Vital Football

Latest Arsenal FC News

Cowardice and friendly fire

Cowardice and friendly fire

I couldn't help but glimpse at the article on the upcoming NLD in the Metro newspaper that the guy next to me was reading as we travelled home. Sensing my interest he gloomily announced "I'm not looking forward to this game".

"Are you red and white or lilywhite?" I enquired.

"Not effing lilywhite" he said "Are you?"

"No, firmly red and white for many years" I answered. "I'd have had to change seats if you were lilywhite"

"I'd have changed carriages if you were" he laughed

As we swopped gooner credentials he told me that he held a couple of season tickets but had rented them out for the last couple of seasons. "I've barely gone since we lost in the CC final against Birmingham" he explained as he continued "I won't let the tickets go but I find it hard to watch games like this one. It matters too much if we lose. I can`t even watch it on tv. I might stay in touch with a mate by text but I can't watch."

I had to confess that if I wasn't going to a big game like this I'd sometimes avoid watching it, finding it easier to catch up with the result rather than endure the 90 minutes plus of pain if the game didn't go our way. On the other hand, if we'd won, I could still enjoy some of that curious mixture of joy and relief a positive result in such contests brings. I could even convince myself that my not watching had something to do with the result going in our favour. We agreed we were probably not alone in our craven cowardliness.

My fellow gooner was on the opposite side of many of the arguments I find myself on in this and some other forums. He thought we should replace the manager, the board, most of the players, spend all the £100m we have in the bank to guarantee we win something, FA Cup, Carling Cup anything, whatever it takes. We should have stayed at Highbury, the owners are only in it for the money, we need Dein back, let Usmanov buy the club and put a few hundred million in. The arguments were those he and I had probably had with fellow gooners many, many times over the last few years but as we argued we joked and mocked each other's respective views.

There's something about face to face football talk, especially when you're on the same side that is missing when exchanging views via a keyboard. In much the same way you can have the most vociferous arguments with long term mates in a bar after the game (consume enough alcohol of course and we're all mates eventually) there's a kinship that isn't so easy to share in the same way on football forums where little communities of views, as Wenger described them, take hold. There are things that you can't convey easily with the written word that an inflection in your voice, a smile on your face, a glint in the eye or some other sub-conscious body language can. So you can be poles apart in your views but still on the same side. That's much of the joy of going to matches and meeting fellow supporters, even those with diametrically opposing views or supporters from the opposing team, no matter how robust the banter is usually just banter.

The distance and anonymity of the internet somehow makes genuine banter less easy though it does come a little more naturally to some folk like Niko and Iceman. Chances are though that some precious type will take exception to the perceived tone of a comment and overlook or ignore the real point or issue altogether. Assuming they were even interested in it in the first place. They might even take exception to the number of syllables employed. At that point, without having made any other relevant contribution, like insecure teens gossiping together in the girls toilets they'll bitch about those they don't like as though it should be of equal interest to everyone else.

Our exchange ended, inconclusively as such circular arguments often do, as my fellow gooner reached his destination. "Good one" he said as he patted my back and we shook hands neither having persuaded the other of the merits of much of our views.

"Hope we can enjoy this game" I ventured without total confidence.

"Don't let it spoil your weekend" he grinned cheerfully.



Click here to join in the debate on the club forum.

Writer:Amos
Date:Sunday November 18 2012
Time: 10:08AM

Comments

0
Very well put. The guys I go to games with have the total range of views on Arsenal and we sometimes do debate the toss. But emotions never spill over even after heated debate and a few beers. I love what the internet and forums such as this have brought to football, I genuinely think there's so many positives (about 50% of the people I travel away with now I met via twitter). But you're right, the same way in your professional life, a phonecall or a visit to a desk is better than an e mail, there's something more rational and considered face to face and at matches. This article grasps it well too http://arsenalarsenal.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/im-finished-with-supporting-arsenal/
Little Dutch
18/11/2012 11:09:00
0
You're right, Amos. People get offended very easily on forums, but are also more offensive online than if they were talking to another person. I don't know why, but that is certainly the case.
prits
18/11/2012 13:13:00
0
That has to be true prits but it's also true that the same thing on line isn't seen as offensive when said face to face. Unless it's specific abuse directed towards another individual whether offence is taken is a matter of choice.
Amos.
18/11/2012 13:56:00
0
I do struggle to see what exactly this guy gets out of the game, it's like the pain and fear of losing have taken over and overidden any possibility to glean any form of positive emotion from the game, I just find it bizarre. It's like yes I'm married yes I love her, but I can't bear to see her or talk to her anymore just in case she says the wrong thing, i'll text sometime but thats it even though i keep my door keys it brings too much pain to go home. Utterly disfunctional.
nikolaijns
18/11/2012 14:59:00
0
Excellent read Amos.
Deltaforce
18/11/2012 17:15:00
0
Did anyone say banter? ;p
k.chelski
18/11/2012 17:40:00
0
I wouldn't go that far Niko, people deal with the tension in different ways. I don't agree with it though, I still watch every game I can - the uncertainty is part of being a fan, and especially with Arsenal, you really don't know which version will turn up on the day.
prits
18/11/2012 17:52:00
0
Nice read, but blimey o' reilly I was only joking about the syllables! My internet smiley didn't do the job then :-((
shewore
18/11/2012 19:38:00
0
That's a good link LD. Well worth a read.
Amos.
18/11/2012 21:49:00
0
I know they do prits, I just cannot stand to not watch Arsenal, if we're playing I'll go to any length to ensure I can watch the game, live, pub, telly, stream it's irrelevant as long as I can watch it somehow. I could understand if the person had fallen out of love with the game, feck knows theres enough wrong there to put any sane individual off, I personally would rather that than this strange limbo he seems to have put himself in where he still stumps up a couple of grand a year for something he can no longer tolerate being a part of other than to find out the result after the event. I'm no stranger to strange but that's Steve Strange locked up in Strangeways watching Dr Strangelove levels of strangeness.
nikolaijns
19/11/2012 01:05:00
Page 1/1
  1. 1

Login to post a comment

Recent Arsenal Articles

Arsenal's Aubameyang Hope

Reported Arsenal target Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, also linked with the likes of Real Madrid, Manchester City and Manchester United, has hinted he could leave Borussia Dortmund.

Wenger Backs Jenkinson

Speaking ahead of Saturday's five one victory over West Ham United, manager Arsene Wenger backed Carl Jenkinson to soon return to his best.

2016 FIFA Best Men's Player - Final Three

On Friday, FIFA announced the final three shortlist for the 2016 FIFA Best Men's Player award.

Injury Doesn't Complicate Cazorla's Future

Manager Arsene Wenger has confirmed that Santi Cazorla's future isn't thrown into doubt following news of his three month spell on the sidelines through injury.

Archived Vital Arsenal Articles

Vital Arsenal articles from

Site Journalists

Rocky7
Editor email
Profile
ClockEnd124
no email
Profile
Amos
no email
Profile

Current Poll (see more polls)

West Ham MotM
Suggested By: Site Staff
Cech4%
Gabriel4%
Mustafi0%
Koscielny0%
Monreal0%
Coquelin0%
Xhaka0%
Walcott0%
Ozil4%
Oxlade-Chamberlain16%
Sanchez72%
Sub - Ramsey0%
Sub - Elneny0%
Sub - Iwobi0%
ScoopDragon Premier League Network Sites

League Table

# Team P W D L Pts. GD
1 Chelsea 14 11 1 2 34 21
2 Arsenal 14 9 4 1 31 19
3 Liverpool 14 9 3 2 30 17
4 Man City 14 9 3 2 30 15
5 Spurs 14 7 6 1 27 14
6 Man Utd 14 5 6 3 21 3
7 WBA 14 5 5 4 20 3
8 Everton 14 5 5 4 20 1
9 Stoke 14 5 4 5 19 -3
10 AFC Bournemouth 14 5 3 6 18 -3
11 Watford 14 5 3 6 18 -6
12 Southampton 14 4 5 5 17 -2
13 Crystal Palace 14 4 2 8 14 -2
14 Burnley 14 4 2 8 14 -11
15 Leicester City 14 3 4 7 13 -7
16 Middlesbrough 13 2 6 5 12 -3
17 West Ham 14 3 3 8 12 -14
18 Sunderland 14 3 2 9 11 -10
19 Hull City 13 3 2 8 11 -17
20 Swansea 14 2 3 9 9 -15
The Vital Football Members League
Latest F1 News
Latest Vital Boxing News
Vital Football Comment

Recent Arsenal Results (view all)

Arsenal Fixtures (view all)

Dec 10 2016 3:00PM : Stoke City (H)
Barclays Premier League
Dec 13 2016 7:45PM : Everton (a)
Barclays Premier League
Dec 18 2016 4:00PM : Manchester City (a)
Barclays Premier League
Dec 26 2016 3:00PM : West Bromwich Albion (H)
Barclays Premier League
Jan 1 2017 4:00PM : Crystal Palace (H)
Barclays Premier League
Jan 3 2017 7:45PM : AFC Bournemouth (a)
Barclays Premier League
Write for Vital Football