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Unacceptable.

I always said that no matter what happens for the rest of the season that I would be proud of these boys for what they've achieved in the face of adversity, and that is still the case, but at this moment in time I can feel nothing but anger and shame.

I think (thought) injuries could have cost us a genuine shot at the title, but that couldn't be further from my mind right now. It's probably not the best idea to pen my feelings at the minute, my opinions could be considered, knee-jerk, reactionary and clouded by anger, but football is about passion so why not let it all hang out?

The way in which we blew a 2-0 lead with ten minutes to go is unacceptable, injuries or not the squad players filling their position should be at least competent enough to know the basics of football. A team harbouring ambitions of winning the titles should not capitulate in such a horrifying fashion.

Losing to Spurs is one of the most painful things in an Arsenal supporter's life, but in my 23 years as a Gooners I don't think I ever felt this angry with a loss to the Spuds. The game on Wednesday night was, in my book, just one of those results, they happen from time to time, but this ........

Maybe my anger will subside in time (don't count on it though), but right now at this moment, I am furious, and I don't suppose I'm on my own.




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The Journalist

Writer: Rocky7 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday April 18 2010

Time: 3:46PM

Your Comments

Injuries are a b**ch, just depends how you cope with them.
bernio3000
won't win the league with such defending,
49ers
C'mon, you had almost all your first team out, what were you supposed to do? I as a Spurs fan should be trolling, but I can't. Yes, Arsenal were 2-0 up after 80 minutes, but with a patched up back four and a frankly ludicrous goalkeeper, I really don't think Wigan's comeback was astonishing, except for the unbelivable discovery that this Wigan team has that kind of bottle. Cheer up, Rocky7, and pick yourselves up for next season. And, on that note, how much longer before we overtake you, based on this form?
DubaiSpur
Tough luck Rocky, but if you are going to keep employing has-been CB's what do you seriously expect? Wenger has completely lost the plot, but suspect thta if he stays he will still say give me another 5 yrs to let the kids grow up!
Spursex
DS - Had we lost the game from the begining I might ... might ... have agreed with you, but 2-0 with ten minutes to go against Wigan? An absolute f***ing disgrace.
Rocky7
that must have hurt
Blue Mike
You need a new goalkeeper, Joe Hart perhaps or is he too English for Wenger? Apart from that there's nothing that much wrong you have plenty of injurys and its hard. You're still easily the 3rd best team in the land. You havent improved though his season, i'd dare say youve declined a little when you consider that Utd and Liverpool arent as good as they were 2 years ago and Chelsea are getting old (The prem isnt as strong this year - hell we're in 4th ffs!) yet you're still miles away from the league and youve sneaked how many points in the last minute?
HuddersfieldYiddo
2-0 up with 10 minutes to go is arguably the hardest thing to defend, Rocky7. Examples from this season alone would beEverton fighting back in the last ten minutes to draw 2-2 with us, and that was an injury-hit Everton side. Basically, if you let in a goal, and it does become two-one, the opposition will fight tooth and nail to get the equaliser, and the defence will lose the confidence they had at 2-0. At that point, with a nervous young keeper and an old central defensive pairing which should never have been out there at all, what can you expect? So what I suggest is stop wallowing in your self-despair, realise that wih your first team out, you wouldn't have let that hsppen, and get on with the next game.
DubaiSpur
I've got Spurs fans trying to pick me up when Arsenal have just suffered one of the most laughable and embarassing defeats I've ever seen in my life .... is the world about to end? lol
Rocky7
Make em walk the plank off Wigan pier. When the tide's out.
nikolaijns
Can't believe some Spurs fans are here to try and reason with us with points that some may see as excuses. Thanks anyway though lol... Perversely I'm glad I killed my title hopes after the WHL game, despite Chelsea's slip-up. If I had my hopes up again, I don't think I could've lived with this today. It's hope that kills you and all that lol.. Can't believe I'm actually laughing.
GoonerLou
Blue and white army Blue and white army Blue and white army Blue and white army Unlucky arsenal
wigan-latics
It's probably because we're playing city next and they wouldn't mind a favour ;)
Gun 'Em Down
I think Wenger honestly believed we could have a shot at the title after Chelsea's loss so he decided not to gamble with RVP. Personally I would have played him wiht 20 mins remaining but I don't blame him after what happened with Gallas and Cesc. Truth be told Wigan deserved to win the game, we never really bossed the game and we didn't create many chances. The biggest worry now is that we are looking down instead of up. Second was a very realistic target before this game now fourth is even more realistic. City at home, Blackburn away, and Fulham at home. Three tough fixtures considering the players we have available.
gronedrone
Gun 'Em Down, certainly would be appreciated. :) But no, I don't know about everyone else, but I feel Arsenal didn't deserve that, but your injuries caught up with you, and that's something you can do nothing about. It's not a 5-0 drubbing with your best team out, after all.
DubaiSpur
All season we've been complaining that Almunia isn't good enough and we've known since January that 2 games in a week is too much for Sol and playing a rookie DM was always going to carry risks. That's the choice you make at this time of the season. The title had probably gone away but would it have made more sense to stick with what we know of Almunia and perhaps Diaby at centre back or do you take the risk of blooding players in the hope that the experience will serve them well in the future?
Amos.
I mean fair play these sub par braindeads have got us through lean times after the uprooting next door, and they've done a job keeping us in the CL revenue. But we've all seen enough to know this bunch will never win a trophy, fragile, injury prone, mentally deficient, spineless bottlers. Way way too much dreck, packed with carling cup extras that should never have been green lighted to the first team in the way they have.
nikolaijns
Am I the only one thinking the only positive is that this must have forced Wenger's hands in the transfer market at long last?
GoonerLou
Well have to say well done to Wigan for having the character to come back like even if the goals resulted from s****y defending and abysmal goalkeeping from flappyhandski. I dont want AW out because I cant see who would replace him and quite frankly it would not help anything and we will be worse off then we are now. However 5 years now without a trophy for a club of Arsenal's size is simply not good enough. I may have brought this building of a team and thinking of the future stuff 2-3 years ago, but if our future is the likes of Diaby, Denilson and Fabianski then god help us. Some major changes are needed and I hear AW does have money to spend and I fully expect him to do that by investing in a quality CB to partner TV (2 if Billy Gallas is on his bike), a decent goalie and perhaps a good DM to back up Song. If we have the Chamakh deal done then great. Guys like Diaby, Bendtner and Fabianski should be nothing more then fringe players next season. Silvestre should be gone.
True-Gooner-Blood
I was really looking forward to next Saturdays game about six weeks ago but I dread the thought. Even against Hull I am not so sure. Never since I have been following our team have I been so disappointed two weeks in a row. I've been giving my brother in law a Pool supporter stick nearly all season. His evil smiling is now really starting to get to me. A loss to the Spuds is bad enough and now a loss to Wigan FFS. But I have an awful feeling we wont make the CL next year. That will really be unacceptable Rocky.
alwaysgunner
Cheers to the reasonable Spurs fans on here. I agree with Amos about Almunia. Yes he may be frozen out in the summer but now was not the time to upset the apple cart in defence. Especially when Silvestre and Campbell have little or no experience playing with Fabianki. Maybe AW acted too soon in sacking Almunia who we may not see again this season or next.
Deltaforce
We all feel a bit sick Rocky... poor in goal, weak at the back, no authority further up the field - all our weaknesses summed up (again) in one match... we can put this into as much context as we want (other teams struggled at Wigan etc) but there's no escaping the fact that good parts of our first team are a bit feeble mentally... its like a cancer that spreads to team-mates and before you know it everyone's wobbling... we need at least one or two meaner older heads in there. I dont even blame the players - much as I stand by Wenger, this is down to him. It'll be interesting seeing how he goes about improving things over the summer.
Andy-bayor
I was actually not that angry, but more resigned, which must say a lot. The team were a ******** disgrace today, coz the same thing has happened so many times last season, and the team simply refuses to learn simple / basic footballing lessons.
prits
We wanted it more than you and got what we deserved in the end the 3 points...when Walcott went off it allowed both Figueroa and Moses a lot more freedom down our left, that was a turning point for me
worbo
Embarassing!!!! that what is was, it even if we could manage to wein it 2-1 it was embarassing ... the way the players looked, oh poor AW where did all the talks about strong mentality go?? there was no spirit at those lads they were playing like a zombies .... instead of netting 6,7, or even 8 past poor latics side, we just handed them the game in some cheep & lame way ... shame on us!!! But as my anger just going up & i feel wanna shout & break something or someone, some positives might come out ot this shame & lame performance Goalkeeper: even the stubborn AW will get it now, Fabianski & Almunia will not be at Arsenal first team next year (hopefully) Defense: Campbell is great as a second back-up, Silvestre even not that ... we Have Vermaelen, we need another top class CB & then we have Djourou also ... DM: Song, we Have only one Song, & we need another one at least ... Forward: keep what you have & Extra Chamack will do
bade the gooner
Lou, we have had disappointing seasons before. What will happen is this. Wenger might want to buy players now, however he will assess things in the summer and decide that his players need to be given another chance given that they are young and that next year we will have more luck with injuries. He will then come out and say that his targets were overpriced or that buying experienced players would kill young players he has nurtured for 5 years. Arshavin spoke his mind and said we needed character and 3 world class players, he was right. The pain of defeat will hurt AW today but in the summer it will all be forgotten. Chamack cost between £7-10m last year and we refused to pay and got hit by Bendtner and RvP injuries early on and had to play with liliputian Arshavin upfront. I am not saying Chamack would have been a great signing or uninjured, it is just an example of our lack of cover, luck or money.
Gael-Force
We will go round in circles then and win nothing whilst AW is in charge. Iwould thought he would want some more trophies on his record before he retires, but he is more interested in this 5 year experiment (and counting). I still think AW is the man to lead us but only if he recognises the need to strengthen with proven players.
True-Gooner-Blood
Spuddies consoling gooners? has the world gone mad? i need to wake up...
Gael-Force
I hear what you're saying Gael but it's got less to do with transfers than the current players. And my point remains that the likes of Nasri and Diaby really SHOULD have been enough to stand in for Cesc, Arshavin albeit not with the same quality of course. Nasri and Diaby are full internationals, not Silvestre or Fabianski and should have been enough to just 'do a job' professionally at Wigan. That's what p!55es us off really.
GoonerLou
TGB, if we get proven players, we will kill the youngsters... and that is not what AFC is about.
Gael-Force
Gael Force, Bordeaux demanded 15 million quid last summer for Chamakh. In the January transfer window earlier this year they were not willing to sell Chamakh because they knew that getting 4-5 million is no use when they could rather use him in the CL and in their league challenge. So Chamakh was NOT available last summer for 7-10 million. Fair points about our general complacency in the transfer market however.
Deltaforce
Lou, i agree. I just don't see the hunger in Nasri and Diaby these days. I am not sure the pros these days are interested in trophies. They just want the pig paychecks and nice lifestyles. I remember that Diaby's best mate Lass Diarra already had his aston martin while he was a reserve player at Chelski. Where are you gonna get the motivation from if you have it all? We have given new extended contracts to most of our players this year and yet we persist with the 1 year deals for over 30s like Billy G. I wouldn't blame Gallas to move elsewhere. He is a brilliant fighter and deserve a bit more. I think that policy needs to be reviewed on a case per case basis.
Gael-Force
DF, you are probably right then. 15m for a chamack with 1 year left is ridiculous. i have watched him a few times, he is excellent in the air, with the flicks and holding up the ball but he's not a deadly striker a la RvP. However he might become one as he will get more chances at Arsenal. that said i have a feeling that that deal could well be hijacked with a higher salary from another club. After all he's coming on a free.
Gael-Force
GF, I take your point but whilst we are waiting for the youngsters to develop and realise their full potential, we are going to need someone to lead our line, someone who can give the team the right kick just enough to make us more competitive in the league and the Champions League. The youngsters could also benefit more as they will have role models to look up to and aspire to be. A successful team needs a combination of experience and youth.
True-Gooner-Blood
Rocky, I'm as angry as I've been for a while now. You just don't give away 2-0 leads if your players have any sort of mental toughness. An ineffective striker, too many coasters in midfield, a patched up defence, a flaky keeper. What did we all expect? Well, not to capitulate like that. Our best form of defence during that game was attack, because we KNOW this team cannot defend. So as soon as we bring off Walcott and leave RVP on the bench we're asking for trouble.
Wyn Mills
Agree with you Gael Force about Gallas. Its good to retain our younger players on longer contracts but not all of them. Performance should be the criteria for lengthening of contracts not youth alone or the fact that the club has already spent lot of time and money in developing them.
Deltaforce
TGB, that was tongue-in-cheek. I was merely quoting one of AW's favourite reasons for not bringing in experienced players. I personally feel its the lack of experienced hands around that kill our our youngsters and might make our not so young youngsters like Cesc look for a team where they are not carrying the whole load. Cesc's own game is developing, he hasn't got time to teach other youngsters. But what do i know? I am not Wenger.
Gael-Force
Those two players were properly playing to try and get into the France squad and they admitted as much, fair enough, that's the motivation they needed. Where has that desire gone? We talk about leaders. It's a disgrace that these guys just don't play the same game without their captain who's just around their age. Granted, the combined leadership of Cesc, Arshavin, Gallas and Vermaelen was good. Today Sol's the probably sole leader on the pitch and couldn't get them going despite showing his passion and leading by example. The likes of Diaby and Rosicky should have led/helped Eastmond, who ironically showed more desire as the youngest kid on show. I hope they look at themselves in the mirror in summer and see how the improved contracts came their way without their having to earn them.
GoonerLou
On the other hand, if we don't hand the kids the contracts, they will get poached. We can't win here. We have to protect our investments and hope we raise players with character.
Gael-Force
On the contract extensions without the players earning them, I blame the wage inflation ignited by the likes of Chelsea, Real and Barca, I blame the transfer rules that force the managers' hands into renewing contracts to keep their players' worth, I blame the agents, in short, I blame the general greed in the sport. Oh well.
GoonerLou
Cheer up gooners, it's just a bad goalie and the injury of CB hurt you most. If Wenger really got 30 million pounds to spend next season like he say (and also not selling any current young starlet). I believe you guys will be very competitive next season as pool and Chelsea are getting old and worse in the future.
Paul_Superspurs
Exactly Gael, you just beat me to the contract thing. What a bad day this has been - I went to the wrong place for lunch, dropped my iphone in the toilet and now this. Better go to bed to cut this day short. :S
GoonerLou
Why would the players not coast through the game when the manager was doing exactly the same? It was clear as day diaby and nasri simply weren't giving 100% after the 2nd went it so either give them a rocket or pull them off? Today was truly unacceptable from top to bottom.
Iceman10
Where is this spurs' schadenfreude coming from? Am i missing a wind up somewhere?
Gael-Force
Look, We're not a kindergarden for youth players. Yes, its nice when players come through the ranks and stay with the club...but let's get real. Arsenal don't pay the highest wages around so anyone who is really good will probably get poached. We live in a different world where money talks and talent walks. Wenger gets his players to play in a system, and he likes younger players because they're easier to adapt to his system. That doesn't necessarily preclude older more experienced players. All this BS about not wanting to kill young player development...if that's the case why are we signing Chamakh? I think even Wenger realises now that we need more maturity.
Wyn Mills
I dont know what the hell happened to Rosicky. Dont know if its just injuries that messed him up but he is a shadow of the player he was when he first joined. Remember his thunderbolt against Hamburg in the C/L in 2006/2007 season and his brace at Anfield the same season in the F.A cup. Saw him against the Spuds on Wednesday and he wouldnt shoot, kept losing the ball cheaply and was largely ineffective much like today. Such a shame cause he really could have been a great, but I suppose a large part isnt his fault with the injuries and all...
True-Gooner-Blood
Ice, that's what I don't understand. Why Wenger reacted so slowly to his midfield losing the battle. It seems all he does these days is flap arms when our players are booked.
Wyn Mills
looks like the pair of us are intent on handing Fergie the title!
merlin
Just back home from the DW and I am still fuming. Do we not have anyone with the **** sense to put their foot in and see a game out ? Any decent side would have gone on to win that game quite comfortably. Not us though, we continued to mince around when the heat was turned up. Fair play to Wigan for having a real go and getting what they deserved, a good win. AW, how dare you serve up that insipid, spineless rubbish in such a big game. Pick a team with the **** nous and savvy, as well as the b*llocks to see us through the 90+ minutes.
Cockney Rich
At least Chelsea shoot when they can see the goal.
Wyn Mills
Sorry for the language above. It's not normally my style,but what I have just witnessed at Wigan was shameful.
Cockney Rich
Isnt it obvious.. the second team dont have the mentality of winners. A bunch of pathetic also rans -who by themselves will never win anything - not because they dont have the talent but because they dont have the attitude. Our backups during the unbeaten run was the likes of Parlour, Keown etc - all men who would die for the club and here we have a bunch of morons. Diaby, - I dont ******** care what a season he has had, he needs to go.. and also a whole lot of our second team. No pride. No place in the arsenal team.
Sajit
Rosicky has definitely gone backwards. He used to be able to thump a ball. He used to be able to win midfield battles. Not any more it appears. But what does he care? He's got his new contract.
Wyn Mills
You really are the laughing stock of London right now. From all at Vital Spurs.
i love arry
Glad to take the mantle from your club for this week you love arry. It must be a heavy burden for Spurs to carry all the time :-)
Deltaforce
Its just classic Arsenal this season. Every opportunity in which other teams have failed we've messed up (other than the Bolton game). Earlier in the season, we had the opportunity and lost to Sunderland. This team needs to learn how to win, and as a fan I'm slightly fed up of waiting for this grit and determination to shine through. Admittedly, before the Spurs game I was quite content. We'd improved on last year, and, considering the injuries 3rd is a good effort, especially VP (who is as important to us as Rooney is to United, and I would have loved to see how they would have done if he got injured). But after today, this team hashown they just cannot take the opportunities, and what does this hold for next season? Will it just be a repeat? We need to grow up, and grow up fast. Unless big changes are made in the next 3 years, I would end Wenger's project and sack him.
LankyGun
Thought we'd give you a week or two off from it arry, happy holidays. see you when you get back and you can pick up your 50 year slump again.
nikolaijns
I really wish I hadn't gone to the game today. It was a disgraceful performance in such a big game. I really can't see us picking up another win this season,and can anyone tell me the last time that we won a really BIG game ?
Cockney Rich
Deltaforce, thats the thing with Arsenal, they're always looking at the past. Tottenham look to the future. COYS!
i love arry
im not here clown on anyone but man that game winning goal what a rocket i do feel bad for you as you CB pairing is worse then sticking needles in your eyes!
RagingSpur
Cockney Rich, I thought our win at Anfield this season with Arshavin scoring was big. The must win against Porto at home after suffering a 2-1 reverse at Porto is second on my list and the 3-0 thumping of spurs at home third. But overall our record in games against major rivals was not good enough.
Deltaforce
i love arry lol, I'll give that tw@.nker 12 months max before he's utterly embarrassed by that username.
nikolaijns
Deltaforce, you have summed up my point completely. Over a season, a win against a dire Liverpool side and an under strength Porto, doesn't really do it for me. A win at home against Spuds is routine and expected, so you can scratch that one off as well.
Cockney Rich
Unless it's her boyfriends name in which case as you were.
nikolaijns
When alls said and done at least we aint liverpool or sp*rs, citeh will trounce us next week 1-3 no problem, which I couldn't care less about really, in fact I'll ***** myself if it's the points that mash the spuds over their slippery unattainable of CL football.
nikolaijns
Unaceptable !! how dare the mighty arse concede a 2 0 lead !!!! how dare the mighty arse come a p,,, poor 2nd to their masterly neighbours !!!!!! how dare they ? get real and get used to it, it hurts when you lose,,,dont it !!!!!!!!!! I wonder how many rats will jump ship now that the wheels have fell off your cannon ?
Born&BredSpur
BBS, if finishing 3rd in the premier league means that our wheels have fallen off, you have been wheel less wonders for a looooong time now.
Deltaforce
After what I HAVE SEEN OVER THE WEEK FINAL POSITIONS MANURE CHAVS SPUDS MANCITY ARSENAL FINAL RESULTS CITY 4 ARSENAL 0 HULL 1 ARSENAL 1 BLACKBURN 2 ARSENAL 0 FULHAM 3 ARSENAL 1. I hope I'm wrong but after this week.
alwaysgunner
last 6 games...won 1(against wolves)draw 2 lost 3 (in a row) not good enough...we lost today because we gave them the chance to come back,that chance came when they scored their first goal, their first goal was scored by a midfielder, who was being tracked by diaby who decided it was better to watch the ball then the midfielder running past him,whats his excuse for not defending? he does not have the mental ability to be an Arsenal player
fran merida
DF was not here to gloat, just cant believe how quick some of you are to start screaming for your money back when it dont go your way.
Born&BredSpur
BBS, one of the casualties for our stellar form in the years 1998-2004 was that a few plastics boarded the Arsenal express. They are a minority but like most minorities are quite vocal. They are however not the kind who will jump ship. They will scream and boo and consequently reduce the performance of the club - something that was not their intention in the first place.
Deltaforce
Yeah Borninbredspur, VS is such a rose garden when you guys lose ie every other week. You tear each other apart with snarling insults abuse and bile about whatever player Jenas'd it up, so do spare us the sanctimonious piffle and get your own house in order first.
nikolaijns
Was thinking more along the lines of Fabregas having his head turned ??
Born&BredSpur
What like Carrick? like Berbatov? like Keane? like ad infinitum for the thousands of players that have trod the stepping stone of WHL
nikolaijns
Sunderland went 13 without a win and we had massive injury problems but no one spoke about them in the press or on other forums. We now have a team back together and we are playing good football. Its a blow to lose players but its not an excuse.
GazJohnson
Oh dear the playground insults have started !!! thanks for the chat DF at least some of you have a clue bye bye Nikolarse xx
Born&BredSpur
Missing you already inbred
nikolaijns
since you guys hate eduardo we will take him off your hands and give you jenas? deal?
RagingSpur
On days like these, Arsenal really make me physically sick... i have stomach ulcers. But for some unknown sado-masochistic reason that i probably will never fully comprehend, next saturday i will be back for more.... chin up gooners...
Gael-Force
You can't blame what happened there on Abramovich's financial doping or clubs with vaster resources. That was all about a lack of the right mental attitude, organisation and just plain coasting through, thinking we'd won. Credit to Wigan, they deserved what they got and deserved what we did. That would never happen to United and Chelsea, never. For me, this team isn't organised defensively enough to play 4-3-3.
Gooner_Vin
We hate eduardo? where the hell has anyone here said that ragingsp*r? Even if we did we still respect him not to offload him to the graveyard of talent. Jenas? not even Wenger could work miracles on that streak of guff.
nikolaijns
We don't want Eduardo, we don't need another Croat, we've got the best three. Besides, he'd never get through the medical with his fold-away leg.
Tony Rocky Horror
Well TRH, we were hoping when you said you would be on VS "firing your gun in the air" you meant it literally and not metaphorically.
Deltaforce
I was addressing my compatriots who are trawling this site making you offers like 'Eduardo for Jenas'. Like i said, we goaded you for a bit after the NLD, but to continue now would just be inhuman, you're that terrrible.
Tony Rocky Horror
I have a feeling that this is one of those defeats whose hurt is going to go away easily. :-(
Gooner_Vin
The same medical that got King and Anderton their gig? Yeah I wouldn't put too much faith in that.
nikolaijns
King and Anderton? What about Woodgate and Alan Hutton. Does someone at facejacker do the medicals in north London?
iceman10
Continue as much as you like wembley horror show, all you're doing is reinforcing the stereotype that sp*rs have the mouthiest, ugliest braggards as fans. The whole network knows you lot are always stinking up the place, with a galaxy sized inferiority complex and the stunningly misplaced misconception you are a big club that the world gives a dribbly sh11te about.
nikolaijns
lol iceman
HuddersfieldYiddo
lol iceman, woodgate lives? does he still have that tragic haircut thinking hhe's still mr madrid galactico? instead of a dead end has been in a futile joke toilet of a club in the boggy wasteland of outer london.
nikolaijns
Oh dear niko, you seem a little peeved off.......Had a bad week?
HuddersfieldYiddo
niko, love the spuds retort of yours, we've had them on VC, world cup winners and UEFA CL winners as well!!!watched your game and I still cannot believe what I saw. how the feck did that happen?? Feel genuine sympathy for Fabianski. Poor bloke looked devastated. a crappy weeked all round!!
springy
***** niko you are a bitter haha these defenders you are having a pop at is 1.King...yep he may be injured alot but for the games he has played this season makes every arse def look titus bramble like in quality it really is that simple as for the big club tag?? i for one know Spurs are not as big as yourselves or the 2 currently running away from you in the table But do remember all you have is cobwebs in your trophey cabinet and surely the tag of the nearly men in the champs league...oh sure its nice to qualify every season...but by the sounds of things its just not enough is it!! and finally a graveyard of talent...you would love the likes of Gomes as gk Lennon and Bale on the wings they make your lot look positively crap!!! you lack the bite of palacios you have the weak Denilson so theirs a few for you to think over Graveyard of talent...Behave mate and before spewing your bile think before you get carried away and speak.Wenger isnt a fool and next year if he swollows some pride he will have you running smooth with a few quality players...Im not here to argue with any of you guys but goodness me theirs always 1 or 2 isnt their.....evening all :)
only 1 spurs
Micko - Happy L'Arsewinf@ckallagainday, cheers!
HATEtheGOONERS
Fabianski does look broken springy, can't really see how he can bring himself up from that as it's just the latest in a line of high profile disappointments for the lad. I'm not bitter at all only1spurs I'm just here on the site of my club fielding off halfwits like your good self, bitter implies I had hope for this squad, I can provide posts pre season which proves that aint the case. I'm just impressed given our now traditional plague of injuries we've stayed in it until the last couple of weeks. No bitter is what you humps will be when you fail to get your fourth place. Don't fear though I'll be there for you, and it'll be a long long summer in my sympathetic company.
nikolaijns
speaking of halfwits, hello hatethegooners, wow this is a real get together for all the over confident gloating little lilysh11te gibbons
nikolaijns
Oh shut it Niko, you Woolwich nut mustard presser.
Tony Rocky Horror
Tut tut Nikolarse, you really are a bad loser, are,nt you !!!!
Born&BredSpur
Only a pair of halfwit white 'tard laners could come on here with the intent of winding up gooners only to be the ones who get wound up themselves! What a pair of cunnys PMSL! Don't worry Wembley horror show and borninbred. When you inevitably feck up in spectacular sp*rts fashion crapping yourselves in spectacular fashion I will be there all over your poxy bitter little site. It'll be a long summer for you when the cock gets strangled at another false dawn.
nikolaijns
Dont move a muscle nikolarse,,,,,just off to get me fishing rod, seems you keep rising to the bait,pmsl at you, the WUM that WUMS him self up Lets all larf at Niko lets all larf at Niko la la la la la la
Born&BredSpur
On yer bike yet Wenger worshipping cock juggler.Seriously, stick some wood in the hole, you're splattering man juice everywhere. Why don't you get yourelf off to a St Totterening's day party? Oh wait........oh dear, bit of a disaster wasn't it? Booze was extortionate, decorations and music were cheap and nasty, food was stale and tasteless, everyone left at 11.30 because they were 'tired'. Maybe its time for a new ritual: a party to celebrate Woolwich Islington Don's catastrophic, pathetic, supine capitulation as they frantically scramble to save their season from it's annual Waterloo. Anyways, i'm off to watch MOTD 2 because i've got some serious laughing to do.
Tony Rocky Horror
I shall be smiling all week .....again!
keefdayid
what a great goal fab!
keefdayid
I can take both of you weak arsed spud beeyatchs with both arms behind my back. I slap my cock in your squealing girly faces. I tag team your engorged mothers then tie them to my chariot and whip them up and down tottyscum high rd whilst humming the theme to Ben Hur very loudly. I've run round your dosshole of a 'locale' with my willy hanging out so many times it's been given the key to the city. I've laughed enough at sp*rs to last me an eternity, til I thought it wasn't possible to laugh any further, but I always involuntarily chuckle out a little more. Whatever happens in the centurys ahead between the little and large of the footballing world nothing and I mean nothing will ever touch the last day of the '06 season, we left our beloved Highbury and you lot? well you shhat yourself didn't you. Folklore, pure and simple, you'll never live it down. Bye bye panty fillers.
nikolaijns
Quick pass us the landing net some one, caught a whopper here , oh no its only Nikolarse telling Whoppers, I,ll throw the stickleback back again until he grows up a bit ! Gonna leave you alone now Nikolaijns, you obviously cant take back what you dish out, can ya ! Apoligies to the rest of you
Born&BredSpur
What I've dished out? What are you burbling on about inbred? I laugh long and hard at you on our forum for sure, always have always will. I have been over to vital fifth place and posted the grand sum of twice this season and one of those wasn't even a wind up. Get back in the attic you clump, you're scaring the guests.
nikolaijns
I talking about your bitter twisted outbursts on this thread Silly Boy Lemon,,grow up ffs
Born&BredSpur
i drive my colonial Jack boot into your gibbering face, before hoisting you into the air as you quiver and convulse. I drop you to the floor and watch you tremble at my feet, before urinating all over your frothing gums. I grab you again by the weasly throat and whipser softly in your grubby lug holes "THERE'S A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN"! I then leave you to world of agony, a nexus of Woolwich pain, and simpering, pathetic, supine defeat and annhilation. I've deficated on *****ebury, unleashed my grubby load all over the tacky, fake, art deco frontage. You....you're my obliging rent-boy, my F>U>C>K muse,whom i whip into a state of abject humilation on a near daily basis.
Tony Rocky Horror
Why the hell are both of you using this type of langauage on a forum based on football GROW UP!!!
saint_gunnax
Who ever monitors these forums could you sort this ***** out please!
saint_gunnax
Whatever borninbred reread the thread, see your first gloating arrogant haha childish comments and wonder why you got the reply you did? Sober up you smurf, you're the halfwit trying to dish it out, I'm here on the site of my club swatting you grubs away like the insignificant gnats you are. @wembley horror show, yeah you need a lot of work there timewarp, that's not funny just a bit sad, and trying waaaay to hard - apart from the spelling which is up to your usual appalling standard lol. whipser haha deficated heh heh annhilation ahhhaaaahahaha. Embarrassing, another smurf that needs schooling or sobering up, which is it timewarp?
nikolaijns
I lost a big chunk of respect for this team today. They've worked so hard to build up some good will and defy some negative vibes and they've blown it all again. This is the only time in my life I have ever wanted a full refund for attending a game. Football has many variables and ***** sometimes happens, but this was utterly unacceptable. If the club has any PR sense they will make it public that the 13 players prominently involved are having their wages recycled for the week and distributed either to those of us that left our houses at 4.30am to watch or to a charitable cause. The only consolation I can give other Gooners is that the M6 was an absolute bitch and it took six hours to get home. Notmuch fun for us, but I found a little consolation in the fact that the players couldn't take their usual route offlying to the game, so they will have been caught up in the motorway problems too.
Little Dutch
who the feck are you gunnax? we're having some edgy banter. P1sh off and let mumsy tuck you in.
nikolaijns
Then read my 2nd post, it was you who spouted the name calling and as for the rest of your bile well !! ladys and gentlemen I rest my case
Born&BredSpur
Hope you see some cash back LD, won't hold me breath though, Wigan did the decent thing when the filth thrashed them but then they only had to reimburse £50 to the two that turned up.
nikolaijns
Got got a hearty taste of your own medicine?_you sad, sad individual. I'm the only one laughing because i whipped you yet again.
Tony Rocky Horror
LOL!! You up for a blackball finish Woolwich?
Tony Rocky Horror
I don't have to read your backtracking second post I saw your first post borninbred, that set the scene for your sorry cameo in this thread. Now back in the attic clumpy!
nikolaijns
I'm not holding my breath either Niko, the players are fecking criminals if they accept their wages this week. Paltroons and hypocrites. Hopefully Mr. Wenger and his players can tell me in advance if I need bother travelling to Blackburn on Bank Holiday Monday.
Little Dutch
You cant grasp what I was saying so I wont waste my breath with you any more mr big behind the computer ! sorry to the rest of you for having such an unhinged person in your ranks
Born&BredSpur
So i made a few spelling mistakes-Einstein couldn't spell either and you wouldn't kick him out the tripos for getting his 'theirs' and 'theres' confused, would you?
Tony Rocky Horror
C 'mon, i'm gonna give you something to shake...here it comes.
Tony Rocky Horror
Sad little spud has small Cock syndrome "I win" after every feckin post.
iceman10
Oh what a way to wake up on a Monday morning, top result for Wigan, they are just about safe, start looking over your shoulders Gooners you may lose third spot. HAHAHAHA.
TergeHauge
Fair point about the wages LD, and although they have responsibility, the majority of the blame for this lies squarely with Wenger. This is without doubt his creation - he sets the standard and if somebody continuously fails to meet it but you still place faith in them, its an admirable thing but you own the consequences - postive or negative. IF we had won this title it would also have been down to Wenger... but we didn't. On my part I support him totally and I'm really eager to see his answer to this... managers likehim dont come round too often and I have faith that he'll rectify and imrpove things.
Andy-bayor
How Fabianski got near the Arsenal teamsheet after a) his feck up in the FA cup semi v chelsea and again b) after his Porto debacle, I do not know. What exactly did Mannone do wrong to never get another game after his heroic start to the season?
Will-i-am10
Mannone is the worst of our 3 keepers, he was fortunate to play when we were in a run of games against teams lower in the table. It looks painfully like our best goalkeeper is currently in between the sticks for Brentford at the moment!
Little Dutch
Will you missed out his diabolical showing in the cup vs Stoke.
iceman10
Well done Niko you've surpassed yourself dealing with the *****ty end of the spud family... my sides are splitting reading that... it's like a zombie movie with these guys... you knock them down over the weeks and months but there's always another one (just as ugly) that comes along to replace him!
Andy-bayor
Jesus timewarp, get a grip man, you're rapidly frothing into a rabid freak, the only sad sad individuals here are you chimps - you have both been on here ALL day, neither of you have had anything of note to say and you're both utterly unwitty and slow in your execution of it, you're very poor trolls, your level of banter has been weaker than watered fosters. Vital Bolton offered a greater challenge not to mention command of the English language and you sought to irritate but I've had more annoying clinkers tbf ;) You're both obviously p1ssed like the pikey ferrets you are and your standard will doubtless slip further and quicker than sp*rs title hopes in September so I'll bid you subbies goodnight.
nikolaijns
Nite nite Nikolarse dont stay up to late playing,,,,with yourself as you,ve got school in the morning,,thats if you aint bunking off again hiding away in disgrace RUPMSLMFAO at you.
Born&BredSpur
I think Andy that far too many of our club is in the comfort zone with Arsene, there's none of the fear factor there that there is with Ferguson, they need to see a few shippings out in the summer. Really want Wenger to show the same ruthlessness he had in disbanding the invincibles, not that this squad needs that but it needs an almighty arsekicking.
nikolaijns
Yeah, whatever Woolwich, bottom line is i'm the jinking Welsh wizard with the curly chest hair and the whirling shirt and you're the fat lad with the John Jensen haircut and the shorts around your chubby ankles!
Tony Rocky Horror
I get the feeling we'er going to see some shippings alright... Wenger gave this squad longer than he wuold have normally because they were almost entirely his own baby unlike the part-inherited invincibles. He can be angry with his team but he'll maybe be a bit angry with himself too. Fingers crossed he makes the right calls this summer and we can get back to more winning ways as well as titles gained at the ground of our cack-stained neighbours.
Andy-bayor
Hi guys and girls(Lou), been a long while since I posted on here but thought compelled to do so after last nights result. I honestly think you have had a massive chunk of bad luck(again) this season with the loss of RVP and then Cesc at different times which has really hurt you. In saying that I feel that some harsh decisions are gonna have to be made in the summer for you guys to mount a serious challenge which in fairness you are not far from considering up untill y/day you were still in the Prem race. I feel AW may have to be a bit ruthless with some sales in the summer.Rocisky,Campbell,Silvestre and dare I say it even Eduardo should be moved on to make way for fresh middle-aged talent to re-invigorate the squad. Franck Riberry would have been perfect for you a couple of seasons ago but is now probably out of reach moneywise.If Chamack is a done deal then he can replace Eduardo but the issue all clubs have this year is the WC so all deals are on hold untill the tournament is finished and then clubs inflate there fees if one of their players has a good tournament. At all costs you must hang on to Cesc but how much longer can he stay loyal to Arsenal if signings are not made. Make no mistake you dont become a bad team overnight and as much as the Wigan and Spurs results hurt you will always be a force with your free flowing style of football. As a Spurs fan all my life nobody knows frustration and disappointment more than us,just look at Wembley last week.Football changes so quickly and the good times may be just around the corner again,who knows!
cockaduddle
Make an example of someone - Vela, Diaby, Rosicky, Nasri even - say that some these players aren't hungry enough for Arsenal. Let them stew for a month, then sell them to Madrid for 15 m. I hate this viewpoint because the D&Gers use it all the time, but either are players are too comfortable, not hungry or not good enough.
hughied
Thanks for your kind words cockaduddle. Well played against Chelsea on Saturday. You totally owned them in the game.
Deltaforce
Well, It's the morning after the Lunch-time b4! I watched the match in my local which has some Very Happy Spuds and Unhappy Hammers in it. So you can imagine the banter flying about! 0v2 up after not playing that well, suited me fine, then with 10 mins to go. The Arsenal team Fell Totally Apart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How does a Top 3 team, manage to let in 3, Yes F**king 3 goals in 10 mins?! My only thought is that We hate Hull so Much, that we are Happy to Help Wigan out with gifting them 3pts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hackneyval
Maybe there is truth in the comfort zone theory, but our approach yesterday is probably no surprise when, as I've said before, the manager takes a publicly hierarchical stance with games. He's constantly telling them some games are worth winning more than others, some trophies are more valuable than others. Whilst I can appreciate some semblance of rality grounded in that, do we really need to hear the manager saying it over and over again? Surely it reinforces the notion that the players pick and choose which games they go for. Yesterday, they elected not to and that should not be tolerated. As I've said above, and I've never, ever said this before, the players should be very publicly admonished via an announcement on the website that their wages are being rescinded for this week. It's the only way they can begin to a) heal a massively negative rift they have now opened up with the supporters again having worked so hard to win them back and b) to let the players know this sort of unprofessional arrogance will not be accepted at this club.
Little Dutch
Enough is enough! There can be no more excuses for Wenger! He is the one responsible for motivating the players! He is the one who has created the squad! He is the one who is responsible for Arsenal not winning a single trophy in 5 years! He has been given 100% licence to do it ‘his way’ by the directors of the club without having to fear for his job. Would he have been sacked by Chelsea, Barca, Madrid or United if he won Fack all in 5 seasons? Of course! He would have been gone 2 seasons ago! WENGER OUT!!!
geoff stern
I've slept on the result from yesterday, but my anger has not subsided. I seen the Wigan equaliser on tv this morning for the first time since being at the DW. The corner that came over is just what you want as a 'keeper, a perfect height and relatively easy gather. Just nice to come and claim the ball, hold it, and run a bit of time down. Not so for Fabianski, who for reasons best known to himself, found the process very difficult. During my drive into work, it got me thinking. I have not missed a home game in the PL this season, and with the exception of Burnley,Hull and Wolves, every visiting side has had a better keeper than us. I don't trust Almunia with his decision making and positioning, I can't bring myself to discuss Fabianski further, except to say that I travelled to Porto in the CL, so you can probably gauge my opinion of him. Mannone won us the points at Fulham but has been nervy and very average since. My whole point is that 1 bad keeper is unfortunate, 2 bad keepers is ridiculous and 3 bad keepers is BAD management. Sorry for the rant.
Cockney Rich
Thanks Val, you have managed to cheer me up, if only slightly ! I live in the North West, so Wigan was about a 12 mile journey for me. I feel sorry for the boys, like LD who got up at an ungodly hour and suffered the misery of the M1 and M6. Unlike LD, I dont mind the players keeping their wages. All I want is for AW to watch that game back, and recognise how or why we capitulated against a very average team. Then I would like him to name and shame the guilty players, and NEVER choose them again.
Cockney Rich
Doesn't feel any better this morning, in fact it feels worse. Can only imagine how Arsene is feeling but he can't wallow too long because he needs to pick the team up. The problem is, when the emotions subside and we get into the summer he'll start believing that this team is improving and doesn't need radical change. They say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. Let's hope that isn't the case with us next season and we see something different.
Gooner_Vin
I think the 'Wenger out' brigade is still delusional and misguided but it is high time AW gave us the truth. I am tired of hearing the same lies year on year. If he says the stadium was costly, we don't have money, we can't buy great players and all we can hope for at best is 3rd or 4th place, then i'd gladly accept and support the team. What grates me is when he says garbage like he can't find better players than what we have already.. thats a load of rubbish. These players may be talented but talent without professionalism or mental strength is nothing. We won't win anything until we resolve the goalkeeping situation. At least Lehman for all his failings kept the defence on its toes because they were scared of him.
Gael-Force
Geoff Stern, you are a Spurs fan. Why would we even discuss your call for AW's head? If you were an Arsenal fan, we would atleast try and debate with you. You have ZERO locus standi with regard to this situation, i.e. its none of your business.
Deltaforce
Gael Force it seems quite clear that our earnings in the last 3 years have been largely used to decrease our stadium debt and highbury square debt from something like 350 million pounds to the current 150 odd million pounds. That is a reduction of 200 million pounds - part of which was from the sales of higbury square apartments and the other part from the footballing side. I guess Amos can clear up the exact numbers for us.

In my view if AW had seen an emergency need to strenghten the squad last year, money was available but he thought that there was no urgent need to do so. Now hopefully he has realised that this squad is capable of finishing 3rd/4th but not as champions. AW needs his expert transfer market skill again this summer. If he dips into the market, we are not far from success.
Deltaforce
While I lay the blame firmly and squarely at the feet of AW, I absolutely do not want him to leave. To suggest him leaving is lunacy. I simply want him to stop persevering with some of the idiots who are CLEARLY not good enough to play for us. Yes, ALL players make mistakes, but AW plays people who continue to make BLUNDERS. I want people at the Club to stand up and be counted for yesterdays debacle. Then, line them up against a wall and shoot them. Harsh I know, but fair and an end to the stupidity and cowardice.
Cockney Rich
Was anyone shocked in the first half when Theo was through and chose to cut back instead of shooting? The cut back was aimed at nobody and we lost the opportunity. Shooting was his best option there. I kept asking asking myself why would he do that. The answer i got to is this squad shuns responsibility. The attitude of this squad is 'i will pass so i won't be blamed if i miss'. I say we need more guts out there.
Gael-Force
He probably passed because Wenger teaches them to pass, pass, pass, pass..........they want to walk the ball in. We've seen it many times before.
Tony Rocky Horror
What do you mean nikolaijns who am i im sumone reading this forum you idiot. Don;t tell me to ***** off you fool
saint_gunnax
Saw the goals again this morning. Have to say having slept on it, I could afford a slight chuckle when I saw Flappyhandski's goalkeeping for the 2nd goal. The guy really is hapless. However in a way I do feel for him. His confidence must be shot to bits now in a similar fashion to Senderos after the Liverpool C/L game in 07/08.
True-Gooner-Blood
The players who I'd definitely get rid of this summer would be Silvestre, Fabianski, and Traore. I'd probably also get rid of Sol as we need someone younger and fitter. Almunia might be worth keeping as a back up as I have more confidence in him than Fabianski. If we sign Chamakh we should probably move Eduardo out as he is too old to be sitting on the bench most of time. Even if Gallas stays we need to sign another CB, DM and a striker at least. We need to be able to rotate our squad and rest players otherwise we will suffer from too many injuries and tiredness again.
bowiecokemirror
I agree with Traore going cause I dont think he will ever displace Clichy and Gibbs has now moved up the pecking order. Wasnt he wanting a move to PSG anyway?
True-Gooner-Blood
Traore is never going to be good enough defensively, both Clichy and Gibbs are much better than him. We'd be better off promoting someone from the youth team if we need a third choice left back.
bowiecokemirror
Almunia & Silvestre to go. Denilson has been less than average for most of the season. I dont know how much of it has been down to injuries but he think he has gone backwards in the last 2 seasons. Jury is out on Diaby, Capable of brilliance but also of pure cr*p. Seems to put all the effort in to win his place in the starting line up, then become complacent & lazy once he has got it. I think we need to buy 1 in each area. Chamakh up front, a tough tackling/big presence midfielder who is happy to just sit to give competition to Song, A keeper(Hart or Loris perhaps), and a CB(2 if Gallas leaves).
paul_ownz
According to Vital Birmingham, we have been strongly linked with signing Joe Hart and the figure quoted is about £8 million which would be a very shrewd signing. I am not getting too excited though because it is probably usual BS from the Sun or Daily Star or one of these other rags...
True-Gooner-Blood
Even if the Joe Hart rumour is true TGB, we will have to deal with Manchester City about his transfer and not Birmingham. He is owned by Citeh.
Deltaforce
It's not up to Birmingham, it's for Man City to decide. I really can't see them willing to part with Joe Hart, even if they only see him as a back-up to Given. The only way the deal has a chance of going through is if Hart wants to come, and has an offer from AW, then he needs to hand in a transfer request.
Cockney Rich
someone mentioned that if a team like barcelona, arguably the best team in the world right now, harry and fight to win the ball back for each and every game, then clearly our team players with their lackadaisical attitude are a delusional lot.. there is something rotten in the state of arsenal... i dont know what it is but something needs to be done about it
arseneknows
Oh yes, I forgot he was out on loan from Citeh. Duh!! Well then as CR said it is probably unlikely to happen although I cant imagine he will be too happy being a 2nd choice keeper at Mercenary City. Lets hope that the chance of being 1st choice for Arsenal is too much to pass up and he does hand in a transfer request.
True-Gooner-Blood
It's gonna be a tricky situation T-G-B. City will have to make certain promises to Hart to keep him. Apart from a Carling Cup appearance and an FA Cup game, if the opposition is deemed easy enough, there is no way he will displace Given. Hanging around waiting for Given to get injured can be a long and fruitless task, just ask Steve Harper !
Cockney Rich
But taking into account Given turning 34 soon, he may be considering retirement, not now but maybe in 1-2 seasons. Another thing which may convince Hart to stay at Citeh if he is willing to bide his time.
True-Gooner-Blood
City and Hart have a mutually agreeable situation. City are happy to park Hart on loan for a couple of seasons until Given is past his best, Hart gets to keep playing and improving. Once he has more experience and Given is on the wane, Hart will probably go back. We'll struggle to do any deal with City there, which culd be a shame because I like the look of him. Whether he's ready to be Arsenal no. 1 is a different matter.
Little Dutch
City are in the strongest possible position re Hart agreed, gutting really as he's the business & there's no way we'll pay over the odds for someone young & English, Wenger's been burnt doing that in the past.
shewore
BBS: "you really are a bad loser," -- and you lot are the MOST graceless winners in England.
jaelle
I was playing FIFA this weekend, and i pulled almunia out as a guy was running at me, he chipped almunia, but from miles away, so alumina goes running back towards goal and instead of catching the ball just bundles it over the line...at first i was furious thinking 'what horrible programming', then i saw fabianski bounce the ball off of a guys head into his own goal and thought...EA are genius..they have every eventuality available in that game...
bootoo
Diaby- He is french boy that doesn't give a damn about arsenal. Silvestre- He is an horror movie on the football pitch Nasri - Was the 2 choice to Ben Arfa on the list but because he left Lyon for Marseille, we were sold a fake product. Eastmond - Is not FUC***G READY. others Vs wigan should know by know not to rely on the above
Arseniger
ok - still reeling from yesterday's debacle. I get frustrated with this constant talk of who to offload, who to bring in, yadayadayada. We all know what we need. For me, it really isn't the primary issue. The PRIMARY issue for me is how these players are being trained and developed. What they're learning and not learning, how their egos are being nurtured or not nurtured, who they're learning alongside, what the manager's approach is to big games (which doesn't necessarily mean big teams - Wigan was a "big" game if we were to pressure Utd and Chelsea for the title), his decisions for substitutions, his policy re resting first choice players to keep them fresh for the end of the season, his use of squad players, his use of mature players like AA in their best position, and MOST OF ALL: DEFENSIVE TRAINING. Those are things that, for me, matter the most. What good does it do to bring in players if none of those issue are addressed?

Like everyone here, I detest Pyles Ego, I hate his anti-AW rants. His insistence that AW does not teach defense has always struck me as silly but frankly I'm starting to take his claim seriously. I am sick to death of watching the once great boring defensive Arsenal concede really REALLY stupid goals. Almost none of the many goals we've conceded this season were brilliant wonderstrikes impossible to defend. Danny Rose's volley was an exception. Nearly all of them were due to pathetically amateurish errors that title winning teams simply do not commit, at least not as frequently as we do. The issue of injuries is irrelevant -- a squad well drilled in disciplined, coordinated defending doesn't need to be world class. Midtable teams defend better than we do. What is striking is the appalling lack of understanding and communication among our players. What is also striking is that we see the same problems every season go unaddressed, regardless of whatever players we have brought in. So yes, condemn the players for yesterday's farce. But AW trained these kids, nurtured their egos, and failed to build their defensive awareness and cohesiveness. This is his team.
jaelle
lol saint_gunnax now here you are doing exactly what you're ranting about others doing doh!, carlsberg don't do irony....but if they did I think they've found their poster boy.
nikolaijns
Club for sale - French Muppets, judas syle traitors, Barca trainees all included but bring your own golaie. All at a very attractive knock down price! I laughed my *****king ass off....thanks Goons for being you! so special!!!!!
michael.thfc
3 more matches to go. We need 5 more pts and where do you think the 5pts will come from? ManCity - That is a Loss with these players Blackburn away -???? but i see a loss or a draw Fulham - I hope these comes a couple of days before their final Europa league match or else its another loss or draw.
Arseniger
AW looked shattered in his post-match interview. He's put his heart and soul into this project and taken so much criticism. I really do feel for him, I so want him to succeed. But I really do think he's set up these kids for failure. He's brought them along with no veterans alongside them to guide them. Then he tells them the only 2 competitions that matter are the PL and CL. They never focus on the FA cup or CC. Yet a young, developing squad should first start with smaller competitions. Mourinho when he first came to England started out by winning the CC and used that trophy to build momentum. During Ferguson's 3-yr rebuilding phase, he won the CC in 2006 and used that to build momentum. Yet our young squad has never been told to focus on smaller cups that might be within their reach as part of their development. Ignore all the trolling, what AW has tried is courageous, risky, even noble. But I think his own flaws in training, targets, use of squad players, coddling young egos, has hurt project a great deal.
jaelle
Oh - and as I said last week, I won't watch the City game. It's going to be too painful. Two ridiculous defeats (one to Spurs) in a row is enuf.
jaelle
Hardley the same is it nikolaijns i am not writing long detailed paragraphs like only a sad person would do
saint_gunnax
Mancity 62pts + 10pts = 72 (Win @Arsenal, Draw to Villa, Win Vs Spurs, Win @Westham) Spurs 64pts + 6pts = 70 (Loss @ManUtd, Win Vs Bolton, Loss@Mancity, Win Vs Burley) We need to get behind Utd when spurs visit them and hope City beat Spurs, Fulham qualifies for Europa Final and our CL chances will be guaranteed
Arseniger
Jaelle, you have the gall to call me a bad loser !!!! er in case you did not notice, its your team that are on a losing streak, and as you have pointed out on here, I wont watch the city game, its gonna be to painful ?? typical plastic supporter aintcha ! only sing when your winning, tut tut tut.
Born&BredSpur
Jaelle - totally agree with you, those are in fact the key points, not about players coming in or out. Arsene is of course probably the best at spotting talent early but you have to say to pick out the likes of Diaby, Denilson, Walcott and others when they're that young, and expect them all to become world-class is a risky way to build a side. You have to mix it with some proper know-how, particularly around the spine of the side - and particularly around goalkeeper and centre-back. Seeing Sol Campbell back at Arsenal really brings home what we've been missing. Can you imagine how Cesc feels? He actually played in the side that had Bergkamp, Henry and Pires there. Scholes scores the winner for United on Saturday. We strip Gilberto of the captaincy, give it to Gallas and then let Gilberto go.
Gooner_Vin
"you only sing when your winning?" That is the sole reason you are on here BBS. If Spurs were on a losing run you would be firmly wedged under that rock you've had a 50 year lease on.
iceman10
that performance was a joke, losing to spuds hurt, losing to wigan was actually laughable, i actually laughted out loud when the third goal went in.
GunnerGal92
michael.thfc you sure must be adept at laughing at your own club looking at its premier league history. Comedy fans for a comedy club. The league table does not lie.
Deltaforce
These Spuds have such short memories. Let's just wait and see what happens at the end of the season and who gets 4th.
Gooner_Vin
It's exactly the same saint_gunnax. So you're OK to do it because your abuse is kept to one sentence and as dull as the proverbial dishwater is that it?? I would suspect your phobia of long paragraphs isn't confined to that of banter. If you need more pictures just ask the admin.
nikolaijns
BBS, LOL, you're hilarious! I said your lot are graceless WINNERS!
jaelle
BBS, you just proved the stereotype of the stupid, illiterate spuddie. You can't even read a post that calls your team WINNERS! Graceless, tho, very graceless.
jaelle
We haven't got the squad depth to compete in all 4 competitions like Chelsea or Man U so I don't blame AW for prioritising the CL and PL. Qualifying for the CL and progressing as far as possible in it brings in a lot of revenue and we can't afford to miss out on it when we are trying to reduce our debt. However he has made it clear that he has some money to spend now and he has to bring in experienced quality players, particularly a CB, GK and DM.
bowiecokemirror
I just don't agree with that bowie, our squad size is not much smaller than either of the teams above us, you can argue over the quality of the squad we have - specifically the b team that is getting way too much pitch time out of injury neccessity instead of merit, but not the size of the squad. I do blame Wenger in prioritizing the two most difficult prizes, it's a terrible idea and one that's unlikely to ever pay off without winning one of the 'lesser' cups. I think it's got to the stage now where we just can't be that choosy, these players have to win a trophy and the CC/FA are great starting points to build confidence and a winning mentality.
nikolaijns
I am talking about the quality not quantity of players here, AW knows the back up players are not good enough for the PL and CL which is why he overuses our first choice players resulting in tiredness and injuries. It seems our main priority is to qualify and do well in the CL for financial reasons. If we failed to qualify for the CL (and we struggled last year) and won the CC or FA cup for example, we'd have silverware but we'd be much weaker financially (even tho I understand the need to build confidence and winning mentality). It is important that the club stays financially healthy as we reduce our stadium debt and AW has done an excellent job to ensure that. We've seen what happens when clubs spend too much and fail to qualify for the CL in Leeds. We do seem to be in a much better position to spend now thanks to AW and hoping to see some top quality acquisitions this summer.
bowiecokemirror
The issue of why the trophies have dried up for the gooners is a very complex one: it's the subject of a thesis no less. I suspect if one were to really look at the data, you'd find a multiplicity of varying factors. To say, "it's Wenger, or it's the players, or it's the coaching, or the stadium overheads" is probably simplistic. What's really going on? Fact is noone really knows, although every single pundit has their own pet theory. For our part, our failure to compete at the highest level is pretty easliy explained by the fact that we sack our managers far, far, too quickly, and are always starting from scratch. The way forward is for a football academic at Liverpool University to get hold of the data and conduct a root and branch review of the club. Then you can plot your next move.
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