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Team News: Chelsea v. Arsenal

Arsenal Starting XI: Fabianski, Sagna, Koscienly, Squillaci, Clichy, Song, Diaby, Wilshere, Nasri, Arshavin, Chamkah

Arsenal Bench: Szczesny, Rosicky, Vela, Denilson, Djourou, Eboue, Emmanuel-Thomas

Chelsea Starting XI: Cech, Ivanovic, Terry, Alex, Cole, Mikel, Ramires, Essien, Malouda, Drogba, Anelka

Chelsea Bench: Turnbull, Ferreira, Zhirkov, Sturridge, Kakuta, Aanholt, McEachran




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The Journalist

Writer: Brice Coffer Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday October 3 2010

Time: 3:30PM

Your Comments

wot no blue names?
merlin
Thats probably the best team we can field at this time thanks to injury. I am surprised to see Diaby start ahead of Denilson though. Lets hope Diaby is switched on today because he can be a handful if he so decides. Massive massive game for Fabianski.
Deltaforce
Can't believe we continue to shun Rosicky for a start
Ozi Gooner
It's up there now Merlin!
gunnerkid107
Goodluck, undecided who i wont to win, Im thinking 2v3/1v3/2v2!
Blitz
Arsene probably going with Diaby for his physical presence. I have to say I would've gone with Rosicky. He may be smaller, but he's far more dynamic both offensively and defensively than Diaby, especially a Diaby who doesn't yet look sharp/fit. If Diaby's head isn't in this game before long it we'll be almost entirely relying on an 18 year old to feed our front 3, and Song will start going forward too much. It's a big risk in my opinion.
ArsenalRob
I'm nervous about this one. You guys have the quality to hurt us. I hope our defence is up for the task!
JT_daniel
Will be interesting to see if Young Jack can cause Chelsea some problems in that midfield. We are going to really need his tenacity in that midfield especially with Cesc missing. Agree that Rosicky should have started in a game with huge importance as we will need his experience. Just praying that Flappyhandski doesnt have any more wobblers especially in a game of this magnitude.
True-Gooner-Blood
Hope its a cracking game with lots of goals, just more in Arsenal's favour obviously! :-)
True-Gooner-Blood
Haha, I'd tend to disagree with that, T-G-B. :o)
JT_daniel
Very bright start.......
True-Gooner-Blood
All chelsea are doing is booting the ball long to drogba. Hoofing so early in the game.
Deltaforce
Agree with Rob. Would start Rosicky but I'm not surprised by the decision of using Diaby door his physical presence. But we really need him to make his physique count in this game. Nervy nervy game. Good start so far!
GoonerLou
I despise Didier *****in Drogba..
True-Gooner-Blood
All I wanted to see was this Arsenal side keep a clean sheet. They are simply incapable of this and have been for a long time and that's why we won't win anything.
Gooner_Vin
G_V this game is not the one pick to see a clean sheet. We are down to a second side playing chelsea's first side. A 1-1 draw will be highly creditable.
Deltaforce
Deltaforce - Man City managed it. Man Utd have managed in the past, as have Liverpool.
Gooner_Vin
I think if we can get to half time without conceding further, we can get back into this. We have created enough chances and opportunities to suggest so. If only Koscielny actually bothered to look at the *****in ball instead of turning his back on it when he had the header in the first few minutes, we might have scored by now.
True-Gooner-Blood
Sure G_V but Citeh got a 1-0 at home. surely home advantage counts. I see your point but what i found appalling is conceding 3 at home to west brom. Conceding one at chelsea away is not unusual for ANY team.
Deltaforce
You guys had most of the good chances, but Didier was the difference. Nobody will deny that was a brilliant finish!
JT_daniel
Yeah TGB that was a bad miss by Koscielny. We played fairly well in the first half but conceded on the break again. Nasri and Wilshere stood out for me. That was a tough goal to score in minimal space but drogba has this spell against us.
Deltaforce
Horrible challenges on Sagna and Diaby! Don't know about the intent but the replays looked awful to me. No card there...
GoonerLou
The sad thing is that we haven't really done anything wrong and we're still losing.
gunnerkid107
We'll probably be more defensive in the second half, so you won't have so much space to operate, I think. Nasri and Song had too much space throughout the game and Arshavin had a lot of space before Ivanovic decided to mark him. Didier just had that and the other chance before that the whole half, so Squillachi and that other guys is doing a damn fine job.
JT_daniel
Malouda's contact on Sagna was minimal. And Essien won the ball so cleanly that you couldn't see a better tackle. If you are carded for these, then the EPL would become the La Liga. Also, hardly any fouls were given to Chelsea when Flo Mo and Drogba were repeatedly fouled in the first half an hour.
JT_daniel
Sickening that once again that little ******** Cashley had a hand in the goal too. We can just never seem to keep Drogba quiet neither no matter how well our defence actually plays. Its really frustrating.
True-Gooner-Blood
There has been a player left with a broken leg every other weekend in this league. Maybe we need a switch to a La Liga style.
gunnerkid107
Diaby is lucky to not have his leg broken lou. wonder if he will be substituted in the second half as an early precaution. We have looked the home side more than Chlesea has but we have not been clinical enough. They will play primarily on the counter attack in the second half. Early on when our midfield was dominant, T*rry was just sending long balls to drogba. We can get back into this if we keep our intensity high and get our finishing in order.
Deltaforce
Essien's was a fine tackle, sure he got him on the ankle, but Diaby's ankle is made of glass and if you take tackles like that out just cos they happen against you you may aswell be playing netball. I don't like to use that argument cos it's the type of thing people say about Shawcross/Taylor tackles but in this case it's true.
Ozi Gooner
Sagna and Malouda having a little battle. Kind of ironic considering that there was a feature on them two before the game and they are good mates and really pally.
True-Gooner-Blood
Our main threat seems to be Chamakh and his heading ability in this match. Just have to create more crosses and chances for him and pretty confident he will get one on target.
True-Gooner-Blood
What the ***** was Squillaci playing at there??!!!
True-Gooner-Blood
Losing again. Absolutely crap season this is.
julieloveshenry4ever
Chin up Jules, at least we aint Liverpool, they are having an absolute *****ter of a season thus far. JET is on, what a game this would be to get his first EPL goal.
True-Gooner-Blood
Julie what's your magic line again? Say it! :)
GoonerLou
Jesus, what a piledriver...Game Over :-(
True-Gooner-Blood
Oh well, that's that then. Tippy tappy not working again against the top sides.
Gooner_Vin
lol, the Gunners r loosing again :)
the_blue_world
Chelsea's defence is too strong for our football to work against them. That is the harsh truth im afraid. Only problem is that we dont have a plan B either.
True-Gooner-Blood
This is why they are champions, and we're not. Season after season we're shown that there is something crucially wrong with this squad, yet we continue to follow the same path. I hate to be so negative, but it's all too obvious now.
gunnerkid107
The margin is so small. Gutted but the performance was good and we should take a lot of positives from it.
GoonerLou
Drogba strikes again!!! Tough luck, when will wenger learn that his youth will never topple the likes of utd and chelsea, the man is mad...Unless wenger leaves then arsnenal will never win the league, look behind you aswell because your rivals right on your back.
P.Avfc
We have had our chances in the game but no one was clinical. Cech had one great save from Arshavin which a lesser goalkeeper may have let in. Chamakh had a few free headers which he could have done better with and Kos should have scored with an open goal in front of him. Nasri left his shooting boots at home today.
Deltaforce
You can't begrudge the second goal. That was a screamer, one of the most powerful freekicks I've EVER seen!
JT_daniel
One rival we wont have to worry about is villa P.Avfc.
Deltaforce
Alex has scored an exact carbon copy of that goal against Liverpool if I'm not mistaken. P.avfc please feck off, alright. Your opinion is useless, we lost but we gave it a real go. Chelsea have billions to spend we don't. So feck off with your BS, Wenger is our man we don't want to become a club where the managers office has a revolving door.
gronedrone
P.Avfc true we lost at the Bridge today, but better losing 2-0 then getting thumped 7-1 hey?
True-Gooner-Blood
Damn .... that was a good performance aswell, we're just not as solid as Chelsea, as their fans sang, that's why they're champions. It's a shame there's a break now, because there wasn't much to be disheartened about with the performance, but it's the result we'll dwell on.
Rocky7
Surprised that Alex's free kick didnt rip the net or something. Just raw, brute power.
True-Gooner-Blood
No team in the premiership will perform that well at the bridge with the spine of their team ripped out (vermaelen, cesc, rvp).
Iceman10
Yes, it's the very same, gronedrone. Except, Carvalho was the man who created the space in the wall in the Liverpoo game. Not sure if Carvalho meant it, though- He looked plain scared and dropped to the ground.. But here, Malouda purposefully ran away right at the nick of the time.
JT_daniel
On the positive note our keeper situation looks a bit more comforting :) You can't deny that Chelsea are very good at what they're good at - and they had their matchwinner on the pitch. I thought we did well and though not well enough the depth of our squad looks pretty solid to be able to put up a good performance without our matchwinners on the pitch. Some think that should be Arshavin but it isn't really. Good though he is he isn't the real deal when it comes down to it. We've played worse and won and Chelsea will play better and lose. There's still plenty of the season left.
Amos.
Still, if we beat West Brom last week, at home, and we can 'afford' to lose this game. Chelsea will win this league because they have a great defence. We won't because we don't.
Gooner_Vin
Not surprised by the result. Just surprised by the fact that we look like we have improved since last season.
Sajit
Wilshire brilliant again. Song a clumsy oaf by comparison. Waiting for the same old excuses from Wenger.
Wyn Mills
Agree with GV, you can have the best attack in the world but it wont mean ***** if you dont have a great defence to go with it. Chelsea are the most well rounded team in the EPL which is why they are champions. They have a great attack complemented with a great defence.
True-Gooner-Blood
I don't think our defense was bad today - though not as good as Chelseas. I suppose we let Cole get away too easily but there wasn't anything we could have done about Drog's goal. It was a great finish but could just as easily have hit the post and come out. Maybe the wall could have stood stronger for the free kick but it was a great hit.
Amos.
Fabianski performed well today and looks set to keep the keepers spot for the next game as well. We lacked the cutting edge up front today with Chamakh being a bit too selfless for our own good. Arshavin ran at their defence today which was encouraging. Wish Nasri had run at them as well because he underestimates just how good he is going forward.
Deltaforce
BOOOM and arsenal roll over again...Same old story, Run now fabregas run!!!
P.Avfc
Yeah, props to Fabianski, did very well today. Just hope he can maintain this good form and show us why AW has so much faith in him.
True-Gooner-Blood
Wenger says we were 'rushed' in the final attack. What does he expect? We're playing in England, not on the continent where players have hours to dwell on the ball. Receiving players caught by Chelsea midfield and defence too many times to mention. Does Wenger learn? Nope. Does he watch what Man Ciy did to Chelsea? Nope.
Wyn Mills
I don't want to be to harsh on Fabianski although he did have a decent performance. He made horrible mistake early on in the match where he fisted the ball into a dangerous area and got lucky it didn't fall to a Chelsea player. The Anelka strike was a similar situation but that dipped at the last second and he did really well to parry. But for Alex goal he should have built a stronger wall, United conceded a similar goal from a Gerrard freekick and those shots should never be allowed to go through the wall.
gronedrone
BOOOM and Villa will finish outside the top 10 this season.
Deltaforce
That's the irritating thing about this result. NO ONE is surprised we lost. Hell, we were expecting it. That's how far our expectations have dropped.
Wyn Mills
Nice to be trolled by Villa fan for a change eh?
gronedrone
Funny to see a Villan doing a spud impression. They're usually a bit more savvy than that. The difference between us and Chelsea is really very small. You can admire their efficiency and strength but they had to play hoofball for an hour or more. You can claim that was just tactical astute but we didn't give them much choice other than to play that way. There'll come a time, maybe not too far away, when the percentages will fall in our favour.
Amos.
Come on Grone - You can't criticise Fabianski for that, he had the wall in place, he can't affect how it holds together, he actually did well to get anywhere near it. He played fairly well again today.
Rocky7
Yeah Wyn you are right we are entitled to win every game we play.
Deltaforce
P.Avfc, do you mean just like Milner and O'Neill ran?
True-Gooner-Blood
We've been lulled into a false sense of security by Song IMHO. This guy can hardly tackle. He never fails to give away free kicks often in dangerous areas, and his passing range is truly limited. I didn't think our defence was too bad, with the possible exception of Clichy. Where I think we still have a massive problem is a good committed holding midfielder.
Wyn Mills
DF, that's right. Shrug your shoulders and sing 'c'est la vie'. Bragging rights for the best team in London obviously mean nothing to you.
Wyn Mills
It also fills me with pride that in this current climate in football we can put on a lad from the academy off for another lad from the academy.
gronedrone
The difference between us and chelsea today was essien vs song, cole and ivanovic vs sagna from my opinion. Essien HOLDS chelsea together at the back, Song...I don't recognize his position anymore, if he's not playing CDM, why he should even play?? He was very good last season because he played CDM. Sigh.. I think Kos and Squillaci handled Drogba well today.
Malaysian_GunnerZ
Villa fan has some frigging nerve coming on here. You lot got beaten by that bunch of wet wipes down the road. Things are bad here but haven't got THAT bad yet. Third weekend in a row RUINED. Things are going from bad to worse. NOBODY has our ***** luck with injuries. No one! And stop deleting my posts! I'll insult fat smug chelski and villa fans if I like.
julieloveshenry4ever
Correction: "Cole vs Clichy" and....overall a good performance from Fabianski..keep it up!!
Malaysian_GunnerZ
I acknowledge Fabianski was decent, but if his early mistake had fallen to a Chelsea player I doubt we would be praising his performance. What I will say is that he looks a lot better at corners. I no longer chew my nails when we concede corners with him in goal.
gronedrone
You are right Wyn Mills, bragging rights are not the reason I support Arsenal. Thanks for making me realise my mistake.
Deltaforce
I'm not joking when i say this, but this result could be the end for Wenger, the straw that breaks the camel's back, as it were.
Tony Rocky Horror
I was just about to respond to TRH as I skimmed through the comments thinking it was written by Rocky not Tony Rocky. Its amazing what little credibility you have on here THR. If you were wrote a comment about what a great club Arsenal were. I would begin to doubt it out of instinct.
gronedrone
There are no fat smug Chelsea fans here, okay? And Amos, We kept playing hoofball for an hour, yes. But that was our gameplan. You like to run rings, triangles and squares endlessly with your passes, that's your gameplan. You lot obviously had a problem dealing with long balls, with Squllachi getting nervy, so we attacked there. You guys played very well, but lacked that killer touch. Rather than taking potshots at us, can we leave it at that?
JT_daniel
We will see when we play you...Your in the spuds shadow now! haha, I'll admit you are better than us though, but its funny how you think you can win the league when your *****e, least i can admit villa are crap, we have no high standards! BOOOOOM...We run o'neil out the club btw haha...Run fabregas runn!!!!!!!!!
P.Avfc
More a case of you grasping at straws TRH rather than any breaking anyone's back. It's still far too early in the season to draw any conclusions as to what might happen over the next 31 games.
Amos.
From what I saw, based on that last 10 minutes in the first half, we could've raised the tempo and moved a few gears any time we wanted to. So much for "giving them no choice".
JT_daniel
DF, You don't seem too fussed by the result. Perhaps it doesn't really matter as long as we're playing pretty football, eh?
Wyn Mills
"The difference between us and Chelsea is really very small." Sorry Amos, but I don't agree with that. You have great players, but their strengths aren't great enough to compensate their weaknesses. You need a new goalkeeper, a stronger defensive midfielder. The difference between Chelsea and Arsenal is big. Technically not so much, physically, a lot. Mentally, immense.
k.chelski
I don't think it was your plan JT though you clearly played to your strengths. I really don't think you had much choice on the day other than to play the way you did. I'm not taking anything away from you it was a sound and professional performance, and we didn't quite have enough class on the pitch to trump your defensive nous, but it did rely on the percentages falling your way.
Amos.
Agree with you on that, Amos. It's just 7 games played. No league is decided on 7 games, it's a marathon, not a sprint.
JT_daniel
TRH's views have nearly as much value as a broken condom.
Deltaforce
No Wyn Mills I am sad today but I am not the type who dreads getting grilled in front of his football watching friends after today's result. Maybe supporting the club mean two different things for both of us and I concede you are the greater fan.
Deltaforce
Yes your correct we have great players KC but they didn't play today, how can you come to your conclusion if they didn't play? The only times drogba didn't play against us we beat you.
Iceman10
JT_d they are just venting really, I'd probably do the same really.
ChelseaDC
The physical power of our side is increasing and will continue to increase. I'd concede that you're the stronger more efficient side at present but I don't think that you're going to get stronger as the season (and seasons) go on. It would be wrong not to have a fair amount of respect for the start Chelsea have made to this season and for the win today and they're quite rightly favourites to retain the title but I think it's going more of a scrap for it than a procession.
Amos.
TRH is a spuds supporter. Enuff said! And Amos- To each his own, I guess.. Our good record against you in the past few matches speaks for itself, though.
JT_daniel
They played in the other games and you still lost. Actually some players that didn't play before, played now, and you still lost. That was also the time when we had Scolari. Also the time when your first goal was an offside by miles. We lost 3-0 against Manchester United with Scolari as manager. Scolari's Chelsea is a different chelsea than all the others.
k.chelski
DF, I work with other Gooners so I have no 'dread' of getting grilled. Bragging rights means something different to me than to you obviously. Thing is, I say it the way I see it. Whether that makes me a better fan than you means diddly squat to me. This isn't a contest about who can be the better fan. I just believe as a fan one must be prepared to face weaknesses and talk about them.
Wyn Mills
"Scolari's Chelsea is a different chelsea than all the others." Your timeline of supporting Chelsea seems to have begun from Abramovich's time then k.chelski because we have seen some truly inferior chelsea teams in our time.
Deltaforce
I agree with you there Wyn Mills and you can see what I have to say about the game in some of my earlier comments. My view is not rose tinted but neither is it doom and gloom.
Deltaforce
Don't you think it should have increased a bit more already? Chelsea didn't get great all of the sudden. The other teams got worse as well. Including Arsenal. And I believe it is mostly down to determination and ambition. Ruthlessness and a more aggressive attitude. In my opinion, Arsenal should change manager. I hope you don't. But Gus Hiddink is available.
k.chelski
Win some, lose some. Absolutely right. But when you lose at least look at the WHYs and not the just the BUTs. That's Wenger's favourite trick these days.
Wyn Mills
The physical and mental differences are still visible but that's exactly our point - we're closing the gap well this season. We aren't there yet but we've seen some good signs of doing so.
GoonerLou
"Chelsea didn't get great all of a sudden." Congrats on the win today k.chelski but maybe a short history lesson wont go amiss.
Deltaforce
If we have to change manager we'd have to change the team. That would be 3 or 4 seasons trying to create something different. We're ok the way we are. The 'drought' is understandable in the context of the way the club is developed and if we keep investing in the team as we are able to then we'll get where we want to go with Wenger at the helm quicker than we would with Guus Hiddink or anyone else.
Amos.
Of course I'm talking about this era, Deltaforce, no need for asteism , Chelsea has been around for 105 years, we've had worse moments than with scolari.
k.chelski
DeltaForce- I have nothing more to talk about. Your behaving like a bitter spurs fan.
JT_daniel
Why can't you just be content with the fact that we are happy with our manager. We don't want him sacked, we appreciate him and give him our fullest support, why does that grind your gears so much?
gronedrone
Deltaforce, you're trying too hard to misinterpreter what I'm saying just to have a go. I'm not going to explain again, I know that you know what I was saying." Chelsea didn't get great all of a sudden." I'm referring the last season and this one. Manchester United is weaker, Arsenal is weaker than it was in Mourinho's era, the only team stronger is Manchester city. If you want to have a debate, that's fine, if you're just going to condescend and patronize my arguments, let's just stop.
k.chelski
That's what we though too, Amos, Hiddink and Ancelotti changed tactics but not the team. A quality manager works with what he has. But it seems you guys don't want to have this discussion, and I respect that, it's your team, not mine. I'm off, later guys. All the best.
k.chelski
I wasn't even talking to you JT_D but if you felt bad, i dont think i give a toss.
Deltaforce
k.chelski there is still a long way to go this season. Wenger is the best man for this job. with a bit of luck the result could have been different today. however the team played really well and though yu are still the team to beat, come May we will be there or thereabouts for sure..
luckys_10
Mourinho, Hiddink and Ancelotti had the team already. There wasn't anything to change. The tactics through all three managers haven't changed markedly it's essentially the same team playing the same way - except when Scolari tried to change things. What is clear is that over the next 5 years Arsenal will be able to run the club differently from the way they have had to for most of the last 5 years or so and Chelsea won't be able to run their club the same way as they have done over the last 5 years. Some dynasties last longer than others but they all come and go.
Amos.
No, in your bitterness, you misunderstood me again. I was referring to your conversation with K.Chelski. Didn't want to have a discussion with you when you are in such a hostile and bitter mood. Your not usually like this, so I won't get pulled into a mindless argument with you.
JT_daniel
Thats fine JT_daniel. Credit to Chelsea today who were clinical. Every team would want a striker like Drogba. Well played.
Deltaforce
you are digging a little too deep there KC. Drogba doesnt play against us you lose, its quite simple because he is fundamental to how you play against us. If we ever get to play you at full strength we can revisit this conversation, no doubt your squad is better though and you deserved the win today based on your solidity.
iceman10
Just gutted that the players will go off to play international games and Anelka will be scratching his toes and well rested. Ah well our Carlos will stay home too. Fingers cross about Jack going away with England. (Which England team anyway?) He's truly a rising star.
GoonerLou
Your kidding me right? Tactics haven't changed? We scored 103 freaking goal last season, we scored around 60 in the title winning seasons under Mourinho. Whoa Amos, what the hell? And Carlo is building his own team here, Ramires, Josh, PvA, Bruma are the building blocks of it. Hiddink installed the Dutch "Total football" philosophy in the team. If change in tactics only mean long ball to short passing or vice versa to you, then your probably right. But it's not that way!
JT_daniel
Iceman, you can speculate all you like. Adding a "If" and fantasizing isn't going to get you any points!
JT_daniel
It's not the same tactics Amos, it's not the same team.With Mourinho we had four centre-backs, our full-backs rarely went forward. Avram Grant changed that, and that was it, hoof the ball remained. Gus Hiddink Tightened the team up, we played completely compact with anelka floating around as playermaker/right winger.(You can see the difference by watching the footage of Chelsea 1 x Barcelona 1, when we were eliminated.) Scolari changed tactics several times, none of them work. Ancelotti's chelsea is also different, with the trident of malouda anelka and drogba. Before, Drogba and Anelka rarely played together. Chelsea has released several of our big names( and big checks). Did you see our bench? Academy players. We bought ramires for 20m. A player for the future. If you think you'll succeed in the long run, go for it. But in my opinion, a club of Arsenal's stature shouldn't
k.chelski
Shouldn't stay this long without a trophy. Fabregas did not step into Henry's shoes. You still miss his determination and ambition, I believe that's why Arsene signed Gallas, but it backfired. Is this debate interesting to you or just a pain in the ass?, I don't want to be burden.
k.chelski
Iceman, I would love to see Chelsea play at full strength versus Arsenal at full strength. Do you have a Football Manager Editor?
k.chelski
The only good thing about the interlull is that the players already injured from it won't be able to get injured again. Let's not overhype Jack, he is a special player but the vultures will be out to destroy his confidence as soon as he doesn't quite live up to the hype. We've been here before with Theo.
gronedrone
k.chelski your opinion is very flawed. Yoy completely ignore the fact that the playing field hasn't been even since the Russian injected steroids into CFC. We will never sack Wenger, wish you could say the same for Ancelotti dontcha?
gronedrone
Not fantasizing just debating with KC? Do you have anything relevant to add?
iceman10
DF, you're getting it all wrong. There used to be a time when we could be ocnfident of beating any time. All Wyn Mills and I are tyring to say is that the expectations and standards have fallen and we have come to terms with reality that we are nothing more than 3rd place team.
Sajit
Doesnt make us any lesser of supporters, though.
Sajit
Sajit, I never said or appaeared to be happy or content being beaten by Chelsea. That is something purely borne out of your vivid imagination. I believe that we need need a more direct playing style in the final third and more strength in defending as an entire unit. The difference between you and me is not that I expect any less from my team but that I tend to look at the positives while your spontaneous reactions on many posts and threads are stuff of legend. To each his own.
Deltaforce
I understand that you might think you see more KC but the tactical differences are subtle and don't really alter the playing style in any meaningful sense - to me as a mere observer anyway. Cole might have a little bit more freedom but you don't play with someone as attacking as Robben for example in front of him anymore which rather balances the effect. Good to see you using more talent that you're trying to nurture (not that you have any real choice now) but that will come at a price. Inevitably the physical power and strength you have now will be compromised to some extent. I don't have any fear for our ability to compete on a sustained basis for some time to come.
Amos.
Yea, keep looking at the positives. After all, we are well in course for Wenger's 3rd place trophy. --------------- “We have got out of the group stages in the Champions League for ten seasons in a row; that is three times more difficult than winning the League Cup five times. And finishing third in the League is more difficult than winning the League Cup.”
Sajit
"we have come to terms with reality [7 games into the season] that we are nothing more than 3rd place team." yeah - not like the good old days eh?
Amos.
Tbh, WBA is gonna hurt us more than this one.
Sajit
And you think Gus Hiddink would change everything upside down. It's not very relevant this discussion, to a non-arsenal fan anyway, I just think Arsenal would look much more menacing with Hiddink. The tactics have changed, maybe not the formation, but our approach has changed, maybe that's where you're at fault. Sometimes a 4-3-3 is just a 4-3-3., sometimes it isn't. In our case, it isn't. Chelsea is sorting itself out financially while still winning. But this is getting silly, soon you'll revert to the old "gets tired of his toy". I've been reading it for ages now....
k.chelski
You are the life of the party Sajit. Cheers.
Deltaforce
I expected to lose today so I didn't expect to be disappointed, but I am. And that's because I felt this game was different to the usual Chelsea letting us have the ball and not worrying about it. I defy anyone to tell me Chelsea were comfortable in the second half. I was in the ground, Chelsea's fans certainly weren't and we were pressing them and they couldn't get the ball for a long time. Unfortunately, Alex hits an unstoppable shot which ends the game and, unfortunately for us, our three most efficient players in the penalty area are all watching the game on telly today. There is certainly plenty to admire about Chelsea's efficiency, but no Chelsea player will be able to tell you they had an easy game today. I think you're a little harsh on Arshavin Amos, if there was one player going to do anything today it was him. I like to see him running at players because I think he is outstanding at it and he got at Ivanovic several times today- he lacked options though. Those navel gazing about this being some kind of apocalyptic scenario need to join the real world. If Wenger has the best part of a billion pounds to spend on his team since 2003, who wins today?
Little Dutch
Exactly LD. Ancelotti wins the title with Chelsea and all of a sudden he is a better manager then Wenger. Complete and utter *********. Other fans like to pretend they hate Wenger but there is no other man they would rather have managing their club.
gronedrone
Hiddink will need different players from those we have - it will take him time to recruit them. I can understand that you'd like to think nothing is changing KC. That the strengths you have now will be the strengths that will serve you well enough over the next 5 years. But things are having to change at your club. I am not prophesying the demise of CFC. Abramovich has put the club in a different place and that won't disappear over night but it is going to get much tougher over the next 5 years as you have to do things in a different way.
Amos.
And if you really want to emphasise how much of a difference a bottomless pit of cash makes, Chelsea's half time guest of honour today was 1995 Player of the Year Erland Johnsen. Gave us a bit of a chuckle in the Shed today, the two chants that stood out being, "He was here when you were *****!" and "You've never seen him before." The 2nd one was the best because the complete lack of reaction from the Chelsea fans said that we were pretty much on the nose.
Little Dutch
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/-when-you-have-the-chances-you-need-to-score- At the risk of taking an "I told you so" stance, those of you that questioned my assertion that our attack is letting us down lately more than the keeper or the defence, read the answer to the first four questions Wenger is asked.
Little Dutch
Arsenal enjoy the lion's share of the play, play lots of nice passes in nice triangles, and then they get blown away by Chelsea, who once again show far superior power, play and control. And Didier Drogba scores. Honestly, you couldn't have predicted that, could you?
Tony Rocky Horror
looks like we aint the only fans that leaves EARLY
123spurs
How can you be sure Hiddink would need different players? He managed Korea. Russia, lol. Sure, chelsea is changing, but we're welcoming this change, stability, and a fruitful academy. You want five years, fair enough. If, and that's a big if, in the next five years, the wenger project fails. What happens? Another cycle or change of manager?
k.chelski
There are a lot of positives in our performance today but ultimately we looked a bit toothless in attack. This is not surprising when you have Van Persie, Walcott and Fabregas all missing. I still feel confident our team is getting stronger and we can win something this season.
bowiecokemirror
It was a close game & you play some great stuff at times but be honest, they were always going to win today! Cech had hardly anything to do all game except watch some triangles been played infront of him, and watching Essien brush aside Alex Song.
HuddersfieldYiddo
bowiecokemirror you had the finest centre-forward in the French league last year, the most gifted Russian player of his generation along side him, and you failed to score. LOL!!
Tony Rocky Horror
Also i know every team has cheats & divers over the years (we've had some shockers in our time) but Chamakh looks something else
HuddersfieldYiddo
i see little dutch is still bitter as feck..get your sums right mate we havnt spent a billion on the team,beef up the figures mate why dont ya!!!?? wengers had money and spent decent money in the past, man utd had bought the league for years when no one else could. Play your little triangles all you like against us, our defense was awesome, and nothing long ball about our first goal. Men against boys??? Men against girls more like.The game should have been wrapped up but earlier than it was. Oh and deflect your defeat by making remarks about Erland Johnson is clutching at straws. Arsenal fans with a sense of humour?? Nah. never gonna happen. Carefree
springy
Still hearing IFs and BUTs from Wenger apologists. If only we'd had Fabregas. If only Abramovich hadn't spent so much money on Chelsea. BUT Chelsea are only efficient while we are damn pretty to watch. BUT we'll be great in the future while Chelsea and City will implode under the weight of their bank balances. Thing is, none of us know what will happen in the future and that's why its a good idea to live in the present. I prefer to comment on what I saw on the pitch this afternoon. Good committed grafting from someone like Wilshere , lazy careless ineptitude from Song and Clichy.
Wyn Mills
Fair enough Wyn - you call it as you see it. But just because others see it differently it doesn't make them apologists for anyone. Bottom line is we lost and that gives all the Chavs, Spuds and gooner malcontents all they need to crow. But there's still a long way to go - and other seasons to follow after this.
Amos.
Don't worry Amos. I'm far from suicidal. Nor am I some malcontent calling for Wenger's head. I would however like him to address some of the more obvious weaknesses - like a lack of cutting edge where it matters, an inability of many of our highly vaunted players to swing in a decent corner, and the feebleness of our defending of wide attacking teams. There is an inate lack of robustness about our lot that is growing more tangible season by season. I could put it down to the lack of British players but that would be far too simplistic. Yes, there are other seasons to follow...but if nothing is learned it'll be more of the same.
Wyn Mills
We haven't taken all the chances our play has created but the squad we have put out is a good one even shorn of our more potent finishers. There's reason to feel we'll make a better fist of that as the season goes on. As for corners I don't think the chavs were any better than us today. We look a bit more threatening from them than we have in the past. You're right - it is far too simplistic to claim that we didn't beat Chelsea today because we didn't have enough British players - and quite foolishly wrong too. I don't think we were out muscled in this game - or any other game so far this season either.
Amos.
Chamakh is not the answer for your worries up front. His reaction time is abyssmal and is terrible if the ball is not in the air. Sell RVP at the first opportunity - he will never play anywhere near a full season in this league. A A large talent but will never be healthy. Who likes an Anelka for Nasri swap, straight up? Anyone?
Drogstark
Brilliant. Arsene's new benchmark for success is giving Chelsea players cramps. "You could see that Chelsea finished with cramps because they had to run a lot, so I give credit to my team."
Sajit
Not me, Drogstark. No thanks. No way. And while you've been open about your lack of serious allegiance to Chelsea, I never would've pegged you as someone who doesn't appreciate what Anelka does--if not for the team, at least for Drogba. Anelka's creativity frequently complicates Drogba's genius at being direct and powerful.
RadioactiveD
Surprising how we always get slated for our spending when United, Real Madrid, Barcelona have spent their way to success. Oh wait, is it because we're still relative newcomers? You probably wouldn't know how stupid your argument sounds.
JT_daniel
It isn't because you're 'relative newcomers'. Atleast for me it isn't. It's because you were handed a pile of cash out of the blue, whilst a club like United had to earn their pile of cash. Barcelona and Real Madrid aren't any better than your lot though.
ptv-
Captured in a nutshell ptv. Some clubs earn it because of a large stadium, TV rights, stadium, shirt and kit sponsorships whereas others win the lotto. Its easier to respect the teams that have generated their own money.
Deltaforce
I'd just love to play Chelsea, ManU, or Man City with Cesc & RVP on the pitch ...just fkn ONCE.
FuiKaka
Drogstark, if Chamakh had put away two of the headers that came his way and that was hardly beyond him, you would be calling him the missing puzzle in our front three. One game doesn't tell us anything. No thanks you can keep Anelka as we know all about him and Nasri belongs to us
Deltaforce
springy, if you could read, you'd see I said "the best part of a billion pounds", which, in terms you might understand, means anything over £500m. I don't think bringing up the Erland Johnsen thing shows any bitterness, it was just funny, most of your lot clearly had no clue who he was. No bitterness here, you won because you took your chances much better than we did, which was what I suspected would happen. You'll probably win the league and deserve tyo like you did last year, but I will always look at your club with the same fondness as an athlete that is allowed to take steroids.
Little Dutch
Oh and if we're talking sense of humour, your stadium announcer announced the Liverpool result and then encouraged the home support to cheer when he said, "AND Torres got injured." I can see Stamford Bridge is the true keeper of the sense of humour crown, hilarious, just hilarious.
Little Dutch
Haha keep moaning
Rip The Reds Apart
We huffed, we puffed biut i dont think we ever put Chelsea in real danger. They know how to play us and with Drogba, they know they have a striker who will take the half-chance that comes his way. On this evidence, we are still not strong enough to compete with these guys. Chelsea defends properly, thats what they do best so we know what we are up against: our attack needs to be sharper.
Gael-Force
littledutch..."but I will always look on your club with the fondness as an athlete that is allowed to take steroids"....and your NOT bitter?? if Arsene had the best part of a billion ??? and your not bitter??..In my book the best part of a billion would be £900 mill. £500 mill is £500mill short of a billion, no where near the best part of a billion. A very exaggerated view you have! And if you view of my club is what you feel than fine..I'm more than happy with the fact that you are apparently are bitter and we are still p***ing you off.. Oh we hav'nt been frugal in the transfer market but if you take off who we have sold your "best part of a billion" quote is even sadder!! Stop sucking lemons mate!!!Carefree
springy
Well, leaving aside the fact that, mathematically, 500m is the best part of a billion without the need for any further explanation, however you choose to take it (incorrectly as it turns out) is irrelevant really. But I'm not just talking trnafer fees (of which you have paid more than £500m during Roman's reign), throw the wages you've tossed at people too and I think you're very close to a billion. But like the Murphy's, I'm not bitter. Arsenal's short term prospects suggest we'll keep competing- as do Chelsea's. Our long term prospects sugest we'll keep competing too- as we have for the best part of the last 80 years. You may take my comments as bitterness, I just call them the truth and we both know that. Chelsea are where they are because of the artificial cash injection, call it bitterness if you like, but we both know it's the truth, however you dress it up.
Little Dutch
littledutch.. your ungracious rants matches your managers. No one likes to lose but spouting age old prejudices? We are not spending like we used to. Man utd have been spending large for years..when not many others could because of their fan base, attendances etc You had to relocate to do exactly this. And if an when you lose your debt and have loads of money you will spend. Lets not make out all your 60,000 fans at the emirates remember past arsenal players, what so every gooner knows the history of 20/30 years ago?? a lot of your fanbase comes from your "recent" sucess. You know it and I know it..older glory hunters definately..
springy
Again, it's a statement of fact, not an ungracious rant no matter how fervently you try to bill it that way. You have unwittingly highlighted what I am talking about. United and Arsenal built themselves up from the ground with good business planning, serviceable, sustainable debt. When incurred for us to build a new stadium we planned for it and didn't spend as much on transfers, wages etc. It's the same as taking on a mortgage- a mortgage is a debt but one alters one's spending to manage that debt. United spent the money they earned, off the back of the success they produced through their academy. For Chelsea, a billionaire just turned up and gave you the money. Is it really that hard to see the difference? Which member of society would you respect more, a man who worked 15 hour days for years to build a successful business, or a lottery winner? It's not a prejudice as such, save for the fact that I can't and won't respect Chelsea's model for getting success. It's that simple, however old that "prejudice" is, it doesn't mean it has to change.
Little Dutch
"If Wenger has the best part of a billion pounds to spend on his team since 2003, who wins today?" - same team, Chelsea. AW wouldn't spend a billion pounds or a hundred million. He won't. I'm very tired of using the "we don't have as much money as you" excuse. Yeah, Chelsea owe their recent success ENTIRELY to Abramovich's billions, so what? The issue is AW's inability to build a post-Invincibles team with the edge, the power, the efficiency to score goals and defend properly -- end of. Five years since our last trophy, several players arrived and gone. And in all that time we've seen some great football, great players, a consistent place in the top 4 with few resources and the financial burden of a new stadium -- well done. But in that time on the football pitch all we've seen every single season is the inability to overcome consistent weaknesses in defense and attack, and a consistent pattern of collapse. And a consistent pattern of injuries that seriously damage our hunt for trophies. Fact is we have only a handful of genuine winners on our team--RVP, Cesc, Vermaelen. When they're out injured, the team has no winning mentality. I expected to lose today, all I asked was that we put in a good performance (which we did) and that we don't lose by more than a 2-0 scoreline. So I'm not hysterical or suicidal. But that's all I can ask for now, I can't expect anything more when we play v. Chelsea. Everton, Spurs, City can beat Chelsea, we can't ever seem to (unless Drogba's not playing & they have a crap manager). It doesn't matter how much money AW has to spend, he wouldn't spend it anyway, and even if he did, he's lost the ability to build a team that's ruthless, physical, strong, disciplined and clinical. And that's not prone to constant injuries. And I don't see that changing--it hasn't changed in 5 yrs. Every season we see the same thing, it never ever changes. It's like clockwork. Everyone can predict it. We supposedly "improved" last season - conceding more goals than the previous season. Congrats to Chelsea, well-earned, well-deserved. Yes, their billions helped them get where they are, but their managers and players (apart from Felipao) have what our players and manager don't -- bottle & a winning mentality.
jaelle
It's a lot easier to acquire "bottle and a winning mentality" when you can keep buying players that are 27+ for huge fees. It's something you're beginning to see us do now- Arshavin, Squillaci etc- due to improved finance. But in reality, whilst you highlight the difference between us and Chelsea succinctly enough jalle, putting bottle and a winning mentality into teams is not easy, but a bottomless pit of cash makes it easier. I suppose it's pure speculation as to what AW would do with the best part of a billion, but given the fact that our improved finances and reduced debt at the club has correlated directly with buying older players at bigger prices, I would suggest you do the manager a disservice. You talk about the only players with "winning mentality", I would suggest most teams don't have more than four or five such players themselves. At Chelsea, Drogba, Terry, Lampard, Essien have it (coincidentally, those players play in the same positions the "winners" you name in our side do) but would players, good though they are, such as Mikel, Ivanovic, Anelka, really have "winning mentality" or are they very good players whose qualities are brought out by playing around exceptional players that are winners? United have lost Giggs and Scholes in recent weeks, Rooney is off form and they look far from a team of "winners" to me at the moment. Chelsea are a better side than us, no doubt. But the temptation to say every one of their players is a winner and all of ours are losers and that they spend loadsa money and we wouldn't even if we had it, is a tad simplistic I think.
Little Dutch
Most of this talk of lack of bottle, winning mentality or 'not enough British players' as one poster claimed in trying to make the same point, is absolute hogwash. I didn't see any lack of spirit, bottle or endeavour yesterday - I haven't seen it that often at all over recent seasons. As for the financial argument it is a bit foolish to claim finance has nothing to do with Wenger not being able to build a team able to attack and defend properly when the only other teams able to do so better than us over recent seasons are Chelsea and ManU who have had far more financial muscle with which to do so. It's no coincidence. Is it really so hard for anyone to see the relationship between those factors? Wenger has managed Arsenal in the only sensible way he could to take the club from where they were to where they needed to go. Give him another club with other needs and other resources and he would go about the job in a different way. It's plain wrong to say that he's simply pursuing an ideological obsession and is incapable of adapting to different needs and different cirucmstances. Give him a billion pounds with another set of objectives and if the best thing to do with it is to spend it then he'll spend it.
Amos.
Well argued views Jaelle and LD. AW's transfer policy did see a huge change post the stadium move. From 1997 - 2003 we recorded a transfer policy of buying undervalued/ underutilised high quality developed players like Overmars, Petit, Vieira, Henry, Wiltord, Pires, Ljungberg etc. They were all well known and respected players already when they came to us but they achieved their career best performances under us because of a combination of a change in playing position or superior coaching and managing. I dont think it was an accident that AW changed course Jaelle. He had no choice but to change. Lets look at his recent transfers though - Chamakh (25 years), Koscielny (25), Squaillaci (30), Vermaelen (24) they are all much older than his transfers even 2-3 years back like Nasri (then 20), Ramsey (then 19), Denilson (then 19). Today, there is a definite trend of going for older players like we used to before and I dont think thats a coincidence either. Our spine of the team needs strengthening and I do think we will see more experience injected now, not less.
Deltaforce
Very interesting views on the forum Yesterday/today; just the thing to vent, after the defeat. Unlike the sound of most posters way above, I reasonably expected Arsenal to win this game. Why? For the exact same reasons DF has posted above: the changing focus of AW's transfers in recent times, going for slightly older heads, like he did until sometime around 2004. I couldn't watch the game as I was on a flight back home, at the time, but from what i hear/read, quite honestly, the only thing we missed in that game was to have the creativity of Cesc and the mentality of RvP and this will have ended differently; and that is not overlooking the efforts of the team we put out. Any doubts about that, given the team's territorial dominance?

I, however, share the views of some of our gooner fans who feel enraged at this apparent failure to deal with the known threats of the big sides and end the hoodoo, once and for all. For me, if we could have made a job of preventing Drogba from finding the net, his frustrations will affect the whole team and they will be there for the taking. I feel we MUST ensure victory when next the sides meet -and this is possible with calm heads, given our usual dominance-otherwise, this will become a source of further frustration for everyone, including AW.
Naijagunner
Littledutch i know I highlighted ,it was'nt unwittingly but you chose to see things your way and wrong again,.unusual anomaly you chose with building a business and lottery winner. My view is I admire the guy who has grafted his whole life and made ends meet and then wins the lottery. What you get with people who build up a business is a flashness and arrogance...ring any bells???? utd got lucky with their youngsters, giggs beckham etc all came together. Your still waiting to get THAT lucky and failing year in year out. How many times are we hearing about your kids and what they were going to do. Keep believing littledutch that you meet us on the way down. Wenger said at your AGM that he would win something last year....got that wrong as well did'nt he. His stamp is all through your club so its harder for you to get rid. But if you win nothing again, I'll be all ears..carefree
springy
Far too defensive springy. Others might wonder why you're so sensitive to such observations. It's not as though they are unique - or wrong either.
Amos.
Hmmm, Chelsea weren't exactly making ends meet when Roman came along with Siberia's defecit in his back pocket. All dynasties fluctuate, Chelsea haven't been in this position in your lifetime so it stands to reason that you think your pot of gold at the end of the rainbow will last forever. I won't shatter that illusion for you, it'll be much more fun when you find out for yourself.
Little Dutch
not really amos.we have the old critiscism of Chelsea, the money. johnny come latelys and stuff, when we beat you these come out. just answering the critics. Now I'm not up on Asenal's shareholders Littledutch, but is'nt there some big hitters owning a few...wonder if they are whiter than white, maybe as you know so much about Abramovich's money you'll fill me in on how they got theirs..is there a russian billionaire in there somewhere.?..please tell and in a truthful manner..I honestly dont follow who owns what only that my mates missus owns 2
springy
You've taken a lot of words to say precisely nothing there bouncy. None of our shareholders have put any money into the club. It's all self generated. You really are sensitive to those observations of financial doping aren't you! I'm sure you'll have enjoyed it while it has lasted. Hopefully you'll find a way to adapt and continue with some success in the future. It's bound to be a bit tougher though.
Amos.
springy, to summarise - shareholders need not put money into the club IF the business of the club is profitable. We are profitable so the shareholders are in fact due a DIVIDEND from the club but they have not been paid one - ever. Hope thats clear. You on the other hand have a benefactor owner who has funded your club to the tune of 700 million pounds. He has invested in buying the club from Bates - 140 m, paying the debts, spending 300 million on players, investing on a worldwide scouting network, massive wages over 7 years, firing managers and their severance pay - 35 million, Adrian mutu disaster - 14 million and whole lot of other small bills like player bonuses over and above their wages. Chelsea is without a doubt the strongest team in the country today. Having said that, it is because of massive massive financial doping.
Deltaforce
deltaforce RA has converted his financial input into shares,so we have one shareholder, Abramovich. He wont get a dividend coz we dont make a profit. How much did David Dein make from his beloved Arsenal??? didnt need a dividend did he???
springy
springy, with respect you either dont seem to have a working knowledge of finance or you are ignoring anything you see but dont like. It doesn't matter if RA converted his investment into shares. What matters is that he has in effect WRITTEN OFF a massive cash injection into Chelsea. Hope its crystal clear now though I suspect that however much one summarises the issue, you will pretend to not understand.
Deltaforce
The thing is with Chelsea fans is that they've never seen success earned before, so it stands to reason they don't know how it works in the real world. You know when you see a little boy in the toyshop point crudely at something on the shelf and say, "I want that! Now!" And you see Mummy dutifully pick it up and buy it for him. You think, "That child is not going to grow up to be a well adjusted individual." Yet you see a child point at something in a toy shop and his parents carefully explain to him, "Now son, if you work hard, keep mowing the lawn and tidying your bedroom and then save your pocket money, you can have it." That child will grow up with a developed sense of responsibility and will understand how to earn reward, rather than having it provided for you. S'all in the upbringing see.
Little Dutch
deltaforce yes I know all that. In my book he has'nt written it off that massive cash injection is now what he's paid for the club, His massive cash injection were non interest loans to Chelsea Football. These loans have been converted to shares in which he is the sole shareholder. If he were to sell he would sell at a loss granted but all very tidy the club has no debt at the moment.Its how you percieve it.I look at it my way you look at it yours!!
springy
 

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