UK time is: 07:48:45
Vital Login
Social Login

Choose your club

Other Sites

Network Navigation

Vital Partners

'If It's Football, It's Vital'

Defender Says Deal Is NOT Done, But Talks Ongoing

Newcastle United defender Mathieu Debuchy has been heavily linked with Arsenal during the World Cup following the departure of Bacary Sagna to Manchester City.

In the last few days reports have emerged saying the deal has been done, however the Frenchman claims that isn`t true. He did however confirm that talks are taking place.

'It wasn't me who posted it on Instagram. Everyone is saying that, but nothing has been done. For the moment, we are discussing it. Arsenal are a great club. We'll see what happens,' he said.



Join The Vital Debate




Use your social login to comment on front page articles. Login using you Facebook, Twitter, Google or LinkedIn accounts and have your say!



Click here to join in the debate on the club forum.

The Journalist

Writer: Rocky7 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday July 6 2014

Time: 12:59PM

Your Comments

The best deals are those that only become known when they're done. When the news 'breaks' early as in this case it suggests either the players agent or the selling club is trying to up their earnings out of the deal. In such situations it's tempting to just walk away and leave them to it.
Amos.
With Wenger, I would amend that to read 'the best deals are those that actually get done'. I'd be happy with Debuchy, and if this is just a ploy by him/his agent/Newcastle to get more money, fair enough, that's the way the system works, whether one likes it or not.
elbondo
His record suggests that he does do the best deals. The system works both ways. If the player, his agent or Newcastle are too greedy then leave them with nothing. In order to do the 'best deal' you have to be prepared to walk away.
Amos.
It is often the case that the side eager to 'signal' to the outside world the state of an ongoing negotiation usually has a relatively weaker bargaining position to start with. In Debuchy's case (perhaps same as Fabregas') AFC is in a far better situation. To add to that, the club in the past has demonstrated convictions in its own valuations. And that is how it should be, given our business model.
NYArse
Quite right, we are in a strong position on the Debuchy deal; he wants out, he is French and has kept out the guy he would be replacing and we do have an eager option in Serge Aurier. The Ivorian has kept himself available, waiting to see what the club does. I really do hope we get in most of our preferred targets. Liverpool don't look like messing about for next season, which should be of concern.
Naijagunner
*has kept out.....from the French National team, that is-*
Naijagunner
http://metro.co.uk/2014/07/06/arsenal-have-32m-alexis-sanchez-transfer-offer-accepted-by-barcelona-4788690/ - Another possibilty, but we all know how reliable articles like these are. Would definately be happy to see him come in though.
FuiKaka
The transfer market trend increasingly is to agree personal terms with the player first before approaching the club. It seems that personal terms with Debuchy are already agreed and a fee with Newcastle is to be negotiated. Unless PSG or Monaco step in, it seems like a deal likely to happen.
Deltaforce
Under FIFA rules it isn't possible to agree terms with the player before approaching his club. You'd need the written permission of the club before you could speak to his agent or the player if he's still under contract.
Amos.
According to a friend of the family who is a football agent, the buying club establishes in principle with the selling club that the player is for sale, perhaps gets a ballpark figure and then the selling club gives permission to the buyers to talk to the player. Then when terms are agreed with the player, they go back to the selling club and try to agree a fee. Player power...
FunGunner
FIFA say a lot of things. I'd be happy with Debuchy, definitely means we're not weaker in RB than last season. I wouldn't walk away from players that you're clearly keen to bring in Amos if it's been reported to the wider world, bit of a dated approach that, especially given the competitive nature of football transfers, it'd just hurt us more.
shewore
So, ostensibly, the selling clubs permitted us to speak with the players we have reportedly agreed terms with; the rest of the intriguing stories of 'naming their price' or 'turning down offers', etc. are a figment of the imagination of the writers who make up these appearance of subterfuge between clubs. Otherwise, the selling club would seem to be sneaky, at best.
Naijagunner
Whether the club walks away or not is a value judgement but there has always to be a point at which walking away is the better option. If the player is keen on joining the club you would hope that he and his agent would remain discreet about negotiations until they're concluded. It maybe the selling club wants it to become public knowledge as Liverpool seemed intent on doing in the Suarez saga last season but it can be a risky game too. Bolton came a cropper when holding out for 18m for Cahill when we were in for him the summer before they ended up selling him the following winter for less than we had apparently offered. We got BFG instead. Walking away is sometimes a good option. Negotiating from the position that there aren't any options is a pretty weak stance.
Amos.
@Naijagunner - true. you also have to take into account how high up the food chain the journalist's contact is, what narrative the journalist's bosses want to push, and the need to generate interest in a story (hence clicks on a site) by reporting "twists and turns", regardless of whether there are any or not!

I've really enjoyed this World Cup, rooting for Germany to win now, but I can't wait for the Emirates Cup now. Half the squad will still be on holiday, as will any new signings, but I love that competition because it means footie is BACK, baby.

FunGunner
I like Debuchy and would be happy with him, but I'd prefer Serge Aurier, who is 6 years younger and can also play as a right-sided central defender, meaning we could rotate him with BFG when playing an opponent who plays with speed on the floor rather than crosses and long balls - sort of like Low is doing with Hummels at Germany. Plus, this would get Jenkinson some more games and give BFG the odd rest Give Vermaelen a few more starts in a rotation rather than just when Koscielny is suspended or injured (starts last year in the league - Kos 32, BDG 35, Verm 7) and he'll be sharper and happier. With Gibbs and Monreal on the right, our back four would be set.
elbondo
Of course with Gibbs and Monreal I meant your other right, i.e. left.
elbondo
 

Have Your Say

Log in...
with your social network     OR     with your Vital account

Recent Arsenal Articles

The Transfer Deadline Day Live Blog (Monday September 1 2014)

Transfer Deadline Day Live Blog (Monday September 1 2014)

Arsenal Fail To Cap-italise (Sunday August 31 2014)

Chambers Rewarded For Early Season Form (Thursday August 28 2014)

Arsenal Keep Calm And Carry On (Thursday August 28 2014)

Giroud Has Surgery, Out For 4 Months (Wednesday August 27 2014)

Stats: Arsenal v Besiktas (Wednesday August 27 2014)

Arsenal Draw Southampton In League Cup (Wednesday August 27 2014)

Archived Arsenal Articles

List All Vital Arsenal Articles
Have your say
Click here to suggest an article
Click here to suggest a poll

Vital Members League (view all)

League Results (view all)

Latest Results
Leicester City 1 - 1 Arsenal
Everton 2 - 2 Arsenal
Arsenal 2 - 1 Crystal Palace

League Table (view table)

Team P W D L GD Pts
4. Man City 3 2 0 1 3 6
5. Liverpool 3 2 0 1 2 6
6. Spurs 3 2 0 1 2 6
7. Arsenal 3 1 2 0 1 5
8. Southampton 3 1 1 1 1 4
9. Hull City 3 1 1 1 0 4
10. Stoke 3 1 1 1 0 4

Breaking League News

Hernandez Gets His Dream Move
Man Utd : 02/09/2014 07:40:00
So How Was It For You?
Man Utd : 02/09/2014 07:34:00
That Falcao Deal?
Man Utd : 02/09/2014 07:33:00
Merlin`s Puzzled!
Chelsea : 02/09/2014 07:20:00
Trio Depart on Loan!
Chelsea : 02/09/2014 07:16:00

Current Site Poll (view all polls)

Which players will we bring in before the transfer window closes on Sept 1st?
Suggested By:  
Defender 16%
Midfielder 3%
Forward 24%
More than one of these 45%
None 12%