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A Message to You Ade

I wanted to keep this piece separate, largely because I want to keep the match report as an objective account on the game. Arsenal`s unrivalled ability to completely go to pieces psychologically when in strong positions in matches will get its own treatment, as well as out schizophrenic defending. (I also won`t avoid the fact that I Iost out on twenty quid today in happier circumstances!) But the celebration that accompanied Adebayor`s goal must be addressed. I`ll admit I am not in the greatest mood, in the last forty eight hours I`ve seen a man rush in to my work reception and stab himself eleven times with a screwdriver and on my way home this evening there were two shootings in Brixton just as my bus home happened to be driving through the area. I suppose in perspective, Adebayor`s brainless actions are small fry. Yet still I am overcome with anger.

I will admit to Arsenal having previous here, I never liked the fact that Henry got so involved with opposing fans and I have often been chided for criticising his infamous celebration against Spurs a few years back. Many have implored me to lighten up, but those that did so were not in the line of fire. My season ticket seat at Highbury was on the Clock End barrier next to the away supporters, Henry`s celebration that day inflamed a lot of people within striking distance of me and my mother and we largely spent what should have been a time of celebration anxiously looking left. Likewise Gary Neville celebrated a goal scored in front of 73,000 United fans by turning and running towards 3,000 Liverpool fans. Actions such as those inflame already bruised moods and cause a genuine security concern, which the likes of Neville, Henry and Adebayor will never know about as they are ushered away from grounds in bulletproof, chauffeur driven limos. Adebayor was always going to stick from the Arsenal fans today; the fact that he is too deluded to understand why says more about him as a character than it does us a set of fans. Toure was given a warm round of applause and had his name sung, a gesture he acknowledged with typical humility and gratitude before refocusing on the game at hand. In many ways, it was inevitable Adebayor would score, the booing and the chants of "We`ve got Arshavin, fuck Adebayor" were always going to be a bit self defeating. It`s amusing that Adebayor has spent the last week eulogising his love for his new fans, yet when he scored he pointedly ignored every single one of them and raced eighty yards to the people he professed to have forgotten about. I can only condemn those that threw objects at him, bottles, coins and even seats made their way onto the pitch. Whilst not negating the responsibility of those who did so, the reaction was incredibly obvious and one the player knew he was going to provoke. The melee in the front rows of the lower tier lasted a long time and it is to the eternal credit of the City stewards that they stopped any Arsenal fans getting onto the pitch. I can only tell you that had a few successfully negotiated the barrier, Adebayor wouldn`t be walking for a little while. If he has any humility-and he hasn`t, this much is true- he`ll thank those stewards warmly. I doubt the stewards will afford him much affection for the difficulty he created in their afternoon. I would have understood a finger to the lips on the way back to the centre circle or a cock of the ear. That would have been fair enough really. Teddy Sheringham took a lot of stick from Arsenal fans over the years and always responded with humour and wit. (Like the time he mimicked lifting the European Cup in front of us in the 1999 Charity Shield).

Adebayor`s reaction was totally irresponsible and it is my belief that incitement to riot is an arrestable offence under UK Law. Goading already obviously disappointed people is not an excusable reaction from a man paid vast, vast sums of money to behave in a professional manner on a football pitch. His actions endangered everybody in the away section and injuries were clearly visible. Despite the fact that a man was quite clearly being treated pitch side having been hurt, Adebayor again turned to the away fans and sarcastically applauded at the final whistle. He tried to make his way over to us again, despite the fact that people were clearly in distress, exacerbating a powder keg he had created and further inflaming the situation and endangering spectator safety. The referee had to usher him away. One cannot use the excuse of emotion on that occasion, he had not just taken leave of his senses having scored a well taken and crucial goal, he had seen the trouble and injury his first brainwave had bought, yet he went ahead and did it again anyway. That leaves the realms of irresponsible and becomes just plain malicious.

Meanwhile, we supporters then have to go outside and co mingle; with tempers frayed and emotions at boiling point. Emmanuel Adebayor got a police escort back to his Cheshire mansion. Fortunately, there was no trouble outside and the police did an excellent job in ensuring no flashpoints could occur in a potentially combustible situation. I`m sure the Manchester Police will also not thank Adebayor for the extra work his moral arrogance gave them this afternoon. If Adebayor was a human being with the moral aptitude and self awareness to demonstrate contrition, he would apologise to the police and the stewards today. But evidence of Adebayor`s increasing delusion have been plain to see for quite some time now and I scarcely believe his thoughts have meandered away from himself in the last twelve months now. Adebayor has also ensured that the return fixture will require extra security planning. Amazingly, Manchester City attempted to stoke the fires further by ludicrously and triumphantly announcing Adebayor as man of the match. Even if that ridiculous assertion were somewhere approaching true and not just a childish attempt at a lame wind up (remember those Tevez posters?), they should have shown enough awareness of the situation in the away end to keep it schtum rather than pouring kerosene onto the flames. Robin van Persie made his feelings clear as he came over to acknowledge the away support, pointing clearly at Adebayor- stood ten yards behind him- and mouthing "wanker" a good few times. Childish of him perhaps but it actually cooled some tempers around me to see that someone else recognised it.

Most people will condemn the reaction of the Arsenal fans and I can understand that in a way. But it`s very easy to make distant observations at times like this. There`s something more explosive when you`re in the ground, the grinding disappointment of seeing your team concede a goal which will lose them an important game, despair at the appalling marking of your defenders, the realisation that a player and a man you have no time for has dealt that bitter blow and 43,000 opposing fans turning and letting you know about it. It`s not nice, but we`re all grown ups, we`ve all enjoyed the reverse situation (I know I let a few Chelsea fans know about it when Gallas scored against them eighteen months ago) and you`ve little choice but to swallow it. However, with all of the above picking away at you, the sight of a fully grown man running towards you to rub your nose in it tests even the mildest temper. That doesn`t mean you have license to throw things and behave like an idiot, but it doesn`t take the brightest brain to work out that otherwise decent men can snap. Footballers as deluded as Adebayor have absolutely no idea how uncomfortable such over the top reactions make these situations for spectators. Adebayor ran towards us with full police and steward protection, it`s akin to teasing caged lions at the zoo. The Arsenal fans that idiotically tried to run towards him to return the gesture were not granted the same liberty and privilege Adebayor enjoyed. I`d liken it to punching someone whose hands are bound behind their back. Adebayor`s ultimate stupidity is that he has taken a lot of the focus from the fact that he scored a crucial goal in a massive victory for his team. Players really need to begin to engage their brains slightly and understand the sorts of dangers they put people in when they act so hatefully. Perhaps if Adebayor had been made to travel home via public transport minutes after the match he would think twice before doing this again. Banter between players and supporters is a fantastic part of watching live football and should not diminish, but there are lines of what is acceptable and Adebayor hatefully ran a good eighty yards over that line and skidded on his knees on the other side, much as Henry did in 2002 against Spurs. Cock an ear or put a finger to lips by all means, but inciting incidences such as this on not one, but two occasions, is incredibly sad and desperate. If I were Mark Hughes I would be having quiet words as this sort of attitude will garner more retribution than it will awards. It`s also a great shame that, as a result of his actions, Toure wasn`t allowed to venture over to the Arsenal fans at the final whistle. It is perhaps ironic that, if I remember correctly, it was he who pulled Adebayor away after his goal celebration. As for the City fans, you have every right to enjoy your victory today and lord it over us. We`re all big boys here. But for the long term, Iwill ask you one favour. Return to this page in twelve months time and tell us what you think of Adebayor then. The match report will follow tomorrow.LD.




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The Journalist

Writer: Tim Stillman Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday September 13 2009

Time: 12:54AM

Your Comments

ade...well done today and you should have jumped in the crowd after scoring and kicked some sense into them mindless arsenal fans who gave you nothing but abuse all day....great goal and forget about arsenal now because you have a new home at city and we know you have found the club you need to grow and 4 goals in 4 games shows your a class player and them baffoons at arsenal are just idiots who was on the border of racism today and we can understand what you did. arsenal are on the ropes now and we are going to chop the russian down
Mike Hunt
Racism? What like when Adebayor said Arsenal's Jamaican and American fansare all fairweather? Jesus you are simple. Like I said Mike, come back next August and tell us what you think of Adebayor then.
Little Dutch
I should also point out that the City fans were fine again today as they always are. Don't take deluded *****e from Mike Hunt to be the norm from them, they're still pretty sound.
Little Dutch
Wow, just seen Adebayor's stamp on van Persie properly. Classy gent. I particularly like the why he didn't apologise, on the pitch or subsequently post match.
Little Dutch
You know what, youre spot on LD. And i really mean it. As much as i hate Arsenal players, fans and manager - Adebayor is a total cock, you were certainly not racist and he should be punished for 2games as his actions were just as if not more unsporting and as unprofessional as Eduardos.
HuddersfieldYiddo
It does seem strange watching the red half of north london hate on a player like this. Ade reminds me of Sol Campbell. Deluded. Imagine your feeling towards Adebayor, times it by 100 and you are somewhere close towards the Spurs resentment towards Sol Campbell. His betrayal was much worse and most of you found it funny. Strangely aswell, to this day many of you see him as an Arsenal legend despite being just as much of a cock.
HuddersfieldYiddo
Sol won the double - Ade won't get near that HY mate.
shewore
I can feel your hurt, Tim. I was boiling too. Nothing more than to take it on the chin and move on. Sad times for the supporters. We need a response from the only voice we have - the team. They need to respond for the supporters.
Sajit
A quick word of appreciation for Toure. Good player. Great man. Love you, Kolo.
Sajit
listen...you are all just so bitter that your top4 place has now gone but get used to it because you wont get it back for a long time because you prefer to pay your debts off than buy players and your jealous
Mike Hunt
Mike, I warned you on another article, and I'll do it here too. Feel free to post on Vital Arsenal as long as it stays somewhat reasonable and you stop insulting other posters.
gunnerkid107
Mike Hunt. PLEASE. I represent the blue side of london.(while I cant imagine that im defending the gooners) and just know Mr. wanna be Blue that what your enjoying is just a kids first experience in some arse. you will come quick and it will be all over with really soon. I really feel for the Arsen fans. the team gave three points to Manure then they have to see Ade acting a donky in front of you. He may have had a rough time at Emirates for a few but the Gunners made him who he is. If it wasnt for them he would still be at Monaco and no one would know of him. There are thousands of gunners that loved Ade. and for him to act like this with the fans and his EX STRIKER PARTNER Van Persie is waaaaaaaay low. No class at all.
iwearblue
Maybe this is what Arsenal needed. Nothing can ***** a young person more than being humiliated. I'm sure your players will give everything to stop City from getting a place in the top 4. Exciting times. lol
k_chelski
Check out the full ****ishness in all it's glory - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHwXBRNGdGs
Rocky7
Was that Toure running after him trying to get him away from the Arsenal fans? If Kolo wasn't the one right behind him, I'm sure he was close because I remember Kolo looking mad when the TV camera focused in on the other scumbag.
gunnerkid107
Yes, gk, that was Toure. I wish he hadnt pulled the **** away. Thanks for the support, guys. We've(the fans) been hurting for some time now and I hope the team can respond on the field.
Sajit
I wish Toure hadn't pulled him away, coz if he stayed there he would have been hit by a bottle!!
Sajit
pfft, the only disappointment i have about the throwing of objects onto the pitch is that one of them didn't hit him
Ozi Gooner
That stamp to the face was a disgusting act and if it goes unpunished then i will have zero faith in UEFA after Eduardo gets 2 games. All i can to that *****arse who used to play for us ...enjoy coming to the Emirates mother*****er!
FuiKaka
http://i27.tinypic.com/1ruomd.gif This is the most clear cut view I've seen. There is obvious malice in this challenge. I think he was gunning for Robin's hand but caught his face instead.
gunnerkid107
mike hunt, the season is still far too long, there is more than enough time for your team to choke, and tevez to make unfounded accusations of not playing enough, and oh, for adebayor to get lazy, and mike, you have no class...mike hunt, more like mike ****.
punkindrublic
HY, I fully understand why Spurs dislike Campbelland his decision to go to Notts County shows that money is overly important to him. The feeling towards Ade was nowhere near what Spurs fans feel towards Campbell and al that really happened was that he was booed heavily. At least Campbell had the sense to keep a lowprofile when he went back to WHL, can you imagine if he'd done what Ade did at WHL?
Little Dutch
They had something similar recently in the Forest-Derby game with Tyson waving a flag in front of the away fans. The heat of the moment excuse from Adebayor is utterly pathetic. Unless he is Usain Bolt how can the heat of the moment last for 90metres? The FA should give him at least a 2games ban as he should have been sent off for the Van Persie stamp and as the ref did nothing I think they can act here. But if Eduardo can be banned for two games for diving (in the heat of the moment) a far larger suspension should occur for Adebayor for deliberately inciting crowd trouble (in the heat of the moment) As a Spurs fan, I would like to contrast his behaviour with the way Bentley behaved when he scored against you. He regularly receives personal criticism from Gunners but when he scored in the derby he showed a bit more class running to his new fans not taunting old ones. And I also think the Campbell comparison is wrong. The Gunners at least got a tidy 25m for Adebayor who then indulged in crowd incitement. Campbell never attempted to directly incite the Spurs support, though deliberately lying to supporters and club might be considered incitement enough.
Kernowboy71
Should have been sent off for the stamp, and for inciting the crowd a 3 match ban
Tiny T
We've seen previous incidents - Henry vs Spurs, and he's still a legend to us. Ade, of course, is a cock, and we all know that. Ade's stamp on RvP was a lot more unacceptable to me. A 2 match ban will do well for him. He also stamped on Cesc' leg early on in the game which looked avoidable to me. Wanting to score against Arsenal coz he is extra motivated is understandable, deliberately injuring our players and inciting our away fans is not.
prits
My blood is still boiling after a not too good night's sleep. Top post LD, cheers for telling the truth from your first-hand experience. Now the FA will take a 'close look' at the incidents. Which do you think is more damning? I think his stamp on RvP should be clear enough, having looked at some more video clips. I dare say he didn't even try to avoid hurting Cesc either but that's slightly harder to prove. The goading was classless and selfish, he's totally driven by his enormous ego, completely disregarding the anyone else on the pitch. As LD said, if he felt so loved at City, why did he run 80+ yards ignoring thousands of City fans who're applauding him at the time, but chose to run to the group who 'hated' him? I suspect his hate for Gooners is even bigger than the other way around. And if someone's driven by that kind of emotion, he's hopeless as an individual. Now also with a clearer head, I think our guys will be all fired up to beat him in the home game.
GoonerLou
gunner kid..i find it strange that you are warning other teams fans on here to stop there aggresive posts but yet you seem to condone your own fans saying things like " i wish toure wouldnt have pulled him away coz he would have been hit with a bottle" - this is disgusting from a so called admin of a vital website and other things that are calling adebayor a scumbag and other vile names - can you clarify your stance on your own fans vile posts and what is the difference between other teams fans coming on here and saying what they think as it seems you stink of double standards
bluemooner_mcfc
Great piece, and deserved a seperate write-up. What was really telling and makes him guilty is that he didn't even try to apologise or check how RvP was straight after the event. But Ade has now and truly confirmed he is an even bigger p&*ck than we'd thought and we can 100% certain that this guy's career, both at City and generally, will implode. He talks about loving Arsene Wenger like a father. What a great way to show your respect.
Gooner_Vin
you lot are VILE the way your forum is run is disgusting and ive never came across a bunch of soft southerners in my life - i used to hate spurs but they wouldnt cry like babies like this when things dont go well and you need to look up to them as i see it because they are 10 times the fans you lot are.
bluemooner_mcfc
What a clown the guy is. So easily he forgets the backing he got when he 1st arrived as a lanky average player who missed 10 x more chances than he put away. His statement about its being the fans from the US and Jamaica being the ones that booed him was worthy of a sanction in itself, can you imagine what would happen if an English player said that it was the fairwether Indians and polish fans that made him leave? Also those fairweather fans he speaks of are generally found at home games so why run over to the hardcore who in the main backed him? Because he is a coward and a liar of epic proportions and im not even going to get to wound up by him. What goes around comes around.
iceman10
iceman - get a grip on reality lad because all what theres pointless articles are about is how jealous you lot are of not only adebayor that he scored against you and was MOTM against you but your also bitter that city are now big players in the premiership and that means a BIG ADIOS to your top 4 because its not just about playing pretty football and losing its a mixture of things and you played well yesterday and when you played the rags but how many points did it get you for all this nice pretty football ? ZERO - so forget the stats about how many chances you had or how much possesion you had because the only facts thast need to be shown is MANCHESTER CITY 4 - 2 ARSENAL......simples
bluemooner_mcfc
How a MCFC can call us whingers is beyond belief. Ive never heard a set of fans so full of whingers moaning about not feeling accepted and how they deserve success more than anyone else bcos "I was there when we were in league 2" Jog on pal.
iceman10
Wow if not for the login names I would've thought some Spuds flooded in with intelligent comments again. Back on topic, do you guys think some of this fall-out news is taking the gloss away from City's good win? The longer the media and the City fans who don't know Adebayor's personality talk about this, the better. The more the City fans who don't get it keep assuming that it's purely because we're bitter or jealous of them, the better it is for us. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8252803.stm
GoonerLou
Two words, Iceman: inferiority complex.
GoonerLou
The article concedes that you have every right to enjoy your victory bluemooner and so you should. But there's still a little way to go yet before you start claiming that your football is going to ensure results will continue to go your way. I don't quite understand what you think you need to protect here. It's almost as though you are afraid your bubble could burst at anytime so need to make the most of it now. Anyone else confident in their side would just enjoy the result. A little bit of insecurity methinks. Perhaps you realise that you got away with it to some extent yesterday and on another day still to come things won't go quite so well.
Amos.
Didnt write anything about city not deserving the victory? The article is about Adebeyonce. Why would i be jealous of MANCHESTER CITY? why? what have you ACHIEVED? yes you're a big player in the game at the moment, SO? As much as you would like to think your new found power will intimidate us, it isnt going to happen. You're doing well now but its about 38 games not 4 if you think were just going to roll over and die because you have spent 200 million you might get a nasty shock come may.
iceman10
LOL jog on pal ? we are doing mate ...jogging on way past you by 6 points now and more to come because your time has expired now as top 4 - why dont you bring your world class kids on ? because they aint world class and cant hack it in the real world - JOG ON PAL
bluemooner_mcfc
You're beginning to sound increasingly juvenile bluemooner. Not like most Citeh fans I have come across. Best wait until you have something to crow about. You wouldn't want to fall into the spuds trap of celebrating just a bit too early now would you.
Amos.
Dont Jog too fast, this is a marathon dont forget. As if you would having been there and done that in the past..............
iceman10
For once some media outlets are syaing something objective: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11679_5549856,00.html
GoonerLou
it just seems to me that gooners fans are going overboard with this and all this crap thrown about now is pre meditated - ive never said that ade's tackle was bad but the vile comments on here are out of order and you need a reality check.
bluemooner_mcfc
Reality check he says after ringing up Citehs box office to pre order champions league tickets after 4 games........
iceman10
iceman - you should be on tv mate coz you are soo funny - i aint getting carried away mate because ive supported city for more years than i wish to remember but this adebayor hatred from you lot is laughable because its an internet bullying campaign by you all it really is you vile people.
bluemooner_mcfc
LOOOLLLLL PWNED.
Gunnerman
I really wouldnt be here commenting if Adebeyonce hadnt Stamped on my captains Ankle, Stamped on RVP's head or ran over to the hardcore fans who were the main people who backed him last season. Make of that what you will.
iceman10
If you scroll up to the top of the page bluemooner you'll find the words Vital Arsenal. That should give you a clue to the slant likely to be taken here. Some comment is a little more passionate than others but the point being made is pretty sound. Your posts can agree or disagree with the point but you just seem to be sticking your tongue out as though that should be fair comment. Taken in isolation the reaction to Ade's celebration is over the top I think, but I can understand why, as a gooner, it isn't possible to take it in isolation. In time, with a little more knowledge of the man, that's something you may come to understand for yourself. But. also taken in isolation, his stamp on RvP hasn't had anything like enough reaction for the vicious act that it was.
Amos.
Bluemooner - get a grip and try to actually at least understand the issue. In fact, you might even want to read the article! Aw are we bullying poor little ade? Well excuse me for not giving a flying *****. Come back in may and let me know how it feels to look like a total lemon you moron.
Gunnerman
There are spurs fans, utd fans, and chelsea fans who think he's a complete**** and have supported the arsenal stance on this. That should give you some idea as to who the blinkered party really is. As already stated - jog on you sigh.
Gunnerman
So Tyson got charged for 'impropoer conduct' cos he took a corner flag and waved at the Derby fans after he scored for Forest. What Adebayor did was at least as improper, if not worse, wasn't it? That plus the stamping incident - 'violent conduct' or whatever they call it? - I hope the FA will for once exercise some sort of authority by delivering justice. If he got banned for 3 matches while Tevez, Robinho, Santa Cruz and who else are injured, it'd be a bit funny tbh..
GoonerLou
Bluemoomer - lest you forget that Ade was being pimped around by his agent to Man United and any other clubs in an attempt to join another club other than yours. I can't believe it but I'm going to want Man United to slaughter you boys next weekend.
Gooner_Vin
well i will be back in may to stick my tongue out at you chumps - you are vile and deserve each other.
bluemooner_mcfc
You still here Moomin? Why dont you run along and play with The Snork maiden little fella. Also do some research on Vile Characters and see if that Thaksin Shinawatras name pops up..............
iceman10
BAAAAHAHA! LOLOLOL
Gunnerman
i wonder what would be man city fans reaction if he get banned for few games where tevez, robinho and RSC all injuried and they lost thoes games. dont get me wrong but arsenal players to be blamed for they are all being nice with him, different team would of shown him that he is not welcome among his old-mates. he even kicked his " brother" song !! come april we will have the last and the loud laugh, just lets pray he is not "injuried" before that game. now we have about 8 games that are all possible to win, and we already played 3 tough away games and only one home game. lets get behind the team, COM'N YOU GUNNERS
Gooner SA
p.s. didnt sombody bet we wouldn't see tommy in arsenal shirt ! lol great article YET AGAIN
Gooner SA
Great article LD... I think the key thing to note about yesterday is this: Adebawhore covered more ground in a minute after scoring, than he did in 270 minutes of FA Cup and Champions League semi-finals yesterday... What a f***ing doos! If Togo qualify for the WC next year here in SA, and they play here in Port Elizabeth, I solemnly pledge to boo the **** at every touch of the ball... Anyway, chins up Gooners. We've got a Champions League game on Wednesday to bounce back for. Read that again Mike C*nt. I said we have a CHAMPIONS LEAGUE game on Wednesday. Enjoy your w*nking session while Tim and all the other fantastic away Gooners travel to Standard Liege and cheer on the Gunners, and the rest of our worldwide aka "racist" supporters watch us kick off the road to the Bernabeu with a win. VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Patresc Vieiragas
enjoy your champions league game mate coz you wont have anymore for a long long time.
bluemooner_mcfc
i hope you get beat and i dont like saying that because i normally support all englsih teams in europe.
ADEBAYOR_IS_GREAT
Please no more!!!!!! My sides are splitting!!!! LOLOL
Gunnerman
Youre right. Adebayor basically declared war on Arsenal football club this weekend - that stamp on RVPs face was intentional, you can tell. He flicked his toe out.
HuddersfieldYiddo
I gotta say I can't believe some of the stuff thats being posted on here and on other articles. 'The only dissapointment I have about the throwing of objects onto the pitch is that one of them didn't hit him'. 'Hope he dies of aids'. Those comments were posted on here and on another article relating to the City v Arsenal game. This is incredible and a very sick mind at work. For anyone to wish this kind of harm to anyone especially a sportsman who probably wouldn't know them from a bar of soap is mind boggling. Sounds to me that this site has been infiltrated by some wanna be 'soccer-hooligans'.
bluesnozza
But Hughes thought it was all a great joke - what does that say about him, that we don't already know.
Whitelinefever
I'm not particularly sure why Everyone's raving about this Citeh result anyway? Didn't they beat this Arsenal team last year and still finish 10th!?
ForeverUnited
City is fast becoming Arsenal's boggy team. 3-0 last season and now 4-2. It had to happen I guesss, but our main focus right now is Manure. Next Sunday's match, live on SKY is going to be a cracker.
Tudor
Patrcesc - "keep your chins up"? - were you talking specifically to me there? lol
Rocky7
I tell you whats the work of a sick mind - deliberately trying to blind or break the ankles of former team mates - you'd better leave before you look more of a lemon. I believe those comments were made by the ONE same commenter. Oh dear....silly boy
Gunnerman
Whatever your take on Adebayor's behaviour, calling for a player to be hit by missiles from the stands is a disgrace. Threatening to kill a player when he visits your ground is a disgrace. Racist abuse is a disgrace. Ripping out seats and throwing them at stewards, no matter how great the provocation is a disgrace. Adebayor should have known better than to celebrate in front of the Arsenal fans and will most likely receive sanction from the FA for his actions. But for the editor of a Vital site to condone what ammounted to hooliganism is quite simply outrageous. Vital Arsenal, if you cannot accept Adebayor's excuse that he acted in the heat of the moment then can I ask what exactly is going on with these articles and the vitriolic posts you have permitted? Perhaps when the heat of the moment has dissipated and you have time to reflect you will realise how disgraceful your reactions have been.
fifthcolumnblue
Not being funny Tudor, but two matches hardly makes you a bogey team ..... in the history of the PL you've only beaten us four times.
Rocky7
Gunnerman there have been several 'DIFFERENT' commentors who have made comments wishing serious physical harm on Adebayor. Don't try and stand up for these people as they are sick individuals who can't control their emotions. Just goes to show you the calibre of the supporters who follow Arsenal. They should hang their heads in shame. How embarrassing for you....
bluesnozza
fifthcolumnblue you seem to be reading what you want to read rather than what is actually written. The writer of the article clear states that he does not condone the near riotous scenes in the away end. The article comments are not the reflection of the view of the site, indeed many of the more agressive posts where made by first time posters. We strive to delete all racist and inflamatory comments, but yes sometimes some do get through the net. As for Ade acting in the heat of the moment? He stamped on Cesc early in the game, then kick Rob in the face, then ran the full length of the pitch (which at 90 metres can not be run in the 2 seconds he claimed it took him to get there), and then did the same thing at the final whistle. Heat of the moment? No my friend, what he did took place over a couple of hours.
Rocky7
I am an African from the same ethnic stock as Adebayor, whilst he's Togolese, I'm a Nigerian, but I'm disappointed that any human being can be as stupid as he was yesterday. To call Adebayor a goat would be an insult to that animal who must definitely be more intelligent than him. It pains me to lose the game in the manner in which we lost, but I feel we must all thank this egomaniac for the welcomed diversion and the opportunity to build team spirit that his actions has presented us with.
deledudu
Fifthcolumnblue, read the article again and this time do so unedited by your own reactions. Where in the name of satan's portion is there any evidence or condoning of racism here? Think a bit more carefully next time.
Little Dutch
In fact, far be it from me to adopt the rhetoric of a Spurs fan, but HY's words are exactly right. Ge declared a war. His comments on Bendtner the morning of the match, the stamp on Fabregas' injured knee, the stamp on van Persie, the celebration,the attempt to come back again at the final whistle to goad Arsenal fans when he clearly saw that there were injuries as a result of his initial actions, it all stinks of a bitter and twisted man declaring a war. I don't know where FCB has the idea that acts of violence and racism (?!) have been condoned in the article, I count three separate occasions that I condemned people for throwing things and trying to get onto the pitch. But when a lit match needs a flammable substance poured on it to create a fire. Adebayor knew what his actions would cause, he saw what they had already caused and tried to make it worse. I'm struggling to see how anyone could possibly have any regard for Adebayor whatsoever. The heat of the moment exuse is a very flimsy one when you look at the catalogue of evidence to suggest otherwise. In the long run, Adebayor will suffer more for his personality than we will. Bluesnozza, look at the amount of arrests Arsenal fans get a season, you can't say we're an incendiary lot. (What are your opinions of the thousands who sang, "you're just a town full of Munichs" on several occasions while you're showing moral disgust here). I utterly don't condone anyone wishing AIDS or anything else on Adebayor, ultimately he'll get his because he will end up a very lonely and outcast human being when the superficial adoration of football fans has gone in his retirement. As for claiming we have no right to criticise because we don'tknow him, are you saying that Adebayor personally knows every one of the 3,000 people he sprinted towards to exorcise his hateful personality? Cos I was in there bluesnozza and I'll confirm the guy has never met me, doesn't know me and if he did, I'd tell him a few things about life he hasn't ******** realised yet, believe me.
Little Dutch
Littledutch - perhaps you should read through the comments from the "fans" (whether first time posters or not) that are unhappy that Adebayor was not hit by some of the missiles and threatening him. I am not suggesting that you as the writer of this article are condoning the threatening and racist behaviour, but the fact is that it has appeared on your site. Whilst I sit in the end of the ground furthest from the away fans, several people I have spoken to that actually sit a few rows from the away fans heard the phrase "black b*****d hurled at Adebayor on numerous occasions. At leasty one of these has good quality video evidence of these actions and will be forwarding a copy to the GMP to assist in their attempst to ban racist filth from football. The Arsenal fans behaved disgracefully yesterday and your article is thinly veiled "heat of the moment" sophistry. Disgrace.
fifthcolumnblue
For the record, and maybe some media outlets need to be reminded of this too, the league is 38 games long and you need to finish in the top 4 to be a to 4 club, we are 4 games in - shut up
bootoo
yes, what a low calibre us arsenal fans are bluesnozza, but at least we don't openly welcome in human rights abusers to come in and turn our beloved club into some corporate plaything
TPowell
Well I hope that if people did utter those words they are bought to justice. But how can you claim that was the majority? Did you see the reaction when Toure came over to the Arsenal fans? He's a black African isn't he? Arsenal has the most racially diverse season ticket holders in the country (officially), we have an enormous amount of black players representing our club and have done for some time. If people were guilty of those isolated incidents they will be bought to book, believe me, you can't go to an Arsenal game and not be within earshot of a black person, it's statistically impossible. I fear you are trying to cloud the issue, which is Adebayor and his actions, not the posts of a few internet warriors and the tittle tattle of an isolated incident or two cos your mate told you he heard or saw it. Try and stay on subject of the article, if people in our end were guilty of such filth, then complain about them to the relevant authorities and don't try and tar 3,000 supporters with the actions of less than 0.001% of that crowd. Interestingly, you don't seem keen to comment on the "You're just a town full of Munichs" chant.
Little Dutch
bluesnozza oh dear oh deary me - looks like you can't read either! I'm not standing up for anyone, merely pointing out the specific phrases you mentioned were made by one poster. I don't condone the statements or the actions of the crowd - your blinkers however made you think it. Adebayor is a disgrace, his behaviour, actions, attitude, statements to the media, assaults on fellow professionals, and deliberate incitement are a complete disgrace. He's most certainly at the right club now.
Gunnerman
Good article. His goal celebration was totally out of order, and also a bit of an insult to City fans - his first thoughts should be to celebrate with them, not run the length of the pitch to play Charlie Big Balls in front of the gooners. His stamp on Van Persie's face should be punished as well.
cobridge
Your pious preaching is doing you no favours at all 5thcolumnblue. The article and most of the comments here are balanced and reasoned. Of course there are one or two guilty of over reacting, sometimes to some goading from some juvenile blues supporters posts, but they are very much in the minority. Seeking to divert the debate which is being fairly conducted amongst Arsenal supporters by inventing allegations of racism and inflating the extent of any over reaction is disingenuous. Your determination to do so while ignoring the genuine points at issue is weak, sanctimonious and pompous.
Amos.
If any would have broken through onto the pitch.They would have found Adebayour had some protection! Arsenal and City fans have always had good rapport,but after the behaviour of the Arsenal fans yesterday and their continuous bleating in defeat. This is wearing very thin. GET OVER IT.
KIPPAX
Arsenal fans, They turned on adebayor becuase AC Milan and FC Barcelona wanted ade, then they booed him, they criticied adebayor, then they booed him and destroyed their confidence, The heavnly father saw all of this and knew it was wrong, adebayor scored again Arsenal yesterday, and he celebrated in FRONT off arsenal fans to get revenge, and what do arsenal fans do, they start having a heart attack, And I'm glad adebayor 1. SCORED. 2. CELEBRATED IN THE STUPID ARSENALS FANS 3. GOT MOTM, it must hurt you arsenal fans, the same way you hurt adebayor last season, How Ironic isn't it? ******** fans, Adeabyor is right, some of you are from Jamaica, and Some from America, some off you are now Liverpool fans as we speak becuase they beat burnley 4-0, GOOD ON YOU ADEBAYOR, you showed those hypocritical fools, And they don't like a taste of thier own medicine, they got a dose of thier medicine, and they finally realised how disgusting it takes, ADEBAYOR!!! YOU ROCK.
Munasheonly7
Er... most of us have accepted the defeat as being beaten by the team that were devastating when presented with chances. What irks us is the behaviour of Adebayor, if you can't see what the issue is here, or if you can see it and decide there was nothing wrong with his actions throughout the game, then I suggest you leave the debate.
Gunnerman
Unfortunately it's not just us that have a problem with his actions Kippax. It seems as though everyone visiting this site that is not a supporter of either city or arsenal are actually quite on our side (even sp*rs supporters). Also, I think you'll soon find that the FA are on our side as well...
TPowell
City and Arsenal fans have always shared a mutual hatred for United, us cos they were our main footballing rivals, them cos they're in the same city. Not any more, fckin classless the lot of ya - hope we get you in the Carling Cup.
shewore
Manasheonly7, don't believe everything Ade tells you. There is a difference between 'AC Milan and Barcelona wanting Ade' and Ade spending all summer saying he would welcome the chance to go to either of them unless he gets a bigger contract (plus professing his loyalty to the TV cameras then saying he is hopefull of an AC millan move to the papers straight after)-getting the better wages-and then not putting his shift in (whilst swaggering around like he's Pele's more skillfull cousin). Some Arsenal fans behavoir yesterday was awful (and they should be banned), but from where I was sat a few Man City fans didn't exactly cover themselves in glory! All that said, some of the reaction on this have been ridiculous on both sides. Ade deserves a ban for his 'stamp' lets leave it there. As for making Arsenal fans out to be a bunch of racist hooligans of some sort is a horrific slur. I left 10 minutes early (which I don't do) for fear of being caught up in a problem (i was sat next to the city fans). I'm too young to remember when Football was like that all the time, and don't want to be exposed to it again.
navydave
Munasheonly7, ask fans of Togo, Metz and Monaco, ask Gordon Strachan about Adebayor. Like I said, come back here in one eyar and see if your feelings towards him are the same. He clearly doesn't think much of you lot because he couldn't be arsed to celebrate a goal with you. Enjoy the victory, but be careful before you attribute too much affection towards him, cos he'll hurt you too. I promise you that.
Little Dutch
shewhore.......i hope we get you in the carling cup aswell so we can out play your " world class kids" and give them a footballing lesson like we did on the counter attack yesterday - stop bleating because im sure the FA will come to your rescue so the sky 4 stay happy
ADEBAYOR_IS_GREAT
Gloating well before anything has been achieved, where have I seen this before........?
Little Dutch
Well, if my comments appeared over the top, I'm sorry for that. However, the fans who have had to put up with his antics through out the match were pushed to the limit. In all my years of watching Arsenal, I have never ever seen the fans react like this. Of course there were loud Cole chants but this was unprecedented. All the holier than thou City fans need to take a step back and analyze the situation from a unbiased view point as to why a bunch of otherwise sane and thoroughly reasonable human beings reacted the way they did.
Sajit
persy should get done for attempted assualt while ade should be claiming self defence cos thats how it looked to me it was a two footed lunge a follow through basically an attack so ade should claim self defence while pointing out that it was him that was first attacked, also the arseole fans should be done just like the spuds fans
mark.mcfc.wedged
i'm getting sick of this mike hunt what a dumbass.....just like adebayor....but i wish ade was just a dumbass he is also a criminal...he should be taken too prison maybe he will wake up.... there is no way hughes or ade could find one damn execuse for ade's actions....he should definitely be banned for a long time....
ibrahiy
Not saying that what Ade did was deliberate or not, but has anyone mentioned the attrotious two-footed tackle/assault that Persie did on him before this all happened?
BlueWolfie
van Persie'stackle was not good, but it wasn't an "attrocious two footed assault" by any means. It was a bad challenge, but it didn't warrant a rake of the studs down the cheekbone. Mark, answer me one question that all of your fans desperately flailing for poor excuses pointedly refuse to answer me today, what about your fans singing "you're just a town full of Munichs" what should happen to them? *anticipates yet more silence*
Little Dutch
yes we do sing that most city fans dont agree with it but hey we are not all perfect and it isnt aimed at a player is it! its aimed at the fans, tell me again did you like the way spuds treated sol campbell? even the way you treated one of your own players last season was DISGUSTING, as i said i would claim self defence if i was ade and he wouldnt be far wrong!
mark.mcfc.wedged
anyway enough with you very angry set of supporters, its time to move on to our next game because after all you are history now, do us a favour thou ladies and gents keep up the hate campaign against ade cos that means we wont have to motivate him atall because you have done all this seasons team talks as far as ade is concerned so dont be suprised if he bangs in 35 goals this season, its like hughes says he doesnt need do teamtalks he just shows the players the papers and stupid sites like this
mark.mcfc.wedged
Errrm, it's not aimed at a player? What about the PLAYERS that died in the Munich air crash, that's not aimed at players? If you think Adebayor is the innocent party in any of these incidents then I'm afraid you're almost as deluded as he is. I would just extend that invitation again, come back here again in a year and tell me if you think poor Adebayor is harshly treated. The sad thing is, your naivety means you're going to be even more angry when he *****es on all of you too.
Little Dutch
You see, you already doubt your ability to keep him motivated. Keep that scepticism young lickspittle, it will serve you well.
Little Dutch
He would be wrong! Van Persie deserved a yellow, Ade deserved a red.... end of! Don't be so bloody blinkered. In fact he derserved a yellow for the tackle on Cesc, a yellow for the celebration and a red for the 'rake'!
navydave
If he scores 35 goals this season you're in for some fun next summer I can assure you.
iceman10
well im sorry but if i came up to you and tried to brake ur leg on the street and you kicked me in the face who would be in the wrong? me the aggressor or you the defender?, thats right the police would arrest me and not you so tell me again who is in the wrong? it was a blatant two footed tackle aimed at hurting ade in whatever way possible, whatever you think about the song it isnt aimed at 1 single player its aimed at YOU THE FANS COS WE KNOW YOU LIVE IN A TOWN FULL OF MANURES,
mark.mcfc.wedged
Delusion, I dare say if van Persie wanted to break Adebayor's leg he'd have done so quite easily. The fact that he didn't even touch Adebayor tells its own story. You don't so yourself any favours with the completely hysterical comparisons and lame excuses. Your casual dismissal of the term 'Munichs' also demonstrates your complete lack of reason. I'm beginning to see why you like Adebayor so much, you two would be very happy together in your Howard Hughesesque fantasy world. Like I said Mark, come back to me next summer and see what you think of Adebayor then.
Little Dutch
I think that what Adebayor did to Van Persie was terrible ......... how a proffessional footballer of that standard could miss his eye from such close range, and only catch the side of his face shows that inacuracy that probably lead to his departure. I used to genuinley hate Adebayor, but I quite like him now !
YidEdy
LD...we were at Fulham to witness the horrific treatment of Song, we've all seen the vitriol aimed at our own players at the Grove, I've had many arguments over adebayor in the past(obviously wasted my breath)..just to play devil's advocate for a second...did some of our fans have this coming?
Anon 1
See what has happened here? A player does something that some say was an accident, others say it was revenge, and some of you end up going on about 'your side is crap' and so on and so forth. It's pathetic. If he get's suspended for a couple of games then so be it, but will that stop the abuse? Nope. It will continue unabated. And it won't be because of the Persie thing, it'll be just because, just like it was before the game, and all the way up to that point in time.
BlueWolfie
Anon1, I don't think so. Song was a teenager making his first ever start for Arsenal, Adebayor treated the club with disrespect and then lied about the whole episode. As youwill know, I was willing to forgive and forget until around April this year when he dragged my club's name through the ***** with three semi final performances that should be never be forgotten. To chose a stage such as that to perform in such a way is as cowardly and self serving as you come to expect from people like Adebayor. The man himself is confused, he attributes the stick he did get to supporters in Jamaica and the US that aren't at the games? The amount of "abuse" he got whilst playing for us is massively, massively overplayed. I heard him booed against West Brom after missing 3 sitters and once when he was subbed at Old Trafford- the latter was certainly well deserved. He conveniently forgets how much people stood behind him in his early Arsenal career when he was fitful in front of goal and how he won everyone over with his work rate. I've said it before but Adebayor is the reprehensible type of character that demands sole plaudits when the getting is good and blames everyone else when it is bad. I wouldn't have argued with a finger to the lips or the ear yesterday, not one bit. But no, we didn't have that reaction coming, not from Adebayor. I didn't notice many Jamaicans or Americans around me so I'm struggling to understand Adebayor'sincreasingly deranged excuses.
Little Dutch
Mark, for your information, soccer is governed by rules while street fighting is not (or, at best, has different rules). The Ref is the only arbiter and no player may take the law into his hands. Assuming RVP's challenge was "mallicious", Ade's retaliation ('self defence', as some moron posted) usually gets a yellow card, at the minimum. No reason to play the Ostritch with Ade's behaviour that day: a stamp on Cesc and RvP; an attempted elbow on Gallas-yes, remember when he fell in a big heap?; and a kick to Song, which earned the latter a yellow card when he apparently, retaliated; then an attempt to incite the away fans, at the risk of a pandemonium breaking out. I am an African, but I feel Ade would reflect on his shift yesterday and be filled with regret, if he has any modicum of decency left in him. Shameful!
Naijagunner
It's worth pointing out that the booing against WBA was the first game after his summerof agitating for a new deal. If you demand your pay to be doubled then miss three sitters, you have to expect people to have higher expectations of you.
Little Dutch
Prior to yesterday's game I would have suggested that the criticisms of adebayor were excessive...last season I remember him winning the fans back after an early hatrick at Blackburn and turning the game at West Ham...consequently, I was willing to suggest that his form dipped after a lengthy spell on the sidelines and the apparent apathy that followed was merely a loss of confidence that the fans were all too unwilling to forgive...yesterday changed all that...
Anon 1
bluesnozza, you can kindly go ***** yourself champ. fiftcolumnblue, don't know how wishing somebody gets hit by a chair or has AIDS is racist, if you think only African's get AIDS maybe it's you with the prejudice problem. I stand by my comment, the only shame Arsenal fans take from this whole incident is that one of the projectiles didn't hit the dog.
Ozi Gooner
Delluded the lot of you if you can't see the wrong in racist chants and throwing missiles at ground staff and players on the pitch. Sure Ade should get banned if he ment the stamp but Arsenal should get a points deduction because their fans are all racist thugs.
MCFC_Goatboy
yeah goatboy, the group of fans who voted Thierry Henry as our greatest ever player is racist, solid logic there idiot...
TPowell
Ozi Gooner you are a sad, sorry and very sick individual. I can understand someone making your sort of comments in the heat of the moment but to then come out and defend what you said and stand by your claims confirms that you have issues 'Aids' really!! Your obviously a mental defect and a bit of a**** as well but I would not wish harm on you or wish that you got aids because thats just plain wrong. To all other Arsenal fans on this site I mean no disrespect, it is clear that what Ade did was wrong and he will be punished for it but I really hope that the rest of you don't support this loonies comments, I hope it's just one person and not the general view. I again repeat that I don't condone what Ade did and I hope that the fans from both clubs can get past this incident.
bluesnozza
Good and well-balanced article Tim. I was a big fan of Ade as soon as he became a Gunner, and while I regretted his flirtings with other clubslack of effort last season and eventual departure to City, I was accepting of it. I thought, he's still a young man with a somewhat fragile ego, of course it's distracting to have the likes of Barca and Milan wooing you. But this weekend saw the sad metamorphosis of Ade from "misunderstood" to "utter****". What a slap in the face to his former fans. Toure, by contrast, demonstrated why he is a class above. Kolo could even go to Spurs and Gooners would still respect him for his achievements and his fundamental decency as a human being. As for Ade... such a shame.
krismon1
Goatboy - if you think Arsenal fans are racist then you really have no business being here as you've go no clue what you're talking about. Try heading down to the Grove sometime and just take a look at the faces as you're walking about. I'll bet you a thousand pounds you see at least 5 difference ethnicities within 5 minutes of being in the stadium. ou can say what you like about our club and our supporters ... whingers, classless, bad losers, whatever, that's all subjective, but racist, we are not.
Rocky7
Yeah, I really felt the BNP vibe when we were all singing Kolo Toure's name.......idiot.
Little Dutch
I've seen some dodgey statements on here over time but Goatboy, that is a horrific thing to say. If an Arsenal fan did make a racist remark, I hope he never comes again. To tarnish my whole club's fans as 'racist thugs' is stupid. You are pathetic, and I'm sure most City fans don't agree with you. Tube!
navydave
Arsenal don't tolerate racism, I've seen it happen. I was sat in the North Bank for "Dennis Bergkamp Day" against West Brom at Hihbury a few years ago, and this guy travelling with our supporters club (he is really dopey) was annoyed with the referee (who was dressed in black attire) and he shouted "Get your act together you black ********" after the ref gave a particularly dodgy decision ... and I tell no lies when I say he was almost instantly lynched. He had to do some pretty swift explaining to avoid getting his head stoved in.
Rocky7
we cant do it to judas, but yoose can do it to him, double standards eh?................ade is now a legend in the white half of north london. mwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.......................just a shame he missed van persies eye.
paddypower
You can do that to Judas all you like paddy, tbh, I quite like your chant for Sol Campbell, so much so that we use a modified version for my local clubs very own Judas and i also think the bans handed down to the fans for singing it last year was ridiculously stupid and i don't see how it is supposed to be racist or homphobic. If i was a Tottenham fan i'd be singing it along with you.
Ozi Gooner
I think you will find that we have one of the most if not the most amount of black players in our first team, squad and set of fans. I have been to home, away and european games and have never heard racist chants towards black/colored players. The player we voted as the greatest player of all time was black and Vieria & Wright came in top 5 or 6. We chant rocastles name in every game, i belive he might have been black. Like LD said somewhere, you would never get away with it as you would have someone black/colored in earshot at every game. On the other hand i have heard abuse from other teams sets of fans coming out of the stadium. Everton chavs hung outside shouting racist comments. Dont excuse what Adebayor did by using the race card on something you have invented.
paul_ownz
He's gone - he ain't coming back - get over it!
bluemoonwillow
I love it Arsenal mulled over. Ade gives what he was getting, Arsenal fans finally wake up to reality and feel some real pain for once. U condone what he does yet ur geatest legend of all time did the same to spurs!!! lol u lot are a bag of laughs.
Mix26
I don't care if Henry got voted player of the year and you have black players. Even the press heard the dad washes elephants and his mums a whore chant. If that's not racist then sorry. And if throwing missiles at staff and onto the pitch is acceptable then sorry. I'm the one who is deluded obviously. You say we're blindly defending Ade... I'm saying he's not responsible for your fans acting the way they did. If you check my other posts I said if he ment to stamp on Percy then he deserves a ban. It's you lot blindly defending the atrocious behaviour of your own fans at the game. How you can is beyond me.
MCFC_Goatboy
Mobody has tried to defend the actions of supporters throwing stuff. But your hysterical posts about us all being racist thugs completely negates your argument. There was a surge, as there would be from any other set of fans in the country. If all of us wanted to get onto the pitch do you think the 40 stewards would have really been able to stop us? The guy who threw the bottle will get banned and rightly so, no need or excuse for that at all. But what about the City fans throwing stuff into the Arsenal section. Trying to make out that all the Arsenal fans were misbehaving and chanting racist songs does you zero favours. If you're confident you have a point there's no need for gross and frankly offensive over exaggeration. You still won't answer about the use of the word 'Munichs' nor the singing of Kolo Toure's name will you?
Little Dutch
'Munichs' isn't racist though it's not something I sing because it's in bad taste and a City legend died that day. As for singing Toure's name are you saying it's ok to chant something racist as long as you cheer a black player also?
MCFC_Goatboy
But there was no racist chanting numbnuts. Are you saying it's o.k. to use the term 'Munichs' because it's not racist. You're saying that ALL Arsenal fans were singing a racist song against an African player when around 34% of our supporters are black?
Little Dutch
Where did I say it ok to use the term munichs? I said it's in bad taste and not something I'd do. Where did I use the words 'ALL Arsenal fans'? I said fans... i.e more than one fan.. I only said you're all racist thugs later on because none of you... literally none on these boards will admit you were wrong... and if you won't admit you're wrong then you are sanctioning the chants and behaviour... so if all of you are doing that then you are all racist thugs. And yes there was racist chanting numbnuts.... I'm done on these threads now though. You carry on living in your own little bubble where Adebayor is the devil and not one single arsenal fans was out of order.
MCFC_Goatboy
"literally none on these boards will admit you were wrong". How can i admit we were wrong when i have no evidence of that chant being sung. Secondly its is highly unlikely that we would sing a song that spurs fans have sung. Thirdly his dad washes elephants is hardly racist. So if someone came from siberia and i sung "his dad washes polar bears", would that be racist? Think about it before you respond. I would not get offended or think it was racist if i was playing in egypt and fans sung that my dad washes foxes or badgers.
paul_ownz
lol... now you can't even admit the song itself is racist.... bye...
MCFC_Goatboy
Do you even know what racism is goatboy? It's a dangerous game to go round labelling people racists when you've got no idea what you're talking about.
Rocky7
Saying his dad washes elephants is racial stereotyping which is being racist. Perhaps you have no idea.
MCFC_Goatboy
Racial stereotyping is not the same as being racist at all. Being racist is believing that a particular race is inferior because of the colour of their skin, racial sterotyping is saying that all Scotsmen wear dresses.
Rocky7
Rocky is quite correct. Stereotyping is rife in terrace banter, "We pay your benefits" sung by Londoners at every ground North of Vicarage Road. "You'rejust a town full of rent boys" returned by Northern folk. Songs about Scousers eating rats in council houses, this is very different from racism. (That said, I hadn't been aware that elephants only exist in countries where the population is exclusively black, so thanks for enlightening me there Goat Boy....whoops, was Goat Boy racist? You know? Cos goats are often white and all?) One of the more amusing terrace exchanges I've ever heard came in a game between Gillingham and Milwall. Wall fans were singing, "you live in a caravan" so Gillingham fans returned with "you live in a tower block." Being that I do actually live in a tower block in South London, I found that quite funny. Racism is a different concept altogether, and trying to blur the lines between the two trivialises what racism actually is and insults those that have suffered from genuine racist taunting.
Little Dutch
Ok go up to a black man and say eh corn bread you want some fried chicken and ask him if you're being racist. Racial stereotyping is not being racist... you lot are idiots. Racism includes discrimination or prejudice based on race. Prejudice is an opinion without the facts. So saying his dad washes elephants is prejudice based on race.
MCFC_Goatboy
So if someone came up to me and said, "cuppa tea guv'nor?" Would they be being racist against the white working class? Your grip on semantics and reality rivals that of a certain striker.......
Little Dutch
Arsenal fans not racist eh? My wife is a Gooner (non-racist), and I seem to recall a few years back we went into London to try and watch a UEFA cup final match involving Arsenal and a Turkish team (can't remeber who). We found a pub quite near Highbury, and sat down to enjoy the game. At the very end of the match Seaman let a long kick go over his head and Arsenal lost. Cue mayhem, as all of the Turkish and Cypriot business in the street (with names like the Gooners takeaway, and The Arsenal Chippy had there windows smashed and the staff were assaulted. Needless to say, my wife and I legged it as the riot police moved in. So, can I ask - were these businesses targeted by Turkish fans or racist Arsenal fans?
fifthcolumnblue
I think you are getting very confused fcb, we lost a Cup Winners Cup final when Nayim scored that lob for Real Zaragoza (a spanish team). I can hardly belive the rest of your story when you can't even get the most basic of facts right. I'm sure there are bound to be some racists among arsenal fans but I expect it would be less than any other club in the premiership.
bowiecokemirror
Fact of the matter is Mr cokehead, I'm not an arsenal fan, but I went WITH MY WIFE< TO HIGHBURY and witnessed some astonishing attacks on people of Turkish and/or Cypriot decent (who used to serve food to arsenal fans, week in, week out) by aggrieved arsenal fans. I was there whether I got the details of the match correct or not. In fact mr cokehead, I went to the swamp to see Arsenal win the title (1-0 Wiltord) with my 7 months pregnant wife, I've been to see the arsenal at Wigan in the Carling cup and I've been to see them at Goodison park. Each time, although there were several black fans, I heard racist comments from YOUR fans. Seems to be a problem shared by quite a few London clubs, not just yours, but please don't try to sweep it under the carpet. P.S. Bet some of the posters on here were amongst your loyal fans putting bricks through the windows of the "Gunners Chippy". I can only hope they swallowed a few shards of glass the next time they went for a kebab.
fifthcolumnblue
As I said even the press picked up on the chant you lot here still gonna deny it?..... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1213488/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Emmanuel-Adebayor-debate-The-hypocrites-stands.html?ITO=1490
MCFC_Goatboy
Nothing about RVP going over to the City fans when celebrating and telling them to **** off?
Thaibluefan
Assuming you don't live in London fifthcolumnblue, why would you travel to London to watch a game on TV? The Turkish and Cypriot shops are still there as are our many Turkish and Cypriot descendant supporters. Seems your earlier sense of moral outrage has left you in hoping that people swallow glass. You have invented a series of excuses with nothing more than anecdotal evidence to support them in order to create a racism fog to explain Adebayors actions. It's getting rather silly. Time to put your hands up and admit he, and you have got it wrong.
Amos.
fifthcolumnblue, your posts are becoming increasingly pathetic. Any psychologist will tell you getting angry will lose you an argument, you're about fifteen times more likely to lie when you're angry. Your posts are a case in point, go away.
Little Dutch
Sorry chumps, if my wife is from North London, does it not strike you as plausible that her family still live in the area? And as she is a gooner, she wanted to watch the Arsenal match with her fellow gunners, near Highbury. So why should you have a problem with this? The problem lies with your attempts to deny any racist wrong doing. The elephant chant is RACIST. The throwing of banana's is RACIST. Smashing up The gunner's chippy and the Arsenal takeaway because a Turkish player (Nayim) has just scored a goal that has lost you the CWC is RACIST. I notice that you are nitpicking every little piece of my argument but on my main allegation, that your fans took out their frustrations on local Turkish and Cypriot businesses has so far gone strangely unchallenged. I was there, I saw it and no one has denied it because the truth is obviously rather unpalatable to you.
fifthcolumnblue
The advantage of internet forums is it's anonymity so it's possible to invent any story you wish as evidence. But it's always possible to join it up with other evidence. Were there any stories in the local press at the time of Turkish/Cypriot shops being damaged? Not that I can recall. Had there been any banana's thrown on the pitch at the weekend wouldn't Sky cameras, able to pick up the minutest detail, have shown them by now? Is the proposer relying on the old chestnut that 'nobody has denied it so it must be true' without any other evidence than his own anecdotes. Putting just those things together do the stories have the ring of truth about them? Or is it clear that these are the inventions of a congenital liar? Nobody has denied it so I guess it must be true.
Amos.
I don't know if there were any stories in the local press, I'm not from London. My wife recalls the incident where we had to run from the melee involving the arse fans and the riot police, you may call me a liar all you want, I'll stick to my story. Unless of course you would like to carry on apologising for the racists in your midst and the fact that your fans behaved like complete animals. I guess it's all a matter of taking sides and you have most certainly closed ranks on this one.
fifthcolumnblue
You have failed to prove that racism played any part in Adebayors travails at the weekend. There is no evidence that there is any racism at Arsenal to any degree greater than there is at your club or anywhere else. The whole spurious arguments you have put forward, firstly on faux morality grounds, and then mudslinging with allegations of racism is an irrelevant diversion. It's dishonest, deceitful invention and you know it as well as we do.
Amos.
Nayim is Spanish you complete and utter tool.
Little Dutch
Throwing a banana is racist for obvious reasons i dont need to go in to. If some turkish restaurants were smashed up because nayim scored then that is also racist(whether it happened or not, i only have your word for it). The elephant chant(which i have never heard arsenal fans sing) is not racist, it might be demeaning and insulting towards his father but not racist. Since when did washing elephants become a black or african thing, much like if someone from another country insulted my father for being a fox breeder or a dog cleaner. Its cheap and easy to throw around the race card to justify his beavior. Our fans might of over reacted, but Adebayor would of expected that reaction and had a responsibility not to stoke the fire. If Ireland became lazy, whored himself for a year then made a move for more money, joined Man united and then ran the length of the pitch to taunt you im sure i would of seen a similar if not worst reaction.
paul_ownz
I take back my comment above." If some turkish restaurants were smashed up because nayim scored then that is also racist(whether it happened or not, i only have your word for it)" I took fifths word for it that he was turkish when infact he is spanish-morrocon. It makes all of what you say sound like bul**** really. Why dont you make up another racist story, chum..p
paul_ownz
You see that's the sort of evidence you need when establishing whether someone is telling the truth or not. Arsenal fans smashed up Turkish and Cypriot shops during a melee involving riot police because a Spanish player of Moroccan descent scored against Arsenal. A key fact in the invented event proves to be incorrect. Ergo the event couldn't have happened and fifthcolumnblue is therefore a confirmed, unmitigated liar.
Amos.
And the guy who displayed a Turkish Cypriot flag inside the Emirates every week obviously didn't feel threatened. (It was a matter of legal concern resulting in an 18 month ban of all national flags in the stadium, as the Turkish Cypriot flag is not officially recognised by the UN). You might also have seen a large banner Arsenal fans unfurl at every game, it features the national flag of every nationality present in the Arsenal squad (lasts eason it had the Togolese flag too) which says 'The United Colours of Arsenal.' Stick to the actual debate without your pathetic, increasingly hysterical lies.
Little Dutch
I obviously can't 100% sure on this, but aren't the large majority of businesses down th Blackstock rd area Turkish and Cypriot? So there has to be a point where the smashing up of Turkish and Cypriot shops just becomes the smashing up of shops. I think anyone who smashes up a shop because of the result of a football match is a grade A ******** moron, but when one wants to smash a shop up and there are only Turkish and Cypriot shops around, what should one do? Enter the shop and ask if they have any English ancestory before commencing with the bricks? Any football fan who claims fellow supporters of the club he follows have never induldged in a spot of post match vandalism is a bare faced liar.
Rocky7
Firstly Tim, very well written article. I popped over from VC expecting to read a few whiny posts from Gooners about Adebarndoors celebrations etc, all i can see on here is the lack of class from the Mancs (not so shocking). I can't believe some of the things City fans have written on here. Sheer pig headed ignorance after only four games. Laughable
Gleeson_23
You heard racist comments from Arsenal fans did you? So, a few racists mean all Arsenal fans are racists? I'm sure there is not one racist Citeh fan in or outside the stadium. I'm sure you would never hear any racist remark from any Citeh fan anywhere at any time for that matter. This deflective ***** is pointless. Speaking about 'individuals' does not help the MCFC case one bit, after all they're exactly that individuals. Sure there will be some racist Arsenal fans, there will be racist fans of every sports club, of any sport in the world. Your overall point though, that Arsenal fans are 'racist thugs' is nonsense, they're not Dinamo Zagreb, Atletico Madrid or Spartak Moskov fans that happily chant monkey noises in unison, what you're talking about is, at the very worst, a vocal minority of cockheads.
Ozi Gooner
one adebayor theres only one adebayor :D
steve bhoy
It is going to be SO FUNNY when City end up 10th again or thereabouts. 4 matches in and they're bragging. What a laugh. You have NO idea about sustaining consistency over 38 games. You have no idea about anything because you've been nowhere. You're going to get roundly beaten on Sunday and you lot of upstarts turn up at the Emirates, you're going to get whipped AGAIN. Enjoy the flukey results while they last. Arsenal Man U Liverpool and Chelsea are long experienced champions league campaigners and will do it again. Adebayor is quite possibly the most despicable, violent thug ever to walk on a pitch. He should be banned for good. Mind you, how surprising is that when he is currently handled by one of the dirtiest gits ever to wear a football shirt.
julieloveshenry4ever
Some bright spark on here insinuated we wanted Adebayor back. Haaaaahaa. One of the WORST ever players to sully our great club was effectively sacked at the start of the summer. He might be good enough for your classless club but he was never good enough for us. City fans- probably the most deluded in the country. And as for some of you wishing Robin HAD bee blinded- you are FILTH.
julieloveshenry4ever
you wont end up first anyway thats for sure lmao city for fourth arsenal 6th ;) thats my prediction
steve bhoy
Did you also predict that Celtic would qualify for the CL bhoyo?
Amos.
naw i never ;) i said europa league is our current position as we need to build we have a chance of winning the europa league but not the CL, youz should finsh third in your geoup and be in for a chance of winning something
steve bhoy
Or alternatively, we could join the Scottish League and win everything..........
Little Dutch
You'd better hope we don't steve ghirl. That would put us into the knockout stages of the Europa League - but then you may not get that far. You never know though Diver McGeady might win a pen at a crucial stage for you. How ironic would that be eh?
Amos.
Our under 18's could win everything in the SPL.....! Wouldn't even need to change out of their street clothes.
Amos.
hahahaha who you kidden you come to scotland you wouldnt survive lmao its physically alot tougher up here and if the old firm came down south got the money youz got you wouldnt make the top 6
steve bhoy
Errrrr, we went up to Scotland. We whooped your awful, awful arses. I was embarrassed that that was officially classed as a "Champions League" match.
Little Dutch
In fact, I even applauded Donati's goal, that is how insignificant you were as opponents.
Little Dutch
It was CL qualifier and they didn't! Not that they're complaining about it though - not much. "4-1 - we shoulda lost 4-1... we shoulda lost 4-1"
Amos.
You can always tell when a certain league is ***** because they always is "it's a physically tough league" which basically means, we're ***** at football so we just kick each other about. If we played up there, yeah you might injure a few of our players, but we are so superior that we'd pass you to death on a regular basis and you players wouldn't have the strength to out muscle my two year old son by the time the game finishies.
Rocky7
My local state league is a lot physically tougher than the Premier League too, but for some reason I don't see Arsenal's U15's winning it at a canter
Ozi Gooner
Our under 10's would win your Aussie's Premier League Oz :P
Rocky7
steve bhoy i spent a total of 6 years at various millitary bases in scotland, and went to dozens of matches ranging from old firm matches to elgin v arbroath i even watched a highland league match between inverness and buckie, so lets have less of this talk about how scottish football compares to english the likes of celtic and rangers or hibs, hearts, aberdeen etc etc etc would be relegated after one season in the premier league take a reallity check and stop deluding yourself go and book some tickets for scotlands world cup matches whoops sorry you cant, they didnt qualify
cornish gooner
You lot calling 5th a liar on here don't even know your own stupid history. He mentioned a UEFA Cup final which you lost against a Turkish team and you think it's the Cup Winners Cup against Zaragoza? How about the 2000 UEFA Cup final which you lost against Galatasaray? He remembered the goal wrong but the game right. There was a ***** load of trouble and kebab houses wrecked after that UEFA Cup game.
MCFC_Goatboy
How convenient goatboy! If the facts don't fit the lie then just change the facts eh. Fifth has lost confidence so your doing his lying for him now. How do you know there was loads of trouble after the Galatasaray game - were you there to? Caught out in a lie so invent another one. Just like the throwing bananas lie. You really are a pathetic lot desperate to excuse your own actions by lying about those of others.
Amos.
If the facts don't fit the lie are you ******** stupid. He said UEFA FINAL and TURKISH side These were the man ******** points. He messed up with the goal on a game he was half watching because it wasn't even his team. It's you twisting the facts. No I wasn't there... but the ******** TV cameras and photographers were you ***** tard. You'll defend anything won't you. You disgust me the lot of you.
MCFC_Goatboy
Watch this video you lying *****s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjlrWbb5z0s&feature=related
MCFC_Goatboy
I realised very early on that would be the half remembered incident he was talking about goatboy. There was a trouble following the trouble before the game in Copenhagen. It's not too hard to find similar stories about other clubs with the same sort of experience over the years. But he said he witnessed the riots after Seaman let a goal go over his head at the end of the match. That couldn't have been the Galatasaray game. What seems to have happened is some half remembered story that he tried to embellish by pretending he witnessed it. Just as he claimed as fact that bananas were thrown at Adebayor. At the best you can say he was confused but the core point remains the same. Excusing Adebayor by laying false claims of racism is a lie. No less than that. You are confirmed liars.
Amos.
Where exactly were me or 5th 'excusing' Adebayor. I've said numerous times if he meant it then he deserves his ban. All we've said is that his celebration is no reason for some of your fans to turn into thugs. We also said some of the Arsenal support were singing the chant about Ade's mum and dad - which you denied. Then you denied there is any racism. Then 5th reminded you of the UEFA game - which you denied happened. So it is you lot who are the confirmed liars because until your post just then the carnage involving the turkish business around your ground never happened and was a lie. Also... if these events happened then how are these claims 'false'?
MCFC_Goatboy
Nobody has said that Adebayors celebration was anything but a foolish and provocative act? Which it was. And there is plenty of acknowledgement in these forums that those supporters that threw things shouldn't be excused. You and others dishonestly tried to turn that into a race issue. By falsely claiming that bananas were thrown at Adebayor and filthcolumn blue inventing a story that he witnessed riots after he described an incident in the CWC final which didn't take place at the time of the riots was intended to embellish to the race slur. Confusion or lies it doesn't matter. The racism allegation is the lie. Those perpetuating it are liars.
Amos.
http://www.kickitout.org/news.php/news_id/3564
Little Dutch
Amos - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQvguzCi01U - 26 seconds in bananas landing either side of Ade. Or has the video been tampered with or something because even with video evidence I'm sure you'll carry on denying it.
MCFC_Goatboy
Stop acting the goat. If you can consider that grainy, indistinct video as evidence of anything other than indeterminate stuff (much of which clearly aren't bananas) being thrown on the pitch than you have a real problem in dealing with your own prejudices. The media are well aware of any racial symbolism and we would have had direct evidence if it existed. It's time for us to call a halt your obsessive prejudices and let you fester in them along with your other dishonest compatriots.
Amos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XeqF_ikDMo uploaded a better quality picture.... and a screen grab http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2779/bananawb.jpg. It's time for me halt my prejudices? Deny it all you want the evidence is right in front of you.
MCFC_Goatboy
It's evidence of nothing at all. They could be anything. You are just seeing what you want to see. Sky HD would have had it all over the back pages if there were any truth at all in the allegation. As I said - it's time to call a halt to your obsessive hate mongering. It stops now.
Amos.
 

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