Arsenal - Defending is easier for Wenger
UK time is: 21:17:34
Vital Login
Social Login

Choose your club

Other Sites

Network Navigation

Vital Partners

'If It's Football, It's Vital'

Defending is easier for Wenger

'We always make the same mistakes' is a common enough complaint on Arsenal forums. It doesn't refer exclusively to our propensity for defensive errors but it's in the minds of many I suspect.

After the NLD Arsene claimed that it was easier to coach the team to cut out defensive errors than to get them to score goals.

'I believe it is always easier to correct the defensive side than getting your team to score goals,' he said. 'When you score goals you always have a chance.'

I wondered whether that might be the focus of the supposed 'conflict' between Steve Bould and the manager that Stewart Robson insisted was the case in a recent interview. Defensively we'd started the season well enough, for which improvement Bouldie was credited, but at the same time we were finding goals hard to come by.

It echoed a situation early on in Wenger's tenure when Tony Adams reportedly took issue with Arsene about the degree of defensive cover that the 'famous four' were receiving. Effectively Adams was insisting that the back four were better defenders when the team was playing defensively than in the open expansive style that Wenger favoured. The veteran quartet then went on to record their best defensive record in terms of goals conceded in '98/'99 of 17 goals, one better than under George Graham. In the same season they also recorded their poorest goal tally under Wenger of 59 goals. The following season saw the gradual dismantling of the old guard as Grimandi, Luzhny and Silvinho came in.

There's an obvious trade off between defensive solidity and attacking force. Clearly Wenger's instincts are to sacrifice some of the former if it helps the latter. It's a question of balance and of familiarity. A settled back line playing regularly together, such as we'd enjoyed in the invincible season, is a good part of defensive strength. As Winterburn once told us, the strength in their game was in knowing each other's weaknesses as much, if not more than their individual qualities.

It's a common enough claim that Arsenal don't practise defending but recent seasons have seen us with a good defensive record from set pieces and others where we've done well in not conceding from open play but rarely both in the same season. It's clear that the squad are coached in the defensive arts but what we haven't managed to do is get the level of both disciplines right at the same time. That's possibly as much to do with the consistency that comes from playing together as it is coaching.

Since we last took the title in 2004 the title has been taken scoring as few as 68 goals and as many as 103 while conceding as little as 15 and as many as 37. It doesn't matter too much how many are conceded or scored what matters is how many games are won and as they can only be won by scoring I`d guess Wenger is right to insist we can't defend our way to success.

One measure does seem to support the view that attacking failure is more costly than defensive failure. Since 2004 the number of times we've kept a clean sheet in the league hasn't varied greatly ranging as it does from 12 to 16 in a season. We've twice matched the number of clean sheets we kept in the invincible season (15) and twice bettered it since then. However though we've twice bettered the number of games we've scored in, 36 in our title tilt in 2008 and 35 in 2005 compared to 34 in 2004 we also reached as low as 27 in 2006 and 31 in 2009. On that measure failing to score would appear more costly than the number of clean sheets.

It's also true that as the goals scored over each season has risen steadily and significantly over the last 3 seasons attacking intent appears to dominate current coaching methods. Perhaps reflected by the success that Spain has enjoyed over the last few years. Last month Wenger claimed that there are no defensive midfielders at the moment suggesting the age of the purely defensive type was over. It seems that we're never likely to achieve anything like a comfortable degree of defensive solidity but let's hope then we can cut out a few more errors while scoring plenty at the other end.

Click here to join in the debate on the club forum.

The Journalist

Writer: Amos Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday November 20 2012

Time: 12:02PM

Your Comments (oldest first)

Change to most recent first
Goal difference is always the best indicator. The 98-99 season you mentioned saw United concede 20 more goals than us. But they scored 21 more and won the league by a point. You can draw a significant correlation from that I think. Arse2Mouse described this phenomenon best by referring to it as “whack a mole.” Once we sort one aspect, we immediately get a problem with the other. We haven’t been able to find a working balance for some time. It might be easier to cut out defensive errors, but we don’t seem any closer to doing it even with a new assistant manager, new players, different captains and all the other things popularly suggested.
Little Dutch
Report Abuse
20/11/2012 12:11:00

getting the balance between defending and attack is key to any side. I remember when Spurs had Martin Jol at the club, we were either always rock solid at the back but couldn't score or the other way round. I suppose from a fan perspective, at least scoring and conceding loads is entertaining, if not ideal for the blood pressure
Report Abuse
20/11/2012 13:29:00

Understand what Arsene's saying here, but I don't think a defensive mindset would've been required on Sat for example to concede 2 effin stupid goals, (i.e. I don't think you need to sacrifice the attacking side of the game as he's insinuating/insinuated before) that came through pure lapses in concentration. 5-0 would've been much better, eh ;)
Report Abuse
20/11/2012 14:12:00

An interesting statistic showing the number of clean sheets we keep in a season compared to the number of games we fail to score in, which I've now included in the article, seems to show that our poorest seasons are the ones in which the number of games we fail to score in is highest. In the last season at Highbury when we scraped fourth only on the final day we'd failed to score in 11 games but kept a clean sheet in one game more than we managed in 2004.
Report Abuse
20/11/2012 16:03:00

In one sense, balance to me seems a myth. As Amos' post suggests its the balance that gets you the result that counts - not some magical 50/50 weighting between attack and defence. This season United are conceding a lot and scoring a lot. West Brom and Everton are both in the score less concede less category. City, with no losses, fewest goals conceded and the best GD are on top by one point. My view is that our tactics leaves us more exposed to counter attacking football because we routinely push 5-6 players forward (Wenger favouring an attacking philosophy), whereas other clubs push 3-4.
Report Abuse
21/11/2012 01:24:00

^re the conter attacks it doesn't help that we don't have a fast team anymore, in fact it's massively slow for Wenger's standards
Report Abuse
21/11/2012 10:14:00

Which is the reason I feel we must retain Walcott. He can be deadly in counter-attacks and fast breaks from dispossessing the opponent in the middle. The Ox is quick but maybe from the quick feet skills type and not from an out & out sprint point of view.

DeadwoodGoon, I can't recall when I last saw Arsenal bomb forward with 5-6 players. These days, the worry is that we are fewer going forward and will usually not have anyone at the end of crosses to the far post. Of course, this can change with 'balance', as the players get to understand one another better.
Report Abuse
21/11/2012 15:46:00

Naija, not sure what you mean by "bomb" but just look at Wilshere's goal v Montepellier and count the shirts. In general, we attack with three forwards, Caz and one or two of an FB and Jack.
Report Abuse
22/11/2012 23:43:00


Have Your Say

Log in...
with your social network     OR     with your Vital account

Recent Arsenal Articles

Infographic - Most Fouled....Sánchez (Wednesday November 25 2015)

Stats: Arsenal v Dinamo Zagreb (Tuesday November 24 2015)

Match Preview Arsenal vs Zagreb (Tuesday November 24 2015)

Archived Arsenal Articles

List All Vital Arsenal Articles
Have your say
Click here to suggest an article
Click here to suggest a poll
ScoopDragon Premier League Network Sites

Vital Members League (view all)

1. Naijagunner 25
2. Galway Gooner 18
3. 0716389009 14
4. Wyn Mills 6
5. Afcdc 4
6. Guyfox 2
7. phreddy 2
8. Nwankwo25 2
9. Pat Rick 1
10. Will-i-am10 1

League Table (view table)

Team P W D L GD Pts
1. Leicester City 13 8 4 1 8 28
2. Man Utd 13 8 3 2 10 27
3. Man City 13 8 2 3 14 26
4. Arsenal 13 8 2 3 12 26
5. Spurs 13 6 6 1 13 24
6. West Ham 13 6 3 4 4 21
7. Everton 13 5 5 3 8 20

Arsenal Fixtures (view all)

Breaking League News

Buzz on the Spot - Juventus v City - The aftermath
» Man City : 26/11/2015 20:45:00
Pellegrini & Toure On Juventus Loss
» Man City : 26/11/2015 20:36:00
Ulloa Talks Manchester United
» Leicester City : 26/11/2015 19:35:01
Davis Extends Fleetwood Spell
» Leicester City : 26/11/2015 19:30:01
Vardy On Practice Making Perfect
» Leicester City : 26/11/2015 19:27:00

Current Site Poll (view all polls)

MOTM vs Dinamo Zagreb
Suggested By:  
Cech 6%
Bellerin 0%
Kos 0%
BFG 0%
Monreal 3%
Flamini 0%
Cazorla 0%
Campbell 3%
Ozil 59%
Sanchez 29%
Giroud 0%
Debuchy 0%
Rambo 0%
Chambers 0%