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Arteta's a Gooner!

As the transfer window slams shut Arsenal conduct what is probably one of the most important pieces of business in signing Everton's Mikel Arteta.

News broke earlier this evening that Wenger wanted Mikel at the Grove, and after tense talks he finally got his man.

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The Journalist

Writer: Rocky7 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday August 31 2011

Time: 11:15PM

Your Comments

YES!
Will-i-am10
GET IN!!!! Big fan of this bloke.
codchops
I believe this will be the difference in finishing 4th for us.
gunnerkid107
Should be a quality signing, all in all a good night's work
deaduncleted
Finally someone not afraid to shoot at the goal !
Will-i-am10
Also, we signed five players in the past two days, three will be starters. And the total cost for all five is less than Andy Carrol.
gunnerkid107
Arteta cost only two million more than Stoke paid for Palacios!
Rocky7
arsenal.com has crashed since the arteta announcement
Will-i-am10
I must say Arteta definitely has the injury record to make him most at home at the emirates.
Will-i-am10
What a deadline Day bit of business! (Wenger, please consider my heart next time you choose to leave things this late). Not bad as he can fill in for the marquee signing we need and judging from Wilshere's tweet, the players will like this too.
Naijagunner
Will-i-am10, I thought that was my PC at fault there! Lol!!
Naijagunner
Big up all the behind the scenes transfer wombles, well earned lie in for you all tomorrow. What a rollercoaster day.
nikolaijns
Site is back up and running!
ajwb
Wow, so you ***** up your season, then you decide to ***** up ours? Thankyou. I think it is safe to say this will make every Evertonian depressed today, was a real fan favourite and to replace him with no-one is a *****ing outrage.
Rob-EFC
Sorry Rob, noone here takes any pleasure from your pain mate.
nikolaijns
You got that bad and uglier lookalike of Tevez didnt you? :)
ajwb
I feel sorry for Everton Rob (always had a soft spot for the Toffees) but that's football. It's been happening to us on a regular basis for years. So we know how it feels.
Rocky7
Scant consolation but at least you haven't had relentless crowing and tapping up from lowlifes like xavi, pique and that curly haired metalhead looking grunt taking the p155 out of your club and never missing an opportunity to grind you down.
nikolaijns
Sorry to hear how you feel Rob..trust me , we went through that two weeks ago.....
Sajit
Haha, Arsenal.com has crashed again! Simply cannot handle signings of this magnitude! Oh well, this has got me amped for the season again! 8-2, what 8-2???
BergGunner
Condolences to Everton fans. We know how it feels guys. Arteta is a class player and as long as he remains fit, will add quality to our starting 11.
Deltaforce
moyes made a very prompt decision to release arteta when he knows the player wanted to leave. it took him probably less than an hour to give his consent. why couldnt wenger do the same with fab & nasri?
Joe_@**
To all or any gunner fans I may have upset over the past years or months sorry. My only excuse is I love this club with a passion. After the humiliation, and I've had a few of those in my days on planet Earth none has compared to that. But I am hoping a new dawn is now awaking, and as Martin Keown said with respect the Boss knows what he is doing. I hope and trust the Boss does not leave us but lead us on to new heights. Lets get back into this fight and crunch some of these teams who have had a laugh at our expense and win one trophy this year. Always a gunner trill I die.
alwaysgunner
Joe_@** lets put that behind us now...
BergGunner
The best news of the day though is that the ***** Garthside really blew it! We,or someone else, will now get Cahill for peanuts in January or free next summer. Don't see him signing a new contract with them when he has only 1 year left and knows he will get better paid where ever he decides to go. As for the signings what excides me most is the total turnaround in approach and i wonder who forced that. All the players we bought or leased in the last 2 days are 26 or over! All exsperienced and 3 of them captains. Hopefully no more collapses when 2 or 4 nil up and no spring depression.
Armory
alwaysgunner you have every right to be p155 off at them. I for one have not forgiven what has happened and it will take a hell of a lot more to convince me. I will wait and see if there is now a positive change in tactics but we have taken a big step in the right direction IMO.
Armory
I think this could be a brilliant bit of business if he can stay fit. I really rate the guy, his passing and vision is up there with the best in the league not too bad at dribbling and shooting either. He could end up leaving you wondering why you never sold Cesc and got him a couple of years ago.
TheFamousNo7
A real threat from set-pieces also.
TheFamousNo7
Looks like the 8-2 thrashing has turned out to be a blessing in disguise for u.
Dannism
Obviously pleased. Another marque signing would have been absolutely brilliant. Now we have a stronger squad, it's down to the coaching staff to sort the friggin' defence out and generally how we play without the ball. Get that bit right, make us more difficult to beat, and we'll fight for the top 4 again and maybe win a cup.
Gooner_Vin
While i appreciate the deals made, why did we have to wait so long and get trashed before acting decisively? We have wasted 7 points now and this league is not getting easier. Not making the top 4 will cost us more than these players. The club needs to get it together. Our whole approach to transfers is flawed and we are made to look like incompetent operators.
Gael-Force
Not happy at Bendtner leaving. We never got to see him play in his favoured central position, always stuck on some right wing when he's clearly not a winger by a long way. I'd be annoyed if he starts banging in the goals for SUnderland although we would get a good fee for him next year. Chamack needs to come out of his funk and look dangerous again.
Gael-Force
Arteta is deadly from set pieces and can take a corner .... Arsenal ... taking good corners ... with a six foot six beast in the box .... unheard of!
Rocky7
Now that we've added good, experienced professionals to the squad, just makes me think that had we done this 4-5 years ago, we might have won something and Cesc may have stayed. The way I see it now though is that Gervinho has replaced Nasri and Jack will replace Cesc. Ramsey will be a great player in my opinion. And if Miyaichi can be the read deal as his spell in Holland promises, then we may yet have another exciting team on our hands. One thing we know is that Wenger loves exciting, technical players playing good football. Hopefully he's realised we need more of an all round game.
Gooner_Vin
Good read - http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/oliver-holt/Oliver-Holt-Manchester-United-Arsenal-8-2-Dont-write-off-Arsene-Wenger-article793401.html
Gooner_Vin
top player i was shouting for us to get him if we did sell modders he will make a huge difference to your team calm on the ball top passing and a total beast fom dead ball situations a vey good piece of work by arsene not sure about mertesacker i dont think hes as good as been said by the media but time will tell i look forwad to the derbies now as you have a proper team again
jljyid
In as much as it pains me to say it u guyz have made some astute and quality signings there esp. Arteta and Santos.
Dannism
Thanks Dannism and we are glad it pains you to say so!
Deltaforce
It is a radical overhaul of our team. Its the 4th generation squad under the manager's tenure. To suit the nature of the new team which will be more direct and less possession based, wonder if we will revisit the highline taken by the defence currently. With possession shared more equally with our opponents there will be more opportunities for opposition strikers to get behind our defence and thats one aspect to mull over for the coaching team.
Deltaforce
Funny to see Wenger shopping in the clear- out sale like everyone else! So..Benayoun? Well, he has shown glimpses but this is now his third move in a short space of time, which means he is rapidly turning into a journeyman footballer. Has talent, and an injury record to match. If Liverpool ******** get much out of him, what makes Wenger think he can? Arteta? He'll be a good signing IF he can keep injury free. Mertesacker? Why not Cahill? Young, strong, not prohibitively expensive and English. ENGLISH! Ahh...say no more then! On the whole, however, Wenger's actions in this window have basically shown that he is prepared to relax his crazy scheme and become more pragmatic. Time will tell if it's not already too late, but at least he has given himself a glimmer of a hope.
Tony Rocky Horror
Delta Im not to sure if it will be less possession based. With Jack and Arteta we have 2 players that can spray the passes and keep ball. to me the biggest change is the age of the new players. No raw talent there, all estaplised players if not in the EPL then in theyr national teams. That to me looks like he has gone for players that can help us close out games and when ahead keep ball and step up a gear when needed, exsactly what we have been lacking in recent years.
Armory
How is Kaka settling in at White *****e Lane tony?
Armory
Must say you got the 'not prohibitively expensive' Cahill on the cheap Tony. What a signing by the tax dodger.
Deltaforce
Playing the English card....Where does Oxlade Chamberlain come from? Gibbs, Walcott, Wilshere.......A Very British Ramsey, Jenkinson and Frimpong wanted by the U21's. The English card isn't gonna cut it anymore im afraid Grandad.
iceman10
Armory, you have a good point about Jack and Arteta but overall we have more runners with the ball than passers now. I suspect posession will decrease and there will be more physical battles too between us and the opposition now. Our current team has more in common with the 2001-2002 team than the one in 2006-2007.
Deltaforce
True about the runners and also our defence looks more like our defence of the old now. We are much better set up now for a "scrap" than we where before and there is now much much more leader ship in the squad. only worry I have now is with Benthner (worlds best striker) gone on a year loan we will be thin on the ground upfront when RvP gets his annual injury.
Armory
Not only can Arteta hit a free kick with his right, so can Santos with his left.
Little Dutch
TRH - If Redknapp, the perennial overspender, thinks Cahill was too expensive, then why makes you think the price was right. Plus not only is Mertesacker cheaper, but he's better and more experienced. With regards to the "English" snipe, we've currently got Jenkinson, Walcott, Wilshere, Gibbs, Oxlade-Chamberlain & Frimpong in the wings for the england set up .... who have Spurs got now they've cleared out all their s***? Jermaine Defoe? and a psychedelic penguin? Yeah, future of English football right there.
Rocky7
Would've preferred Jagielka (& I think he was AW's 1st choice) but prefer Mertesacker to Cahill, no question. Arteta (who took a paycut to join us), Benayoun, & the youngsters - all great signings. Have seen Chu at Monaco last year only a handful of times but looked good. For now will remain silent about Santos because I don't want to spoil the party. Let's just say I don't join in the optimism. But overall we go into the season at least with a fighting chance now. BTW, re Arteta's free kick ability-sometime around February the Guardian published a piece about how Moyes had to take him off free kick duty because he was totally out of form. Let's hope he's rediscovered it. Free kicks or not, he's a terrific player to sign with the added value of being PL experienced. Benayoun too (who I've always liked & thought unfairly underrated).
jaelle
jaelle - You're Brazillian right? Let's hear your genuine opinions on Santos .... come on, we're all big boys and girls, we can handle it :)
Rocky7
Neither Arteta, nor Benayoun are in the same class as the players they are meant to be replacing, ie Nasri and Fabregas, but are both decent players who will steady the ship and give you some decent options. Mertesacker is a beast, and you will ship far fewer goals now, especially if you can pair him with Vermaelen. Don't know much about Santos or Chu, but once again, at least you now have options in places where your squad was a bit threadbare. One thing that strikes me though, is that the reaction of the Arsenal fans to these arrivals is probably a bit overly positive out of shear relief that you've filled some gaps. The players you'd all have really liked, such as hazard, Mata, Goetze and M'Vila were all obtainable if Wenger had acted earlier and more decisively, and I can't help but feel that most Arseanl fans would have been disappointed with Benayoun and Arteta if they'd been anything other than last-minute stop gaps.
fifthcolumnblue
Apart from the signings, Arsenal did something this summer which is probably just as important: cleared out a LOT of players & freed up the wage bill. We either sold, released or loaned out about 20 players and freed up approx £8m. In coming months the club's going to be busy trying to tie down RVP, Theo & Verma to new contracts and will need the money.
jaelle
All obtainable by Wenger? Aside from the fact that we had a report £35M bid for Gotze knocked back yesterday? All the players you listed would have been awesome, but ultimately, they're all still very young players. We can't compete with the sugar daddy clubs anymore, our sights have been reset. And instead on emplying mecanaries like Adebayor and Nasri, we've bought proper professionals who know how to win games. Needless to say, all the players we've bought this week have captain either their country or their club.
Rocky7
fifthcolumn, you are spot-on. It's more relief than anything. AW definitely had better targets but it wasn't only his failings but the Board's that resulted in us failing to get his preferred targets. Everyone at the club's management/ownership level is to blame for the scattergun incompetence of this summer's transfer activity (or lack of). I mean, you had our head scout Dick Law spending a ridiculous amount of time in Costa Rica for a young inexperienced forward (Campbell) whose work permit could very well have been denied- and was in fact denied. So he's out on loan for a season, we can't even use him. This is not the squad of our dreams-it just gives us a fighting chance.
jaelle
I doubt that the wage bill has been freed up that much if at all and the clear out had much to do with squad restrictions and a certain pragmatism. Bendtner and Denilson were unlikely to realise their true value having played so little over the last couple of seasons playing regularly elsewhere might help us realise more for them next summer with a reasonable amount of unexpired time of their contracts than we could get this summer. If so that's good commercial thinking by the much maligned Arsenal decision makers.
Amos.
I still maintain that you'd have been underwhelmed by these signings if they had occurred earlier in the window, and whilst they are good players, neither of them is anything other than a short term attempt at filling some spaces in the squad. Most gooners I've spoken to, and quite a few on Vital Arsenal have been asking why Wenger took so long to do his business, and out of that list of players I mentioned, how many of them moved club to a sugar-daddy owned club? None of them. perhaps Goetze would have been stepping out in that splendid sky blue and black away kit against Manure if Arsenal had pursued him in July instead of waiting until 10pm on deadline day?
fifthcolumnblue
fcb yrs we are great;y relieved having endured a summer of hell. We were massively fannied around by barca regarding cesc and na$tis lizard of an agent in both of those deals. Yes in an ideal world one of the players mentioned would have materialised but they didn't and I trust the club went up to what they felt was realistic offerwise and I'm sure many clubs said 'not for sale' as they undoubtably have all summer. We have had sod all to cheer about all summer long which has extended into the start of the season so excuse us if we're being a bit more chipper today. I can't remember 5 players coming in on one day before and I am overall very stisfied that we have greatly strengthened our squad with direly needed experiemce.
nikolaijns
Short term signings was exactly what we needed though we'll have a MF of Jack, Ramsey and Frimpong that will rule Arsenals future. So Wenger has been guilty of misplaced trust in players that have let him down there are worse crimes, that drubbing was the final wake up call to him and if it needed to happen to make him realise then better late than never.
nikolaijns
FCB, replacing Fabregas was very difficult and clubs who have players with great talent were understandably eager to keep those players. Your comments about the availability of some players is more a punt and a guess than anything else. Why didn't any other club get Hazard or Goetze? Mata was available yes and we moved in early for him as well only for Chelsea to double our wage over to the player and reportedly offer Valencia 5 million euros more than we did. Sometimes moving early for some players doesn't matter if another club just comes in with far more money. Robinho to City is another example of that. Chelsea moved in early but were pipped to the post by City who were then an unknown quantity in Europe having never played in the CL before. Secondly Benayoun is not the replacement for Nasri. Gervinho is.
Deltaforce
Rocky, Arshavin has captained his national team for years & he's never shown much leadership. As for Santos...here's our last memory of him in our national team (go to minute 4:29 or thereabouts, 3rd German goal) - this was on August 10 of this year in Stuttgart in a friendly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opsW8tC1nCM . And here's the reaction toward Arsenal signing him on an English language Brazil national team blog: http://brazil.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/andre-santos-moves-to-arsenal.html . We have much better LBs than Santos- for the 1st time in eons, he hasn't been called up for our upcoming friendly v. Ghana to be held at Fulham's stadium on Monday-Marcelos has FINALLY been recalled and we're all very relieved. At best Santos should be our 3rd choice LB. At Flamengo, Corintians (I saw him play mostly on those teams, only a few Fener games) and Atletico Mineiro he won domestic trophies and helped Mineiro get promoted to Serie A. He's a very nice guy, good character, team player, eager to please, hard worker, puts in the effort, keeps his head down. Lord knows we need players with those qualities. He scores more goals than Clichy and is a better crosser. But like Clichy he's prone to lapses in concentration, is not a very good passer and is pretty limited overall. Average. I wish you could've read the reaction of Brazilian pundits on my TL when news first broke-they just expect Arsenal to sign better quality. I expect he'll be ok at home games, frustrating in away games. Naturally I sincerely hope he'll prove me wrong but I like other Brazilian gooners are not optimistic.
jaelle
Don't get me wrong folks, I don't think you've bought badly at all - with these signings I think you will comfortably see off the likes of Tottingham and Liverpool to retain a top-4 spot again this season - I just don't think you've bought as well as you could have done. Still, all the better for my team!
fifthcolumnblue
Just because you have had your reality skewed by being able to spend billions of pounds on massive wages and transfers fees has little to no effect on how we feel about our players other than we have to wait until the last minute because a) if we do it early one of the sugar daddy clubs jump in and get our man (has happened countless times) ... and b) we have to wait for you lot to finish f***ing up the transfer market before we choose who to buy. Lemme ask you this ... would you have been happy with Park, Santos, Mertesacker, Benayoun and Arteta coming to your club in one single day before your playboy arrived? Of course you would ... because let's face it, you're just a midtable club who struck it lucky. Without your Sheik and your council house you would be nowhere. I don't begrudge City fans their luck, because if anyone has earned it it's you lot, but you're not seeing straight anymore, your world is not real. We have to deal with reality, and our reality is that we've signed some excellent professionals, and leaders and that is exactly what we need right now.
Rocky7
agree with deltaforce that we may be in a transition of tactical change, for good may i add. remember those days we hit our opponent with only 5 passes from end to end? we were the deadliest team in counter attack until we start buying players like hleb and play 50 passes just to get hit by the opposition with 1 long ball.
Joe_@**
fifthcolumn, we definitely missed out on Jagielka and Mata. But Goetze was never really an option - Dortmund was never going to sell to anyone nor does the player want to leave. And if selling/releasing/loaning out 20 players doesn't help relieve the wage bill then fine, whatever. *rolls eyes* Arsenal decision-makers are much maligned because they've earned it.
jaelle
It's the equivolent of a tramp who didn't have any shoes winning the lottery and going up to some guy in his Aramani loafers and saying "you can't really be happy with those Nike running shoes"
Rocky7
Still don't understand why so many people are criticising things they know nothing about... I keep seeing the word 'incompetent' thrown at the management and people saying that 'if we had done X in July we'd be fine now'. We all saw that a shedload of deals were done at the last minute - by all clubs, not just Arsenal - and that many deals were dependant on other players moving first. So can we stop with the unfounded insults and aggression?

As for the signings, Arteta will probably get 2 years with us and Yossi just a season, while Ramsey and Wilshere settle and grow into the team - so fair enough, short-term players for us (mostly to shut people up, I think, rather than Wenger seeing a need). Park's worth taking a punt on for 3m... The left-back I know nowt about, but I'm sure he'll do a job - again, while Gibbs and others are given the chance to bed-in. Per I'm not sure about; he just seems far too slow - another Senderos (bless 'im)...
damiano_tommassi
How many brain cells does it take to conclude that Benayoun isn't a long term signing??? He's on a year's loan - from a sugar daddy club. Arteta has a 4 year deal which is surprising for Arsenal as it takes him past his 33rd birthday and the usual practice is only to offer deals until the season players pass their 32nd. But he does have the stats to help plug the immediate creative deficit by Cesc's departure and on terms that won't prevent us from attracting other options next season or the season after that - if and when they are truly obtainable - even if he does hang around. Seems to me the club has taken care of business as much as it can now without sacrificing their ability to take advantage of realistic opportunities in the future.
Amos.
Lol damiano and you know more about those things than the rest of us? fact is that Monaco was relegated last season = Park awaileble erlier. Merts in the last year of his contract so ditto awaileble erlier. Arteta Everton broke should not have been to much of an effort to price him away in June once it was known that Cesc was leaving. There we have three players that could have been in the team last Sunday and added much needed exsperience to our team. Buying them erlier would problably have added a few million on the price...or not. But it's not like we are skint is it? All 5 signings are good IMO and will add much needed exsperience to the team.
Armory
Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the 2011 analogy of the year award, and the winner is (drumroll) Rooockky 7!! for his mansour city / tramps shoes effort!
nikolaijns
Armory, my point was exactly the opposite of what you're saying; none of us know. It's like me telling everyone here that you're crap at your job - how the hell would I know?

Amos, is that a dig at me?? Don't see the need mate, I'm saying, he's obviously a short-term stand in while other players grow. Jesus...
damiano_tommassi
This is true armoury but it doesn't take into account Abramovich FC and mansour city, the two cheating kids at school always looking over Arsenals' shoulder trying to copy their results. Arteta was done in 5 hrs because it was deadline day, had we approached in July heres how it'd have played out, artetas agent would have made it public Arsenal were interested to drum up other interest and get a better deal for his client and more importantly himself. £iteh go huh? Wengers' interested? phone up artetas agent and say we'll offer you your own personal funfair, a jacuzzi in each room of the mansour mansion of your own choice and 75 virgins that have never even heard of manchester before. Arteta and agent agree and Arsenal gazzumped again. Arteta gets to play 2 games then when he doesn't score a hat trick in either gets loaned to Luton indefinitely, not overly fussed as he no longer cares about football and still has 57 virgins to plough through.
nikolaijns
"Still don't understand why so many people are criticising things they know nothing about... I keep seeing the word 'incompetent' thrown at the management and people saying that 'if we had done X in July we'd be fine now'." Damiano IF we had done "X" in June we would for sure be better off. We lacked creativity against Newcastle and Udinese and same against Liverpool. Thats where Arteta comes in. As for our defence and attack RvP banned for the first game against the italians. Manure game? ffs gimme a break those 3 players would have made a big difference exspecially Mert and Arteta. Most of the ire here has been aimed at the management for not acting sooner and getting the players in as it was known what our needs where and as I pointed out the 3 players could have been added erlier, that is assuming they had been identafied as targets....if not then they are no more than panic buys because our 1 ans 2 level targets could not be got.
Armory
Lol Niko! Rocky that analogy was hilarious.
Deltaforce
nik none of these buys are stellar names and I doupt that Man*****ty or chelsky would have been wetting them selfs at the prospect of Arteta or Merts being awaileble. Assuming that those teams would go after every player we want is a bit paranoid.
Armory
don't kid yourself mate, they'd buy them not because they need them but just to spite us, they stockpile players that's what they do, chelski loaning a player to Arsenal? not a kid but a full international? unheard of. Why is this? because these two clubs have a surplus of players.
nikolaijns
Just a quick note to say thank Dennis we dodged the bullet that is Scott Dann, I cannot believe he was anything more than a scent thrower. Having watched him 'interviewed' last night he is such a simpleton. Like a clothed meerkat in the headlights of a safari jeep.
nikolaijns
Not a dig at you at all DT (I hadn't previously thought of you as the sensitive type!). I really had fifthcolumnblue more in mind after he'd helpfully informed us 'neither of them is anything other than a short term attempt at filling some spaces in the squad'. In Benayoun's case at least that has to be straight from the bleedin' obvious box. Given that there were spaces in the squad it's really just a matter of whether they were sensible short term fillers in the absence of any genuinely obtainable long term solutions (which we may have already anyway). All things considered I think they were and we've still kept a bit more than our original stake money with which to stay at the table.
Amos.
Then why did they not gazzump those players on the night? And gervinho? PAHHH no. In Mata's case they went for him because his is a young and super class player thats where they gazzump us not on signings like Arteta and Merts.
Armory
Armory, Nik's making a good point; there is a long list of players that Arsenal have wanted going back many years only for other clubs to 'nick' them at the last minute. This could be one reason why many deals were left so late; avoiding bringing them to the attention of other clubs and starting a bidding war. If we had bid for Merts and Arteta six months ago, who's to say that their agents wouldn't have been on the phone to other clubs saying 'Arsenal want him for 10m - do you want to top that?' and the targets ending up at other clubs? Would we be better off with Arteta and Merts at City, for example? And how do we know that Arsenal haven't been putting in bids for these players for months that were rejected?

Not sure we missed that much creativity against Udine, in amongst our three goals... and any lacking against Newc and Liver was surely caused by a decimated squad still in the treatment room leaving the reserves to play, lack of confidence and (most importantly) red cards?

Anyway, my main point is that "I pointed out the 3 players could have been added erlier" is an assumption. I imagine you probably assume that they weren't bought in June because 'Arsene's been haggling over the price for two months', no? We don't know if that's true or not. unless you know something the rest of us don't; oh, I get it - you're on the board!
damiano_tommassi
After the gangster bought chelski he was renowned for it armory, ponceing our targets on the regular, why invest in a scouting network when you can employ a couple of people to keep tabs on Arsenal then come steaming in and slam the blood roubles on the table? The fact mansour city have now taken 4 players off us now speaks volumes of their intentions, they want to buy their way to the footballing excellence we have achieved, Vieira should be coaching at Arsenal but has chosen to take the petro dollar and run with it, he tapped up na$ti there's just too many things going on for it not to ne a concerted effort at destabilising Arsenal one of the competition, it's just what you do without thinking twice in the ugly souldead world of big business.
nikolaijns
Niko - "thank Dennis"! Hahahaha!
damiano_tommassi
Why didn't chavski gazzump us on the night for Arteta armory? possibly because they had already gazzumped our prime target this summer in Mata?
nikolaijns
When would you have wanted the club to have given up on trying to get their primary targets and turn to secondary ones? At the beginning of the transfer window? And if then we find that if we'd waited a little longer we might have got our primary targets would you have applauded the club for filling the space with a secondary one? It makes sense to wait as long as you can before turning to secondary targets. It's a good business practice not a bad one.
Amos.
There was no reported interest in Mata before Arsenal were in the frame... then suddenly Chelsea bought him. It's harder to gazump the move on the night because it's so last minute; we're led to believe that Arteta spoke to Moyes at 22:00 to request a transfer, which leaves no time for anyone else.
damiano_tommassi
There you go nik. Which means we could have gone for Arteta when we lost out on Mata.....unless you think they would have gone for him also and our third and 4th choice? Gazzumping someone for a player like Mata is one thing, buying 10 players albeit good but not the same level just so Arsenal wont get them is totally different. And damiano you're spot on I'm on the board. name is P.r.i.c.k Hill Wood;). Amos Mata was gone weeks ago and who where our primary targets? do you know? If so you are the first one I have come across outsite the club that knows. For all we know all our targets may have been those we got bar Mata and Cahill whom we will get in January or next summer if he wants to come here. We where linked to hundreds of players this summer and truth be told most of them where either compleatly out of our range in the first place or just pagefillers for the press.
Armory
No reported interest? Whould chelsky have been shouting from the roof tops whom they where after? I can recall as far back as when Bergkamp suddenly signed....totally out of the blue and noone knew.
Armory
No I don't know who our primary target(s) were but it's safe to assume Mata was one of them and if, for the sake of argument, I accept the collective wisdom of these forums the Hazard, Goetze and M'vile were in the list too. It's also safe to assume that Benayoun wasn't and that he and Arteta, and maybe others, were on a standby list. That they had one and approached the task in a more structured way than the supposed 'panic' many would have us believe seems the greater probability to me.
Amos.
I don't really think the Arteta scenario was necessarily even about gazzumping despite my earlier arguments about the possibility of it, Last night was a swoop, had we gone in earlier without the element of surprise and tight deadline I don't think the outcome would've been the same, Moyes would have had time to talk to him to convince him otherwise. We showed a cool head and preyed on a talented players desire for the top rung of European competition, in the cold light of day when there are weeks to consider things, like the upheaval of rehousing, reschooling kids (dunno if he has any) there are lots of things that can sway someone into remaining in their comfort zone, there was none of that last night and we played on that. Anyhow although I don't really feel now is the time to start knocking us the day after spending over 50 million quid lol. If you'd have told me after the result on sunday that we'd be sitting here after having spent 50 million quid on a new LB who is Brazilian a new CB who is 6' 6 with 75 International caps a new striker that can actually run! (yes I'm looking at you Chamakh and Bendy) and is lethal at free kicks and two MF players both who have years of prem experience - if you'd told me all that I'd have said you were a mentalist.
nikolaijns
*M'vila (though M'vile might be worth having too!)
Amos.
That's it Armory, no-one knew. If they had, maybe the mighty DB would've played in another club's colours...! The first I heard of Mata was that Arsenal were chasing him; then that they'd discussed personal terms; then suddenly Chelsea bought him. Makes me think they weren't aware he was available until it went public that Arsenal wanted him, and they waded in with more money to nick him. Maybe just perception, but that's how it seems to me.
damiano_tommassi
To be honest Amos I dont think any of these buy's where panic buys and where on the radar for some time. As for Hazard Goetze and M'vila they where out of our price range by all I can see. And had we started bidding for them in ernest they would defenetly have been players that shytty and chelsky would have gazzumped. My irritation is simply based on that, assuming Im right and they where on our radar for awhile and not bought in panic then why did we not secure some of them erlier.
Armory
Goetze 40 million. We are not in need of one 40 million quid kid. What we were in need of we got, a CB a LB 2 MFs and a striker.
nikolaijns
Sorry that was just the last day, what we got was a CB a LB 3 MFs and 3 strikers.
nikolaijns
damiano No club sells players like Mata on the last day. so we had to go fore him when we did and as soon as an agent hears about any clubs interest in his client he makes it known to everyone and his dog that his player might be awaileble. Arteta is not going to have chelsky and shytty outbidding us as he is not in the same category. As for Moyes being able to talk Arteta around no i don't think so. he is a mature player at 29 and this was his last chance for the CL.
Armory
Fair enough armory you have your opinion, and if we're still 17th or worse in a month or twos' time then by all means unload all your grief all up on here. I prefer to welcome the guys we have in now and make a decent fist of what was looking like a potential horror season only a few days ago. Welcome Per! gooner from childhood, i gotta say i see this guy as future captain material http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,12040_7142666,00.html
nikolaijns
i have concern that mertesacker may struggle with our high line defensive tactic. this has been the reason why wenger prefers to have more athletic-type cb like campbell, galas, toure, vermealen, kos etc after the adam & keown era. all less mobile cb in the past did not performed for us i.e. stepanov, cygan, senderos. hard to tell of course since the later trio did not play well anywhere else...
Joe_@**
I can't believe there are still fans whinging. We've brought in 9 players altogether, INCLUDING the much longed-for, mythic-like quality of EXPERIENCED older players. FIVE confirmed all in one day. Unheard of. Yes, it should all have been sorted earlier on in the summer but it wasn't and the necessary steps have been taken in the last 3 days. Give the man a break now and let them get on with it. Steadying the ship and securing CL football again should be the immediate target while planning the next great Arsenal team and luring "marquee" signings once again. And Rocky's right; if 35 million is knocked back, what on earth are you meant to do? Citeh might be able to afford to throw away silly money for fun, but I call that pure stupidity anyway. I think we made some intelligent signings yesterday. Time to get on with it.
julieloveshenry4ever
your all a bunch of morons, the way you give it on ssn last night.
oldtimeyid
lol I loved the way it switched to yor hole oldtimeyid and there was 5 skulking muppets in the dark kicking their heels. How did kaka work out? pffffffttt
nikolaijns
Also loving the thousands of posts of pain on Vital footofthetable. Relegation fodder you lot.
nikolaijns
LOL, Niko! Kaka to Sp*rs? He's called Kaka, NOT Kuku!!!
julieloveshenry4ever
According to reliable sources, we made massive, massive bids for both Hazard and Goetze. Lille would have accepted the Hazard bid, but they didn't have time to get a replacement so the deal didn't happen. Same report says we'll be back in January, doesn't matter if Hazard is cup-tied. As for Goatse, the player and his family decided he was too young to move yet.
gunnerkid107
The Ox on ESPN Englands U21s
nikolaijns
Strongly recommend this article by Bobby McMahon on what PL clubs would've paid for a player like Mertesacker if he were English - http://www.soccerreportextra.com/domestic/english-premier-league/what-am-i-bid-for/
jaelle
The bottom line is that unlike City and United and Liverpool, neither we nor Spurs acted efficiently, intelligently, in an organized fashion in this summer window. The result is that UNLIKE THOSE CLUBS we started the season totally unprepared to play against Liverpool, United and Newcastle. We managed to get past Udinese because thank goodness our suspended players in the league could play in those games. You identify your targets early, set deadline dates early and keep to them, you don't waste your #1 recruitment staffer for weeks in Costa Rica trying to sign a young inexperienced forward who'll probably have work permit issues and management/staff/Board/ownership come to an agreement on strategy early and quickly. And it would also help if in previous windows you had already strengthened the squad with good squad players long before 3 of your 1st choice players left.
jaelle
Niko, love your comments.
nordkap
get a grip
footballtaz1
Haha Fabregas, Nasri out, Beneyoun and Artetea in good buisness Le Scum!
YIDO1234
We got rid of our divisive wantaway players 1234 (whoopee you must be chief spud counting that high) you're gonna look pretty silly sitting on a 40 million quid player that wants out in a relegation dogfight, not to mention the worlds biggest gobshh1te wh0re causing trouble which he undoubtably will. If Parker couldn't help West Ham stay up what makes you think he will with you?
nikolaijns
Haha do you really think your in a poaition to talk about relagtion after looking like a league 2 standard club at man u? didnt think so, Modric, parker or arteta, beneyoun ill let you work it out
YIDO1234
I'll take the two players that want to be here over the one that doesn't and the one that was looking to escape Allardyce and championship meh thanks. I'll also take Wenger over Redknapp, RVP over the disruptive offside loving egomaniac Adebyewh0re, Chesney over Gomes, Jack & Rambo and Frimpong over Hundredstone and...well whoever is left out of your muppet exodus, Mertesacker Koscielny and vermaelen over Les Dawson Billy Grumpy Gallas and whoever else makes up your threadbare relegation heading muggernaut lol.
nikolaijns
lol thats funny cause id take, and the majority of intelligent people only van persie and sagna scezny haha! often admire a keeper who lets in 8 in one game, shocking to see another arsenal fan think that the team is gods gift hilarious, i think you are whats caleed a 'waste of space'
YIDO1234
The majority of intelligent people can spell 'called' 'relegation' and 'position' too. Redknapp is no genius but the look on his hangdog ballbag of a face when he left the sp*rs bodge on Wednesday night said it all. He knows you're well and truly shafted. If Parker couldn't keep West Ham up with an equally bog standard West Ham he won't be able to save you either. You're going down.
nikolaijns
Only expect a Spud to gloat at Arsenal's position when his team is still below us.. haha..
Sajit
All you Arsenal fans moaning at Wenger while he calmly strengthens the team. I reckon you are going to be a force with the people he has brought in. Don't jump to criticize the man until the season is over. He deserves that........ See you in a week..... Swansea fan.
Philto
I think even the most ardent Wengerite would hesitate before using the adjective 'calmly' when describing our transfer activity this summer Philto but yep see you in a week.
nikolaijns
YIDO1234, the only thing thinner than your brain is your quality at centre back. You are going to ship more goals than you can count this season.
Deltaforce
A good bit of business. I think the club at least fixed things in the transfer market before it was too late. I've been critical of their ineptitude earlier, as with a lot of fans out here, but they've moved well to sign some experience. The squad looks more balanced now.
prits
Just saw a video clip on youtube. Our counter attack when we had Vieira, Bergkamp, Overmars, Petit, Pires, etc was marvelous. We were so spoilt.
fcdematthew
Well Well Well, as a villa fan i would just like to congratulate u gooners on wengers panic buying of an injury prone player who is clearly past his best of a few seasons ago, santos aswell santos who? apart from mertersacker who is good the players you have let go its unreal,liverpool spurs man city utd and chelski are a cut above u lot these days see u soon in the europa league on itv 4 ;)
ClivetheVillan
Amusing to see a fan of a former big club being reduced to snide bitching Clive. We have our problems but atleast we are not Aston Villa.
Deltaforce
LOL Delta force, i admit we have no money and dont claim we are currently a big clun ie top 4, but the remarks are towards truth i know are the gunners are massive but to see u sign these players bemuzes me :z im not being bitchey but wenger i feel shud step down and ur board are like ours being tight fisted, i feel u need rebuilding with an ENGLISH spine in ur team wenger just dont see it he prefers young foreign talant with the occasional english kid sorry gunners are better than that!
ClivetheVillan
Clive, when you breathe, do you find your mouth is usually open? And when you read, do your lips move?
Little Dutch
Great article about our summer signings i just read. Really think Arteta will do well for us, he;s been great at Everton and just needs to be on a bigger stage to do bigger things! http://www.whoscored.com/Blog/zj0oryrcneip_s-39apaag/Show/Arsenal-Signings-to-Lead-to-Tactical-Change
alfooty11
Little Dutch, are you on heavy narcotics?
ClivetheVillan
Not on a Wednesday, no.
Little Dutch
 

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