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Wenger Hints At Wilshere Loan
Arsene Wenger has dropped a quite sizable hint that he would be prepared to let Arsenal starlet, Jack Wilshere go out on loan should the right club come calling.
The Arsenal gaffer has often be known for sending young players out on loan to help them further their careers (or to try and make a sale, but let's face it, that's definitely NOT what's happening here), but he's usually less enthusiastic about sending his most promising prospects away.
However, Wenger seems to be open to the prospect of sending young Jack to get some playing time as long as the prospective club offers just that. Arsene would not be keen on sending him away to warm some one else's bench, and that's a fair call.
Wenger said, "Jack is impatient to play and he wants to play, He has the quality of a top-level player but he is still very young to throw in every week in the Premier League.'
We have had a few enquiries about him. But it is always a sensitive subject to give the players out on loan because you must trust the manager that they will play them. There is a real need there. But if he goes out on loan and [just] sits on the bench it is better that he stays and practices with us."
What's the betting that Arsene's phone was ringing off the hook ten minutes after his quotes were published on Arsenal.com?
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I think somewhere like Fulham or West Ham might be best for him-they play good football and I think Zola and Hodgson can be trusted, as Wenger puts it. This is probably best for Jack, he's at a stage where he's far too good for reserves and youth but not quite good enough to be in our first team. Wenger said that he felt our level dropped against City because a lot of the young players weren't used to 90 minutes of competition at that level and that may have influenced his thinking here.
Little Dutch
Send him to either Bruce or Wigan
Trennon
That will be invaluable experience for young Jack. If the marked improvments to Song's game, after a stint with Charlton is anything to go by, it is something that needs to be part of the plan for the younger lads, yearly. The choice of acceptable clubs is another thing and I shall go for lower placed clubs who require something refreshingly different.
Naijagunner
I like the Fulham idea LD. He wouldn't have to up-sticks, Hodgeson is a good man, and Fulham are playing pretty well. There's no point in sending a classy footballer to a team that plays hoofball. Fulham it is!
Rocky7
F**k that, he's an exceptional talent, best way to learn is to play the game. Play him.
shewore
Personally I dont think he has played as many minutes as he should of for us. He always seems to have a cracking pre-season/Emirates cup and then hardly see any action? Not a massive fan of loaning out our players, Song may have benefited a little but not enough that it made him ready for our 1st team (Playing the whole season last year with us made him ready) The same with Nicky B. Also after Djorrou was loaned to Birmingham he has never been the same, Traore has he benefited? Id keep him with us and try playing him a bit more.
iceman10
I think the point is that Wilshere needs to more than just sub appearances at this stage, like I said, Wenger was clearly struck by how quickly the physical level of the younger players dropped at City. Realistically, he's not good enough to get that kind of exposure with the plethora of forwards we currently have (even with all of our injuries to attacking players, we still started Saturday's game with Nasri, Rosicky and Arshavin with Eboue playing high up the pitch). He's probably at that stage where he needs regular game time and the truth is we can't give it to him right now. His performance against City was quite average and that's probably due to that fact.
Little Dutch
He isn't going to get much playing time for us this season other than the odd cameo when we are a few goals in front. That's the dilemma with some of these kids. They need the playing time at a higher level than the reserves can offer but aren't really anywhere near ready to compete for 90 minutes at the level our expectations demand. I don't think he is even at the level that he would get into the Fulham side often enough to justify a loan there.
Amos.
Truth is nobody knows what level he is at as we haven't seen him play enough. Its a little confusing given Arsenes "killing youngsters" line that he is considering loaning out Wilshere and wants to possibly extend Rosickys contract?
iceman10
Extending Rosicky's contract for 2 or 3 years isn't going to impact greatly on 17 year old Wilshere's career. Some of these kids are in too much of a hurry. Bentley's problem was that at 19 he thought he was ready for the big time. Now he can't even hack it at the spuds.
Amos.
I was interested to read in Saturday's matchday programme Jack saying "premiership or nothing" with respect to a loan move. I think the Championship would do him good and guarentee him a starting spot in someones team. The guy needs minutes. Minutes he's not getting with us at the moment. I've seen Lansbury play a few times this season at Watford and he's doing well. Henri might not make it with us but Jack will if he's allowed to spread his wings a bit.
navydave
Is Fran ahead of Jack now in the left-footed CM/winger category? Or was the boss saying this to hint at some more playing time for Fran to get him to extend the contract? I may be reading too much into this. Back on topic though, yes Jack as you guys said does need to play but isn't quite good enough for first-team football just yet except for some sub appearances. So yes I'm all for the idea if we can find a decent club/manager who'll play him.
GoonerLou
How do we know he's not good enough?
shewore
I would chance Wenger probably does from training every day. Against City he dropped a lot in the second half and I don't see any reason at the moment to put him in as first choice ahead of Rosicky, Nasri, Eduardo, Walcott, Arshavin or Eboue. Ahead of Vela at the very most, but it's clear we can't just keep playing him for the sake of it. Wenger will know going on what he sees in training every day.
Little Dutch
The levels he dropped against City will be partly down to fitness (not enough minutes) and partly tactical awareness (not enough playing time at a high level). Talent and Ability wise id say Wilshere is better than Walcott and Eboue and on a par with Vela at least. Something doesn't add up as to why he isn't getting the minutes with us that other youngsters have in the past.
iceman10
Exactly Iceman. Fitness due to no match practice and tactical awareness. Wenger's judgement is good enough for me, but he looks like a much better footballer that Eboue & Walcott in my opinion, he really does have the touch and the vision in some matches over the last year.
shewore
Always a good sign when a young player is itching for match time and putting his manager under pressure to make a decision. It portends readiness. Silvestre rates him as among the best young players he has trained and played with, which is something (seriously), considering he has come through the Man U system. One can only hope he enjoys himself in the game tonight and show the potential he is known to have.
Naijagunner
He has more ability than Theo, and can/should start more games than him, at least. I dont like the idea of Wilshere going out on loan. I'm sure Wenger has the stats with him - how many of our players have come back and made it here after loan spells? I can only think of Bendtner and Song in the recent past (Djourou and Traore are still question marks).
prits
I think the idea that players somehow come back worst players from loan spells is a moot one. Good players had good loan spells that benefitted them (Cole, Bendtner, Song, Vela) and players who didn't make the grade didn't. There's no pattern here, if you're good enough you make it regardless of whether you go out on loan. The likes of Muamba, Bentley, Larsson, Stokes did not not make the grade at Arsenal because loan spells somehow diminished their talent, it's because they weren't good enough. It's just their loan spells helped the manager to determine that more quickly without those players stinking out our first team for too long.
Little Dutch
I personally thought Bendtner didn't come back any better off from loan, and as for Vela - what is there to indicate he'll make it at the club?
shewore
Bendtner had made one sub appearance for the first team prior to going out on loan (away at Doncaster), so how do we know he didn't come back any better? He scored nine goals in his first season in our team, I'd imagine that was aided and abetted by being Birmingham's top scorer the year before.
Little Dutch
Fair point, must've thought Brum were in the prem at the time and not going for promotion. Mentioning that he was top scorer makes me reflect that perhaps my expectations were too lofty at the time. Maintain my point about Vela though. Also, if it makes no odds if they go out on loan then why send out Wilshere?
shewore
I don't think it makes no odds whether players are sent out on loan. My point is more that good players tend to make it whether they go out on loan or not, I think Wilshere has the potential to be good enough- certainly. I think a loan spell in the second half of the season might benefit him as he's at a tricky in between stage in his development.
Little Dutch
Wilshere probably doesn't stand too much chance of getting a lot of first team action even next season. At the business end of this season he isn't going to feature much at all. That may not be a problem if he's content to follow the normal path for a 17 year old player in reserve games, training with the first team and the odd end of match cameo. Going out on loan has it's benefits but realistically he isn't likely to get too many games anywhere in a team that would help him progress any quicker. Maybe he, and supporters, should be content to let that progress follow a normal course and not try to speed it up too much.
Amos.
The squad is already short in numbers. I dont like the idea of reducing that further by sending Wilshere out on loan.
prits
If anything, sending him out on loan to a club where he gets regular games cannot fail to increase his fitness and confidence. Prits, I dont think midfield is an area we require numbers, I am more concerned about up front and defence...
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