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Liverpool vs Arsenal

Today`s offering sees Arsenal take on Liverpool at Anfield, and as I won`t be around later to publish the team news, you`ll have to settle for a simple match discussion thread instead.

After a rather disappointing end of August that saw not more body come in to strengthen our lines, Arsene Wenger`s Arsenal attempt to register not only their first win of the season but also their first goal.

After two goalless draws in our first two games it`s imperative we get three points on the board. Not only because we also have Chelsea and Manchester City to play in September, but also because a loss today would see Gooners up in arms after the Frenchman`s decision not to bring any fresh faces in after letting van Persie, Song, Bendtner and Park leave the club.

With Liverpool and Arsenal have the two worst shooting accuracy stats in the league so far this season, we could be in for a long day.




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The Journalist

Writer: Rocky7 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday September 2 2012

Time: 12:11PM

Your Comments

Key team news to watch out for will be whether we pick Koscielny over the clean sheet-assured partnership of Per and the Verminator. Then there's the matter of who plays, between Gervinho, Theo and the Ox.
Naijagunner
Team news out. Only change to our last team is the Ox in for Gervinho. I will much prefer that the manager retains the defense. I have heard it said that Per can't deal with the pace and guile of Suarez and I can only say Per does have a way of keeping the danger men quiet when he is on his game. In any case, how many defenders can cope with that chap? I wish Oxlade-Chamberlain a good game. If he is good enough for England, he is old enough for this.
Naijagunner
Need to get better crosses in for Giroud. I thought that is why we have Jenks plaing .
Naijagunner
Poooolddddiiiiiiiiii!!!
Naijagunner
Cazorla's set up was brilliant, don't know how he spotted poldi's run
Gooner_Vin
Credit to Giroud for his movement which split the Liverpool defense.
Naijagunner
I don't know but I feel Oxlade-Chamberlain should be doing more defensively, in support of Jenks, who has held his own today, despite two mis-placed passes and kick-outs.
Naijagunner
Word for Diaby too, his close control has been majestic often surrounded by two or three, he hasn't dawdled and hasn't surrendered possession trying to do too much, but has strode forward when the occasion has presented itself. Come on Arsenal! Also that 'she said no robin' chant is just embarrassing, real low class bitter crap, we should be much better than that.
nikolaijns
Diaby; probably our MOTM, today. Al round intelligent play by the Arsenal and even the keeper earned his shirt today. Well, it is another clean sheet for the side, which is good for confidence.
Naijagunner
Chuffed for our new signings (two of them) getting off the mark from a goal scoring point of view. I don't care what the media say, Arsenal were the better side today. Defending was solid enough, after the unfair (his first infraction) yellow card to Per.
Naijagunner
Superb win, we look a totally different proposition with Bould in charge defensively, even with Gibbo & Jenks we seem so much more solid. Great to see Pod & Santi net. Onwards & upwards Arsenal with a great launch pad to give some badly needed confidence both on & off the field.
nikolaijns
3 successive clean sheets in the first 3 games, first time since 88 years according skysports
Joe_@**
MoM Abu vieira great display. Any how did Liverpool not score with Joachim Phoenix in goal??
ThatSumsItAllUp
Chuffed.
Sajit
That's Joaquin Phoenix. That being said Johnny Cash had a good game in goal. Good performance. Just back from boozer and the Liverpool fans there were drooling over Santi and wishing they had a player like him in their ranks. Steve Bould has worked wonders with that defence and they look a lot more solid. Verms was absolutely heroic today, throwing himself in front of every Pool chance he could get too and stopped Suarez getting any clear cut chances on goal. Jenks was also impressive when he came up against Stevie G. Diaby was deservedly the MOTM too IMO and Santi's link up with Poldi for the first goal was almost telepathic. The only unfortunate thing was Giroud not being able to score. I was really willing him on to break his duck and I honestly thought he had scored with that effort that went wide. Imagine how disappointed I was when didnt nestle in the back of Liverpool net. Overall, a good performance and it was nice to secure three points with a clean sheet no less and great to see Poldi and Santi break their scoring ducks (even though Reina's keeping on the latter was shocking. He really has become a liability for them) Just have to maintain that defensive solidarity and keep it going.
Ned Stark
Spare a thought for poor Nuri too who must have surely been thinking the whole game and on the bench that he had joined the wrong team :-)
Ned Stark
Impressive display today. Even Bouldy just sitting on the bench makes us look more secure. Just love watching Carzorla - a little bundle of creative energy. And Arteta had a great match too. (Song who?) Have to also give credit to Diaby after putting the boot in last week. Looks stronger with each game. Personally though, my motm was the Verminator. Kept everything out.
Wyn Mills
Let's not get carried away. We've still got far too much money in the bank and we did badly in the transfer window compared to other clubs. We still haven't replaced Song which was clear today after our third clean sheet. If Jenks and Mannone get injured we've only Sagna and Sczesny as cover. Who can replace Cazorla apart from Rosicky and maybe Ramsey? If we carry on making a profit on player trading how will we ever be able to bring in other players? We have to start making a loss like other teams do otherwise we'll never achieve anything.
Amos.
So when is the site going to update the table to the right? Need to see our name in the top 10 for the inter lull.
Naijagunner
Amos, that's not even subtle irony. No-one is getting carried away. It was a very good performance, but that is far from a top notch Liverpool side.
Wyn Mills
Lol, Amos. You can't deny the fans a chance at a rant now and them and those concerns still remain. We do lack in some areas but have made up for that in great team spirit and determination from the likes of Jenks. We should live assured that injuries would not mean a collapse; even Wenger admits we will have worries if Diaby returns to the treatment table. I remain a supporter but don't have to be happy when things are cocked up so royally.
Naijagunner
Nice one Amos, my thoughts exactly! ;-)
BergGunner
Haven't replaced Song? Diaby was solid and a much bettler dribbler and close control than Song. You also got the order wrong. Manone & Jenkinson are covers for Szczesny & Sagna NOT the other way around.
Gunnerfan1987
So There! Heaven's above.
Wyn Mills
Agree with Naija. Lets hold our horses. Whilst it was a good and confidence boosting performance, the real acid test will come a bit later in the month when we play Citeh and the Chavs back to back. Just hope there are not any frailties which are exposed then. We played a very average Liverpool side today.
Ned Stark
As for Jens and ox......have a week off lads!
ThatSumsItAllUp
Sing when your winning boys don't hold back
ThatSumsItAllUp
2-0 against the Scousers at Anfield. SWEET :-D
julieloveshenry4ever
United 1-0 behind
Gunnerfan1987
5 things learned from the game: 1) jenkinson is not too bad if he is not asked to play like roberto carlos; 2) mannone is not bad as a deputy no. 1; 3) we can win game without dominating possession; 4) defence first policy works; 5) diaby could be great if he moulds himself to be a full time defensive midfielder
Joe_@**
first time in 88 years the team hasn’t allowed a goal in its first three matches.
Gunnerfan1987
Joe: let diaby do his thing. He's great at bombing into space he stretches the game giving us space to exploit on the counter, of he sits back we then have arteta passing into corners. He's not defensive. Box to box proper midfielder. Defence defends, midfielders break down and attack. Don't tag a tall player defensive for his characteristics. Let him play the game. Dmf is a ********* term bit needed for arsenal
ThatSumsItAllUp
How good was Diaby today? Hopefully he can stay fit. Massive question mark though, especially when we start playing more than one game a week.
gunnerkid107
Another great goal by RvP. I wonder how good he, Podolski, and Cazorla would have been.
gunnerkid107
Easy on the smugness there Amos, jenks and mannone are only in the team as ches and sagna are injured, if you say martinez and yennaris then fair enough. rosicky and rambo both do a job but neither come anywhere near to santi in terms of creativity. it's a long old season and it seems we'll be mostly having to thrash the hell out of all 3 new signings in every game as the options are very very lean. One more signing to bolster the squad wouldn't have broken anybody. and could well make the difference between 3rd and 4th. or 2nd and 3rd. Time will tell. One things for sure had Wenger not got the fear and persuaded Pat to stay an extra season then we'd have likely avoided the 8-2 horrorshow with Bould in place. So if Wenger got that wrong (which he did) then he could well yet regret remaining inactive once we were mercifully back in profit after the dizzying 35M outlay on the 3 newbies.
nikolaijns
The 8-2 was a one off. Remember the 6-1?? Not to do with management but luck: ie every free kick in the corner. Another day that was 3-2! Ish
ThatSumsItAllUp
That's some ironic irony there Amos. Suggesting that we're ok after one good performance is equally as bad as suggesting we're in trouble after two toothless performances.
Rocky7
Plus I don't think anyone is getting ahead of themselves, just celebrating a good win and an important three points.
Rocky7
It was also a relief not having to witness Laurel and Hardy on the wings today, but knowing we could draw on pace from the bench if needed, definitely the way to go.
nikolaijns
RvP brings so much to any team and with Rooney out injured, it has given him his chance to step up and be the main man while the selection headache I had hoped Fergie would have had isn't there anymore. However, S'ton are holding there own and are good value for the " surprise" score line.
Naijagunner
Why do we attack AW so much about signings, he can only sign what is availlable and in such a way that it would not affect the Arsenal structure and dressing room. The best players if not right for the team can also be destructive. (ADEBAYOR remember?)! I also agree that Diabi was not only good but exemplified the Arsenal way.
phreddy
I'm not suggesting we're ok after one game at all. I'm fully aware that we won today because Liverpool imploded because they haven't spent enough in the transfer market. Surprised to hear that Cazorla is so much better than what we already have though. Everyone knows we sell our best players and don't replace them. Something must have gone wrong there.
Amos.
2-1 Saints. Two brilliant headers.
Naijagunner
He can only sign what is available? Well Song had three years left on his contract freddy, most peoples' idea of unavailable you'd have thought. Wenger is attacked because of his consistent changing of the goalposts. After song goes we're looking at replacing him, a fortnight later and we are in for signing a couple of players window closes and still the tumbleweed blows. As for affecting team morale I'm sorry but the team all look pretty relieved in hearing Arsenal are getting strengthened, witness jacks reaction to santis signing, it's not one of damn my place is under threat, it's great the boss is helping us to be competitive this season.
nikolaijns
Were the 49 goals conceded last season also a one-off? Not if you look at the stats.
Wyn Mills
No, we won today because we played well. The thing is we have a weak squad. Our injury record is horrendous, and should we lose just Cazorla and one of Podolski or Giroud (which let's face it is more probable then possible) then we will struggle. We only have two strikers in the club, that is a risky game. And a risky game that doesn't need to be played when we've got more money than most teams in the bank.

People aren't are stupid as you seem to think Amos, we know that to win anything with the oil rich sugar daddies ruining the league is going to be a tough ask .... but that doesn't mean we should settle for top four.
Rocky7
ThatSumsItAllUp, diaby gave priority to defending first against liv & each time he did that, he usually played very well. we had seen enough to know that he has the tendency to perform superbly in a game and badly in the next three where he would neglect his defensive duty wandering up the field like song. he can attack whenever he sees fit but protecting the back four should be his priority.
Joe_@**
"People aren't are stupid as you seem to think" ..... proved myself wrong there huh?! Lol
Rocky7
I know its still early days yet but it feels strange that from the Mancs and Chavs and us we are the only ones who seem to look defensively assured so far (i emphahsise the so far!) that season? Also I hope the strain of having to 'move to a better team' and now carry them doesn't strain RVPricks back too much!
dberg
agreed rocky7. let's not kid ourselves. we are not going to win the title with this squad. celebrating a good result does not absolve the poor decisions of the management in the transfer market
Joe_@**
RVP TRYING TO BE WAY TOO CHEEKY
Gunnerfan1987
A bit self-congratulatory there, eh Amos? Hell, with a good win against mediocre opposition, and not a single injury prone player on the pitch today, why bother wasting a few million on depth? Hell, we could be even more financially sound if we only took five subs to away games- that's hundreds of pounds saved on travel, hotel, and food!
elbondo
That's probably true Joe-@** we shouldn't be able to win the title with this squad but in order to win the title all we have to do is ensure we buy better squads than City and the Chavs. Indeed it's a terribly poor decision by the Arsenal management not to do that.
Amos.
Lovely Pen from Judas there. Serves him right. Nice goal earlier though.
Ned Stark
No-one knows what a better squad is. If they did City and Chelsea would be buying it every season. All we are asking for is top top top quality cover for our top top top quality first team.
Wyn Mills
No self congratulation for me elbondo. I'm only too aware of the mess we're in. Fortunately we don't have to scrimp on subs though. We've got a few bob in the bank that we should have spent buying someone or other whether what we need is available or not.
Amos.
Incredible! Robin has got them out of jail with a hat-trick.
Naijagunner
yup, amos. selling rvp to manc who probably just won the game for them again with a hattrick and selling song who had 3 years left must be the best decisions
Joe_@**
Judas cant stop scoring for the scum atm. If only he had hung around 'sigh'
Ned Stark
That #20 for United is pretty good.
gunnerkid107
RVP gets his hatrick. All those who wished him well as he packed his bags to head to Utd must be tweeting their congratulations.
Wyn Mills
Well on his way to another 30 goals a season for his new masters. Wenger, what the hell were you thinking?
Wyn Mills
Isn't it awesome how we sold the best player in the league to Manchester United?
gunnerkid107
Why did I turn on the tv for the last 5 minutes of the Southampton game thinking they'd at least get a draw given they're 2 1 up, only to see the worst possible outcome. I will never watch a manure game again unless it's against us or the big boys.
Gooner_Vin
If Song had 3 years on his contract and we sold him it's because we were happy to let him go. A decent enough player but I don't see that he was ever a pivotal player for us so I don't know why anyone should be concerned about his going. We've got players who can do the job he did. As a DM Arteta is light years ahead of him. Its a great shame we had to let RvP go sooner than we would have liked just as ManU no doubt were disappointed they had to let Ronaldo go. It may not have been a decision anyone would have wanted to take but it wasn't poor decision making.
Amos.
Seriously Amos? You think a few bob on a competent striker was not a need and would have been money wasted? I guess you play FIFA with the 'injuries off' setting. I suppose if injuries hit - and they will - we can always lure Drogba back from wherever he's in exile, and failing that I hear Michael Owen is still looking for a club.
elbondo
Always a poor decision to sell to your immediate rivals. It's not like we needed the money is it?
Wyn Mills
I think I know what AW was thinking...RVP doesn't want to stay and united are the only team to make a decent offer for him so it's difficult not to accept their offer evn tho I would prefer not to sell to a rival. I think he has already explained himself. If we finish above MU, which I think we will then his decision will be justified. We are not relying on one player nearing 30 who could break down at any time and have a much better balanced squad/team overall. United defence doesn't look great and we are above them in the league so his decision is looking quite good so far even tho it's silly to judge after just 3 games.
bowiecokemirror
We are not above them sorry but the rest of my statement still stands and I think we look like a better balanced team.
bowiecokemirror
Which competent striker was that? Was he available? How much should we have paid for him?
Amos.
I hope you're right bowie. Because if Utd are playing Champions league football and winning the FA cup at our expense next season, courtesy of RVP's goals, that £20m won't look quite so good a deal ....even with the performance related add-ons.
Wyn Mills
Our third choice striker is Chamakh which isn't great but we still have better striking options than spuds, Chelsea or Liverpool. Only united and citeh have stockpiled a lot of quality strikers. If there were so many good strikers available then why did the likes of spuds, Chelsea or Liverpool not sign them as well?
bowiecokemirror
we do not have to "buy better squads than City and the Chavs". had we shown some ambition in the last 2-3 years and paid rvp the market rate for his quality, he would have signed. keeping song would not harm the team too. the selling of both players could haunt us yet again that we were just 2-3 players short of winning something - and could achieve that title winning potential by simply not selling
Joe_@**
Give it a rest Amos- I'm sure there were dozens of strikers that we could have got for under £10m. How much was Clint Dempsey, Amos, a hard-working player who fills more than one hole? How much was Berbatov? How much was Kevin Mirallas? The answer to all three is the same- £6m.
elbondo
Yes it could go very wrong but even if it does you can surely understand the logic behind his decision. I think we have a decent squad. We could probably do with another defender, midfielder and striker. If the right player is not available now, I'd prefer us to wait until he does as we are not desperately short in any area. Otherwise we could end up with another Squillachi that we can't offload.
bowiecokemirror
I haven't said I'm concerned about Songs departure I've used his sale with 3 yrs left on his contract to use the argument that in this day and age no player is unavailable, if the money is right and a move to a bigger club is a possibility then everyone is available, we've seen this summer that clubs are powerless to hold on if the player himself agitates. We've seen how easy it is to have our players heads turned believe the smaller the club the easier that becomes to do. There are better players out there just as there was a better assistant manager out there but Arsenal are in a comfort zone which we have been for some years with ready made made excuses of how we can't compete with the oilscum which is a given financially but over time has now led to a lack of hunger and ambition which inevitably transmits itself down to the playing squad. Noone here has ever suggested going head to head with the sugar daddy clubs but there is still a wealth of talent outside of their targets that would undoubtably bolster Arsenal. The contentedness at treading water waiting for the glorious salvation of the FFP reckoning. A loss in one transfer window does not mean an overall loss of annual profit but it may make the difference between a squad better equipped to not drop points throughout the season and not 20 points off the pace at the seasons' end. Anyhows I'm very happy with the result today and I'm far from having a whinge at the clubs inactivity after balancing the books as required as I always knew pod and Ollie were Judas Van ****ies replacements It just saddens me that what seemed like such a blistering statement of intent at the start of the window morphed into the usual as you were, nice little earner annual cash in.
nikolaijns
Chamakh is such top quality material we can't even loan him out with most of his wages paid. That tells you everything about our plan B, and why he came to us for free.
Wyn Mills
So in order to do better than ManU, City and Chavs all we needed to have done was add Dempsey, Mirallas or Berbatov????? You must be a knockout on football computer games elbondo - and Wenger should be quaking in his boots that such tactical mastery exists on football forums to haunt his poor decision making. Or maybe just shaking with laughter.
Amos.
You asked for examples of competent available and not overly expensive forwards Amos and elbondo provided you with 3. The argument is not will those three players make us better than the mancs and chavs but will they strengthen Arsenal and the answer is a resounding yes. All 3 are infinitely better back ups than the woeful chamakh.
nikolaijns
Amos, thank you for adding layers of meaning to what I said- typical Newspeak as they say in '1984'. Please point out where I said we needed these players to challenge the big money teams? I said we needed a back-up striker, and that's about it, with the only implication being that we could regret not adding one last month. But yeah, you are so smart, you know everything, Wenger is probably quaking in his boots and all that at my suggestions on a public forum, and surely sending you flowers for all your arse-kissing?
elbondo
Counting Gervinho and Walcott as strikers I'm not sure that they are better than what we have Niko but as Berbatov didn't want to play back up at ManU why would he sign for us? Is Dempsey looking for a back up role - or Mirallas? Just because we can afford to buy them it doesn't mean we can buy them and if Wenger has his eyes on something else in the next transfer window or the one after that why would he clutter up the squad with bit part players on 4 years contracts? If he could have had any of them on a 1 year loan, if he really rated them as much as you seem to, maybe he would have done so but I don't think that was an option.
Amos.
bowie, I'm one of those who don't understand the logic at all. If RVP didn't want to play for the club why the hell did AW take him to Germany pre-season? Rumour is he was open to changing his mind but Wenger or someone in the board had already made up theirs. Fair enough. But why sell him to your sodding rivals? A hot striker who is absolutely at the top of his game!? What other team with serious title ambitions would do that? Unruly haste to offload our best players and yet bumbling incompetence when it comes to getting shot of deadwood. Unbelievable. Anyway, its water under the bridge now. I'm just fecking delighted we won today!
Wyn Mills
Now you're just wriggling elbondo. So we don't need these players in order to challenge the big money teams but we just need them because they're not Gervinho, Walcott or Chamakh???? I'm not kissing Wenger's arse - he doesn't even know I exist - he probably doesn't know you exist either so he's missing out on the entertainment which admittedly he might possibly prefer.
Amos.
I'm sure I'm a lot more fun over a pint than you are Amos :) You are probably one of those stodgy old farts who takes an electronic tip calculator to a kids birthday party at a restaurant.
elbondo
I've seen your video elbondo - I know what a stodgy old fart looks like - too late for you to play the young, wacky, fun loving extrovert now :)
Amos.
If you clasify Gervinho and Theo as strikers then yes that puts a different complexion on it, but neither have ever been have they? and despite Walcotts protests that it's his position I'm not sure he ever will be deployed there as he will be next to useless at the sheer amount of holding up play that strikers in this league have to excel at. I see them as wingers, we can debate all day on their proficiency at that but strikers? I don't see it. I agree that all 3 of the players elbondo mentioned wouldn't sign if they thought they would be unused backup with only a bit of cup action but really noone can say in certainty that would be the case, when asked of this and taking into account the departure of the dutch****, all new players should be told you are fighting for a place in the 1st team, not you are backup. Mirallas moved to Everton for guaranteed playing time over Arsenal and admitted as much but why was he not told a 1st team place will be up for grabs, it's down to you to make it yours, we alternate giving players sub time and everyone a fair crack and the best man wins, if you don't fancy that and don't have the confidence you'll emerge victorious and would rather go for the safe always playing option then thanks but you're obviously not for us. I'm not extolling the virtues of the three examples given but all would be better options than our current back up for Giroud who himself should never be guaranteed a starting position at a club of our size if not doing the business.
nikolaijns
Ouch ha ha got owned a fair bit there elbondo lol :0
nikolaijns
If you didn't laugh at that video Amos, you're in worse shape than I thought! I am flattered by the cyber-stalking though!
elbondo
Hardly Niko, it just proves that Amos has NO sense of humour.
elbondo
Oh and Liverpool, last year the 2-0 reverse at ours contributed to what would be our worst start for a century, glad we could help you on your way to yours ;)
nikolaijns
The important thing is that Walcott and Gervinho are listed as strikers in the Arsenal official squad. Dempsey had a good season last year but his record prior to that doesn't really mark him out as a notably competent striker. Overall his scoring rate over his career is much the same as Gervinho's and Walcott's. But my point was that simply listing names that Wenger might have bought doesn't mean that they could or should have been bought, or that the naturally more superficial judgement on a football forum should condemn the club's decision making as poor. It might well be they've missed a trick here and there. It would be surprising if they didn't but there's clearly a little more thought that has to go into it when you're making such decisions for real.
Amos.
Hardly stalking elbondo you put it up for all to see - poor decision making on your part really. It was a tad creepy though hard to forget but strange that you see yourself as someone to laugh at rather than with. :)
Amos.
Dempsey aint a striker either really he's an offensive MF. Only time will tell if judgement has been misplaced here (same as last season where no judas would've likely equalled arsegeddon, but we rode our luck and the vanilla ice haired traitor defied tradition and stayed fit for the seasons entirety) If our first team stays fit we should have enough in our locker to maintain the holy grail of fourth now that city have permenantly displaced liverpoo and main rivals for the 4th place in newcastle & spurs will have ltd squads stretched by europah pointlessness. If we succumb to what should be by now the anticipated plague of injury concerns then we may well live to regret our reluctance to strengthen. That is the concern of most gooners I'd imagine not lashing cash mindlessly in liverpudlian glee to attempt to buy silverware success.
nikolaijns
Creepy? Wow, you have severe problems Amos. Here's a solution- say the same fecking thing over and over and over and over, maybe the more gullible will start to believe your rubbish. Oh wait, you already do that! Your pedantry, now THAT'S creepy!
elbondo
Was that you being humorous again elbondo? you crazy fella you!
Amos.
Did someone hack Amos's login? He's always been a pompous pseudo-intellectual but this current incarnation is just a self-impressed ass.
smithdj74
Trouble is Niko that squad sizes are limited to 25 'senior' players so cover for each position is limited. I guess there's still space for one or two more but probably not for stop gaps on 4 year contracts. The remarkable thing about the invincible season was that we had very relatively few injuries and could put out our first 11 or something near it pretty regularly. On such twists of fortune, as much as what can and can't be done in the transfer market, success or failure can be determined.
Amos.
Useful contribution smithy! Even a pseudo-intellectual shows some intellect! ;)
Amos.
Can we save the personal insults for any visiting trolls please gents? We can all disagree without lowering to the kind of barking and baying we normally associate with the mentally challenged neighbours :)
nikolaijns
That Sterling kid seems like some player btw. Of all the countless millions the scouse have hotspaffed under king Kunny and their best player today was a lad picked up for 600k.
nikolaijns
In an obvious dig at Fergie, Wenger said he has no intention of managing 'into my 70s' so assuming he retires or moves upstairs at the end of next season (I think that's when his contract is up) I can see the logic of not saddling the next manager with lots of deadwood- any deadwood by the look of things. That said, we're in a spot if we have to rely on Gervinho and Walcott as our strikers at any point in the season, so I'd hardly call buying another striker stopgap, and you do know Amos that a 4 year contract is not mandated by any labour laws although that seems to be your recurring mantra. Surely an older player like Berbatov would get plenty of playing time in the league and the cups with Arsenal and wouldn't demand a 4 year contract. Maybe he wouldn't want to come here due to his respect for the Spuds (ha), but surely there are others in his situation we could have got? Wait a sec, this just in: Berbatov signed a TWO year contract with Fulham. So, good fee, probably high-ish wages, but reliable back-up and his contract ends the same time as Wenger's meaning he's not the next manager's deadwood. Win-win.
elbondo
Touché Niko. My apologies to the forum for getting into a *****ing match.
elbondo
Apparantly Pardew has stated that we made a last day 'enquiry' on both Cabaye and Tiote. I get the feeling that call (probably by some Arsenal work experience kid) was only made as we know how big Pardews gob is and that he'd love to flap that out thereby making it look to our support like we were serious about reinforcements.
nikolaijns
Heh no worries ;) better out than in.
nikolaijns
On an unrelated note, RvP's goals are directly responsible for Man United having six points rather than one. 1) did he expect to be carrying them on his shoulders- I thought he was tired of that, and 2) how long before the English media start calling them a one-man-team? What's that you say, no and never?
elbondo
He was actually asked that post match elbondo and looked sheepish, which made a change from looking horseish for him I s'pose .
nikolaijns
If f.:-;k all was available then we would sign f;/(:k all . Internet slows the transfer market down so we should be here talking about ripping Scousers apart than keeping van persie, signing billy big knob and tapping up tommy jizz tits
ThatSumsItAllUp
If Berbatov wouldn't accept the role at ManU why would he accept it at Arsenal. Similarly if Fergie doesn't rate him why would Wenger? A four year player contract isn't as flexible as a standard employment contract Niko. It's more akin to a service contract such as those issued for the military. The bottom line is that if the club signs such an agreement it must legislate for the liability incurred. There are many reasons why they don't go full term but the liability is definitely there until it's discharged. But coming back on point and based on the case made so far, the present acceptance by the club that there was nothing available that would add any genuine quality to our current strike force options isn't really such a difficult decision one to understand.
Amos.
On a separate note I couldn't count the number of times I've seen RvP go down inside and outside the box in exactly the same way he did in the Southampton game without winning a penalty or free kick when wearing an Arsenal shirt.
Amos.
Noones really mentioning just how anonymous Sahin was today, game completely passed him by, hands up who got worked up by missing out on him? ;)
nikolaijns
He is much better in an attacking side where he has got good attacking players to help him out which is what he had at Dortmund which is why he shone there. Linking up with the likes of Santi, Poldi, Ox and Art may have brought out the best in him. Ergo I think he would have been a lot more effective had he joined us so it is a shame it didn't happen, but whatever ***** happens.
Ned Stark
Stop taunting the supporters Niko - the concerns are genuine! ;)
Amos.
Great, Hansens on MOTD2 *rubs hands with glee*
nikolaijns
Great win today, I was impressed by a lot of Arsenal players, from the defence (Jenkinson in particular), and the mid field trio all had very good games. The aim for Diaby this season is to keep fit - we know he can play well, but can he last the season? The defence looked a bit shaky early on, but I'm really pleased about the clean sheet. Something about Giroud's body language is not right - he is doing well, in my opinion, although his finishing let him down again. His link up play is good, he is a physical presence, but he needs a goal soon.
prits
Arteta was bloody fantastic too. The man just does not give the ball away.
Will-i-am10
Can we stop talking about RVP? What matters is not what he does at Utd, he could even score 4 in a game. That doesn't change the result of our game. What matters is we win.
Gunnerfan1987
I am looking to see the media go on about how Arsenal are the only top team still to concede as they were quick to show we "can't score without ....". And indeed United are now a One man team.
Naijagunner
...nice banter all through, by the way, even when it went a bit overboard. I know all Gooners are happy for this win and hopefully, it is the beginning of many more. Hey! We could go on to a ten game clean sheet. Okay; that is asking too much...or, is it?
Naijagunner
Listening to the tv commentary, and even the post-match analysis, I was sure i was just being a homer because apparently Liverpool dominated the game. But of course I have my own mind and know what I saw, and what I saw was a brilliant game plan that played to the strength of the squad. And lack of a plan B beyond pass pass pass and walk it into the net? (a media stereotype, not my own observation). We passed the ball around alot (A), but also played a lot of long balls (B), and Diaby (twice I think) and Vermaelen bypassed the long ball to the same effect with 50-60 yard runs that totally perplexed the hapless Scousers (C). A few things stuck out for me. The understanding between Cazorla and Podolski in three games looks like an understanding between players that have been together for years. Giroud has not scored yet, but he is better with back to goal than Chamakh or Bendtner, and goes for more aerial balls than those two and RvP combined, and will come good. What for years has impressed me about Podloski was less his scoring than his work effort, and his willingness to track back has lead to Gibbs being more confident going forward, and subsequently less panic when he is forward. Podolski is the perfect player for Arsene's new vision. After some terrible passes giving away possession in the first 15 minutes when Liverpool were on top, Jenkinson settled down and pretty much stifled Sterling, who at 17 looks a great player. Vermaelen looked immense and the BFG was tidy and effective after a slightly nervy start. The Ox had a decent game, helped out Jenkinson more that being an attacking threat, but he's a good one and his inclusion in the squad over Walcott was justified- I hope Theo got the wake-up call. Vito did okay- he was too timid in dealing with traffic in the area but he kept a clean sheet so no complaints. I just hope when Szczesny is back the defenders play with the same resolve - I've seen it many times when the defenders play extra carefully when they have an unheralded keeper and then get back to their sloppy ways when the number one is back. But I'm sure Steve Bould will make sure that won't happen. And then there's Vassiriki- damn, if today's performance is typical of what he can do when he is healthy, I understand why Wenger never gave up on him. The guy is a beast who can do it all - tackle, dribble, run, pass, shoot. I was never one of those who put Diaby on the 'get rid' list, I thought he had potential but his development was marred by injury. I've seen him score some great goals and dither on the ball a lot, but I have never seen him dominate a match like he did today. 35 more of those please! Even Ramsey was better than usual, probably because he knows he will have to earn his spot in the team. Wilshere back in a month, Rosicky back one of these days, it's a pretty solid squad. Sure, I would like to have seen another striker brought in, but Wenger doesn't get much wrong. Chamakh was pretty good when he first came and was forced to lead the attack due to another RvP injury, maybe he can do it again if put in that position. That said, the current Arsenal first team is pretty exciting, and by the time Sagna is back Jenks will have had enough game time under his belt to be an experienced sub and not somebody whose name we dread to see on team sheet (admit it - most of you would have preferred Coquelin there - me too, but I was wrong and Wenger was right, again). Two weeks until the next one, let's hope nobody gets injured in what are actually meaningful international games. Arteta gets the time off, not sure about Santi, but aside from those two I think Jenkinson and Vito the only players who will not be called up to his respective national team. I like this new look team- will they win the league or Champions League? Probably not this season. Will they win a domestic cup? Looking at the squad available and replacements if there are injuries, I will say yeah, Wenger's Arsenal Mk IV arguably has less talent than Mk III but have bigger balls than Mk III with talented pretty boys like Cesc and Nasri and RvP. Will Arsenal win the league again under Arsene's watch? Unlikely given the oil money factor. Will he finally win the Champions League? Yes, in May 2014 as his last game in charge.
elbondo
Really pleased we could marry our normal passing game with the defensive organisation. If we can continue like that, it bodes well for the season and we may even win the FA Cup. Also thought Gibbs gave another decent performance and he's increasingly looking the part, let's hope his consistency continues. We do need Giroud to start scoring soon though. He should have put that header away in the second half from the corner. All in all a solid performance from all the team, can't ask for more.
Gooner_Vin
Superb away game performance from the Arsenal. Our defensive organisation when not in possession of the ball is the primary difference between the Arsenal of the last few seasons and this Wenger Generation 4 team. The excellent shape that Podolski, Diaby, Arteta and Chamberlain lined up in when not in possession and the controlled pressing that all of them displayed was very impressive. Diaby - take a bow, what a superb performance. The whole team really clicked and the great part is that playing together longer will hopefully lead to even better coordination and performances. Onwards and upwards.
Deltaforce
I'm very pleased with that performance, and everybody did well to a degree. The defence was solid, Mertesacker seemed to struggle with Suarez early on, and Jenkinson with Sterling, but they gradually began to make good tackles and interceptions aided by Vermaelen who was all over the place getting blocks in and tackling hard. Gibbs was better overall than in the last two games but he needs to work on his crossing to Giroud in particular. Mannone wasn't really threatened that much at all until late in the game. As for the midfield, I loved that combination. Diaby dominated the game using all of his attributes to his advantage: his physicality to force his opponents away, his trickery to get out of tight spots, his vision to good effect in setting up Giroud's miss. And he was the only guy who tried to help Giroud out in that last counterattack. Had he scored today, it would have been the complete performance. Of course, Cazorla was great in the AMC role, as was Arteta playing deeper. Podolski was very good and as you say elbondo, he showed a great understanding with Cazorla today. Giroud will score eventually of course, I have faith in him to start scoring consistently after the first goal due to an increase in confidence. AOC wasn't too great offensively today but I did see him a few times on the right wing supporting Jenkinson against Sterling and playing a bit further back than usual. So all in all I'm pleased with that performance. Hopefully we get more from the team, especially Diaby!
NADH-91
To wade in slightly, I think this piece by Julian Harris sums up perfectly what I feel about the end of our transfer window http://gingers4limpar.com/?p=2135. If finding players is really such a horrifically difficult undertaking, perhaps we shouldn't be as generous in letting them go? It certainly shouldn't be beyond the gift of a manager that pockets more than any player of his playing staff to find an available striker better than Chamakh, whom Wenger rates so highly that even after losing van Persie and culling Bendtner and Park, still can't even find a place for him on the bench this season.
Little Dutch
Read that yesterday and it sums up brilliantly something that I couldn't, check out the amount of posts i'd been fumbling around with in the forum on that subject!
shewore
That's nice piece from gingers but it works only on that superficial level of so many supporters in imagining that there's only one roll of the dice and it can all better be accomplished in one window. Was a better back up striker available in this window that didn't mean committing millions for some years that might be better spent on someone that could be available in the winter or next summers transfer window. It probably seemed worth 'pool spending £35m of the Torres money and apparently another £20m in wages and fees over 4 years or so. I imagine they wish they'd pocketed the Torres money and taken a little more time over it now though. It's only in financial bubble that football supporters inhabit that committing to spending £10s of millions or even £10m is something to be taken lightly.
Amos.
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Scotch Eggs Rule
I'm sure Chelsea are too busy polishing the European Cup to worry about how much they've spent on Torres. Amos, we’re not in the 80s anymore. When you have TV income worth billions £35m is not the obscene amount it once seemed (not that I am advocating that's what we should be spending). However Arsenal are in the fortunate position of having the 2nd highest income in the league, which you would think would give the club some leeway to speculate. But we don't even seem to be doing that these days. Something must badly wrong if we can’t afford to at least delay RVP from going to Utd when its in the club’s best interests to do so. What does it say about the ambition of our club that it allows this to happen?
Wyn Mills
My reference to Torres doesn't concern itself with what Chelsea paid it relates to what Liverpool did with the money. To understand what the reality of that 'not obscene' £35m means in real money coupled with the cost of other 'gambles' take a look at the open letter to Liverpool fans from Joe Henry and understand the position they now find themselves in. In the real world that is an enormous amount of money the misuse of which has caused the club serious damage. Even the smaller sums £5m here £3m there are massive amounts in the real world of commerce. As for Arsenal having the 2nd highest income it still has to operate within that income which it cannot disregard just because of the perverse distortion of the Chavs and City. Arsenal's realism in their approach isn't a lack of ambition it is absolutely essential to being able to compete at the level they do currently.
Amos.
 

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