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If You Want Us To Move On ..... Then Shut Up!

Only two days after picking up his Premier League winners medal Samir Nasri has once again taken to the media to tell Arsenal fans to forget about him.

Nasri was heavily criticised by some sections of the Arsenal support for choosing to signed for Manchester`s Mercenaries over a new contract in North London, citing his rather hefty new pay-packet as his major influence in his decision.

Of course non of us can truly know what motivated Samir to join City, but football fans do what football fans do. We`re no different from any other set of fans, if you leave our club to join a rival then you`re going to get boo`ed it`s that simple.

However Nasri`s insistence that he just wants to move on is somewhat betrayed by the fact that … well … he never shuts up talking about it whenever he`s in the spotlight.

He said on French televison, 'People at Arsenal tried to make out that I came here for the money, I hope they are watching me now collecting my Premier League winner's medal."

'I believe they have not won a trophy for many seasons now."

'If all that I was interested in was money, the easiest decision would have been to stay at Arsenal, picking up my money every week and walking into the team.

'There are many people doing this right now at Arsenal.

'I made the hard choice to come and fight for my place at a big club, where they never settle for second best, and I have proved it correct.

I now hope the Arsenal fans can get on with their lives and forget me, they should celebrate their third-place achievement and I will focus on winning titles.'


Nice one Sami, that`ll help your cause.




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The Journalist

Writer: Rocky7 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday May 15 2012

Time: 10:05AM

Your Comments

I have to say I agree with you here. even if we assume he was asked a direct question, there remains a common courtesy and also a self respect in simply moving on and offering a straight bat to such questions. as long as he talks in this way the questions will keep coming as it is good news for the media men. once the answers are basic one sentances, they become no stories very quickly.
oxfordspur
In truth, I think as a fan base we have been OTT on Nasri. Clearly a mercenary, but I don't think many of us would turn down a chance to triple our wages. Maybe it's because I never hugely took to him as an Arsenal player- the first half of last season aside- but some of the hatred I saw towards him was a little OTT. Personally, I couldn't give a ***** about him and don't think, and never thought, that we would hugely suffer without him. Statements like this are best saved, filed away and dug out again at the appropriate moments. Life has a funny way of introducing you to the same people on your way down the greasy pole as it does on your ascent.
Little Dutch
The baffling thing is that he has been in football a long time. Getting boo'ed by other fans is part of the sport. He's going to get boo'ed whenever he comes back to the Grove. I'd guess that nobody really gives two craps about him anymore, but when an opportunity arises for fans to rip into a player, it is rarely given up. It's just part of your everyday game. But it's things like this that will cause the bad feeling to continue. Ashley Cole is one of the biggest (for want of a better word) traitors in our clubs history, and he said exactly the same things as Nasri, and it got him nowhere. He eventually learned to stop talking about it and we've moved on. Sure he gets boo'ed on match days, but in honesty it's not even done with much effort anymore.
Rocky7
I just wish the tranny would STFU and move on with his life. He'll get booed because he's an explayer, but that's as far as it goes. He doesn't even register in my footballing world as a bit part City player.
Scotch Eggs Rule
Nasri's behaviour is short term in nature. His comments will only feed the flame of disgust that exists in our fan base for him. If he was more intelligent he would just mention how satisfactory it was to win the league and wish Arsenal all the best. Being a kid who played street football in Marseille it is the dumb street fighter in him talking.
Deltaforce
Well folks, the criticisms he received from your fans clearly riled him - in particular, the highly public attacks from the likes of Piers Morgan will have stung. So now, as Samir looks affectionately at the Premier League winners medal that he never got at Arsenal, can you blame him for wanting a bit of payback? Congratulations on finishing third, but you have to question your direction as a club if that is all you now seemingly aspire to.
fifthcolumnblue
P.S. Straw poll - will you be supporting Bayern Munich or Chelsea in the Champions League final? Must be a tough one for an Arsenal fan.
fifthcolumnblue
Not bothered either way fifthcolumnblue. Neither has any baring on our club, so I'm unfussed. That said, either result will offer a chance for some gentle ribbing ... so everyone's a winner.
Rocky7
BTW - Whilst Piers Morgan claims to be an Arsenal fan, he is no such thing. Anyone who says Kosicielny and Rosicky need to be sold after the season they've had are idiots who know very little about the game.
Rocky7
FCB why is the CL final one a tough one for Arsenal fan? You must have meant Spurs. Secondly, contrary to what you may think gooners are not too elated with finishing 3rd or 4th every season since 2004. After having won the league unbeaten in 2004 and 12 times before that, being 3rd or 4th doesn't satisfy too many old gooners whose expectation has increased or the post invincibles gooner fan whose expectation is sky high. The happiness you see is actually relief and surprise because this season saw our worst start in 50 years and to finish 3rd after that was a bit unexpected. Also, after Abu Dhabi spends 1 billion quid oil money on their club over and above the 1 billion quid spent by a Russian gangster on Chelsea winning the league for any club is not exactly simple.
Deltaforce
I response to the direction as a club: We finished a place above last season and with more points and a better goal difference. What direction are we going? Up I say!
No 10
No10 - We have more points, but the goal difference is a little worse. But that said it is an improvment on last year no matter how small. Considering we lost Cesc, Nasri, Clichy and Wilshere (injured) than it doesn't feel too bad. I feel we can build on that if the gaffer makes some astute signings. He's made a good start with Podolski, let's hope he kicks on from there.
Rocky7
It's not just the booing that Nasri has had to put up with lads, I think he has enough sense to realise that would happen. It's the vitriol he's subjected to on social media and also in his private life.
Bluedub
My comment about it being difficult for Arsenal is regarding whether you'd prefer to see one local rival (Chelsea) win it, and thus get the extra financial boost, another local rival (Spurs) qualify for the Champions League and recieve the extra financial boost (as well as a boost to their prestige). It must be a bit of a conundrum, although if I were a betting man, I reckon you'd probably prefer to be able to chant Thursday Night Channel 5 at the Spurs fans. ;)
fifthcolumnblue
But City fans need to just look at Chelsea. They bought what was easily the best squad the PL has ever seen. City have done that now, and I'm sure will continue to buy quality. But give them three years and players will be wanting to play and leave to get first team football. I think next season will be their strongest season and after that they will become tough but nothing special.
No 10
He also has to have the sense that a couple of people giving him stick on Twitter (who might not even be proper Arsenal fans ... you saw the video of the Liverpool fans giving him grief in his car?) does not add up to the majority of Arsenal fans opinions. But comments like these will only go to make matters worse. I would think he'd have promoted a few more nasty messages to his Twitter page this morning .... I wonder how many he would have got if he'd have just carried on celebrating his achievment with his team mates?
Rocky7
Well spotted Rocky. We scored more but the 8 goals conceded whilst playing with an injured keeper dragged our GD down.
No 10
It's not just a couple of people Rocky, it's a lot more than that. I don't think there was any need for his comment about third place but I feel he's well within his rights to say the rest. Just my opinion of course.
Bluedub
Nasri is well within his rights to say what he did. His action may get an equal and opposite reaction though which could have been avoided.
Deltaforce
I'd rather Chelsea lose. I have no Sp*rs fans to hate over here in India. I've got a Chav brother though. My hate for Sp*rs stems from the fact that every Gooner needs to hate them. So, Chelsea losing the final and Sp*rs going out in the qualifier would be best for me.
Eboue=GOD
I think the video of the Liverpool fans ribbing him shows that he is just a disliked character. He has had issues with his relationship/attitude everywhere he has been prior to City. Maybe he has found the right club so good on him. But I don't think he personally added much to his teams achievements. He scored less and created less than Theo....and Arsenal fans thought he had a poor season.
No 10
When you consider the size of our fan base, it certainly is just a "couple of people". He might feel like we're all getting on his back, because he's only focussing on the negative responses from Arsenal fans, when in the reality, the majority of us are completely indifferent. However following his recent outburst, the number of detractors has increased, and will continue to rise exponentially until he shuts his trap. That said, maybe he's just getting his digs in while he still can, because if City sign Hazzard, he'll be getting a lot more splinters in his arse.
Rocky7
Good call Eboue. I want Arsenal to be the first London club to win the CL and I don't think that Spuds only getting Europa football would cause the financial meltdown and player exodus that we would find so amusing, particularly after the premature posturing of the fans and players. So Bayern to win for me.
No 10
Rocky, leaving loyalties aside for a moment, if you were in a similar situation to Nasri would you be able to resist the opportunity to give some back when presented with a loaded question, all things considered?
Bluedub
No10. Nasri had more assists in less league games than Theo this season. Bear in mind also that Nasri plays a more withdrawn role than Walcott does and he previously did at Arsenal. He has been one of City's better performers in the second half of the season.
Bluedub
In all honesty? I believe I would. Why does he even care? He's just won the PL for god's sake. Why is he even giving us a second thought? That's what I don't understand. A simple one sentence resonse would have sufficed, but he went on a six page rant. He's not doing himself any favours really.
Rocky7
**Response
Rocky7
I think the majority of our fan base have NOW moved on from Nasri but Nasri himself hasn't moved on from us. The part of the fanbase that still isn't over him are a pitiful minority that includes "fans" like Piers Morgan. We did go a little bit over the top earlier in the season but lately we've been ignoring that little scumbag. It's him that's stirring the pot now. As for the booing, any former player who moves in an acrimonious manner to a rival club, be it for trophies or for the money is entitled to be booed nowadays. (Make no mistake, I do not support the booing and would rather it was abolished altogether) But it's part and parcel of the game nowadays and I've come to accept it. It's up to the player now, to not let the booing affect him. Cashley's learnt that. Nasri needs to learn. Because, like it or not, he is a top class player when he is on song.
Eboue=GOD
I'll finish up by saying this. I think you guysare underestimating the level of abuse he has received. I have never witnessed the volume of blog pieces on one player in one season that I have seen incessantly on City's Newsnow page regarding Nasri, written by Arsenal fans. Hopefully that is the end of it now and both sides can let sleeping dogs lie. The booing will never stop and I wouldn't really expect it to, it's part and parcel of the game but hopefully it's just left at that.
Bluedub
You've never seen that level of abuse? I guess you weren't paying attention when Sol Campbell joined Arsenal. Lol. The booing will always happen to ex-players. I remember when Henry came to Ashburton with Barcelona. He got a rousing reception from the Arsenal fans when he came on the pitch, and then the first time he touched the ball we booed him. :)
Rocky7
Bluedub, where are you getting your stats? The ones I've seen have it Theo is better on both and when you take Nasri substitute appearances the time played is pretty similar. I understand that they play a slightly different position but if you are a winger with two (Top Quality) strikers to aim for you should be getting a lot more assists.
No 10
ESPN Soccernet mate. Theo has 8 and Nasri has 9 according to them.
Bluedub
Oh and I take your point about having two top quality strikers to supply but it's also worth beating in mind that both Nasri and Silva don't play as orthodox wingers, most of City's crosses come from full backs. Nasri is second only to Silva in the City squad for assists this season.
Bluedub
"at a big club, where they never settle for second best" - City? He's aware of the past fifty years, right?
damiano_tommassi
Nasri had the same chance to join ManU if trophies were his focus - and they clearly were in need of midfield reinforcements hence bringing Scholes out of retirement - but he turned them down. Logic says that United would have been at least as good a choice as City (even without midfield reinforcements they only missed out at the last minute on goal difference) so we needn't believe him when he says money wasn't the motivation - it clearly was. As LD says you can't blame him for taking millions more a year but you can blame him for being so dishonest about it.
Amos.
No issues at all with nasri. If we have abused him, which we have, we must be ready to take it on the chin when he has his moment in the sun. Being gracious in victory is alien to football.
Sajit
Ah Bluedub I think I was including Europe & Cup in my stats. And Silva was the top assist maker in the PL so not playing as an orthodox winger didn't seem to be an issue for him...he also scored more too. He is just a better player really, isn't he?
No 10
Just found this quote from him - - "It is annoying. The work we do is not getting the credit it deserves because we are not winning silverware. It is unfair because I think we have more merit as a club than those who have built their teams with millions of pounds whereas Arsenal have brought in young footballers, who have come here to play a certain kind of football and who have developed."
No 10
No10, is Silva a better player than Nasri? Absolutely, no shame in that though because Silva is incredible.
Bluedub
I go back to what I said originally: Nasri didn't contribute a great deal to your teams success. Compare him to Walcott who plays similar positions and has scored more and made more in what was viewed as a weak season. Compare him to Silva and you see what he should be achieving with your team. With the players you have up front I think I could get as many assists as Nasri managed. I wouldn't be surprised if he only lasts one more season with you guys then gets shipped out for a lifetime of ambiguity within football.
No 10
I don't know any gooner who wants Chelsea to win the CL. I frankly don't understand any gooner who would. I've seen Jack Wilshere supporting Chelsea for the CL twitter and think "wtf is wrong with you?" No sane gooner wants Chelsea to be the 1st London club to win the CL - PERIOD. As for Nasri--I find it telling how the first thing he talks about when winning a trophy medal is Arsenal. His comments were incredibly classless--says everything about his character. Insult the club and the manager who brought you to England, helped you develop in a world class league and ENABLED you to be where you are. He has absolutely no class or grace. I don't begrudge Clichy or Kolo trophy medals but Nasri's utter lack of class is something else.
jaelle
I also agree with LD that gooner reaction to Nasri has been very OTT. I see on twitter gooners frequently referring to him and making nasty remarks about him and sending tweets to him and I think "seriously? he simply wasn't that important to us." Ashley Cole-yes, I get that, and join in it. But Nasri was less than a blip in our club's history.
jaelle
Bitter bitter man.
Naijagunner
Couldn't give two fu(ks about the fella
gunnerman76
I can assure you No10 that Nasri contributed a great deal to City's success, having watched every minute of him playing this season it was evident to see his progression as he settled. He won numerous MOTM awards and won the fans player of the month on the official site in March. What the future holds? Time will tell my friend.
Bluedub
The part that really deserves disection in his quote is "I believe Arsenal hasn't won a trophy for many years." Well, yeah you were with us most of that time numbnuts.
Little Dutch
I also take exception to the mindless smug arrogance that fifthcolumnblue and other City fans exude by scolding gooners and Arsenal for not being "ambitious." Tell me, fcb, how "ambitious" were you when you had no money to compete with the big clubs? Just exactly what could you hope for realistically? It's the EASIEST thing in the world to be "ambitious" when you have a bottomless pit of cash at your disposal. It takes absolutely no effort at all. To say that gooners have no ambition to win the big trophies is not only insulting, it's plain old bull***** idiocy. But the simple basic well-documented, well-researched fact in European football is that WAGES are the deciding factor for success. It's the wage bill that gives you trophies. Hell, even the domestic cups are getting that way--look at who won them this season. And as along as Arsenal cannot compete on that front with moneybags City, Chelsea & United, our trophy expectations are far more limited than yours. Yes I know Chelsea didn't do so well this season--but that was pretty unusual for them. You can't expect that to happen every season when you have 3 clubs with higher wage bills than ours.
jaelle
"Well, yeah you were with us most of that time numbnuts." - exactly - heaven forbid he takes responsibility for his own total lack of fight and effort to help us win a trophy.
jaelle
Indeed jaelle, I used to think much the same about Mourinho's gloating at Chelsea. It's like watching a man with a jetpack overtake you in a race and then boast about how much faster he is.
Little Dutch
LD. Arsenal's revenue streams are huge. Where exactly is the money going?
Bluedub
"LD. Arsenal's revenue streams are huge. Where exactly is the money going?" - *shakes head* -- "huge"?? Just as huge as yours? United's? Chelsea"s? Are you saying we're on the same level as the richest clubs in Europe with the biggest wage bills??
jaelle
Why ask me bluedub? The accounts are printed on our website and are a matter of public record. You can see for yourself. http://www.arsenal.com/the-club/corporate-info/arsenal-holdings-financial-results
Little Dutch
Thanks for the link LD.
Bluedub
Jaelle, I merely asked a question, I wasn't suggesting anything. *shakes head*
Bluedub
Arsenal had to raise the money to buy and build a stadium, and have managed their finances at the same time. Not challenges that City can understand.
damiano_tommassi
Bluedub, your club has had everything given to it. A stadium you don't own or pay to build. A futuristic training complex your club didn't pay for, a potential huge cash injection that is being disguised as "redevelopment money", a wage bill that is 20% + over your clubs entire annual turnover. Everything listed above is something we HAVE to pay for from our own business not some rich blokes pockets, where the hell do you think our money goes fella? Jaysus!
Scotch Eggs Rule
Samir Nasri? Like I could care less. He turned up for work for the first 3 months of last season, then promptly went AWOL. On the scale of "important" former players from Arsenal, I think he'd rank about LAST. I think the fact that he stabbed the man who elevated him to the English Premier League in the back inside of two seasons and then proceeds to talk about his old club with such bile, the day after his so-called triumph, says a lot more about him than us.
julieloveshenry4ever
Of course I can understand it. It's a bit ignorant to suggest that I can't just because I'm a City fan, don't you think? I thought the stadium was paid for at this stage. SER City are currently paying for their stadium.
Bluedub
Don't you pay something like £1 million per annum in rent from the local council?
Scotch Eggs Rule
Bluedub - The comments invited that sort of response Bluedub. To just casually say why so unambitious (or words to that effect) is not on. We ARE an ambitious club, hence paying for a brand new state of the art stadium out of our own pockets not a wealthy blokes. All this would of been fine and the years of prudence and scraping by (relatively speaking) but then some Russian **** comes along and lets a mid table club spend what ever they want and an Arab does the same with your club. Success should be earned not bought and after all the hard work this club put in that has been taken away from us by some rich bloke who's bored. I understand that is life, but doesn't mean we have to liek it eh? When you think about it, your comment deserved a lot more than it got from the guys on here, but we're not Chavs or Spuddies so we're not like that.
Scotch Eggs Rule
Apologies, they weren't your comments they were fithcolumns.
Scotch Eggs Rule
I just knew the City fans would not be able to handle the "success", even after numerous (44!)years of failing, which one would have thought, should provide lessons in humility.
Naijagunner
Absolutely agree with Jaelle's and SER's comments on City's finances.
Deltaforce
Pray! Who ever part-finances the wages of a player on loan at a RIVAL club? Only a Club with Daddy-deep-pockets owners can even consider such preposterous profligacy.
Naijagunner
Very simple for me. Print this, and stick it on the dressing room wall next time we face City and Na$ri (the friendly in Beijing doesn't count lol)
GoonerLou
Hey Bluedub. I did say City can't understand it, as in the club, as opposed to 'you can't understand' - and I stand by that, because their situation (posting massive losses and having cash on tap) is a million miles away from the situation Arsenal were in - they made a decision to suffer financially for a few years by investing in building a brand new stadium which cost around £400m all told (please correct me), from money that had been earned via football success and raised by the club. Its really not the same deal. It's like me working for 8 years to get a deposit to buy my flat, and your long-lost uncle buying you a house. Not the same thing at all. Even if you have to pay a fair price for your stadium (and I seriously doubt it - again, please correct me), it's still not the same because MCFC are not paying it; some geezer from the middle-east is.
damiano_tommassi
If I'm mindlessly smug and arrogant, what does that say about Szczesny?

Szczesny concluded: "After what we have done we believe we can challenge Tottenham. We are six or seven points behind them now and we have the momentum. I hope we can challenge them. I said ages ago that we can't realistically win the Premier League any more – now my main ambition is to finish above Tottenham."
fifthcolumnblue
FCB I'm a little lost at that comment. Szczesny is not at all arrogant or smug. He states that Arsenal have momentum and the ability to catch them. Then states that that will be his main focus. The fact that we did finish above the tots is not the point, the point is he believed it. even if we had slipped up on the last day, as we nearly did, we still had the ability to challenge them and I'm glad he felt that. If he was mindlessly smug and arrogant he would've said something like 'with this win we are now the biggest club in England'
No 10
Yeah, what do you want him to say? "We're screwed they're miles in front"? That's self belief, and considering what followed he was well within his rights to express it.
Rocky7
smug and arrogant is "'I made the hard choice to come and fight for my place at a big club, where they never settle for second best, and I have proved it correct."? It was a hard choice Na$, but I'm sure the wedges of cash eased the pain somewhat.
Wyn Mills
Szczesny stated that your sole ambition this season was to finish above Tottenham. Your board sucks all the money up in dividends to line their own pockets while the 5th largest club in the world in terms of revenue (source Deloitte) continues to sit on it's hands and pretend that it's jumpers for goalposts time. When will you Arsenal fans wake up and realise that although you as the paying customers (£1300 per season ticket is most certainly paying) have the ambition to go out and win everything in sight, your board is content to merely qualify for the Champions League year after year to ensure the revenue stream carries on. You're almost as bad as the united fans that swallow the "No value in the market" mantra repeatedly fed to them by Ferguson. You may want to win things, but your board doesn't give a ***** so long as the balance sheet registers a profit. There is much to admire in the "Arsenal way", but 7 years without a trophy would suggest that it ain't working.
fifthcolumnblue
That Szczesny quote was given when we'd gone out of all competitions. Think it's pretty clear he just meant this season. The Arsenal board haven't taken any dividends whatsoever since 2002 when the stadium plans were improved. Again, a matter of public record. And again, being lectured on ambition by a Citeh fan (one that has his most basic facts wrong too) is a bit like Paris Hilton telling people on welfare to get on their bike and find a job.
Little Dutch
Complete ignorance of facts in FCB's comment. Clearly knows nothing about the Arsenal. Just for starters, Szczesny's comment was made after the NLD at the Grove.
Deltaforce
I find Na$ri's comments not only hypocritical but deeply disrespectful to Wenger, and ultimately Arsenal as a club. Us fans are fair game, but this club opened the door into the league for him and the snide remark about lack of ambition is a slap in the face for a manager who believed in him.
Wyn Mills
....not to speak of his old mates at the club. Nasri is a gutter kid with no class whatsoever. Not worth the space.
Naijagunner
Fcb, since when did Sczcessny's reference to 'his' personal ambition equate with that of the Club? He said "now, MY main ambition is to finish above Spurs"... How is that him speaking for the club? If there's been any one who's smug here, it is YOU! The trophy has gotten to your head, quite obviously, to come on here treating us to a lecture about our club, based on a contextually wrong premise.
Naijagunner
Right back atcha folks - you stick to knowing the "Facts" about your own club and we'll stick to knowing the facts about ours - such as how fine a season Nasri has had for us. Deal?
fifthcolumnblue
I'm personally not the slightest bit interested in how Nasri plays unless it's against us. But if he's gonna bring up Arsenal, probably justifiable for Arsenal fans to discuss that.
Little Dutch
City muppets like fcb are part of the reason I would have preferred united to win the league. Making comments about things he has no knowledge about and getting his facts completely wrong. Personally I don't care much about Nasri's comments, if he wants to gloat about his club scraping the league title on goal difference after spending ridiculous sums then it just highlights his stupidity even more. City will probably add a few more trophies to their cabinet but lets face it, it will all feel a bit vacuous when you're spending so much more than everyone else. How can you take pride in the fact a rich arab guy has taken sudden interest (i'm pretty sure he didn't grow up supporting Man City) in your club and decides to outspend everyone making it impossible for anyone else to compete.
bowiecokemirror
I dont pay any attention to what this pillock says anymore. The guy is clearly a dickhead and in retrospect I think it was a case of good riddance to bad rubbish and I am happy we got shot of him. Think eventually his terrible attitude and arrogance would have unsettled our dressing room. Carry on plying your trade at Mercenary Citeh you obnoxious little ***** and we will worry about our own house.
Ned Stark
Well bowiecokemirror, the feeling is reciprocated when we have your fans on our pages patronising us about how we're going about things the wrong way. Can I suggest that what I say about your club is not entirely from the position of a hostile rival fan? My wife is, after all a born and raised north Londoner and Arsenal fan, so I do spend a certain ammount of time chatting to her and several of her Arsenal supporting friends and family, and quite a few of them have expressed opinions similar to mine. If I am muppet who is slightly lacking in knowledge of your club as you so succinctly put it mr coke mirror, then that's hardly surprising as yours is not the club I support.; But from the opinions of other Arsenal fans who don't appear to have their heads shoved quite as far up their own fundaments as a few on here seem to, something is rotten at the Emirates and needs to be changed. I won't try and change your opinions, as you will only close ranks and close your ears. But if you don't want to see a future exodus of your finest players, perhaps you should look into your own cokemirrors and see what's looking back at you. In particular, sections of your fans and the way they treat not only your past players, but those still wearing the shirt. Stop the vile abuse of your own and perhaps they might want to stay.

http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/21080
fifthcolumnblue
FCB that was me saying Nasri had a mediocre season and I based that opinion on facts - his goals and assists, not on opinion ie how he played between those five goals and nine assists.
No 10
I agree, it is a bit childish to abuse ex-players, not something I would join in with even if I did have an opinion on it. When a player leaves a club for a rival club, they often get abuse, it's not something unique to our club. That said, I don't like the way fans get on the back of current players like Theo and Ramsey. I don't mind Nasri saying what he did, just find it very small time to get in to such petty arguments with fans of your old club. Frankly if I had his money and lifestyle there are a lot more interesting things I could be doing. Your conspiracy theories about Arsenal's finances are very wide of the mark. As LD has already stated, our financial records are available to the public and has already been scrutinised by many. If it was a Glazer like situation, don't you think someone would have picked up on it. Our commercial revenues are not as high as the other major European clubs atm and we will only be able to compete better when we renegotiate our sponsorship deals. City and Chelsea don't have to worry about balancing the books as they have owner ready to pour more money in whenever they need it. City have already tried to get round the FFP regulations with some dodgy sponsorship deals so I'm not sure that will make any difference. How do we expect us to show ambition and sign top players when other clubs can afford to offer them twice the wages. AW has made big signings in the past when more money was available to him. It can't be a coincidence that he has become tight with his spending as soon as we move in to a new stadium.
bowiecokemirror
That is a pretty laughable article about Clichy from a blog that is a total laughing stock amongst Arsenal fans. The gentleman that wrote that article has written weekly articles for the last 2-3 years detailing of a refereeing conspiracy and match fixing to deprive Arsenal of silverware. A lot of the fanbase began to lose faith in Clichy, that much is true. And nobody gets more annoyed than me when our fans give our own players stick. But to say Clichy was being routinely abused is total nonsense. I never heard any booing of him in a ground, the blog seems to think that Clichy was spending his time reading the darkest recesses of the forum comments boxes on the web. I think he moved on at the right time and I don't think many have an axe to grind with him. Ditto Kolo. Personally, I'm pleased for both of them. Adebayor and Nasri get stick and they will have to expect that to a certain extent. But to refer to anything Clichy experienced as "vile abuse" is to live in total la la land. Nasri got amazing support from our supporters whilst he was here. To allege that fans somehow drive players out that end up leaving for double their salaries is ludicrous and deluded in the extreme.
Little Dutch
Wonder what the reaction to Van persie will be if he starts seeking a move? Bet it won't be a terribly positive one, despite the extreme heroics he's undertaken this season to almost single-handedly ensure you finished in the top 4. For what it's worth, whilst RVP has had a fantastic season, I don't think he'll be able to replicate it, and sincerely hope City don't buy him. He's not getting any younger, has had his injury problems and will have little sell-on value. Besides, I'd rather the gooner fans had someone else on which to vent their considerable spleens.
fifthcolumnblue
The reaction will be fine provided van Persie doesn't trash the club at every turn. Why do you think Kolo Toure gets a standing ovation every time he comes back? Vieira too. Eduardo scored a goal against us and our whole ground celebrated it. Are you really that dense that you think every player that leaves us gets stick? It very clearly comes down to the manner in which you do it. Yossi Benayoun has already announced he's left us. Why don't you have a quick gander at this twitter feed and see what kind of feedback he's had?
Little Dutch
FCB, dont worry, there is little chance RVP will be interested in joining Citeh as well. Many Citeh fans disagree with you on this issue though, I heard quite a few of your fans chanting "RVP is ours" when City lost at the Grove this season.
Deltaforce
Fifth - RVP's heroics this season are only matched by the time spent on the treatment table. He's been with us for 8 seasons and after one exceptional season you believe we should all be noshing the bloke off because he managed to stay fit for longer than 8 months and then decides to leave? If that is the level of your Arsenal knowledge and insite, I'd suggest moving along elsewhere....for the record, atleast RVP did have a good "season", Nasri bottled it after 3 good months then ****ed us off continually ever since. He's going to get dogs abuse when we see him next and I'll be there doing my bit. Maybe a look at the reaction Toure gets compared to douchebags like Adebayor and Nasri will let you know we're actually pretty fair minded until some ego driven, money grabbing, crooked toothed, hooked nosed transvestite look alike starts acting up.
Scotch Eggs Rule
...but then again, does Nasri's attitude and that of Adebayor's reflect your club and their complete lack of respect and respect of the laws of football when it came to dealing with Arsenal. It's widely know that you guys broke every transfer law going when tapping up Nasri, I suppose from that perspective the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Scotch Eggs Rule
I think that if anyone looks at the season it is quite easy to see that, when we had anything near a full strength squad, we had a team that could challenge for the title. We came third in a season where we effectively played our pre-season in the first months of the PL. We played for over a month with no left or right back consequently sapping creativity. We played for the last 5-6 weeks with an injured keeper and conceded 8-10 goals, dropping 7-10 points in that time. We played the whole season without one of our brightest prospects in Jack and without what can be a very useful Diaby. We suffered after loosing three first team members in a very difficult summer and found ourselves in 17th after the worst start to a season for nearly 60 years. And that same team, with all the issues listed, finished 3rd! We only failed to take points of Man U, in fact I think they are the only team we failed to beat. We only failed to score in three games and came from behind to beat a team seven times (a PL record?). So I would suggest that anyone leaving this team to compete for silverware either hasn't had it pointed out that this team CAN compete...or is a liar!
No 10
lol @ fcbs faux concern at resell value, poor lamb. How nice of him to consider poor manwh0res monetary stability. Look after the pennies eh?
nikolaijns
If that is the level of your Arsenal knowledge and insite, I'd suggest moving along elsewhere
Scotch eggs rule

hence my reference to him having injury problems. Or did you merely react to the comment without reading it? Hooked nosed - is that a reference to racial origins?
fifthcolumnblue
Kolo Toure gets a standing ovation because your fans widely decided that he was well past his best and derided City for accepting damaged goods. He left because he was surpluss to requirments, therefore you have no axe to grind with him. RVP, if he goes will be absolutely vilified by the majority of your fans, despite what a few of you might say. It seems to be in your fans nature to direct a great deal of hatred towards your own players past and present, and it really does you know credit as a club - whether those who choose to boo their own are in a minorty is a moot point, because it happens continuously (Norwich is the most recent incident that springs to mind). Why in the hell do you do this?
fifthcolumnblue
P.S. Just to be pedantic scotchy, it's "insight".
fifthcolumnblue
Clearly you didn't read my comment. You hinted at us being ungrateful if we gave him stick for leaving, your comment, your hint, your ignorance. No, the simple fact is he's got a hook nose and buck teeth. Want to make me out to be xenophobic? Jog on sunshine I thought you were better than that, clearly not judging by your pathetic insinuation. If I said Tevez has the face of a monkey (which he clearly does) would you say I was being xenophobic towards Latino's or would I say it because he is a particularly ugly example of a human? I would say work it out, but it's probably beyond you. Your welcome as another teams fan has been well and truly worn out with me, do not reference me or my posts again you'll get short shrift.
Scotch Eggs Rule
Pedantic - That means talking down to someone.
Scotch Eggs Rule
P.S. just to be extra pedantic it's 'no' not 'know'...........
Scotch Eggs Rule
Y'mean insight? Not that I can't take someone seriously trying to knock someone else for what they can't spell. Nope Kolo gets an ovation because he's a good bloke who has never bad mouthed Arsenal and we have fond memories of him. Cesc is a player who has left arguably before even hitting prime, whilst none of us were happy about it 98% wish him well and thank him for his time with us.
nikolaijns
Why are you even here filthy? you've bought your title well done, what do you want validation? congrats? Anyone can win if you overspend. I could win anything on ebay for instance by putting a 50 mill snipe on it but I wouldn't expect plaudits for it. Four players have left us for you, 2 are respected and liked in Toure and clichy two are ridiculed and vilified for their behaviour and classless comments in Nasri and Adebayor, do you see the connection? in the words of Rolf Harris 'Can you tell what it is yet?'
nikolaijns
You guys must be having fun with these Citeh fans. I personally find Na$ri's comment that of gutterkid that was not trained prperly. Toure comes to Arsenal any day and we still clap for him. Unfortnately, just like Adebayor peaople like Na$ri will show their true colour eventualy
phreddy
Sorry Scotch Egg but to be pedantic is to be overly concerned with small details. FCB is definitely a pedant.
No 10
nikolaijns
Really? Well, ya learn something new every day....
Scotch Eggs Rule
As long as you don't mix it up with pederast you'll be fine mate ;)
nikolaijns
Means I've been getting those two words mixed up for years lol Pedantic and patronising, ooops!
Scotch Eggs Rule
fcb, you really are a very poor WUM. Every time you have your half baked points dissected, you just come back with overly emotive, sensationalist rubbish just to get a response and mask the fact that you had your pants pulled down. Have some dignity man. Or better still grow up a bit, eh?
Little Dutch
<---looking up pederast...
Scotch Eggs Rule
........Oh dear! lol
Scotch Eggs Rule
yeah exactemundo
nikolaijns
fcb as your wife is a gooner does this mean you go round cherry picking her possessions at vastly exorbitant prices to really hack her off?
nikolaijns
The only players I can recall getting grief from Gooners after they left are Ashley Cole, Adebayor, Nasri and to a lesser extent, Flamini. And as you can tell, they all gave us good reason. Of course some fans take it too far, but you can't tar us all with the same brush. There is a bloody good reason so many players leave Arsenal and then go on to either A) Regret it ... or B) Come back and work for the club.
Rocky7
....and then question her and her clubs "ambition"?
Scotch Eggs Rule
Rocks, all of those players acted the tw*t and deserved the grief they got. For some rank outsider to even question that AND be humoured by Gooners (long after the interest level of his posts died down) shows we're not all unreasonable toe-rags.
Scotch Eggs Rule
fcb, you have some front criticizing Arsenal fans when Tevez had to be provided with police protection from your own mob! Better check your hypocrisy at the door mate. Kolo Toure left Arsenal thanking the team and the fans in his first press conference as a City player. By contrast Na$ri was complaining well before he'd left and was openly criticizing his former club and its supporters just 24hrs after signing for City. He's quoted as admitting he left the club with 'anger and bitterness in his heart' - so he can hardly expect to be on many gooners' xmas card lists. It all started with Na$ri wanting pay parity with Cesc, who was our captain at the time. When he didn't get it he decided to throw his toys out of his pram, and that's when we started to see the creature he really was. To be fair to him he has never made a secret of the fact that he wants to win silverware, and no-one would begrudge him taking a short cut. Its just the classless manner in which he has gone about it that grates.
Wyn Mills
...and having a big nose and very bad teeth!
Scotch Eggs Rule
I was going to mention that I thought you'd got mixed up with patronising but I didn't want to be...well......
No 10
Well you know us Patropedantxenoracialists we're all the same....
Scotch Eggs Rule
Do any of you Gooners remember ever winning a trophy .... no I didnt think any of you were that old. To get a feel of it and how it was for Samir and Gael, go to the official ManCity website and click 'citytv' which is free. There are great interviews, a wonderful cameo of Gael and Joe Hart celebrating the winning goal and a wonderful quote from Samir on the celebration bus saying he was so thankful he had moved and that he had never experienced siuch wonderful support before.
Wswilly3
Well none of us are as old as you willy, does ws stand for well senile? and three the number of times the nurse needs to change you daily?
nikolaijns
Seen Gael Clichy lift a Premier League title thanks. Though it must be good fun willy to see your team win the league every year. How much did you get for your United shirts on ebay?
Little Dutch
WsWilly, where are you going to put that trophy, seeing as you've never won anything like it in living memory? Did your club remember to convert one of the hurdles stores into a trophy room?
Wyn Mills
Funnily enough I'm in my 30s (half your age?) and you'll be long gone by the time City catch up to the amount of trophies I've seen the Gunners win :)
Rocky7
The only thing you have to attack me on is my age .... how very sad and at the same time how very amusing, as it says more about you than you could begin to comprehend. Dont forget to watch citytv it is unbelievably good.... whatever your age!
Wswilly3
If you've been a City fan since 56, you'll have seen us win *takes breath* 6 league titles, 7 F.A. Cups, 2 League Cups, 1 Fairs Cup and 1 Cup Winners Cup. I respect that your memory is obviously showing signs of slowing down, but now cast that mind back and search your cranium for the amount of trophies you've seen City win in the same time period. If you're gonna come over here willy waving, don't come half cocked with that wrinkled old sausage old man.
Little Dutch
In fact, it's not even really willy waving you're doing is it there glory boy? What you're essentially doing is waving a rich sheikh's dildo at us after 44 years of crushing impotence. Not to worry, I'm sure the Sheikh will start chewing your food for you now your teeth have gone and you can boast about being able to eat a banana without the use of a blender.
Little Dutch
WsWilly, Are you a kid or an old bloke? Whichever way I guess this will probably be the first time you've ever seen a league trophy. Good isn't it?
Wyn Mills
Bitter, bitter Gooners who celebrated coming third....... Pathetic little Gooners.
Wswilly3
you saggy old to55er
nikolaijns
Ah yes, and once the goons have run out of something to say, the invective begins. Plus ca change. You are far and away the most peculiarly insular group of posters on the Vital network, and although your inherent sense of superiority and snobishness does vex me at times, it is rather amusing. Confirmation bias runs amok on Vital Arsenal, and as always the smug pats of self congratulations for "seeing off" someone who doesn't share your opinions, or even dares to challenge them emerge once you've all brown-nosed yourselves silly. Congratulations on finishing third on the final day of the season, it's all down hill from here ladies.
fifthcolumnblue
Gooners it's simple really when you compete in the market and buy top players like Bergkamp, Henry, Overmars etc. you compete and win trophies. When you fleece your supporters for £1300 season tickets and feed them lines about the unfairness of 'financial doping' while selling your (disillusioned) best players to further enhance your healthy balance sheet you don't compete. Yes we know we've been lucky and hit the ownership jackpot but as this new chapter in our history is mapped out we won't forget where we came from. Any of you lot ever learn about your murky history, how you became a 'big' club ? Shafting your founding members to move to North London for a bigger catchment area ? Being promoted to the top division at the expense of teams finishing with more points than you ? Suppose Herbert Chapman took a pay cut to come south as did some of his Huddersfield team. Ar$enal....the clue is in the name.
Ben-a-bia
Not a case of "seeing off" people who don't share opinions, but people that smugly come over to have a jibe without even the most basic facts at hand get their, well, dividends. Not that you even know what they are FCB. And if after that you just start trying to willy wave, poking your tongue out from behind your rich benefactor, well, we'll have at it. Cos when it comes to willy waving we're just packing more sausage in the old undercrackers department. Have facts, have a point and you'll be engaged in debate. But have untruths and vacant jibes and you'll be packed off.
Little Dutch
Ah, willy waving, is that what it all boils down to? My dad is bigger than your dad, etc. I now understand why the Tottenham fans have nicknamed you the "Student gwants", very apt indeed. And your willy could certainly use some viagra these days, why you haven't got it up in seven years!
fifthcolumnblue
Bang on me ol dutch. Willys never offered sod all here and the old ballbag face gets treated as such.
nikolaijns
Wow filthycolumn, obviously feeling unsatisfied with the way you've won the title which is understandable. If you make incredibly stupid comments you are going to get mocked here. What do you want us to do? Agree with your stupid theories as to where all the money is going at our club or how we treat our players. I forget, your wife is a gooner and she has informed you about these matters. Unfortunatley we have as many stupid, misinformed fans as any other big club and I suspect your wife and her friends might be some examples of them. If you really want to change your minds, why don't you provide us with some evidence to back your wild claims. As for bragging after winning one title in 44 years, that's sign of a small time club with small time fans.
bowiecokemirror
"Any of you lot ever learn about your murky history" Some bedtime reading old chum; http://www.arsenal.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=522680 http://www.arsenal.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=521507 http://www.arsenal.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=506261 You'd struggle t find a site that has documented Norris, Chapman and the move to N5 more. FCB, yes lord forbid this would descend into indecent willy waving. I mean, how unedifying would that be? *Looks at Nasri quote from article above* Oh........wait.........
Little Dutch
Fan of a club who didn't win anything for 35 years mocking us for not winning anything in 7 years. Talk about lacking in self-awareness.
bowiecokemirror
So any talk of financial doping is pure hypocrisy when it comes Ar$enal, glad that's cleared up.
Ben-a-bia
Student gwants cool, never went to college meself but hey when the hell has a spud ever let the truth get in the way? Still better a student gwant i guess than a bunch of paranoid, siege mentality ridden, council house charity cases with an eternity spent in their neighbours gargantuan shadow nurturing that small club mentality, just a northern lotto chelski, at least the russian owns his own stadium, keep licking the sheikhs ringpiece and enjoy your empty bragging over the shiny thing he bought for the best part of a billion. Ultimately what hurts is that you waited half a century for this and now it's finally arrived noone respects you, noone is congratulating you, You can smell the emptiness of your pyrrhic tawdry victory. You're killing football and deep down you all know it.
nikolaijns
In fact you will henceforth be referred to by me as the football killers, has a nice ring to it.
nikolaijns
Mmmmm, we were "financially doped" how? Making a business decision that returns on your investment differs subtly to having a random dude turn up and pump you full of cash he's never getting back. You do realise that?
Little Dutch
Arsenal fans are ace :)
Rocky7
Sorry folks, nothing hurts, except myt sides from laughing at how wound up you're all getting! "Oooh we're killing football and deep down we all know it" !0/10 for originality there Nikolaijns. Seeing as I am so ill-informed, I've been going through your accounts as has been helpfully suggested by several members on here. I now see why you're so fiancially scuppered, as the banks make you keep £125m in reserve simply to ensure that you can pay the debts if they're called in. I guess that is a bit of a burden. Also of interst is the fact that your dividend payments have declined by roughly 80% in a single year. Now that's not down to your shareholders being nice, that's down to your decline in net profit (down from £61m in 2010 to just over £12m last year). Perhaps dirty old oil baron Sheikh Mansour should buy another of your players and keep your sorry arses afloat? I mean just how much money have manchester City put into the coffers of Arsenal? And this is the thanks we get? LOL! P.S. At least this humble council house dweller now understands why you celebrate qualifying for the Champions League every year - without that income you are righteously scuppered!
fifthcolumnblue
The bitterness is strong in you gooners. No-one respects you no-one is congratulating you ? Check out the youtube footage of the QPR end on Sunday or Sunderland fans doing the poznan when the result came through. Being an exiled Manc I have many friends/ colleagues who support a variety of clubs and to a man they all wanted us to win it. Killing football, buying success check out some of them articles your friend pointed out above...those in glass houses
Ben-a-bia
Stopped reading after the first two words filthy. Well it's good that you're sorry, you are killing football after all. We can't offer you penance here though, We're Arsenal not priests. Good luck wit dat though.
nikolaijns
ben please don't confuse taking the p15s out of utd with respect for the football killers, it's just the dark humour that is the mainstay of the footy fan.
nikolaijns
And your friends/collegues? Yeah they're lying. They know you endorse killing football and you are well out of that circle of trust.
nikolaijns
I am merely suggesting that football has always worked in this way. I also think that Sheikh Mansour would reject the notion that he hasn't a clue about making sound investments.
Ben-a-bia
Wow, it took a long time but I think we finally got it through his thick skull. We are run as a proper business and have to break even at least. That's why when we win something it will be deserved. Well done filthy, you finally grasped that difficult concept.
bowiecokemirror
Profits went down because we'd sold off all the flats from the Highbury development, which made our profit margins more generous in 2010. We've still got the Queensland Road development monies to come in, which will up our profits for the next accounts. But all the while the debt is shrinking, so the cash boosts are just welcome bonuses. The shrinkage of dividend payments might have something to do with the fact that we are now 96% owned by 2 individuals. We don't have many shareholders. But, yes CL qualification is important because, like any business, if you earn more money, you can spend more. Pretty basic, not the la la land of steroids City inhabit, but the real world that most of the world's companies face every day. Like I said earlier, it's like teaching Paris Hilton why most people don't just drink smoothies and watch daytime TV for a living.
Little Dutch
No no ben, the oracle has spoken. As per usual, we must bow down to the might of the unrivalled cleverness and moral rectitude of the arsenal fans, for they are, as ever completely correct, and everyone but the mighty goons is a mere savage living in a mud hut. Either that or they've a bunch of stuck up****s with a chip on their shoulder the size of a small third-world country. I'll leave you to decide. Night night ladies, I'd love to say it's been a pleasure, but as always, you leave me stunned at just how far one set of fans can cram their head up their own backsides.
fifthcolumnblue
You've got the income from developments to come in, you've sold all the flats, blah blah. And it's City that ar killing football XD. Hypocrites!
fifthcolumnblue
Unlike you lot I'm not deluded so I know it's not done out of genuine love for my club. Most of it is because they are sick of seeing Stretford win it every year unchallenged by the likes of Ar$enal. If, and it's a big if, we go on and have a period of domination over 10/20 years I expect us to become hated like the rags are and Liverpool were before them. Most neutrals prefer different clubs to win it every now and again which is why I remember my local being in uproar when Michael Thomas scored that goal in 89.
Ben-a-bia
Come back tomorrow and we'll continue our cunning ploy to free your gooner wife from her football killing misery ;) xx p.s. please post photographic evidence re the head cramming.
nikolaijns
So which is it ben? first you claim that both QPR and Sunderland were bowing down in awe and massive respect to the plucky hard fought underdog 900 million lashing football killers, but now you're saying it's only out of a hatred/boredom of utd? Most neutrals do want different clubs to win the league, I'm sure Blackburn got the same, doesn't change the fact they bought it though, there's a distinct difference though between buying the league and killing football. The chavs have done their best to strangle fair competition now you are killing it softly with your pong, final nail time.
nikolaijns
gooners eh ? You believe what you want voice of doom I'll leave you lot to pat each other on the back over the purity of your business model while we'll get on with the task of challenging for trophies, enjoy I know I will
Ben-a-bia
Keep sucking the oil cock football killer.
nikolaijns
Why is it all your best players want to leave such a wonderful club like Arsenal? No not for the money but because they actually want to win titles. If any of you bothered to listen to what Samir said it was that he knew this was a pipe dream at Arsenal and the facts support his decision. He now has a Premier winners medal not a third place certificate of incompetence. Look also at the joy shown by Clichy when we scored the winner and look at the pride shown by Viera. Why didn't he join the back room staff at Arsenal .... Because he is a winner not someone who sees third place as a bit of a triumph. Why will RVP leave? For the same reason ... You guys know the truth but just can't admit reality.
Wswilly3
nikolaijns
Erm sorry to break it to you gramps but it didn't seem to be a certificate of incompetence when we gifted 3rd to you last season did it? Why the feck would I listen to that pipsqueak sex op aberration? Wins the title and on the same pitch starts talking about Arsenal lol THAT is bitterness. I laughed at the eunuch freak and actually pitied him. Vieira wasn't asked to join us that's why he didn't join. Only one truth here, you're killing football, even you'll probably outlive it.
nikolaijns
City used to have all round pretty decent fans. Now there's many acting like a bunch of chavvy lottery winners. Noisy neighbours is right. Now they won't shut up. Billions of petrodollars, Zero class. You'd think after years of being sh@t on by the real Manchester club they'd have learnt a thing or two about humility. Na$ri fits right in there alright.
Wyn Mills
City fans, you convince only yourselves with your error riddled and half baked arguments. This is not a debate, its a slaughter.
Deltaforce
Yes FCB, again the property sales were business decisions, literally living off the fat of our own land. We owned the land, so we sold it. It helped finance the stadium. Just smart business sense and one capitalised on via our own success as a business. A random sheikh didn't just stick a pin in a map and write us a cheque. There are upsides and downsides to our business model, the way our club is run, on occasion you can certainly ask questions of decisions made by the board and plenty of Arsenal fans openly question their ambition. But, when it comes down to it, your inferiority complex comes down to the fact that you're a phallic symbol for a random oil rich billionaire. A mere penis extension. That's why the week you've won the league you still manage to show this extraordinary bitterness (well, that and because every time someone deconstructs one of your points, you just start barking into the night like a dog on a completely different tangent). Personally, I haven't decided whether I consider 3rd to be a relative success or not. No idea. But I'm relaxed. I've seen Arsenal win plenty of silverware and I'll see us win plenty more, so my choice is always just to enjoy the ride.
Little Dutch
"This is not a debate it's a slaughter" - "Vieira wasn't asked to join us, that's why he didn't join".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2012503/Patrick-Vieira-snub-Arsenal-return.html

And you claim I'm the one who can't get his facts right? Confrimation bias. Keep patting yourselves on the back girls about "deconstructing one of my points", i guess you need to convince yourselves you can still win at something. You really do take the biscuit for being utterly delusional.
fifthcolumnblue
That you take an article from the Daily Mail that offers not decernable facts and present it as truth to back up your failures only serves to prove our point.
Rocky7
http://news.arseblog.com/2012/04/campbell-bergkamp-and-vieira-would-love-arsenal-job/ Depends on who you believe I guess.
Little Dutch
All wound up are we FCB? Its okay, congratulations on buying the title. There are better ways of getting validation from us than acting like an attention deficit disorder basket case.
Deltaforce
Filth - Your argument and statements (re Arsenal finances) were ripped to shreds by the posters here and all you can come back with is this "No no ben (Ben should be spelt with a capital letter btw), the oracle has spoken. As per usual, we must bow down to the might of the unrivalled cleverness and moral rectitude of the arsenal fans". I take it you ran out of things you thought were clever to say by then and just decided to post like a total **** , for a change lol. By the way, where did you find the 2 ****ants to come and hold your hand while you post your genius observations? Wanted some back up to tackle the nasty, nasty Arsenal fans who made you do a boo boo?
Scotch Eggs Rule
HA HA HA! Filth takes an article from the DM with no quotes and presents it as fact, the actions of a total mug! Or you could take Sol Campbell's comments about how when he ACTUALLY spoke with Bergkamp and Viera that they would both love to come back to Arsenal if a position was offered. Filth, run along sunshine, you're just embarrassing yourself further. The DM as fact HA HA HA, brilliant, can't get over that!
Scotch Eggs Rule
Gosh you guys have got chips on your shoulders so deep that it must really hurt to keep on failing to win anything... season after season. We know because it happened to us but history means nothing, it is the present and future that matters and that is what you dear Gooners have to fear. Players who want to leave, very average signings, a wage structure that will not compete at the top level and mean, mean owners. A real recipe for continued failure which is why I understand your totally negative state of mind. 'Gooners are Goners' should be your strap line. Whilst our strap line is 'onwards and upwards' ... FA Cup last season. League title this season and Champions League next season .....Blue Moon.
Wswilly3
fcb, you're a glutton for punishment mate.
Wyn Mills
Which posts here indicate Gooners are in a negative state of mind? Does not a City fan, desperately trying to justify his teams winning the title on another teams board indicate a far more deeper disaffection?
Scotch Eggs Rule
Just been on the Vital Chelsea site wishing them well for Saturday. Assume you positive Gooners will be doing the same.
Wswilly3
Wswilly, why don't you go wave your apendage somewhere else. While you're busy buying the league and recruiting as many mercenaries as you can we'll do our best to win it without spending obscene money. Very average signings you say? I notice your club are always first in the queue with your chequebook at the ready, so they can't be that average. We have no fears at all about our future. Its very bright, and its very sustainable. You, on the other hand, had better hope your rich sugar daddy doesn't get bored or his oil doesn't run out.
Wyn Mills
Just been on the Vital Chelsea site wishing them well for Saturday. Assume you positive Gooners will be doing the same Wswilly3 - Of course you would of, mercenaries stick together...................till the money runs out.
Scotch Eggs Rule
Why would you assume that Willy? As the result of the CL final has absolutely no baring on my team I've got interest in what happens. If you think that by offering some meaningless gesture to Chelsea fans somehow makes you morally superior then I pity you I really do.
Rocky7
They are just so insecure they come here looking for a verbal pat on the head and for us to say "there, there, well done"....how very sad.
Scotch Eggs Rule
Yeah I'm sure you've popped over to vital manure and offered them heartfelt best wishes in all their finals over the years eh old timer willywaver? feck chavski, feck their criminal oil stooge league buying roubles, feck their racist grunt of a captain and feck you you gripey coffin dodging old coot! :)
nikolaijns
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nikolaijns
It is my understanding that if Chelsea win, then they go straight into the main draw and Arsenal into the qualifying rounds. If Chelsea lose, Arsenal get a pass and Spurs are in the qualifying rounds .... kind of makes sense for all of North London to support Bayern
kernowboy71
Nope if Chelsea win, both Chelsea and Arsenal go in to the group stage. Braga and Spartak Moscow will be promoted form the 3rd qualifying round to the play-off round. I'm sure our place in the group stage is safe whatever happens. Hope Bayern hammer Chelsea and then Spuds get walloped by whoever they meet in the play-off round. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_UEFA_Champions_League
bowiecokemirror
Arsenal are through anyway kernow no quallys. If chavs win then England shows four teams none of which need to qualify.
nikolaijns
Clearly another rubbish blog that doesn't reflect the opinions of the vast majority of your fans, right?

http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/index.php/news/2436/30/What-is-the-point-of-Arsenal-today
fifthcolumnblue
Oh, and here's one that SHOCK HORROR wants to deny all the righteous bull about (in a whiny voice) "doing things properly" and send your club into the arms of a football killing Billionaire. Can't have that on the morally upstanding Vital Arsenal.

http://highbury-house.com/2012/05/18/one-way-to-stop-players-leaving-alisher-usmanov/
fifthcolumnblue
fifthcolumnblue - You're quoting Myles Palmer to us? He's a f****** Man Utd fan in an Arsenal shirt, he only just pips Piers Morgan to being the biggest ***t pretending to be an Arsenal fan. Just stop coming here to embarrass yourself, it's pathetic. You know nothing about our club, the opinions of proper fans on-line and you keep quoting Palmer and the Daily Mail which is, frankly retarded. Your ignorance is incredible Filth, jog on sunshine.
Scotch Eggs Rule
You're a trier, 10/10 for persistence, there's a good lad.
Scotch Eggs Rule
And behold yet another left the place of plague and pestilence and moved to a place where the trophies were full of milk and honey. He joined his friends Gael and Samir plus his mentor Patrick and he blessed all those around him for his good fortune and his name was RVP. And he was to prosper like them.
Wswilly3
When spuds troll on here, they at least have something rational to say, with the exception of a few nitwits who aren't here for the banter, but are out to irritate just for the fun of it. But to see filthy column and willywaver do their thing, is becoming quite irritating in the extreme. Can't these guys see how silly and retarded their arguments are? Once upon a time, citeh had genuine fans who stuck with them through the lean years, were generally genuine football fans with whom we had good relationships and genuine banter from time to time, and with whom one might have rejoiced even if a little envious of their good fortune, seeing as they've never been our rivals. But these new breed of fans are the worst sort of glory hunters I've encountered since the advent of moaningho and the Chavs, and they are simply senseless and insufferable. They would do well to take a good look at the road the Chavs are currently traveling, their sugar daddy will get tired soon enough, and they will eventually have to live within their means.
deledudu
I see - so everyone is wrong but the posters on Vital Arsenal. But we already knwe that didn't we?
fifthcolumnblue
Atleast you've realised the truth Filth, no point you hanging round making the place look untidy then.....
Scotch Eggs Rule
And the day came to pass when Samir beheld the golden boot and mighty contract that RVP possessed and became unsettled. 'Your highness, why hath thou forsaken me, the true heir of Zidane? Am I too not worthy of your love and riches?' And his Lord grew angry at his greed and cast him out, as he was to do with many of his flock.
Wyn Mills
"they've never been our rivals." And that in a nutshell is why you are so bitter and twisted about Manchester City. Glory hunters eh? Must have imagined my season ticket of the last two decades. The one thing that posting on vital Arsenal always guarantees is the eventual trotting out of the old cliches - "Killing football" (Cheers Nikolains, not heard that one before), name calling (Ooh, retarded, sticks and stones), and of course the incredible backslapping of your posters in having "seen off" the misguided fans of another club. At least you're getting a few comments on what is otherwise a fairly moribund site. And cheers, I do appreciate the comedy provided by all and sundry, this site is almost up there with "The Republic of Mancunia" in the laughter stakes.
fifthcolumnblue
Who call you retarded? I said the act of offering the DM and Myles palmer as evidence was retarded. So not only do you have no clue, but you struggle to grasp the English language properly, as highlighted by your comical attempt to correct my spelling, which was in itself littered with spelling mistakes LOL You're just digging deeper and deeper and doing yourself no favours at all. The comedy wouldn't of been available without the likes you trying to mug everyone off with your "knowledge" on all things Arsenal. Thanks for the laugh Filth, we've enjoyed it your in-depth look into the world of football comedy, but you're getting boring now, so probably time to go back to the council house with the other ex-chelsea fans. P.S. It's spelt "Republik of Mancunia" with a "k".
Scotch Eggs Rule
You never actually have a point do you FCV? Every time you attempt one, you get some replies and then you just start barking emptily at the next gripe. ANR is quite genuinely one of the most laughed at blogs on the web. In fact, there's even a spoof of Myles Palmer's stuff here (Myles isn't an Arsenal fan btw and freely admits it). http://www.oleole.com/blogs/anr In fact, if you look at one of the last entries on ANR, it's an article absolutely ripping into the Untold Arsenal blog! They're literally the two most lunatic wings of the Arsenal blogosphere (except Arsenal Action, those dudes are the king bisccuit takers). You never actually make any kind of tangible point, you just come out with unqualified guff like "oooh, you guys are always right aren't you?" which doesn't actually contribute to any sort of debate and is usually the sort of line trotted out by someone that has literally no other counter. You're like the child that just starts directly imitating everything the other person says, but in a girl's voice. If some Arsenal fans do want Usmanov in (and no question, a fair few do) that's their business. An opinion they're quite entitled to. But what relevance does that have to the likes of niko and others who don't want to see that? It's look throwing a bible at an atheist and saying, "look, look some people believe this!" So what?
Little Dutch
Fcb, if this site is moribund then I reckon Vital Man City is in an advanced state of rigor mortis! Mate, its been fun bantering but you must realise by now you'll get no change from this site. We're not blind. We can all see our team's deficiencies, but the last thing we need are c0ck-sure city fans lording it over us. Third place, considering our paltry investments and the fact that you lot keep nicking our players, is an achievement for us. It may seem small beer to you, but that's just a reflection on how your expectations have changed. This article started off with a discussion on whether Nasri merited the abuse he was getting from the fans. Many feel that he's not helping himself by making the kind of statements he has, and telling us to forget him seems pretty ironic when he comes out with this guff.
Wyn Mills
Wyn, you could extend that last theory to certain "outside" posters here also......
Scotch Eggs Rule
It's amazing how a little success changes ordinarily nice folks into ogres overnight. Citeh fans used to be such nice lots, and I do hope the likes of willywaver and filthy column aren't what their fans have become. Sad. Even the Chavs on Kings road didn't become this deluded until well into Moaningho's era.
deledudu
filthy you're becoming a little deranged, it obviously pains you that having sold the soul of your club other clubs have fans that don't want their club to be any more of a rich mans plaything than it already is. Mansour is a bit{h, a greasy little rich boy snake whose family have stolen the natural resources of a nation on some premise of self appointed royalty. If you aren't sickened by the 900+ million spunked on a football club then quite frankly you're dead inside. The moniker of football killers will be spread far and wide, it will go hand in hand with MCFC so that eventually the whole world will know you as MCFK. They will know..oh yes :)
nikolaijns
Wow nikolaijns doesnt have a chip on his shoulder its the Grand Canyon. The envy and jealousy is dangerously extreme. Is he really that deranged?
Wswilly3
Dick3 - you don't mind if I call you dick3 do you, it seems so apt, what with your name and behaviour? There's no chip on his shoulder or anyone else's, just a stating of the facts as he and we all see them. None of us have any respect for you as a club or yourseleves as fans, that pretty much sums this all up.
Scotch Eggs Rule
Willy don't just sit there in the mess you've made, you're upsetting the other patients call a nurse/relative fer gawd sake.
nikolaijns
RVP just cant wait to get to the Etihad to be with winners but will have to wait until afterthe Euros. Still you have got a great German failure to replace him after seeing his current side relegated. Thought about Michael Owen?
Wswilly3
Why on earth would i be jealous of you old timer? You're club is a violent skidmark in the pants of football, you bought it end of football killer. You tainted the league along with the chavs with your filthy illegitimate oil gains. I couldn't have less respect for your bought title and there are millions like me all over the world.
nikolaijns
Will you even be alive come the new season?
nikolaijns
With every word you show your chip, your jealousy and your total lack of class. A very,very sorry young man.
Wswilly3
says the 65 year old trolling on a footballing website. That's feckin tragic steve. A very very very very very very very sorry old man.
nikolaijns
Wswilly3, envy and jealousy are emotions you as a City fan understand far far better than any gooner--absolutely NOTHING we can go thru can match what you poor sods went thru for decades. Frankly I don't understand why you're so interested in Arsenal. You never see United fans on this blog wasting their time constantly posting over here insulting us (or even complimenting us). Once in awhile one of them will come over here but almost never to insult us like you and your pathetic tribe. That's the mark of true champions-they don't bother with us. You on the other hand find us endlessly worthy of your time-you just can't wait to trash us and insult us. Your fans still have the mentality of a petty jealous smalltime club. Even winning the league can't smack it out of you.
jaelle
This whole shout fest is depressing. I've had some great times with City fans, enjoyed their company and their good sense. Now they've turned into not just chavs but the worst of United fans. Really sad to see what money does to perfectly good people.
jaelle
I think the city fans on here are mostly good sorts and we have had some banter over the years with the likes of filthy, dub and the lad with the boyband kiddie comb over haircut forgetisname. The issues a lot of football fans have with their club have nothing really to do with them, in their eyes they hit the jackpot and fair enough I mean jesus they've earned it. Abramovich scoped us and the scum before settling on the bus stop in fulham, when a mastermind criminal/bored sneikh comes along with that much immorally gained booty any club is susceptible, it is like the lottery because it literally could be you PSG come on doooownnn! I have nothing against any city fans even the gloating gramps. I just like winding the daft bellends up a treat really.
nikolaijns
A more reasonable stance than saying investment in football is killing it. Come on would you Gooners really say to your benefactor .... No more money you are killing football. No you would say get the best players to entertain and to win.
Wswilly3
theres investment in football and immorally spunking 900+ million effectively strangling competition. Don't get my last comment wrong, you are killing football.
nikolaijns
It is called market forces and please don't try and tell me that you wouldn't want the same if you could get it and are a mix between a zealot and a supporter because I just don't believe it.Debt not investment would kill football... Just look at the money we have given you ... But for whatever reason you don't want to circulate it.
Wswilly3
Wswilly3, the issue is the way you and your club's fans have responded to your success. Classless. Just exactly how do you think we're supposed to react when all you guys want to do is come on over here and scold, insult & trash our club? Just exactly how would you react?
jaelle
And btw-you should start paying Wenger & his staff since you can't be bothered to develop your own players anymore and are now relying entirely on us to develop them for you. Yeah I know all the talk about your academy--it will come to nothing just like Chelsea's initial hype about bldg. a wonderful new academy program when Abramovich came in. It takes time & patience to develop players into starts--and once you've tasted instant success, you no longer have that patience.
jaelle
market forces are redundant once you've artificially created your own market and strangled competition just like the russian lotto chavs before you. Yes debt kills football but so does turning it into the business equivalent of a monopoly, I know it's a bitter pill to swallow especially at what should be one of the happiest times of your life but when alls said and done, at the end of the day.........you're killing football.
nikolaijns
Not interested in trashing your club Jaelle - actually quite like Arsenal. Just interested in trashing the self righteous pontificators on Vital Arsenal. That's much more fun.
fifthcolumnblue
The crazy thing is here (along with Man City fans having just won the need feeling the need to justify themselves to Arsenal fans) is that I don't begrudge City their trophies, non of what has happend to their club is their fault ... should we expect them to stop being fans? No. But fans of other clubs have a legitimate complaint regarding the aquisition of the League title. Nobody is ever going to agree on anything because I (we) will never say that how Man City have won the league is anything other than financial doping, whilst City fans are going to stick up for their team as is their right. So why don't you just pop off and enjoy your title .... no matter how artificial it is :)
Rocky7
Thanks Rocky we will. It's harder arguing against rational people like Jaelle rather than those who seem to have a distorted view of the world of football. The first Premiership was won by Blackburn because they had been funded by Jack Walker.Then there was a period when Manure spent more than anyone. Then Chelsea came along etc etc. This is the way of the world and I doubt you guys would have a real problem if your billionaire actually put his hand in his pocket to ensure Arsenal was able to properly compete. Yes we wouldn't have won without huge investment but some of your guys are moaning that this is wrong when we all know it is the reality in every footballing country. If you lot would only face facts and turn your arguments into ensuring actions that would convince Cesc, Samir, RVP to stay it would be far more real world. Why doesn't your rich owners try and make Arsenal great?
Wswilly3
The difference between you and Manchester United is that they spent the fund that they earned by winning.

Would I like Arsenal to win trophies? Of course. Would I like it if we won them via a rich sugar daddy spunk obscene amounts of money on overrated players until he finally hit on the right combination? No. Would it make me stop supporting Arsena? I'm not sure, probably not. But hear this, I'm extremely proud of the way Arsenal Football Club tries to conduct itself. We're one of the few bastions of fair-play left in football. So when fans of clubs who have won the league via the unfair method starting taking the p*** saying "enjoy celebrating your third place" it grates a little. Because we should celebrate our third place. Because when you look at all the clubs around us having money spunked all over the shop yet we've just secured our 15th successive CL season it's something to be proud of. Make no mistake, if the FFP rules are implemented with any seriousness Arsenal will be one of the most powerful clubs around ... and that's because our manager has the foresight to understand the importance of being self sufficient. And that should be celebrated and not mocked.
Rocky7
If Arsenal had a national anthem I'd have put it on and saluted during that Rock, rousing stuff and generally all round awesome. We are Land of hope and glory to citys land of doping and wh0ring.
nikolaijns
Just think about it. According to some reports City are prepared to offer RVP £275k+ a week! How obscene is that? Even if you ignore the fact that its a ludicrous sum for a 29 year old injury-prone striker from one of your close rivals, what is it going to do except put upward pressure on wages generally? In no time at all we'll be talking about players earning half a million a week. Simply unsustainable. And if you don't happen to be owned by a multi-billionaire you will be simply making up the numbers. Billionaire leaves - you go bust. The game is going mad. Its a bubble that can only do one thing...and that is burst.
Wyn Mills
Well said there Rocky. Willy's antics have become boring for me as he is predictable in his attempt at getting acknowledgment from this site. Go get a life, granps.
Naijagunner
Sorry boys have to disagree. In any sport it is about winning ... Nobody remembers the runners up or the third and the record books don't lie. You have a billionaire who could bank roll you so you could compete rather than keep falling short but forget about higher morals he just doesn't want to support your chances of winning. Incidentallly on the last day of the season Man Utd put out a more expensive team than City and they for years have been buying major stars... It is only since the ghastly Glazers that they have been more constrained. I honestly believe City have the best owners in the works ... Trying to take a wide view, developing the poorest area of Manchester and even getting rid of the MD when he lied. Once you start to artificially constrain investment into football that is when you will kill it. Investment is not the problem but unsustainable debt is. At end of day suppose we will have to beg to differ.
Wswilly3
Yes, sure everyone will remember the winners down the years, just like we still remember Blackburn as Premiership winners even though they are now relegated. This is not a sustainable model, how much ever the Sheikh promises to invest in infrastructure and comply with FFP. It will be interesting to see how City will avoid making the mistakes of the Chavs.
prits
So Willy, I take it you believe Ben Johnson was hard done by when he was stripped of his 100M Gold medal back in the 80s? After all it's all about winning and apparently it doesn't matter to you how you achieve that. No doubt your owners have a plan in place to circumnavigate the FFP rules (such as paying himself over the odds in sponsorship dollars), but if you don't get it right then you're going down the sh****r in a big way, and not to go all Kevin Keegan on your ass, but I will love it.
Rocky7
If you Arsenal fans think a man with a £500bn fortune is a ***** businessman who will fall victim to an ufair rule cooked up by UEFA (that bastion of integrity) at the behest of the old guard (yourselves included) then I can't wait to hear your comments when we actually do comply.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9266363/Manchester-City-set-new-Premier-League-earnings-record-of-60.6m-after-title-winning-season.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/richard-scudamore-king-of-the-premier-league-praises-manchester-citys-excellence-7729051.html

http://www.marketingmagazine.co.uk/bulletin/dailynews/article/1131623/?DCMP=EMC-BreakingnewsfromMarketing
fifthcolumnblue
Rocky - this was on one of the other Arsenal blog sites and probably sums up my views in a far more succinct way than I have been able to articulate yo you. I cannot believe you guys would object to your billionaire investing big money into your team rather than your board making personal profits out of your club. Please just amswer that question? Playing the holier than though card honestly does not wash and smatters quite honestly of hypocrisy. However at least we are having a better level of discussion than was possible with some of your clan. What have we seen over the last few week? Man City win the league and Chelsea win the Champions league. It proves that football has changed and teams now need to pump money into the club and sign the worlds best players in order to win titles. But Arsenal have a man who wants to do this.. Uzbek billionaire and major Arsenal shareholder Alisher Usmanov wants to bring the best players to the club. Usmanov who is not an Arsenal director even though he owns almost 30% of Arsenal Holdings, believes self-interest among the board members is stymieing the club’s chances of on-field success. Usmanov also said that there would need to be a switch in emphasis if he is to end up on the board. Usmanov said “If the role of a board member is to oversee a trophyless period while making significant personal profits and asking fans to pay inflation-busting ticket price increases then, no, I would not want to be on the board. “If instead it is to try to deliver sustained success, to increase your personal investment in the club, to help develop the commercial position and to ensure the fans have a say in the running of the club then, yes, I think I certainly have something to contribute. “In terms of doing things differently, let me give you a very clear example. Arsenal has all of its major commercial contracts coming up for renewal in the next couple of years. It’s no secret that to maximise the value of those you want to have success on the field and be winning trophies. To do that you need to invest now in building a winning team. This is simple commercial logic. Whether it comes to pass, we shall see.” The sad fact is this. Arsenal will never win anything again without major investment. We need Alisher Usmanov to step forward and take control to bring back the glory days. Since Stan Kroenke took over the club what have we seen? Any investment? Any major signings?. In fact we have seen our best players SOLD and the money NOT pumped back into signing replacements. Another sad fact is that since 2005 and when Ashley Cole was apart of the FA CUP winning side, we have not won anything and Ashley has gone on to win EVERYTHING in football. Who can blame him, Clichy, Nasri, and so on for leaving in the hunt for glory. We need change at Arsenal and we need
Wswilly3
Alisher Usmanov is an absolute scumbag and I'd rather see us playing in the Championship than have trophies in our trophy room that are tainted by hus disgusting money. It's that simple. I value my football club as a family member. I would be prouder to see my brother earn a crust grafting in a warehouse than become mega rich through drug dealing. You have your philosophies on football and I have mine. I would love Arsenal Football Club win win some trophies, I'd love it, but I wouldn't be prepared to exchange that for the soul of my club. Despite what the pundits and red tops might tell you, winning at all costs is not something to be proud of.
Rocky7
Rocky : fine but I do fear you are going to be a sad but idealistic supporter and still do not know how you square that with your board makers making personal fortunes out of your club. if this guy is as bad as you say, which I can believe, how come he was let on the board? You sound in a worse situation thatn I had realised.
Wswilly3
Our board hasn't taken any money of the club for over ten years. Nobody is making any money from our club. All the money we've made over recent years has gone in to paying for our stadium and becoming self-sufficient. If we can keep going and stay in the CL until our mortgage is paid off, we are going to be one rich football club. All under our own steam. How can I be sad at that? "The hardest won victories are the sweetest"
Rocky7
I'll take our owners and business plan over yours any day Rocky. Oh, and our fans. ;P

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/manchester-city--blue-moon-finally-rises-458232.html?page=0
fifthcolumnblue
Until you get that wage bill down no business plan will be good enough to cover it. You might well win all the trophies for the next few years, but that will slow down dramatically as you have to take a more realsitic view of world football. I don't blame you for enjoying your "success", but it's very hollow if you ask me.
Rocky7
Good stuff Rocky I suppose ultimately time will tell who is right. All I can say the last week has given me unbridled joy.... And they say it's only a game!!
Wswilly3
What is this rather odd fasination with arsenal. Is it because we are a club modelled on sensible morals, and your subconscious needs a pat on the back. Ok then "well done city you were great, I wish my team was just like yours". I remember fondly celebrating our title wins. I certainly don't remember trawling the streets looking for rival fans to belittle or seek praise, but then as an arsenal fan I had a clear conscience.
gunnerman76
No I like getting responses from fans who are condescending and self assured on the surface but in reality have huge chips on their shoulders, are totally envious and have no real idea of when they are ever going to win a trophy again .... maybe the Carling Cup. I do exempt Rocky7 and Jaelle who are genuine fans with considered views. By the way the whole idea of Vital is that you can go on the Home page of oppossing clubs but not their forums and right across Vital, there are fan interacting. Sorry if this offend I'm sure.
Wswilly3
willy, the difference between most of you and many of us is that we've already experienced what its like to win the league. Yes, we'd like to be where you are , but its not something that consumes us. This furore about not winning anything is a storm that's been exaggerated by the media. We absolutely want success but I think most gooners would qualify that by saying not at any price. I'm honestly happy for the many city fans who have waited a lifetime for this to happen. However I'm also happy our club have not (to date) had to go down that particular route to win honours.
Wyn Mills
Fair enough response Wyn and i understand your sentiments but I am somewhat surprised by the idealistic nature of many of the Arsenal fans. Money has talked for years and years in fact the Wall Street Journal estimated that it contributed to 84% of the success criteria of any football team. The only thing that has continued to grow is the global nature of the game and supporters in Asia, Africa etc are attracted mainly by success. Not to compete in this global market is a very bold strategy. Arsenal used to be one of those that did compete but in poker parlance has not continued now the stakes have got higher and the result of this is going to be self inflicted relative mediocrity(no slight meant). Our Sheikh is not going to go away, nor are the guys at PSG, Malaga and that unpronouceable place in Chechnya or the other teams that attact billionaires. To stay sitting at the top table requires investment at the same levels and I dont say that in a gloating way but in a way that is pure economics. Arsenal actually have the wherewithal to compete but as you say aybe not the desire which is very brave in the global world of football.
Wswilly3
Willy its not the money by itself thats repulsive, its the nature of the money that is. If the money spent on buying players has been spent from a club's profits - fair play to them! If its the personal fortune of a dodgy owner which helps an otherwise small club to buy big players and pay them stratospheric salaries one cant support it. United's spending or the spending of Spurs is fine because they generated the money they spent. City's and Chelsea's money spent was not the clubs money to begin with and thats quite disgusting. Your views will never be bought here as you wouldn't buy the views here, so adios and good luck willy waving.
Deltaforce
Arsenal can't match the levels of investment from PSG, Malaga, City and Chelsea for much the same reasons I can't match Bill Gates' investment in helicopters. It's a pretty simple point. Arsenal do compete, but do so within their means. I mean, if we were to overinvest and go bust, then it wouldn't do our chances of being competitive an awful lot of good. It's very amusing to see you preach about "genuine fans with considered views" when you scroll up to your very first comment on this thread.
Little Dutch
Sorry guys but you have just convinced me that you are not going to compete at the top level and all we will be up against next season is Manure and Chelski. You might be able to celebrate fourth and be proud of it and feel smug and self righteous whilst us disgusting clubs take the trophies. Still Arsenal Ladies might be worth watching for a trophy.
Wswilly3
So what do you propose we do instead willy? You're not a banker are you? Because you appear to be proposing the sort of fiscal responsibility they resided over in the early part of the 20th century. Worked out well. You can't spend what you don't have. It's pretty simple. Whether Arsenal can use their resources better is a very pertinent question, but you can't ask us to match City and Chelsea's investment for the same reason you can't match Donald Trump's property investments.
Little Dutch
We are very dissapointed that you feel the way you do willy. Your thoughts and approval were key to any future success that AFC would have had.
Deltaforce
I think willy is suggesting we convince our shady russian shareholder to pump millions into the club so we can join a ludicrously unsustainable high stakes billionaires poker game (the stake being the future of the club) and not ask too many questions about it. If only life were that simple. willy mate, can't agree. But good luck to you and the rest of the city fans.
Wyn Mills
Wyn, you have it right and the risk to Arsenal of your dodgy Russian billionare pumping in a bit of his illgotten gains is absolutely zilch. The only risk to a football club is increasing debt, not increasing assets. I can see I will have to give you Gooners fans some home study papers in Economics. Champion Willy (MBA Manchester Business School) Finally thanks for your good wishes which are reciprocated.
Wswilly3
But then it is just debt isn't it? We have to pay it back and probably with interest.
Little Dutch
Not if he bequests it to the club like the Good Sheikh ... our balabe sheet shows a loss but no debts.
Wswilly3
Not sure you recognise the uniqueness of your situation. Yes, free money would be lovely. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could all live our lives demanding free money? Some people get that too. But the reality for most people is that they don't and same for most companies. For a start there aren't enough billionaires in the world to sustain that sort of generosity and if there were they wouldn't be billionaires much longer. Laundering and ego masturbation are "good" qualities in a football club owning billionaire but they're not that common. Even if they were, human beings only live a certain length of time. Whichever you way you slice it, even if there was a benevolent billionaire tree, the fruit it produced would need to be immortal. In short, it's not that easy, it's not that common and even in the rare instances it exists it's not sustainable.
Little Dutch
As long as we all keeping buying the petrol City will be ok... Nice thought next time you have the nozzle in your hands.
Wswilly3
Well firstly I don't drive. Secondly, ADUG, who own your club, are in property investment, not oil. Their money comes from property and is in no way linked to oil. But maybe I'll think about it next time I buy a hotel in Abu Dhabi.
Little Dutch
have you let it go yet ?
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1. Amos. 106
2. paul_ownz 49
3. Naijagunner 48
4. Galway Gooner 45
5. Wyn Mills 40
6. shewore 29
7. Joe_@** 21
8. Little Dutch 15
9. NYArse 13
10. damiano_tommassi 13

League Results (view all)

Latest Results
Arsenal 1 - 2 Man Utd
Swansea 2 - 1 Arsenal
Arsenal 3 - 0 Burnley
Sunderland 0 - 2 Arsenal
Arsenal 2 - 2 Hull City
Chelsea 2 - 0 Arsenal

League Table (view table)

Team P W D L GD Pts
5. Newcastle 12 5 4 3 -1 19
6. West Ham 12 5 3 4 4 18
7. Swansea 12 5 3 4 3 18
8. Arsenal 12 4 5 3 5 17
9. Everton 12 4 5 3 3 17
10. Spurs 12 5 2 5 -1 17
11. Stoke 12 4 3 5 -2 15

Breaking League News

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Current Site Poll (view all polls)

With a stuttering start to the season what league position can we still reasonably aim for?
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Fifth or lower 32%
Still too early to bother with predictions 5%