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The Invincibles or Manchester City?

There`s been a lot of talk over the last few days of how the current Manchester City side is better than the 2004 title winning Invincibles of Arsenal.

The majority of this debate has been fuelled by Talk-Sports "proof" of how City are better down to a simple comparison of players from the respective teams, paired up at their choosing and giving 1 point for every player TS deemed "better".

In this comparison, City emerged victorious after the final vote tipped the scales in City`s favour. The winning comparison? Sergio Aguero is better than Dennis Bergkamp apparently.

That was followed up with Yaya Toure, brother of Invincible, Kolo, claiming on Facebook that City were going to better.

Now, this isn`t an article to start a flame war, no, just one to ask opinions.

There`s no denying that this City team is a good one (let`s leave the debate of how the team came together for another day/article), they appear to be able to score at will, and are playing some pretty nice stuff too. However in my humble opinion the two can not be compared.

City are yet to hit a rough patch, never mind to make it all it all the way to next May without losing. Our team went unbeaten and won the league, it`s impossible, nay ridiculous, to claim a team in November, can be better than a team in May.

Have these people never watched football? Things can come crashing down around their ears very quickly . And that`s something we`ve got some experience in.

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Writer: Rocky7 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday November 9 2011

Time: 6:30PM

Your Comments

Aw c'mon Rocky, you know football's decided in November and not May. We already know whose name is going to be on all trophies that exist everywhere: Man City, the greatest team that ever lived.
Hmm..did they mention that with the money they spent, we could have assembled 3 sets of Invincibles.
Loved your invincibles! Especially what happened to their Champions League dream that season :-)
Yep...was very sad to see Chelsea become the first London team to lift the CL that year..
Well clearly your defence was better than ours is, Kompany is a very good player, likewise Richards and we've a good goalie. Bergkamp probably was better than Aguero (at the moment) but it is a bit daft comparing the two, especially given how fragile our psyche has been over the years. If we've a new mentaity then we will win the title.
When you consider that the cost of assembling the Invincibles first 11 is less than the reported fee paid by City for Tevez it doesn't matter to me what city go on to achieve. What we did was special, it's not cheering the achievements of a team with them, merely applauding an oil barons' virulent wealth.
City still av a long way to go it is just a matter of time.They would be demoralised after losing their first match in the league
This is the job of the media. The way things are now ARE THE WAY THEY WILL BE FOREVER! I reckon most right thinking Citeh fans would refute this and say "come back in 12 months." This is just tabloid radio trying to get a response.
Little Dutch
It is only November, for God's sake! City have met what, maybe 2, of the top 6 sides (to meet Newcastle next) and they are already being crowned champions and compared to the invincibles? Someone is setting them up for the big fall.
Even the basis of the comparison i.e. comparing the teams in terms of individuals in the same position is ridiculous. Everybody knows full well that no team is built on individuals. It's more about teamwork. Basic football knowledge that the ***** stirrers at Talk*****e etc lack.
With all the money spent buying some of the world's best players and two years for them to settle down, it seems inevitable that City will win the league this season. Whether they stay unbeaten for more than 49 games or more, they cannot compare with the invincibles for one simple reason. The invincibles were built whereas the City side have been bought.
"Bergkamp was probably better than Aguero"? lol. I know football is all about opinions, but along with Zola, Cantona and Henry, Dennis Bergkamp is one of the greatest players ever to grace the field of England, and performed to THE highest for standards for ten straight years. Aguero has been here ten minutes. Granted he is playing well, but he's not even doing as well as Fernando Torres was doing when he was red hot ..... and look at him now. Even if the system of choosing the best team was correct (which it isn't) Dennis Bergkamp is a far superior player meaning Arsenal should have come out on top in this silly comparision.
LD is right. This is cheap tabloid (radio) nonsense designed to fill air-time and generate a response. Ignore it.
Sir Henry
Was it that drip Adrian Durham who come out with this? That man is so far up Citys arse that I can't stand listening to the show anymore. He's already come to the conclusion that City are better than Barcelona. I wouldn't have a problem with that it's just the man treats his opinions as facts and anything said against that opinion is nonsense or rubbish, no matter how good they counter argument or how flawed his agrument. Your invincibles is a feat in football I can't see being repeated any time soon, City have a fantastic squad and have been playing some excellent football but it's all a bit premature at the moment to come to any conclusions. They hype about them reminds me a bit of the hype of Bale after his performance against Inter Milan.
I'll agree with that TFN7. When all's said and done, Bale and City are both very good. But let's calm down a bit here and let them prove they can do it on a consistent basis before blowing too much smoke up their arse.
Please don't tell me you're taking anything Talkspout is on about seriously? I think little Dutch has pretty much summed up the opinions of most City fans that I know.
It's a rubbish article that was clearly put together to generate controversy rather than objective analysis, and here's the proof: look at the players they compare in midfield. Vieira is said to be better than Barry, and Yaya Toure is said to be better than Gilberto. Fair enough. But why not compare like for like - Vieira with "the new Vieira", Yaya Toure? The original Vieira is obviously better, and that would mean that Gilberto and Barry are paired off, and Gilberto would be judged better. Likewise for defence - why not rate Campbell vs Kompany, and Kolo Toure vs Lescott? Because Arsenal would win that too.
Talkspurt. PMSL!

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