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Bellend of the Season

Football is such a widely discussed and dissected game because it provides such a fascinating microcosm of life. Depending on your viewpoint, one man`s hero is another man`s villain (as Arsenal fans for instance, we loved Jens Lehmann as a character. Had he played for any other Premiership team we all know full well that we would have willfully despised him). Football is a fascinating cavalcade of characters that paint their personalities across the canvas of a never ending soap opera. To paraphrase Peter de Vries, it`s a zoo in a jungle. Which brings me onto my favourite retrospective article of any summer. Bellend of the season.
Last summer, the bar for bellendery was set stupendously high with the installation of Phil Brown as head wazzock. And he wasn`t willing to surrender his tenure without a fight. Not satisfied with appointing Nick Barmby as his captain in October, despite having seen fit to only start him for a solitary league game in the two months previous, Brown went from Alistair Campbell levels of unpleasantness to the Tracy Emin plateau of bat shit crazy in October when he claimed he rescued a woman from leaping off of the Humber Bridge to her death. (The woman has never been tracked down and there were no eye witnesses). Though in fairness, if I saw Phil Brown walking towards me whilst strolling on an elevated platform such as a bridge, I think my first inclination would be to try and jump off. Right after I`d set my own knackers on fire. Phil Brown had also spent the summer putting a positive spin on being given the hands off by Michael Owen, declaring, "To be in a two-horse race with Manchester United for an England international gives me great pride.
'He was ready to consider coming to Hull City but he has joined the champions of England. You can't argue with that but for me it was positive to see us in the running."
Further to that I would like to add that it was an unbridled pleasure to be involved in a two horse race for Angelina Jolie with Brad Pitt. Obviously, in the end she plumped for the good looking multi million dollar toting star of the screen, but it represents great progress for me that I got a semi on looking at one of her pictures. The price Brown paid for his idiocy was with his job. As well as being a headpiece wearing, third person referring, tango faced cuntbiscuit from below stairs, he also became a spectacularly shit football manager with Hull mustering 7 wins in 60 odd games. How bloody, pant wettingly beautiful that his last act as Hull manager was to look on aghast as Nicklas Bendtner buried a 93rd minute winner before having to watch the young Dane celebrate by pulling down his shorts, bending over and farting a word perfect rendition of "You`re getting sacked in the morning" right in his stupid orange face. (O.K. I didn`t actually see Bendtner`s celebration because I was too busy leaping up and down with joy like Tiger Woods in a brothel, but I`m reliably informed by impartial friends that that celebration did happen).

However, Brown`s crown has slipped for 2009-10 despite his best efforts. He has been outstripped by a number of candidates. He has literally been outstripped by a good portion of the Chelsea squad, but whilst Cashley and JT`s extra marital misdemeanors are revealing of a couple of rather unsavoury characters, their off field shenanigans are not nearly enough to earn them this prize. Really, it`s sub day time TV, housewife, heat magazine tabloid fodder. In the age of instant internet porn, is anyone genuinely titillated by this sort of headline burgling shit anymore? (Didn`t stop me vocally taking the piss out of Terry at Stamford Bridge mind). With Newcastle relegated, the Premiership has been short of a few candidates this season (last season they provided Joey Barton, Mike Ashley, Kevin Keegan and Alan Shearer to the Premiership`s buffet of bellendery- mighty hard acts to follow), but the always entertaining Gary Cook has stepped into the chasm left by Peter Kenyon as one of football`s most dependable berks. Firstly, at a pre season dinner with City supporters last August, he introduced, "Manchester United legend Uwe Rosler" to an unsuspecting audience. He then hilariously told a crowd of gathered Yanks about City`s impending world domination in hushed tones and then with a straight face, triumphantly declared, "When City beat United this Wednesday, not if." Hmmm, how did that one go dickhead?

But this year`s Bellend of the Season is a clear and unopposed winner. (Though the thought of him forming some kind of bellend coalition with Phil Brown makes me break out in hives). In fact, Bellend of the Season is probably too jolly and genteel an anointment for this particular fuckwit. Maybe "Baseball Cap Wearing, Shit Stirring, Self Pitying Neanderthal Thug Apologist of the Year" would be a more appropriate title. You guessed, everyone`s favourite soothsayer of footballing progress and invention, Tony Pulis. At this point I want to bullwhip my own retinas for mentioning him in glowing terms in my Manager of the Season article last year. (Fortunately, last year I gave it to the altogether more pleasant and affable Roy Hogdson). Yes, if you like your unrestrained thuggery served up with a steaming side order of self pitying, small man syndrome bollocks, the Stoke manager is the go to man. The Mecca of mendacity. The sultan of shit. The undisputed bellend of the ball. Before any opposing supporters start taking predictable, tabloid fed pot shots, hear this. I don`t have any problems with Stoke playing long ball tactics, the fact that they pack their side with atomic mutant supermen or Rory Delap`s long throws. (Though I do take umbrage with referees the nation over allowing him 25 minutes to fuck about with his hair and make up before taking every throw in. JUST THROW THE BALL YOU JUG EARED TWAT! So I can quickly acquaint myself with another Arsenal keeper making a proper dog`s dinner of it and we can get on with trying to equalize). That is utterly their prerogative and anything that is within the rules of association football is utterly fine and dandy.

Where I do take umbrage is with having watched four separate Arsenal players leave the Britannia Stadium pitch on stretchers in the space of fourteen months. I know we Arsenal fans have a reputation for being a bit precious (not entirely unjustified), but do excuse us if we get a bit sensitive about seeing young men`s legs contort into sickening shapes only to hear how the perpetrator is really nice to his mum and that our manager should be chided for using that horrendously strong adjective "unacceptable" in describing the tackle that caused it. Of course Pulis` bellendery began well before Shawcross` thousand mile an hour launch on Ramsey`s leg. So endemic is the culture of pre historic knuckle dragging at his club, that Ricardo Fuller and Andy Griffin came to blows on the pitch at Upton Park, Abdoulaye Faye and Glenn Whelan had a dressing room bout of fisticuffs over flip flops, whilst in one of the more priapic expressions of male aggression, Tony Pulis himself head butted striker James Beattie in the nuddy. (I bet he was still wearing that stupid fucking baseball cap though). Of course Pulis sagely told gathered reporters back in December that Wenger had been "moaning like a drain" with regards to Wolves having their bellies tickled at Old Trafford. The comments that extracted such irritation? When asked his feelings on the matter by a reporter on the spot, Arsene responded with a wry smile, "That`s o.k.; we`ll compete with United over 37 games instead." Hardly lengthy enough a throwaway comment to constitute, "moaning like a drain." In fact, what it is up with that epithet? Do drains moan?

But of course Pulis` true colours really came grunting to the fore in the wake of the Ryan Shawcross challenge that left Aaron Ramsey`s leg in pieces. As is English football`s wont, instead of acknowledging that, while Shawcross clearly didn`t mean to hurt Ramsey as badly as he did and that there was no need to go crashing into a challenge in an innocuous area of the pitch at that velocity, we got embroiled in this bizarre and very British rush to protect Shawcross` character. The "isn`t he a lovely lad" stories were typically being frantically trotted out before the surgeon had the chance to wield the knife. Football believes it operates in this little bubble whereby "Ryan came off the pitch broken hearted, he has met his mum and gone home" cuts it as an explanation for a piece of recklessness that leaves a young man`s career in the balance. Next time you`re driving at 100mph and you knock a pedestrian down let`s see how far you get with a judge with that one Mr. Pulis. I think I speak for most Arsenal fans when I say I don`t really give a monkey`s ballbag, nor does it matter, how lovely a boy Shawcross is or how good his intentions were. Pulis and the dishonourable rabble known as journalists mouthed mealy mouthed, one line platitudes of condolence to Aaron Ramsey through gritted teeth before then going on to extricate lengthy bile at Arsene Wenger and Arsenal for daring to let one of their most prodigal sons let his mangled limbs get in the way of "the British way."

Pulis did much the same, a swift "never mind, get better soon eh, Aaron" was followed by a tirade at Arsene Wenger, "He cannot comment on my players, he doesn`t know what my players are about or made of. So his opinions on my players aren`t worth tuppence to me. Ryan comes from a lovely family and he`s a smashing, smashing kid." The comment that drew Pulis to this bile laced rant? When Wenger was asked what he thought of the tackle he replied, "It was unacceptable." Comments made about Shawcross` character? None. Comments made about his family? Zilcho. But of course that didn`t stop the British media following Pulis` lead in going loco at Arsene and Arsenal for daring to call a tackle that snapped a leg in half as "unacceptable." Arsene largely let the incident die a death, barely being drawn to speak on it again other than to ask the media accusingly why it was he who was taking the stand and being questioned.

Pulis however, did not let the incident die. Painting Shawcross as the timid victim, there were a torrent of stories about how Ryan would be o.k.; how supportive everyone had been, how many e mails and text messages and facebook wall posts he`d had in this trying time. "He`s had at least 300 e mails from Arsenal fans everyone has rallied around him and I know Sir Alex Ferguson`s call was helpful. He`s got an old head on young shoulders and has dealt with it pretty well." Well blessed be, thank Christ for that. We were all scared he`d never come back the same. Typically, by not being made to face up to his responsibility (and nobody`s asking for the lad to be dragged across the coals here, just a realization that that type of tackle was unnecessary in that context), Shawcross has been bullish, "I will be the same as ever when I next play. The fans and a lot of people around me have been fantastic in their support. It (the tackle) was an accident." Of course, a decent man and a good manager would coach Shawcross that, errrm, the point of accidents is that you learn something from them and adapt your behaviour accordingly. To rehash the analogy, if you drive at 100mph and knock someone over, the next time you get back behind the wheel, you think twice before you reach so liberally for the accelerator do you not? To prove my point, Pulis trotted out the same old tired sentiments after a league game at the Britannia in November 2008 when Walcott, Sagna and Adebayor were all stretchered off as a result of "industrial challenges." Speaking of a Rory Delap tackle that ended up dislocating Walcott`s shoulder (the ball was on the floor at the time and Walcott dislocated his shoulder, without digging the footage out, you can probably deduce that that`s a bad tackle) and another that gave Sagna an unsightly six inch gash on Sagna`s ankle, Pulis was forthright, "As for Rory Delap`s tackles on Sagna and Walcott, Rory is as honest and committed as they come. They were free kicks, but Rory would never go out to injure a professional player, it`s just not in Rory`s nature." It never fucking is, is it?

All the time Pulis led this bizarre media circus, Wenger kept a dignified silence (though the press have tried to manipulate an alternative impression). However, even when the fall out from that incident began to ember and die away as winter gave way to spring, Pulis was still lining up his pot shots. In March, despite Wenger not saying a word to or about Stoke since describing a certain challenge as "unacceptable", Pulis and his gargantuan persecution complex were blathering on yet again, "It wasn`t in the script for us to be competitive, that`s why you get people like Arsene Wenger moaning on at you- because we have made it difficult for them and we`re not supposed to do that." Well, I guess by putting four of our players on stretchers, you did make things a bit difficult for us. Would I be speaking out of line if I were to confirm that, NO, YOU`RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT YOU IMEBCILE! Pulis reminds me of one of those zealots that lock arms across abortion clinics or that block stem cell research. He wants the trappings of the Premiership and all the money brought to it by progressive minds like Wenger, yet he wants to chide that progress as sinful and hark back into his cave, knuckles dragging across the floor to feast on the corpse of an antelope. If Wenger`s convictions are hills that he looks from, Pulis` are caves that he hides in. So congratulations Mr. Pulis on winning bellend of the season. I think I speak for most of the Arsenal fraternity when I say, stick it up your arse with your baseball cap you cretinous, unctuous, self pitying idiot.LD.




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The Journalist

Writer: Tim Stillman Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Friday May 21 2010

Time: 10:32AM

Your Comments

My admiration for Bendtner has grown considerably after reading this article.
hughied
The absence of any mention of Adebyewhore is testament to the sterling tireless work ethic shown by Pulis in reaching the very pinnacle of bellendery. He would keep that ****ing cap on with his cheap hired tux when picking up this award.
nikolaijns
Ha, ha, ha, ha! Front-page article of the season! Brilliant, LD and I agree with every word of it. I absolutely loathe Tony Puke-face and his utterly fake, half-hearted sympathy for young Aaron. Probably laughed his head off in the dressing room afterwards too. What a pig-ignorant piece of c-r-a-p he really is. Bellend of the season is spot-on and he is definitely my top candidate for "Hope-he-gets-the-boot" in 2010/11.
julieloveshenry4ever
Even though I thought Adebayor would scoop the award, its well deserved. After the Ramsey incident, Pulis looked like an extremely guilty man. He knows how dangerous it is to give those kind of instructions to a young player like Shawcross, not that Shawcross should take resposibility, he should but Pulis knows he is partly to responsible for almost destroying the career of an extremely hard-working young boy.
gronedrone
I wonder which lowly manager from a ***** team will win it next year? Big Sam? You are a funny bunch on here, so united in your hate campaigns. Besides surely bellend of the season/generation is John Terry.
HuddersfieldYiddo
If that's the criteria then maybe the mantle will pass to Wii man HY? ;)
nikolaijns
Absolutely hilarious article from start to finish! HY, JT was a close second. Why dont you write an article on him on VS if he gets you so riled up? Dont tell LD who he should pick.
Deltaforce
Im not sure i understand this article, do you not like Pulis or something?
paul_ownz
One wonders how Wenger would have reacted if the extremely dangerous tackle that William Gallas made on Mark Davies had resulted in an injury of similar severity to that of Ramsey's. Undoubtedly he'd have claimed he didn't see it. Pot + Kettle = Black
kernowboy71
Anybody you don't hate? I'm starting to wonder...
Tony Rocky Horror
I'd have to agree that JT should have won Bellend of the season. He's a joke of a person and the tag "bellend" is perfect for him. Pulis is vermin, he needs to win the title of "despicible c*** of the year". He is a grotesque human being, makes me feel sick.
Rocky7
kernowboy71 - firstly, everyone had a go at Gallas, not least LD himself. Secondly, Davies was just as likely to hurt Gallas in the challenge. Lastly... ***** off.
Tom14
T-R-H you should have won this competition by a mile. FOYS.
Cockney Rich
I was inclined to say JT should have won bellend of the season for his antics and also for being so morally bankrupt but you make a good case for that prestigious honour to go to Mr Pulis although he should be afforded a more venomous title. Bellend just doesnt seem enough to describe his disgusting character.
True-Gooner-Blood
KB, Wenger said at the the time that Gallas's tackle was a bad one. But you don't have to be an Arsenal fan to asert that IF that tackle had led to a break, Arsene Wenger would have been genuinely upset about it. And if YOU are trying to suggest that Wenger sends players out to cause damage to others, you need to get your head examined. Check out the Fair Play Table for the just season just ended.
julieloveshenry4ever
KB, Wenger said at the the time that Gallas's tackle was a bad one. But you don't have to be an Arsenal fan to assert that IF that tackle had led to a break, Arsene Wenger would have been genuinely upset about it. Don't even try to compare the two situations. One player is out for a year and the other was back playing the following week. And if YOU are trying to suggest that Wenger sends players out to cause damage to others, you need to get your head examined. Check out the Fair Play Table for the season just ended.
julieloveshenry4ever
Wow. Just fkg wow, LD! Thank you very much for choosing this moaning little hypocrite. For someone who regularly trashes AW for moaning, he does an awful lot of it himself. What's striking is how much he talks about AW, he loves to take any opportunity to take a potshot at AW, even when the matter at hand has absolutely nothing to do with Arsenal. He's obviously got some kind of inferiority complex, some petty hate obsession with Arsene. Yet when have you ever heard Arsene personally insult Pulis or any other manager? I am quite sure that he and his nice boys got a good laugh out of injuring our players. That's clearly the sort of person he is. The biggest reason that Stoke are a farce, to me, is that damned towel thing. Makes them look like clowns and amateurs. Whenever someone says to me that the PL is superior to Spain or Italy, I tell them no league that has Stoke finishing 11th or 12th has anything to be proud of.
jaelle
Oh, and that photo accompanying the article is HILARIOUS!
jaelle
KB, when an Arsenal player commits a bad tackle, NO ONE in the English media defends his character, says he's "not that sort of player" yadayadayada. That's the difference. In fact, quite the opposite -- Gallas was universally condemned in the media and by football supporters of other clubs (those same supporters who defended Shawcross as being such a nice boy). But then of course Gallas is French. Yet it is MORE accurate to say that Gallas "is not that kind of player" than it is about Shawcross. Gallas has little history of malicious conduct on the pitch. He's occasonally taken a swipe at an opponent, or kicked one, he's never seriously injured anyone. Shawcross is the one whose history does indeed show he IS that kind of player: he's already broken another player's leg, badly injured Ade so that he was out for 3 months (there's also youtube footage of him causing severe injury to an opponent in a youth game). He has a record.
jaelle
loved every sentence that had '********' in it. lol. Howard Stern and Eminem would be mightily proud of you, Tim!
shady gunna
And why am i censored when Tim's not, yet we spell the same word??
shady gunna
jaelle - fantastic point about Pulis always banging on about AW. A league that has Stoke finishing mid-table doesn't really concern me. What HORRIFIES me is a league that has Spuds finishing 4th ! That is the frightening thing my friend.
Cockney Rich
LOL, CR, you have a point! Scary indeed.
jaelle
LD what a gr8 read ! loved it !
geekygooner
I suppose it's only right and fitting that Pulis won. A late runner for the prize though must have been Txiki Begiristian. That bloke needs to keep his mouth CLOSED.
Cockney Rich
I absolutely hate that ******** ********
Sajit
You may criticise Pulis and some of it is deserved, but when you consider the limited resources they have, he's as deserving of Manager of the Season as some managers who can buy one player with the amount it cost to assemble their entire squad. And because of this strength in getting limited players to rise so much higher above their ability levels, it is human nature that he will immediately stand up publicly for any of his players, making comments which probably aren't worthy of any merit. The irony is if the manager of the team that any of us support did this, we'd probably applaud him for it.
kernowboy71
Maybe but he is still a tw** and i am not sure he deserves that much praise for getting limited players to rise higher when all he does is turn them in to thugs. Does it take that much nouse to have 9 bulky players all over 6ft and pump in throw after throw, punt after punt and mow opposition players down with tactical thuggery. I would sooner give praise to Hodgson, Oneil and moyes who get the best out of their players with limited sources while trying to play football
paul_ownz
Manager of the season? You have some pretty good crack on the go there KB. Have you ever watched a Stoke match? Earlier in the year there was a match in which Rory Delap attempted something like 15 passes yet made 28 throw-ins. Manager of the season requires the gaffer in question actually do something of merit. Finishing mid-table by clogging your way to a few victories is nothing to brag about. We should be woried that a lot of teams seem to be having problems negotiating his s***-house tactics, than we are about awarding this little turd. Football should be about the game itself rather than prospering from the destruction of the thing we all became fans of in the first place.
Rocky7
Chamakh confirmed on arsenal.com not that its much of a suprise. Number 29 Jersey
paul_ownz
Chamakh deal announced http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/marouane-chamakh-completes-move-to-arsenal
sunaadh
Not this season, as I think its Hodgson, but all managers like Pulis do is maximise what they can achieve under the rules. And a great defensive display can be as equally deserving as a top offensive team. What happens Rocky is that you get teams like WBA under Mowbray promoted, try to play football, get stuffed weekend in and out, and relegated. Considering the millions involved its hardly surprising lesser teams try to find the lowest common denominator to stay in the Premiership.
kernowboy71
It's ot suprising KB, but it's also not football. And as long as people keeping praising him for his brand of football the longer he'll keep doing it. We should be encouraging technical football in this country. I'll admit that Arsenal weren't the first team in England to adopt the more asthetic style of play, but once we did we caught up and surpassed. If the old Arsenal can change their ways then anyone can. Also, as Chelsea prove, it's possible to play a powerful, physical brand of football without being a bunch of dirty buggers.
Rocky7
Hilarious article, and Pulis does make a good case for his nomination as the winner. I loathe him, especially as he seems to revel in the spotlight it brings when he takes a swipe at Wenger, even when uncalled for. Can't see how Stoke will remain in the premiership by 2011/2012 season, with Pulis coaching this lot.

PS: Jaelle, didn't quite notice the photo accompanying the article till you mentioned it. Very apt, wouldn't you say.
Naijagunner
You lot have some strange ways about yer.
Tony Rocky Horror
TRH, so do ye, pal. So do ye. Psst. CR agrees with you that you should have won it...and by a good mile. What do you think?
Naijagunner
I think you live your life in a state of perpetual delusion.
Tony Rocky Horror
Now say it again with a straight face tony, sweet baby jesus the nerve of it.
nikolaijns
Heres a sample of a 2009 survey based on 10,000 people on the subject of word association, here are the 5 most popular answers Q. Cat...A. Dog.........Q. food...A. Drink.......Q.Tea...A.coffee.....Q.man....A.woman.......Q.Delusion....A.Sp*rs
nikolaijns
Hmm that turned out weird lol, needless to say the final example was Q.Delusion....A.Sp*rs
nikolaijns
Ha! ha!!ha!!! The respondents got that one right.
Naijagunner
What, you don't think it's a bit odd that when an information bulletin comes down the pipes from comrade Stillman you all sit round and have a jerk circle over who you 'hate'? God forbid that you ever meet Tony Pulis and find out that he's a nice guy.
Tony Rocky Horror
At the end of the day, you're just wheeling Pulis out as a scapegoat to comfort yourselves after yet another awful season. He's just another witch for you to ceremoniously burn. As far as i can tell, your hatred of Pulis is based on what he said after the event, which you quote: what he said in a moment of high emotion. He expressed sympathy for Ramsey and to everyone associated with Arsenal. If he overreacted, then he did so out of good intentions because he felt a fatherly instinct to protect Shawcross. He didn't want to see his boy caned by a powerful figure like Wenger. If the shoe were on the other foot you'd expect Wenger would do the same. I would have thought that you of all people would understand that. What was he supposed to do? sack Shawcross on the spot and condemn him as a footballing heretic? You also attack the media as biased againt Arsenal and yet every single supporter i know thinks the media hate their team. If the media hated your team so much, why is that when i turn on the radio or the news someone is ALWAYS praising Wenger in some capacity, sometimes even sticking up for him when YOUR OWN SUPPORTERS CALL PHONE- INS TO DEMAND HE BE SACKED!!!! Jesus, the media love the 'top four', can't fecking get enough of em (abhorent phrase 'the top four') Your caricature of Pulis as some northern, unsophisticated chav is heaving with London- centric prejudice . It also has no basis in real experience because you've never met the guy and you never will. In essence, this article is the mirror image of the penny- a- line, vulgar, reactionary red top trash that you espouse to despise. If you have the ability to write, why turn your hand to it in this way?
Tony Rocky Horror
Yes, Niko we were deluded to think we would have Champions League football ... err, oops.
kernowboy71
I'm sorry to admit, but Tony that is a superbly elegant retort and brilliant summary. I may even need to cut and paste it, to save for future admiration.
kernowboy71
TRH, first you accuse of delusion, then you accuse us of strange behaviour. So what kind of behaviour is hanging around an Arsenal forumn desperately trying to get some acceptance as some kind of arch intellectual. Firstly, you've taken the article a wee bit too seriously- which is no surprise since you- like kernowboy and his other creations- have no sense of humour to speak of. Pulis is Welsh, so get your facts straight there, I didn;t paint him as anything to do with the North of England, that was your little deduction not mine. Read the article carefully again,where's the London centric bias? Where did I say the media hated Arsenal? The media hates everyone because they are a hateful institution, there's no prejudice against Arsenal, just anything pro British that gets a story will do it for them. Why do so many idiots fail to comprehend a simple argument and instead take this issue to extremes? Did I say Shawcross should have been sacked? No, I didn't. If you care to look at this bracketed comment "and nobody`s asking for the lad to be dragged across the coals here, just a realization that that type of tackle was unnecessary in that context", you'll see that there's an ever sosliught grey area. Nobody's asking Pulis to sack Shawcross, just an acknowledgment of the poor coaching which leads him to make such poor tackles and an admission of responsibility. That's quite a big gap there, unfortunately TRH, you don't have the intelligence to appreciate it, so you and your dozens of other incarnations constantly make these childish arguments by taking everything to extremes. Your current guise shares a key characteristic with all of your other pseudonyms, you make up stuff in the article that isn;t there then chide the writer based on some amateur cod psychology of a point that was never being made. In short, you're the answer to the question nobody asked.
Little Dutch
And I'll also say to you the same as I say to a lot of people, if you don;t like what I do with my writing, don't read it. I'm not making you click the link and your opinion of what Ido with my writing is as about as significant to me as the contents of the last kleenex tissue I used.
Little Dutch
A very fine parody kerno, very fine indeed.
Tony Rocky Horror
Oh and i fecking love the Orwellian double-speak in your use of the phrase 'arrogant yet weak mind'. Bit special that, right on the kisser.
Tony Rocky Horror
I dislike this article it is full of bile and not very well thought out, Pulis does very well with his limited resourses, and like any good manager he defends his team, not any different than the "I did not see it" that comes from Wenger"
keefdayid
The contributions of TRH & Kernowboy here brings to mind another similar pairing a humourless version of those muppet characters Statler & Waldorf who just heckle because that’s what they do. Whatever merit Pulis has earned for whatever achievements he has made the fact that this season he has fallen into the trap of trying to make himself the victim of acts of his own aggression makes him a suitable enough choice for a Bellend award. Part of his problem is that he takes himself and his own opinion of the observations of others too seriously – much like Statler and Waldorf without the sense of humour.
Amos.
No Kernowboy the product of a weak and scarily deranged mind is someone who simply cannot stand by the outlandish laughable statements and (always always come the end game with you) psychotic aggression that you simply cannot stand by and have to run away from in denial that you are capable of such hate and bile, you scare yourself apparantly. A new pseudonym was required everytime you went beyond what is acceptable, you simply just can't live with yourself and your feelings can you? Utter basket case.
nikolaijns
It is very sweet and touching though that here is a unison between the old and new guard, the bellend of spuds past in kernow/sirharry/gromit/whatever holding hands with the bellend of spuds present in tonyspursstadiumplansrejectedagainhorror, drawn through a unified disappointment to the bellend of the season thread where as ever they're just not important enough to merit even a booby prize. Next season eh chaps? must work harder.
nikolaijns
I'll have to remember those words the next time you criticise anyone ever kernowboy. Next time you criticise Arsene Wenger I'll be sure to recall how you think criticism is not possible because Wenger has coaching badges. And don't dream of criticising David Cameron or any other politician for that matter because they are simply more qualified than you and are therefore in a permanent state of insulation from any criticism. It's amusing you try to use the defence that Pulis was speaking in the heat of the moment when I have used quotes in this article from November 2008, December 2009 and March 2010 as well as the fallout from the Ramsey incident. When Wenger angrily suggested that Martin Taylor "should never play again" in the ehat of the moment, he had the good sense and manners to retract his statement. I bet you were one of the froth mouthed rabblethat found that assertion more newsworthy than the actual tackle itself. TRH, Sophocles once said the wise man speaks when he as something to say, the fool speaks when he has to say something. Guess which one you come across as?
Little Dutch
In fact, earlier in the thread kernowboy, you accuse Wenger of double standards with regards his reaction to Gallas' tackle on Davies (it was actually Davies' tackle on Gallas,had he not leapt in so hard he might not have got hurt by Gallas simply standing his ground). May I remind you that Arsene Wenger has been a coach since the age of 32, has managed in three difeerent countries and......I was going to wheel off his achievements but that'd take too long. So in keeping with your principles alluded to earlier, you would be willing to take back your criticism of Wenger? Thought not. How ironic that an article about a bellend has been so humourlessly invaded by Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. It;s sad kernowboy that you genunely appear to have nothing at all better to do with your life than create several different accounts with the sole intention of sabotaging an Arsenal fans forum every couple of weeks with your dull, humourless heckling.
Little Dutch
Pulis has the respect and admiration of everyone in football. There's a reason why that's the case: he has revived an ailing club, providing them with premiership football for several years on the spin and he's as honest as the day is long. So i repeat: Pulis's actions and comments were made in the heat of the moment as he felt an irresistable pull to protect his charge. Your cynical, vitriolic article is a vile, personal attack on a man who conducts himself with a sense of integrity at all times. I should also mention that he has spent a lifetime cultivating his gifts and talents and( suprise suprise) he finds himself at the very peak of his profession. His reputation remains sturdy and water-tight despite this tidle wave of ignorant, debasing, bullying, reactionary abuse you decided to write against your better judgement, which should have told you what a stupid thing it was to do. Like Antigone, i'm prepared to stand up for my existential right to speak my mind. Incidentally, whilst we're on performance history you'll no doubt be aware that in the great plays of antiquity it's always the fool- who stands apart from the madness and comments on the action with a detached sense of irony- who always ends up providing the most sage commentary of all.
Tony Rocky Horror
Little Dutch, what you will observe is that I made no criticism whatsoever of Wenger, his ability as a coach, or the coaching standards he employs. As Wenger is infamous for not seeing 'incidents' which involve his players, to the point where one wonders if he sits with his back to the pitch, the parallel was being drawn with Pulis where he was criticised for defending his players. All managers should defend their players, so why is Wenger allowed to but Pulis not? .... and what is farcical in your comment, is that you asked if I'd withdraw statements I didn't make before inferring I wouldn't when not even given the chance to respond. I offered no criticism of Wenger at all. What I did was merely observe that Pulis behaved in a similar manner to how Wenger behaves = defending the players in your charge, to either exonerate them, or simply deny seeing the incident. And you accuse me of scraping the bottle of the barrel? Furthermore you pathetic and feel suggestion that I apparently have several accounts merely shows how deluded you are concerning the high opinion you have of yourself. I've yet to see any evidence in this false accusation, and I have been in contact with Jonathan at VitalFootball, about this continually pathetic remark by a small group of intellectually challenged Arsenal fans.
kernowboy71
A little tip Little Dutch. No matter how many times you tell a lie, it still remains a lie.
kernowboy71
Indeed, Pulis is even more the man for his entirely human response under the circumstances.
Tony Rocky Horror
FFS, can't you two get together and practice Euthanasia ? For the love of God, just crawl back to VS and bloody stay there. Pleeeeeeeeeeease.
Cockney Rich
Pulis? Integrity? Heh, I liked that one TRH. In both of your poor attempts toi shout ya boo at everything I write, you'll notice I haven't said that I believe Pulis to be a bad manager, so your attempts to whitter on about his achievements are futile and desperate. Mourinho is a very successful, very good manager, doesn't mean I have to like him. I too TRH reserve the right to speak my own mind and based on the comments Pulis has wilfully put into the public domain, I don't like him. I take it the fact that Sol Campbell is a successful and respected footballer means you both like him? No double standards now, that's ostensibly what both of you very tired sides to a very tired coin are trying to make. If you TRH can honestly tell me that you have never taken exception to a public figure you've never met based on their public pronouncements I'll sit here and call you a liar. If I'd written an atricle criticising Hitler I've no doubt you'd both steam in with the same ilk of comments. I;m not nearly deluded enough to try and pretend my article will have any bearing on Pulis' standing in the game, nor did I ever say that. Again. you're inventing points that don't exist to try and mask your wafer thin non argument. I'm just professing the fact that I don;t like him,what other people think of that is not of great interest to me though I'm willing to argue my point sensibly with anyone who can actually read the article properly and pick out the points I have actually made. It's quite ironic that both of you have resorted to the same argument mentioned in the article, "Oh, it's not Pulis' fault, it was heat of the moment and he's such a nice lad who's good to his mum." What about Pulis' continued vile, vitriolic attacks on Wenger? Not worth your scrutiny either? TRH and kernowboy, you both really not to stop taking yourselves so seriously and try getting a sense of humour/ life. If you think my article was "a stupid thing to do" then there's a choice you can take, don't read my articles. Your "contributions" certainly wouldn't be missed.
Little Dutch
Football is such a widely discussed and dissected game because it provides such a fascinating microcosm of life. Depending on your viewpoint, one man`s hero is another man`s villain.......The first sentence of this article negates all the petty bickering and pointless wah wahing from the cornish pasty and the tedious tranny. What a couple of tedious little tits you really are. Wah wah I'm telling Johnathon waaaaah - that's right I always remember you being a snitching little tell tale wimp pastyboy, a little tip to you no matter how many times you change your username, you'll always be rumbled and you still remain a pointless zit of a person, utterly obsessed with Mr Stillman, to the point of restraining order.
nikolaijns
@ Cockney Rich love you too sweetheart, here's hoping you get mangled in a tragic farmyard accident. Look, next time i'm over i'll have some sweets in my pocket for you ok? Nah, i'm offski, because this is too easy, as per fcking usual. You should get yourself onto the next thread because the 2 minute hate is about to start. I can hear the sound of wrists pulsing and knuckles cracking as we speak......comrades, i give you........STANLEY COLLYMORE!!!!! HE HE bye, bye mother*****ers.
Tony Rocky Horror
Toodle pip, get better soon, see you on the next thread you try to suck the joy out of killjoy.
nikolaijns
Thanks for the kind words T-R-H. I will try and stay out of trouble down on the farmyard and just carry on filming your wife.
Cockney Rich
Sure, TRH. Leave now you've got you fix, you sick boy, you? I always thought you needed help; now I am even more convinced. Good riddance (that is if you can resist the chance to revel in the attention you are getting).
Naijagunner
Thanks niko, i'm feeling chipper as you might have guessed. Hope you sorted out that nasty bout of gobblers' gulch that was you itching away there, poor flower.
Tony Rocky Horror
Whenever someone says they're leaving because it's too easy you just know they're leaving because they're sinking fast! :)
Amos.
Little Dutch, you've already accused Stoke of poor coaching so by definition you are picking fault with the Managers ability. Of course the incidents of serious injury are regretable, but it is the self pitying desire to paint it as some sort of pre-meditated attack which undoubtedly raises the hackles of fans. At Spurs, Modric was kicked out of the game by Bowyer, but you didn't have this constant desire to belittle other teams, months after the fact. And whilst McLeish defended Bowyer, fans just accepted it was the Manager doing what the club pay him to do. Whilst Pulis was undoubtedly over emotional in his response, to imply he did not have sufficient sympathy for Arsenal is rather poor. And of course he would immediately defend Shawcross, being aware of the months of character assasination that Martin Taylor had to endure.
kernowboy71
"Of course, a decent man and a good manager would coach Shawcross that, errrm, the point of accidents is that you learn something from them and adapt your behaviour accordingly." - Little Dutch, if that is not painting Pulis as a bad manager.
kernowboy71
As for Pulis's comments and tirade against Wenger during the season ... why was Wenger commenting on the ManUtd v Wolves game for example? - if Wenger wants to comment on issues that have nothing to do with him, then why should people be surprised when others offer their opinions? The worst is Harry Redknapp who suffers from verbal diahorrea but if he makes comments, then it simply opens the gates for people to offer their opinion about him. Pulis's comments were so sustained and vitriolic, I actually had to look them up to recall them - another example of the poor me, aren't we hard done by. Oh, and if you've not understood why Campbell is treated with contempt by a number of people, repeating the really clear explanation is not going to help your comprehension.
kernowboy71
Looking at Shawcross' X-File, one can really see how 'unfortunate' this boy really is. I mean 3-4 broken legs and a couple of severe injuries are by no means an indication that there's something wrong to his 'approach'. It is just bad luck in combination with calcium deficiency on the side of the alleged victims like Ramsey. His coaches including one Tony Pulis most probably have seen no reason why they should be addressing that side of his game. In fact, they want him to continue what he does best: defending and putting people in hospital for an extended period of time. That's how good of a coach he is.
G4L
Q: What does moaning about how others moan about you (for months after that, too) make you? A: Simple: a moaner (who's won nothing).
G4L
G4L, apart from Ramsey, all I can see Shawcross being involved in was the challenge which resulted in Francis Jeffers breaking his leg. It should be noted, that Shawcross was NOT even booked in this incident, let alone sent off, yet fans want to use what was considered at the time, not worthy of any disciplinary action, as further evidence. If there is another case apart from Jeffers and Ramsey please let me know it. The only other incident was the Adebayor. So instead of 5-6 serious incidents, it actually seems to be 3, one of which merited no intervention by the officals at all. Shawcross's tackle on Ramsey was a poor tackle, not a malicious tackle. It was a poor tackle because he had no need to attempt it in the Arsenal half of the pitch, and it was unfortunate he caught Ramsey at a really awkward angle as Ramsey was passing with the outside of his foot. This is not Ramsey's fault, but I think if it had been at any other point, Aaron's would not have suffered anything worse than a bruise. However if you make a poor tackle, then the worst can happen.
kernowboy71
I see you are back again KB71, got over your paranoia for me calling me by your name. You like TOny spend far too much time on this board. The sun is shining, have a bbq and a beer and spend some time with the family rather than trolling the site.
paul_ownz
I see you are back again KB71, got over your paranoia for me calling me by your name. You like TOny spend far too much time on this board. The sun is shining, have a bbq and a beer and spend some time with the family rather than trolling the site.
paul_ownz
you're wrong kb71. this is the one that seriously injures a player while he was on loan at antwerpen in belgium: http://www.oleole.com/videos/arsenal/ryanshawcrosstackleonloanwroyalantwerp/mvgd9.asp
G4L
here's something more about his 'character': http://i48.tinypic.com/2hno10x.jpg
G4L
and a reminder of the tackle on Adebayor: http://www.twitvid.com/3BCE0 so how many players does shawcross have to do before someone realizes there's something wrong?
G4L
Paul_ownz, if you are too dumb to follow the clearly written Terms and Conditions then maybe you shouldn't contribute. As I mentioned to Jonathan at admin, there are hundreds of students from my year at school who use Kernowboy71 ... after Kernowboy it is the most widely used username. Ironically my username on 606 is not the same as here as it was already taken. I have however told them at the BBC that someone was using that users reak name on another site and they said they'd look into who it was because its also a breach of their rules as well.
kernowboy71
G4L, so you regurgitate an article about a tackle that Shawcross made which he wasn't even booked for. You then provide a clip of a foul as if Shawcross is the only defender who ever committed a foul ... by the way do we know if the player was just rolling around or injury. Patrick Vieria and William Gallas have committed worst fouls than that. Again you've aimed to attack Shawcross and badly missed.
kernowboy71
the notion of someone having to be booked for a leg-breaking tackle from behind in order to be considered as dangerous, malicious or even indicative of a players skill/character is so shallow! Gallas and Vieira combined have NEVER broken a fellow-professional's leg which ought to tell you something,too. like that tackling, just like passing, is an art itself or a skill that can be perfected/improved if coached properly. I wonder if you'd defended gallas so staunchly after his stamp on mark davies against bolton (davies went in two-footed on him btw) just like you're clutching straws here trying to defend a skilless thug who has a record and a coach who can't or refuses to address that. And spare us of limited resources approach, Owen Coyle has got Bolton playing good football without spending a penny and had Burnley playing proper footie on a shoestring budget. Football is indeed about winning but also about the way they go about it.
G4L
How well were Burnley doing before Coyle left? How well did WBA do playing football under Mowbray? I agree that Football should be played in a certain way but unfortunately the money in the game means that teams have to play by the lowest common denominator which is all about staying in the Premiership. And you can spend 24/7 teaching and coaching players in the correct skills but in the heat of the moment, players will make rash decisions - ultimately experience actually helps overcome this but you cannot put one incident down to poor coaching. After all, in the previous incidents, Shawcross had been on the books at ManUtd but loaned out, so are the coaching staff at Old Trafford completely useless as well?
kernowboy71
kb u really need to check stats before you speak. Burnley under Coyle were W5 D5 L9 while under Laws were W3 D1 L15. And back to the so-called rash moments; if you'd break someone's leg in a heat-of-the-moment tackle, would you rethink your actions? If you're a coach and your defender breaks two legs, goes in on a player's ankle with the ball out of play, etc. etc. would u speak to him?
G4L
Do you know that Pulis didn't speak to him? Is it a fact that Pulis didn't speak to him? I can imagine, that Pulis was thinking under his breath, what an idiot Shawcross was but NO manager worth their salt is going to condemn their player in public when such an incident has happened. You would have been horrified if Wenger had not done the same, if it had been his player. After the suspension of 3 games, Shawcross was then dropped for the next 6 games until after the Chelsea thrashing. This might be Pulis way of warning Shawcross, but ultimately unless we are members of the Stoke coaching squad, we don't know what has passed. As for Burnley, it was felt Coyle jumped because he knew he couldn't sustain playing football that way. And what about WBA?
kernowboy71
So why the ***** wasn't the title of the piece something like: A serious debate needs to be had on the quality of tackling in the premiership, or something a shade snappier?
Tony Rocky Horror
He probably spoke to him - after he broke Jeffers' leg. And yet he may have not spoken to him but encouraged him to 'get in their faces' like he always does. It's a mystery. Following the examples of Adebayor and Ramsey I'm inclined to believe the latter. Either that or Shawcross is one stupid stupid footballer who can't learn from his mistakes and should be allowed near a football pitch only as a spectator. In support of that come the public support Shawcross received which is congruent with his last statement on the Ramsey tackle and that is 'it was an accident, I feel sorry for Ramsey but I'm not going to change'. Exact same words spoken after he broke Jeffers' leg. Where has that gotten him? How Burnley would have done if Coyle had stayed is pure guesswork so let's rely on facts - they were playing good football and gathering points in the process. My point is that it is possible even for those with limited budgets to compete and do it in a decent way, what's yours? Nobody expects Barcelona style football from the Boltons and the Stokes but at least an approach that confirms that football is a sport where skill, tactics, intelligence, and hard work count more than brute force.
G4L
Fanny Jeffers!!! The fox in the box who ended up in the teeth of the Shaw-cross hares.
Tony Rocky Horror
Despite the opinions of Jeffers colleagues, no action was taken against Shawcross for the tackle by the authorities so clearly it was felt to be a no blame tackle, just an unfortunate accident. And he was actually a ManUtd player at the time. If Shawcross's tackle was considered malicious then his suspension would have been extended as many similar have. And as for Burnley, WBA tried to play that way as did Derby County and look what happened to them.
kernowboy71
Ok, we're on to 93 posts on the article. I think the general rule of thumb is that once it gets over the 100 mark someone gets acused of being racist before KB trots of and changes his username.
Rocky7
Same pathetic nonsense from you Rocky7. Disappointing but hardly surprising considering your track record of being the worst editor on the entire VitalFootball site.
kernowboy71
Any evidence to back up that claim KB, or as usual is it completely unfounded garbage? Considering your track record .... well we all know how that goes.
Rocky7
Kernowboy is the type of poster who having read his own posts realises that most others, and especially those who are more than familiar with him in his various previous incarnations, will picture him sitting at his keyboard with the word TIT in large letters above his head. In an effort at recovery he'll post again and again without making any point of any consequence but just like Pinnochio's nose each time he does so that word TIT just grows a little larger.
Amos.
Good to see you sticking to form though - better a lie than the inconvenient truth that what you allege is totally false.
kernowboy71
Yep - a little larger each time! :)
Amos.
Its fairly illustrative that when Spurs fans like I and TRH can engage in an interesting discussion with an Arsenal fan like G4L who actually wants to talk about the issues, even though we are unlikely to agree, that those on the editorial board, wanting to continue to foster continued hatred, intervene with false accusations, hence you being the worst editor on VitalFootball, Rocky7
kernowboy71
Kernowboy, I'll only respond to the first post since my last one as G4L has covered areas quite nicely. The reason Wenger commented on Wolves? Again,typically your mouth is so full of froth you haven't read the point properly. A journalist asked him his opinion on that specific incident. As for Sol, you're not allowed to dislike him based on the same reason you say I am not allowed to dislike Pulis. Sol is a footballer of the highest quality into his 36th year who has played at the highest level of the game since a teenager and won big prizes consistently. According to you, I shouldn;'t take umbrage at attacks Pulis makes against my club because he was awarded a coaching badge at 32. Well at age 30, Sol Campbell won the league undefeated at White Hart Lane. I f you're consistent, that means you're not allowed to take umbrage at actions committed by him against your club. Pulis clearly isn;t a bad manager, but there is a plethora of evidence that he has immense trouble preventing his players from behaving like apes. Dave Kitson and James Beattie were never trouble at any other of the clubs they have played at, but both are decent strikers on the transfer list for their over aggressive behaviour towards Pulis. It seems Pulis doesn;t mind instructing his players to dish it out to opponents, but he takes umbrage when they dish it out to him or to their team mates.
Little Dutch
Not the only conclusion but the one that you always make, whatever name you are using, whenever you get yourself to this stage. As for the evidence it's in pretty well every post you make. Just a little bit larger each time - eh. :)
Amos.
*waits expectantly to be accused of 'gingerism' by gromit/sir harry/ kernowboy for vaguely mentioning Dave Kitson in some insignificant context in my last post*
Little Dutch
Predictably feeble and pathetic Amos, to be expected from you.
kernowboy71
Ever hears the song 'Psycho Killer' by Talking Heads? One of the verses is: "You start a conversation you can't even finish it. You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything. When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed. Say something once, why say it again?" Just thought I'd mention it......................
Little Dutch
Little Dutch, I have no idea what you are talking about in your last post. As for the more lenghty response, Pulis got his UEFA A badge at 21. Pulis has no history with Arsenal part from being an opponent. He cannot be compared to Campbell because the contempt for Sol, comes directly from his history of being a Spurs player. Campbell is hated by Spurs fans simply because he lied to Spurs fans when pretending to be a loyal player. It would be like Fabregas continually professing his love for Arsenal, you fans loving him back, then have him leave for nothing depriving your clubs of a transfer fee. Now, would he get an Adebayor type welcome from you, or a Henry type welcome? I suspect it would be somewhat worse than the former. As for Pulis, he won't be the first to fall out with players. The most successful manager in Premiership history, Sir Alex Ferguson, doesn't exactly have a glowing CV in this regard. Even Wenger has fallen out with players as all managers have. Are you suggesting Pulis is unique in this regard?
kernowboy71
But you said I've no right to dislike Pulis due to his achievements. The context of your dislike for Campbell is totally irrelevant in that regard. You listed Pulis' achievements as though that had some relevance to my distaste for the man, so your Campbell argument is 100% null and void, it simply doesn't matter. Sol has achieved more than Pulis, so I turn around your argument and say you cant hate Sol either. Falling out with players is not unique. Headbutting them and having them offing one another in record numbers is.
Little Dutch
As for TRH, pick apart the contradictions in these two posts: "Your cynical, vitriolic article is a vile, personal attack on a man who conducts himself with a sense of integrity at all times....His reputation remains sturdy and water-tight despite this tidle wave of ignorant, debasing, bullying, reactionary abuse you decided to write against your better judgement, which should have told you what a stupid thing it was to do." Then minutes later you follow up with; "Cockney Rich love you too sweetheart, here's hoping you get mangled in a tragic farmyard accident." Yeah, you're right, too ******** easy.
Little Dutch
Little Dutch, I cannot find a single entry where I have said you've no right to dislike Pulis. What I did say was "You may criticise Pulis and some of it is deserved, but when you consider the limited resources they have". Unless you can find some comment I've made saying you are wrong to dislike Pulis, because I cannot find that entry. What I have said though is if you write an article designed to be inflamatory, don't be surprised if people criticise some of the conclusions you are arrive at. Your liking or disliking of Pulis is irrelevant, your criticism of him for behaving in a manner such as defending his players in front of the press is relevant as all managers are guilty of this sin.
kernowboy71
kernowboy, bottom line: most fans here (on our own vital site by the way) are not fans of the completely cynical brand of football that Pulis has brought to the premier league. You may well argue that the baseball cap wearing cretin has NO choice but to play this way to survive but think again - more than half of Stoke's play consists of the ball being in the air than on the ground. Rory Delap uses his hands more than his feet while playing the game. That is not football. We reserve the right to our own views and completely disagree with your views.
Deltaforce
Maybe if we just ignored the confused ramblings of TRH and KB71, they would spend alot less time over here. For years I have been totally against euthanasia, but with regards to these two VS morons, there is a strong case for it. Btw TRH and KB71, or whatever you are calling yourself today, don't bother replying to me.
Cockney Rich
Once again KB you show yourself up as just a dog yapping emptily into the night. Why even start on that line of argument when you consider the following sentence from the article, "I don`t have any problems with Stoke playing long ball tactics, the fact that they pack their side with atomic mutant supermen or Rory Delap`s long throws....That is utterly their prerogative and anything that is within the rules of association football is utterly fine and dandy." My issue is not somuch from him defending his player, but using his player's wrongdoing and forging it into a stick to beat our manager with. Again, if you read the article above, there are several examples of Pulis behaving like a tool towards our manager without provocation. This argument is sooooo unbelievably tedious,as they always are with you, because you can never actually be bothered to read the article properly, absorb all of the points made and comprehend them. You forensically pick one point that suits, throw in a load of half baked assumptions to build your point and then carry on yapping pointlessly into the night (usually culminating in a racism claim at some juncture too). All of this could be avoided if you bothered to read the piece in its entirety. As with CR, I'll say don;t bother replying. You ruin every thread you come onto and frankly, it would be a lot better for everyone if you ended this nonsense here and went back to your own thread. You're mind numbingly boring.
Little Dutch
I'm sure The Fear will be interested to see you adopting some form of arbitary censorship, allowing the insults of certain fans but denying their victims a response, undermining the credibility of VitalFootball as a forum unless people deliberately breach the Terms and Conditions of the site
kernowboy71
I'm sure he will KB - I'm also sure he'll be wondering why he's getting yet another complaint from you using yet another account. The answer is simple KB, if you don't like it, don't come here. It's really sad that this has been going on for a number of years now.
Rocky7
If you don't like other fans commenting on your page, don't publish inflamatory articles which attract them. I am sure he'll wonder why you delete posts which don't breach the T & Cs. We get plenty of insulting posts on VitalSpurs from Arsenal fans, yet OxfordSpur doesn't practice any form of censorship unless they breach the site rules.
kernowboy71
and he'll see Spurs fans and Arsenal fans like G4L having a discussion about the article until you and your Mini-Mes waded in with your non-article based nonsense and rubbish
kernowboy71
That word above his head keeps growing bigger every single time. There are rare times when some form of censorship is kinder to everyone..... but even he gets bored with himself eventually.
Amos.
To discover similar words above their head which grow larger each time, Amos Mini-Me, I suggest you look in the mirror.
kernowboy71
We do like other fans commenting here, we've had some superb discussion with a load of Spurs fans on here over the past few months, infact I was commenting only the other day how nice it was that we can talk football without resorting to nastiness for a change. The problem is KB, that each an every time you come here the subject matter is disregarded and things spiral wildly out of control, then you witter on about how I'm the worst editor, Tim is a racist and Amos over-moderates. You clearly loath everything about this site, so why on earth do you continue to comment here?
Rocky7
120 comments so far and more than 30 from KB saying nothing that if he'd taken the time to read the aricle fully and even attempted to understand the issue that it was dealing with, really has much relevance to the article. Any points that he raised were dealt with a long time ago but like an annoying little dog that can't stop barking but has long forgotten why he's barking he inists on making a noise. (Where's the evidence he asks!!!) On the basis of irrelevance and posts that amount to little more than spam I think there's more than enough justification to call time on this fool. Though he'll do it himself eventually as he always has done.
Amos.
Firstly Rocky7, I have always been happy too discuss other people's football views like I have done with G4L without any personal animosity or insult against that other poster. I accept we are bound to disagree but it is always good to discuss Football. Secondly it is only when you and your cohorts want to continue to come up with your lame accusations do things turn nasty and the entire article goes off message. I write many articles on VitalSpurs but I've never accused other members if they don't agree with what I've written as Tim often appears to do. Thirdly, as I am sure you totally agree, rascism and discrimination are appalling behaviours which should be stopped. However historically according to Allsports Theory of Anti-locution, which has been proven, this behaviour starts when people start name calling, and having no respect for other peoples culture and family names, yet hiding behind the feeble excuse known as 'flight risk' that some how it is ok, because it is only a joke. It is being increasingly demonstrated that the allowance of such behaviour is the first step on a slippery slope. Rather than criticise a poster for raising a valid point, maybe you should take it onboard and maybe see if a less offensive yet equally valid term or expression can be substituted.
kernowboy71
As this site is increasingly being read by an internationally based group of fans, don't you think a little sensitivity might be warranted rather than allowing comments which sound funny to the English audience but are not understood, or regarded as a little offensive by the increasingly wider audience?
kernowboy71
Amos, I have fully understood and discussed the article. It is a shame that your comments have not been directed towards commenting on the article, instead of insulting other VitalFootball members.
kernowboy71
I only offered my opinion when the thread had long past the point that it became clear no one was able to derive any benefit from your persistent barking but I'm not insulting you KB, you do far too good a job of that all by yourself. I'm just freely offering my opinion on the value and relevance of your pious, pompous, pretentious posts. If you don't like other fans commenting on your posts, don't publish inflamatory posts which attract them.
Amos.
Well having reflected upon it a little more, i have to say that i still feel you have misrepresented Pulis. I can understand anger, it's a human emotion but there you are. And in regards to Cockney Rich's comments, and this is especially for you my friend, i can only give way to a far more eloquent voice than mine, Martin Niemoller: When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist. When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat. When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist. When they came for the Jews, I remained silent; I wasn't a Jew. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.
Tony Rocky Horror
It's funny KB because if you took the time to get to know the members of this site you'd know that it is a largely international forum, and that many people making what we call "jokes" are black, white, yellow, blue, green, pink, English, French, Chinese, German, American, African ..... we just understand that they are just that, jokes. It's not our fault you are so tightly wound. And I'll ask you again, if you think this site is so poorly run and full of rubbish content, why oh why bother coming here? Report us and move on. Your blood pressure must be through the roof if this is how you spend your spare time.
Rocky7
Misrepresented Pulis? I don't say how, he's a baseball capped thug apologist, there's little denying it. Whether or not he kept the club in the PL with little resources is by the by. That's like congratulating Abramovich for having the nous to make millions whilst disregarding the fact that he raped and pillaged a country to do so.
Rocky7
and when numerous Arsenal players were sent off for bad tackles, when his players were spitting at opponents, did this make Wenger a suit wearing thug apologist? Of course not.
kernowboy71
its also funny that you allow foul and abusive language in articles, which would be automatically censored in the posts that members make.
kernowboy71
The coding for the comments are network wide, there's nothing I can do about it. Arsene Wenger has never made any excuses for anyone commiting a bad challenge or spitting. Infact Wenger apologised for William Gallas' challenge instead of telling the world he's a nice boy who goes to church. It's not a hard thing to do, yet Pulis is unwilling to do it.
Rocky7
"I`m sorry if the tackle was not good. Really. There are two things I`ve heard just now. One, that he was not happy with the tackle. I`m sorry the tackle was not a good one, and I apologise." - Wenger [Edited by Rocky7] [Edited by Rocky7]
Rocky7
And when Vieria spat on Ruddock? (ok we'd like to do that but its still not allowed) - the point is all Managers defend their players. As a young player compared to an experienced pro like Gallas, Pulis was maybe too fatherly in his protection of what amounts to a very expensive club investment for a team like Stoke, but the abuse piled on him for doing so is immeasurably excessive.
kernowboy71
I can't remember that far back to recall what Wenger said (Or find any proper quotes on the internet) but I think it's one thing to maybe show a bit of backing to a player who commited an offence after he was racially abused, and a completely different matter to not even offer an apology after a played had his leg snapped in half simply for having the cahoonas for having posession of a football.

Listen, almost every Arsenal fan recognises that Shawcross did not intend to break Rambo's leg. Arsene Wenger NOT ONCE questioned the intent, but labeled the tackle "unacceptable" ... which considering the state of Aaron's leg, it was. Pulis NOT ONCE offered an apology for the tackle. Pulis also continually slated Wenger for his comments about Shawcross integrity (Seriously Pulis ... what comments) Thereby creating nationwide outcry at Arsene Wenger. These are unrefutible facts. And this is why Pulis should be hled in complete contempt. The guy is vermin.
Rocky7
Damn it, I apear to have made all the comments section italic.
Rocky7
Fixed.
Rocky7
Fine. I think its the way Wenger acts in this regard, like the boy who cried wolf. I am fairly certain that Pulis never said the tackle was acceptable as there is no way he could justify it. I felt he overreacted over concern that Wenger MIGHT attack Shawcross's integrity as he had previously done so with Martin Taylor. But I accept this is obviously an issue where Gunners feel passionate because of a spate of injuries, but then you are not the only team that suffer rough house tactics. So Rocky7, why is it necessary for those that form your editorial team to seek refuge in making ludicrous personal accusations instead of joining in a constructive argument as Tony and I, were enjoying with G4L? You complain about the number of these comments but this is only a result of me and others having to respond to those malicious and false accusations.
kernowboy71
Again, Arsene Wenger apologised for his reaction to the Martin Taylor incident, though thrusting a microphone right in his face immdiately after watching Eduardo get stretchered off and then concede a last minute penalty is practically begging for a headline or two. Our issue is that Pulis refuses to take responsibility for what happened (either through his coaching tactics or on behalf of Shawcross) instead painting Shawcross as the victim and somehow managing to get the whole country against Wenger, who did or said absolutely nothing wrong. And the little slaphead couldn't even bring himself to say sorry, not even through gritted teeth. So you see, Pulis is deserving of every comment thrown at him by Gooners. I can't be bothered discussing "ludicrous" and "false" accusations because I know 100% they are anything but. But as I've said previously, if you can play nice I don't care who you are/were/will be/are not. It amazes me that you come to an Arsenal site, and don't expect a little Arsenal bias.
Rocky7
Rocky7, I am happy to play nice so those comments should be directed at Amos and Little Dutch. And believe me, they are in fact 100% false. After all you were happy enough with my comments re:Fabregas.
kernowboy71
Welcome to Arsenal Football Club, our motto: 'Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing'
Tony Rocky Horror
Welcome to T*ttenham hotsp*r football club, our motto: 'You need to have a sense of humour bypass to follow us... apart from when we play"
nikolaijns
welcome to Totnum Hotspurs football club, please don't tell Tom Huddlestone we have a canteen.
Little Dutch
I see you've signed Chamakh. Perfect Wenger signing. He's young, he's foreign, he runs about a bit, he passes, he does his hair, he runs about a bit, he passes, he does his hair, he runs about a bit, he passes, he does his hair, he runs about a bit........
Tony Rocky Horror
That might be funny Little Dutch, if you weren't so out of date. Huddlestone has lost 16kgs (in old money - 2 and a half stones) and is now playing at a weight of 78kgs (about 12st 6lbs) which is not bad for someone who is 6ft2
kernowboy71
And to think I thought you had no sense of humour.............
Little Dutch
actually its now 11st 10lbs apparently.
kernowboy71
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t8zNU_dbN0
Little Dutch
he breaks his leg, he sits on the sofa a bit, he does his hair.......
Tony Rocky Horror
I have a sense of humour Little Dutch. I might even be able to use it if you eventually say something that's remotely funny :)
kernowboy71
Tell you what Buzz Killington old boy, I'll say something funny when you say something interesting. Alright? Go. *tumbleweed........*
Little Dutch
What is funny is the way Thudd controlled the midfield against ManC, the same midfield who humiliated you lot. Maybe there is something in having a few extra pounds.
kernowboy71
I take all my hits and tips in how not to be interesting from an article like this. As a guide to insomnia alleviating verbosity its without any peers. One almost has to ask if the author is related to Neil Kinnock? Why take 10 words when you can use a 1,000 to reflect the authors sense of self importance? Its almost a case of flogging a dead horse to such an extent that it no longer even resembles a horse. When you stop writing boring articles, maybe people will stop responding with uninteresting comments in sympathy.
kernowboy71
I pity your students Kernow :) Do you waffle on like this to them? Good grief I can see it now, 20 of the buggers zoning out from the droning, Arsenal are bad mmmmkay.
nikolaijns
So uninteresting that you wilfully go out of your way, navigate away from your own Vital site to come here and read them and leave half centuries of dull, inane, vacuous comments. I'd be alittle flattered by your obsession with me if I didn;t find it a little scary. I bet you've printed off my facebook profile picture, blown it up to lifesize and blu tacked it to your bedroom ceiling so you can look at it whilst you lie there in your own filth crying whilst you whack one off.
Little Dutch
I bet you use every opportunity to try and brainwash them into spudsville don't you? Come on own up, what do they say to you after endless sepia tinged frothing about '61? Hey teacher! Leave them Y*ds alone! All in all you're just a 'nother prr1ck from cornwall ;)
nikolaijns
I wasn't aware you had a Facebook profile. I better look you up so I can get some posters done, in time for the next time you visit White Hart Lane printed along with some of the comments you've made about Spurs so we can give you a proper welcome. I'd have to say that a little public sector twerp who Mr Cameron will hopefully send a P45 to, is really not my type though but it doesn't surprise me that in your world of self delusion you thought you were.
kernowboy71
If you weren't aware I had a profile, how did you know I worked in the public sector? Just go away Scrappy Doo, you were boring at first but now you're just being kind of depraved and a little bit mental. As ever you ruined the thread and turned it into a farce like you always do, so why not just trot off and come back in about three weeks with another new identity and we'll start this whole tedious chirade all over again. Don't bother responding and I will do in kind from here on and we can both try and stop this site becoming even more of a farce.
Little Dutch
T-R-H', once agai I
Cockney Rich
**** Sorry for the above post. Realised that I was responding to ANOTHER VS post on here, and felt that the comment was beneath me.
Cockney Rich
For someone who complained about me putting their name up because it broke the clear"terms and conditions" you were bleating on about, surely your comment to LD about giving him a proper welcome at WHL can be considered as a threat.
paul_ownz
So, Tony Pulis .... what a bell end he is huh?
Rocky7
Right bellend, (now, on this performance) run very close by KB71.
Naijagunner
kernowboy71, Tony Rocky Horror the only "jerk circle" going on here is between you two. Why don't you both slap on the lube and hitch your skirts for each other in private instead of this public display of affection that is clearly reciprocated in your responses to each other? Jesus, get a bloody room eh!
LondonGooner
THE INGRAINED, INHERENT HYPOCRISY OF TRH AND SO MANY OF HIS PATHETIC SPUD COHORT: "Indeed, Pulis is even more the man for his entirely human response under the circumstances." -- Yes, I'll remember that the next time you and your revolting tribe yet again trash and villify Wenger for DARING to have just such a "human" moment when he reacted emotionally twice to seeing 2 of his players' legs broken. As I've said before, TRH, you constantly demonstrate hypocrisy of the highest order. The ONLY reason you're here defending Pulis is because gooners are trashing him, that's the sum total of your criteria for defending anyone. Anyone we dare to criticize makes you get all self-righteous and sanctimonious espousing ethical principles you suddenly forget when it comes to our manager and our club. You list his credentials and his integrity and you say how everyone in football admires and respects him as some sort of reason that we're not allowed to criticize him. Yeah, HYPOCRITE, I'll remember that the next time you and your cretinous weasel-tribe trash and villify our manager for the zillionth time -- a manager who's achieved a helluva lot more than Pulis, a manager who's respected and admired all over the football world. I ask you AGAIN, why the hell do you spend more time on our site than on your own? Wtf is your petty little neurotic obsession with Arsenal? So many of you spuddies have this pathetic loser neurosis. Go seek some therapy.
jaelle
More typocal TRH hypocrisy: "I can understand anger, it's a human emotion" - except, of course, when it's expressed by Arsene Wenger. kernowboy or whoever you are, you are flat out LYING when you defend yourself by saying you're trying to discuss serious issues yadayadayada. That is disproven when you persist in this continual red herring about "intention" re the Shawcross tackle. We have said over and over and OVER again in posts and in articles on this site that NO ONE EVER CLAIMED BAD INTENTION FROM SHAWCROSS and that intention is totally totally irrelevant. But you keep bringing up this strawman argument as if it has any relevance whatsoever to the discussion -- it doesn't. In fact, the thing I notice about both you and TRH is that your posts are entirely based on strawman arguments - you project your own biases and prejudices onto LD's article and the various gooner posters here, inventing out of whole cloth accusations based entirely on interpretations that YOU both choose to see. Strawman and red herring arguments, that's all you two can manage. You totally fail to deal with the actual positions being argued here. And I'm sure you at VS never ever publish articles attacking anyone, do you?
jaelle
Thank you jaelle. For a moment, just for a split second i thought i might have got this one wrong. After reading your response i feel totally vindicated.
Tony Rocky Horror
"For a moment, just for a split second i thought i might have got this one wrong. " -- another lie, like you ever think you're wrong about anything.
jaelle
Well report it then Paul_Ownz
kernowboy71
Let's imagine something shall we? Let's imagine we're in a pub together and we see Pulis at the bar. I go up and start kicking and punching him. All our friends stand around and applaud and cheer. The police turn up and arrest me. They ask me why i did it and i say this: "this man is a thug and a chav. His son accidently hurt my friend really badly, and when we had a go at him, he came out and said his son was a lovely lad and we had no business having a go at him. Then he started putting it about that his son was a lovely lad in the neighbourhood and all that. So i took a bottle and smashed it over his head" At which point the police would charge me with a serious assult, round up all those who cheered, aided and abetted and charge them too. So you see jaelle, it is not me but YOU in the context of social, moral and ethical law who is the strawman and the liar. YOU who is not interested in justice or the reasonableness. YOU who fails to appreciate the seriousness of the argument.
Tony Rocky Horror
You jaelle never seem to have any argument to offer other than a variation on the same tired theme: YOU'RE A SPUD, YOU'RE A SPUD, YOU'RE A SPUD, AND YOU'RE NOT OBJECTIVE EITHER, YOU DO IT TOO!!!!!!. I never get any evidence, no contructive comment just a tidal wave of emotional abuse, as if you sit at your computer and never even pause to suck in the air. At least Amos and others post links to try to back up what they're saying. You just launch in without any pause to thought at all.
Tony Rocky Horror
Wow, TRH, you are seriously seriously deluded. I've just finished reading your last post, widening my eyes and gasping at the utter lunacy and stupidity of your truly hilarious, bizarro-world analogy. I always thought you were a hypocrite, a liar and a complete idiot but I never realized you were deranged. Wow. That tells me all I need to know. I now know how to read your posts and where they're coming from, poor fool. I just have to smile and think "well, what's the point talking to a lunatic?"
jaelle
If you look back at my previous posts you'll see that i never said anything about Shawcross tackle. if you really want to know, i think it was a poor challenge because it was badly executed and controlled. No, its the tone of the article i objected to and any right minded person would have aswell!!!! So get your facts in order-'honey'.
Tony Rocky Horror
Well all i can say is that if you percieve controlled, reasoned argument as insanity, you can pretty much guarantee that you're on the other side of the partition: crazy as a *****house rat.
Tony Rocky Horror
So calling someone a bellend is the same as glassing them? Riiiight, and you said we were easily offended? You also offered that you hoped CR would gte mangled in a tractor accident. Have you ever heard of bi-polar disorder?
Little Dutch
No probs, LD, next time the mob comes kicking in your door and hurling abuse at you because of what you 'said' let's hope they'll be enough people like me-you know the liars and the lunatics and the creeps-still left around to watch your back and fight your corner. Or maybe those people will have already been carted off to be 'euthanised' in the rather unpleasant words of CR.
Tony Rocky Horror
No calling someone a bellend isn't the same as glassing them, but that isn't the only thing you said is it.
Tony Rocky Horror
Maybe not, but I'm hardly knocking at his door froth mouthed, throwing abuse and glassing him. It's instructive that you can't or won't see the contradiction in your own argument. Pulis' many unprovoked attacks on Wenger make him "dignified and human" to you, but my retaliation makes me comparable to some knuckle dragging thug? It goes like this, Pulis started something of a war against my football club, don't come to me with your pious rubbish because an Arsenal fan fought back. Unless of course you were one of those legion of Spurs fans who proudly applaud Sol Campbell on his every return to White Hart Lane? Nah, didn;t think you were.
Little Dutch
Jesus, if he started a war let's hope there's more like you around to keep it going!!!! It's obvious that absolutlely nothing i say is going to make you reconsider what you wrote because no matter what i say there's always the disclaimer of being able to say "but he/they/him/her/she started it and so i'm justfied in my retaliation. Which is one of the main reasons why the world is in such a mess.
Tony Rocky Horror
You see LD it's you who's now prosecuting this war. Did Tony Pulis call you a bunch of ****s yesterday afternoon? Face it. You feel an resolved sense of human anger because someone from your community was hurt and you need someone to carry the blame and Pulis is the easiest target. For all you know Pulis could have gone home and cried himself to sleep after it happened. If you really need to write articles of a vindictive nature why not instead nominate the 'bellends' who chanted "he's only got one leg" at Ramsey as he lay in agony on the ground and then all of us could have heartily applauded.
Tony Rocky Horror
Here's the other point you keep ignoring, I didn't just mention his reaction to the Ramsey incident did I? I never apportioned any blame to anyone from Birmingham for Eduardo's leg break bar the fact that Taylor- like Shawcross- tackled in a reckless manner. You'll see it;s the continued attacks of Pulis on Arsenal if you couyld actually be arsed to read the whole article without getting lost in your own little dreamworld where you invent your own points then argue with them. You're like a dog chasing its tail. The very fact that you cannot separate a war of words from a literal violent war says everything about the cloud cuckoo land you inhabit. I notice you also dodged my point about Campbell, I take it you were all forgiveness and understanding and applaud him when he comes back to the Lane? Pulis isn;t the easiest target, Shawcross is, you'll notice I haven't "targetted" him. I criticised one comment he made, Pulis just ran his mouth and gave me a lot more to go with. You said it yourself when trying toi defend Pulis, everyone feels anger and dislike. Even you. It's what you do with it, the fact that you think writing an off the cuff, not overly serious article amounts to the same as banging down the dude's door and glassing him in the face says everything about your tenuous grip on reality.
Little Dutch
Like i said nothing i say is going to convince you that attacking someone is wrong because you just don't care. You've worked it all out in your head and even if i stood here for hours and days and weeks and years you still wouldn't care. I'm tired of trying to reason with you because you always just revert to the same old ***** to cover your ass: your deluded, you're an idiot etc. I feel like Berenger in Ionesco's Rhinocerous as he stares out into the street and tries to convince himself the beasts are beautful because everyone tells him they are. Be a man, not a beast.
Tony Rocky Horror
You'll have to excuse my spelling i wrote in rather a rush.
Tony Rocky Horror
And you haven't been able to come up with anything approaching a salient point- largely because you haven;t read the article properly. (Also you've contradicted yourself dozens of times. It's all too easy apparently, but now you're tired of trying to reason. Taking the ***** out of someone is the same as violently attacking them. Pulis' criticisms make him human and dignified, mine make me a beast. Pulis should be respected, Campbell should be reviled. The article is illthought out in tone, CR should get magled by a tractor). You're nothing like Ionescu's Rhinocerous, though thinking that fits in with your paranoid delusion, you're more akin to Dostoyevsky's Raskolnikov. Thinking you can see all ills and are above them and when you practise them yourself, you think you do so with a sense of aloof and detachment. But you don't.
Little Dutch
....and that Tony Pulis, he's a right bellend isn't he!
Amos.
No problemo pal. Goodnight and......good luck.
Tony Rocky Horror
= aka Ton o' Pull o' *****!
MrE._Man
Brilliant Article Tim! You're just totally spot on about Pulis! Bellend of the Season is just right for him! All that CR*P about Shawcross who had previous for Bad Tackles, How many players have broken TWO other players Legs?! How the Hell can anyone stick up for a Player like that?! Also What the hell is he doing in the Nude in the Dressing room after the Game at The Grove? That just WRONG!
hackneyval
@ T-R-H, on this thread alone, you have made 31 postings. Over on VS there are several recent threads regarding the achievements of Spuds reaching the CL qualifying stage, how the Spuds squad will cope in the CL, and also a piece wishing the Spuds players in the England squad all the best. On these subjects, you have made just 3 postings. Yes, 3 ! And even one of those posts mentions Ashley Cole and Gael Clichy ! Your weird and wacky take on things has kept myself, and many others, very amused. Perhaps you would like to spend more time on VS, and let the people over there marvel at your wisdom and knowledge of all things Arsenal. They will also love your sense of humour, and I am sure they will appreciate your help in getting their number of postings up.
Cockney Rich
Tony Rocky Horror - Why don't you do us all a favour and ***k off somewhere else with your holier than thou attitude & patronising posts. You're boring & do nothing but ruin a light hearted, fun post on an Arsenal forum when you are not even a fan. Take the hint & stick with your own fans I'm sure they will appreciate your posts as much as we don't, you pointless little man.
LondonGooner
im gutted big sam didnt get it, whenever we get a result against you lot everyone seems to hate him
LHrover
You know it's funny guys, i was wondering if either of you have ever been to Stoke? It's a pretty run down place really. People are poor. Always has been. Since Pulis arrived, however, the place has changed somewhat. It's been the introduction of premiership football that's done it, see. Suddenly the people have a spring in their step; they believe in themselves again. It's no exaggeration to say that there would be many, many people in Stoke right who wouldn't have a livelihood in if weren't for that 'ogre' Mr Pulis. Everyone at Stoke pulls together and fights: all for one and one for all, like in the good old days. They know that it can't last forever and when they do go down that'll be it for another twenty years. That sense of self-belief, of absolute pride in your community is something you simply can't comprehend because you lost it years ago and became another greedy, corporate machine with a mega stadium and a repulsive constituency if prawn sandwich quaffing day trippers to boot.
Tony Rocky Horror
Stoke City are a tiny, miniscule club compared to yours, with no power whatsoever and no money. This makes the depiction of them as bullying ogres and your mighty club as innocent victims even more ridiculous. It's clubs like Stoke City who are the ones who always get shat on by the bigger teams in the end. Thank god there are still clubs out there like Stoke (with passionate support that don't boo their own players) to remind us of how things used to be. For the elite the party never ends- for teams like Stoke thier stay will only ever be a short one and that is one of the reasos why people love Pulis so much and feel emotional about him.
Tony Rocky Horror
Our " mega stadium " will be similar to the one that Spuds have applied for planning permission to build. No doubt that Spuds will be using their " corporate machine " to sell the ' naming rights ' for their proposed new stadium. Another brilliantly thought out post from you T-R-H. Once again we find you on VA, completely ignoring the articles on VS. Are you having ' logging in ' problems as well as mental and personality disorder ones ?
Cockney Rich
What's the name of Stoke's new stadium again? I'm sure it's named after a company or some other such corporate entity?
Little Dutch
I'm not excusing what happened, it was a bad tackle, and Pulis did overreact. I hope this helps you see things in more positive light.
Tony Rocky Horror
It's such a shame CR that you can't see the bigger picture and must always resort to insults.
Tony Rocky Horror
And for the last time, Pulis' achievements are irrelevant to the article, a lot of successful people are bellends. For christ's sake, David Cameron is the Prime Minister!
Little Dutch
T-R-H, one of your last of MANY posts on here was " bellend of vitalArsenal - jaelle ". Also, I can see the bigger picture if it is a clear and accurate one, unlike the ones painted by you. You are started to get tied in knots on this thread again. Isn't it about time you called KB71 for some help, or is he on VS where you should be ?
Cockney Rich
Look, all i did was step in and say "wait, hang on, there's more to this than meets the eye" and for helping you out what did muggins 'ere get? A predictable ***** storm of outright anger and resentment.
Tony Rocky Horror
T-R-H, " a predicatble ***** storm of outright anger and resentment ", personally, would have made me stay away from the site. I would not feel the need to return to it at all times of the day and night, bickering with all and sundry. As LD and many others have pointed out to you on previous occassions, if you don't like the content or the remarks aimed at you, then just STAY AWAY.
Cockney Rich
We wouldnt even generate 200+ posts for signing Messi.
paul_ownz
That's cos Messi is ***** !
Cockney Rich
LOL, CR! Right bellend, that Messi fella.
jaelle
My argument drew upon a range of intellectual paradigms to illustrate my position:the interrelation of psychology, sociology, and economy was explored as was existentialist theory and moral philosophy to boot. And i still got called all manner of hateful things. Ah well.....
Tony Rocky Horror
TRH - You realise the goons will not have any level of understanding of what you just wrote lol.......maybe it is time for you to leave them to discuss such childish matters as who their bellend of the year is..
CGan1
That was all very well TRH, if more than a little boring, but you omitted to consider Pulis's relationship with the theory and practice of Bellendery in your search for intellectual justification for whatever argument it was you'd lost sight of.
Amos.
You're all just wild, sentient hominds roaming the cyberspace savannah, beating your hairy chests in tribalistic chorus. Bearing your teeth into snarl and hissing and spitting verbiage as you decend upon your prey.
Tony Rocky Horror
Bit of Desmond Morris for you mate. Enjoy.
Tony Rocky Horror
I particularly liked the piece of intellectual, chin stroking pontification that led you to tell one of our posters that you hoped he would be mangled in a tractor accident. Which school of learned intelligentsia did you learn that one from?
Little Dutch
Desmond Morris eh! He could have spent a lot of time studying the anthropology of your species - but would've been mightily underwhelmed by it.
Amos.
I didnt finish off because i got bored.
paul_ownz
Let's keep any banter good natured now eh! We've done all the bitter ranting.
Amos.
Yeah but he made started by saying he wished i was dead. So, you know, i just said that it wouldn't neccesarily be a a bad thing if he had an accident, you know in retaliation, that's all.
Tony Rocky Horror
A little less Desmond Morris and more primary school playground that last one TRH!
Amos.
Oh come on amos, took me a few minutes on that last rant.
paul_ownz
What's sauce for the goose (or should that be cock?)... I'm afraid paul.
Amos.
Who's your best player, in your opinion?
Tony Rocky Horror
You see what I mean about just making a noise!
Amos.
Speaking of sauce, enjoy those fish fingers and waffles with the 'partner' tonight Amos!!! Ummmm all lovely and yummy for a big growing Gooner lad!!!!
Tony Rocky Horror
I would like to think i was above the goose, and far away from the cock
paul_ownz
Just more pointless noise eh TRH! Even you must get tired of yourself sometimes surely?
Amos.
Quick, back in your seats, 'Jonathan's coming' HE HE HE!!!!
Tony Rocky Horror
Apparently not then! :)
Amos.
Ha, was half way through the pleasure of policing it all and I got a power cut... still, on the bright side, was able to go and have tea (chicken rice noodle stir fry thanks for asking!)
Have removed loads of comments from 'both sides' it just got hellish didn't it?! There is banter and there is abuse, one is fine the other isn't. Hey, a quiz, I'll leave it with you to decide which is fine!

Seriously, the running argument isn't a good use of anyones time surely? If you see a poster you don't like much, ignore... life is too short. If you see something that is out of order, abuse@vitalfootball.co.uk gets through to us or I'm easy enough to find jonathan@ or even my site email astonvilla@ or jp@leavemealonetoeatmytea.com ... one of those isn't real. So, the second bit of your homework..... You get my drift I'm sure.

I realise you all can't be as perfect as me, but do try! :o) This is all meant to be for a laugh, banter, footie talk and a release from the 'real world' so all the conspiracy theories etc aren't really needed. Cheers folks... moving on.
The Fear
oh and I usually do the vitalfootballadmin login but as I was named above, I didn't bother..!
The Fear
Anyway. .. back on topic. Bellend of the year is Theo Walcott. Unfortunately by the end of the WC I fear he will have attained Double-Bellend status. I really feel for the boy, he never wanted to play football but that 'nice' old man came round to see him and offered him allsorts. He'd rather be a cake maker.
Darbinho
Darbinho, suggest you look at the meaning of the word bellend in some online slang dictionary first. Your post shows a lack of the grey cells.
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Sanogo 2%
Walcott 5%
Welbeck 51%