Mass Hysteria As Eduardo Invents The Dive

Firstly, there was plenty of contact in Istanbul. Gattuso clearly pulled Gerrard. Secondly, I was actually very surprised to see Eduardo dive. It seems 'out of character' but with the punishment handed out to Kyle Lafferty and Dida, I wouldn't be too surprised if Eduardo gets a small ban.

My previous post - so good they show it twice!

...... because if they don't I'm sure as hell Wenger will point out every case of diving to the relevant authorities.

Poor Eduardo's got no chance with our media. He's got 2 things against him: 1) he wears an Arsenal shirt 2) he's a foreigner. I'm fed up at the frankly racist bias of the English media. I saw Gerrard pull off blatant dives at least TWICE last year in CL games and hardly a mention. What a load of hooey about nothing!

I'm not disputing that Gerrard probably did go down a bit easily but Gattuso did pull his shirt. Sometimes, you need to make the most of illegal contact so you can get the decision, something Van Persie regularly does. In all honesty, I don't have a problem with that. Sometimes a foul does need to be made more obvious.

If you're talking to me, Rocky, which video? If you're not talking to me, ignore this and send for the men in white coats. :)

That wasn't a dive - it was worse than that. DIRTY CHEAT.

Aamir - click 2nd the red "see here" in the article. I'm not looking to single Gerrard out in the same way I don't want Eddie singled out .... I just want him to be fairly treated.

Anyone else willing to admit they have dived before? I used to dive on a weekly basis.

Djutts stop talking rubbish. What happened to Dudu last year was FAR WORSE. There isn't one team in Europe that hasn't had a penalty or a free kick on the edge of the box by falling down. Eduardo is being unfairly targeted by bigots.

We have a thread in the forums about how Gooners love to take the ***** out of everything ...... in our site poll Eduardo is currently top of the votes for man of the match. LOL

Diving is a terrible thing in our game and Eduardo was wrong to do it. It annoys me though when players like Ronaldo and Gerrard do it constantly and hardly anything gets said about it. An Arsenal player does it and theres suddenly a huge uproar. Having said that, Gerrard can beat the ***** out of a bloke on camera and get away with it so theres no chance of bringing him to justice for falling over in a penalty area.

That's funny Rocky! Anyway, it seems like this debate is bit like going round in circles. It's got hypocrisy written all over it. No fan can claim their players have never done this. It's the inconsistency of the media reaction that is appalling.

Aamir, UEFA cannot ban Eduardo, there's no legal grounds for it. The rules say the ceiling of punishment for simulation is a yellow card- so they can't ban him by law. Retrospective punishment is a rocky road, it'll effectively be trial by media which is a dangerous precedent. Had Eduardo taken a tumble on Tuesday night, nobody would have been arsed due to the Upton Park trouble- he'd have got away with it in the eyes of the press.

This whole idea about banning him is crazy, as much as i hated seeing him do that, if we start retrospectively banning people who dive, should we go further back and start banning people who dived last season or the season before, why should he be the first to be punished. Maybe we should create a compilation of dives committed by players in the Scottish league, show them to the Scottish FA and ask them to take action!

OK, question for all you blinkered Gooners. A simple Yes or No is needed (one word), if you can manage that... Did he CHEAT???

Well, there you have it. No replies. Quite simple really - the answer is YES. He cheated. Simple. YES HE CHEATED. So, as he plays for Arsenal, then ARSENAL ARE CHEATS?!?! Obviously! The lack of support for Eduardo is deafening because it's impossible to defend him. He CHEATED. ARSENAL CHEATED. There is no response needed.

Go back to your slum DJnonutts. We all know he cheated READ THE ARTICLE. He isnt the 1st and he wont be the last.

Tell us about this one nonutts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmxm0ArnCLg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmxm0ArnCLg This is disguisting as well - why hasn't Winger signed him if he's that good at cheating? He'd fit in perfectly well at Arsenal.

djdutts is clueless illiterate MORON because every gooner here and the article concedes he dived. And since djdutts is already inclined to hate Arsenal, the fact is that cretins like him LOVE the fact that Eduardo dived because it just gives him more ammunition to indulge in his hysterical hatred. I’m quite angry with Eduardo for diving last night because a) there was NO need for it, b) it totally destroys all the goodwill he’d built up since he came to Arsenal, esp. after his leg break and c) he’s given yet more material for all the bigoted hypocrites to use against us, the anti-foreigner/anti-Arsenal brigade who eagerly ignore the good old English boys who repeatedly dive and NEVER get raked over the coals like this. The article by David Hytner in the Guardian is a fine example of this moral hypocrisy. His credibility is totally shot to hell because I’ve NEVER EVER seen him devote an entire article to those good old English boys who “taint” their team’s victories by diving. The utterly predictable xenophobic morally hypocritical reaction is far more disgusting than Eduardo’s dive. This is the same media that has absolutely no problems with horrible career-ending tackles and thugs like Chris Morgan who put opponents into comas. It won’t matter to all the moralizing hypocrites if I say Eduardo doesn’t have a history of diving. Even if he never dives again he now has the reputation of a cheat and a diver. Referees will now look at him with scrutiny and I’m sure one or more legitimate penalties will not be called because of that reputation. I do feel for Celtic, I know how I’d feel if the shoe were on the other foot (and it has been). However I will not accept any moralizing from Liverpool, Man Utd or Chelsea fans (unless they strongly condemn their own players for the same conduct), and certainly not any morally bankrupt pundits who thoroughly ignore cheating from good old English boys like Rooney and Gerrard. Oh–and here’s another fine example of good ol’ English boys cheating and the ensuing media silence: two seasons ago in our league game at Stamford Bridge, Joe Cole dived in the middle of the park, pretending to be injured in order to stop an Arsenal attack. Eboue threw the ball out of play. Terry took the throw in, deliberately and cynically moving quite far up the pitch toward our goal, the referee allowed it. Chelsea scored as a result. I guess that’s just English fair play.

yes they do - why hasn't Whinger signed them all?

how come a player can score a goal four team mates can jump on his back, and he manages to stay on his feet,yet someone gets a a hand on the shoulder, or a little clip and both legs collapse,its all simulated, if rugby players acted the same way there would be no game at all......i believe that the fact the player is awarded a direct free kick from the penalty spot is the real problem,the rewards are too great, perhaps they should give indirect free kicks from where the incidents take place

Yeah, imagine rugby players using simulation, particularly those stalwarts at the Harlequins. :-) (I know what you're saying Fran, just think it's interesting that the rugby world is caught in a cheating storm when we so regularly see this bloocks about rugby's superior integrity).

The reason why no one mentioned anything about Hibbert was because it was a rarity. It doesn't happen normally. The reason why everyone's gone to town on Eduardo, is because it's Arsenal - AGAIN! Cheat. Cheat. Cheat - all the time! That's why! It's the same old Arsenal - it will never change.

How many clear cut diving incidents in the Premiership last season? probably about 50. How many players were awarded a penalty, got up and told the referee it wasnt a penalty? 1, Andrey Arshavin vs Pompey away. now clear off nonutts.

If they ban Eduardo they have to ban every player who dives from now on, if we wanted to ban players for diving Drogba would never play, Ronaldo would of never played. Grow up.

The rules state that a dive is punished with a yellow card if the referee deems it to be simulation. So how would you go back and give him a 2 game ban if he is tricked? I would be happy to see players punished after the game if its within the rules, but you cannot make a rule once the offence has taken place. Why make an example of one player when plenty have been guilty of similar or worse? From a slighty different angle, i was under the conclusion that retrospective action could only take place if the referee has missed the incident, and not if he has made a mistake. In much the same way a yellow card can not be turned in to a red card because the ref has dealt with it

He dived, got away with it, now may be hit retrospectively. Big deal, he is not the first and wont be the last. No point in argueing over him getting a penalty, more that we need to see players that dive in the box getting a red card not yellow when the ref does spot it!

British media have two agendas on this story - 1. To get Eduardo banned or hyped everything as part of so called mind games to influence England Vs Croatia World Cup match. 2. To divert attention from the disgraceful scenes at Upton Park.

good point, I HAVE NOT seen the match, but I've been hearing tons about OH EDUARDO DIVE blah blah blah, I dunno was it THAT BAD. But this is how you look at diving, IT'S 0-0, with a little bit off force you can stay up, THEN STAY UP AND BE STRONG, I play football on academy level, I've very young and I want to make it through the academy and too proffesional, we play HARD, not sissy modeling soccer, HARD, you go into a tackle, LET THE OTHER PLAYER FEEL IT. If somebody's coming HARD at you, you give em a shoulder, BUT on the other hand, it's 1-1, extra time, You're in the box, you're not getting anywhere, you can't produce nothing, and the defenders close too you, SO IT'S WORTH A DIVE, but don't let it become a big part off your game, becuase if you do, you'll become a wimpy player who backs out off challenges, who gets knocked over easily, you'll become a feather, YOU GOT TO BE HARD!!!

Diving isn't sportsmanlike but every team has players who try it. The worst culprit was Ladyboy Ronaldo. But did the Press get on his back the way Eduardo is being witch-hunted? I don't think so. The Press are just short of something to write about at the moment.

To me, there was a little bit of contact. But still, he was probably looking for it. Certainly not the worst dive I have ever seen, by a longshot. Eboue against Barca in the CL final was far worse, as was Rooney against us.

And he has been charged. Ridiculous that someone can be banned for 2 games if the ref hasnt picked up on the dive, yet if he sees it, just a yellow. Its like a bank robber getting 3 years in jail if he is caught in the act, but 10 years if he gets away with it but is caught on CCTV.

as an swfc fan, im quite shocked about this. players like DIDIER DROGBA and CRIDSTIANO RONALDO dove many of times last season and were never charged once.eduardo dives 1 TIME in europe and the media and scottish FA make a big deal about it. i think its totall rubbish and the FA and UEFA need to take a long long at the decision they have made. why not charge ronaldo or drogba with diving multiple times , instead of a bloke who dives once. Also eduardo was very brave going into that tackle noing that he has just returned from a broken leg!!!

I feel for you guys, it's not fair to ban or charge Eduardo because of a simple dive. However, I disagree that people keeps saying Droba is one of the top diver. Yes, he falls down easily, but 99% of the case there're contacts. If like some of you reckon there's tiny little contact between the goalkeeper and Eduardo which makes that not a dive, then I would like to say Drogba is definitely not a diver. He's never dove like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGJU7x7EiXI