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The Big Fat Euro 2012 Thread

Day 1: A mixed day for our boys in Eastern Europe. In the tournament's curtain raiser Arsenal keeper Wojciech Szczesny was culpable for Greece's equaliser for Poland. The Pole in the goal was later sent off for a professional foul as his defence went AWOL with the scores at 1-1. Thankfully for him, reserve keeper Przemyslaw Tyton saved Karagounis' penalty and it finished 1-1 between Poland and Greece.

Mixed fortunes for our two boys in the evening kickoff as Tomas Rosicky captained Czech Republic as they lined up against a Russia side captained by Andrei Arshavin. Given more time and space to play in Russia's counter attacking style, Arshavin flourished, setting up Russia's second on the way to a convincing 4-1 victory. The diminutive playmaker would have had a couple more assists too had striker Aleksandr Kherzakov not been infected by the ghost of Kaba Diawara.

Tomorrow, Robin van Persie, Per Mertesacker and Nicklas Bendtner will likely represent their nations.

Day 2: More mixed fortunes for our boys, in the battle between the two best strikers on earth, Nicklas Bendtner's Denmark overcame Robin van Persie's Holland 1-0 in the early kickoff. van Persie missed a presentable chance in the first half, before slipping in front of goal in the second. Thereafter, Arjen Robben decided to hold his own "see how ridiculous an angle I can shoot from" competition. I wonder if the balding Bayern winger ever stops and wonders why there are 9 other guys dressed exactly the same as him.

In the evening kickoff, Lukas Podloski played the full 90 minutes as Germany defeated Portugal 1-0. Per Mertesacker wasn't quite fit enough to start the game, but our impossibly blue eyed new signing had a productive game on the left as Ze Germans won 1-0 thanks to a header from Mario Gomez.

Day 3: No direct Arsenal involvement, but ex Arsenal skipper Cesc Fabregas scored Spain's equaliser in a 1-1 draw with Italy in the 5pm kickoff. Di Natale had earlier put the Italians ahead. Cesc played in an unfamiliar centre forward role, preferred to Llorente and Torres.

In the later match, ex Gunner Eduardo got a 2 minute run out as a sub as Croatia comfortably disposed of Republic of Ireland 3-1 in Poznan.

Day 4: Plenty of Arsenal interest in the first game of the day as Alex Oxlade Chamberlain was a surprise starter in England's 1-1 draw with France. The Ox showed some promising touches and lasted 76 minutes as England ground out a creditable point with a manager that is seemingly accepting the limitations of his options and setting up a team and a system as opposed to a cardre of egos. Theo Walcott came on in the 88th minute. Laurent Koscielny was an unused substitute for France. Ex Arsenal player Samir Nasri cancelled out Joleon Lescott's opener.

No Gunners on show in the late game in the same group between Sweden and Ukraine. Arsenal academy graduate Sebastien Larsson played the full 90 minutes as the hosts came from behind with two fairytale goals from Andriy Shevchenko to defeat the Swedes, who had taken the lead through teapot a like Zlatan Ibrahomovic. Rumours that Roman Abramovic is preparing a £50m bid for Shevchenko to replace Torres are as yet unfounded....

Day 5: In today's early kickoff, Tomas Rosicky's Czech Republic scored twice in the first 5 minutes, but were forced to hold on for a 2-1 win. Potentially bad news for Arsenal though as Tomas Rosicky, who has been suffering with a calf strain, had to be replaced at the interval. The ever reliable Young Guns Blog says he has gone for a scan on his achilles. It sounds like his tournament could be over.

In the later game, Andrey Arshavin set up Russia's opening goal with an inswinging free kick, converted by Dzagoev, fast looking like one of the hottest properties of the tournament. But Polish skipper Jakub Blaszczykowski equalised for the Poles. The winner takes all in the final game of the group between Czech Republic and Poland.

Day 6: Plenty of Arse action to get our teeth into on Day 6. Portugal raced into a two goal lead against Denmark until the world's greatest striker Nicklas Bendtner scored two peachy headers to draw level. Silvestre Valera hit a late winner after possibly the best dummy you'll ever see.

In the later game, it was Podolski versus van Persie as Germany took on Holland. Lukas showed a disciplined, if unspectacular performance on the left. Mario Gomez, who couldn't hit water in the sea against Chelsea, has evidently decided to rediscover his touch with two brilliantly taken goals in the first half. Having missed with a couple of efforts in the first half (which were nowhere near as easy as BBC's awful commentary team tried to make out), Robin van Persie hit an impressive goal with 18 minutes left, but couldn't stop his country slinking to defeat which leaves them on the brink of a shock early exit.

We now have 3 Arsenal goals at these championships, the same amount registered by Gunners players in the whole of Euro 2008.

Day 7: Some stranger news to begin involving Arsenal players, before the games have begun so to speak. It would appear Nicklas Bendtner could be in hot water with UEFA. Following his equaliser against Portugal yesterday, the Danish striker lifted his shirt to reveal the logo of bookmakers Paddy Power on the waistband of his kecks.

Of course, the world is quite familiar with the sight of Super Nick's undercrackers, but this time the double vodka and red bull he ordered hasn't been spiked with two shots of vodka. It was a publicity stunt UEFA are likely to take a dim view to given their rules around unauthorised advertising. Good to see UEFA getting to grips with the real issues in the game. I'd imagine had Nick's knickers said "White Power" it probably would have been swept under the carpet......

In the 5pm kickoff GMT, Croatia came from a goal behind to draw 1-1 with Italy. Ex Arsenal striker Eduardo came on as a sub for the final 8 minutes. And ex Gunners skipper Cesc Fabregas came on for the last fourteen minutes of Spain's shellacking of Ireland, helping himself to the final goal in a 4-0 rout. Torres had helped himself to two and David Silva to one previously.

Day 8: An odd beginning to Friday's fixtures as France v Ukraine was delayed by an hour due to a biblical storm. It eventually got restarted and saw France comfortably beat the hosts 2-0 with goals from Cabaye and Menez.

A very entertaining affair came later on as England took on Sweden. Andy Carroll headed England in front before two goals from the divine beard of Olof Mellberg put Sweden ahead. Hodgson threw Theo Walcott on who made all the difference. Firstly equalising and scoring his first England goal for nearly four years with a dipping shot. He then produced a scintillating run and cross for Danny Welbeck to score the winner. Alex Oxlade Chamberlain was also a late substitute.

Day 9: Group A came to a very unpredictable end. Tomas Rosicky was injured as his teammates laboured to a 1-0 win over co hosts Poland to top Group A. Wojciech Szczesny was available again after suspension but left out by the Polish coach.

In the other game, Greece amazingly upset the odds by beating Russia 1-0 to qualify for the Quarter Finals, so Andrey Arshavin is coming home early too.

Day 10: Robin van Persie and Holland are going home early as Holland fell to a 2-1 defeat to Portugal, meaning the Dutch go home without a single point. I imagine Mr. van Persie will be hitting a beach for a week or two before discussions over his future begin, but the club's marketing men will be licking their lips because he will potentially be available to play in the Asia tour.

Elsewhere, the more impressive Germans joined Portugal in the Quarter Finals. Lukas Podolski celebrated becoming the youngest ever European to reach 100 international caps by opening the scoring against Denmark. Nicklas Bendtner assisted for the Danes equaliser before Lars Bender's winner. Nicklas Bendtner joins Arshavin and van Persie in the departure lounge. Greece will play Germany and Portugal Czech Republic.

In the women's internationals, Arsenal were also well represented. Kim Little bagged a hat trick for Scotland as they beat Israel 8-0 and Rachel Yankey scored the winner for England as they beat Netherlands 1-0 in Salford. Yankey will equal the record for England caps if she plays again against Slovenia on Thursday night. Steph Houghton and Alex Scott also played the full 90 minutes for England and Ellen White came on as a half time substitute.

Day 11: Italy beat Ireland 2-0 as Group C came to a close, whilst Jesus Navas' late winner saw Spain overcome Croatia. Spain qualify as group winners, with Italy runners up. Cesc Fabregas and Eduardo were both late subs in the Spain v Croatia game.

Day 12: England unexpectedly top their group and go through to play Italy in the Quarter Final on Sunday night. Wayne Rooney's header was enough to give England the victory. Theo Walcott and Alex Oxlade Chamberlain were late substitutes.

France lost 2-0 to Sweden to consign themselves to 2nd place and a Saturday night tie with Spain. Zlatan Ibrahimovic and ex Gunner Seb Larsson with the goals. Arsenal target Yann M'Villa was replaced by fellow Arsenal target Olivier Giroud in that game. Philippe Mexes was booked, thereby earning a suspension that will surely see Laurent Koscielny deputise on Saturday.

Day 13: A horribly dull and conservative Czech Republic succumbed to a deserved 1-0 defeat to Portugal, as Cristiano "Me, Me, Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" Ronaldo finally stropped the ball into the net in the finla quarter of the game. Czech captain Tomas Rosicky stayed sidelined with an achilles problem. He now comes home to rest his weary limbs on a beach somewhere.

Day 14: Germany were able to leave their front three out- including new boy Lukas Podolski- and still steamrolled Greece 4-2. Philip Lahm showed shear class not to shank a first half shot into the net (sorry). Greece amazingly equalised, despite ending the night with just 19% of the possession, when Giorgios Samaras helped himself to a scrappy equaliser. But A Khedira volley, a Klose header and a fulminating effort from Reus had the Germans back in control. Until the referee gave Greece a ruffle of the hair and lollipop with the softest penalty award ever, borne entirely of pity, to ensure Greece put an undeserved sheen on the scoreline.

Day 15: Spain defeated France 2-0 with two goals from Xabi Alonso. Laurnet Koscielny played the full 90 minutes, however, he and likely signing Olivier Giroud are also on their way home.

Day 16: England succumbed to a predictable 4-2 penalty loss to Italy after 120 scoreless minutes. Theo Walcott came on as a 60th minute substitute, Alex Oxlade Chamberlain was an unused sub. Both are on their way home, leaving Lukas Podolski and Per Mertesacker as the only remianing Gunners in the semi finals.

The semi finals line up with Spain facing Portugal on Wednesday and Germany meeting Italy on Thursday.

Day 17: Spain and Portugal played out an incredibly dull 0-0 draw over 120 minutes in the first semi final. Cesc Fabregas came on as a 54th minute substitute and duly converted the winning penalty in the shootout as Spain were 4-2 victors from 12 yards. Spain go into Sunday's final, becoming only the second national side ever to reach three consecutive major finals. They will bid to be the first side to win three major finals on the bounce against the winners of Germany v Italy tomorrow.

Day 18: Italy demonstrated a tactical masterclass to deservedly defeat Germany 2-1. Balotelli bagged two first half goals to put the Azurri in command, Arsenal's Lukas Podolski was brought off at half time. Mesut Ozil scored an injury time consolation from the spot. Italy play Spain in Sunday's final. Podolski and Mertesacker go home with no remaining Arsenal interest for the final.

Day 19: The Final saw Spain outclass Italy with a record 4-0 final win. Cesc Fabregas teed up David Silva for the first, before a sublime Xavi pass set up Jordi Alba just before half time. An already uneven contest was rather killed when Thiago Motta injured himself minutes after coming on, leaving Italy down to ten for the final half an hour. Fernando Torres and Juan Mata added late goals as Spain ran out winners, retaining the title they won in 2008. Congratulations Spain.

Now, 13 days till Arsenal's first friendly..................




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Writer: Tim Stillman Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Friday June 8 2012

Time: 9:42PM

Your Comments

NB, this thread will stay on the front page for the tournament. Not necessarily at the top of the page, but front page nonetheless :)
Little Dutch
We can sticky it at number 2 in the list so it stays near the top but all the new stuff goes in at number one. Your thread is a far better idea than what I was going to do, glad you got in first. Lol. Great stuff from Arshavin tonight, not so much from Chesney.
Rocky7
Arshavin is technically one of our boys as is Denilson but it's really in contract only, his heart is thousands of miles from N. London. Nothing seemed to go for Rosicky tonight, Baros is no RVP and failed to get on any of Tomas' early passes. wojjy 'i'll be drinking champagne in kiev when we win this' chesney lol when will he ever learn to button it? p155 poor keeping son.
nikolaijns
Just had a convo with someone and said much the same with Rosicky. Saw him play this wonderful lofted pass in the second half and I momentarily got excited cos I'm used to seeing RvP take that ***** down and cause some havoc. Then I saw Baros chuntering after the pass like a 40 a day fag chugger suffering a hefty form of bronchitis and I felt for TR7. Speaking of Denilson, Russia had a midfielder called "Denisov." I reckon Denilson's pulling a fast one there to try and get himself in the shop window.
Little Dutch
Heh, I am glad that Arshavin seems to be finding his joy boots again despite the very scant likelihood of seeing him turn out for us again, if nothing else at least his value will rise with a good showing here and we can recoup and then reinivest it then...oh it's no good I don't believe for one minute we'll use anything from his sale on something as trivial as the squad and strengthening it! Pubplayerchenko looked rejuvenated as well, neither are gonna look back on their time in London with much fondness, good to see cech finally getting the net blitz that the fecker shoulda got in his last 3 games though.
nikolaijns
To be fair to him, Tomas was doubt for this game and it showed in the overall level of his display.
Naijagunner
Good game for Arshavin, a reminder of his talent and skill. Given some time and space, Arsha can be absolutely deadly. He looked fitter and stronger as well. Hope Azhi take note and give a counter offer to one Zenit will give us later this summer. Given that he has only 6 months left on his contract though - the most we can hope to recoup for the little Russian is 2-3 million pounds. Speaking of having 6 months left on his contract, Alan Dzagoev of CSKA Moscow showed exceptional movement and the ability to ghost past his marker on the right hand side of Russia's attack. I have been following him since 2009 when he blitzed Man United in a CL game - scoring past Van Der Saar from an acute angle with his left foot. Dzagoev is versatile and can play in the hole behind the striker as well as the flanks. Value deal in the summer market though this performance would have alerted all the sugar daddy clubs. Expect the Chavs to snap him now!
Deltaforce
Arshavin benefitted from playing in his preferred role, for his country and proved invaluable in most of the Russians' offensive play.
Naijagunner
Dzagoev? Wasn't he the one who appeared to have forgotten his shooting boots back home in Moscka? Not sure of the name now, but they had one fellow who had 8 attempts at goal and failed to take any. Good player, gets into good positions but needed to be calmer in front of Cech.
Naijagunner
ng, agreed. am i the only one here to opine that we had mismanaged arshavin just like we kept starting rosicky as winger prior to last season?
Joe_@**
Arshavin played on the left wing last night. The reason he played so well is because Russia play on the counter. With the added bonus of going 2-0 up early on, he had plenty of time and space to play. With Arsenal, we need greater speed because we play against 9 or 10 man defences and Arshavin just wouldn't get that sort of time and space.
Little Dutch
Exactly, he was deployed in the same position as he usually was for us. In the opening 15 minutes when the czechs were dominant and the russians were pretty lacklustre Arshavin was nowhere to be seen defensively helping out. He's yer archetypal luxury player for when your team is riding on a lovely fluffy comfy 2 goal cushion.
nikolaijns
I'd say he had a pretty much free role with the team last night. Consider his positions when he gave the assists; smirk in the middle of play. I agree he did have a few runs from the left side of play but he seemed to be Free to drift inside and out. The early 2goal cushion helped, of course.
Naijagunner
On Chezzer's performance, I saw a blog where he was being denigrated for his role in the goals with a few posters suggesting he is over rated as a keeper. And yes! These were Arsenal fans!! I would say he does have a howler once in a while, but it is usually a long "while" and every keeper is entitled to the occasional error. The lad has some areas for improvement but is certainly not over-rated, in my opinion.
Naijagunner
That poor lamb Andreiy must only just be getting over Wengers' rigid inflexible stay in your position style of play then lol. Please let's get over the whole playing him out of position it was wengers' fault argument, he could have had the same free roaming coming in from the left once we're in posession role if he'd shown willing but the reality was he was fat, unmotivated, disinterested and just more concerned with cracking jokes on his site.
nikolaijns
If only Arshavin could have shown a quarter of the passion that he does in his performances for Russia in the matches he played for us, he could still have been a vital cog in our first XI. But on a positive note if he has a good tournament we could justify squeezing a bit more cash out of Zenit or whichever clubs he joins (a ridiculously large offer from Panzhi Mochachocolata or whatever ever they are called would be nice) As for Chesney, bit of a shocker but ***** happens. Is he banned for just one or two games? Would be a shame if its two and the Poles dont make the quarters (Can see them tonking the Czechs but not getting a result against the Russians) Poor Tomas, he just no longer has a decent Czech side to support him. The core of that awesome 2004 team has had inferior replacements since Nedved, Koller et al retired. I can see them having a miserable wooden spoon exit unfortunately, think even the Greeks may beat them.
Ned Stark
Robin is having no joy today in front of goal. The Dutch still look good for the win, though. I think they need to get an equalizer soon or it will be a shock result.
Naijagunner
Hehehehe! Looks like our on-loan players are making a case for a re-think. So far, its Loanees 2 : 0 1st teamers.
Naijagunner
Unless Germany Portugal ends in a draw, I don't see the Dutch qualifying for the quarters. Well played Denmark, good result for them. Holland's wastefulness in front of goal cost them dearly.
Ned Stark
Cmon naija what case did bendtner make today? if we get any money offered for that bloke please for the love of feck bite the hand off. Useless. If he should stay he'll run if he should run he'll stay, godawful positioning and slower than mertesackers gran.
nikolaijns
I still haven't forgiven him for stopping Cesc's goalbound effort on the line against Liverpool in the C/L quarters in 2008. Aside from that, he just needs to be sold and moved on. He has no place in this Arsenal team and is a mediocre player at best. Our boy Poldi has had an OK game so far. Just waiting for a goal to bring the match to life as it has been very cagey so far.
Ned Stark
With niko here, look at the hotspots on the fourfourtwo site, Arshavin was on the left most of the time. He had the time to roam in to the left. He played his whole Arsenal career on the left and he was fine with it the first year or so. His tubby belly was more prohibitive than our system. We've got a holding midfielder that just notched up 11 assists in the league, we're hardly the most shackling team for our players.
Little Dutch
it could be because we are playing attacking fullbacks and our defensive midfielders are not the 'very defensive' type. this thus requires our wingers to track back instead of our central midfielders covering the either sides with our fullbacks when we were attacked from the flanks. we do not see players like c. ronaldo, ribery, robben etc. being burden with so much of defensive duty as wingers for their respective team compared to ours
Joe_@**
Podolski looked solid enough last night. Nothing spectacular, but hard working and sound of touch. Looking forward to seeing more of him.
Rocky7
"If only Arshavin could have shown a quarter of the passion that he does in his performances for Russia" - to me, his body language was pretty much the same, ambling along for parts of the game, looking interested only when he had the ball (he didnt even celebrate any of the goals with his team mates). Sometimes player play well in a different environment, and I dont know why Arshavin fell away like he did after a good 1st 2 seasons with Arsenal.
prits
I don't mean to rag on Andreiy cos I do generally like the bloke but Wenger didn't beat him, the fans didn't beat him & other teams didn't beat him, he beat himself. Whether it was a continuous grudge on the tax he hadn't realised he'd have to pay (erm yeah take that up with your agent) or the state of our crap food (erm yeah wasting away there son lolz) or just the proliferation of women drivers over here, whatever it was he beat himself. Arsenal is one of the most accommodating of all clubs when it comes to welcoming players from abroad in, helping them settle, helping them find a home and just generally acclimatising and indeed his instant honeymoon with us underlies the fact that his later poor form was nowt to do with an inability to settle in, whatever it was he was given all the opps going and it just didn't work out. I'm confident he won't be back so cheers for the Barca winner plus the four up at the scouse - All the best lil fella.
nikolaijns
Looks like Cesc is now a striker. Better one than Torres too by the looks of things :-) Although I have no clue why Del Bosque did not give Llorente a chance.
Ned Stark
& balotelli, what a pointless waste of space that bloke is. Every time play broke down for Italy when that cock miscontrolled or mispassed. He really thinks he's got mad skills but he really aint, he's just a black andy carroll. Glad spain dropped points through their shocking arrogance though. We're spain we're so good we won't bother with a striker, w@nkaz!
nikolaijns
niko, arshavin was not unsettled here. in fact he likes london & wanted to qualify for an uk passport. probably he has been playing in a free role (i.e. messi role) for almost his entire career except with us. it's difficult to imagine messi running the flank & covering for the fullback
Joe_@**
Yeah I said he wasn't unsettled joe.
nikolaijns
Lol, @ Niko. I was only kidding about "rethink" for Bendtner. Honest ;-)
Naijagunner
...or Arshavin, for that matter. Much as I do like him, the fans seem to have had enough of the little Russian, even as we all agree he remains a class player.
Naijagunner
niko, my apology. i read too fast the first time & misinterpreted your comment :-) agreed ng. the general feeling with arshavin among fans is a bit intricate. we knew how good he is but just couldnt bring the best out of him
Joe_@**
@ naija i hope so fella ;) Much better games today already tho eh chaps? Ireland croatia first twentys been great, obviously less accomplished than the earlier game but played with real gusto.
nikolaijns
Mhmmm. Croatia does look a class up for the Republic. If only they can get a goal with 10minutes still to play....that will make it a really big finish.
Naijagunner
PHW just had to open his mouth to comment on the RvP situation, didn't he? Does that not negate the said understanding reached between club and player to maintain a media black-out on van Persie's contract situation?
Naijagunner
I know he didn't say much but he has, effectively confirmed what everyone seems to know already: that there is still a stalemate and our captain has made demands and is holding out for something. He always manages to say the wrong things which turn out to be the "kiss of death" .
Naijagunner
Torres is like your pet goldfish when you were 7. He's not coming back and it's probably time to accept it and move on.
Little Dutch
When you've spent 50 million quid on that goldfish it's somewhat delaying the ability to grieve :)
nikolaijns
Meh.. International footie is soo boring.. Come on OX!
Sajit
Ashley Young has failed to be up for this game; England holding out well....surprising many, if you ask me.
Naijagunner
Almost time for roy to let wally have a go at evra.
nikolaijns
Brought on too late...
Naijagunner
With apologies to all the English gooners, blinking hell but England are awful to watch. Are they trying to do a Chelski? As for Woj and Robin - VERY bad day at the office for each of them. Andrey rolling back the years and Theo brought on in the 88th minute!
julieloveshenry4ever
It was one game against a team boasting infinitely more danger and technique than England ever could Julie. I would prefer that flat back 8 draw than a noble gallant loss. If England are that negative against Sweden and Ukraine then your point is valid. I know we're not used to seeing it at Arsenal where we play the same regardless whether it's to our detriment or not but I think fair play to Hodgson really, had England got Wenger or even Redknapp in three weeks ago they'd have lost that game yesterday, it's not fun to watch granted and I could've gratefully stubbed cigarettes in my eyes watching the chavs grind their painful way to europe using that method but this morning I'm glad that arrogant little dwarf Evra is unhappy.
nikolaijns
Or to put it another way not a single one of us would have been critical had Arsenal put in that performance @ Milan or Barca away. No we'd have purred over Wenger finally realising tactically that the result was everything and what a mature intelligent performance it was from players staying compact and not gallivanting recklessly out of position. Hell we may even have been able to have something shiny to show for if we'd have had the gumption to stick in a performance like that when it's required.
nikolaijns
Well said Niko, any England fans moaning about yesterday are completely devoid of any reality in their lives
shewore
agreed niko. that was the plan b missing from wenger's manual
Joe_@**
I also think that the choice to play Belgium in the final friendly ahead of France was an inspired decision as they contain a similiar quota of talented technical flair players which set England in good stead for that opening game. Johnson looked a totally different player to the defensively dodgy player of 12 months ago, Parker was resisting his maniac slides and Welbeck did very well too I thought. Englands' team was also a lot less experienced at this than France so to go in any other way especially in a heat they aren't used to would've been suicidal. I mean you only have to look at Ireland to see that.
nikolaijns
Ooh we're closing in, now we're closing in closer, closer still. At this rate if you listen to Johnny media we're so close we could give Giroud a reach around as he signs.
nikolaijns
wow, how *****e are this Greek defence? Can't believe these muppets were Euro Kings 8 years ago. Looks like Tomas and his boys have re-ignited their charge. Good for them.
Ned Stark
Well said Niko. WIth Rooney coming back upfront alongside Welbeck we look a very hard team to beat!
HuddersfieldYiddo
As for PHW and his comments, well done old boy. What happened to maintaining silence until the end of the Euro's?
Ned Stark
Vey much a case of 'do as I say not as I do' Ned I posted the following on another site regarding RVP and four points which have led me to the unfortunate conclusion (I still can't be arsed to figure out how to paragraph up on here so apologies for the lack of breaks)...................To be honest you can come to a logical conclusion without the complication of hordes of squawking shoitehawks saying they know this they know that, just look at how this summer has unfolded to know the omens arenít good........... 1. Arsenal issue a command of media silence from RVP and themselves, despite a good positive meeting. Why? what good can this possibly achieve? Only one and that is for us to conduct the business of finding his replacement under the radar and without being held to ransom by the selling club. I think he knows where heís heading already and the deal is possibly already in place and was before the meeting.......................... 2. Hill-Wood begins the inevitable back down by preparing supporters for what is to come with his statement of us not being able to compete with top wages and that it will be impossible to hold onto Robin if offers like that are made. Again why? why would you even say something like that? Why not just shut up and hope that such offers arenít forthcoming? Unless of course you know full well that a deal has already been struck and you have no intention of turning down a large fee for a player approaching 30 with a lengthy injury record coming up to his last year in contract. Again just read between the lines of Hill Woods comments and they just scream to me that even if a deal isnít in place Hill-Wood is positively encouraging suitors with that stance........................ 3. Gazidisí body language in the Q&A when this subject was broached. I just knew it then, the way he looked away from his questioner, it was a definite squirm and the eyes had it, he may be a consumate politician but I can tell when those fecks are lying too (their lips move boom!)................ 4. Podolskisí early capture and the likelihood of capturing Girou. Do we really think we are signing those two to complement RVP? Do we not know this board better by now? In a squad which is crying out for a playmaker, we are prioritising strikers. Again why? Because we donít want to get left in the lurch again like last year getting caught with pants around ankles as the cule and sex op were whipped away from us. This is obviously only my opinion but the obviousness of it all screams to me that RVP leaving is the only outcome of this.
nikolaijns
Agree fully with Niko's comments on England's performance. I am a neutral on this one but couldn't help but admire the way the team organized itself to stifle the usual french flair. Johnson did a good enough job on Riberry while the packed middle ensured that even the trickery of the French forwards was countered. Roy should be happy, especially as we know England have a little more in the tank. Things will change when Rooney can play and that should be the outlook.
Naijagunner
Well done to the Cech Republic. Will be happy to see more of Tomas Rosicky and the rest of our lads, long into the tournament.
Naijagunner
pmsl @ Martinez' shirt - did he fly out there under his own steam?
nikolaijns
PHW; made up my mind for me too.
Naijagunner
some rucking between poles and russians kickin off.
nikolaijns
But obviously him not signing is also a tricky sell PR wise.
Little Dutch
I agree with your points on RvP Niko, only I'd use them slightly differently. I'm still convinced he'll stay but won't sign. Unless a silly offer comes in, we don't have much to lose by allowing his contract to run down. A lot of the noises from the club suggest we'll be prepared to do it. Podolski and possibly Giroud if the smoke leads to fire, are long term replacements in my view. Give them a year to bed in when van Persie does leave next summer.
Little Dutch
Yeah RVP is going I think as well now, I wasn't so sure until I heard about the Giroud transfer. Tbf to the Arsenal board they are doing their best it seems to strengthen the squad early this season. If they are lying about RVP situation then they are only doing it to protect our interests. I will be sad to see him go but if we get Giroud in alongside as well as a defensive midfielder then I think we can be stronger next season. Especially if Wilshere returns and keeps on progressing. Giroud seems like the strong physical striker we've needed for a while. Someone who can win the ball in the air and outmuscle defenders.
bowiecokemirror
I agree bowie, I'm not griping about the board per se merely trying to make a judgement based on events and base animal instinct grrrr. I think if the stadium was paid off then we'll see more of us ensuring players' contracts are seen out, but the debt remains and I can't blame the board for wanting to deal on Robin based on the aforementioned trilogy of age, injury record and time remaining on contract, if 25+ million comes in I think much like Nasri the temptation will be too much - if it hasn't already.
nikolaijns
I've a feeling Robin may be willing to wait too. It seems like Juve are the only club serious about buying him. Real and Barca don't need him currently and, perhaps naively, i just don't see him joining City. He might be prepared to wait another year to see if a better offer comes up.
Little Dutch
Either way another stinker against Germany tomorrow wouldn't go amiss ;)
nikolaijns
I don't think Giroud's arrival signals RvP's departure. It more closely signals Chamakh's end at Arsenal. Giroud will be an able replacement for RvP off the bench when required. Also, if RvP leaves next season after seeing out his contract, then he would have one season under his belt and should be ready for regular action in the Premier League. All this is hypothetical of course. RvP leaving and Giroud arriving are not at all sure-shot.
Eboue=GOD
Unlike was the case with Adebayor or Anelka, the club management have made quite a few attempts to make RVP stay. Negotiations with RVP began last summer but the talks were postponed to mid season. Mid season RVP said that he would like to concentrate on football matters and leave the contract matter till the end of the season. From all accounts we have offered our best ever contract to Robin. If he still doesnt want to stay then the only thing one can do is sign another striker and hope for the best! My view is that if RVP does not sign a new contract at the end of the Euros, he should be sold. Great player and one of my favourite gunners of all time but dedication to the cause is paramount.
Deltaforce
No doubt delta and I'm sure a few meetings were held with nasti too with the same intention of trying to get him to stay on, but I'm equally sure that as with nasti Wenger will be told 'no way will a player that we can get 25 million for now be allowed to walk for nothing next year, and I think that this will continue to be the case until we are completely debt free
nikolaijns
Surely someone will take bendtner now?
nikolaijns
CRIKEY! Bendtner puts TWO past Portugal! Must be allergic to English balls :)
julieloveshenry4ever
The two best Arsenal players at the tournament so far are the two most likely to leave. I can't work out whether that's a good thing or bad thing.
Rocky7
What a game. Would love to see all four teams on 3 points going into the final round of games. Would be intriguing to say the least.
Ned Stark
LOL ;-) Cracking goal that from Varela. Ronaldo's having a 'mare...
julieloveshenry4ever
I hear Dortmund are quite interested in Bendtner. Perhaps a makeweight plus cash in a sensational swoop for Goetze?? Or maybe not...
Ned Stark
This tournament is not even a week old and it's already better than the 2010 world Cup. Some really entertaining football. Germany Holland next ... though I reckon that match will be full of arsehattery and shenannigans that entertaining football.
Rocky7
A good game. REALLY looking forward to the next one but am a bit torn between Holland and Germany who are teams I tend to support. And before I get an ear-bashing, I'm from Northern Ireland- I HAVE to adopt another nation in these tournaments! Van Persie v Podolski could be interesting...
julieloveshenry4ever
Hope its a cracking game. Think the Dutch will go with a very attacking line up and I reckon either VDV will start instead of De Thug or Huntelaar will be up front with RVP with De Thug again being sacrificed. Still reckon the Germans may break Dutch hearts though and steal a win.
Ned Stark
Too right Rocky- there's absolutely no love lost between the Dutch and the Germans, that's for sure...
julieloveshenry4ever
The Germans are quicker off the mark, it would seem. Robin has already missed two opportunities. Cursed or what?
Naijagunner
The Dutch have got to retain belief and not lose their shape; anything less and they will be taken to the cleaners tonight.
Naijagunner
Ouch! Spoke too soon. It's 2 by Gomez.
Naijagunner
Early break for RvP. Good and bad. Good. coz we need him. Bad. Gets more time to think about his summer move.
Sajit
He's just drilled one in Sajit.
Naijagunner
Besides, this group could have a qualifier with 3 points. It's that finely poised at the moment.
Naijagunner
Poor result for the Dutch. Largely self inflicted, though the Germans were by far, the better team tonight.
Naijagunner
Awesome goal from Robin. Unfortunately the Netherlands were well beaten by Germany. Gomez's goals were awesome as well, the first was beautfilly taken. RVP seems a bit bothered, he was snatching at every chance before his goal, there's huge pressure on him apparently due to Huntelaar not starting.
NADH-91
If Robin had simply signed that contract extension, he will have gone to the championships a "settled" man with nothing to prove. Hehehehe!
Naijagunner
Seriously though, it was down to the team set-up of the team from Holland. The chemistry wasn't right and there were reports big egos in the side voicing displeasure at not starting.
Naijagunner
...and what about Robben's long walk? I've been supporting the Dutch for years- why do they always shoot themselves in the foot? Worse than the Chelski dressing room and that's saying something.
julieloveshenry4ever
Robben is an absolute c***biscuit. If I could choose one player never to be allowed anywhere near the Arsenal team it would be him. Horrible player, horrible individual, and until Holland stop playing him they'll have no cohesion and no spirit.
Rocky7
Easily the best thing about van Persie's goal was that Robben was wide open in a great position and Robin ignored him.
Little Dutch
Sorry but that long walk was jonathan pearce making a scandal out of absolutely nothing, his team are losing and he wanted to get off the pitch quicker, i wish some players would do that more often. And, what's this? HE WALKED PAST PHOTOGRAPHERS!!! No fkin way Pearce, really? Where's he supposed to walk? I fkin hate these people that tell me about what i'm watching with my own eyes, i wish you could just turn the commentary off yet leave the crowd on.
shewore
The photographers thing was ********* SW I agree, but his departure from the pitch was nothing more than an act of petulism. It had nothing to do with wanting to get off the pitch so his team could get on with the game. You could see it in his face, he was seething. I'm not sure how true it is that he sat away from the dugout either, but if it is correct it just goes to show what an egotistical brat he is. I wouldn't mind so much if he were up to Messi's standards (well I would actually, it's just a turn of phrase) but he has just enough ability for him to think he's the most important player on the pitch where in actual fact, unless he emphasises team player he's actually more of a hinderance to the team than a help.
Rocky7
*team play
Rocky7
He sat straight back down in the dugout, don't get me wrong, he's a very selfish player and I won't forgive him for the CL final, but last night going off the pitch that side as absolutely fine, nothing wrong in it.
shewore
Ok, maybe he didn't sit in the dugout :) I just can't stand Jonathan "SCANDAL" Pearce. like "walking round the perimeter of the pitch!!" wasn't the only option after leaving the pitch from the other side.
shewore
I agree, more was made of that than was necessary. Pearce always looks for a sensationalist angle. Hence the miles and miles of guff about van Persie not scoring with every single touch of the ball.
Little Dutch
Shewore, I thought Robben just wanted to expedite the substitution as well, until I saw him shouting and pointing at somebody, then peeling his shirt off before he was anywhere near the dug-out. Mind you, I definitely agree about the pundits always looking for the drama angle. It's all "grist to the mill." If there was any anger in Robben's exit, he won't be the first player to be unhappy at coming off and he won't be the last. I think Holland might've got a second if he'd stayed on, as it happens.
julieloveshenry4ever
Pearce is bad but seriously Tyldesley is next level excruciating.
nikolaijns
Mark Lawerenson is easily the worst pundit in the world. He offers absolutely nothing in terms of informative commentary or even decent opinions. As one of the followers of VA Twitter labelled him last night, he's a "massive boring****". Best description of him ever.
Rocky7
Very nice game.. Theo was superb and Welbecks finish was world class. Very rare of me to say england were actually entertaining.
Sajit
Young was absolute pants. Have never honestly rated the guy, but tonight really showed what a lightweight he is.
Wyn Mills
Ox would have scored tonight but for Gerrard's last minute defensive hoof for Sweden. The scouse git was good in the first half but he, Milner and Parker faded badly in the second half when England started to lose the midfield.
Wyn Mills
Well done lads!
nikolaijns
Thank you Theo Walcott!!! His goal was well taken indeed and he showed great drive in the assist for Welbeck as well. That was the definition of an impact substitution.
NADH-91
Theo had an effective game for England tonight; a showing that wil do his confidence no harm. The youngsters did a job for the team, this game. I thought Parker may have played a good part of the 2nd half carrying a knock as he appeared to be limping.
Naijagunner
Ox was certain to have scored as he was coming onto the ball at a better angle than Stevie G. Anyhow, it didn't matter in the end.
Naijagunner
Got to love the Daily mail. "Didnt he do well" emblazened on the back page. Must be theo I hear you say....nope, its all about Danny Welbeck and Carrols magnificent header.....however Theo found the back of the net with a deflected effort. I kid you not!!
gunnerman76
Great game last night. Going to be bold and say it is the best game I have seen so far at the Euro's along with the Russia v Czech game. GM76 that don't surprise me, just shows how Anti Arsenal the media are. Theo should be getting the plaudits for changing that game, his assist for the winner and of course, the belter of the shot that let to his goal. ***** the media.
Ned Stark
Unbelievable, albeit expected coverage by the Daily mail. Welbeck did okay but wasn't about to do anything to change the game until Theo came on.
Naijagunner
If hodgson didn't make that substitution, we would have lost that game, plain and simple. Possibly by a bigger margin then 2-1. I don't want to go overboard with theo, but if there ever was an impact substitution, then that was it. Even without his goal and assist his overall energy seemed to raise the rest of the team who seemed rather sluggish until he came on. Theo is a massive confidence player. After his wonder strike he was buzzing.....I was screaming, just give the ball to him! If welbeck starts against the Ukraine he must be praying Walcott starts ahead of Milner (one of the most over rated English players.......alongside Barry). All the spuds slagging him off need to ask RVP how ***** theo is at crossing the ball. As for Gerrard hoofing the ball off chamberlains right footed swing.......looked at the replay and there is no way the ox was missing that, he shaped himself perfect for the finish. We need to go at the Ukraine and finish top of this group. Just no downing or Milner or Carroll......even if he did score. Would much prefer welbeck alongside Rooney....or even theo.
gunnerman76
Oh and I left the back pages of the mail in the kitchen for the cat to ***** on.
gunnerman76
Haha, LD I though your maths was a little off, Russia didn't make it after all!
BergGunner
What a topsy turvy Euro's. Before the games I thought the Russians and Poles were shoe-in's to qualify. Shows how much I know. Hopefully that means that tonight the Dutch against the odds somehow qualify by thrashing the Portuguese and go all the way to the final. Or perhaps me bumping my head the other night caused me to lose a few braincells.
Ned Stark
Theo was a true game changer! And had Gerrard left that (perfect) cross he would've got a a goal and two assists in under 30 mins. But I'm sure I don't need to point out that Theo was playing more as a CF than a winger.
No 10
Was he, really? I recall he replaced Milner and merely tucked in on the right side; of course when the opportunity came to move in-field, in a quick counter attack, or taking up a position at the edge of the opponent's box, as they must have agreed in training for corner kicks, he didn't resist.
Naijagunner
Walcott should shoot from distance a lot more. He has a thunderous right foot, he also has a pretty good free kick on him that not many people know about, but obviously playing in the same team as RVP most people don't get to see it. If he were playing in a more central role then he would probably get more opportunity to pull the trigger from distance. He definitely has it in his locker. The nightmare senario for me is that he doesn't extend his contract, moves on to another team, plays as a striker and scores for fun. His goal tally for playing as a wide man last season was actually pretty good. He scores more then most in the league playing the same position. I would love hodgson to have the balls to play him just in front of Rooney against the Ukraine. He makes great diagonal runs in behind defences, and Rooney loves giving those kind of balls. I think it could be a great combination. It does frustrate me that theo hasn't been given a real chance to show what he can do as a CF. He certainly would have offered us more there then chamakh.
gunnerman76
Never seen the Dutch play worse than they have done in this tournament in my 20 odd years of following the Dutch national team. Shambolic.
Sajit
Sad end to the Dutch and van Persie's Euro 2012 adventure. Football can be such a cruel game not having regard to how many stars or top scorers in any team; it may be down to who is in better form on the day, or who wants it more; or even luck.
Naijagunner
The German team is a machine. Can't see them not making the final.
gunnerman76
I think Theo needs first to perfect his balance and composure when he has the ball, something which he can do playing from the wings. My guess is that Wenger wants the best for his development and it just requires him to have patience and not be in a hurry to play as a CF; don't forget he has missed quite a few sitters running through the middle. He will eventually play as a CF but if his failure to sign his new deal is as a result of his desire to play in the middle and perhaps intends to get it playing for any of the sides showing interest in him, he could end up ruining his potentially great career ahead.
Naijagunner
...So long as they don't cross swords with the likes of Spain before the final, Gunnerman76
Naijagunner
Theo works best bending his run in behind a fullback, working in that avenue between the CB and FB and revelling in that confusion. Playing centrally, he wouldn't get that chance, would need to hold the ball up with his back to goal and would have two CBs up his arse all the time. He's a long, long way from being a central player.
Little Dutch
I disagree LD, every Great player plays to their strengths. I didnt see Owen in his prime with his back to goal holding the ball up. Unfortunately for him his strength was his pace, so it was no coincidence his effectiveness as a striker suffered massively, he couldn't adapt his game. But when he had his tendons intact he was very effective as a speed merchant down the middle. Rvp does not have the pace he used too, but his all round technical game and strength allow him to be just as deadly in front of goal. Like I say if Walcott was deployed down the middle it's pointless expecting him to hold the ball up, but I've seen him on many occasions with his back to goal and turning defenders with his pace. Expecting Walcott to hold up the ball is like asking andy Carroll to make darting diagonal runs on to through balls using his pace. You play to your front mans strengths. That's why in the perfect world it's great to have a selection of strikers with different strengths. If you have one with all those attributes then your not far off Henry in his prime, and we know how few and far between they are.......even he didn't like using his head!
gunnerman76
I think theo will always divide opinion with arsenal fans. Don't get me wrong, I get as frustrated with him like most arsenal fans, but at the same time I realised last season how hard we found it to get in behind defences without him. We are MUCH more effective with him in the team then out the team......in my opinion. Our last two great strikers turned out to be much better at CF then on the wing.......I feel Walcott can do the same given the chance. RVP stepped up to the plate after Henry left. If RVP does go and theo stays, then I think he should at least be given the chance. It didn't do robin any harm.
gunnerman76
Surely only Theo believes he's better at CF than on the wing! His finishing is inconsistent at best, using his pace to beat fullbacks, get to the byline and cut it back for the assist is what he's best at. He showed a lot of that this season and he was very effective, he'll still get a couple of goals from the wing too! He should just embrace that role and give up on his delusions of being a striker!
BergGunner
For a team like Arsenal he'd have to hold the ball up cos that's what we face, tight, packed defences. Neutering Theo as a centre forward would be remarkably easy. Just sit on the edge of your area- which is what teams do against us anyway. There's just no way Theo could flourish centrally in both the style we play and the styles we encounter. Owen didn't face that with England or Liverpool.
Little Dutch
@Naija He did replace Milner but we actually went to three up front, another reason why we held onto the ball a lot better and won the ball back higher up the pitch.
No 10
@LD I disagree, his assist was made from using that avenue from a central position. If you play from wide and come into that position their FB will be the one to follow you and their CB will be able to see you all the way. Coming from central out and into that avenue creates more issues for a defence as you will move between the CB and FB responsibility and, quite often, do this while the FB has limited sight of you. And if a team just sit back we have enough players, Theo included who can shoot from distance to punish them for that.
No 10
@BG a good CF will move throughout the last third of the pitch to take up those positions, both Henry and RvP do it and Theo would too. But they will also have the freedom move their focus to any position on the back line. Having someone with Theo's pace allowed to exploit space made from a RB/LB forward run or a CB stepping out for a challenge would make him much more effective than his current position allows.
No 10
@everyone :) I hope that the Dutch example at Euro2012 will make people realise that what makes a winning team is not star names but team spirit and a good work ethic. I hope this can be translated to RvP too.
No 10
I understand the argument for Theo wanting to play CF, of course you can move about the pitch and having pace is a good attribute no matter where you play but the other players you mention (RvP and Henry) have far more all round attributes than Theo, i.e. finishing, holding the ball up. With the system that Arsenal play, he will never be a first choice CF, how many diminutive strikers have had success playing on their own upfront in the PL in recent seasons? None spring to mind immediately. He did very well last season on the wing and has never shown that he would be any better in a central role, so why not embrace his position a s a winger where he can contribute the most for the team rather than moan about not being a striker?
BergGunner
As for the Euros, I'm pretty bleak about Holland, they've always been my favourite European team but they were absolute pants this time around despite the superstars. Never deserved to go through. Hopefully RvP can satisfy his desire for trophies with the gunners next season!
BergGunner
Theo can't beat players like other pacey forwards sighted. He relishes the confusion he can create between full back and centre half as to who should be picking him up (full backs are always slightly more advanced and leave space in behind anyway). Play Walcott upfront and you've got 2 players absolutely detailed to look after him. I just can't see it. He doesn't have the guile or intelligence of movement and wouldn't get the space. Besides which, his runs between full back and centre half are so vital and really, the only reason he's in the team. Players can find him there and his pace is an attribute. He doesn't have the skilset to play elsewhere and he offers the team a lot where he is. I just can't see a single good reason to move him.
Little Dutch
I tend to agree that he wouldn't be at his best as a loan striker but I do think he would be very effective in a front two. It's a plan B that hasn't been used enough. As for his ability to beat a player: he has done it many many times, but the way a winger gets past someone is very different to the way a CF does (Henry apart). A CF only needs to make space for a shot or pass and winger needs to have more forethought and that is where he often falls short. Look at his first goal for us against a very strong Chelsea defence, he looked very much like Owen.
No 10
We don't play with a front two for a start, but I think if we stuck him in a front two it would be very one dimensional. The goal against Chelsea- aside from the fact it was hardly a piece of lovely trickery that got him past Cole (he fell over his own feet)- came as he cut in from the wing. That's why he only had Cole to beat. Terry couldn't get across in time. He starts in the middle, he has a CB ahead of him and a DM behind him. He'd never have got through in that scenario. The only time he beats players arise when he knocks the ball into space and runs after it. Wouldn't be able to do that faced with two CBs and a covering DM detailed in that area of the pitch. Being able to shift the ball half a yard to get a shot off is a valuable trait in a striker and I just don't see that Theo has it. The only thing we'd be able to do with him upfront is hope that the opposing defence are naive enough to play a high line, which no defence in the world would do faced with Walcott.
Little Dutch
You never know LD, if AVB takes the Spuds job he may tell the Spuds defence to play a high line like he told the Chavski defenders to do at the Bridge last season and Theo can then have a field day with that defence :-) Theo is a bit too mercurial, that's his problem. When at his best he can be devastating, when he is at his worst I feel like hurling a brick through my TV as it is so frustrating watching him play when he has a shocker. Could try him in a front two but I am not convinced it would work either TBH.
Ned Stark
Nice banter going on here about Theo and obviously, I am with L.D and BergGunner on this one. We know very well how Theo can frustrate the life out of you so, we shouldn't get carried away just because he came on to change the game for England. The man is very limited in the skills department and his physical attributes don't give any assurance he will make a fantastic CF, at least, not at this time. He is just not ready to play that role on a full time basis. As a surprise tactical move, maybe but no more than that.
Naijagunner
I think we are talking about different 1st goals...I'm talking about his first goal for arsenal, the CC final 2007. I know we don't play 4-4-2 at the moment, what I am saying is that that would be a good option to play him up front. 2-1 up and wanting to see a game out, that sort of thing.
No 10
Like I said, he divides opinion :)
gunnerman76
Berggunner.......have to disagree that theo should embrace his position. If petit embraced his position he wouldn't of had a world class partnership with viera, if Henry or RVP would have embraced their position......do I really need to say? Lots of people, even gooners baulked at the idea of robin playing as a lone striker. I'm really going to throw a grenade in here and go as far to say that I think we have a beast of a DM already in our squad with a howitzer of a left foot and a tackle to match.......a certain vermaelen! Personally I think DM is much more natural position for him, playing in front of a more tactically aware kos and mert. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT!?
gunnerman76
Hmmm, he came on as a striker in a 4-4-2 against Sunderland in the Cup and I think he kicked the ball three times in 45 minutes. If I were an opposing CB, I think I'd find it easy to stop him. That goal in the CC Final of 07 is probably the only type of goal he could actually offer from centre forward, not enough variety and quite easily countered. Just don't push up and voila, he's useless. Vermaelen as a DM, don't see it myself. CBs have the advantage of having a partner alongside them so look after a smaller area of the pitch. A defensive midfielder has to patrol a much larger area and have the awareness to fill in gaps, when a full back goes forward for instance. Or block off a run from an opposing attacker, or shepherd and jockey the opposition in midfield. I think TV5's qualities are far too blood and thunder to be an effective DM, especially as our midfield relies on interchangeability so much.
Little Dutch
Haha, Vermaelen at DM, that's an interesting one! But I think you've got to trust Wenger on these things, he's always been very good at analysing a player's attributes and the players you mention have all changed position with his blessing if I can put it that way. The fact that Arsene persists with Theo on the wing says it all really...
BergGunner
7 YEARS TROPHY LESS AND CONTINUES!
emile heskey spurs
How can you laugh at anyone else when emile heskey is your shining heroic beacon? Enjoy thursday nights on whatever channel it's on now that even 5 can't be arsed. Trophyless is one word and the correct tense would be continuing/ or it continues. It's been a while since I've seen a post with so much fail frankly, you really didn't need to throw the word sp*rs into the mix but as you have it's probably the greatest failed post ever. Congrats!
nikolaijns
51 years without a league title. Tick tock.
Deltaforce
a one man team shouldn't talk like that really, when Van Pervert ***** off to City, your team will be back at middle club and getting battered AGAIN by Manu, 8-2 reckon? :)
emile heskey spurs
Yep we will be back at middle club, saturday the 2nd of March to be precise. Again our track record against utd is infinitely better than yours so not much for you to laugh about is it? I mean your record against them couldn't be worse could it? As well as being their feeder club Ferguson must have it in writing that you roll over and whimper for a tummy tickle every single time. Still fair play for sticking your empty little head over the parapet for us to use as target practice, after your hilarious end of season we weren't expecting to see any spud in daylight for some time as they lie low in their caves licking wounds, but then you're not the sharpest pin in the cushion are you sunshine? I mean your username speaks volumes before anything has even been said.
nikolaijns
If UEFA have fined Bendtner 80k for his pants showing how much will they fine England for theirs? The cat just climbed over me and farted right in my face, which was only marginally less pleasant than watching that 1st half.
nikolaijns
He runs off, tail between legs, sulking. Lol.
Naijagunner
What is it with Rooney? In the prem he'll fight like feck if he loses the ball. Tonight he's walking around like a wet pansy.
Wyn Mills
His first game for his country in this tournament. He is 'humbled', his team mates held on to give him a chance to experience the Euros and now, even qualifying for the Quarter finals. He is pacing himself.
Naijagunner
Transplant him into the England set up and he can be a different beast though wyn, he's well aware the ref could wig out and dish up cards if he's over exuberant, he did manage to weave his way a little even though it got a little hairy for England at times.
nikolaijns
Has Gerrard been taking motivational positivity classes from Mark Lawrenson? miserable git lol
nikolaijns
England looked solid tonight in a very tough game, any host nation in a must win game isn't going to be easy. Gerrard & Cashley especially were immense. Come on England!
HuddersfieldYiddo
Nobody's used the 'Stevie Me' moniker in criticism of Gerrard more than I. But fair play, think he's been a real team player this tournament and England's best by a long chalk.
Little Dutch
Apparantly the nation is in a state of drought again tonight after the entire nation went and showered after cheering Terrys' goal line clearance.
nikolaijns
Cant believe I cheered that (unt when he cleared the ball.
Wyn Mills
yeeessssssurrrrghhh
nikolaijns
A ONE MAN TEAM A ONE MAN TEAM
emile heskey spurs
Well that must obviously pain you more that you were battered back underneath us by one man alone, battered back down as you choked weekend after weekend in pure unadulterated fear. Making your last day fill yer kecks laughathon of 2006 look like childplay as the mind the gap lead was whittled merrily back as your bottling squad of fecktards stood whimpering in dressing rooms across the land whispering and whimpering "the dutchman is coming the dutchman is coming" as they sucked each others thumbs and broke out the consoling andrex yet again.
nikolaijns
One man > 11 plonkers
Sajit
Presuming you're referring to van Persie, worth pointing out he only scored one of the 6 goals we plundered past Dead Knee King and his gang of chumps last season.
Little Dutch
tbf Terry and Cole last night were outstanding. JT's only doing it to curry favour with any potential jurors i reckon
shewore
When Walcott finally re-emerges from Terrys arse during the trial that will no doubt go in Terrys favour. How can I be racist when I have allowed a black man to stay rent free in my colon for so long?
nikolaijns
ya ya, talk what you want, next season we will see another trophy less seasons of yours and end up at 6th -7th position while we are going to UCL, without Van Pervert goal last season, you lot would end up in a relegation battle..#fact
emile heskey spurs
just like last season eh, and the season before. Honestly, if you're a spurs fan you may as well pack up and go home, not finishing above us last year makes you a laughing stock, again, again, again. LOL.
shewore
Hope Laurent Koscielny justifies his inclusion for France come Saturday. Looking forward to watching him seize the opportunity with both hands. Spain is a hard one, though.
Naijagunner
I think this chap is an attention junkie and a sucker for punishment. He is clearly, enjoying the fact anyone pays his posts any attention. Ignore him and he will return to the sad life of unmet aspirations, year in-year out, he has lived and will continue to live.
Naijagunner
Two quality signings already in to either compliment or replace RVP, either way our ass is covered. Seems like another quality midfielder will be joining our ranks to compliment wilshere, arteta, rosicky and co. we have a manager who is showing ambition in the transfer market. Things could be worse.....we could be without a manager and zero signings.....and on top of that we could have missed out on the champions league! Just imagine that!
gunnerman76
So, it is Spain v Portugal. Tasty!
Naijagunner
The French didn't look like they wanted to score tonight. More interested in not conceding than having a chance to go through to the semi-final. Very disappointed with the game.
Naijagunner
Hope Portugal win the Iberian semi-final. Spain were boring as ***** last night with that defensive tiki-taka play that we saw. As for tonight's game, it is shaping up to be a cracker. Both sides have already come within a dog's hair of scoring. Hope they keep up this tempo. Would love an end to end game.
Ned Stark
It's either he is playing to the Manager's instructions or Ashley Young is Roy's love child. How does he get to stay on in these games?
Naijagunner
He's contributed little for the team and fails to give Cole much in terms of cover. The defenders have done well, relatively, for England. This looks like going all the way.
Naijagunner
***** all game man
Sajit
That was like watching arsenal against Blackburn at home last season. COMPLETELY outplayed and taught a footballing lesson. A small part of me didn't want us to win during the penalties. It would have been a football travesty if we had of sneaked a win on penalties. One simple rule that England seem to fail MASSIVELY in every tournement, is POSSESSION........keep the fu(king ball. I was pulling my hair out watching hart and co hoofing the ball back to the Italians. Every time Buffon picked up the ball he just rolled it out to his defenders who in turn passed it to the midfield. I ask you why can't we do that?? And Ashley young is a pure lightweight. The difference between a good player and a great player is mental strength and belief in ones abilities, Pirlo is a perfect example of that. We are the stoke city of international football.
gunnerman76
Rule Number One- never let a man with a girl's name take a PK. I'm sure my niece Ashley would have buried hers having played at a fairly high level in girl's soccer.
elbondo
At least Stoke City give you a run for your money! I was embarrassed watching that match, as I suspect was everyone in the BBC studio who could barely bring themselves to look at the camera. And I just knew Young would feck it up. He could barely beat anyone on the field all evening.
Wyn Mills
I hoped the Italians would score early on , atleast to make the game interesting. im pretty sure if England had gone a goal behind they would have attacked more and probably won the game. But far too many ordinary performances today. Young, Rooney, Theo - all very average. Only the defense and Gerrard and Parker were good.
Sajit
Rooney was a bit disappointing. Clearly unfit and lacking his usual aggression. Welbeck carried much more threat which is why I was surprised he was taken off. Either the Ox or Defoe would have been worth a punt in extra time.
Wyn Mills
My thoughts (at the time) exactly, Wyn. If Welbeck was to be taken off, it had to be for an equally, hard working forward, with some skill. Carrol did little to help the situation as crosses were not coming as would have been perfect for his game. The Ox would run at that defence, unless of course, he gets a different instruction from Hodgson. Better it ends here, though. The Germans may not be as forgiving.
Naijagunner
I just knew Ashley Young would miss. It was Cole's miss that surprised me a bit. I can't, for the life of me, say what Young does for the Manager for him to remain as long as he does in the games.
Naijagunner
I honestly thought he was putting theo on for young, my mouth dropped when I saw Milner walking off. I'm not a Milner fan but he was offering us more then young, and didn't get blown off the ball at the slightest gust of wind. I never thought young had international class when he first played for England. After his performances last season I started to change my mind. Can't believe he didn't drag him off for the ox to run at them in extra time. When I saw Henderson come on I almost walked out the house. This England team is crying out for jack wilshere to be the hub of the team.
gunnerman76
If I had a pound coin for every time Jack Wilshere's name has been mentioned since Monday morning across all the sports media, I'd be as rich as Creosus. Pressure? Much?
julieloveshenry4ever
To be fair Julie I think he revels in it, think of the barca game. I don't think it will faze him.
gunnerman76
Cashley's penalty was so *****e that Buffon held on to it. Mark of a *****e penalty IMO. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke. Young Jack as great as he is, is not the answer to England's problems. They go far deeper than simply not having an 'Andrea Pirlo' type player. I am curious to see what Hodgson does and the approach he takes in the run up to Brazil 2014. As for tonight's game, what a bunch of *****. Spain have gotten very boring very fast. Don't like either side but hope Portugal sneak through so Spain's grip on the trophy is released.
Ned Stark
Ok this sucks big time. With Germany out, I dont have a team to cheer for in the final. Cant stand either of the other two.
Sajit
Can Italy do it? Much as I'd like for them to do it, I think not. It will be a fascinating final no doubt. But, I think Spain will nick it.
Naijagunner
2-0 already.
Naijagunner
 

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