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Just What Have They Been Smoking At Anfield?

Just what have they smoking at Anfield?

In particular, just what has Jamie Carragher been putting in his rollies as he sneaks out the back of the Sky Sports studios to have a quick dooby in the faint hope that it might slow his speech down just enough to enable the rest of us to understand a single word he`s saying, because quite frankly he`s been talking some utter nonsnse.

Not confident enough with trying to offer an original thought "Carra" is the latest "pundit" to chime in with the opinion that Arsenal will come up short again in the race for the title this season (and then let himself down by trying to put his own spin on it).

Carra reportedly said in the Daily Mail *Translated from mad-scouse* 'They had a good result against City in the Community Shield, but I look at the spine of the team and think: goalkeeper, good but not great, centre backs, good but not great."

'Arteta, holding midfield player and captain, good but not great. Same with the strikers. The spine comes up short. They spent more time at the top than any other team last season but still came up short."

'Why has Arsene Wenger not done what Mourinho has done? Why has he not bought a top goalkeeper? I wish Wenger would go out and buy a big goalkeeper, a strong centre back, a big midfielder and a decent striker and go for it.'

Has the bag of skunk that Carragher has so clearly been hogging made him forget that not only did Wojciech Szczesny finish as the joint golden glove winner but Arsene Wenger recently signed David Ospina? A man whose shot to save ratio was only bettered by Gianluigi Buffon for the whole of Europe last season.

Has the fat-ones he`s been puffing erased the memory of Laurent Koscielny and Per Mertesacker forming probably the best central defensive pairing in the PL (not to mention the signing of the very impressive Calum Chambers)?

Have Carra`s pipes and bongs killed so many brain cells that he didn`t even realise that not only did Arsenal secure the signature of Liverpool target Alexis Sanchez (still bitter about that one Jamie?) but Arsenal only "came up short" by 7 points last season (only 5 behind Liverpool) & they did so without Aaron Ramsey, Theo Walcott and Mesut Ozil for large parts of the season (not to mention having to play 12 more cup games than Liverpool in the process)?

Maybe after Liverpool "came up short" in every competition they entered last season (which wasn`t many) and then went and sold their best player only to replace him with Southampton, Carragher should be discuss Liverpool`s prospects for the season?

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Date:Thursday August 14 2014

Time: 1:53AM

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Butt hurt Arsenal fans. Carragher doesn't think Arsenal will win the title, oh boo hoo!
Patrick Ferris
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14/08/2014 02:26:00

Analyzing Arsenal these days must be very difficult for the 'usual suspect' pundits. Default labels are not applicable anymore and instead of raising their hands and admitting the obvious, it appears there is a search for new negative tags. "The spine comes up short..." How lazy! We've won some silverware, we've spent some %$# money, we've signed marquee players, and we didn't fall outside the top four. Now we have to mimic Mourinho?
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14/08/2014 02:49:00

Carragher is a bitter man and my guess is it is all about his club losing out on Alexis Sanchez, who preferred coming to a club that has actually won something recently (which improves the chances of more medals, sooner), not one living on past glory, plus the cosmopolitan London. He can talk and "wish" all he wants, so long as the manager, players and fans feel satisfied with the squad, I have very few complaints.
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14/08/2014 02:55:00

*more cosmopolitan London life*. It would seem punditry is relying more and more on the 'controversial' views to get hits and viewership for the employer TV stations. It also helps when the opinions are about a club with a big, literate fan base as Arsenal. Be it radio, TV, newspapers, internet, etc., Arsenal news sells.
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14/08/2014 03:01:00

If you don't see how vastly Arsenal has improved this summer then you have a personal issue with them. I am a Chelsea fan and I know for us to win a title we have to be at our very best. I'll be very careful not to bet against Arsenal this time round as I've always done. Arsenal will be in the mix to the very end this time. One thing is for sure Liverpool may fail to clinch the top four spot (unfortunately).
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14/08/2014 06:01:00

sounds like charragher touched a nerve?
stuart smith1
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14/08/2014 06:15:00

Football punditry is about having an opinion, just because Carraghers opinion happens to differ from that of yours doesn't mean it is a bad opinion. I think what he is trying to say is that when watching Arsenal over the past 7 or 8 seasons, when it comes to the big games there is an obvious lack of backbone, despite the fact that Arsenal won the FA Cup last season, this lack of spine was never more apparent than in their fixtures away from home against the other teams in the top 4, conceding 6 at City, 6 at Chelsea and 5 at Anfield, this simply doesn't happen to a team capable of winning titles. In Ospina, Chambers, Debuchy and Sanchez, Carragher is simply pointing out that Arsenal haven't signed players who he feels will make them take the leap from also-rans to title challengers. Its OK throwing around useless stats about golden gloves and arguably the best centre-back pairing when the fact remains that Arsenal only kept one clean sheet against any team in the top 5 all season, conceding a remarkably hefty negative goal difference in the process, it is also apparent that Arsenal clearly need an out and out striker as back-up or to challenge Giroud, Sinogo is clearly not up to scratch and Sanchez can play up front but is not a striker. I believe what Carragher is saying is that in his opinion, Arsenal will have another run of the mill, just doing enough to qualify for the CL, season.....I tend to agree.
Craig Martin
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14/08/2014 06:25:00

Aside from the goalkeeping situation, I would like to see the signing of a proven centre-half as well as a physical DM, so I can see what he is trying to say, he just has trouble connecting his brain to his mouth.
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14/08/2014 06:26:00

And on another note, just what exactly does Carragher have to be bitter towards Arsenal about ? The fact that Alexis Sanchez chose to go to Arsenal because his wife wanted to live in London ? Please !!. Carragher won enough in his career to not be bitter about anything, he has a European Cup winners medal which Arsenal as a club can only dream of. On the other hand, maybe its because Arsenal have won the Premier League and Liverpool haven't ? In case you haven't noticed he sits next to a certain player during his punditry who used to play for a team with many more Premier League medals than any other and they just happen to be Liverpools biggest rivals. For me Carragher is simply stating the obvious and come the end of the season you will see this to be the case.
Craig Martin
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14/08/2014 06:44:00

Craig Martin, articulate and correct post and unlike the author of this article not an indignant reaction.
Mark Wilkinson
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14/08/2014 06:51:00

epic... i also love your moto.."because a cannon will always be cooler than a chicken" loool
Duke Duke
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14/08/2014 07:04:00

Ha ha ha. Look at you lot crying cos someone doesn't think you'll win the league. The bookies have you at 6-1. Are they all bitter too? You lot are always all talk about what you're going to do. You're like children. And Botum, you've signed 2 right backs for 28m and yet another pint sized midfielder. Big deal.
David Sanderson
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14/08/2014 07:10:00

Lol why are arsenal fans so touchy? To all arsen-hole fans, if your ever down and sad. Just think of the 5 goals we put past your so called great keeper lol. Bye the way.. Carra is right 100%. Ps Sanchez ain't a striker lol
Albert Hermiz
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14/08/2014 07:15:00

No real issue with him expressing an opinion as long as the same logic is applied acid the board. His job is to give his opinion and naturally is going to differ from ours. Personally i don't fully agree with everything he's said but if he wants to think our keeper and back line is not up to it then fine. I'll happily beg to differ. I just hope he apples the same logic to Liverpool because if we are sorry then they are simply miles o
Galway Gooner
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14/08/2014 07:18:00

It is a tad odd that setting as he's such an impartial individual that so many Liverpool fans are on here defending him.......
Galway Gooner
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14/08/2014 07:20:00

Facts are facts. You take an ex Liverpool player and ask them to comment about Arsenal and inevitably that comment will be negative. That is a fact. Yes Arsenal suffered away from home for various reasons. But we were also unbeaten against that same top 4 at home beating the mighty Liverpool very easily. Facts are Arsenal made every pundit look stupid last season. Owen and Carrigher both tipped Arsenal to finish 6th or 7th. They all predicted an easy win for Liverpool in the FA Cup. Arsenal made them look stupid. Now it's become very much a case of every year we will predict Arsenal will fail and hopefully one day we'll get it right. Hell Owen has even gone as far as to say we'll finish 5th this season.
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14/08/2014 08:19:00

If Carragher's saying that we're not favourites to win the title this season then there're few that would disagree with that. If he's saying we have a problem with the spine of the side in terms of keeper, cbs and defensive midfield then it's worth reminding him that we conceded only 4 goals more than title winners City last season and 9 goals fewer than Liverpool. Our problem wasn't really with that end of the team but up front - hence more of an issue with the head of the team than its spine if we're thinking body parts. There's a bandwagon theme this summer that all our difficulties would best be solved with a 'ball winning' midfielder largely because of heavy defeats against the top sides - not something that's really been a feature of our performances outside last season and not something that was unique to us last season. It's so much easier for pundits like Carragher to climb onto the bandwagon than to take an objective look at our failings. But he's right that we aren't favourites to win the title this season. Whether we will or not isn't something that can be decided before the season gets underway.
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14/08/2014 08:19:00

Cara is simply bitter, cause since Arsenal won 2–0, with a last-minute goal scored by Michael Thomas 1989, denying Liverpool the chance of a second Double, liverpool never won the EPL since and he got to retire without touching that cup or its medals. I know I would if I was him, but thanx heaven i am not a scoucser. Arsenal forever.
Mohamed Al Hashimi
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14/08/2014 08:37:00

I think he is right, as a chelsea fan I still don't see arsenal as a threat, for all your attacking flair you're are still missing the required steel for the big games, you're simply not strong enough in the middle of the park, arteta? Lol, I will begin to take you serious if you can add a DM and a back-up CB, until then you will still come up short in all the big games this season especially away from home.
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14/08/2014 08:55:00

You arsenal fans are becoming the biggest moaners in football. Moaning about. What a pundit had an opinion that differed from yours wow how dare he. Doesn't matter if he's right does it. Next you'll be cancelling your sky subscription in protest hey.
Ross Gidman
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14/08/2014 08:55:00

Craig, firstly nobody can grudge Carragher having an opinion, thats fairly obvious but then as a football pundit the opinion his supposed to be more objective that that of the general football public, which it is debatable it is. Socondly, as the team which led the premier league for the most amount of time, calling Arsenal "also rans" is too harsh, a bit like calling Liverpool and Chelsea that as well when it is not the case. Third, Carragher is giving his opinion on Arsenal's summer signings till date before they have started the season! He could atleast watch them in action for a few months before judging them? Fourth, why does Carragher think Arsenal's summer business is over? He is not informed at all if he thinks thats the case - there are more signings to come and he will be made to look silly later having given his opinion prematurely. He could ofcourse say that his opinion was subject to how he saw Arsenal's squad at that point in time but he is a pundit for god's sake, why is he giving a supposedly definitive opinion before the transfer market shuts? Fifth, why does Carragher think that Alexis Sanchez is not a striker? Does one have to be a 6 foot 4 Andie Carrol lookalike to pass of as a striker? Was Suarez not a striker?Alexis is a good support striker and his opinion that "Arsenal havent bought a striker" is defective for that reason. I am not saying that Arsenal will win the league next season, who knows in this league with so many competitive teams but to write off a club which came fairly close to the top of the league last time around, strengthened in the summer and has a manager who improves the players he already has is something that anyone intelligent wont normally do. Jamie Carragher was a great player over time and a bonafide Liverpool legend but I'm afraid he doesnt pass of as an astute pundit at all.
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14/08/2014 09:19:00

Liverpool fans calling Arsenal moaners! HA! That's priceless! As someone already stated, opinion is perfectly fine, it's encouraged, but when that opinion is based on nonsense be prepared to be called out on it. The only thing I would agree with JC on is that we need a DM (the point he talked least about) as Arsene Wenger has already said he will sign another CB should Vermaelen leave (which he obviously did). Wenger's striking options are Giroud, Sanchez, Walcott, Sanogo and Campbell, why do we need another striker? Any CB to come in would be cover, which will be nice but to call Koscielny and Mertesacker "good but not great" is complete and utter nonsense. If Carragher can name me two goalkeepers better than Ches and Ospina who are available then why doesn't he name them? He's playing Championship manager ffs. If he doesn't think we'll win the league fine, but the points he made (DM aside) are not only completely baseless, but things that have already been addressed by Arsene Wenger. The guy is a tit.
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14/08/2014 09:22:00

Gary Neville loves the fact that JM has been paired with him because he just makes Neville sound like a ****king genius. JC views on football and his reading of a game is pure comedy
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14/08/2014 09:38:00

Mohammed, Liverpool won the title in 1990 the season after Michael Thomas' Anfield winner. Get your facts right mate.
Craig Martin
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14/08/2014 09:48:00

Deltaforce, Firstly, Carragher was asked his opinion on what he thought of the chances of each of the top 7 teams in last seasons premier league, he did not single out Arsenal for criticism, he stated that Man Utd would improve under Van Gaal, he stated that he thought the title would be between City and Chelsea, and he also stated that LIVERPOOL may struggle to replicate last seasons achievement due to the loss of Suarez and Champions league commitments. Secondly, what I mean by an out and out striker is a player that plays primarily as a striker. It is glaringly obvious to not only football pundits but also the general man in the street like myself that Arsenal need a strong defensive midfielder and a striker, how do you expect people to change their opinion when time after time the same thing happens ? Arsenal begin the season with huge promise and optimism and finish it by just doing enough to reach an acceptable standard of qualifying for the champions league, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that because Liverpool have not even managed that in recent seasons, but you cant expect everyone to share your optimism just because you think that THIS season it will be different. Its down to Arsenal to prove everyone wrong and until they do I'm afraid people are always going to assume it will be same old same old.
Craig Martin
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14/08/2014 10:11:00

I wonder why Craig Martin has not replied to the stats provided by Amos and the points made by Deltaforce, above. Well said, gents. Making out like anyone begrudges JC his opinion is a cheap way to defend the *****. His punditry skills are suspect and you can see he is struggling to be relevant hence the need to prematurely throw in his tainted views about 'reasons Arsenal won't win the title' early on. You can only buy who is on the market and who fits into your plans; I am not sure he knows about Arsenal better than Mr. Wenger. So, for me, he can stuff his suggestions.

As for those reeling out stats of goals conceded against top 4 teams, evidence abounds of teams who have recovered from the odd poor results (I agree that Arsenal, last season had one too many) to go on and win the title/trophy. It is a 38 game league so such stats are meaningless unless it results in complete collapse of the season. 7 points separating the said City from Arsenal doesn't look like a collapse. The poor results were all away from home too, which suggests it is a fixable problem. Though they were trounced 6-1, didn't United go on to end the season as joint 1st, losing to City only on goal difference? I think we are stronger this season and not likely to go down by so many goals this time around, unless we have special circumstances like 2 red cards or injuries to key men, in the course of the game.
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14/08/2014 10:24:00

Well, Craig......thanks for wishing us well.
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14/08/2014 10:28:00

Welcome back, Galway Gooner. Just in time, too ;-)
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14/08/2014 10:29:00

Fair enough Craig. My point about passing judgement about the Arsenal squad only after August 31 remains but thanks for clarifying.
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14/08/2014 10:31:00

ManU won the title not too long ago having won only 1 game against the other top four teams and losing 3. City last season won only 2 and lost 3 against the other top four while Chelsea won 5 and only lost 1 yet finished just 3 points ahead and closer to us than City. This whole 'big game' bandwagon just blinds everyone 'pundits and general man in the street' included to what is really needed to sustain a title challenge and leading them to the same old clichéd conclusions which invariably involve buying one or all of a 'commanding centre back' - 'midfield powerhouse' - '30 goal a season striker' . It's just punditry by numbers.
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14/08/2014 10:39:00

Also worth pointing out that Liverpool lost more games against the other sides in the top four last season than we did but did pick up 1 point more than we did at home. It's not about the games you lose - or how you lose them really - it's just about the points you pick up.
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14/08/2014 10:44:00

You can see some people spend way too much time listening to the so called experts because they come on forums like this and sprout the same tired argument about what makes a football team or club successful. Arsenal had very poor luck in the away games, while Liverpool can point to their very dodgy luck with referees buying their diving and cheating which gained them 15 penalties and at least 8 undeserved points. Hopefully Arsenal can for once start to actually get some decisions go our way this season. We're not asking for the overly generous decisions that Liverpool got. No we'd settle for the legitimate ones that referees overlook time and time again.
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14/08/2014 10:54:00

Ah, Amos. I just made a riposte about the cliched use of "CDM Beast", etc., on another article (I think it is the Match discussion one). I feel it is becoming worn and the fact the club has not addressed it fully means it isn't considered as important. I am not saying those suggesting we need a DM are wrong; just that maybe, Wenger feels different about the effect on the way we play.
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14/08/2014 11:14:00

Folk do have hackneyed ideas about what a defensive midfielder should be. If it's just to defend then why not just stick another defender in front of the back four? But the tactical demands are tougher than that. Wenger spoke about the changing role of DM's a couple of seasons back;
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14/08/2014 12:30:00

Yeah, I'm a bit tired of this 'Arsenal need a big defensive midfielder', as if every successful team has had a 6'5'', 25-stone carthorse who kicks opponents in the air. As if a player like Ramsey is not just as capable of making a tackle as some big bu**er. It's a nonsense - ask Makelele.
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14/08/2014 12:36:00

We can argue until we are blue in the face, and we can discuss people jumping on bandwagons and the credentials of former players as worthy pundits, or the so-called media imagined weaknesses in the Arsenal squad, but the long and the short of it is this.......Jamie Carragher said he doesn't think Arsenal will be greatly improved and will not be serious contenders for the title.......and he will be right, Arsenal will finish 4th at best. In fact I'm so sure of it that I will continue to post throughout the season so you can all hold me to my prediction.
Craig Martin
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14/08/2014 12:46:00

Without wishing to appear discourteous Craig I'm not sure why anyone would be overly concerned on where you might think Arsenal will finish next season any more than I'd expect you to be concerned about where any Gooner might think Liverpool might end the season. At least your prediction is a bit more positive than some pundits have seen our chances for next season. Most betting odds put us 4th and Liverpool 5th with Chelsea, City and ManU taking the positions above us in that order. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me but it's only based on previous form which at the beginning of last season wouldn't have had Liverpool 2nd and Manu 7th. The moral of the story is that predicting the outcome of a season before a ball has been kicked is a mug's game - and predicting a negative outcome is the easiest mug's game in the world.
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14/08/2014 12:56:00

In playing this mug's game it's worth noting that the bookies only give the favourite Chelsea a 34% chance of winning the PL and Arsenal about 15%. Backing a negative outcome for anyone isn't much of a test of predictive capabilities.
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14/08/2014 13:02:00

Thanks for the reply Amos and you did not sound discourteous in the slightest, to be honest I only stumbled across this subject whilst scrolling through Newsnow so I thought I would stick my 2p's worth in because I enjoy a good football debate. If its any consolation, I honestly hope that if Liverpool don't win it (which we won't) that Arsenal do because at least Arsenal have gone about their business the moral way unlike City and Chelsea, and I wouldn't want Man Utd or Everton to win it for obvious reasons.
Craig Martin
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14/08/2014 13:22:00

Well you've at least you've been good natured while sticking your 2p's worth in Craig. Full credit for that. I hope we all get to celebrate something at the end of the season.
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14/08/2014 13:43:00

Yes Amos, I am 41 now so I'm a little long in the tooth to be a keyboard warrior and to be quite honest some of the things I see posted on these forums are almost criminal. Nothing wrong with a good debate though, I've been going to watch Liverpool since 1978 so I've seen the good times and the bad as I'm sure you have yourself with the Arsenal, All the best to you and the Gooners for what could be one of the most exciting seasons in recent history.
Craig Martin
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14/08/2014 14:08:00

Just one last point that everyone, including myself, seems to have missed is the fact that the headline of this article is somewhat misleading seeing as Jamie Carragher is no longer an employee of Liverpool Football Club so his comments have no connection with Anfield other than he is an ex-player. Perhaps the headline should have been "Just what have they been smoking at Sky".........just a thought.
Craig Martin
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14/08/2014 14:31:00

Since when did we have so many Pool fans in the vital network. VL is basically a dead zone.
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14/08/2014 18:56:00

I've seen the odd bit of tumbleweed over there sajit.
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15/08/2014 00:36:00

Check your pockets, I think we just got bumrushed.
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16/08/2014 00:37:00

What a useless article. Carrager is talking as a pundit. The only bitterness on show here is from a fan making feeble attempts to cover Arsenals weaknesses. If you are arguing Arsenal have the best defence in the PL you're the one that's stoned. Did you watch the way City, Liverpool and Chelsea tore you apart? Sanchez may be a good player - time will tell, but 16 m for Chambers when a proven cb is required is insane. And what about thr clearly obvious need for a ECM and a cf?! Carragher is spot on. The core of Arsenals team - gk,cb, cf - is good. But does good win titles?
DA McQueen
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16/08/2014 00:41:00

arsenal midfield with arteta will fail against big teams for sure hes old n slow now ... giroud will have to work hard ... and sanchez is clearly not a striker even the world up proved it but hes a good player on the wings ...u ppl r short atleast by two top players for winning epl a striker n pivot ..... n then u can cry money buys titles for ur rivals lol ...
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16/08/2014 08:35:00

Useless but still worth a reply. Lots of sour grapes on here. The hatred and vitriol venting from segments of the Liverpool community is shocking, all because one player dare choose another club over them. It won't be the last time I'm sure. Many a player has chosen another club over arsenal for better or worse. Matta springs to mind. To think Liverpool I always cheered Liverpool for a win pre Suarez gate. That animal has tainted your club beyond repair for me. Your ex players are not doing much to win me over either. I haven't seen bergkamp or Henry slagging Liverpool off in the press lately. Class.
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16/08/2014 17:00:00

That`s rich from Craig Martin suggesting Chelsea and City have not done their business the moral way. For over 20 years Liverpool were the only club in Britain that had outside finance from a 3rd party, which gave them a massive financial advantage over every other club in Europe. Finance from the Moores family and Littlewoods pools effectively bought Liverpools history, so what is the difference to the situation today ? absolutely nothing, except for FFP in which Chelsea abide by and are within. Which clearly indicates that the money that CFC generate is what they spend, as well as producing the best youth set up within world football.
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