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Mourinho's New Material Is Rubbish

It`s no secret that I don`t like Jose Mourinho, and if I had to bet, I`d guess that most of you don`t like him very much either. Over the years his actions and comments have been more than sufficient to annoy most football fans across the country (unless you`re a Chelsea fan of course), however it seems as though he`s been at this game a bit to long because his material is getting a little old.

In the past we`ve been treated to gems such as "Arsene is a voyeur", "Wenger is a specialist in failure" and the ever so slightly sarcastic "In the last nine years, Arsenal won an FA Cup. That is nice for them.' as the Chelsea manager attempted to engage in "Top bantz".

Well the season hasn`t even begun yet and he`s at it again, however this time his efforts are a little bit on the pathetic side.

Over the summer Barcelona gave Cesc Fabregas permission to leave the club, and with it public knowledge that Arsenal had first refusal on the player as part of the deal that took him to Barcelona in the first place, most believed Cesc would return to his spiritual home.

He didn`t.

Instead Arsene Wenger chose not to take up the option having being blessed with an abundance of riches in that department.

Fabregas himself admitted after signing for Chelsea that he spoke to Arsene Wenger as part of that "option" but Wenger replied there was no space for the Spaniard.

"'We spoke to Wenger and he said that the space was very well filled by Mesut Ozil and it was hard to find a place for both of us in the team."

But despite those comments, yesterday Mourinho took a weird kind of swipe at the Gunners suggesting that he somehow, in some weird way, got one-up on Arsene again by signing Fabregas by claiming we would have just been an "interference" and that Fabregas never wanted to play for us anyway (then why did he speak to us?).

He said How did I persuade him [Cesc]? I spoke to him for about 20 minute,'

'I think he really wanted to come. Arsenal had an option where they could interfere, but I don't' think he was open to that. He was in our direction so it was easy for me.'


That`s akin to bragging to your friend that your new supermodel girlfriend chose you over him.

"Haha, she chose me dude, I`m the better man."

"But I never asked her out."

"That doesn`t matter, she chose me! She chose me!!!! It only took me 20 minutes to get her to go out with me"

"Yeah, 20 minutes after she`d been touching my todger in public."

It`s all very very sad from the Chelsea manager and I hope he gets to work on his epic banter in pre-season over the next few weeks.










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Writer: Rocky7 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday July 20 2014

Time: 9:08AM

Your Comments

Cue the trolling 5-4-3-2-1.............
Chippy Brady
it's all rhetorical, and in the real world counts for nothing, and i for one would never take such comments personally especially when we already know the facts...
Seán Ludlow
I never take anything that buffoon says seriously.
Rocky7
I didn't realise people still paid Mourinho any attention, I thought his tired clichés had fallen into insignificance. Anyway, the whole footballing world knows how this will pan out, Wenger will do what he always does and put Mourinho firmly back in his pocket (off the pitch speaking that is) with a classy comment that doesn't fall to the pathetic levels Mourinho's does with sly, underhand digs or jibes.
TheFamousNo7
What's wrong with saying the truth (as Jose did)?
BOTUM
The only ones that are being petty about this whole issue are Arsenal. If Wenger didn`t want him, then so be it. But once one of Arsenal`s favourite sons decides to sign for Chelsea, Arsenal immediately rip down all visual images of him around the Emirates. Why did they not take them down once the player signed for Barcelona almost 3 years ago ? Strange that, really classy, it seems that Arsenal and its supporters have eradicated the player from their history. Didn`t George Graham arrive at Arsenal from Chelsea and then later as a manager win you title after title ? Well the very same player is still always invited to Chelsea re unions and respected as being a part in Chelsea Football Clubs history.
Blueheart9
Everyone knows that Paul Merson is and always has been a massive Chelsea supporter, but he never ever played for the Blues, he represented Arsenal for years, simply because his beloved team had no chance of success at the time. Obviously Cesc Fabrigas feels exactly the same.
Blueheart9
The banners around the ground were a relatively recent introduction and the removal of Cesc was probably as much to preserve the dignity of both the club and the player. Like all clubs Arsenal has its share of idiot supporters who might well have seen it as fun to have defaced the banner. On that basis I think it really was a classy act by the club to remove it. They could easily have pandered to the nutters and left it in place. Arsenal hasn't eradicated Cesc at all. They've said precious little officially if anything at all. It would have been sensible for Mourinho to have done the same thing but sometimes if you give stupid people success it makes them more stupid.
Amos.
There's nothing wrong in saying the truth. The problem was that he was lying,he thought he was trying to upset wenger,but he ended up making himself look like a fool because according to him he wasn't even sure,he said ''i think he wasn't open to that''. So its either he didn't ask cesc about it,he doesn't know know how to read,or he's bored and looking for someone to chat with,but unfortunately wenger isn't concerned about it at all
Cutekay Newton
I'm not sure that Merson ever contacted Chelsea and asked if there was a place for him but Cesc Fabregas, by his own admission, contacted Wenger to ask if he could come back. However, if Cesc was concerned about winning trophies you'd have thought that he would have wanted to stay at Barcelona where he has won plenty. Unless of course they didn't want him either? Chelsea have got a very good player in Cesc. They should be happy with that and allow him to prove anything he feels needs proving on the pitch - hopefully he'll also appreciate the football Chelsea play as much as Hazard apparently does. It'll be a new experience for him.
Amos.
The pressure is on Mourinho to win one of the PL or the league this season to keep himself relevant and the pressure seems to be showing - the Cesc claim is cringe worthy. Even smart Chelsea fans know the truth - if Arsenal had space in the first team for another playmaker - they would have quite easily got Cesc with their first refusal clause. Its debatable if Chelsea even needed Cesc with the number of full internationals they have in midfield and its also debatable if a player of Cesc's qualities would fit into a Mourinho team but then it wouldnt be the first time Mourinho has bought a player just to spite a rival team. Willian and Salah are other recent examples of players Chelsea didnt really require urgently. Mourinho has some good qualities as a football manager but his pettiness, bitterness and caustic tongue often let not just himself but his club down.
Deltaforce
Haha! You goons have to get over it. Cesc is in a better club, better team, better manager, better ambition, better wages etc name it. So please ladies and gentlemen, choose to wake up now or keep on dreaming when you wake up Fab will be lifting the premier league title in his new club.
BOTUM
The content of your post reveals an obvious flaw in the claim about who here is dreaming about something BOTUM. I wonder if you can work out what it is?
Amos.
There are some aspects of the Chelsea support who dote upon every word out of Jose Mourinho, even where it brings their club into ridicule and confirms the man as a petulant being who revels in the odium he manages to spout. How he can attempt to twist the Cesc to Chelsea story any other way than as 2nd available alternative, (having been passed by his preferred club), I cannot even fathom. As Amos said, it would be better for him to just enjoy his transfer work and be happy he has got a good player, for now. The rest is just an attempt to make out like he has got one up on Wenger. Every man and his dog know that is just wishful thinking (except those sheepish Mourinho apologists in the Chelsea fandom, who can't see his antics could damage rather than project their club's image).
Naijagunner
Mourinho being pedantic, well I never. Cesc was always a favourite of mine football wise and personality wise. I bear him no grudge or ill will for choosing Chelsea nor will I boo him when he eventually plays at the Emirates but ive moved on. Chelsea have a good player in Fabregas but as an Arsenal fan I genuinely believe we have something better in Ozil.
Nwankwo25
As TheFamousNo7 rightly observed, Wenger's response was very dismissive and pretty much put him in his place, also trivializing the matter. Mourinho is a man who would be depressed if he doesn't somehow, get attention. Somehow, I am amused at his need to pick on Wenger. It follows that he does feel the (potential) rivalry. That's what his type do; antagonize any perceived threat or try to rubbish the reputation of anyone who is considered above his level, which Wenger is.
Naijagunner
What Jose Mourinho does, is no different to what Fergie was doing for years, the only difference is that Fergie manipulated officials to make decisions for his club. Mind games are part of the modern game, but Wenger is too straight laced to play them. That of course is his own choice, but prior to the Wenger years, Arsenal had George Graham who brought success, which was instrumental in producing the most boring, negative brand of football ever witnessed in this country, with a team that continually played the offside trap and passed back to their own goalkeeper from the 1st minute onwards. At the time he was an Arsenal hero and fans hung on to every word that he said. The point being, is that we all follow our clubs throughout the many personel changes that occur over the years and we try to view them in the most positive way possible. If Arsenal fans sincerely think that Jose`s brand of football is anywhere as bad as the Graham years, I am afraid that you are deluded. Jose plays a functional game, Graham played a boring game. Surely you can see that Jose likes a wind up, it`s a controlling tactic. One day when he is old and grey he will no doubt write a book about everyone getting their knickers in a twist over nothing.
Blueheart9
ps: whatever it takes to win a game of football, justifies the means. Just ask George Graham.
Blueheart9
Blueheart9, firstly, no Arsenal fans here brought up the tenure of George Graham, you did so. No one compared GG's football to Mourinho's football, again thats something you brought up. For whatever it is worth, GG played tactical and other games to nullify opposition teams only on the pitch, not off it as Mourinho continually attempts to do. JM's mind games used to be better earlier,his pronouncements of late - calling oil rich Chelsea which has spent over 1.5 billion pounds over the last decade "a little horse" in the title race, was less a mind game and more a joke! Saying Chelsea had "no chance at all" of winning the title last season when at one point, they were 7 points clear of second place turned out to be an accurate but unfortunate (for Chelsea fans) prediction. I also disagree with you about all of Jose Mourinho's actions being harmless. If he has any self awareness when he writes this imaginary autobiography you speak of, he will also acknowledge that his statements forced a referee to quit the game after death threats, that he attempted to gouge the eye of a fellow manager when the latter had his back turned to him, that he has violated UEFA bans by smuggling himself into his team's dressing room unnoticed and made countless other classless statements in his managerial career. While I understand that his actions are his choice, they are not the only way to win a football game - with the endless resources that he has had at the clubs that he has managed bar Porto, he shouldnt require the aid of the 'dark arts' quite so often. It makes him seem like ye another cheque book manager and not anything special to many rival fans.
Deltaforce
Bit of a voyeur these days isn't he? The thing you have to remember about Jose Mourinho is that he wept openly like a 5 year old girl when the utd gig got offered to Moyes. That there says everything about this brat. He'll open his graceless hole and inform the world about how someone having a cheeky snout is no example to set to children but then will sneak up from behind on a man with cancer, gouge him in the eye then run away like the snivelling coward he is, that's Jose Mourinho. A man so deeply unpleasant he not so subtly implied violence upon a ballboy. Threatening a child ffs! that is the level on which he operates. Just a pathetic no class big mouth braggard that plays stupeyingly dull percentage football.
nikolaijns
And Niko is back with a bang :)
Rocky7
Ka-Booom!! I agree, Rocky!
Naijagunner
Ha! Excellently put!
Nwankwo25
Laughing out loud, welcome back Niko.
Deltaforce
Ha ha Niko! willkommen zurück!.
Chippy Brady
I've just sobered up after May. When does the world cup start? Come on England!!
nikolaijns
Hello all btw ;) final thoughts on this (as it's really not worth any of us expending much effort on this ubertroll) are Fabregas has only done what Mourinho himself has done which is to settle for second best which is what has seems to have reminded & annoyed Mourinho no end. Fabregas settled for Chelsea once we were not interested and Mourinho settled for Chelsea once he was hilariously rebuffed at what he saw as his true calling at Old Trafford. His seething at that slap in the face has informed his grumpy bitter demeanour all last season. He looks every inch the man spurned, its eating him alive hence why he now looks and no doubt smells like a right proper tramp.
nikolaijns
Mourinho living under a bridge, that's nice!
Nwankwo25
Can't help laughing out loud. Well said Niko! I'd rather expend energy watching pre season games that fretting over Mou's speeches. Rather childish Jose. The world knows the truth that you are 2nd best to Cesc. He will always hold Arsenal so dear. So have your time with him and just have fun with it. 20 mins? What a shame. Arsene would have needed just 2 to sign him up! Come on guys, we all know this fella is a joke of a manager, only in love with himself. Let's enjoy the pre-season, its a lot more fun than Jose. Lmao.
Guyfox
The Pokey One - I think JM has mental problems. http://www.phnompenhpost.com/sport/mourinho-mad-machiavellian-or-just-playing-mind-games
phreddy
I am still surprised that J Mourinho is allowed to manage in England despite not answering to the two heavy loads on his back. One is the eye gouging and the other his leading part in the Anders Frisk debacle. If it had bee anyone else the Brit Press would have been all over his back in such way he would never have come back...............................
phreddy
Heye hye.. see who's back.. Welcome back nik!!!!
Sajit
Great link and great read thanks Phreddy.
Chippy Brady
...phreddy, mental problems? You mean like Suarez's biting problem?
Naijagunner
@Deltaforce I don`t totally disagree with you, there is no doubt that Jose has overstepped the mark in the past and not all Chelsea fans support everything he does all the time. The point I make, is that we as football supporters follow our clubs regardless of who represents us both on and off the pitch, hence the reference to George Graham. So I find it ironic that Arsenal fans take the high moral ground, that they are the only club that play football and Cesc Fabregas is going to be in for a culture shock. Last season Jose inherited a team, it wasn`t his team and in my opinion he can only be judged this coming season. As for Chelsea spending 1.5 billion over the last 10 years in building a club, we have 10 trophies in our cabinet as a return and from what I can understand that is exactly what Arsenal fans want. Abranovich takes no money whatsoever out of his club, unlike every other owner. FFP is now upon us and you will notice that CFC will continue to invest in players to stay at the top, so what will be other teams complaints then, when all funds are generated from within ? The overall investment Abranovich has made, has built the foundations of the club to compete within FFP As for the Frisk issue, CFC made a legitimate complaint to UEFA about contact at half time between Barcelona players and Frisk, which was outside UEFA regulations. Which at a later date UEFA confirmed had occurred. Jose was not responsible for death threats towards the ref.
Blueheart9
Barcelona play football too but it isn't gooners claiming that Chelsea don't Blueheart it's your own players - specifically Eden Hazard. I'm not sure that Juan Mata was all that impressed either. Whether Cesc adapts a little better we shall find out. Abramovich doesn't take money out of the club but he hasn't written anything off yet as the Chelsea businesses currently owe his private company Fordstam Ltd some £900m.
Amos.
@Amos, Eden Hazard has come from an average league in France and he is still learning, unfortunately whether you accept it or not, modern day football requires players like Mata and Hazard to defend when required (the difference between Bayern Munich and Barcelona). I don`t wish to use this forum to compare clubs, but Jose Mourinho`s philosophy is that you will not win titles if players are not prepared to track back, Wengers philosophy is different. As for Fordstam Ltd, that is registered as a holding company only, Chelsea Football Club does not owe them one penny, let alone £900m, I`m afraid that you have been mis informed. the total investment that has been made into CFC has been transferred into shares by Roman Abranovich, which means if he ever sells the club he would be re imbursed. CFC is debt free.
Blueheart9
Mourinho's philosophy according to Diego Torres includes the idea that you'll make fewer mistakes if you don't have the ball. And Hazard isn't alone Ronaldo was pretty dismissive of Mourinho's tactics too. According to Fordstam's last filed accounts that money is still owed by them to Abramovich and secured aginst the Chelsea businesses. I think you'll find only a relatively small part has been converted to equity but if it has changed it has only changed very recently.
Amos.
@Amos, I was brought up on Osgood, Hudson and Charlie Cooke in the 70s, fantastic players in their day, but like many flair players of the day, they just used to put their hands on their hips when they lost possesion. Those days have gone unfortunately and I am very happy to chat football along with fans of other clubs without getting into a slagging match, but Jose`s football requires all players working and playing as a team, which has proved to be a winning formula, Wenger tries to play possesion football, but it continually comes unstuck. Hazard is not Ronaldo and if he does not perform as a team player he will be gone. Ronaldo just thinks he is bigger than any team that he plays for and personally I would hate that in my team, give me Messi any day. CFC have no debt, it is all transferred into shares, which enables the club to operate fairly within FFP.
Blueheart9
Mourinho plays as the Wimbledon of the 80s with a few hundred million to spend on the team. He's fortunate, or very clever if you like, in managing his career to be in charge of teams with the resources that should always guarantee they win something. Most managers under Abramovich have been successful - even Grant got to a CL final. Put Pulis in charge of Chelsea and you'd get much the same style of football and success as Mourinho will bring you. The key component is Abramovich's money. Much the same can be said of Citeh and Mansour's millions but at least Pelligrini played open attractive football that was worth watching. CFC have no debt only because it has been transferred to the holding company. In theory at least Abramovich could demand it be repaid within 18 months. Without Abramovich continuing to bankroll you you would be bust.
Amos.
@ Time to say goodbye Amos, I thought that we were have a serious football chat. Jealousy is obviously the core of your argument. Just for the record, over the last 30 years, Wimbledon and Stoke City have dished up the most direct crap football, but make no mistake George Graham`s Arsenal was the most boring, ask anyone over 40. Your board bleed your club dry of finances and if Roman left tomorrow we would still be within the top 6 earners in world football within FFP regulations. Keep dreaming of the 6-0 drubbing and wonder where your attacking midfielders were and where all the money is going every year.
Blueheart9
The jealousy seems all in your post Blueheart. The Arsenal board don't take any thing out of the club other than salaries. They have never paid a dividend. All that we spend is only what the club earns. If Roman left tomorrow and demanded his loan back from Fordstam you'd be in the football club knacker's yard. The success you have is entirely dependent on Abramovich continuing to bale you out and meeting FFP regulations is only possible while Abramovich writes off your losses. You don't have the resources to do so yourself. As for George Graham he left us 20 years ago but Mourinho is still playing the same game.
Amos.
Well lets hope we win one cup in the next 9 years then ! !
Blueheart9
You only need worry whether Abramovich will buy you another one.
Amos.
Interesting salient points gents but I fear we're straying from the path somewhat. Which is that this summer, Jose Mourinho has on 3 occasions now carped on like a spoiled geriatric manchild about Arsenal. Several unhinged uncalled for outbursts leave him looking like a very bitter little man and his hypocrisy on overdrive has led him to look at us from his bedroom window having apparently invested in a high powered telescope. The Portugese for voyeur is voyeur. I think the guy is clinically depressed to be honest. I think having left Italy and consequently Spain having been universally pretty roundly hated came as a bit of a shock after the relentless circle jerk shown him from the English media. I have a feeling we're going to see the wheels come off Mourinho this season, I think the pressure is really getting to him. Looks like he badly needed a Guardiolaesque gap year after Madrid.
nikolaijns
My sentiments exactly, Niko. Mourinho was also badly bruised when he was overlooked for the ManU manager's job and, with his tail between his legs, he had to go back to his vomit accepting the Chelsea gig. It will give me a kick if he went a 3rd year potless, despite working with clubs/owners with huge resources. That will have him scampering for a two year hiatus.
Naijagunner
Good that you bring us back on point Niko. 2 or 3 years is usually as much as The Special Needs One lasts anywhere before the team he inherits begins to fall apart and/or most at the club can't stand him any longer.
Amos.
Keep convincing yourselves that tippy tappy football along with mentally weak players with no end product, will actually win you the league, or even the Champions league. Hahaha no chance with that one, with Basil Fawlty as your manager, who has never managed to beat a Jose team in any competitive game ever. Dream on . . Deluded springs to mind.
Blueheart9
Can't drag yourself away Blueheart? Mourinho's voyeurism must be contagious! I thought it was only the Spuds that called the odds before the season had kicked off. Seems like some of Roman's benefit junkies are becoming equally anxious to get their boasting done before the season starts. Didn't Roman sack Mourinho for being boring a few seasons back? I wonder how long his patience will hold out this time?
Amos.
Have to agree with Amos... JM isnt one to change his spots. He will revert to type... if he tries to get adventurous he will need lots more time. this year will be intriguing... last year we had something like "we are a little horse that needs to stop for water" I'm hoping Diego Costa does a Torres so we can hear some other crap... maybe "we are a bigger horse now but the trouble is the other ones are genetically modified and they are bigger still... and anyway we need to stop to have a poo sometimes"
Andy-T
After a long line of successful, expensive strikers joining Chelsea - Shevchenko, Mutu, Torres - Diego Costa is the one I'm least jealous of, by a distance. I've never seen the guy have a good game; he looked awful at the world cup.
damiano_tommassi
Welcome back, Niko, your wit has been missed! If nothing else, this season will be interesting to see Abramovich's reaction should Chavski not win anything playing Mourinho's unsightly brand of football. No more little horse claims this year after their spending splurge.
Gooner_Vin
It doesn`t matter, If Jose goes he goes, no manager is forever, unless you want stick with someone for a decade, go stale and win nothing of course.
Blueheart9
As long as Roman is writing the cheques managers can come and go Blueheart. It doesn't matter all that much who they are. When he stops and you'll have to find a manager who'll work within the revenues you can make profitably then you'll find it'll matter far more.
Amos.
I think in all honesty as much as Abramovich got sick of the turgid, negative, scoop your eyes out with a rusty spoon dross that the special once used to serve up and that was a big part of him given the Moscow marching orders equally it was the fact that Moroniho just would not shut up. He was so in love with himself and his own voice, all over the media and making everything about himself and I think the Oligangster just reached the point where the special onces' smugness and arrogance became intolerable. If you think Portrait Rodgers is bad I imagine Jose has a whole room dedicated to paintings of himself, most of them nude, probably half of them has him standing in a suit of armour over a prone vanquished lifeless Wenger, sword in one hand Wengers' head in the other.
nikolaijns
Sup vin lad btw! :)
nikolaijns
- used to, + still does.
nikolaijns
niko - all good, bud! Becoming a first-time dad on August 9th so won't be going to the games until who knows when. Guess one good thing about watching the action slightly removed is that weekends will feel less ruined when we lose!
Gooner_Vin
The reality is, all top teams spend massive amounts of money on players, except Arsenal hence the cobwebs in the trophy room.
Blueheart9
The only teams in the PL who spend more than us on player budgets (transfers + wages) over the last 5/10 years are City, Chavs and ManU. Of the four of us only Arsenal and ManU aren't dependent on benefit hand outs and spend from their own resources. Hence the introduction of FFP.
Amos.
Congrats vin!
nikolaijns
u ppl gonna lose so bad this time around if u dont get a proper dm .. n u can say all that rubbish about we dont spash money after u finish foruth again ... just hoping if arteta gets injured u will lose 5-0 6-0 to top teams again this season ... khedeira should not join u guys whatever happens ... one ood idea is for wenger to buy one player each season spending 50 mil like last season was ozil this time alexis ohh wait for next season for the other name ur team will be complete in few seasons for sure ... u guys should just accept the fact footballs a business win n stay at top or lose n get relegated to the lower half of the ones were good now not so good ....
gary777
Arsenal is one club that accepts football is a business and is run on very sound business principles. It's not accepting that it's a billionaires poker game that's at issue. It seems that football itself is slowly beginning to accept that it shouldn't be a poker game either.
Amos.
Totally agree, football should not be a poker game, but there is nothing wrong in investing in a club that has massive potential, so that it can compete at the top table, like any business that only needs investment. The majority of the transfer money invested, actually goes back into other clubs pockets, so wealthy owners are putting money into the game, not taking it out. FFP is actually a restriction of trade and holds back clubs like Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest, Derby and Ipswich from ever reaching the summit of English football ever again. It will also ensure that the top clubs stay at the top and as a consequence the game will go stale. Just as it was prior to Abranovich taking over at Chelsea, which actually helped break up the duopoly between Manchester United and Arsenal, the whole thing had become boring and was heading towards what had developed by Rangers/Cetic in Scotland. I understand that clubs like Arsenal and Liverpool don`t agree, because they have been knocked off their perch, but for the good of the game it is far better that 6 clubs compete for honours as opposed to only 2, which is the case in every other European league, hence the popularity and marketing capabilities of the premier league, 10 years ago that was not possible when only 2 clubs at the top had it all their own way.
Blueheart9
It's more than just questionable whether much of the transfer money stays in the game. Agent's fees, signing on fees, higher wages, taxation et cetera all take a significant lump out of the game. Plus the inflationary pull of money that is spent beyond that earned just inflates the price the receiving club has to pay to replace the player sold. FFP is not a restriction of trade it's an anti-trust rule or anti-competitive restriction. If someone decided they wanted to be the biggest luxury car dealer in the country and set about it by selling luxury cars 40% below what it cost to produce them they would quickly achieve a huge turnover probably become the car dealer of the year and dominate the market entirely, all while making huge losses which could only be sustained for as long as some billionaire would underwrite them. In the real world of business though it wouldn't be allowed as laws against such anti-competitive practices and predatory pricing prohibits such actions. There's nothing in FFP that prevents anyone putting unlimited amounts into their football academies, providing the very best facilities, recruiting top youth coaches and attracting and nurturing talent that they can develop into a top club side that would challenge whoever the top teams of the day might be. The only problem is that's a long term strategy but that is real investment in football and not the bogus speculation of outbidding everyone else for talent others have developed.
Amos.
Amos you are right, but nobody is going to put unlimited funds in to their youth set up, because they will just be taken by bigger richer clubs when they mature. Investors want results, Abranovich wants it on the pitch, other investors want to just take the profits out. FFP will ultimately stifle the game, even now the Champions league qualifiers are the same year on year and they are also stockpiling the best youth players in the game. How do teams like Aston Villa, Leeds and Derby ever get back up to the top ?
Blueheart9
They stand a much better chance of getting back to the top if the big clubs are limited in their spending and in the number of players they have in their squad. Sure the payback on youth is long term but there's no limit to the amount you can put in under FFP. That should secure them long enough to make their mark in the first team and more expensive for those clubs constrained in their spending to hoover up. It's certainly a lot fairer than the abuses that have gone on over the last 10 years though there's more to be done in terms of equalities of distribution in other leagues - particularly Spain.
Amos.
Big teams are already limited to the number of players allowed in their squads.. Those teams mentioned will never get back to the top because FFP doesn`t allow them to. Also no investor in their right mind is going to only put money into them, if there is never a possibility to build the club and get anything back. In 5 years time you will see how restricted it has become. In 10 years time our leagues will almost be dead, except for possibly 6 clubs. Its ok if your one of the 6, but a disaster if you are not. FFP is nothing more than a cartel that protects the bigger clubs and ensures that they mop up all the money. I am a Chelsea fan through and through, but more importantly I am a football fan and it will sadden me to see big clubs, with fantastic histories and fan bases go by the way side and not be able to compete. Everyone is just concerning themselves about themselves and not looking and the long term future of the game.
Blueheart9
Big teams are limited to the same squad numbers as small teams. That means they can't hoover up all the available talent. FFP is a ball and chain for the financially doped teams and will slowly tighten it's grip on the absurd excesses of City and Chelsea. As in the Bundesliga which has had a form of FFP for a while it's possible for the smaller teams like Dortmund and Wolfsburg to have their day in the sun. In a league like the EPL where broadcasting revenues are distributed much more equitably than in La Liga the smaller clubs still have a chance. Sure the strong clubs will still be strong but there are probably at least 6 or such clubs here which without the gross distortions of the last 10 years will find it a much more level playing field. The future of the game is not served well by allowing sovereign states and oligarchs to buy up the game.
Amos.
We beg to differ. In any business, in any walk of life, it should have the opportunity to attract outside investment, if someone sees its potential. FFP has now taken that option away. At this moment Napoli have almost 70 young players out on loan, hoping that one will become a gem and with the others, they will just sell on at a profit. So players don`t have to be in the squads of particular clubs, they just have to be registered with them. The clubs inside the champions league elite are now starting to hoover up all the youngsters in each and every country and around the world, if one player should slip through the net, one of the richer clubs will just pay a higher premium to get him. One of the biggest fundamental changes that has taken over in the last 20 years, is that the home club now keep all of its home club income, which was not always the case, this also benefits the bigger or major city clubs. The lesser clubs can now never catch up or compete. The top 16 clubs in Europe are now almost set in stone for the next 20 years. FFP will ensure that this cartel can not be broken. Dortmund`s players are now being picked off season by season, as will there manager be and that will be the end of that. Just as are Southampton`s players, after just one half decent season in the EPL. Liverpool and Spurs are two perfect examples, both are desperate to be dining at the top table. Last season Spurs paid over 100m to get there and failed, how long can that go on ? Liverpool this season, seem to be paying similar amounts to stay there for more than one season, if they don`t sustain the breakthrough, they will also fall by the way side and slowly not be able to play catch up, because of FFP. As I said, its great if you follow one of the elite, but unfair if you don`t. A stale product is what lays ahead, restricted by FFP regulations.
Blueheart9
As I've tried to point out before what Abramovich and Mansour and the like are doing isn't investing in football it's investing in their own political security. You might as well claim that the money you put on the poker table is investment. FFP doesn't do anything to stop anyone investing unlimited amounts in football. It just stops them doing so making huge losses and paying unrealistic wages and transfer fees. I can certainly see Napoli developing and nurturing 70 young players as a better investment in footballs future than enticing even one player away from another club with money they cannot possible generate themselves. If the clubs inside the CL are investing in academies to develop young players that ultimately will help improve football at the lower levels. Sure the bigger clubs will always attract the best talent - they always have done - but at least they would be doing so on a more level field. The change in retention of matchday revenue isn't that significant when compared to the distribution of broadcasting revenue. Draw a big club at home in a cup and it's like a lottery win for some smaller clubs. The position of Spurs and Liverpool hasn't been made more difficult because of FFP at all. If they're struggling to make a breakthrough it's because they've spent too much money chasing rainbows and desperately seeking managerial messiahs and not enough genuine investment in revenue generating assets that would provide them with the resources to compete. It's tougher to make the sacrifices to do that and requires genuine managerial expertise but it's a more honest and enduring a legacy than hoping to wake up in the morning to find the tooth fairy has visited.
Amos.
Any investment into a new adventure is often required, but nobody can now do the same at clubs like Leeds, Aston Villa or Nottingham Forest, their day has gone and will never return because with FFP has now ensured that. If you supported any of these clubs you would no doubt feel differently, or if Arsenal were still at Highbury and could not compete. No one in their right mind is going to just put millions into a youth scheme at a lesser club, because ultimately they would never be able to retain the players once they matured and the investor might as well throw his money down the drain. Watch what happens over the next 5 years. Randy Learner is a perfect example, he is having a problem even trying to virtually give Aston Villa away, what alternatives have Villa now got to grow, even though they are the biggest team in our 2nd biggest city. If Learner or someone like him was allowed to pump in 300m into the playing staff and youth set up, they would have a chance, fans would come back and they could build a major club on the back of the success commercially as well as on the pitch. This would make a far more competitive league. Villa are founder members of our league, they have won the champions league and have a very rich history as well as a very good ground and fan base, but they will be in the championship very soon, because FFP does not allow any owner to now pull money out of his wallet and invest in them, regardless of their huge potential. The fans aren`t turning up because the whole set up is average, so it doesn`t generate interest for commercial interests and sponsorships. Plus too many young kids are now not following their local clubs, because ultimately what`s the point. To many people just want to keep the existing elite. Most European leagues have 2 or 3 major clubs and the EPL will develop into that similar model soon with 4 and the rest will just become fodder, enhanced by the top clubs loanee players, hence the scramble between Liverpool and Spurs to be part of it, otherwise they will hit the slippery slope and the 4 Juggernaut clubs will get bigger and stronger, how boring. A free market is what we live in, not a communist state.
Blueheart9
You're missing the point. Anyone buying Villa would be able to invest £300m in the club - more if they wanted. FFP doesn;t prevent that. They just couldn't spend it all in one go on transfer fees and wages which is what Abramovich and Mansour have been doing for the last 5/10 years and in that time they've totally neglected any opportunity to develop young talent in their teams buying who they want when they want. The problem Lerner is having is mainly because he went along with Martin O'Neill and spent 84% of their revenues for a few years chasing rainbows and trying to compete with the inflated costs brought about by Abramovich and those like him before he finally hand to put the brakes on as he didn't have the stake money to stay in the game of lunacy football had become. Leeds mortgaged their future income for years chasing the same stupid dream instead of investing sensibly and building for the long term. There is no competition in a billionaires poker game it all comes down to who can afford to lose the most. We don't have a free market now. You've been blinded by your own dependence on hand outs. Nobody can hold onto players when, without any connection to financial reality your best players can be enticed away by someone willing to double or treble the wages that a club relying on its own resources can pay. There's no free market if you can spend £30m on a player one year and then sell him for £5m shortly afterwards and pay half his wages for the period he was contracted to you. I can see that you benefit junkies will only be weaned off your dependence very slowly. You won't do it voluntarily but FFP maybe able to force you into a rehab program.
Amos.
FFP has already been a resounding success for Arsenal, without it we wouldn't have acquired Ozil nor Sanchez. As neither of the big Spanish pair seem to be remotely willing to break their infantile annual cycle of one upmanship marquee signings, we've been ready knowing both clubs have to kow tow and sell one of their old toys before they can buy and we've been there to bring world class signings in. I think FFP has gone a good way to rein in in the wanton lunacy. Anything that makes a business live within organic means as opposed to the Frankenstein GM disgrace that is the chavs and citeh and PSG and Anzi is a good thing for all other clubs and the game in general, shame it took so long in coming.
nikolaijns
Obviously people have a different opinion depending on who they support, only time will tell. Arsenal are a very well run club, nobody doubts that, but they are in a luxurious position in being able to find land to redevelop on in London for a new stadium, (unlike Chelsea) and they can get away with charging very expensive ticket prices, not everyone is in that envious position, especially northern clubs. But the larger public do not want a stale ManU/Arsenal duopoly again. Both Abramovich and Mansour have clearly stated, that the long term view is to invest in youth, as opposed to continually buying top players. I would like you to name a better youth team set up in world football than Chelsea`s. They are U21 champions, U18 champions and youth cup winners in 3 of the last 5 seasons. The problem is, that none of the kids are breaking into the 1st team and that is an obvious problem. We talk about FFP, but how is it fair that Manchester City and West Ham are virtually given brand new grounds, when everyone else is having to fund their own. Most Italian clubs stadia are owned and repaired by their local councils, Spanish clubs are allowed 2nd teams in a lower division and Real Madrid and Barcelona have an unfair advantage to all other clubs in Europe, when they are allowed to negotiate their own TV deals, which omits all the others in Spain. Not to mention both clubs are massively in debt but are not fined by EUFA and Monaco look as if they are going to be exempt from the regulations completely, because its a tax free haven. The whole thing is an uneven playing field and ultimately a joke. History will show you, that Arsenal`s most productive era ever, was when they were know as the Bank of England club. Liverpool were funded for 20 years by Littlewoods pools and the Moores family and no other club could compete with them, did they buy their history. Unfortunately in life, everything comes down to money and in football, no two clubs are the same. I know we disagree Amos, good luck to you and I hope Arsenal have a great season, Sanchez is a fantastic signing, but obviously I hope my boys in blue, are one step ahead of you.
Blueheart9
Your observation that Chelsea has successful youth teams but they're unable to break into the first team is precisely the point Blueheart. While Chelsea can simply buy a ready made player with funds that they cannot possibly generate themselves then they're never going to have the need to risk young players learning on the job. Force them to live in the real world of sustainable revenues and they'll have to blood and persevere with some of those youngsters just as we and other clubs have had to. There are differences in different leagues that need to be rebalanced over time but that doesn't excuse the excesses of Abramovich and Mansour which have been far more damaging to the game. Arsenal's 'Bank of England' era as successful as it was wasn't the club's most productive, that has come far more recently, but the reality is that era was still funded from resources they were able to generate within their own revenues. You'll come to appreciate FFP eventually even if it means you'll have to work harder for your success.
Amos.
Chelsea are now funded from within, that is why they were not in any breach last season of FFP. Without heavy initial investment over the last 10 years, we would not have become one of the top 6 income generators in world football, not bad from a standing start. If Stamford Bridge is expanded to 55k in the near future we will surpass Arsenal`s revenues for sure. It is a world game, for a world market and the initial investment required to take CFC to the top table, was the correct way for our club, maybe not yours, but ours for sure. I accept the unfair advantage we had, was that wasted purchasing could easily be absorbed by the owner. But other clubs in the past ie Liverpool had a distinct advantage over every other club and created their history. What is the difference ? The fact is, that the strategy has worked for CFC and has developed a major club which is still growing. Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs are the main 3 clubs who`s noses have been put out of joint, but to the wider football world, new emerging clubs are beneficial to the health of the game. FFP is no different to taking away relegation and promotion, while retaining a cartel, it will all just go stale. I state again, last season Southampton had a great year. This close season, half a dozen of their players, plus their manager have simply been plucked by larger clubs, in fact Arsenal have raided the very same club for 2 of your better players, how does FFP help Southampton ? They will forever be a feeder club, like the majority in the Premiership. The Rangers/Celtic duopoly for years just put people off the game, because it became uncompetitive, 10 years on and the game is totally dead in Scotland.
Blueheart9
As we speak, Arsenal are on the verge of taking yet another Southampton player. Ask a Southampton fan what they would want, or what is fair, big clubs nicking all of their players, or a rich sugar daddy that could stop it happening, give the club some stability and help them win things, regardless of where the money comes from. I rest my case.
Blueheart9
You're still missing the point Blueheart. Income generation without profit is almost meaningless as I've tried to illustrate in the car dealership example above. If you can boost your revenues by putting money into your stadium instead of inflated transfer fees and players wages then that would be a step forward for you. At the moment though, like giving chances to young players, it's all just talk. You've still to prove you can sustain your business without gifts from your Russian tooth fairy. How does FFP help Southampton? It allows them to compete in a league where they can test their skill in developing young players and as in the Bundesliga which has had a form of FFP for a while and should really only be a one horse race does allow such clubs a chance of their place in the sun. If any thing Southampton is an example of a club that doesn't need a sugar daddy as much as it needs consistent owners. You talk as if your preference for a form of billionaire's poker in which the league is determined by who ever can put the most money into buying the best players is somehow better than what we have in the scottish league. It isn't. At present there are at least 6 clubs maybe 8 in the EPL that with a level playing field could all compete for the title. At present that competition is distorted by Abramovich and Mansour. Your case has already been judged by the football authorities and it now rests only in the discarded bin.
Amos.
Southampton`s players are being cherry picked by the day and the club is now nothing more than a feeder club. How many is that now, 6 players and a manager all grabbed by the greedy in this close season, with players threatening to go on strike, unless they are set free. You will not find one Southampton fan who is happy with that anywhere, no decent player will sign for them, because they are a selling club and no young fan will bother following them, for the same reason. Much better to follow Arsenal or ManU and parade around their local shopping centre in the latest football shirt. Football is for the people, not just for the elite who force their own agenda`s through, so that no one else can have one smidgen of success and who are only perpetuated by their own interests, its shameful and its sad for the game. Believe what you want, but go on to a Southampton site and voice your opinions and people will tell you that you are wrong and that they all pray for someone to come along and invest millions into their club and to give them some hope. These clubs can`t fill their grounds as it is, but never mind they can all just sit at home and watch Arsenal on the television instead. The self righteousness and arrogance of certain top clubs is only fuelled by their own vested interests. I`m alright Jack but sod everyone else. It takes 2 teams to play a competitive game of football.
Blueheart9
Player contract laws now make going on strike to get a move a waste of time and pretty damaging. If Southampton choose to sell their players and use the resources to continue to invest in developing players then at least they're using resources they are generating themselves. Praying for the tooth fairy to buy their club seems a less secure a strategy for a club looking to survive or even thrive over the long term. Your view of the average supporter as a glory hunter is not unsurprising for someone so addicted to hand outs from benefactors but Southampton's average attendances are as high as they were 10 years ago and pretty near full capacity. Your prophesy of their doom seems exaggerated. How ironic that you fail to see the irony in your own claim that football is for the people and not just for the elite. It does take two teams to play a game of football. When one of those teams spends money it doesn't have hoovering up players at transfer fees they can't sustain and paying them wages with money they don't have then you have to ask yourself whether it truly is a competitive game of football at all.
Amos.
Obviously you have not read comments from past Southampton players in todays papers, stating how unjust it is for all their players being stripped from their club once again. So to suggest that the club and its supporters are happy with that, clearly indicates the type of club that you follow, hence the attitude. Nobody else matters apart the wellbeing of your own club, who seem to think that they have a devine right to be at the top unchallenged all the time and get jealous when others have ambitious owners, who take absolutely nothing from their clubs, they only put money in. Unlike all other clubs in football who take it out, Arsenal included. Still waiting for a comment from a Saints fan stating how happy they are, because you wont find one, they will probably go down this season, because of selfish club attitudes. No more to say.
Blueheart9
Your new found and sudden concern for Southampton is very touching but Southampton don't have to sell players that are still within the protected periods of their contract. If they do so it's because it suits them to do so and they aren't in need of your crocodile tears. Most of the teams in the Bundesliga aren't overly excited by the fact that Bayern can buy virtually any German player they want but the fact is that they at least are doing it with their own money. Southampton wouldn't be terribly happy at suffering the same fate as Portsmouth in being taken over by some benefactor who got bored with them and sent them into a nose dive down the leagues! At least what Southampton are doing is sustainable and it will be even more sustainable if the wages and transfer fees that they have to pay for players isn't distorted by arrogant selfish undemocratic oligarchs who have filched their wealth from others and are using football to buy themselves political protection. Your ignorance of this subject is matched only by the extent of your blindness to the damage your club has been doing. Arsenal use their own resources they do not take anything out and they certainly do not hide massive debts in holding companies which extend far beyond the assets of the football club against which the debts are secured as your 'benefactor' does. Indeed you do not have any more to say but the truth is you reached that point several posts back.
Amos.
The damage you accuse Abramovich and Mansour of doing is based on your selfish club being overtaken. The investment of both individuals has pumped millions of pounds into the game, which has then been swirled around by other clubs being able to re invest. Selfish clubs like Arsenal, who only concern themselves about their own welfare and not about the overall game is galling. Was it not Arsenal along with Liverpool and Manchester United, who were threatened with expulsion from all domestic football by EUFA, when trying to go it alone by destroying the English league and create a European Super League that would only suit themselves, sod everyone else. Was it not Arsenal leading the way in 2006, when Chelsea applied to join the cosy little cartel of clubs in G-14, that they were the solitary club to vote against Chelsea being accepted. Once again looking after their own selfish interests. Was it not David Dein and Arsenal, along with Liverpool, Manchester United, Everton and Spurs, that negotiated their own beneficial structured TV deal, that short changed the rest of the clubs in the league at the time, to once again exclude any one else from being able to perform on a level playing field. Was it not Arsenal who led the way, along with several other clubs at the top at the time, that insisted that all home clubs should keep their own home income, as opposed to sharing it with the away team, which had been the case for almost 100 years and helped enable smaller clubs like Wimbledon FC to be able to compete. another act of selfishness. Was it not Arsenal and the other members of G14 that pushed for more than one club being entered into the then European Cup, because they wanted guaranteed income every season, even if they hadn`t won the league. Was it not Arsenal and their happy band of G-14 clubs, that have pushed through the principal of FFP, which stops any club form ever having a dream of sustained success by outside investment. Everything amounts to the same selfish aim, how can we possibly stop any other clubs from superceding us now, or in the future. Its no surprise that some of their supporters that are so riddled with jealousy, are the way they are.
Blueheart9
6 - 0 JUSTICE SERVED UP COLD.
Blueheart9
You're going around in circles. The money that Abramovich and Mansour has put into the game has mainly gone into the hands of agents, players, and sacked managers and not an 'investment' in the game at all. You've clearly little understanding what investment is. Nobody tried to create a super league and nobody was threatened with expulsion - you're letting your deliriums runaway with you. Whatever Arsenal or Liverpool or ManU or Chelsea or any other individual club supported is irrelevant because FFP is supported by a clear and virtually unanimously by European clubs in all the major leagues and those in the EPL. What you're struggling to get your head around is that you're the one out of step - not everyone else. Time to put an end to your tantrums, grab a corner of your blanket in with one hand, stick the thumb of the other in your mouth and take a nap. You need it.
Amos.
Or should I say: The Special Ones 6 - The Selfish Ones 0
Blueheart9
Poor dear. Resorting to just poking your tongue out now??? You were almost right except that you're known popularly as The Special Needs Ones. You'd have hoped that come the end of last season Villa, Palace and Sunderland might have shown you a little more sympathy for your learning difficulties.
Amos.
Amos getting schooled but thinking otherwise as usual.
BlueMIA
Amos getting schooled but thinking otherwise as usual.
BlueMIA
Check the facts Amos, you`re obviously too young to be aware of all your clubs selfish manipulations to corner the market over the years. And you will find that if you took a poll of all clubs in the Premier league, you will find the vast majority of their fans would prefer the chance of an individual coming in and maximising their clubs potential by financing them, as opposed to getting bored once more with an Arsenal/ManU duopoly for the next 100 years.
Blueheart9
Not facts just fantasies and distortions but it's all academic anyway - you've lost the argument. Other football clubs having to use their own resources, which is a clear majority of course, have voted against you. Arsenal have only ever spent what they made from their own resources. Of all the PL clubs Arsenal have truly invested - in a state of the art training centre and a brand spanking new stadium. Hoovering up players with handouts and selling off your youngsters because you won't give them a chance isn't investing at all. I'm sure most children believe in the tooth fairy and father christmas but more grown up supporters see the value of sustainable football finance - which let's face it is how the majority of football clubs try to run their affairs. You benefit junkies, as with many addicts, can't break the habit yourself so football has to force you into rehab. It's football that is sending you and your partners in ignorance back to school. We'll test you again each season to see if anything's getting through. If not it'll be extra lessons for you. It might seem cruel but you'll thank us one day.
Amos.
Actual Facts I`m afraid, check them. As for FFP it doesn`t effect CFC, its too late for that, it just cements us at the top table, with limited competition in the future. But I have no problem if a team like Spurs or Everton were to get re financed and can compete, you are obviously petrified of that. As I said before we are one of the highest 6 income earners in world football and our turnover easily works within the FFP, as was only just proved. we also have the arguably the best training facilities around at Cobham, along with the best youth team set up in world football. Our youngsters once again trounced Arsenals home and away last season and beat them to youth cup and leagues. And that is where a lot of where Abronovich`s money has been invested into. Once an enlarged attendance is achieved, we will easily surpass Arsenals turnover, just wait and see. then no doubt Arsenal will want to move the goalposts again, because of their selfish arrogance, which has been apparent for over 30 years for all to see, except the blinded of course. The whole football world leapt for joy when Man City won the league 2 years ago with the last minute winner by Aguero, because the larger public were ecstatic that they beat ManU to the title, regardless of how much money City had invested. People want change, but I`m bored with trying to have a balanced discussion with someone, when all you want to do is argue, because it is obviously not possible with someone who will only look at the situation with their own selfish, jealous interest. Farewell.
Blueheart9
Not facts at all opinions, suppositions, interpretations maybe but not facts. FFP does affect CFC - you cannot continue to operate in the way you have done in the past. You have had to change and as the rules for FFP tighten you will have to continue to change. Your level of turnover alone has absolutely nothing to do with FFP - why do you still not understand that??? It matters only whether you can achieve that level of turnover profitably - the 'break even' test that you have to meet isn't concerned with how much or how little your turnover is. You really don't not understand what it is you're arguing about do you! Having a great youth team is of no consequence if they cannot get to play in your first team because your first team is blocked by big money signings who are paid wages with money you can't possibly make yourself. Just as it is impossible to have a reasoned discussion with a member of the Flat Earth Society so it is impossible to discuss the harm that your owner and his ilk have brought to the game. Then again there's no need to discuss it because whether you like it or not FFP is here and you've had to adapt and will have to continue to adapt to its demands while Arsenal can continue to operate in the same sustained way that football is trying to get everyone else to copy. That's the balanced discussion which you are unable to take part in because are too blinkered to see and too deaf to hear.
Amos.
Amos got schooled big time lol.
BlueMIA
Only in your confused mind! You're the one in need of more schooling BlueMIA. Like your partner in ignorance the simple facts of the argument have defeated you. It seems to have gone over your heads but Arsenal do not have to alter the way they have operated within their resources as they have always done whereas Chelsea and City and others have had to change and will have to continue to change from the distorted way they have operated in the excesses of their past. And what is more the rest of football agrees with us!!! You're the ones out of step with standards of education!! It should all become clearer once you've been weaned off your benefit culture but when you're as addicted to handouts as you are it may take some time.
Amos.
 

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