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Nasri Sale Agreed, Where Do We Go From Here?

Arsenal Football Club today announced they have agreed terms with Man City for the sale of Samir Nasri.

Arsene Wenger had "threatened" to use Samir Nasri in tomorrow`s CL qualifier in an attempt to hurry up Manchester City, and it appears to have worked as the two clubs have now come to an agreement subject to personal terms and a medical.

I`ve be very pro-sale of Nasri for quite sometime as 20 odd million pounds for a player who doesn`t want to be here and is in the last year of his contract is an extraordinary piece of business.

However it only becomes good business if that cash is immediately reinvested into the squad, and I`m just not sure that`s going to happen.

We have lost three first choice players this summer, two of them our most creative players (indeed in the 3 games so far this season we have looked completely devoid of ideas) without replacing any of them.

Wenger needs to act fast to replace these men or he will quickly find Arsenal fans asking for a new manager, and it pains me to say I could well be one of them.




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Writer: Rocky7 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday August 23 2011

Time: 1:49PM

Your Comments

where now from here... THE EUROPA LEAGUE
dan_83
It's not done yet. Diaby could attempt to give him a farewell hug and snap his leg again. I think "where we go from here" is simple. Wenger needs to pull his thumb out and buy some effin players. Right now. There will not be bargains waiting for us as teams know we are in desperate straits and flush with money. That's what happens when we wait til the final ticks of the transfer window. Well done, Arsene, well done. I still believe he is the man to take us forward but my faith is wavering.
smithdj74
Anyone want to wager we wont sign more than 1 player if that?
Armory
30 million in the transfer kitty, another 30+ from Cesc and 20+million from Nasri. More than £80M to spend. If we don't spend most of that money on quality players, then we're f***ed. Wenger will be f***ed. I'm actually struggling to believe that we won't spend lots of that lovely cash, but the longer this goes on the more likely it becomes.
Rocky7
The club have painted themselves into a corner here with only a week to go for the transfer window closes. Lets see how they respond to this situation. The price of all our targets will increase but we have no choice but to buy quality.
Deltaforce
We had little choice with Nasri refusing to sign a new contract. I say sell him to City (since they are willing to pay the stupid money) and now bullishly force the hand of teams with players that interest us. If we get beyond Udinese, all can be well again.
Naijagunner
To think the only reason Wenger chose to wait for this period to get very active was to get bargains. So much for that now as we will be deemed to be 'loaded' and desperate.
Naijagunner
Your in trouble. Wilshire will be found out for the average ***** he is. You'll be battling it out for Europa... starting your season early June from now on. The sun has set on arsenals glory years.....
Timmsy
Come on Samir and join a team of winners, it will be a nice surprise to leave behind the chokers who will struggle to even get into the Chmpions League this year. Pity you didn't join last season as you would be a FA Cup winner rather than playing for a team of trophyless loser.
Wswilly3
I have just tweeted the same sentiment Delta. We're going to have to pay over the odds for some players, but it's Wenger's fault for letting us get into this situation, he's going to have to swallow his pride this time and open that wallet extra wide. Arsenal fans have been stung by massive price hikes only to see the team capitulate and then sell most of our best players. If Wenger thinks simply saying "trust my judgment" is going to work then he has clearly lost it. In a weeks time if we haven't brought in proper quality, then this negative atmosphere he thinks Gooners have been creating is going to be nothing compared to the s*** storm heading his way.
Rocky7
Rocky, the current net spend is - Gervinho - 10.5 million + Chamberlain - 7 million (initial payment) + Campbell 1 million + Jenkinson 1 million = 19.5 million - Clichy 7 million - Eboue 3.5 million - JET 1 million = 8 million pounds spent. Adding Cesc's transfer fee of 30 million (assured fee without add ons) + Nasri 23 million we are atleast 45 million pounds positive currently without any other investment assumed to be put in by the club.
Deltaforce
The fact he's gone, fair enough, but it's unacceptable for it to happen at this moment. Reasonable commentators and bloggers say that we can't control all aspects of transfers as other parties introduce delays or move goalposts etc. This is ignoring a key fact - we haven't properly exerted our full influence on proceedings, because we do not have a clear and unified strategy apart from 'holding on'. It's really not good enough from a man of Wenger's intelligence to start with but he has been failed by the infrastructure around him too. With 2 key players hankering after a move, you need decisive and proactive action (which you can only take if you have a clear strategy). Arsene has done himself a disservice by waiting so long. He can say all he wants about being gazumped to players but if you move early and decisively things have a habit of happening for you and that's not been the case with us. The strategy for buying promising kids seems to work for us because its meticulous and decisive, and that's the approach we need for senior buys too. Where do we go... right now 4th would be perfect for me!
Andy-T
The fact he's gone, fair enough, but it's unacceptable for it to happen at this moment. Reasonable commentators and bloggers say that we can't control all aspects of transfers as other parties introduce delays or move goalposts etc. This is ignoring a key fact - we haven't properly exerted our full influence on proceedings, because we do not have a clear and unified strategy apart from 'holding on'. It's really not good enough from a man of Wenger's intelligence to start with but he has been failed by the infrastructure around him too. With 2 key players hankering after a move, you need decisive and proactive action (which you can only take if you have a clear strategy). Arsene has done himself a disservice by waiting so long. He can say all he wants about being gazumped to players but if you move early and decisively things have a habit of happening for you and that's not been the case with us. The strategy for buying promising kids seems to work for us because its meticulous and decisive, and that's the approach we need for senior buys too. Where do we go... right now 4th would be perfect for me!
Andy-T
Naij it was obvious when Nasri would not sign a contract extension last winter that he would be going. In any well organized and well run club and yeas well run I say! Immediate work would have started on finding a replacement for Nasri and for that matter Cesc, replacements identified and purchased as soon as the window opened so they would be ready for the preseason and the obvious shortcomings in defense would also have been sorted at the same time. How anyone can now say that th club is well run and in good hands is beyond me. You simply do NOT sell your best players and not replace them or fix the problems that where already there and had been acknowledged by Wenger as being top priority. Where is the center half? Cahill Jagielka Samba Merts....are they all at the same level as Squid hence not a improvement?
Armory
Its not just Wenger that has to act. The transfers negotiation team has to act positively and burn the midnight oil if necessary. Wenger travels with the team where it goes and is also the head coach. It will be Richard Law and David Miles doing day today transfer negotiations and documentation for identified players. These are people behind the scenes so have no public accountability.
Deltaforce
Our site poll has changed drastically to the negative over the last hour or two.
Rocky7
I seriously doubt we'll make any of the kind of signings the fans are wanting, if any at all. Whilst I never had faith that Wenger would change his ways, I never thought things would be as bad as this. I can see us finishing 6th or 7th or even lower if we go out against Udinese and lose against United as our confidence will be shot. Completely bemused by what's going on. Here we go on another 5 year rebuilding plan. Big, ambitious club. Yeah right.
Gooner_Vin
What you all need to remember is that we will only buy super quality players. We look for value. If there were players better than what we have we would have bought them. So, by simple virtue of the fact we haven't bought anyone we know there was no one better than squillaci available. or gibbs. or anyone at all who can play as a creative central mid. Please think of the children, we don't want to kill the kids.
smithdj74
DF Wenger Identifies the targets, not much those two can do if there are no targets. Wenger still has full responsibility over who comes in and who leaves and those two work for him and get their instructions from him. If he is not running them into the ground with work it's hardly their fault. Had he pulled his finger out when we where likely to have to replace Cesc and Nasri + Clicy and set them to work on the replacements we would not be in this situation. Our transfer dealings should not be any different from other clubs that have the money to spend and those clubs for most parts do their dealings earlier.
Armory
Relegation dogfight for Arsenal this season with this squad Im afraid.
Sajit
hahaha this bomkesh wenger loses chances all the time and later claim we nearly signed. he said the same for CR7, cech, drogba, mata etc. you know we are going to sign hazard so that he, mata and torres plays in front. I really dont understand why didnt he take 3-4 superb youngsters from barca B instead of taking that 14m initial payment.
vinay
Permission to panic wildly and scream ARSEGEDDON at the top of my lungs sir?
nikolaijns
so the clubs ceases to exist if we finish 6th or below? The fans boycott the games if there is no champions league? I do not understand. The manager is in a fix any body can see that. Whats the point in developing players only for the moguls to come buy purchase them all. You do see the trend here don't you? Our club is in a terrible position because our manager is renowned for developing talent but when he does the rich riches come and steal them away offering ridiculous wages that make no sense in the real world. Our manager is renowned for spotting talent but when that happens richie riches come and outbid us to take that player from our grasps. Now the question we should be asking ourselves is not if Wenger has lost it but if football is not being destroyed by the huge influx of cash. Think about it. Its no longer a competition when a team can afford to without fear of bankruptcy(the catch) continue to buy and buy and spend and spend on players. when football becomes a toy for the billionaires, I wonder how many fans would still think they matter? P.S The players at the club now need our support more than ever! Be a supporter and support! if you want boardroom drama you have control over go and play a video game or become a billionaire and buy yourself a football club
GunnaBlazing
Permission granted Niko.
Rocky7
Who the ***** is not behind the players.. Its Arsene and the management who have let us down. Lets put it this way..if this was happening at any other club I would LOLing at them.
Sajit
So let me get this straight - we were woefully lacking last year (punching above our weight and didn't show up in any of the so called 'BIG' games). We sell our Captain (and best midfielder in Europe on the cheap), our next most creative player in Nasri (because Wenger and Gazidis bungled his contract whilst securing Diaby, Denilson, Rosicky etc on lucrative long term deals) and our experienced left back to the same rivals who took Nasri and pipped us to 3rd place last season. (see this link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/12/arsenal-cesc-fabregas-samir-nasri-arsene-wenger). - and yet he tells us Alex Oxlade Chamberlain (36 caps for Soton who were 2 divisions below the Prem at the time), Campbell (Costa Rican first division who's biggest export was Paulo Wanchope), Gervinho (looked promising until getting sent off in his 1st game) and Ryo (straight out of college football in Japan) and Carl Jenkinson (8 caps at a League 1 club, and loans to lower tier clubs) are 'SUPER QUALITY', meanwhile 24 y/o WC winner and Spanish international Mata (13M when his buyout clause was active), Ashley Young (15M), Cahill (16M), Lukaku (13M rising to 17M) All this time he guffaws about the squad being 'too large' only to find himself throwing a debutant defensive midfielder against Liverpool's 80M midfield, watching him subsequently sent off leaving us with bare bones against Man Utd. So now he has a big pot of cash, no players, clearly desperate and other clubs holding us ransom on prices. Oh btw - if we go out of the ECL - we'll lose out on 20M (equivalent to the Nasri transfer) so that money is essentially 'wasted'. Good job Arsene and the board, everyone and their dog could see Cesc, Nasri and Clichy going before the summer, everyone could see Squillachi (not good enough) and Koscielny (not ready), Vermaelen (injured 95% of last season) and Djourou (inconsistent) that our defence was a shambles. Yet you WEAKEN before you STRENGTHEN. How does that make economic sense? Time to go. Thanks for everything up until 2005. When you FAILED to strengthen the Invincibles and instead broke it up and replaced quality with ***** you lost my faith, now - you've lost large swathes of the rest of the fanbase. Your decisions have been terrible, do the right thing and **** off
Englishman-in-NY
GunnaBlazing - Most of what you say is true (aside from suggesting everyone will boycott without CL, not one person has suggested that), the club needs to stop lying to us. Price hikes and promises that the manager would spend £40M are just fuel to the fire. If we're in trouble financially then fair dues, we take the hit and get on with it. But we're not. The only reason we're in the trouble we're in is ... because ... well there is no adequate reason, and that's why most fans are as angry as they are. There is no reason for our ineptitude.
Rocky7
Heard Jose Mourinho is available. Will someone please call him.. Please.
Sajit
Oh btw - Van Persie will have 1yr left at the end of this season. Do you think he'll re-sign ?
Englishman-in-NY
NO. I'd take Hodgson over Mourinho. No I don't want Hodgson, I'm just sayin'.
smithdj74
On Twitter:

Jack Wilshere:Good luck to my friend @Nanas08 (mr Nasri) learnt a lot from him. World class player! Will be missed!"

Emmanuel Frimpong: Pffffff comeon Jack
Rocky7
Wenger thought the puppy eyes "one more year please lads" routine would work with both $amir and Cesc and they have mauled the poor kitty to death. What an abject failure this summer has been, from ticket price hikes to squad building it has been a complete disaster.
iceman10
smithdj, Not that I like Mourinho. But right now Im desperate.
Sajit
Frimpong merrily on high, the midfield balls need winning, frimpong merrily on high, the midfield balls need winning, Tra la la la la la, Tra la la la la la, Tra la la la la la, Tra la la Whose gonna get a round in?
nikolaijns
I get it. and let me be clear, while my faith is shaken I still believe Wenger has a few days left to restore it or at least begin to repair it. However if we get to another closed window with no more additions I think we should work a deal with Everton. Swap Moyes for Wenger. Wenger loves to work on a shoestring budget and is afraid of big money purchases. Moyes does alright on a shoestring but would wet himself with glee if told he had more than a pack of saltines to buy a player with. He also seems to be able to organize a defense and get the most out of some limited players.
smithdj74
Wenger: ‘We’ll replace (Cesc) internally. With Ramsey, Wilshere + new boys Chamberlain 18, Miyaichi, 18. We’re like the nursery of Europe’
iceman10
Please tell me that is not a real quote. It's very funny if it is an iceman quote but infuriating if it isn't.
smithdj74
GunnaBlazing - City tried to sign Nasri from Marseille when he was 18 years of age, alas they could not afford him and along came a club with deeper pockets called Arsenal F.C. and snapped him up.
Bluedub
Let me fix that up for you Iceman:

Wenger: ‘We’ll replace (Cesc) internally. With Ramsey, Wilshere + new boys Chamberlain 18, Miyaichi, 18. We’re like the f***ing idiots of Europe’
Rocky7
What an incredibly depressing state of affairs!!!.Wenger promised at the tail end of last season when his team imploded so spectacularly that he was going to have "A Busy Summer".How accurate he was.We have proceeded this summer to lose probably the most creative attacking midfielder in Europe,a few average squad players who at least make up the numbers,and now possibly one of the most promising playmakers in Europe in $amir. My point is,Wenger and Gazidis must have had a reasonable clue all summer that they were fighting a losing war with our two best players and yet did absolutely sod all about it.Instead they kept telling the fans that this whole transfer wheeling and dealing was not at plain sailing as the Chavs and Mancs would make us believe.Fast forward to 8 days till the window closes and by my reckoning we are at least 5 quality experienced players short,lost to an average Pool side and have to endure a frankly unnecessary,anxious 90 minutes or more against a fired up Udinese side tomorrow night. Absolutely effing unacceptable That!!!!!!!!!!! I think its high time Wenger realised he's taken the paying fans for nincompoops for too long and started taking some responsibility,starting by getting into the CL proper AT ALL COSTS and signing Cahill,Hazard and Schweingsteigger and a real poacher for when RVP inevitably gets injured.All this in 7 days is cutting it a bit fine but The AFC board really have no choice if they want to avoid a MUTINY of sorts at our beloved club.
GHGooner
The board is really irrelevent. What comes from there is the lip service of some old tradition bound men and a rich american and a rich russian. All of whom seem to serve as mere cover for the manager.
smithdj74
Welcome aboard GHgooner! Well I say welcome aboard but we've already lowered the lifeboats so you're the last man on deck along with the band, so at least it'll be a musical send off, ah I hear their mournful strains now in the cool night air, 'the wonder of you' if I'm not mistaken.
nikolaijns
Welcome aboard GHgooner! Well I say welcome aboard but we've already lowered the lifeboats so you're the last man on deck along with the band, so at least it'll be a musical send off, ah I hear their mournful strains now in the cool night air, 'the wonder of you' if I'm not mistaken.
nikolaijns
Lol Rocky, I despair.....this is some serious car crash stuff.
iceman10
Blue Moon v Choking Gunners. Not much of a choice.
Wswilly3
The Russian has no say in this smithdj74, it's stay away Stan that hold's all the cards. He, only few months ago invested hevely in the club and if he is not crapping him self when his investment is rapidly loosing value then I don't know what. I hope and pray that the Russian gets a few more shares to lift him above the 30% that way he can prevent the Yank from loading his own depth on the club.
Armory
This is a nadir, it must be the first time someone from above has told Wenger what to do since he's been here.
shewore
Nikolaijns.Thanks mate.A bit of humour at such a depressing time can only make the situation slightly more bearable one suspects.
GHGooner
So are we still a big club? Not in Arsene's mind apparently.
Gael-Force
Just got fined 30k for the fracas at St James Pk.
nikolaijns
This summer's been a fkg shambles. It's not just AW's fault (tho he's not blameless) - it's him, the Board and the entire management staff that have brought us to this. For the last 5 yrs I've been reading gooners saying what a great future we have against those gooners making very credible critical observations about this team AW's been building. I don't see much of a bright future right now. I see us in the Europa League - even if we do get past Udinese tonight. Because there's no way this team will finish in the top 4. The complacency and blind faith by AW and fans that we could rely on keeping our best players after every season ended as it did has been infuriating to watch. Who knows, maybe it's good to get all this horrible stuff out of the way and we could finish strong in the season. I'm grasping at straws. Whether or not it's the absence of Dein & Fiszman, this summer transfer window has been marked by unbelievable incompetence and disarray.
jaelle
if anybody asks if we are a big club they should state the criteria they wish to use to judge. How many european cups do we have as a football club? What are we valued at? I actually think this is good for the club in a way. If any player wants to jump ship, this is a good time, what are we left with when those who love the money are gone? Only players who want to stay at arsenal. SO let me ask you is that not what we desires as fans. to see a player give his absolute best on the pitch? A player who doesn't constantly court another club? We can not say the club has not re-invested into the club because there have been no marque signing. The last marque signing arsenal made was in 1995. So the question really boils down to tradition or trend which should we follow? as fans which would we accept? C'mon Arsenal!
GunnaBlazing
Suspension of touchline ban lifted due to appeal so Wenger will be on the bench for tomorrow.
nikolaijns
i am totally convinced that there must be an underlying reason that the club has been so inactive in the transfer window, either money is a major problem,which is doubtfull ginen the fees recieved for our outgoing players or le prof is keeping us all in suspenders, and is waiting for the last day of the window to announce the signings of 2 world class midfielders, 2 world class defenders, and the shock transfer of messi just so he can say at the press conference " i told you all to trust me " whoops sorry, ive just wokenup and realised ive been sleep typing zzzzzzzzzzz
cornish gooner
i wasnt really sleep typing, just rtying to inject a bit of humour into a sad state of affairs, but look on the bright side no matter how bad it seems we can always console ourselves with the knowledge that the pond life at white heart lane have always and will always be below us at the end of the season
cornish gooner
It looks things can only get worse, from here. Even IF Wenger brings in reinforcements (and thats a big IF), they will take time to settle in. We're talking about too many replacements. This season looks like the end of Champions League football for the club. I hope to be proven wrong, but I see very little action from the club and Wenger to rectify things. Trying hard is not a good enough explanation - if I said that in my job but did not show the results year after year, I'd be fired.
prits
now it looks like Nasri is coming to City, what would happen IF Udinese turn over the 1-0 deficit tomorow night? will the fans scream for Arsene's head? or blame the board for not pulling rank on the manager and telling him to do the deal and buy his replacements earlier? as the money fron the CL is worth the same as the PL money, and same if not more 'Kudos' attached to it... will it all implode as Arsenal have got used the money fron the compitition and will be missed IF you do not qualify and play on a Thursday night in the Europa League... more games and less money, and if Nasri is not replaced a young team that has little or no european experience.... looks bleak at the Emirates.....like City was in the dark days... 1995 to 2006 were DIRE....Hope it doesnt happen BUT it could.....the warnings are there.. heed them...
cityman51
Difference being in your dark days there wasn't some numpty sheikh giving you untold millions he's given us almost as much as he has you lot lol, 72 million and counting. I know it looks like you're poaching our players and despite him being a mercenary ingrate judas he's the only player I regret selling you. Toure was over the hill, Adebyewhore a walking nightmare and clichy a perma accident waiting to happen. If what we are left with are the players that want to be at the club then that's a start. Nasri will stick around a year or two then agitate just as Tevez and any other player you flung silly money at that has no love for you will. You've paid 25 mill for a player that wanted to go to utd, you'll excuse me if rather pointless congrats aren't forthcoming.
nikolaijns
I'm as baffled and frustrated as a lot of people on here by our lack of transfer activity. AW claims his new signings like Chamberlain are top quality but at the same time he didn't want to use him on Saturday when Arshavin and Walcott were completely ineffective. If he has real faith in his signings then he should play them and prove to the fans how good they are. Despite saying this I'm not going to judge Arsene firstly until the transfer window closes and secondly until we are a good 15-20 games in to the season. Lets see if he knows what he is doing and if he is proven right. With our resources 4th place is a good achievement and we have to be pretty happy with that. I don't think there is another manager out there that could do any better. Chelsea, Man Utd and Citeh all have much more money and should be expected to finish above us.
bowiecokemirror
In fact cityman call the sheikh and tell him let's round it up to a nice round 100 mill and we'll throw in Gunnersaurus.
nikolaijns
Very rational post bowiecokemirror. For those who say our situation can only get worse, it could if we dont get the desired result against Udinese but our first squad barring Wilshere and Koscielny will be available for tomorrow so am cautiously positive. The problem we will face against Udinese again is about who will play the through balls for RvP and Gervinho. Now there are only two clear choices - Arshavin or Rosicky. Though Rosicky is the safe choice, I prefer Arshavin. He wont be man marked as tightly as he is by top PL defenders and it could offer him a chance to get some space and wreck some havoc. 1 away goal is what we need. Will sorely miss Wilshere for the next 3 weeks, hope he recovers fast.
Deltaforce
As a selling club, how much for Wiltshire as Mancini says he wants one more?
Wswilly3
We don't have anyone called wiltshire wswally3
bowiecokemirror
LMFAO
Armory
Great post EnglishmaninNY. Spot on.
hughied
Once again the timing could not have been worse. I struggle to imagine a more inept pair of transfer deals than we've just witnessed, and can only conclude there is a power struggle going on upstairs. Well have to see where we are when the smoke clears.
Wyn Mills
Guys please hear me out. What if, just what if city planned to make this signing late and hence limit our chances of buying an adequate replacement before the window closes? Think about that for a second. Last year they scored no goal against us for all their millions. Its no surprise that city buy not just cos they need but they buy to weaken direct competition. Think about these signings the barry & milner signings (where did villa finish last year), Shay given One year benchmark(would not let him go and could afford to), the toure and adebayor buys not as fortuitous, now more from clichy and nasri weakening the arsenal in the process (include Sylvinho, Vieira arsenal legacy already). then the tevez buy and of-course the Rooney debacle. you see a systemic tactic of gradually weakening the competition with no financial consequence (which is really the only thing that could place them in check them) and even when the players can't play , they either refuse to play them or loan them out to lower league opposition or competition they feel can't match them anymore. Look at the proposed loan of Adebayor to spurs... he won't play against them but will play us, chelsea and liverpool and while we struggle taking points off each other who stands to gain? The money is ruining the game. You have someone like Mancini demanding we sell him a player to complete his master plan as if that isn't just "throw more money at the problem." Anyway, mark the date for the games it would be a new kind of derby. Money vs Class
GunnaBlazing
Hopefully the Fifa financial fair play, will stop the crazy development in wages and transfer fees, ruined by the likes of *****ty, Chelski and Circus Real.
nordkap
Agree fellas. And don't forget, all these multi-million pound transfer fees, sig-on fees, agent fees and 300k/week wages are paid largely by........ the fans.
damiano_tommassi
My money is still on for you lot to get 4th again. Maybe i've got it wrong somewhere down the line but don't most ex-Arsenal players flop when they leave Arsenal?
TheFamousNo7
So we've given the 5th biggest club in the world by revenue (Deloitte Football money league) £72m. Question is why haven't you spent any of it?
fifthcolumnblue
Damiano-tomassi - that's not true at all. The majority of money coming into football clubs these days is from television rights, sponsorship and merchandising. The fans, even at huge (and hugely expensive) grounds like the Emirates make only a small contribution to the overall revenues of the clubs. And nerdkrap - £30m for Ferdinand, £30.5m for berbatov, £18m for DeGea - who started the circus mate? Enjoy your new £40m training kit sponsorship.
fifthcolumnblue
Not sure of your point fifthcolumnblue. Doesn't the money generated from broadcasting and merchandising also come from the fans???? Incidentally matchday revenues at the emirates are 45% of the clubs income - 39% at ManU so not small contributions at all.
Amos.
The circus of spending beyond your means? Not us mate ;) We spent big but we spent what we earned a massive contrast to the willy nilly care free spending of yourselves and Chelsea.
TheFamousNo7
Not surprising your matchday revenue is that high Amos considering the frankly ridiculous price being charged. It's disgusting charging fans that kind of money to watch their team.
Bluedub
Thanks for the figures Amos, saves me looking them up! TFNo7 - United, right? - you spent what you earned a few years ago; nowadays you're spending the bank's money, aren't you (I'm asking, not telling)? Does the debt worry you at all? Or the FFP rules?
damiano_tommassi
damiano_tommassi, the debt did once worry me but with the PIK loans, which were valued at £220 mil, supposedly paid off and the Glazers set to sell a 25% share, valued at 400-600 mil, in the Singapore market the debt is well under control. Then there's no sponsorships being announced which means more money. The frustrating part is the fact that it was never our debt in the first place, it was the Glazers debt which they some how managed to pass on to us. The fact that they bought us with money they never had is a disgrace alone. You won't catch me complaining though about life under the Glazers, I've never been for nor against them as we've still enjoyed massive success under them. We're still generating massive revenues and have a sound business plan and if worse comes to worst i'm certain there's many potential suitors who want to buy the club such as the Qatari Royal Family or The Red Knights.
TheFamousNo7
Then there's more sponsorships being announced which means more money* & I've never been for nor against them as we've still enjoyed massive success under them despite the debt*
TheFamousNo7
Must be frustrating to see them take money out of your club, but I can understand you being indifferent about it given the team's recent success. I'm dead against wealthy owners picking up clubs and pumping billions in to try to buy the league (and usually succeed!) - I don't consider it sporting at all. If it happened to my club, would I feel differently? I don't know, principle is important to me, but winning is awful good fun... On the news earlier this week it was said that the Asian stock-market float for United was going to be used to send money to the NFL team - is that right, do you know?
damiano_tommassi
Not a clue damiano_tommassi to be perfectly honest. What they do with the money is pure speculation, some reckon we're going to go on a mad spending spree, some reckon the Glazers will take the money and do what they want with it whilst other reckon they'll do the smart thing and clear the debt. By clearing they debt they can take some of the profits we generate each year without having to worry about paying back debt and then pump that into their NFL team, as long as they don't take crippling or excessive amounts that prevent the club developing I'm not too bothered. I share the same opinion as you when it comes to wealthy owners buying sports teams. You wouldn't catch me moaning though in the event the Qatari Royal Family do buy our club.
TheFamousNo7
FCB said "Damiano-tomassi - that's not true at all. The majority of money coming into football clubs these days is from television rights, sponsorship and merchandising." Yes, for normal clubs thats true but normall does not include City and Chelsea. The biggest investment Chelsea ever received was Abramovich writing off 700 million pounds in loans made to Chelsea. The biggest investment City will receive is when Mansour's family writes off its gigantic investment into the club. You will deny that money needs to be written off by Mansour because of the Etihad sponsorship deal money coming into the club. But Etihad money also belongs to the ruling family of Abu Dhabi so in essence, it is a write off.
Deltaforce
Bluedub, post FFP regulations are implemented, you can be sure of your ticket prices increasing as well. Your current stadium matchday collections are very low and can go only one way - up. City are fortunate to have a subsidy funded stadium and now a sugar daddy who sees the club as a vehicle to promote his country. Not all clubs are that 'lucky' so get off your high horse about ticket prices. We built our stadium through our own money, sponsorships and debt. We live in the real world unlike some clubs.
Deltaforce
ADUG is a private equity firm Delta. Etihad is the national airline of a state. Etihad is also not the only massive sponsorship deal that City have signed since ADUG took over. There's plenty of others and more to come.
Bluedub
Delta, I do believe that it's you that is on a high horse when it comes to City. The game is a working man's game, these clubs would be nothing without the hard earned of the local communities making them what they are today. Arsenal's ticketing policy is a disgrace when this is taken into account. I can't believe you would try to defend this.
Bluedub
Surely a disgrace would be a club paying players 3 times what it earns in revenue and thereby inflating wages elsewhere and obliging other clubs to raise prices in order to pay the wage levels such distorted inflation brings?
Amos.
Have you looked at the revenue growth City have secured since the ADUG takeover Amos? It's set to grow and grow.
Bluedub
Sorry, mea culpa - it's all our fault that Arsenal have lost their two best players to Barca, have failed to reinforce adequately, are possibly on the verge of crashing out of the Champions League gravy train this evening. Hell, I suspect we're probably to blame for your lack of coherence at board room level as well. The thing that really amuses me is that everything was AOK when it was always the same 4 clubs soaking up the £40m or so per year that the Champions league offered, thereby ruling out all but the odd interloper gaining a foothold in the big time, but now that someone else has come along and threatened the cash flow, you all scream like little biatches. Tough bananas folks, the mess you find yourselves in is entirely of your own making, City are just a convenient scapegoat.
fifthcolumnblue
Fifthcolumn blue has a very valid point. Your meltdown is actully entirely down to yourselves. You have needed to strengthen with proven players for at least two years and not putting Nasri on a long term contract was just plain daft. Be fair the major issue is why you are not splashing cash on good players. You have had weeks to decide on Cahill or Danns or Jagielka but seem unable to make a decision. The majority of Gooners want signings to happen so it is a bit rich if you criticise City for doing what you all know you should be doing.
Wswilly3
Fifth - "The thing that really amuses me is that everything was AOK when it was always the same 4 clubs" - I won't try to speak for everyone, but no, that wasn't okay. When a season starts, every team in each league should have a chance of winning it, and the finances involved pre-clubs-seling-their-souls prevented that to an extent. What's happening now is almost a guarantee that the three richest clubs will finish in the top three (doubt anyone disputes that the Manchesters and Chelsea will make up the top three). City's revenue growth is caused by an increase in sales and interest ONLY BECAUSE of the money pumped-in artificailly by the new owners. And don't be too confident about htose lucrative deals; UEFA are due to look into those... And Wswilly3 - there is no meltdown. Arsenal are still a great club with a good future; it'll take more than the loss of two players to change that.
damiano_tommassi
Errr...when exactly did anyone say that our current situation is City's doing. Thats just a way to divert attention from the topics under discussion because frankly you dont have much to say on the points I raised. Bluedub, our ticket prices are high and could do with reduction. Having said that, when a club has to take charge of its own finances because none are forthcoming from a benefactor. With our main sponsorship deals like kit sponsorship, shirt sponsor and stadium rights are on very low yield because of the fund requirement for our new stadium, the club will be forced to look into other avenues like matchday revenues. City obviously have no constraints there being used to getting either British public money or gulf petro dollars.
Deltaforce
Fkin nouveau riche loadsa maaney city slags, football is fked and it's entirely toy puppets like yourselves and Chelski's doing. Jon Macken is your level not Aguero, you deserve zero credibility for buying everything, i've been City at both Maine Rd and since you've moved to Middle Eastlands, you most certainly are not Citeh anymore.
shewore
"ADUG is a private equity firm Delta. Etihad is the national airline of a state. Etihad is also not the only massive sponsorship deal that City have signed since ADUG took over."

ADUG is a Private Equity firm owned by Shaikh Mansour who in turn is the half brother of the ruler of not only Abu Dhabi but the UAE as well. A normal PE firm has a minority contribution from the fund manager of 2-5% of the corpus of the fund but the rest of the money is from external investors. In ADUG's case the money is from one client - the ruling family of UAE who own the natural resources of the state so in essence it is more a sovereign wealth fund than a PE firm. A PE firm chases return on investment obsessively while sovereign wealth funds can make 'strategic' investments to raise national prestige or protect national interests. The investment into Manchester City falls into the second category of raising national prestige for Abu Dhabi. Secondly, Etihad is the national airline not of a state (UAE) but an Emirate (Abu Dhabi). Also, Etihad is 100% owned by Sheikh Mansour's brother. Is a brother a related party? I dont know, you tell me.
Deltaforce
Nice work, Delta, nice. Assuming it's all true!
damiano_tommassi
Ha ha, get your knickers out of that twist Delta. Let's wait and see what UEFA has to say about it shall we? I suspect you're going to be a very disappointed boy.
Bluedub
Probably will be disappointing; when was the last time UEFA or FIFA did something that football can be proud of?
damiano_tommassi
I wont be dissapointed either way Bluedub and hey dont get your panties in a bunch worrying about the investigation either.
Deltaforce
Getting British public money? WTF are you on about now? Are you talking about our Stadium? That wouldn't be the stadium that we lease off Manchester City Council for £4m per annum would it?
fifthcolumnblue
I'm not worried in the slightest considering City have consulted with UEFA every step of the way to ensure everything is above board. Not to mention the benchmarks out there, especially in Germany where there is conflicting interest examples in abundance as well as the likes of U*d getting more for their training top sponsor than what Arsenal have for their main shirt sponsor, I'm sorry but what the ***** were Arsenal thinking when they signed that deal with Emirates? Anyhoo, good luck tonight, genuinely do hope you go through.
Bluedub
£4m/annum?? Peanuts. Each home game at Arsenal earns the club something like £3m, so your stadium costs are probably paid for this year already, eh. Not the same as self-finacing a £600m outlay on your own new stadium, is it...
damiano_tommassi
Cheers Bluedub; we really need to get through tonight to turn things around quickly.
damiano_tommassi
FFP Jean-Luc Dehene, chairman of Uefa's Club Financial Control Panel, said: "I have some questions, yes. But it would be dangerous for our authority if we take judgements without facts. If we see clubs that are looking for loopholes we will act. It is not enough to say, 'We've got a sponsorship contract and that's okay' if the contract is out of line."
damiano_tommassi
Well Bluedub some newly minted people do have 'let them eat cake' kind of attitude towards others so let me explain the Emirates deal. Emirates airline is not owned by the brother of our owner so the transaction was done according to the forces of demand and supply. In 2004, the football sponsorship market was nowhere as big as it was today and the deals were done with money coming per year and not in a lumpsum that we required for stadium construction. Emirates agreed to give a lumpsum of 100 million pounds (then a British record sum, now just the till 2021. Not in a position to generate competition with a rival sponsor who could contribute 100 million pounds in one go, we agreed. It may shock you but normal clubs who live by their own means tend to do things this way. Secondly, you did not "consult with UEFA every step of the way" before finalising the sponsorship deal otherwise they wouldn't even bother investigating the deal.
Deltaforce
I feel we shall end up being disappointed by UEFA & FIFA as these are men largely proven to be lacking in integrity. The stakes are so high we can't put anything beyond the interests at play here. I won't hold my breath; it will seem Wenger placed too much reliance on the FFP rule for vindication and it will be very painful when it turns out all different with all the strides we could have made.
Naijagunner
contrary to most of the views here, i believe we maybe heading towards the right direction. we had been dubbed the next best attacking team after barca for years & yet, what did we achieve? there were teams that built from the strength of their defense & they did quite well all these years compared to us, namely chelsea & mu. even inter won the cl through their defensive strength. remember how mourinho played 2 holding midfielders i.e. essien and makelele with lampard and let the natural wingers do the attacking job? if rumours were to be believed, there is a possibility that we could get m'vila who is a dm. then, we would have 3 dm rotating for 2 slots in 4-5-1 formation; song, frimpong & m'vila, playing with wilshere or ramsey or diaby. alternatively, both wilshere & ramsey or diaby could play with one holding dm. i definitely believe wilshere & ramsey are better defensively compared to fab, nasri, rosicky from the middle. with such formation, we would well be ditching our possession tactic & opt for a more efficient one and also rely more on quick counter attack through the flanks instead of being tippy tappy. didn't we demand for these in the last few years? perhaps if we get hazard, we are capable of some sexy football too and at the same time assured that there is a solid shield of 2 very strong dm sitting in front of the back four
Joe_@**
let's hope that UEFA prove themselvs to have more integrity than FIFA, and they actual carry the rules through and enforce them. They were drawn up years ago and have been phased-in slowly, so you would think they'd see it through - otherwise, what was the point?
damiano_tommassi
Delta, we did consult with UEFA lawyers, probably not on exact figures but there was a consultation process. The fact that they said they are investigating is simply a measure to appease as it was clearly stated when the FFP regulations were published that deals of this nature would be investigated.
Bluedub
Damiano, the point could be to pressure clubs using the new FFP regulation but for their own benefit and not the benefit of football as a whole. In many industries there is a regulator as well as a competition commission to discourage monopolisitic behaviour. Football could do with some regulation because its like the wild west right now. Have money, will bully others. Thats the current football climate with oligarchs and benefactors operating here.
Deltaforce
Anything to make the playing field more fair, even and sporting is welcome with me. I do wonder how the FFP rules will work when you consider the way that Real and Barca run their clubs...
damiano_tommassi
It's funny to read that you want to make the rules "fair, even and sporting" after City have overtaken you. Were you asking for the rules to be "fair, even and sporting" when you were signing teenagers from abroad who weren't legally allowed to sign with their senior club until they were 18, but thanks to a loophole in the system could sign with Arsenal? I guess it's only "fair" if you're allowed/able to do it, right?
PhillyBlueMoon
Yes; yes I was. It doesn't seem right for different rules to exist in different countries in that way. And it wasn't "thanks to a loophole in the system could sign with Arsenal" - they could sign with any club in England (possible other countries too) - it's not an Arsenal deal! It's also illegal to tap-up players, but do we think it happens? Shall we ask Samir Nasri?
damiano_tommassi
I'm finding it hard to believe that you were upset with Wenger signing good young talent for next to nothing.
PhillyBlueMoon
Ah, so if Uefa find nothing wrong with the Etihad spnsorship deal it will be because they lack integrity - not because the deal is acceptable. GRIEF!
fifthcolumnblue
Upset is not the right word, PBM; uncomfortable perhaps. It was entirely legal, but not exactly within the spirit of the game. Barca don't seem to have suffered too much, though, eh! As I said earlier (possibly on a different topic), I'm firmly against the financial 'doping' that City and Chelsea have enjoyed but I don't know if I'd still be complaining if it happened at Arsenal or if I'd just enjoy the ride. I'd probably feel the same about it as I do about the 'signing young Barca players' loophole; not illegal, but it's not right, is it.
damiano_tommassi
Fifth, if it's investigated and cleared, then fair play. We've no reason to assume any impropriaty on UEFA's behalf - especially as they haven't even finished their investigation yet!
damiano_tommassi
No? The point is the option was open to any other Manager in England to buy 'good young talent for next to nothing', but most would rather go for quick results instead of the hard work required with honing and exposing the potentials in the young talents.
Naijagunner
If it's investigated and cleared, then UEFA owe every club some clarity and will need to disclose the basis for reaching such a decision as there are a fair few clubs who are able circumvent the rules as well and only held back because they took those fellows more seriously. Like I said, I don't expect much to change because the Abu Dahbi group is very formidable politically and money still has power.
Naijagunner
Football doesn't seem to be run or policed very well at any level does it, to be fair; FIFA, UEFA, FA; the role of agents, tapping-up, rules like those that allow us to sign young Spaniards.
damiano_tommassi
Lads if you do not think your team is in meltdown you are in denial. You haven't won anything for years, every time you get near silverware you choke (Carling Cup the most glaring example), you lose your best to players and your manager admits that if this were to happen you couldn't t regard yourself as a big club, your signings are average to say the least and do not address what evryone can see you need - an imposing centre half, another left back, a real goal scorer and a goalkeeper and no Samir has fone a creative midfielder. In addition your side is so dipirited it gets involved in melees, has two players sent off in two games and has a manager that is so arrogant that he repeatedly gets sent to the stand. Furthermore there appears to be n leaders in the Board room, in the administration or in the team. Finally you have only seven days to determine a transfer policy when to date you have shown a total inabilirt yo make decisions. And that is just for starters!! PS You might well go out of the Champions eague before the group stage because you failed to buy last year. Meltdown is a kind word for the malaise at Arsenal.
Wswilly3
Thanks for the diagnosis Dr Wswilly3. I happen to consider one defeat in the first three games of the season less than 'meltdown'. Get back to me in 10 months.
damiano_tommassi
Your portrayal of your start to the season - now that is denial - and just think if you lose tonight it will be only two defeats all season!
Wswilly3
City and France midfielder Samir Nasri has spoken to our pals at citytv of the impression he has of Manchester City supporters... 'It's a big relief to be honest. It was a long negotiation between the towo clubs and now I'm finally a City player. That's what I wanted since the start so I'm really happy. 'I was a little frustrated. I told manage I wanted to leave as I wanted to do the whole pre season with Manchester and get to know my team mates. 'Today is a big day for me, a new start and I'm looking forward to do it. 'City supporters are really passionate and it reminds me of Marseille. Arsenal have good fans but not that passionate. I remember when we played at City and lost three nil the crowd was amazing. That's what I want...atmosphere. Even the weather is nice when I arrived today. I don't see the difference from London but I am here to play football, to enjoy it and win the title. 'I spoke on holiday with Kolo Toure, Gael Clichy and Patrick Vieira. It was important to have their opinions. Vieira is a legend in France and everyone loves him. 'When he says Manchester City is the place to be and they want to win everything you listen.' Nasri went on to confirm he has been welcomed on the telephone by City Chairman the shrewd Khaldoon Al Mubarak and spoke of his respect for Kun Aguero and David Silva: 'I love this kind of player. They are not tall, like me. They have quick feet and they love to play. When you play with players like this you are always looking to have a connection with them. With YaYa, Dzeko and Tevez if he stays, I just can't wait to play with them! 'In France they call Manchester City The Galacticos as was once said of Real Madrid.' Finally, the quicksilver new Blue spoke of his final game at Arsenal against Liverpool: 'I wanted to play. I am not good at negotiations and I have agents who have the quality to do that. Me, I just want to play. The pre seaosn was hard. I didn't play the last couple of days because the manager wanted to prepare his side for The Premier League. When I saw the discussions continue I told him I wanted to play. I needed competition and promised to stay professional until the end.' Read more: http://www.manchestercity.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=252568#ixzz1Vy6LuEJj
Wswilly3
Willy, you little troll, you probably started supporting City in the last year or two at the most. No way you every went to Maine Road or to Eastlands and you think you know our club? The other City fans here atleast can be heard out because they were here as supporters before your Sheikh elevated you from plain mediocrity but we dont have time for plastic mancs.
Deltaforce
Hi Delta - Istarted watching City in 1955 and have followed them ever since. Sorry you have got things so wrong again.... still you are a distressed Gooner and thATs would test the sanity of most. Have you thought of switching to Spurs as they might be a better chance of getting honours.
Wswilly3
Oh yeah willy apt name that. Anyone can claim that they started supporting a club whenever, this is the internet and you are a keyboard warrior. What gives you away is that if you really started watching City even as a 10 year old in 1955 it would mean you are 66 years old now and for a geriatric old fart you are quite a troll. Less trolling and more viagra may keep you less frustrated.
Deltaforce
Do you fancy spending some of that 23m on SWP and Santa? two players you could sorely use hell we might even chuck in Bellers as a free gift!
markmcfc
lol willy you miserable old coffin dodger don't take it out on us cos the nurse shouted at you for fouling the bed again. @ markmcfc just cos we rip you blind (72 mill lol candy from Abu Dhabi pffft - maybe Mansour will offer 50 mill for Abou Diaby because well it sounds like Abu Dhabi and remind sheikh of great times in palatial motherland?) for our cast offs doesn't mean to say all clubs operate that way ye dig? We want hungry passionate footballers not bored avararicious millionaire oil wh0re puppets. Thanks for thinking of us though.
nikolaijns
These Citeh fan are pathetic. They actually take pride in the fact that they had to spend obscene amount of someone elses money for several seasons to finish above us for one season and win their first trophy in 35 years. You would think they would wait til they won the league before they started bragging but perhaps they are scared that might never happen. Reminds me of the Spuds fans, they both have a small club mentality as they are not used to having much success. Enjoy being in pot 3 for the CL draw, lets hope you get Dortmund, Milan and Barca in your group so you can show us how great your team really is.
bowiecokemirror
I hope we get them trams too bcm. Who's bragging btw? We're just enjoying the ride.:)
Bluedub
markmcfc ,there was a time when those three players were very popular at your club, and you were desperate to get them in and playing. Didn't you lose SWP to the riches of Chelsea, who ruined his career? Like MCFC have done with so many quality players? Ireland was your player of the year wasn't he, and looked real good - until your club sold its soul...
damiano_tommassi
Santa Cruz was never popular DT. Vast majority of City fans were *****ed off by Hughes pursuit of him. Stephen Ireland let his one good season go to his head and didn't have the right work ethic, his falling out of favour at City was of his own doing, what has he done since? What quality players have had their career ruined by City?
Bluedub
I thought Ireland had come through the youth team, ended one season as player of the year, and was somehwere else the next season; as opposed to getting all 'big-time Charlie' - is that not how it happened? He's done nothing since, but how could he? It's like us flogging Ashley Cole to Watford after his first good season; not famous enough at the time for a big club to take him on, you need your home club to look after you. Runed careers? Obviously I use the word "ruined" playfully, but in some cases it's not far off the mark. people with big futures discarded in favour of big names. Wayne Bridge... SWP (second time around)... Micah Richards... Bellamy... Shay Given (seriously, ZERO appearances last year??)... Adebayor (thanks for that one, BTW!)... Corluka... Distin...
damiano_tommassi
I thought Ireland had come through the youth team, ended one season as player of the year, and was somehwere else the next season; as opposed to getting all 'big-time Charlie' - is that not how it happened? He's done nothing since, but how could he? It's like us flogging Ashley Cole to Watford after his first good season; not famous enough at the time for a big club to take him on, you need your home club to look after you. Runed careers? Obviously I use the word "ruined" playfully, but in some cases it's not far off the mark. people with big futures discarded in favour of big names. Wayne Bridge... SWP (second time around)... Micah Richards... Bellamy... Shay Given (seriously, ZERO appearances last year??)... Adebayor (thanks for that one, BTW!)... Corluka... Distin...
damiano_tommassi
Aston Villa fans won't be happy with the Watford comparison mate. Ireland was rewarded for his performances by being given a new lucrative contract and since he signed it he didn't try a leg. Mancini gave him every opportunity including making him captain for preseason last year but he failed to take his chance, preferring instead to ***** and moan when he didn't get picked or was subbed Mancini had enough and got rid. Bridge? Obviously came for the money. SWP? Chelsea ruined him. Richards? Regular City RB and should be England RB given his performances last season. Bellamy? Caused problems for ,Mancini from the minute he walked in the door, not happy with the fact that his mate Hughes was replaced, despite his ***** stirring City still massively subsidised a loan move to his boyhood club so he could fulfil a lifetime ambition. Given? Got injured couldn't replace the leagues best keeper when he came back, got his move to Watford, sorry I mean Villa and still has a number of years left ahead of him in his career. Adebayor? Do I really need to say anything here? Corluka? Forced his way out of the club because he wanted to go play with his bosom buddy Modric at Spurs and Distin? Put in a transfer request because he wanted to play at a club that had chance of winning trophies and so joined Portsmouth. I don't see much ruining going on but obviously I'm biased.
Bluedub
Watford are a decent club... hopefully no-one will get too upset! So did Ireland stay beyond pre-season, did he actual get to play for you 'properly' following his POTYear? Bridge - money, but still ruined. SWP - Chelsea definitely played the bigger part, yeah! Richards semeed to be the next big thing five years ago and go off the boil. Will he be your RB this year - is there anyone in front of him (with a foreign name and massive transfer fee)? Did Boateng go back to germany? bellamy always was a mouthy **************... People were whining just last night that we should have bought Given - as if he's any better than WS (Hehehe: Watford Villa...). Ade's another Bellamy... I think the best club for ruining footballers has to be Everton, historically - but Chelsea and City are getting there! i think it's down to the immediacy of money - clubs with money are expected, almost forced to keep buying. Left-back has a bad month? but another. nad it forces people to leave who might otherwise have got a chance. Akin to the old 'too many foreigners so young English players don't play' - isn't that what appened with Micah? First choice, Corluka turned up, and he had to wait for his chance again?
damiano_tommassi
Watford are a decent club... hopefully no-one will get too upset! So did Ireland stay beyond pre-season, did he actual get to play for you 'properly' following his POTYear? Bridge - money, but still ruined. SWP - Chelsea definitely played the bigger part, yeah! Richards semeed to be the next big thing five years ago and go off the boil. Will he be your RB this year - is there anyone in front of him (with a foreign name and massive transfer fee)? Did Boateng go back to germany? bellamy always was a mouthy **************... People were whining just last night that we should have bought Given - as if he's any better than WS (Hehehe: Watford Villa...). Ade's another Bellamy... I think the best club for ruining footballers has to be Everton, historically - but Chelsea and City are getting there! i think it's down to the immediacy of money - clubs with money are expected, almost forced to keep buying. Left-back has a bad month? but another. nad it forces people to leave who might otherwise have got a chance. Akin to the old 'too many foreigners so young English players don't play' - isn't that what appened with Micah? First choice, Corluka turned up, and he had to wait for his chance again?
damiano_tommassi
Ireland was still there for another season after his POTY, the season in which Mancini came in halfway through for Hughes, he had already fallen out of favour with Hughes (because of his attitude) before Mancini came in. Bridge his own doing surely, no? Micah featured regularly when Sven brought Corluka in, he was used at CB a bit that season too but he did seem to go off the boil when Hughes took over, since Mancini has come in he's got Richards back to his best. He will be first choice RB just as he was for the majority of last season and yes Boateng went to Bayern. Obviously some players are going to lose out when the club is in a position to bring in quality players to compete for places. All part of the transition which is more or less done now, this type of transfer activity won't continue now, well at least I don't believe it will.
Bluedub
Ah right, fair enough. he was the one with three dead grandmothers, wasn't he? bridge I don't know, presumably if City didn't sign more left-backs he'd still be playing, possibly for England too, no? It's always more exciting to see a crop of youngsters come through, which of course is more likely at poorer clubs. Good thing Everton are always broke, eh!
damiano_tommassi
That's what I'm hoping with City over the next 4-5 years that we will see the young players that are being brought into our Academy develop into first teamers. We seem to be buying a lot of foreign kids at the moment, something similar to Arsenal's model it seems. The Sheikh emphasised the importance of a good youth academy when he first took over so hopefully he stays true to his word because what we are doing now in the transfer Market is obviously not sustainable long term. I feel for Everton, they are a good club in a sorry situation but you're right they have produced some good youngsters over the past few years through necessity. I'd like them even more if they didn't keep taking all three points off us everytime we played them.
Bluedub
That's the thing with academies at the very top level though - you (want to) pack them with the best young talent from around the world, looking for a Fabregas. Can't argue with it, but it's not the most productive thing for the national side. not that I care about this England side - too many scumbags in it. Definitely feel for Everton; the manager working miracles every year, but htey seem stuck in a 20-year rut.
damiano_tommassi
Recommend you go on the Man City official site and then press the city tv tab (its free - City look after their supporters) There are two interviews with that great player Samir Nasro who really pans the Arsenal fans and explains why he wants to join a club that will win things. A good watch is guarenteed you desperate Gooners.
Wswilly3
I read some of his quotes; I understand why he's p1ssed-off at us gooners, to be fair; as I saw it, someone put in a bid or him, he never said anything bad about the club, and suddenly message boards/phone-ins/twitter had all sorts of Arsenal 'fans' slagging him off and telling him to leave. Not our finest hour. But anyway, thanks for proving one of my favourite sayings, Wswilly3; you can't buy class.
damiano_tommassi
I disagree we have bought class and it is Arsenal that can't buy class... that is your problem in a nutshell. By the way I am very classy as well.
Wswilly3
Not 'class' players, Willy, your own personal class. Coming on an Arsenal board after a sadly protracted and unhappy transfer and saying 'read Nasri's quotes you desparate gooners' is not a classy move. You're letting down the other City fans who have posted on this topic and shown actual class.
damiano_tommassi
Wayne Bridge? Big future? LMFAO! Perhaps as a backing singer in the Saturdays. SWP is just not good enough anymore sadly, and he has been given the option to leave if he wants to - but has also been given the option to stay. Micah Richards is our first choice RB, don't know how that's ruined his career? Bellamy's gob and dodgy knees ruined his career, why do you think the man has ever only stayed about 18months at any particular club? Shay Given chose to stay when he could have forced a move in January - Joe Hart (remember him? England's No1?) ruined his career, not us. I don't even need to mention Adebayor, as you have first hand experience of what a pratt he is. Corlucka? Nope, he ruined his own career by choosing to go to Spuds, home of the twelvty million mediocre right backs. Distin left for Pompey, his choice, not ours. So sorry mate, your argument falls flat on each and every one of the points you've tried to raise. Perhaps you'd like to suggest Michael Johnson (as one of your ever so knowledgeable posters on the forums has done) as an example of Big Bad City ruining people's careers, despite the fact that we retained him for over three seasons in which he suffered a ruptured cruciate ligament amongst other serious injuries. Can I ask a favour - if you are going to spout nonsense about other people's clubs, why don't you restrict yourself to Spurs? At least some of it might be true.
fifthcolumnblue
Damiano but you guys are despeate. You in all lklihood will be bottom of the league, not having scored a goal and with a manager that cannot bear to spend any money on established players as he is so desperate to win things by developing the players himself. Yep i would be desperate if I was a Gooner and as for the Nasri quotes they are evidence of reality not of rival supporters hyperbole. His latest is that he joined City because of his ambition. I am sorry if you see it as lack of class to tell the truth but thats life I am afraid.
Wswilly3
FCB I just love your comments hehehe
niteworlok
Fifth, easy up there! It's not a fight, it's a disucssion - it's not an 'argument that falls flat', I asked a city fan some questions, and got some good answers. The whole conversation actually started with "Didn't you lose SWP to the riches of Chelsea, who ruined his career?", so I'm not sure you're reading these posts in the spirit (or language) in which they're written.
damiano_tommassi
Wswilly3; who's desperate for what, now? Eh? "You in all lklihood will be bottom of the league" based on... not finsihing lower than fourth for a thousand years? "a manager that cannot bear to spend any money on established players" - like Ajax captain Vermaelen/Russia captain Arshavin/French league winner Gervinho? Not sure what you're getting at. There's a difference between 'telling the truth' and being deliberately obnoxious; for example, you could have said "have you read the nasri quotes?" without labelling all Arsenal fans desperate, as you did. That difference is class. It doesn't make it truth simply because you want to believ eit's true! I'm not desperate, concerned or fearful for this season; I can't wait to watch it all unfold. So it's not truth, mate, it's just a word you've thrown out there and applied to every Arsenal fan indiscriminately.
damiano_tommassi
Damiano . Good on you, you still argue without real rancour or without resorting to swearing even when slightly riled. As you say let the season unfold and it should be fascinating watching the opium of the people. Still believe you need to buy some real names in the next few days including a centre half, a creative midfielder and a goal scoring centre forward. When I say names I mean people of the ilk of Kaka, Schweinsteiger, Rossi and Jagielka or Cahill. These types have skill and the heart for a fight not like Arshavin, Rosiscky etc who tellingly didnt even make the starting line up last night. The only half decent player you bought was Vermaelen .... the rest wouldn't even get in our reserves. Anyway have a good season and best of luck for the weekend..... we can both dream!!!!
Wswilly3
Cheers Willy.

Hoping for a good game on Sunday, whichever way it goes. And we have done better recently in the bigger games, so you never know...
damiano_tommassi
 

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