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Team News: Ipswich v. Arsenal

Arsenal XI: Szczesny Eboué, Djourou, Koscielny, Gibbs, Denílson, Wilshere, Walcott, Fabregas, Arshavin, Bendtner

Arsenal Bench: Vela, Ramsey, Song, Chamakh, Eastmond, Miquel, Shea

Ipswich XI: Fulop, O'Dea, McAuley, Delaney, Kennedy, Edwards, Norris, Healy, Peters, Priskin, Wickham

Ipswich Bench: Lee-Barrett, Smith, Eastman, Civelli, Lambe, Murray, Hourihane




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The Journalist

Writer: Brice Coffer Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday January 12 2011

Time: 7:22PM

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Eboue is slowly but surely undoing all his hard work he put in to win the Arsenal fans over. It's dire performance after dire performance. Ipswich are doing ok, but one of our strengths is to pass the life out of teams, Ipswich will be *****ed by the end of this game. We'll win 3-0 I reckon.
Rocky7
Er did Eboue run into his man and got that free kick..?
GoonerLou
Ok, now we're getting battered by Ipswich. WTF?
Rocky7
Time for the Coach of the Decade to start barking at half-time..
GoonerLou
We are a bit flat at the moment. Not worried though they are playing in first gear with the handbrake on. We just need to up the tempo a bit but most important is no injuries.
Armory
I am so fed up with Eboue. If he isn't rolling around in mock agony he's running around like a flaming headless chicken. The guy is so bad its unbelievable. He's making Connor Wickham look world class. Ditto our attack. Ipswich now appear have the best defence in the world after shipping 7 in their last game. Our inability to muster more than a feeble 3 attempts on goal is just unacceptable. Just what is the point of Bendtner? He frightens no-one. And Arshavin seems to have sent along his useless double again. You can visibly see Ipswich growing in confidence. We are that impotent.
Wyn Mills
Get ur semi on? Viagra required after that half.
Iceman10
Yeah I'm not worried either, the players need a shouting at though, step it up before they score and the crowd gets up anymore. One of their best defenders has been their striker, they will tire very soon.
Rocky7
Well, we'll need to get going soon otherwise, Ipswich grow in confidence and start fancying their chances. I won't criticise any particular player but you feel Eboue can dobetter; also, the full backs need to join the attack more to spread the play. We hardly have any penetration and that, against a team that just shipped in 7 few days ago. We need some fear factor.
Naijagunner
...but, who do we call upon? They seem to be on the field already.
Naijagunner
Who's the guy warming up? Did you see that?
GoonerLou
Didn't see that, GoonerLou. Think we need to cut out these intricate touches when inside their 18 yard area. Not even a pot shot at goal!
Naijagunner
Is it freezing there and are they like me just not able to function out in the cold?
GoonerLou
Heavens above! Why oh why is Fab not having a go at goal? He''s clean through and decides to pass it back????
Wyn Mills
They are growing in confidence. We have a knack for making hard work of otherwise 'easy' opposition.
Naijagunner
Should be 1-0 to Ipswich. Wenger surely cannot be happy with this? We look like we're out on the training ground.
Wyn Mills
Who's the ******** premier league team here? Shocking.
Rocky7
This is what I feared when I saw the lineup - I hoped it's worth it but now we've played Cesc and Theo without the reward yet. Come on you guys! Please get a goal please!!
GoonerLou
Oh dear why's it Song who's getting ready to come on...? Are our defensive players physically okay?? Scaryyy
GoonerLou
Er okay Song with Den now, sigh. Or is Song going to do the Jack work now..??
GoonerLou
Arshavin tracked back and defended. Lol!
Naijagunner
0-0 isn't a bad result at all but this performance... -_-
GoonerLou
We should be beating teams like this; what with our quality. There's no excuse for this display. Eboue has got to take a long hard look at himself after this. To think he is our only back-up for Sagna.
Naijagunner
I'd almost feel bad for Ipswich if we scored.
Rocky7
Now I've got a semi on......
Tony Rocky Horror
christ.....
nakcuh
F***ing embarassment.
Rocky7
Justice indeed. Ipswich have played well and deserve a goal.
GoonerLou
Well,there you go....its Ipswich 1-0. Offside, as it is, we have been asking for it for a while now.
Naijagunner
Lol - quite literally the only funny thing you've ever said TRH.
Rocky7
Haven't read LD's piece about our improvement. Just wondering if he mentioned anything about the strength in depth..?
GoonerLou
No cutting edge in our play and this can affect the team's momentum in a crucial period of the season.
Naijagunner
I'm glad its over 2 legs,i think the players are all too aware of that too
ajwb
The improvement he talks about is about injuries .... no such improvement in the disgraceful amount of complacency continually shown by this team. F**king slackers.
Rocky7
Are we watching the Leeds game re-run on TV or what?!
GoonerLou
Has Chamakh just matched what Bendtner did in 63 mins by forcing a save?
GoonerLou
I know Wenger is trying to bring in another defender but looking back on the last few matches that forwards look completely off form.Maybe its the amount of games over christmas and the new year,still worrying.
ajwb
Lou I think he just matched his career....
nakcuh
Good on Wojciech. Really like this kid who's not afraid to bark at his senior teammates like that.
GoonerLou
lol what a joke
nakcuh
What was that???
Naijagunner
You know what, thinking over 2 legs, I don't even have the 90th minute nerve willing the team to score a goal. That's how tired I am of watching this. I can imagine how much more of that kind of 5h!te mentality is getting to the players.
GoonerLou
You have to say there's only one word to explain that performance and result: complacency. The "we can just turn up and play our stuff and we'll win" mentality. Players like Arshavin and Bendtner continuing to disappoint in the sorts of games they're meant to deliver - against lesser option FFS! Eboue is just a waste of a squad place and not deserving of the contract he recently got.
Gooner_Vin
nakcuh, not fair on Bendtner; I'll stay with Lou's "63 mins".
Naijagunner
Abysmal. Utterly abysmal. We lost that match in the first half. Everyone saying Ipswich would get tired obviously hadn't counted on us giving them the belief they could score. We really know how to make things difficult for ourselves. Remember this is a team that have lost their previous 8 and were hammered by 7 in their last match.
Wyn Mills
And make no mistake about it. Ipswich are a poor side.
Wyn Mills
AAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!...That's all I can say...Come on you Gunners!!! Don't you want a "Trophy"???
Malaysian_GunnerZ
well...........what will his excuse be now? The moon was in the wrong house? Pitch was awful? The goat entrails he used to read what the team sheet should look like were off? ;) Well if they don't turn them over at the Grove then the jury is stil out on this team. I know people say that Eboue was awful and AA useless but it runs much deeper than that and Cesc was not much better than our worst players. No drive mislaid pass after pass and failed to lead the team and that is imo because he is to far up the field. He has not the time to pick the incisive pass that will kill a team as he is surrounded by players as soon as the ball reaches him and all the angles are closed.
Armory
Laughably rubbish. Weren't many that played even passably well. Cesc played as though he was the guest at a lunch time kickabout over the rec. Dare I say Denilson was our best midfielder tonight? Only he Walcott, Djourou and Koscielny might escape criticism. More than one creative player in the return I'd hope.
Amos.
Only Liverpool are worse than us, seriously.
GoonerLou
All they had to do was get 10 behind the ball and then knock it over the top, hardly genius and quite frankly worrying.
nakcuh
A part from that Ipswich were actually quite good.
Armory
I have been an Arsenal fan for 22 years and I honestly can't remember a more shameful performance than that. I don't care if it is over two legs, that was utterly disgraceful. Even with the incentive of a final at stake, many of Ipswich's main players out and a strong starting line up which is more than capable of finishing the tie tonight, they looked totally uninterested and showed no guts or passion whatsoever. The fans who travelled there tonight deserve their money back. And it's about time Wenger put his foot down and showed some of these players the door who get chance after chance to prove themselves and constantly fail to show any drive or ambition.
gunnerpig
Many more directionless performances like today and we won't have to worry about Barca tapping up Cesc in the summer. And I dread the prospect of Eboue playing right back in the first leg against Barca. Maybe the Arshavin sickness is infecting the whole team . . .
elbondo
One thing I still don't understand...Why Wenger start Bendtner over Chamakh is beyond me...All the hard work and goals he gave us in the opening of the season and now Bendtner is healthy he's being thrown to 3rd choice? Its hard to find a reason why...Its like he joined Arsenal as the 3rd striker...
Malaysian_GunnerZ
The boss took the game so seriously by playing such a strong XI and the players didn't. How dared they?! I feel for the travelling Gooners frozen out there probably feeling colder in the heart. I'm having a cold, staying up late till like 6am for them and am bitterly disappointed. I can't imagine how they're feeling on their way home. So irresponsible and shameful of the players.
GoonerLou
M_GZ Chamakh was overworked, the boss said as much. He lost form just before RvP and Bendtner came back. I can't fault the boss for picking Bendtner who he maybe thought needed more games or was simply enough to do the job really. As he mentioned again today, everyone will be needed in this crucial period with games coming thick and fast. Everyone has to perform, period. There're things to blame but any Arsenal team, just any XI from the 25-man squad should have delivered a result at Ipswich tonight, or at least the due effort really.
GoonerLou
gunnerpig you don't get it do you? It's NOT the players that are the problem.....it's Wenger. Few years back we were loosing one nil to Lpool and at halftime Wenger lost his rag in the dressing room doe's anyone remember what happened next?
Armory
GoonerLou again stop blaming the players the buck stops with the manager. No one at the Grove will tell him this is not good enough so he is under no pressure.
Armory
That was last season Armory, nothing has changed since then (which is the problem, really).
ptv-
So Armory you think the manager should take more blame than those guys on the pitch today? I dare say even if they were a managerless team it was a shameful performance from someone of their calibre. Period.
GoonerLou
???? Armoury. Can't remember Wenger ever having to shout at Henry, Ljungberg, Pires, Bergkamp, Adams, Campbell (I can name more if you want me to). They were real footballers who wanted to win things. You couldn't motivate the likes of Denilson and Carlos Vela with a cattleprod.
gunnerpig
I stand corrected ptv. The problem lies solely with the manager and not the players in my opinion. They are all gifted footballers but are badly motivated in some games and that is down to the manager. If he made it clear that nothing less than a 100% effort will be tolerated then these results would not be happening. It's like he sends them out with the attitude that it is OK not to try hard and it is theyr god given right to win. But still I think there is a lot of promise for this season, we are still in 4 competitions and a little shift in attitude and urgency from the players and the manager could see the team really take off.
Armory
And Armory we blame who we think deserve criticism. You can also stop telling us who to stop blaming. Disagreements are all good but it'd be nice if it's phrased differently. Cheers.
GoonerLou
Pathetic
Dan_83
And therein lies the problem gunnerpig. Not all players are of the same mental attitude. Some need a arm around the shoulder some need a kick up the hole and others just get on with it. Who buy's these players and picks the team? The physio? The tea lady? No Wenger does and it is HIS job to keep them motivated and focused on the job at hand. few day's ago the Ipswich team could not buy a victory under Keane. And now with the new manager in the stand watching and judging the players they play their hart out.
Armory
Hands up who can't stand Eboue?
Will-i-am10
I am not saying you are not blaming who you think deserves the most criticism Gunnerlou....i just think you are wrong in blaming the players instead of looking to the guy that picks the team.
Armory
You might be right Armory, Wenger could be the problem. I mean, he's the one who's got to motivate them. However, for a cup semi-final, the players shouldn't need any motivation. The players really have to do most of the work themselves. Wenger can give them a push, but they'll have to do the real mental work in their own heads. And some of these players just seem incapable of doing so.
ptv-
08/09 United lost 1st leg 1-0 away to Derby and went on to win the trophy. Result is retrievable but that performance was unacceptable.
Iceman10
If players can't get motivated enough about a cup semi-final with a place at Wembley at stake, ESPECIALLY after going potless for 5 years, they shouldn't be playing for Arsenal. They shouldn't be playing football.
gunnerpig
And the manager should then buy a spanking new team and try again? If you as a company manager hired a bunch of slobs to work for you got no effort out of them kept on making excuses for them and saw the whole buessnis suffer for it are you not to blame? Keep on blaming the players and not the managers and I guarantee you that we will have another 5 years with out a trophy.
Armory
Vital Ipswich editor here. Commiserations, folks - that was quite astonishing. Shocked by the way that Priskin was allowed to keep running onto those hoofed balls forward. Shocked also by the stray through balls past our defence that nobody was running onto. But I get the feeling you'll have turned it around before half time in the second leg!!
Darren C
I seem to have contradicted myself somewhat there. :p Blame it on bad choice of words, hopefully you understood what I meant. If not: Wenger does have to motivate them, but he can only do so much.
ptv-
"I have been an Arsenal fan for 22 years and I honestly can't remember a more shameful performance than that" - that's the same thing many of us said after the disgraceful performance v. Wigan late last season. Thought I wouldn't see anything more disgraceful than that game by our players but tonight was at least just as bad or worse. AGAIN. These displays have become quite common for this team, haven't they? It's why I am never confident no matter which team AW fields or which team we play against. We could be playing against a 20th division side full of reserve players and I still wouldn't trust this team to perform-even if it was our first team. I have seen some signs of improvement this season but also the same old tendencies and mistakes. I think both players & manager are to blame-at bottom it's the culture the manager has built into this team. And as has been said a zillion times over and over and over and over again: there simply is no leadership in this team. When things are going wrong-no one stands up. I was watching our 1993 league cup semifinal (1st leg) v. SheffUnited over the weekend-I remember that game well, one of the first I watched at a pub as newbie gooner in London. Not a lot of technical quality on the pitch but so much strong, determined, focused leadership & organization in that team. Really miss watching an Arsenal team with strong minds as well as strong bodies.
jaelle
Respect, Darren C-you could've come on here and gloated and insulted us. And given the way we played, we'd deserve it. You fully deserved your win, congratulations. You showed everything we didn't, all the qualities I so respect in the English game and that is often lacking in our team.
jaelle
Armory, it is true the manager has a responsibility to lift the players but there are occasions when players need little prodding. For Gawd's sake, it was 180 minutes to a Wembley berth!!!! Playing against an, admittedly, bad side; having not won a trophy in 5 years (media makes them remember that, surely); Manager just got some recognition......What more motivation would serious pros need to just get in there and get the job done?? Sorry, these players have let fans (themselves too) down tonight and removed some of the Fabregas-Theo 'myth' to boot.
Naijagunner
Re jaelle: Nah, I'm too much of a realist to try that!!! This was a special night for us, but ultimately, you're still challenging at the top of the Premier League, while we've got to go to Millwall on Saturday and avoid dropping into the Championship's bottom three. Talk about bursting the bubble...! Thanks for your kind words, anyway, and best of luck (within reason) for the return leg!
Darren C
and he has been motivating this team for quite awhile ptv with the same results...doe's that not worry you? If the message you are sending out doe's not get understood is it that the listeners are stupid or is it that you are not saying it correctly? Wenger will not change IMO but he may still pull it off. Blaming the players though for lackluster performance after lackluster performance is not going to fix anything when it is in with the managers power to fix the problem about under performing players but he doe's not use that power.
Armory
I don't think it's as drastic as a whole new team! RvP, Cesc, Nasri, Walcott Wilshere etc are very talented footballers and look to me to be very driven individuals. But I also think that the team has players now that have had nearly four or five years of opportunity and they STILL don't cut it. It's only a natural thing, some players will be good enough and some won't. And if you want the future of Arsenal to be Denilson, Eboue, Vela etc then good luck to you. I guarantee you we will have another 5 years without a trophy.
gunnerpig
well said, Jaelle.
gunnerpig
Denilsn was one of our better perfomers tonight, gp.
Naijagunner
No gunnerpig I don't want Eboue and Denilson to be our future WENGER wants them to be our future THAT'S the point I'm trying to get across. Eboue and Denilson don't pick them self Wenger doe's.
Armory
shower of *****e and pile of crap.
Sajit
Denilson was one of our better performers tonight because tonight, passing the ball either sideways or backwards with average success was considered a highlight.
gunnerpig
I should be laughing, gp, but Denilson did make some penetrating passes; he also plled a save out of their keeper. He did have a good game.
Naijagunner
*pulled
Naijagunner
Did they play a goalkeeper? Ha! I can't help it, I'm afraid. I'm so disappointed.
gunnerpig
Watching Wenger and Rice sitting there in their seats, arms crossed, virtually silent, the odd exchange, a grimace, the pleading wave of a hand, I wondered what they'd said to the players at half-time. Because whatever it was had absolutely no effect whatsoever. I honestly don't think Wenger knows what to do. Neither does Rice for that matter. I'm still trying to come to terms with that quite dreadful display. Wenger blames it on tiredness but Ipswich surely came into this game on a lower ebb than us. They very clearly wanted it more than us and were prepared to chase, harry and defend in numbers. Attitude is a massive problem for this team. The lack of it makes it easier for opposition players to shove you off the ball and throw you out of your rhythm, and that's what Ipswich did to us tonight. Despite the warnings from Wenger and Cesc himself about the danger of taking the match lightly that is exactly what appears to have happened. God help us if we meet Barcelona in this frame of mind, because we will get absolutely mullered.
Wyn Mills
I'm still getting over Cesc receiving the ball, with a clear opportunity in front of him, deciding to square the ball back into a mess of players instead of shooting. It summed up the entire evening for me.
Wyn Mills
Eboue was so poor during the match I actually found myself laughing. I've never rated him as highly as Wenger does but tonight he plumbed new depths. Our defence looked hideously exposed, particularly on the right. For the goal (and previous near misses before it) we were caught with such a ridiculously high line, with both wing backs stranded upfield, you could only describe it as schoolboy defending.
Wyn Mills
Bendtner was dire too. Im not saying he got amazing service but where is the effort? Seems like we cant play well without Nasri in the team.
paul_ownz
Having taken time to watch the game again to get a second glance at our 'performance' it was shameful. If we cant penetrate the defence we were up against last night then there is nothing else to say really. Our lacklustre show was especially bad considering our away record until now. Having said that, one looks at the return tie with hope and optimism. It is the final result that matters and all that. Keeping the final result in mind, I find the rants of some of my fellow fans here incomprehensible. The players are to to blame beyond a doubt and the likes of Armory can expose their prejudice against the boss all they want but we can see the game and and come to our own conclusions. We dont need to be told who was to blame, thank you very much.
Deltaforce
There's no escaping how poor the performance was last night, but a good deal of the anger is because Arsenal fans are hurting ebcause they feel silly. Theye xpected us to rock up, for Ipswich to roll over and have their beliies tickled and when it didn't happen and our arrogance as a fanbase is exposed, it hits a nerve. Ipswich made life incredibly difficult for us and didn't drop physically in the way I thought they would. Credit to them, we played badly but they played terrifically and forced a lot of our errors. The biggest fault is in conceding a stupid goal. Cesc may not have had his best game but our three best chances still came from his passes Walcott, Arshavin and he put AA through when he was completely wrongly flagged offside). Football is not an exact science, too many condense games into mathematical formulae- Ipswich are this far below us and therefore we will win by this many goals. It doesn't work like that and never has- Carlisle in 2001, Doncaster in 2005, Burnley in 2008- when have we ever had anything other than an incredibly tough time away at a lower league ground? So why were so many so sure we would turn up and win easily? Poor performace from the team, but poor show from the Arsenal fans too. And please stop peddling the myth that the away fans are better than the home fans, I saw two punch ups between Arsenal fans last night and I was called a **** for applauding one of our players off. That's how immature we have become as supporters.
Little Dutch
Fans having a go at other fans because they are disappointed won't help us in understanding why this team is falling short. I understand people have to let off steam. Part of being a fan is dealing with disappointment, and part of that is understanding why a performance was so poor. We're not all phlegmatic optimists. Not everyone was expecting a massive win yesterday, but after the statements of both manager and captain this week (about not being complacent) I think many were quite reasonably expecting more effort. These are professional highly trained, highly paid players. I don't really want to point to individual players but what I saw from Bendtner, Eboue and Arshavin yesterday belonged on a Sunday League pitch and was little short of a disgrace to the shirt. This is a cup semi-final for goodness sake. A chance to win a piece of silverware Wenger was treating with contempt only a few seasons ago. The assumption that we can play at half-throttle and pull it all together at the Emirates reveals more about the arrogance of this team than its supporters I’m afraid. Tiredness is a poor excuse when we've had an entire day more than Ipswich to recover and had many players on the pitch who have not been playing consecutive matches. It goes deeper than that.
Wyn Mills
One other thing puzzled me last night. After terrorizing O'Dea on the right wing and getting the Ipswich left back booked, why did Wenger switch Walcott to the left? Surely it made more sense to continue to put pressure on a player with a caution? I thought we let Ipswich off the hook here.
Wyn Mills
LD, I agree. Some of the behavoir was shocking from our fans last night. Not only the puch ups, but stewards were having coins thrown at them as they walked past (several occasions) which I saw very first hand as one hit me (I was in the front row). We were poor on and off the pitch last night.
navydave
As navydave points out, what I'm talking about was very different from expressing disappointment and letting off steam Wyn. I had to break up a fight have way through having a ***** at half time and I too saw objects thrown and fights and arguments break out amongst our own fans. It's not wrong to want a better performance, though I would question the reality of expecting a super performance every time, paying for a ticket doesn't mean you're paying for a win or even a great display. But throwing objects, shouting down and fighting with your own fans for no other reason than you can't accept defeat shows an astonishing lack of emotional intelligence. It's not wrong to criticise that, just as it's not wrong to criticise the players for a poor display. Fans aren't excused from behaving like civilised human beings because Eboue can't trap a ball, people have to take responsibility for themselves without hiding behind footballers.
Little Dutch
LD, it really says something when the travelling fans start fighting. I've heard a few backs were turned when the players came over to applaud. Staggering. I absolutely condemn anyone who throws missiles or can't control themselves physically. But given that many (yourself among them) are paying small fortunes following the team around the country/Europe its perhaps not completely surprising there is growing discontent. We won't have an easier route to winning a trophy this season, and yet the team appear determined to make heavy weather of it. This is the second championship team we've struggled against this week, and we need to remember that the first one successfully held us to a draw at home. Its not so much the fact we didn’t win as the abject level of our performance that I think is causing the backlash. I think Arsenal fans on the whole are quite intelligent, but there's clearly two camps.
Wyn Mills
Thats what happens when 60% + of people attending games understand nothing about football. However, the performance was poor and lazy far too often. Often Koscielny and Djourou were bringing the ball forward from the back with 0 options and next to no movement from those infront. A lot was good pressing from Ipswich but a lot was because no one wants to take responsibility. We lack leadership, that person who drives everyone on, demanding better.
paul_ownz
Our midfield and forward players failed us dismally last night. The defenders could have done better but they were not helped by the midfield much.
Deltaforce
There is a strong sense of entitlement amongst part of our supporter base. In fairness its not unique to us and applies to all the bigger clubs but manifests itself more amongst some of our lot in growing frustration that their sense of entitlement hasn't been satisfied for a few years. Just as football has changed so have supporters attitudes. It's all taken far too seriously. Good natured enjoyment of the game and acceptance that things go wrong seems beyod far too many. I'm not sure why we have the idea that we're having an easier a ride in the CC this year than at other times. Our record in reaching the SFs is pretty good anyway. The prospects of ultimately winning it just seem more likely as none of the other top 5 sides are left in it but getting there is always a challenge whoever we're playing.
Amos.
Paul, not sure how you can say more than half of our fans don't know anything about football. How qualified are any of us apart from being spectators? We don't manage, we just watch. However if you watch enough games then I'd like to think you could tell the difference between a good performance and a crap one. When I visit the theatre I also reserve judgement on acting performances, especially if I'm being asked to pay top dollar. Does make me a professional critic, but it doesn't mean I know nothing about acting either.
Wyn Mills
Amos, I would suggest that its taken more seriously because people invest more of their time, emotions and hard earned cash in the game than they did in yesteryears. I don't think Arsenal fans have a particular issue with losing so much. We've had a lot of experience of that in past years! I think its a matter of expectations being raised and not met. We have a world class stadium and were assured of a world class team to go with it. Is it really happening if we're struggling to overcome lower league opposition?
Wyn Mills
Turning one's back when the players come over is a little immature I think, but basically o.k. with me. The aggression in the air was markedly different to anything I've experienced. I reflected last night that most people are more into the tribalism than they are into the football. I'm staggered that people are surprised we got such a hard game, you always do in these sorts of games. There were guys there who have been going home and away for years and it's perplexing that they haven't seen this before and were so surprised by Ipswich closing us out so well. With the exception of QPR in 2001, I can't recall ever going to a lower league ground and getting anything other than a very tough game (Sheffield United in 2005 too). I said before kick off, realistically, I'd like to leave with a goal advantage to take home, or even level pegging. That we were beaten was very poor indeed, but so many thought we were going to win just by turning up and are hurting because they probably boasted to their mates at work about getting to the final and now feel silly. In short, they don't actually watch football properly and aren't really football fans per se, rather they are fans of sticking a badge on themselves and belonging to something they see as an extension of themselves. This explains why defeat is usually greeted with a "how could you do this to me?" style sentiment.
Little Dutch
Nothing new in any of this Wyn. The history of the club is peppered with nights like last night. Even Chapmans all conquering triple title winners were turned over by 3rd division Walsall in the cup. Plenty will still remember Wrexham. Its taken more seriously because now we have, in some but not all, a generation of spoilt, humourless supporters who have lost all sense of perspective when it comes to their expectations from buying a ticket for an entertainment event.
Amos.
Didn't go last night as couldn't make it but always used to like going Ipswich as a boy, wouldn't have minded going as an adult. The thing that strikes me as well is that some of the more petulance from our support is from most of the old school - who've seen a lot worse than this. Arsenal has always been cliquey, but never more than now in my opinion. A lot of alienation is felt, I feel it on a weekly basis. The defeats to Wrexham etc are in the past when football wasn't such a brand, people weren't giving up so much money to go and see it.
shewore
Ok, but fans are not being paid fortunes to perform. That is the fundamental difference. We expect value for money these days. Its perhaps a sad reflection of present day football fandom, but there it is. We live in that kind of world now where we expect to be entertained. Higher season ticket prices? Fine, but let's see some silverware in exchange. However we're realistic. We're not expecting the big gleaming Champions League trophy. But how about that little blingy one we used to make fun of? There's only a championship side and 2 teams fighting relegation in our path.
Wyn Mills
So the more money you spend the more aggressive and hostile you are entitled to be? Surely they would be better off spending their money on something that makes them happy? Or simply cultivate a more mature a sense of perspective.
Amos.
Home or away. Doesn't seem to matter. We will struggle against buses and tractors parked in front of us if that is the tactic adopted by our opponents. Rather than the fans tearing strips out of each other I'd much rather see Wenger and Rice having a right good ding dong on the touchline.
Wyn Mills
Amos, you know that isn't what I meant. No one has an entitlement to be hostile or violent. I simply suggested that expectations were not being met and this was perhaps resulting in a level of discontent. Its not new or unique to Arsenal.
Wyn Mills
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that many fans see the winning of this particular trophy as a kind of holy grail in itself. Perhaps subconsciously it represents a kind of watershed.
Wyn Mills
LD, if you are writing up a match report please don't go overboard on the fan unrest. We should be more interested in the lack of passion on the pitch than the eruption of it in the stands.
Wyn Mills
Wyn, no offence meant but surely there is something called a writers prerogative.
Deltaforce
DF, I know. Could have been phrased differently. LD, no offence meant.
Wyn Mills
....We can still look forward to LD's report after all these?
Naijagunner
This is one game I shall be willing to spare LD the effort. Let us just put this one behind and focus on future games, including the return legs/replays we have against championship sides.
Naijagunner
Wow, my brain was full of mush last night after that performance. I posted a comment referring to our 1993 "league cup" final v. SheffUnited when I meant our FA CUP FINAL (1st leg) at Wembley v. Sheffield Wednesday!
jaelle
At what point does my desire for Arsenal do well become “entitlement”. I think a lot of the reaction last night was down to a sense of being cheated, and I don’t mean because of the time and money spent by the fans. The potential for this squad is constantly touted and expectations rise as a result only to be dashed with a tepid performance against a club in freefall. Had Ipswich defeated an Arsenal team exhausted and bloodied through their exertions or even where the Arsenal team had been dreadfully unlucky or simply outplayed, then you can accept that and feel duly disappointed. What you wouldn’t feel is let down by an abject performance from players who couldn’t motivate themselves for a cup semi-final.
Sir Henry
By the way I look forward to LD’s match reports so despite the ravings here could we have one anyway?
Sir Henry
 

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