If You Want Us To Move On ..... Then Shut Up!

In truth, I think as a fan base we have been OTT on Nasri. Clearly a mercenary, but I don't think many of us would turn down a chance to triple our wages. Maybe it's because I never hugely took to him as an Arsenal player- the first half of last season aside- but some of the hatred I saw towards him was a little OTT. Personally, I couldn't give a ***** about him and don't think, and never thought, that we would hugely suffer without him. Statements like this are best saved, filed away and dug out again at the appropriate moments. Life has a funny way of introducing you to the same people on your way down the greasy pole as it does on your ascent.

I just wish the tranny would STFU and move on with his life. He'll get booed because he's an explayer, but that's as far as it goes. He doesn't even register in my footballing world as a bit part City player.

Well folks, the criticisms he received from your fans clearly riled him - in particular, the highly public attacks from the likes of Piers Morgan will have stung. So now, as Samir looks affectionately at the Premier League winners medal that he never got at Arsenal, can you blame him for wanting a bit of payback? Congratulations on finishing third, but you have to question your direction as a club if that is all you now seemingly aspire to.

Not bothered either way fifthcolumnblue. Neither has any baring on our club, so I'm unfussed. That said, either result will offer a chance for some gentle ribbing ... so everyone's a winner.

FCB why is the CL final one a tough one for Arsenal fan? You must have meant Spurs. Secondly, contrary to what you may think gooners are not too elated with finishing 3rd or 4th every season since 2004. After having won the league unbeaten in 2004 and 12 times before that, being 3rd or 4th doesn't satisfy too many old gooners whose expectation has increased or the post invincibles gooner fan whose expectation is sky high. The happiness you see is actually relief and surprise because this season saw our worst start in 50 years and to finish 3rd after that was a bit unexpected. Also, after Abu Dhabi spends 1 billion quid oil money on their club over and above the 1 billion quid spent by a Russian gangster on Chelsea winning the league for any club is not exactly simple.

No10 - We have more points, but the goal difference is a little worse. But that said it is an improvment on last year no matter how small. Considering we lost Cesc, Nasri, Clichy and Wilshere (injured) than it doesn't feel too bad. I feel we can build on that if the gaffer makes some astute signings. He's made a good start with Podolski, let's hope he kicks on from there.

My comment about it being difficult for Arsenal is regarding whether you'd prefer to see one local rival (Chelsea) win it, and thus get the extra financial boost, another local rival (Spurs) qualify for the Champions League and recieve the extra financial boost (as well as a boost to their prestige). It must be a bit of a conundrum, although if I were a betting man, I reckon you'd probably prefer to be able to chant Thursday Night Channel 5 at the Spurs fans. ;)

He also has to have the sense that a couple of people giving him stick on Twitter (who might not even be proper Arsenal fans ... you saw the video of the Liverpool fans giving him grief in his car?) does not add up to the majority of Arsenal fans opinions. But comments like these will only go to make matters worse. I would think he'd have promoted a few more nasty messages to his Twitter page this morning .... I wonder how many he would have got if he'd have just carried on celebrating his achievment with his team mates?

It's not just a couple of people Rocky, it's a lot more than that. I don't think there was any need for his comment about third place but I feel he's well within his rights to say the rest. Just my opinion of course.

I'd rather Chelsea lose. I have no Sp*rs fans to hate over here in India. I've got a Chav brother though. My hate for Sp*rs stems from the fact that every Gooner needs to hate them. So, Chelsea losing the final and Sp*rs going out in the qualifier would be best for me.

When you consider the size of our fan base, it certainly is just a "couple of people". He might feel like we're all getting on his back, because he's only focussing on the negative responses from Arsenal fans, when in the reality, the majority of us are completely indifferent. However following his recent outburst, the number of detractors has increased, and will continue to rise exponentially until he shuts his trap. That said, maybe he's just getting his digs in while he still can, because if City sign Hazzard, he'll be getting a lot more splinters in his arse.

Rocky, leaving loyalties aside for a moment, if you were in a similar situation to Nasri would you be able to resist the opportunity to give some back when presented with a loaded question, all things considered?

In all honesty? I believe I would. Why does he even care? He's just won the PL for god's sake. Why is he even giving us a second thought? That's what I don't understand. A simple one sentence resonse would have sufficed, but he went on a six page rant. He's not doing himself any favours really.

I think the majority of our fan base have NOW moved on from Nasri but Nasri himself hasn't moved on from us. The part of the fanbase that still isn't over him are a pitiful minority that includes "fans" like Piers Morgan. We did go a little bit over the top earlier in the season but lately we've been ignoring that little scumbag. It's him that's stirring the pot now. As for the booing, any former player who moves in an acrimonious manner to a rival club, be it for trophies or for the money is entitled to be booed nowadays. (Make no mistake, I do not support the booing and would rather it was abolished altogether) But it's part and parcel of the game nowadays and I've come to accept it. It's up to the player now, to not let the booing affect him. Cashley's learnt that. Nasri needs to learn. Because, like it or not, he is a top class player when he is on song.

You've never seen that level of abuse? I guess you weren't paying attention when Sol Campbell joined Arsenal. Lol. The booing will always happen to ex-players. I remember when Henry came to Ashburton with Barcelona. He got a rousing reception from the Arsenal fans when he came on the pitch, and then the first time he touched the ball we booed him. :)

ESPN Soccernet mate. Theo has 8 and Nasri has 9 according to them.

"at a big club, where they never settle for second best" - City? He's aware of the past fifty years, right?

No issues at all with nasri. If we have abused him, which we have, we must be ready to take it on the chin when he has his moment in the sun. Being gracious in victory is alien to football.

Just found this quote from him - - "It is annoying. The work we do is not getting the credit it deserves because we are not winning silverware. It is unfair because I think we have more merit as a club than those who have built their teams with millions of pounds whereas Arsenal have brought in young footballers, who have come here to play a certain kind of football and who have developed."

I go back to what I said originally: Nasri didn't contribute a great deal to your teams success. Compare him to Walcott who plays similar positions and has scored more and made more in what was viewed as a weak season. Compare him to Silva and you see what he should be achieving with your team. With the players you have up front I think I could get as many assists as Nasri managed. I wouldn't be surprised if he only lasts one more season with you guys then gets shipped out for a lifetime of ambiguity within football.

I also agree with LD that gooner reaction to Nasri has been very OTT. I see on twitter gooners frequently referring to him and making nasty remarks about him and sending tweets to him and I think "seriously? he simply wasn't that important to us." Ashley Cole-yes, I get that, and join in it. But Nasri was less than a blip in our club's history.

Couldn't give two fu(ks about the fella

The part that really deserves disection in his quote is "I believe Arsenal hasn't won a trophy for many years." Well, yeah you were with us most of that time numbnuts.

"Well, yeah you were with us most of that time numbnuts." - exactly - heaven forbid he takes responsibility for his own total lack of fight and effort to help us win a trophy.

LD. Arsenal's revenue streams are huge. Where exactly is the money going?

Why ask me bluedub? The accounts are printed on our website and are a matter of public record. You can see for yourself. http://www.arsenal.com/the-club/corporate-info/arsenal-holdings-financial-results

Jaelle, I merely asked a question, I wasn't suggesting anything. *shakes head*

Bluedub, your club has had everything given to it. A stadium you don't own or pay to build. A futuristic training complex your club didn't pay for, a potential huge cash injection that is being disguised as "redevelopment money", a wage bill that is 20% + over your clubs entire annual turnover. Everything listed above is something we HAVE to pay for from our own business not some rich blokes pockets, where the hell do you think our money goes fella? Jaysus!

Of course I can understand it. It's a bit ignorant to suggest that I can't just because I'm a City fan, don't you think? I thought the stadium was paid for at this stage. SER City are currently paying for their stadium.

Bluedub - The comments invited that sort of response Bluedub. To just casually say why so unambitious (or words to that effect) is not on. We ARE an ambitious club, hence paying for a brand new state of the art stadium out of our own pockets not a wealthy blokes. All this would of been fine and the years of prudence and scraping by (relatively speaking) but then some Russian **** comes along and lets a mid table club spend what ever they want and an Arab does the same with your club. Success should be earned not bought and after all the hard work this club put in that has been taken away from us by some rich bloke who's bored. I understand that is life, but doesn't mean we have to liek it eh? When you think about it, your comment deserved a lot more than it got from the guys on here, but we're not Chavs or Spuddies so we're not like that.

I just knew the City fans would not be able to handle the "success", even after numerous (44!)years of failing, which one would have thought, should provide lessons in humility.

Pray! Who ever part-finances the wages of a player on loan at a RIVAL club? Only a Club with Daddy-deep-pockets owners can even consider such preposterous profligacy.

Hey Bluedub. I did say City can't understand it, as in the club, as opposed to 'you can't understand' - and I stand by that, because their situation (posting massive losses and having cash on tap) is a million miles away from the situation Arsenal were in - they made a decision to suffer financially for a few years by investing in building a brand new stadium which cost around £400m all told (please correct me), from money that had been earned via football success and raised by the club. Its really not the same deal. It's like me working for 8 years to get a deposit to buy my flat, and your long-lost uncle buying you a house. Not the same thing at all. Even if you have to pay a fair price for your stadium (and I seriously doubt it - again, please correct me), it's still not the same because MCFC are not paying it; some geezer from the middle-east is.

FCB I'm a little lost at that comment. Szczesny is not at all arrogant or smug. He states that Arsenal have momentum and the ability to catch them. Then states that that will be his main focus. The fact that we did finish above the tots is not the point, the point is he believed it. even if we had slipped up on the last day, as we nearly did, we still had the ability to challenge them and I'm glad he felt that. If he was mindlessly smug and arrogant he would've said something like 'with this win we are now the biggest club in England'

smug and arrogant is "'I made the hard choice to come and fight for my place at a big club, where they never settle for second best, and I have proved it correct."? It was a hard choice Na$, but I'm sure the wedges of cash eased the pain somewhat.

That Szczesny quote was given when we'd gone out of all competitions. Think it's pretty clear he just meant this season. The Arsenal board haven't taken any dividends whatsoever since 2002 when the stadium plans were improved. Again, a matter of public record. And again, being lectured on ambition by a Citeh fan (one that has his most basic facts wrong too) is a bit like Paris Hilton telling people on welfare to get on their bike and find a job.

I find Na$ri's comments not only hypocritical but deeply disrespectful to Wenger, and ultimately Arsenal as a club. Us fans are fair game, but this club opened the door into the league for him and the snide remark about lack of ambition is a slap in the face for a manager who believed in him.

Fcb, since when did Sczcessny's reference to 'his' personal ambition equate with that of the Club? He said "now, MY main ambition is to finish above Spurs"... How is that him speaking for the club? If there's been any one who's smug here, it is YOU! The trophy has gotten to your head, quite obviously, to come on here treating us to a lecture about our club, based on a contextually wrong premise.

I'm personally not the slightest bit interested in how Nasri plays unless it's against us. But if he's gonna bring up Arsenal, probably justifiable for Arsenal fans to discuss that.

I dont pay any attention to what this pillock says anymore. The guy is clearly a dickhead and in retrospect I think it was a case of good riddance to bad rubbish and I am happy we got shot of him. Think eventually his terrible attitude and arrogance would have unsettled our dressing room. Carry on plying your trade at Mercenary Citeh you obnoxious little ***** and we will worry about our own house.

FCB that was me saying Nasri had a mediocre season and I based that opinion on facts - his goals and assists, not on opinion ie how he played between those five goals and nine assists.

That is a pretty laughable article about Clichy from a blog that is a total laughing stock amongst Arsenal fans. The gentleman that wrote that article has written weekly articles for the last 2-3 years detailing of a refereeing conspiracy and match fixing to deprive Arsenal of silverware. A lot of the fanbase began to lose faith in Clichy, that much is true. And nobody gets more annoyed than me when our fans give our own players stick. But to say Clichy was being routinely abused is total nonsense. I never heard any booing of him in a ground, the blog seems to think that Clichy was spending his time reading the darkest recesses of the forum comments boxes on the web. I think he moved on at the right time and I don't think many have an axe to grind with him. Ditto Kolo. Personally, I'm pleased for both of them. Adebayor and Nasri get stick and they will have to expect that to a certain extent. But to refer to anything Clichy experienced as "vile abuse" is to live in total la la land. Nasri got amazing support from our supporters whilst he was here. To allege that fans somehow drive players out that end up leaving for double their salaries is ludicrous and deluded in the extreme.

The reaction will be fine provided van Persie doesn't trash the club at every turn. Why do you think Kolo Toure gets a standing ovation every time he comes back? Vieira too. Eduardo scored a goal against us and our whole ground celebrated it. Are you really that dense that you think every player that leaves us gets stick? It very clearly comes down to the manner in which you do it. Yossi Benayoun has already announced he's left us. Why don't you have a quick gander at this twitter feed and see what kind of feedback he's had?

Fifth - RVP's heroics this season are only matched by the time spent on the treatment table. He's been with us for 8 seasons and after one exceptional season you believe we should all be noshing the bloke off because he managed to stay fit for longer than 8 months and then decides to leave? If that is the level of your Arsenal knowledge and insite, I'd suggest moving along elsewhere....for the record, atleast RVP did have a good "season", Nasri bottled it after 3 good months then ****ed us off continually ever since. He's going to get dogs abuse when we see him next and I'll be there doing my bit. Maybe a look at the reaction Toure gets compared to douchebags like Adebayor and Nasri will let you know we're actually pretty fair minded until some ego driven, money grabbing, crooked toothed, hooked nosed transvestite look alike starts acting up.

I think that if anyone looks at the season it is quite easy to see that, when we had anything near a full strength squad, we had a team that could challenge for the title. We came third in a season where we effectively played our pre-season in the first months of the PL. We played for over a month with no left or right back consequently sapping creativity. We played for the last 5-6 weeks with an injured keeper and conceded 8-10 goals, dropping 7-10 points in that time. We played the whole season without one of our brightest prospects in Jack and without what can be a very useful Diaby. We suffered after loosing three first team members in a very difficult summer and found ourselves in 17th after the worst start to a season for nearly 60 years. And that same team, with all the issues listed, finished 3rd! We only failed to take points of Man U, in fact I think they are the only team we failed to beat. We only failed to score in three games and came from behind to beat a team seven times (a PL record?). So I would suggest that anyone leaving this team to compete for silverware either hasn't had it pointed out that this team CAN compete...or is a liar!

If that is the level of your Arsenal knowledge and insite, I'd suggest moving along elsewhere
Scotch eggs rule

hence my reference to him having injury problems. Or did you merely react to the comment without reading it? Hooked nosed - is that a reference to racial origins?

P.S. Just to be pedantic scotchy, it's "insight".

Pedantic - That means talking down to someone.

Y'mean insight? Not that I can't take someone seriously trying to knock someone else for what they can't spell. Nope Kolo gets an ovation because he's a good bloke who has never bad mouthed Arsenal and we have fond memories of him. Cesc is a player who has left arguably before even hitting prime, whilst none of us were happy about it 98% wish him well and thank him for his time with us.

You guys must be having fun with these Citeh fans. I personally find Na$ri's comment that of gutterkid that was not trained prperly. Toure comes to Arsenal any day and we still clap for him. Unfortnately, just like Adebayor peaople like Na$ri will show their true colour eventualy

As long as you don't mix it up with pederast you'll be fine mate ;)

fcb, you really are a very poor WUM. Every time you have your half baked points dissected, you just come back with overly emotive, sensationalist rubbish just to get a response and mask the fact that you had your pants pulled down. Have some dignity man. Or better still grow up a bit, eh?

........Oh dear! lol

fcb as your wife is a gooner does this mean you go round cherry picking her possessions at vastly exorbitant prices to really hack her off?

....and then question her and her clubs "ambition"?

fcb, you have some front criticizing Arsenal fans when Tevez had to be provided with police protection from your own mob! Better check your hypocrisy at the door mate. Kolo Toure left Arsenal thanking the team and the fans in his first press conference as a City player. By contrast Na$ri was complaining well before he'd left and was openly criticizing his former club and its supporters just 24hrs after signing for City. He's quoted as admitting he left the club with 'anger and bitterness in his heart' - so he can hardly expect to be on many gooners' xmas card lists. It all started with Na$ri wanting pay parity with Cesc, who was our captain at the time. When he didn't get it he decided to throw his toys out of his pram, and that's when we started to see the creature he really was. To be fair to him he has never made a secret of the fact that he wants to win silverware, and no-one would begrudge him taking a short cut. Its just the classless manner in which he has gone about it that grates.

I was going to mention that I thought you'd got mixed up with patronising but I didn't want to be...well......

Do any of you Gooners remember ever winning a trophy .... no I didnt think any of you were that old. To get a feel of it and how it was for Samir and Gael, go to the official ManCity website and click 'citytv' which is free. There are great interviews, a wonderful cameo of Gael and Joe Hart celebrating the winning goal and a wonderful quote from Samir on the celebration bus saying he was so thankful he had moved and that he had never experienced siuch wonderful support before.

Seen Gael Clichy lift a Premier League title thanks. Though it must be good fun willy to see your team win the league every year. How much did you get for your United shirts on ebay?

Funnily enough I'm in my 30s (half your age?) and you'll be long gone by the time City catch up to the amount of trophies I've seen the Gunners win :)

If you've been a City fan since 56, you'll have seen us win *takes breath* 6 league titles, 7 F.A. Cups, 2 League Cups, 1 Fairs Cup and 1 Cup Winners Cup. I respect that your memory is obviously showing signs of slowing down, but now cast that mind back and search your cranium for the amount of trophies you've seen City win in the same time period. If you're gonna come over here willy waving, don't come half cocked with that wrinkled old sausage old man.

WsWilly, Are you a kid or an old bloke? Whichever way I guess this will probably be the first time you've ever seen a league trophy. Good isn't it?

you saggy old to55er

Gooners it's simple really when you compete in the market and buy top players like Bergkamp, Henry, Overmars etc. you compete and win trophies. When you fleece your supporters for £1300 season tickets and feed them lines about the unfairness of 'financial doping' while selling your (disillusioned) best players to further enhance your healthy balance sheet you don't compete. Yes we know we've been lucky and hit the ownership jackpot but as this new chapter in our history is mapped out we won't forget where we came from. Any of you lot ever learn about your murky history, how you became a 'big' club ? Shafting your founding members to move to North London for a bigger catchment area ? Being promoted to the top division at the expense of teams finishing with more points than you ? Suppose Herbert Chapman took a pay cut to come south as did some of his Huddersfield team. Ar$enal....the clue is in the name.

Ah, willy waving, is that what it all boils down to? My dad is bigger than your dad, etc. I now understand why the Tottenham fans have nicknamed you the "Student gwants", very apt indeed. And your willy could certainly use some viagra these days, why you haven't got it up in seven years!

Wow filthycolumn, obviously feeling unsatisfied with the way you've won the title which is understandable. If you make incredibly stupid comments you are going to get mocked here. What do you want us to do? Agree with your stupid theories as to where all the money is going at our club or how we treat our players. I forget, your wife is a gooner and she has informed you about these matters. Unfortunatley we have as many stupid, misinformed fans as any other big club and I suspect your wife and her friends might be some examples of them. If you really want to change your minds, why don't you provide us with some evidence to back your wild claims. As for bragging after winning one title in 44 years, that's sign of a small time club with small time fans.

Fan of a club who didn't win anything for 35 years mocking us for not winning anything in 7 years. Talk about lacking in self-awareness.

Student gwants cool, never went to college meself but hey when the hell has a spud ever let the truth get in the way? Still better a student gwant i guess than a bunch of paranoid, siege mentality ridden, council house charity cases with an eternity spent in their neighbours gargantuan shadow nurturing that small club mentality, just a northern lotto chelski, at least the russian owns his own stadium, keep licking the sheikhs ringpiece and enjoy your empty bragging over the shiny thing he bought for the best part of a billion. Ultimately what hurts is that you waited half a century for this and now it's finally arrived noone respects you, noone is congratulating you, You can smell the emptiness of your pyrrhic tawdry victory. You're killing football and deep down you all know it.

Mmmmm, we were "financially doped" how? Making a business decision that returns on your investment differs subtly to having a random dude turn up and pump you full of cash he's never getting back. You do realise that?

Sorry folks, nothing hurts, except myt sides from laughing at how wound up you're all getting! "Oooh we're killing football and deep down we all know it" !0/10 for originality there Nikolaijns. Seeing as I am so ill-informed, I've been going through your accounts as has been helpfully suggested by several members on here. I now see why you're so fiancially scuppered, as the banks make you keep £125m in reserve simply to ensure that you can pay the debts if they're called in. I guess that is a bit of a burden. Also of interst is the fact that your dividend payments have declined by roughly 80% in a single year. Now that's not down to your shareholders being nice, that's down to your decline in net profit (down from £61m in 2010 to just over £12m last year). Perhaps dirty old oil baron Sheikh Mansour should buy another of your players and keep your sorry arses afloat? I mean just how much money have manchester City put into the coffers of Arsenal? And this is the thanks we get? LOL! P.S. At least this humble council house dweller now understands why you celebrate qualifying for the Champions League every year - without that income you are righteously scuppered!

Stopped reading after the first two words filthy. Well it's good that you're sorry, you are killing football after all. We can't offer you penance here though, We're Arsenal not priests. Good luck wit dat though.

And your friends/collegues? Yeah they're lying. They know you endorse killing football and you are well out of that circle of trust.

Wow, it took a long time but I think we finally got it through his thick skull. We are run as a proper business and have to break even at least. That's why when we win something it will be deserved. Well done filthy, you finally grasped that difficult concept.

No no ben, the oracle has spoken. As per usual, we must bow down to the might of the unrivalled cleverness and moral rectitude of the arsenal fans, for they are, as ever completely correct, and everyone but the mighty goons is a mere savage living in a mud hut. Either that or they've a bunch of stuck up****s with a chip on their shoulder the size of a small third-world country. I'll leave you to decide. Night night ladies, I'd love to say it's been a pleasure, but as always, you leave me stunned at just how far one set of fans can cram their head up their own backsides.

Unlike you lot I'm not deluded so I know it's not done out of genuine love for my club. Most of it is because they are sick of seeing Stretford win it every year unchallenged by the likes of Ar$enal. If, and it's a big if, we go on and have a period of domination over 10/20 years I expect us to become hated like the rags are and Liverpool were before them. Most neutrals prefer different clubs to win it every now and again which is why I remember my local being in uproar when Michael Thomas scored that goal in 89.

So which is it ben? first you claim that both QPR and Sunderland were bowing down in awe and massive respect to the plucky hard fought underdog 900 million lashing football killers, but now you're saying it's only out of a hatred/boredom of utd? Most neutrals do want different clubs to win the league, I'm sure Blackburn got the same, doesn't change the fact they bought it though, there's a distinct difference though between buying the league and killing football. The chavs have done their best to strangle fair competition now you are killing it softly with your pong, final nail time.

Keep sucking the oil cock football killer.

City used to have all round pretty decent fans. Now there's many acting like a bunch of chavvy lottery winners. Noisy neighbours is right. Now they won't shut up. Billions of petrodollars, Zero class. You'd think after years of being sh@t on by the real Manchester club they'd have learnt a thing or two about humility. Na$ri fits right in there alright.

Yes FCB, again the property sales were business decisions, literally living off the fat of our own land. We owned the land, so we sold it. It helped finance the stadium. Just smart business sense and one capitalised on via our own success as a business. A random sheikh didn't just stick a pin in a map and write us a cheque. There are upsides and downsides to our business model, the way our club is run, on occasion you can certainly ask questions of decisions made by the board and plenty of Arsenal fans openly question their ambition. But, when it comes down to it, your inferiority complex comes down to the fact that you're a phallic symbol for a random oil rich billionaire. A mere penis extension. That's why the week you've won the league you still manage to show this extraordinary bitterness (well, that and because every time someone deconstructs one of your points, you just start barking into the night like a dog on a completely different tangent). Personally, I haven't decided whether I consider 3rd to be a relative success or not. No idea. But I'm relaxed. I've seen Arsenal win plenty of silverware and I'll see us win plenty more, so my choice is always just to enjoy the ride.

That you take an article from the Daily Mail that offers not decernable facts and present it as truth to back up your failures only serves to prove our point.

All wound up are we FCB? Its okay, congratulations on buying the title. There are better ways of getting validation from us than acting like an attention deficit disorder basket case.

HA HA HA! Filth takes an article from the DM with no quotes and presents it as fact, the actions of a total mug! Or you could take Sol Campbell's comments about how when he ACTUALLY spoke with Bergkamp and Viera that they would both love to come back to Arsenal if a position was offered. Filth, run along sunshine, you're just embarrassing yourself further. The DM as fact HA HA HA, brilliant, can't get over that!

fcb, you're a glutton for punishment mate.

Just been on the Vital Chelsea site wishing them well for Saturday. Assume you positive Gooners will be doing the same.

Just been on the Vital Chelsea site wishing them well for Saturday. Assume you positive Gooners will be doing the same Wswilly3 - Of course you would of, mercenaries stick together...................till the money runs out.

They are just so insecure they come here looking for a verbal pat on the head and for us to say "there, there, well done"....how very sad.

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Nope if Chelsea win, both Chelsea and Arsenal go in to the group stage. Braga and Spartak Moscow will be promoted form the 3rd qualifying round to the play-off round. I'm sure our place in the group stage is safe whatever happens. Hope Bayern hammer Chelsea and then Spuds get walloped by whoever they meet in the play-off round. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_UEFA_Champions_League

Clearly another rubbish blog that doesn't reflect the opinions of the vast majority of your fans, right?

http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/index.php/news/2436/30/What-is-the-point-of-Arsenal-today

fifthcolumnblue - You're quoting Myles Palmer to us? He's a f****** Man Utd fan in an Arsenal shirt, he only just pips Piers Morgan to being the biggest ***t pretending to be an Arsenal fan. Just stop coming here to embarrass yourself, it's pathetic. You know nothing about our club, the opinions of proper fans on-line and you keep quoting Palmer and the Daily Mail which is, frankly retarded. Your ignorance is incredible Filth, jog on sunshine.

And behold yet another left the place of plague and pestilence and moved to a place where the trophies were full of milk and honey. He joined his friends Gael and Samir plus his mentor Patrick and he blessed all those around him for his good fortune and his name was RVP. And he was to prosper like them.

I see - so everyone is wrong but the posters on Vital Arsenal. But we already knwe that didn't we?

And the day came to pass when Samir beheld the golden boot and mighty contract that RVP possessed and became unsettled. 'Your highness, why hath thou forsaken me, the true heir of Zidane? Am I too not worthy of your love and riches?' And his Lord grew angry at his greed and cast him out, as he was to do with many of his flock.

Who call you retarded? I said the act of offering the DM and Myles palmer as evidence was retarded. So not only do you have no clue, but you struggle to grasp the English language properly, as highlighted by your comical attempt to correct my spelling, which was in itself littered with spelling mistakes LOL You're just digging deeper and deeper and doing yourself no favours at all. The comedy wouldn't of been available without the likes you trying to mug everyone off with your "knowledge" on all things Arsenal. Thanks for the laugh Filth, we've enjoyed it your in-depth look into the world of football comedy, but you're getting boring now, so probably time to go back to the council house with the other ex-chelsea fans. P.S. It's spelt "Republik of Mancunia" with a "k".

Fcb, if this site is moribund then I reckon Vital Man City is in an advanced state of rigor mortis! Mate, its been fun bantering but you must realise by now you'll get no change from this site. We're not blind. We can all see our team's deficiencies, but the last thing we need are c0ck-sure city fans lording it over us. Third place, considering our paltry investments and the fact that you lot keep nicking our players, is an achievement for us. It may seem small beer to you, but that's just a reflection on how your expectations have changed. This article started off with a discussion on whether Nasri merited the abuse he was getting from the fans. Many feel that he's not helping himself by making the kind of statements he has, and telling us to forget him seems pretty ironic when he comes out with this guff.

It's amazing how a little success changes ordinarily nice folks into ogres overnight. Citeh fans used to be such nice lots, and I do hope the likes of willywaver and filthy column aren't what their fans have become. Sad. Even the Chavs on Kings road didn't become this deluded until well into Moaningho's era.

Wow nikolaijns doesnt have a chip on his shoulder its the Grand Canyon. The envy and jealousy is dangerously extreme. Is he really that deranged?

Willy don't just sit there in the mess you've made, you're upsetting the other patients call a nurse/relative fer gawd sake.

Why on earth would i be jealous of you old timer? You're club is a violent skidmark in the pants of football, you bought it end of football killer. You tainted the league along with the chavs with your filthy illegitimate oil gains. I couldn't have less respect for your bought title and there are millions like me all over the world.

With every word you show your chip, your jealousy and your total lack of class. A very,very sorry young man.

Wswilly3, envy and jealousy are emotions you as a City fan understand far far better than any gooner--absolutely NOTHING we can go thru can match what you poor sods went thru for decades. Frankly I don't understand why you're so interested in Arsenal. You never see United fans on this blog wasting their time constantly posting over here insulting us (or even complimenting us). Once in awhile one of them will come over here but almost never to insult us like you and your pathetic tribe. That's the mark of true champions-they don't bother with us. You on the other hand find us endlessly worthy of your time-you just can't wait to trash us and insult us. Your fans still have the mentality of a petty jealous smalltime club. Even winning the league can't smack it out of you.

I think the city fans on here are mostly good sorts and we have had some banter over the years with the likes of filthy, dub and the lad with the boyband kiddie comb over haircut forgetisname. The issues a lot of football fans have with their club have nothing really to do with them, in their eyes they hit the jackpot and fair enough I mean jesus they've earned it. Abramovich scoped us and the scum before settling on the bus stop in fulham, when a mastermind criminal/bored sneikh comes along with that much immorally gained booty any club is susceptible, it is like the lottery because it literally could be you PSG come on doooownnn! I have nothing against any city fans even the gloating gramps. I just like winding the daft bellends up a treat really.

theres investment in football and immorally spunking 900+ million effectively strangling competition. Don't get my last comment wrong, you are killing football.

Wswilly3, the issue is the way you and your club's fans have responded to your success. Classless. Just exactly how do you think we're supposed to react when all you guys want to do is come on over here and scold, insult & trash our club? Just exactly how would you react?

market forces are redundant once you've artificially created your own market and strangled competition just like the russian lotto chavs before you. Yes debt kills football but so does turning it into the business equivalent of a monopoly, I know it's a bitter pill to swallow especially at what should be one of the happiest times of your life but when alls said and done, at the end of the day.........you're killing football.

The crazy thing is here (along with Man City fans having just won the need feeling the need to justify themselves to Arsenal fans) is that I don't begrudge City their trophies, non of what has happend to their club is their fault ... should we expect them to stop being fans? No. But fans of other clubs have a legitimate complaint regarding the aquisition of the League title. Nobody is ever going to agree on anything because I (we) will never say that how Man City have won the league is anything other than financial doping, whilst City fans are going to stick up for their team as is their right. So why don't you just pop off and enjoy your title .... no matter how artificial it is :)

The difference between you and Manchester United is that they spent the fund that they earned by winning.

Would I like Arsenal to win trophies? Of course. Would I like it if we won them via a rich sugar daddy spunk obscene amounts of money on overrated players until he finally hit on the right combination? No. Would it make me stop supporting Arsena? I'm not sure, probably not. But hear this, I'm extremely proud of the way Arsenal Football Club tries to conduct itself. We're one of the few bastions of fair-play left in football. So when fans of clubs who have won the league via the unfair method starting taking the p*** saying "enjoy celebrating your third place" it grates a little. Because we should celebrate our third place. Because when you look at all the clubs around us having money spunked all over the shop yet we've just secured our 15th successive CL season it's something to be proud of. Make no mistake, if the FFP rules are implemented with any seriousness Arsenal will be one of the most powerful clubs around ... and that's because our manager has the foresight to understand the importance of being self sufficient. And that should be celebrated and not mocked.

Just think about it. According to some reports City are prepared to offer RVP £275k+ a week! How obscene is that? Even if you ignore the fact that its a ludicrous sum for a 29 year old injury-prone striker from one of your close rivals, what is it going to do except put upward pressure on wages generally? In no time at all we'll be talking about players earning half a million a week. Simply unsustainable. And if you don't happen to be owned by a multi-billionaire you will be simply making up the numbers. Billionaire leaves - you go bust. The game is going mad. Its a bubble that can only do one thing...and that is burst.

Sorry boys have to disagree. In any sport it is about winning ... Nobody remembers the runners up or the third and the record books don't lie. You have a billionaire who could bank roll you so you could compete rather than keep falling short but forget about higher morals he just doesn't want to support your chances of winning. Incidentallly on the last day of the season Man Utd put out a more expensive team than City and they for years have been buying major stars... It is only since the ghastly Glazers that they have been more constrained. I honestly believe City have the best owners in the works ... Trying to take a wide view, developing the poorest area of Manchester and even getting rid of the MD when he lied. Once you start to artificially constrain investment into football that is when you will kill it. Investment is not the problem but unsustainable debt is. At end of day suppose we will have to beg to differ.

So Willy, I take it you believe Ben Johnson was hard done by when he was stripped of his 100M Gold medal back in the 80s? After all it's all about winning and apparently it doesn't matter to you how you achieve that. No doubt your owners have a plan in place to circumnavigate the FFP rules (such as paying himself over the odds in sponsorship dollars), but if you don't get it right then you're going down the sh****r in a big way, and not to go all Kevin Keegan on your ass, but I will love it.

Rocky - this was on one of the other Arsenal blog sites and probably sums up my views in a far more succinct way than I have been able to articulate yo you. I cannot believe you guys would object to your billionaire investing big money into your team rather than your board making personal profits out of your club. Please just amswer that question? Playing the holier than though card honestly does not wash and smatters quite honestly of hypocrisy. However at least we are having a better level of discussion than was possible with some of your clan. What have we seen over the last few week? Man City win the league and Chelsea win the Champions league. It proves that football has changed and teams now need to pump money into the club and sign the worlds best players in order to win titles. But Arsenal have a man who wants to do this.. Uzbek billionaire and major Arsenal shareholder Alisher Usmanov wants to bring the best players to the club. Usmanov who is not an Arsenal director even though he owns almost 30% of Arsenal Holdings, believes self-interest among the board members is stymieing the club’s chances of on-field success. Usmanov also said that there would need to be a switch in emphasis if he is to end up on the board. Usmanov said “If the role of a board member is to oversee a trophyless period while making significant personal profits and asking fans to pay inflation-busting ticket price increases then, no, I would not want to be on the board. “If instead it is to try to deliver sustained success, to increase your personal investment in the club, to help develop the commercial position and to ensure the fans have a say in the running of the club then, yes, I think I certainly have something to contribute. “In terms of doing things differently, let me give you a very clear example. Arsenal has all of its major commercial contracts coming up for renewal in the next couple of years. It’s no secret that to maximise the value of those you want to have success on the field and be winning trophies. To do that you need to invest now in building a winning team. This is simple commercial logic. Whether it comes to pass, we shall see.” The sad fact is this. Arsenal will never win anything again without major investment. We need Alisher Usmanov to step forward and take control to bring back the glory days. Since Stan Kroenke took over the club what have we seen? Any investment? Any major signings?. In fact we have seen our best players SOLD and the money NOT pumped back into signing replacements. Another sad fact is that since 2005 and when Ashley Cole was apart of the FA CUP winning side, we have not won anything and Ashley has gone on to win EVERYTHING in football. Who can blame him, Clichy, Nasri, and so on for leaving in the hunt for glory. We need change at Arsenal and we need

Rocky : fine but I do fear you are going to be a sad but idealistic supporter and still do not know how you square that with your board makers making personal fortunes out of your club. if this guy is as bad as you say, which I can believe, how come he was let on the board? You sound in a worse situation thatn I had realised.

I'll take our owners and business plan over yours any day Rocky. Oh, and our fans. ;P

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/manchester-city--blue-moon-finally-rises-458232.html?page=0

Good stuff Rocky I suppose ultimately time will tell who is right. All I can say the last week has given me unbridled joy.... And they say it's only a game!!

No I like getting responses from fans who are condescending and self assured on the surface but in reality have huge chips on their shoulders, are totally envious and have no real idea of when they are ever going to win a trophy again .... maybe the Carling Cup. I do exempt Rocky7 and Jaelle who are genuine fans with considered views. By the way the whole idea of Vital is that you can go on the Home page of oppossing clubs but not their forums and right across Vital, there are fan interacting. Sorry if this offend I'm sure.

Fair enough response Wyn and i understand your sentiments but I am somewhat surprised by the idealistic nature of many of the Arsenal fans. Money has talked for years and years in fact the Wall Street Journal estimated that it contributed to 84% of the success criteria of any football team. The only thing that has continued to grow is the global nature of the game and supporters in Asia, Africa etc are attracted mainly by success. Not to compete in this global market is a very bold strategy. Arsenal used to be one of those that did compete but in poker parlance has not continued now the stakes have got higher and the result of this is going to be self inflicted relative mediocrity(no slight meant). Our Sheikh is not going to go away, nor are the guys at PSG, Malaga and that unpronouceable place in Chechnya or the other teams that attact billionaires. To stay sitting at the top table requires investment at the same levels and I dont say that in a gloating way but in a way that is pure economics. Arsenal actually have the wherewithal to compete but as you say aybe not the desire which is very brave in the global world of football.

Arsenal can't match the levels of investment from PSG, Malaga, City and Chelsea for much the same reasons I can't match Bill Gates' investment in helicopters. It's a pretty simple point. Arsenal do compete, but do so within their means. I mean, if we were to overinvest and go bust, then it wouldn't do our chances of being competitive an awful lot of good. It's very amusing to see you preach about "genuine fans with considered views" when you scroll up to your very first comment on this thread.

So what do you propose we do instead willy? You're not a banker are you? Because you appear to be proposing the sort of fiscal responsibility they resided over in the early part of the 20th century. Worked out well. You can't spend what you don't have. It's pretty simple. Whether Arsenal can use their resources better is a very pertinent question, but you can't ask us to match City and Chelsea's investment for the same reason you can't match Donald Trump's property investments.

I think willy is suggesting we convince our shady russian shareholder to pump millions into the club so we can join a ludicrously unsustainable high stakes billionaires poker game (the stake being the future of the club) and not ask too many questions about it. If only life were that simple. willy mate, can't agree. But good luck to you and the rest of the city fans.

But then it is just debt isn't it? We have to pay it back and probably with interest.

Not sure you recognise the uniqueness of your situation. Yes, free money would be lovely. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could all live our lives demanding free money? Some people get that too. But the reality for most people is that they don't and same for most companies. For a start there aren't enough billionaires in the world to sustain that sort of generosity and if there were they wouldn't be billionaires much longer. Laundering and ego masturbation are "good" qualities in a football club owning billionaire but they're not that common. Even if they were, human beings only live a certain length of time. Whichever you way you slice it, even if there was a benevolent billionaire tree, the fruit it produced would need to be immortal. In short, it's not that easy, it's not that common and even in the rare instances it exists it's not sustainable.

Well firstly I don't drive. Secondly, ADUG, who own your club, are in property investment, not oil. Their money comes from property and is in no way linked to oil. But maybe I'll think about it next time I buy a hotel in Abu Dhabi.