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Wenger & Co Tell Barcelona To Do One!

Arsenal Football Club spoke publicly & officially today regarding Barcelona's interest in Gunners captain Cesc Fabregas, and in no uncertain terms, they told the Spanish giants to piss right off.

The Arsenal board has shown true class through out the whole sordid affair in which the La Liga Champions had every man and his dog trying to turn Cesc's head without actually having the balls to put in an off .... so the Gunners kept quiet.

Today however, the Arsenal board put to bed the speculation all together, thus honouring Fabregas's wishes to have his future sorted out before the world cup. And it is, You're staying with us son.

In an official statement Arsenal said, 'Arsenal captain Cesc Fabregas is under contract with the Club until the summer of 2015. He is a highly-valued member of the team and part of our future plans.

'We have followed recent speculation linking Cesc with a move away from the Club but as there has never been any official approach for him, only two informal exchanges, in which we made it abundantly clear that we have no interest in transferring Cesc, we have refrained from publicly passing comment. However, yesterday evening we received an offer from Barcelona for Cesc and in response, we immediately and resolutely told them once again that we have no intention of selling our captain.

'To be clear, we will not make any kind of counterproposal or enter into any discussion. Barcelona have publicly stated that they will respect our position and we expect that they will keep their word.'


Brilliant, the instant Barca put in a formal offer ... BAM ... Ivan the terrible pounces. 'Do one!' he shouts. It almost feels like it's all we've been waiting for. I can just imagine Arsene, Gazidis and Peter Hill-Wood sat in the board room sniggering like school children, letting speculation grow, and letting Barca dig themselves into a deep deep hole. All the time knowing exactly what the out come would be.

Well played fellers, well played.




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The Journalist

Writer: Rocky7 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday June 2 2010

Time: 3:44PM

Your Comments

Those of you wondering what relevence the article picture has to the article ... it's Barcelona ... a set of arse-holes.
Rocky7
That's admirable and optimistic Rocky but it's just the first step in what will become a very long, drawn out summer i predict.
shewore
So Arsenal are after more money then?.......
victort
Nope. I just don't see it. That statement will stop Barca (for this summer at least). It's too strong to allow a transfer now, they know if they sold him they would be crucified by the Arsenal fans.
Rocky7
Joan had better go to Las Ramblas with a sign reading "need money for players please help" 29 Million is a JOKE.
iceman10
yer you know that he will leave you. he has ambition and wants to win trophies and lets face it he aint gonna do that with you is he. 5 years no cups, 5 years no cups.
nel yid
According to the UEFA rules, Barcelona were not allowed to make a formal approach/offer until 1st June, despite being allowed to make unofficial soundings. Every man and his dog would also appear to be Cesc Fabregas himself, as well as his father who is his agent. It appears that you will enjoy next season with a disgruntled and disappointed player leading your ranks.
kernowboy71
As the guy from the Mr.Sparkle advert in the Simpson's would say: "Hello american investor, you have chosen wisely".
gronedrone
Some sexy a-holes though
paul_ownz
Good for you guys. Barca and their ilk can shove it. Well played indeed.
BlueBanes
I wonder what the offer was though, probably an insultingly low one...
BlueBanes
For some reason you don't see any gooners at VS talking about how Gareth Bale is going to leave when similar articles appeared on there... oh, but wait I forget we don't live in the shadow of a greater Club and how to follow and comment on every thing they do. I think Cesc has made it perfectly clear that he is happy with whatever the outcome is and has left his future in the hands of Wenger. All Arsenal fans accept that Cesc will one day leave and Cesc himself has said that on numerous occasions but he stil has a future here and that *****es some of you spuds off.
gronedrone
Well apparently 29 mil. As I have said in the forums, Jog on Barca.
True-Gooner-Blood
It was probably in the region of £30 million, which is insulting. In todays market when players like Berbatov and Shevchenko are worth that Cesc is worth at least £60.
gronedrone
Good. Feck barcelona. Mourinho will **** them up this year, don't give them Fabregas too.
JT_daniel
At last. Barcelona now know what they can do with their £30m now. Yes, that's right...pay us the money they still owe us.
Wyn Mills
How is Cesc going to be disgruntled? We have shown that there is no amount of money on earth that will persuade us to sell at this moment. By contrast Barcelona only value him at £30m. If I was Cesc I would be feeling pretty insulted by that. He's at a club where he's loved and wants to win things. Nothing has changed. Time to move on.
Wyn Mills
for the record - give me a disgruntled and under performing cesc for a season, rather than a disgruntled 24 man squad should we let him go
bootoo
The reported offer was so ridiculous that it took so long to fax it through (do people still use fax machines?) as they must have struggled with embarrassment before having the nerve to press the send button. Such a derisory offer could only be justified on the basis that either they don’t really want Cesc that much or if they do they don’t have the resources to buy him. Or perhaps they felt that a low opening bid would lower expectations in a negotiating stance you might employ if you were trying to do a deal for a second hand Mondeo. If it was the last of these then the assertive and public manner in which Arsenal has used this to slam the door in their faces will indicate just how much they have played into our hands.
Amos.
Looks like Arsenal may have a player going to the World cup with England after all if the Joe Cole reports are true.
Wyn Mills
Last year Chamakh said that every day he was seeing himself less and less as a Bordeaux player and stated many times that Arsenal was the club he wanted to go to. And still Bordeaux didn't sell him because the bid was too low. Cesc has not been half as vocal as Chamakh and yet we are led to believe by the media that Wenger will be easier pushed over and let go of his captain and arguably best player.
gronedrone
Ya know, I may rant and rant all day long sometimes about AW and the club but the contrast between the way our manager and our club have behaved v. the way Barca, its officials and their players have behaved is really quite striking. Credit to Guardiola, who's remained silent throughout. You don't see our players or chairman or CEO talking to the media declaring that such and such a player from another club should and will come to Arsenal. Arsenal remained utterly silent, properly, until and only when an OFFICIAL move was made by Barca. And then they came out swinging. Well played. I now think Cesc will stay with us one more season. He might want to leave this summer but I think AW can convince him to stay with us for that long, and I'm sure he'll be professional and committed. He does love Arsenal, after all.
jaelle
yeah, but the sooner they put a muzzle on P Hill-Wood the better.
Wyn Mills
Beginning of a long transfer story. They bid 30m it was rejected..Arsenal want 50m, so i think he'll go for 42m ish.....problem with all this is Fabregas is desperate to leave, but club have made it very clear that he is irreplaceable and it is becoming very desperate. It will be a much more painful thing for Arsenal fans when he does leave. As whoever comes in will be replacing someone that is the heartbeat of the team. The gap could be the same as Alonso left in Liverpool and Aqualani did not fill..
CGan1
For me, this isn't about Fabregas anymore, its about how we're not going to let other clubs, or our own players, tell us what to do. If Cesc is a moddy little so and so next season, I'd still say it's worth it just to show everyone who actually is boss. That said I believe Fabregas is a good lad, it's not like he wants to leave because he hates the club, if he stays he'll still give 100%, I'm sure of that.
Rocky7
I would return a fax with a 12million pound + Almunia offer
paul_ownz
Oops what i mean is I would return a fax with a 12million pound + Almunia offer for Messi
paul_ownz
My return fax would have read, "HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Good one. No, really, what's your offer then?"
Little Dutch
"Some sexy a-holes though" -- Amen to that!
Sajit
Rocky, I'm not really worried about Cesc's performances should he stay. As I've said before, he's not Adebayor. If anything, I anticipate it will be like Gareth Barry coming back after almost joining Liverpool. He gave it his all for Villa and led them to a spectacular season the following year. Cesc has given no indication that he doesn't care for/respect this club or Wenger. He'll be just fine on the pitch, should he stay. And I say 'should he stay' because while I've been confident the whole time that Cesc would stay, there's always a chance ;-)
TPowell
SAD SAD SAD HE WANTS TO GO AND HE WILL GO -U NICKED HIM , EMBARRISSING. RESPECT HIM GET THE MAX 4 HIM DONT MAKE UR SELF LOOK STUPID OR DO - LET HIM GO 40 MIL
J.COYS-TTID
BTW, if anyone's been following these Joe Cole rumours, John Cross' latest tweet is: "Joe Cole has 100pc NOT signed for #Arsenal. Checked it, it's not true. They like him but Joe wants to concentrate on WC, decision after SA"
jaelle
I like Joe Cole, and should he sign for us it would be another good addition to the squad who we got for absolutely nothing (unless you count wages).
gronedrone
I find it ironic that a Spurs fan typing in capitals and using text type and poor spelling is telling us not to make ourselves look stupid.
Rocky7
I find it quite normal Rocky. What was truly embarrassing was Levy trying to get hold of Berbatov when SKY sports news cameras pictured him walking into old trafford. Instead of pursuing the Tapping up claim they settled for Fraiser Campbell on a years loan.........
iceman10
Wonder if they are going to be so preachy once Modric and Bale decide that they wanna leave?
True-Gooner-Blood
ok rocky 1 more round, u should show respect to fabregas- berbatos is a *****er, fabregas aint , i agree iceman but times are changing -MODRIC CAPS JUST 4 U ROCKY!, u r making ur self look stupid just set the price at 40 mil job done move on, something to make u happy i know joe cole supports u lot, no joke i think he will take fabregas place - plus u will have some 1 in eng team, hope spelling is better stalone.
J.COYS-TTID
u might have a point true gb its all fun tho who u supporting in the world cup BLOOD
J.COYS-TTID
We are respecting Fabregas its Barca-needa-Loana who are dissing him. Can you imagine Buggestain and the 2 Joans discussing it "Si Si we fhhax them offer of 29 millions, is a good price 4 x what Wolves have agreed to phhay for Steven Fletcher".
iceman10
u set the price like 40 mil then u have done ur bit ,and its all down to them to come up with it ,if not no deal simple , POOR SPELLING!
J.COYS-TTID
J.Coys, the way Fabregas is treated at this club is exemplary and this issue not is not about respect. It is a battle between Player power and the power of clubs enforced through contracts. Barca somehow think they are entitled to Fabregas because he came through their academy. Well, he is the captain of our team who last signed a deal extension with us as recently as late last year. The length of his contract means that Arsenal are in the driving seat here. And thats something your pal Cgan1 cant grasp.
Deltaforce
just like to say most ov my mates r gooners irons and spurs, no hard feelings been fun tottenham youth we go after chelsea they r the scum , the truth is u lot and us lot r in profit , but u need to buy english talent
J.COYS-TTID
When Berbatov went for 30 million at 27, Ibramovich for 40 million + Eto'o at 26, Ronaldo for 80 million, 40 million is nowhere good enough for 23 year old world beating Fabregas. Especially when Arsenal are in awesome health financially and have no need to sell.
Deltaforce
This saga has taught me that as much as I love Cesc, I want the club to be respected, its manager to be in charge. I'm happy we got that - at least for this summer, cos as Rocky said, this is too strong, too categorical a statement for anyone to go back on. Well played Arsene and Ivan!
GoonerLou
Delta, your eyes are better than mine, I can't read any of J.COYS' posts because they're gibberish. What is it with the spuddies who post on this blog? Almost all of them type incomprehensible gibberish. It's all text speak and poor English. It's the same on another Arsenal blog I lurk on that has suddenly been invaded by spuds (they were never there before but the Cesc and Theo stories have them now flocking to it). Nearly all of them are incapable of posting messages I can understand.
jaelle
cgan1 aint my mate but he has got a point but i do understand deltaforce u gotta get the max u can , but u need to let them know what u want but if it was city u gotta go all the way FUNNY OLD GAME!
J.COYS-TTID
i think this going to back fire a bit on u lot
J.COYS-TTID
jaelle- u old git
J.COYS-TTID
As the astute readers of this site have already pointed out J.Coys, Fabregas is not the type of person to wilfully underperform at Arsenal if the transfer to Barca does not take place. Players with a great competitive spirit compete. Fabregas is one of those players. Ronaldo wanted to go to Madrid even the year preceding the season he scored 42 goals for United in all competitions. Fabregas has a chance to fire us to a PL title before he leaves.
Deltaforce
come on listen to ur self
J.COYS-TTID
Well said Delta. Cesc is worth more than 40 million despite J.COYS insistence to the contrary. If you can sell that steaming turd Berbatov for 30 mil, I think we are well entitled to ask for much than 40 million for Cesc especially in todays market. It wont backfire on us because Cesc is young and yet to reach his prime and Cesc is a professional and will play at the same level this coming season as he did last season and his valuation will remain consistent if not increase. We will get top dollar for him and settle for nothing less.
True-Gooner-Blood
vital arsenal kicking arse @ licking balls sounds shady why is it all about ars with u lot
J.COYS-TTID
Britains got talent is on gotta go
J.COYS-TTID
Yeah do one J.Coys. BTW you should change the latter part of your name so it reads J.COYS.TIT
True-Gooner-Blood
'Britains got talent is on gotta go ' Sums it all up.....
TPowell
Lol TPowell. J.Coys sounds a lot like TRH. Same silly jokes.
Deltaforce
r was waiting 4 that u mugs
J.COYS-TTID
got u all talking
J.COYS-TTID
no, you didn't
TPowell
Rocky7, thanks for explaining the relevance of the pic in the Article; that question was to be my first line.

Well played, indeed, The Arsenal. That is telling those arrogant Barca fellows. What peeves me is why Spurs fans on this forum still think this is just an invitation to tender a higher bid for Cesc. Unless they can read but fail to comprehend what they have read, is the last sentence of the official statement not clear enough for them to understand? The Club will not enter into (or entertain) any discussion on the subject and expect Barcelona to respect their decision, as they have stated they would. What part of that is so difficult to understand, you thick Spuds?

As for Cesc, I feel this will let him know who really value(s) him and this whole saga has allowed all to show their hands, with Barca (really) looking like right jerks. Cesc will give us his best as usual, next season and time the Spuds learn to live with that.
Naijagunner
tpowell oh yes i did
J.COYS-TTID
even ian right is embarrissed for the club , i do believe we r all talking about the same thing - fabregas want to leave - u dont want 2 do buisness , barca do , its all about the price , ur club cant handle that
J.COYS-TTID
If you are responsible for getting us to start talking, then please explain the comments made before your first post... I will help you out, you can't. So don't bother.
TPowell
No one on this board gives a ***** what Ian Wright thinks J.COYS
True-Gooner-Blood
ian right right right........
iceman10
ians right
J.COYS-TTID
tpowell glad u checked out my first post thank so much
J.COYS-TTID
they've rejected a 29m offer - im pretty sure they come up with 45m and he's a barca player next season
Dan_83
It is all about the price. Barca can't pay it. We can handle that because Cesc has 5 years left on his contract. Barca can't handle that. The Arsenal statement is pretty unequivocal and really leaves no room for negotiation except in the extraordinary cirmcumstance that Barca are prepared to break the world transfer record.
Amos.
agree dan 83 , Amos how much then 200 m ?
J.COYS-TTID
Ian Wright has time and again tried to move away from his branding as a columnist fit only for the Sun and a commentator fit only for Talks*ite. He sadly cant because his thinking level is that of the lowest common denominator. Pity because he was a truly top drawer footballer.
Deltaforce
I think £200m would buy you anyone but Barca haven't got that kind of money. I doubt that with 5 years left on his contract that £45m would be enough to buy Cesc now. We could still get at least that for him next season. It's going to have to be a seriously big number to get him this summer. Beyond Barca's scope.
Amos.
fabregas will be over the moon
J.COYS-TTID
deltaforce harsh
J.COYS-TTID
What is it with you yids from VS, do you have some kind of schedule where you take shifts on who gets to troll the VA articles. J.COYS your predecessors did a lot better trolling on here than you are doing. You get B+ for mentioning lack of trophies, B- for posting over 10 times, and big fat F for spelling and grammar. Good effort but try harder next time.
gronedrone
What an eyesore reading Jcoytits ridiculous posts!
Sajit
Surprised anyone made any sense of his posts TBH. Incoherent tosh...
True-Gooner-Blood
I can't make sense of them, I scroll right past them.
jaelle
i will up my game speak soon its been fun
J.COYS-TTID
Great photo!
HuddersfieldYiddo
I hope you hang on to him. Lets be honest, i dont want to see you do well, but i ust cannot stand tapping up. When Fergie shafted us over Berbatov i felt sick and i cannot believe despite getting a ridiculous price, i cannot believe we didnt take them to court. Anyways Cesc is worth at very least £45m probably £60m. I wouldnt be worried about him leaving unless they flog a couple of players to City or Chelsea, rumour has it they are pretty skint with Stadium redevelopment and Zlatan and Chygrinski costing a bomb.
HuddersfieldYiddo
fabregas is tapping him self up ! arsen is so stubborn he probly wont sell fabregas and fabregas will not look at him as a father figure any more he will fill let down -if you over price him-" there will trouble ahead ", he has said one day he will leave to join - leave- my -b -arsealona ,and that day is now . 45 mill you wont get anymore, only from city and that aint gonna happen- barca aint in your trap - your in theres and you cant see it...... we will see who is right.....
J.COYS-TTID
Cesc will give a 100% no matter if he stays or goes, he's full of integrity and it wasn't that long ago he was celebrating a goal against Villa by kissing the Arsenal badge on his shirt infront of 60k+ fans. And for the record, Rocky, i think you may aswell just use that picture for all your articles ;)
FuiKaka
Barca-needa-loana!!!!!! Laughing my head off at that- good one!! Well done Arsenal. When a club such as Barca behaves like a knob they get treated like one. Bye bye. I am completely confident in Cesc's character that he will play with as much vigour and committment next season. He loves his football too much and he knows what he owes to Wenger and the club that loves him. Barca don't give a crap about him, only their own ego. That offer is an insult toFabregas, who is on his way to becoming the best midfielder in the world. 29 million wouldn't even get you James Milner by all accounts. That bid proves they aren't serious, only intent on causing unsettledness. Bog off you classless catalans!
julieloveshenry4ever
That statement is the footballing equivalent of "We don't negotiate with terrorists." So that's a big "Up yours" to Joan Laporta and his guerilla tactics.
julieloveshenry4ever
dont sell him i am sick of our leagues best players leaving, besides i want us to be better than you because we are rather than because you lost your best players. DONT SELL HIM.
jljyid
Julie, ditto to all your thoughts above and Amen to that girlfriend !
Cockney Rich
Despite everyone thinking that Fabregas won't be another Adebayor or a Spurs' Berbatov, the issue is he has already been disrespectful to your club either through his own comments, or those close to him (aka his old man) commenting on his behalf. I don't recall him coming out himself and saying No to Barcelona. Many previous clubs have made a refusal as adamant as your board only to discover a couple of months later, that a transfer has occured. Clearly the manager will need to look at the psychology of the player, especially if he's building a team around him. Fabregas will wonder if this may be the only chance he has of joining a club that's clearly in his heart or find himself usurped by youngsters coming through their academy and this again may impact on his attitude. Arsenal may conclude that with a suitable bid it might be better to cash in rather than have it drag on every single transfer window. It would be foolish for Fabregas to move because he will be a sub behind Busquets, Iniesta and Xavi in Barcelona's 4-3-3 but wisdom has never been a footballers friend.
kernowboy71
With 5 years left on his contract and at the age of 23 there is little reason for Cesc to see this as his last chance to join Barca whatever his current preferences are. There may even be a better time for him than now. There is no doubt that he promoted this situation but he also said that he was in no hurry to leave Arsenal. What he may discover is just how much Barca really want him presently. Arsenal can't lose here. If Barca come anywhere close to a transfer record we'll sell him now. If they don't we'll keep him for another season or two perhaps and still get more than Barca are offering at the moment. If Barca can't demonstrate to Cesc how much they want him then maybe his attitude towards them will change. If one thing is certain in all this it is that Wenger understands the psychology of the player very well.
Amos.
No KB - He has been completely respectful to the club. Wanting to leave does not make him disrespectful, he maintained silence for a very long time. He only spoke after having a very long chat with Wenger, after which he conceded a move was no longer up to him. This transfer saga is no longer about Cesc Fabregas, but about proving to Barcelona they can't just raid our camp when ever they want. They will get Cesc in the future, but only when they pay the price WE want, or after another 5 years when they can have him for free. This statement of intent is also protecting our future stars from this munch of muppets.
Rocky7
I'm not an Arsenal fan but i dont want to see Fabregas leave because that will be another world class player leaving the Premier League
me_innit
*bunch
Rocky7
Given that the manager and the player have spoken and the player's conclusion was that he left it in Wenger's hands happily, I would imagine Arsene told Cesc outright that we'd only sell at a ridiculous price. My speculative guess is that Arsene said, "We won't sell you unless they break the transfer record. If they don't do that, stay one more season, if we don't win the league or CL next season, we'll acquiesce to your wishes at a reasonable price." I find it hard to believe that Cesc would not have been aware of what our stance would be.
Little Dutch
Yid in peace! I've been impressed by your clubs stance on this, The "sod off Barca" attitude is exactly right! I'm appalled at the arrogance shown by Barca, all these stories in the media that they're "close to signing" him, before they'd even made an official approach to the club! To then follow that with such a derisory offer is disgusting! At 23 yrs old, with 5 years on his contract, Fibreglass shouldn't be moving for less than £50M min! Telling you they're simply "taking" your player, then refusing to pay the honest value is disgusting, can they not be reported for tapping him up? Spurs and The Arse are the only 2 decent teams in the Prem that qualify under the "financial fair play" regs that are coming in, would be such a shame if, beause of that (hence our wage structures), we continue to lose our best players to scum like Barca, Real and Manure! Hope you guys keep him! (and I hope to see Luka run rings around him net year!!) ;-)
The Horses Mouth
PS that title, next to that photo!!! wow, I'd do more than just one ;-)
The Horses Mouth
LOL THM. You will have to join the queue my friend.
Cockney Rich
Note to Rocky, us Gooner ladies would've preferred a pic of a few hot footballer's rear ends, thank you!!
julieloveshenry4ever
Well Rocky I find it disrespectful he can continue to allow his agent to keep on talking up the move - “I’m not sure how this will end, but I think they must respect the decision and will of the player" is a direct quote from his agent, his old man. I think the moment Guardiola comes out and says he wants Fabregas then the balance of this will shift. They have low balled Arsenal with their offer, but in my opinion, it is better for others if Arsenal keep Fabregas as I think if you sold him, you'd go and get Yoann Gourcuff from Bordeaux who is a superior player and still have money left over to sign Laurent Koscielny. You might lose a good player but you free up a place in the squad for a better one.
kernowboy71
The club has handled this very well. And it shows very clearly how the club deals with a situation when they dont want to let a player go. There has been a lot of criticism about dealings in the past (Henry, Hleb) when it was thought that player power over ruled the club's wishes, but its now clear that the club didnt mind selling those players. The last line put out by the club was particularly classy - dont bother coming back!!
prits
ewwww Julie, that's a disgusting suggestion!! Blatantly sexist I'm afraid! Showing womens bottoms is not, by the way, sexest. As we all know womens bums are best to look at, therefore this picture was chosen on ground of quality rather than anything else!!
The Horses Mouth
"Fibreglass"- that IS funny! Sorry, Cesc LOL
julieloveshenry4ever
By the looks of it these ones in the photo appear to be Spanish as well. Nice and appropriate (for this particular article!)
True-Gooner-Blood
Cesc's agent is Darren Dein, not his Dad. Cesc' conduct has been good (although I wish he didnt express his desire to leave Arsenal, I believe the way he went about it was good enough). Guardiola is probably the only respectable aspect about Barca, and his conduct in general is good, and I expect him to stay out of this.
prits
Barcelona director general Joan Oliver revealed on the club's official website: "Everybody knows that Cesc wants to sign for Barca and that we also want him to come here, but there is also a third party involved - Arsenal. Any agreement has to be with them.” The inference of this sentence is that Arsenal FC are being obstructive and stopping everybody getting what they want. We’re seemingly the bad guys here! I have grown to despise Barcelona over the last couple of months and this sort of comment is typical from them. Moreover, why after a meeting with Wenger did Cesc say "It was probably the greatest conversation I have had with someone in my life,"? If Arsenal have so quickly refuted Barca’s offer with no counter-offer and a statement that our captain is not for sale, surely that must have been conveyed to Cesc as the club’s position during this “wonderful” conversation. If Cesc wants to leave then his reaction is incongruous to say the least.
Sir Henry
Really bad timing that Cesc is away with his Spanish and Barca buddies too! Barca used to be seen as one of the "nice guys" of football (Unicef etc), but they're starting to sound like classless havs like Real or Citeh, they should either make a sensible offer (£50m min), or shut up and sod off!
The Horses Mouth
THM will you just bog off city's case ffs its getting boring. i'd be more interested in CL football of i were you
me_innit
They can post whatever they want on their horrible website. The fact is that we have the final say and right now that final say is '***** off and dont come back'. I am sure that Cesc was also told this during his heart to heart with AW and therefore will respect whatever stance the club chooses to take. If they want to portray us as the bad guy, let them because everybody knows who is really at fault with their shabby and pathetic tactics and insulting and derisory offers.
True-Gooner-Blood
"you'd go and get Yoann Gourcuff from Bordeaux who is a superior player" . Course he is, thats why Barcelona are going after him and the reason AC milan let him go because they had no place for him in their team. You do talk rubbish
paul_ownz
Even at a slight glance from last season Gourcuff produced a respectable 9 goals and 10 assists from 42 apperances playing in frances compared to Fabregas 19 goals and 19 assists in 36 apperances in the premiership.
paul_ownz
In my opinion, the only central midfielders in the world that are in Fabregas' class are at Barcelona already.
Little Dutch
LD you say that the probable outcome of the Cesc/Wenger conversation was that it would be left in Wenger’s hands happily. Having already expressed a desire to leave, why wasn’t Cesc more insistent on a move? He either isn’t particularly bothered about moving or he is simply towing the party line and saying the right things despite feeling despondent. Either way I’m confused. I’m beginning to think that this whole thing was Arsenal, Wenger and Cesc toying with Barcelona knowing that they were not in a position to buy Cesc this summer after their debt problems and the purchase of Villa. A derisory offer merely confirmed to Wenger and Cesc that Barca are not really too bothered with Cesc and that the player is no more than a sweetener for the electorate.
Sir Henry
My own feelings are Sir Henry that Arsene would have said something along the lines of; "Give it one more year, unless Barca break the world record for a transfer fee, and if we haven't won one of the big prizes next summer, we'll smooth your departure at a good price. This might be a similar situation to Ronaldo and Madrid. But that's just a guess.
Little Dutch
I quite like Sneijder too Little Dutch. Still not as good as Cesc in my oppinion, but i really enjoy watching him play, especially for Holland
paul_ownz
Over the next five years, Cesc will reach his potential, the very potential that we’ve all been waiting for. Just one more year of a player who is pivotal to the Arsenal team is not enough for me and what do we do after that? Wenger will need to phase Cesc out so that a new team can be blooded and that would have to happen during the coming season. I don’t think we would be very likely to win very much if we are enduring another season of transition.
Sir Henry
Football teams are always in transition. It's just a matter of how much transition you have to undergo at anyone time. One more season might still be too soon for Ramsey but there is every expectation that eventually he'll be part of closing the Cesc deficit. If Cesc goes this summer the response would have to be more immediate but the options are there if we can act quickly enough. The longer Barca try to play this the less likelihood of them closing a deal this summer for precisely that reason. Ideally we would want them to stump up £80m now but if they don't have that kind of money now they won't have it in 2 months time either - and apparently they still owe us around €16m from the Hleb/Henry transfers. The clubs statement is pretty unequivocal and seems to suggest that Barca have already blown the chance they had. That being the case I'm not uncertain that Barca aren't a little relieved themselves. There may be a better time for everyone for this deal even if it means Cesc having to wait a little longer. Anything could still happen but, if they can't find the money now, after their presidential elections perhaps, it might serve them, and everyone else concerned, well to announce that they don't see a possibility to pursue the deal this summer. Sadly there is precious little in Barca's actions so far to suggest they have the class to do that.
Amos.
KB71, some updates which you may or may not have read in the earlier posts. Darren Dein is the agent of Cesc. Francesc Fabregas Senior is not his agent. Secondly, Gourcuff is a great talent but is still not Cesc class at the moment. He may improve and become a french great but right now, Cesc is a superior player - better range of passing, better defensive awareness, more goals, more assists.
Deltaforce
"Note to Rocky, us Gooner ladies would've preferred a pic of a few hot footballer's rear ends, thank you!!" - you tell him sister! I've seen that same photo of those same butts so many times on this blog. Not complaining, I get it, it's mostly guys around here, you like lkg at women's butts, no prob. But once in awhile, ya know, a little nod to us goonerfemmes around here wouldn't go amiss.... :-)
jaelle
LD: "In my opinion, the only central midfielders in the world that are in Fabregas' class are at Barcelona already." - agreed, don't think there's any argument with that. I quite like Gourcuff, Robben, Sneijder, I think they're all wonderful talents. But anyone who says Gourcuff is superior to Cesc deserves little attention. For one thing, Cesc has a consistent world class quickness of mind and vision that Gourcuff has yet to show. And that's just for starters.
jaelle
Agreed. Gourcuff as good as he his is not better than Cesc. To be honest, in my opinion I dont think he will ever eclipse Cesc either as a player as the thing is both are a similar age so they will be expected to develop at a similar rate. However having said that, he is still a very fine player who is teetering on the line between being excellent and being world class. I truly beleive that if AW brings him in to plug the gap left by Cesc's departure, this could be the move that turns Gourcuff into a world class player.
True-Gooner-Blood
Sorry, hit submit accidently with a bit more to say. I agree Jaelle, his reading of the game is something which is not at the level of Cesc at the moment but I would imagine that a move to Arsenal could add several new dimensions to his game that are currently lacking at the moment.
True-Gooner-Blood
Im in 2 minds to whether Cesc should go. On one hand he is almost irreplacable and i would be upset to see him go but on the other hand if we were allowed to spend the full amount of his sale + any money we had set aside(70+mil) we could overall have a much better team. 2 CBS, keeper, Strong commanding midfielder in the essien mould along with chamakh and possibly j.cole. for instance. mmmmm
paul_ownz
OT : Rafa sacked. Get Reina!!
Sajit
Yes indeed. Almunia plus £5 mil for Reina. Whilst were there, enquire about Fernando Torres too :-)
True-Gooner-Blood
BREAKING NEWS ,i saw on the news a load of polish beating the hell out of arsenal supporters !!!!!!!!it`s true what they say ,,, they do get the best jobs
big cockeral
c`mon a little bit funny ,don`t be hating
big cockeral
as for barca, tell them we don't need they money
ogorose18
Will Cesc dig his heels in now that Arsenal have spoken?
SFC Forever
This will rumble on, the papers will stir it up even more, problem is Cesc came out and said in a interview on spanish television, he will be returning home and to Barcelona F.C, at the moment his thought's will be on the world cup with spain, problem is, his mixing with many Barcelona players and good friends, so What is going to happen next, once the world cup is over, he will return to Arsenal and put in a transfer request, this is not a dig at arsenal, because you are holding out, stopping this going through, must say; i don't blame you, he is a fantastic player, pure class, but you can see it coming. He has never said, i want to stay at Arsenal, but he has said, i want to return to Barcalona F.C..
spu 4 life
spur 4 life agree mate , Thing is ,this time Cesc wants out no matter what ,I see him falling out with arsen -then handing in a transfer request, then arsenal fans might wake up and smell the coffee , they seem to think Cesc will just get on with it ,get his head down and play,wishful thinking -I cant see it - What I can see is 40-45 mill max and he will be gone . ***** happens !!
J.COYS-TTID
Now you have to decide whether AW can pull some more rabbits out of the hat. He already has a war chest and with another large input he could possibly bring in 4 or 5 good players to set you up for a right old battle with the other two.
SFC Forever
One thing is for shore sfc forever ,he needs too-but will he ?I think this time arsen must know that he has got too spend big - but so far looks like 2 on a free if j cole is true -This will be arsens last season to do something -if not you lot will want him gone.as for fabregas being tapped up he has tapped him self up quote-i want to play for barca i want to leave arsenal sounds very clear
J.COYS-TTID
Glad to see Sp*ds are more worried Cesc leaving than gooners. Totally understandable considering he has royally kicked their arses on so many occasions.
Sajit
Oh my goodness, the spuds have taken over this forum as well?! Anyway, what d'you guys think about Joe Cole? You think Wenger's really interested and will he sign? Even if he does, will he be assured that starting spot??
JT_daniel
sajit why u lot always talking about arse sort it out
J.COYS-TTID
joe cole supported u lot as kid -so think he will sign 90k a week and he will be in the starting line up - imo
J.COYS-TTID
Sajit- it's not a case of who's worried and who's not, we are simply giving our opinions on the subject, as is the case with any forum, as for ''royally kicked their arses on so many occasions'' Cesc has done that to many teams, because he is a TOP PLAYER and PURE CLASS, as i mentioned before. What ever happens, we have all seen it before, they come, they go, it's all down to the individual concerned, nothing you, me, or the gate post can do about it, we carry on our daily life, REGARDLESS......I hope you do keep him, the premier league will be a better place with him, than without him
spu 4 life
Sorry, I've come to Vital Spuds by mistake.
Sir Henry
barca-leavemyarsealona !! so 50 mill price tag - what will happen next? u told them too ***** right off - ha ha ha ha - dont think so - over price fab "there will be trouble ahead"....... 40 mill and he is gone!!
J.COYS-TTID
Deltaforce, I have no hatred for anyone really but I just want to know where you get the words World Beater when mentioning Fabregas. Yes he is talented, but unlike the others you have mentioned he hasnt really set the world alight. I do admit that he is a player I would love at the lane but to be called a world beater is just ludicrous. Hope that was in plain enough English for you as you all seem rather astute when pointing out poster's spelling & worrying not a jot about your own. Have a good day.
ithastobespurfect
 

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