is, and with better players around him, such as AA, RVP,Cesc and Tomas, he would have a dtring of chances to convert. With regards to George Graham, for me, he is a Legend. However, I would have thought his spare time could be used more effectively by finding a job.
Cockney Rich
The links have ben fixed :)
Rocky7
Bendtner is SOOOO much better than Pav.
Tom14
So is Francis Jeffers Tom!
Rocky7
Alright Tom14, Bendtner I can take. But Rocky7, Francis Jeffers ? Come on now.
Cockney Rich
Am I right in thinkning the Pav an Arsharvin don't get on?
PENZ
Was just joshin CR - Kinda. What I'm saying is that Franics Jeffers wasn't good enough for Arsenal, and neither is Pav
Rocky7
I think that was a slightly misinterperuted quote PENZ. I think Arshavin just meant to say that it wasn't important that they would be at rival clubs - he didn't really mean to say he didn't like him. But I'd much rather have Bendtner, Arshavin, Eduardo or even Vela than Pav. No point signing a striker unless he's real 1st team calibre.
ArsenalRob
I agree with Rich, I can see AW being able to get the best out of Pavlyuchenko, I'd be quite pleased if we signed him for less than £7 million. I think he has talent and can cope with the physical side of the game and might just need more time and confidence to adjust to the premiership.
jubair
We've already got Bendtner and Senderos suffering with confidence issues and I don't see how bringing in another player with those problems will help. They would both need games to satisfy their needs, but there's only one slot alongsie RvP, and that will sometimes be filled with Arshavin. Then we'd need to give Eduardo, Walcott and Vela a few games, too. It's not worth it IMO. If we're going to sign a striker, it has to be one with undoubted quality, even if he isn't known as a world-beater just yet.
ArsenalRob
I do take your point Rob, but a couple of goals in a couple of games, and Pav is back to the player he was before Sp*rs signed him. I know TH14 was, and still is a VERY different player to Pav, but he still had confidence issues at Juve. Then with AW's arm around him, and more chances being created for him, well, you know what happened.
Cockney Rich
I agree he'd be a better player here than he is with the spuds but I'd rather not push our other players down the order. As for Thierry, like you say, he was a special case, and I'm not sure the his issues at Juve were quite the same as Pav's. I think it was more to do with Lippi asking him to be a different player to the one he wanted to be. I suppose we can't be sure though.
ArsenalRob
right, david beckham, ruud van nistelrooy and Jap staam were both kicked out of the team becuase FERGUSON was buliding a new team and so no need for them, you see if Daivd Beckham played for Arsenal, and Wenger wanted to seel Beckham, you arsenal fans would have an instant heart attack, becuase NO MATTER WHAT, if a player is liked by arsenal fans, they can do no wrong. And what do Pavulychenko and Adebayor have in common? NOTHING what do Arsenal fans and Hypocrites have in common? Arsenal Fans are hypocrites, the only reason adebayor went out on national TV and trashed you fans, is because you're nothing but bullies who lack a full understanding off football. and when adebayor knockes you out of the top 4 with city, what will you say?
Munasheonly7
CR might have a point only if we do not get to buy Huntelaar or Chamakh. I have watched Pav a few times and thought he was talented. Obviously a genius like AW would bring out the best in him. In anycase this is all speculation!!!
phreddy
This just in- Munasheonly7 has been captured by men with big nets and taken back to his safe place.
elbondo
Just a quick note - Your main angle for this article (for most of which is nothing to do with Pavluchenko or Adebayor) is that Roman only scored one league goal for Spurs last year. Shocking bit of research - He scored 5 league goals and 9 in domestic cups, making 14 altogether if you couldn't add it up. The only two arsenal players who scored more than Pav last season were Adebayor (16) and Van Persie (20), and one of those has left already! Good luck gooners. Absolute joke of an article.
jameswalsham
Bendtner scored 15.
Tom14
Forgive me, you are correct - Bendtner did score 15 goals last season. However, with an extra 18 appearances (50 compared to 32) and experience in the premier league prior to the 08/09 campaign kicking off, I think it shows that Pav is a bigger prospect for the coming season than Bendtner. No?
jameswalsham
Not really because Pav is 27, Bendtner is 21. Bendtner improved dramatically over the course of the season (Arsenal top scorer in 2009) and he is more likely to have a sustained run in the team this year.
Tom14
A fair point, however looking at goals to games ratio, Bendtner is shocking. Averaging a goal every 3.33 games is hardly going to allow him to break into the first team on a regular basis with the likes of Van Persie, Nasri, Arshavin, Velo and Eduardo all in the running. His best shot is to impress whilst Nasri is out. Pav, on the other hand, has a G2G ratio rivalling that of Torres, beating Adebayor, Bent, Crouch, Drogba, Agbonlahor... the list goes on. The point I'm trying to make is that Pav shouldn't be sold, plain and simple. This season will be interesting to say the least.
jameswalsham
Oh, and to continue the list a little... Berbatov, Tevez, Santa Cruz, Kuyt, Keane, Arshavin - all players valued higher than Pav. He has a better G2G ratio than these guys, spurs really have to give him a chance.
jameswalsham
Bendtner often comes on and plays on the wing, and if he is also subbed on late in the game it gives him less chance to score. Bendtner's conversion rate was 16.1%, Pav's is 12.5%.
Tom14
I'm sorry but i really just can not like Bendtner. He only scores against *****e teams (yeh i know he got 1 against Chelsea, but that hardly helped) The best way i've ever heard someone describe Bendtner is "ball repellent" ...which seems so true. The guy can NOT keep hold of the ball to save his life. He's in the traditional sense a "donkey" of the game. Carlos Vela looks to me to have ten fold the potential NickB does. Vela's touch is class.
FuiKaka
bull shizzle
Tom14
Not really, more like fact ;)
FuiKaka
"Bendtner only scores against *****e teams." But we still need to score against those teams don't we? Considering Villa, Fulham x 2, Man City, Sunderland, Spurs, West Ham and Cardiff all stopped us scoring at various stages this season. Bendtner seems pretty good at sticking the ball in the net, his goals to minutes ratio is up there with any striker in the PL, and far in excess of any striker under 22. Vela looks a decent player, but he still lacks an awful lot of basic football intelligence (you know, like the use of his right foot) and the curriculum vitae of clubs he scored against last season was not exactly illustrious if we're going by the edict "goals only count when scored against Liverpool, United or Chelsea." In which case, Henry's record at Old Trafford, Anfield, Stamford Bridge bears serious scrutiny.
Little Dutch
My main problem with Bedtner is he just can't hold onto the ball. And in the games where we had Ade and/or RVP out for whatever reason, i just got angry watching him lose the ball. I mean as much as we're all not happy about the way Ade played last season at least he was strong enough to hold the ball a lot of the time until support arrived. Bedtner is far from the class of striker we need if we are to maintain our slipping reputation as a club to be feared, and no i'm not rating a player on "goals only count against Liv, Chels and ManU" ...i'm just saying that yeh Bedtner did score some goals, but their goals that would've been scored weather he was playing or not because the teams we were playing were teams we were beating with a depleted squad anyway. He's never going to be the man who scores a screamer against Liverpool to get a draw, or 2 goals against Chelsea to get us the win... he just doesn't have that about him.
FuiKaka
Which 21 year old striker does have that about him? I can't think of one. I'm not saying the guy is world class, though I believe he could be. But as a third choice striker or someone to bring off the bench, he's nearly peerless. 15 goals is a better return than we got out of Kanu and about what we were getting from Wiltord, whose place he has ostensibly taken since we were "a club to be feared." Given that his improvement has been very noticeable and very steep in the past two years, is it not reasonable to assume he will get better still?
Little Dutch
I really just can't see him getting better ...and some 21 year olds do have that about them ...you can see a class player forming at 21 ...we got one ourselves in Cesc, at 21 look at Ronaldo and Messi and anyone else who is going to form into a good player. Now i'm not trying to hope he will be one of the best players in the world ...but watching him play i can't imagine him being of much use at all. I know for a fact there's a lot of Arsenal fans out there who don't rate him, and i figure that number will grow.
FuiKaka
No Georg G is right arsene has been going off the boil for a while .
Uskok
If you're judging every 21 year old player against the barometer of Fabregas and Messi, then there's probably no player in the world that you rate. "I can't imagine him being much use at all." The 15 goals from the bench didn't come in that handy then?
Little Dutch
I find it quite amusing that Arsenal fans see more in Pav than most Spurs! I agree with what your saying! I like him, but he is lacking confidence a change in manager, foreign to english, which may well have confused him some what! Some fans on VitalSpurs think the be all and end all of becoming a good striker in england, but seeing as its like the UN in the Emirates dressing room, that obviously isn't completely true!
Jabberyid
 

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