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Welbeck Closes Arsenal's Transfer Window

The signing of England International Danny Welbeck brings Arsenal's outlay this summer to some £82m. Since Kroenke took control the club has spent something in the order of £235m in 4 years. The spending this summer brings in Alexis Sanchez, Mathieu Debuchy, Calum Chambers and David Ospina in addition to Welbeck.

While this seems to address supporters primary concerns about the depth our attack last season Wenger had suggested we were low on numbers in defence. In fact it's much the same as last season with Chambers now replacing Vermaelen and Debuchy in for Sagna when Vermaelen struggled to get a game. With Flamini able to cover both full backs slots and Monreal fulfilling the Koscielny role adequately at times in pre season we should be ok. With the options for back up risking a move into Squillaci/Silvestre territory it probably makes sense to keep resources back to be able to take advantage of any genuine opportunity that may present itself later.

The excitement of any transfer fades quickly enough and no matter how many players are brought in nor how much is spent we'll probably always be considered by many to be two players short of world dominance but it looks as though some good business has been done by the club this summer. Now there's just football to look forward to until the next transfer window when the circus kicks off all over again and we are once more linked with Klaas-Jan Huntelaar.



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The Journalist

Writer: Amos Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday September 2 2014

Time: 10:24AM

Your Comments

Very good summary, Amos. And a point well made about our spending - now that we have the money. When we didn't have it, we didn't spend it. Simples.
FunGunner
Nobody can seriously think we have adequate cover in defence. Gross mismanagement by the old fool.
elbondo
We had adequate cover in defence last season with the same numbers but Wenger was accused of mismanagement when we had Squillaci or Silvestre or Cygan or Senderos or Djourou as back ups. In fact take a look at the back ups for the Invincibles!
Amos.
A circus it may be, but it's one we're part of and something that we needed to use to take advantage of the money we have, no matter how distasteful you may find it. I completely disagree that we 'should be ok' defensively, we're one long term knock away to either of the CBs from being up **** creek, using Flamini as adequate cover is a paradox in itself, he's below the level required. We're doing what we always do and gamble on the key players staying fit all season, when the last time that happened was a decade ago.
shewore
Transfers took place long before transfer windows. Transfers are not always distasteful but the circus is. Sky didn't invent transfers they just appointed themselves ringmasters with a good portion of supporters and the media providing the performance to the crack of their whip. We're ok defensively if we don't get long term injuries (though Vermaelen was injured for a good part of last season) but even if we'd brought someone else in just to make up the numbers we probably wouldn't be much better off than playing Monreal at CB for a while. But waht happens if you get more than one long term injury and end up playing someone like Carrick and Fletcher at CB as ManU did despite having a lorryload of CBs at the time. It happens. There're no guarantees and no optimum number in a squad that's restricted in size and make up anyway.
Amos.
We are ok defensivly if we dont get a long term injury.....thats exactly wjhat we get in abundance every season becasue some players are run into the ground. And that happens because we dont have cover in plce for rest.
Armory
And god help us with Arteta and Flamini as our defensive midfielders, the one position I beleive we where seriously lacking more than any other.
Armory
It doesn't matter who we buy we'll always be lacking, seriously or otherwise depending on your perspective, more in one position than another. Every supporter of every club has their own idea of what the weak spots are. Truth is they're always there in every squad.
Amos.
Very true, Amos.

@eldondo - don't be so rude. Whatever your criticisms of AW, or however ill-informed and irrational you choose to be, you should be aware that he has done enough for this football club to deserve your respect.

FunGunner
FG It's a forum & a free country we've all said it down the line in the last 19 odd years.
Chippy Brady
Very well said, Amos and Fun Gunner. And a BIG welcome to Danny Welbeck.I was a bit underwhelmed at first mention yesterday but on balance I think he is the surer option. Young, strong and willing, Premier League experienced, comes from a title winning squad and he meets the British quota. Falcao might have the name, but he's older, has a suspect knee, he's untried in this league AND his wages are ludicrous. Massive gamble we couldn't afford to take, in my opinion.
julieloveshenry4ever
Does anyone know why Monaco were actually selling Falcao or why is was so keen to leave?
Gooner_Vin
Vin, I suggest this: http://www.espnfc.com/story/1383886/monaco-told-to-comply-with-new-tax-rules
damiano_tommassi
Gooner_Vin it's because Monaco are a very small club with deep pockets like Chelsea. I guess he wants to (laugh, s*******, roll eyes win things?)
Chippy Brady
or as damiano has suggested FFP and tax rules.
Chippy Brady
If Falcao's reported pay is true and that he wanted the same nett pay as he was getting in Monaco more or less tax free then on top of Falcao's costs ManU will be paying the Treasury in the order of £2m a year in employers NI.
Amos.
Cheers, all
Gooner_Vin
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/arsenal/news/welbeck-suffers-training-injury_174672.html

I defy anyone to deny we have rotten luck.

FunGunner
FunGun.. but he is supposed to be OK. Cheers.
Sajit
Im for one agreeing with Amos, is buying a Sylvestre any better than playing Monreal at CB? Of course Bac was our 4th choice CB last season but its rarely that you get someone who is that good in two positions. I think Monreal can do a job there.
Sajit
We haven't got adequate cover at the back, and that's pretty obvious. We have got only 3 CBs and let's not count Monreal as one cos Gibbs is injury-prone. So what now, we would have Monreal playing both left back and centre back, if we got Gibbs and one of Merts or Kos injured? The next experiment will be to try Debuchy as a centre back. Let's stop this habit of playing personnel outta position, it only leads to further injuries. We sold Verm and Miguel and brought no one in. The only back up appears to be Hayden, who has got zero EPL experience. I'm guessing Wenger only wanted to bring in one defender and then quit the transfer window. Giroud's injury probably forced his hand to find an able striker. One or two injuries down the line and we will all come back here moaning about Wenger's "inactivity" during the summer transfer window. Not a bad transfer window though, seeing as we brought in 5 players and having Campbell back. Whether Wenger will manage these group of players properly and avoid injuries (due to too many games) remains to be seen...
Guyfox
Maybe Wenger had a rethink regarding the the CB options and decided Sanago is needed there instead?
Chippy Brady
Miquel wasn't part of the squad last season. Sagna and Vermaelen were replaced by Debuchy and Chambers. The situation is no worse than last season when Vermaelen spent most of the campaign in the treatment room. We need more cover but there's little point bringing in someone who isn't as good as the options we have. Maybe January maybe next summer but we'd need a couple of long term injuries before we're caused any real difficulty at the moment. Not ideal but not a disaster either.
Amos.
Everything is fine. We have adequate cover in all departments. We will compete on four fronts, renew, repeat. renew, repeat. renew, repeat.
nikolaijns
You mock, nikolaijns, but we're being realistic. Ultimately it's about living in the real world not a Football Manager world. Everyone is taking a gamble somewhere in their squad, no-one has everyone they want/need in every position. You always need a bit of luck with injuries, draws, etc.
FunGunner
im convinced that if the club spent 100s of millions on transfers, and bought in the likes of Messi , Ribery, and the entire German defence, then there would STILL be the hardcore of doom merchants saying were short.
cornish gooner
And if Wenger bought nobody, sold everybody, and got special permission from the FA to play the ladies team, there would still be those who defend him. Funny how when somebody opines that we are weak in defensive cover - and we are, some on here have Monreal and Chambers covering two defensive positions each when injury hits, it's considered Football Manager naiveté. And yet somehow expecting no injuries while competing for four trophies makes sense? I just don't get the Wenger love - sure, he lead us through one of the greatest eras in our history, and kept us competitive with (alleged) financial restrictions for years, but what has he done lately? Nothing except alienate supporters, that's what.
elbondo
So right, Cornish gooner. The way I see it, the time for moaning is over with the close of the transfer window. It is time to appraise the squad realistically to see if we are okay or not. Wenger has always emphasized versatility in making a choice of defensive players and this is for a reason. He also showed us that Monreal could do a job at CB in pre-season? So, when the injuries start to pile up, it is unlikely to be the disaster it used to be in seasons past; of course, that's hoping the injuries are short term mostly. Chambers and Bellerin can cover for Debuchy. Chambers and Debuchy can cover for Mertesacker. Said Mertesacker and Monreal can cover for Koscielny. Monreal and Flamini can cover for Gibbs. Then, there is Hayden in the mix too, who is able to play as DM, thus covering Flamini and Arteta, with Chambers also able to do a job as DM. Maybe, it's not so bad, after all. I have seen what United have at the back and don't think they so much better of. Only thing is they hardly have our kind of luck with injuries. No other top side does, actually:-)
Naijagunner
At least I'll only have a 2 mile round trip after a loss watching Monreal and young Calum struggle valiantly and I'll probably won't be arsed to be on here banging on about it :) It's too soon obviously anyway elbondo, you should know how the drawbridge gets drawn up and heads go back into the warm sand once were stuck with what we're stuck with, it's a natural instinct folk don't like to hear the distant drums. Everything is just fine, the sun is shining.
nikolaijns
elbondo, I am not sure it is all about some Wenger love as it is about being realistic. As good as Chelsea are defensively, they only really have Terry and Cahill as known CBs. Ivanovic is the recognized cover in the event of injuries. Besides Ivanovic, the alternatives are Nathan Ake and Zouma. This suggests to me that in the event of an injury crisis in defence, we would be seeing some chopping and changing and filling in. Of course, Drogba has had to cover as defender for Chelsea on one occasion in the past. These things happen with every club, so let's not sound like it should be different for us or Wenger is just bereft of ideas.
Naijagunner
You may be right, niko. But, you'll have to admit there's not much good banging your head over something that can no longer be changed, even if the manager was willing and able. There is always the MLS to fall back on for some loanees, though, eh.
Naijagunner
Makes sense @Naija but with our injury record, I seriously doubt if the scenario might play out that way. Remember, United are only in 2 competitions this season (following their exit from the Carling Cup). We compete on all fronts and these won't be easy matches. There are quite a number of fairly strong sides in the EPL this season too. Excessive game time will take its toll on the players, that can't be ruled out. And then there's the issue of Wenger deliberately overplaying a few players. I mean we broke down in January only because we lost Ramsey and Walcott. Two players gone and the team that had topped the league for 128 days just lost it. Tis simple: buy proper players in those positions. Enough with the experiments and versatility guesses. Get a DM for a DM role; get a CB for a CB role and get a striker for a striking role.
Guyfox
Reductio ad absurdum elbondo. It would be something to have to play both Chambers and Monreal as a central defenders - almost as inexcusable as ManU having to field Carrick and Fletcher as central defenders in some games not so long ago despite having a few on their books. No one's claiming that we wouldn't be better off with more defensive cover simply pointing out that we have as much as we had last season without, as yet, the long term injuries that kept Vermaelen out for much of the season.
Amos.
Against Leicester, coupled with the fact that up front we were lacking, the middle had no balance. Sometimes we had Santi and Ozil in the middle and then Ramsey's runs were missing. Also shocking was Wenger's choice to bring on Ox (who had played midweek), when there were fresh players in Rosicky and Campbell who have not played up to 45 mins of football since the start of the season. I may have no coaching experience or degree but the same patterns that have led to our injury crises are taking shape again.
Guyfox
Was Don Howe wrong back in 1971 when he switched McLintock from midfield to CD and Simpson from LB/LW to CD, moved Storey from RB to CM and GG from forward to midfield Guyfox? Players moving positions to utilise their skills within the team set up isn't in any way new. Nor is it unique to Arsenal players.
Amos.
At least, we are in agreement on that one, Amos. However, it was clear from the time of Verm's sale that we were short behind and needed cover. So why was nothing done to address that? We don't need a 40 mil pounds signing. Just someone able enough to provide cover when injuries (short term or long term) come up.
Guyfox
So if I understand you, we are right to go into the new season with only 6 defenders to cover 4 positions, bearing in mind that, we are competing on 4 fronts and also adding internationals to that? Of our 6 defenders, one is injury prone. 4 outta these will be called up to their national teams. We got a soft centre with Arteta and Flamini, meaning a lil more pressure on our defense. Do we honestly think we can go the distance...?
Guyfox
I'm not against having versatile players who can cover a few positions but have one or two across the back. That's fine. But to head into a season with permutations of defensive flexibility and worst case scenarios in the face of injuries really baffles me. I just feel it, down the line we are gonna get a drubbing similar to the games against Chelsea, Liverpool and City last season. As Naija said, no use moaning after the window has been shut. Let's hope for the best.
Guyfox
We've got cover for Vermaelen in Chambers. Flamini is also able to cover both full back positions. Rightly or wrongly our defensive cover is no weaker than last season. I've said it isn't ideal but most 4th choice CB's aren't ideal either.
Amos.
Ha and hence the never ending cycle naija, what are you moaning about people? there is still time left in this window to draft much needed defensive reinforcements?? followed shortly by no point in moaning we can't do anything now the window is closed so let's make the best of what we have. Sorry but no. We're going to pay for this, call it dooming, negativity, bsm, WOB or whatever stupid fv(king acronym anyone wants to hurl at me, I honestly could not give a rats but we have failed to bring in any form of defensive cover outside of a promising 19 yr old lad and talk of Bellerin or Hayden is the defensive equivalent of expecting yaya to deliver the final package. The buck stops with Arsene and after a fantastic start delivering some great replacements for departures he has failed on the basic unglamourous acquisition of solid cover. 3 injuries in the space of 4 games now, what on earth makes him think Mr Forsyth will perform miracles on keeping the remainder fit for the rest?
nikolaijns
How are we going to pay for it niko? By not winning the PL or CL? Like we would have done so if we'd just snatched Rio from under 'arry's nose! Or maybe persuaded Evra or Ashley that they still had a future sitting on our bench? We have what we had last season. Maybe we'll get away with it as we did last season maybe not, maybe we'll sign someone in january. Maybe we'll simply outscore everyone we come up against. What's the worst that can happen? There's nothing to pay. No lives are lost. No-one goes hungry. Nobody has to play the victim. It's just football.
Amos.
Hoping for the best. What is that in Latin?
Wyn Mills
Oh dear. So I must be clamouring for Ferdinand or Evra because I'm asking our set up for more experienced CB cover than a promising 19 year old , pure Wenger disingenuous divertion tactics, use a ridiculous exaggerated example to attempt to ridicule a dissenting viewpoint. We let the likes of Manolas go to Roma for a similar fee we paid for Vermaelen, he wanted assurance of playing time, give him it, it's a long season, injuries will prevail he will get plenty of pitch. That's all anyone was asking for, exerienced, cost effective solid cover. What's the worse that can happen? Well you may be happy to repeat last season of shipping six goals against Chelsea, city and Liverpool but I think Arsenal deserves not to repeat that shame again, that's what is to pay, psychologically damaging results caused by franky irresponsible unnecessary gambling. The relentless flood of injuries we have suffered yet still here we stand, on a knife edge again. You and the defenders of the realm talk of logic and rationalism, I see none in decisions such as this and you know what? it's fine to talk about it, I've waited until we cannot change the situation, I've waited until the next day after the window has closed, like any rational logical person should, I'm not just gonna sit and clap along to the party line or sweep it under the carpet. it's not much in the scheme of life but then we're not talking about that are we? This isn't an Oxfam or disaster funding forum is it? No, it's a football forum so why even bring that rather strange analogy into play? I admit I'm surprised to see an admission that we 'got away with it' last season though. We all know we did which is why it's a real shame to see us go double or bust again. Seems poker extends beyond the window itself let's just pray we avoid the bad beats this time.
nikolaijns
Also let's be plain here, whilst your cheerleading figure of 235 million spent in the last 4 years looks very impressive, it would be remiss not to mention the counterbalancing figure of 150 million made from the sale of players, so effectively a 4 year outlay of 85 million, so an average of 21.25 million per season. Mmm, not quite so much to be shouting from the rooftops then, unless of course you're the husband of the walmart heir :)
nikolaijns
Dont mention net spend. Havent you heard? It dont count according to some.
Wyn Mills
When I first heard about welbeck I was underwhelmed as many. I've since had 24 hours or so to let it sink in. Many utd fans are absolutely gutted welbeck has gone. I forgot how young this fella is. At 23 he has so much experience, and at 23 he still has so much more to learn. Fergie rates this guy, and it seems wenger does to. They both can't be wrong. This reminds me of Liverpool taking a punt on a young English striker struggling for form, and being played out of position. I think wenger is rubbing his hands at the prospect of moulding welbeck. And I for one (24 hours later) think this could be a master stroke. He has 4 months to make himself undropable, which I think he is more then capable of doing.
gunnerman76
@naijagunner chelsea have andres cristensen as a backup too and the kid is good ....and dont forget mikel he will shut out the game if needed by chelsea if paired with ramires .ur aerial threat is nil with welbeck added teams will shut out the game with buses .... and plz cfc is far better when taking care of fatigue players unlike arsenal .. how can last seasons title winning season be ruined with injuries lol .... anyways windows is closed let Christmas arrive with gifts filled with injuries :P and btw nothing is perfect just hope ur team does well with what they have .... wenger got his work cut out for sure ....
gary777
There is no getting away from the fact that we are short of defenders as far as numbers are concerned. The reason for the worry on the forums is possible injuries for thats when the strength of a squad is really tested and we haven't been exactly lucky with injuries to put it mildly. At the same time the six defenders we have are decent in quality - thats fairly established and we have four months to go before the next transfer window. Did we try to sign another defender and/or defensive midfielder and fail or did we not try at all. The answer is probably the former. We also know that the manager is not the type of person who likes to recruit anyone outside his shortlist of players in any position. It does seem like we will try to reinforce the squad in four months with another player but yes it will be tougher to pull off given its mid season. Its not all rosy but neither is it disastrous yet.
Deltaforce
I think Arsenal will hopefully be good for Welbeck, whenever I've seen him speak he comes across as a grounded, likeable hard working young man - the opposite of Balotelli then. It's a relief to have resolved this issue although again it's an issue that is not new, we all held our collective breath every time Giroud hit the deck clutching a lower limb last season. Arsene can talk up his forward options all he likes but his actions spoke louder than words when a striker was signed. Near to impossible to argue that Welbeck was a long term target for the club though, as ever we waited at the bar until the end of the night, pacing ourselves drink wise, then just before the music stops and the lights come up we sidle up to the fittest single girl left and try our luck, that's exactly all that it is, any list has long been ripped up and trampled underfoot on the dancefloor. Welcome to Arsenal anyway Danny!
nikolaijns
"Near to impossible to argue that Welbeck was a long term target for the club though" - I don't know, Niko, I could have a go... We've all seen him play for club and country for a number of years, Wenger may well have been discussing with his agent for a number of months or years, may have enquired about him when RvP went the other way; may have bid for him a month ago and been delayed until United knew what was happening with Falcao... none of that above the realms of possibility.
damiano_tommassi
It's all speculation of course no one outside of Wenger and a few key aides knows and that's precisely the way he likes it. I don't think anyone can have that incredible success rate, Welbeck Ozil Arteta the list of last day signings goes on, the far more likely scenario is we act on the fly, Wenger will receive a call, player A is available do you want him?..... how much?.... 20 million......No......Brrring Brrring.....'Allo?....Player B is available do you want him?.....how much?......16 million....oui d'accord. That is how we roll as time runs out, off the cuff, spontaneous, thinking on our feet and taking the last day of the sale. We are opportunists, chancers. it may not sit well but it's hard to argue, not one of our players has ever mentioned that negotiations and enquiries had started months before. Welbeck said he has 'envisioned' playing for Arsenal for some time but it's platitudes, sweet nothings designed to tickle our feet and endear us to him, he is saying we won the FA cup last year and seems to be right at home already which is great to see but if negotiations had gone on sometime do you really think his Mr 20% or any of our players' agents that arrived late would've not taken the opportunity to go live with it? It's just not feasible at all but I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. I'm a harsh realist though and faced with the history and evidence over the years this is my conclusion.
nikolaijns
All of it is possible. Sure. But at the risk of being accused of being bonkers I do recall Wenger stating to the press after Giroud's injury "You will ask me straight away who we will buy. I give you the answer ... no-one,". He then went into a long explanation about how he had an unbelievable array of striking talent at his disposal. So that's either kidology, blatent fibbing or maybe just a last minute opportunistic purchase. Either way, its virtually guaranteed to ignite the touchpaper under fans who pay through the nose to watch this team have a decent tilt at silverware. No one is expecting promises or the club to bankrupt itself in doing so.
Wyn Mills
Another example Mikel Arteta. Long term target to replace Fabregas? Ridiculous no, opportunistic rather desperate late in the day lunge? Most likely. Here is how this scenario most likely played out: Arteta has his feet up at home fully prepared with the season underway to remain at Everton, Arsenal have been lurching from pillar to post but to no avail. Now even more panicked after suffering a horrendous defeat at Old Trafford Arsenal contact Everton, who are understandably extremely reluctant to lose such a key midfielder with no time to replace. Arsenal contact Artetas' agent, they tell him this is a once only offer it will not be there come January and that Arteta has to help drive through the deal himself by stating to Moyes and the club that he wants to leave. That is how that deal went down, no one knew of it the day before or in any way planned for it. It's not befitting for a club our size of course it's not and we do achieve business thankfully in other ways but it is now a Wenger hallmark and he will always take something to the wire, it's just how he is. We may drop 2 points as a result here or there between the opening day of the season and the window closing but that is something he is prepared to live with in order to drive down asking prices.
nikolaijns
It was likely kidology Wyn. He can't very well turn around and say yes we are interested in 3 potential players and their names are... Arsenal fans have to understand that when Wenger talks to the media he does just that talk to the media, people that want him to say the wrong thing or slip up or to twist his words, he's always said at the same time that the club will be busy to the end, that's when he's talking to the Arsenal fans, actions speak louder than words and whilst he wanted to give confidence and boost the likes of Sanogo, Podolski and Campbell it's pretty apparent he has little confidence in at least the latter two. Both I think fully expected to be out the door come Monday, Podolski certainly played like a player whose head was elsewhere when he played the last 15 mins against Leicester. If you believe it Campbell was 2M euros shy of being a Benfica player, Benfica reportedly very disgruntled at being led down the garden path and strung along in a deal that we pulled at the last minute.
nikolaijns
Hey Niko.
No, I agree with you, we don't know; we have both presented possibilties, but can't know. I was looking forward to seeing what Welbeck had to say to try and get an idea of how and what he's thinking; must be hard to be (basically) kicked-out of a club you've been at since you were 8 and worked hard to get into the first-team squad by a manger who's been there ten minutes.
RE: your Wenger quote - he said "I give you the answer - at the moment, no-one.". You (or your source, perhaps) omitted 'at the moment'.
RE: Arteta; 'Here is how this scenario most likely played out... Now even more panicked after suffering a horrendous defeat at Old Trafford' - I don't think that your scenario is the most likely, personally, and of all the people in any way associated with Arsenal, AW strikes me as one of the least likely to panic, especially in light of his recent comments, along the lines of 'the answer when you use a game is not always to buy a player.'
Agree about kidology to an extent; there are things that he can't say for the sake of the club - either player morale or transfer prices. As an example, 'we desperately need a striker, because I can't count on Theo, Poldi, Alexis, Yaya or Joel' could be reasonably expected to demoralise the players listed and raise the price for Welbeck.
damiano_tommassi
Mancunian master race
ajwb
I read the transcript of Welbeck's first interview at Arsenal myself and with regards to the argument as to whether he was a last minute panic buy or discussions gone on for days, with only the prospects of United getting in a placatory replacement, the only reason for the delay, read what you like into this excerpt: "It went right down to the wire in the end. It's difficult to say how I felt at the [different] times of each day because the deal was on and then it was off but at the end of the day I'm an Arsenal player and I couldn't be any happier at the moment". ....at "the different times of EACH DAY suggests discussions started days before deadline day. Is there so much wrong with that, if City and Chelsea also did some business in the last 2 days? (Remy, Negredo)?
Naijagunner
When I say 'even more panicked' don't get me wrong I mean the club as a whole not necessarily Wenger, I don't expect him to panic, why would he? even with a result like that his job was never at stake, how can it be when you employ your own boss? By his own admission he is oblivious to the moods surrounding the club, to the feeling of the support. He's his own man and respect due, no one can kowtow to social media or blogs. But with the likes of Fabregas and Nasri our main creative hubs out of the door and no one in, it's not obtuse to feel the rising panic from others at the club more attuned to the groundswell of discontent and unrest. I seem for some reason to keep coming back to that godawful day so It has obviously scarred me greater than I thought lol but with only 3 days left to do business on the 28th August 2011 and the first team in a state of utter disarray. I don't feel the word panic is far off the mark at all. Talk to anyone manning the phones on those 3 days and I'm sure if they were being honest panic would be an understatement. Anyway it is done let's live in the now.
nikolaijns
Falcao was touted for a move to City or Arsenal. Both backed off at the cost of the deal, including option of purchase at the end of the loan period. United are in a desperate situation and got involved, showed willingness to pay and only after that deal was fully wrapped up did the Welbeck deal get to be sanctioned.
Naijagunner
@ naija no one is disputing that there was likely discussion and negotiations before the 31st August, did it go back weeks? unlikely months? no. Did it happen beofore giroud got injured? Well that's the question isn't it? We are a reactive club it strikes me so my bet would be 100% no, especially after 35 million on Sanchez, I would bet my house on that, so we're looking at a deal to be made in the last fortnight or so in reaction to an injury that most knew would leave us in the crap, an injury that could've happened any time last season too with the same debilitating effect. It all depends on your definition of just what a panic signing is. We've had two seasons to sort adequate cover or competition for Giroud yet we wait until he is injured before getting down to the wire for another striker, if it's not a panic signing then again it's a situation bereft of foresight and planning which by the grace of Dennis just happened to occur when we could fix it. We could have so easily been shafted in the way Benfica were with Campbell, we have been before with the specious one and Demba Ba.
nikolaijns
Niko, to be fair, for the top targets, this approach may be the norm. Do you think Di Maria was a long term target for ManU? Obviously his situation changed with the recent summer signings and he became available. So I would not criticise Arsenal or Wenger for that. When the opportunity did come up with Welbeck (and that happened only 1 day before, with Falcao's signing), did we capitalise on that? The answer is yes, so I cant be critical. Same with Ozil - he became available only bcoz Madrid signed Bale.
prits
For a top club like Arsenal, we cannot go into the season hoping for an injury free season as a worst case plan. Wenger did that with Rvp 3 seasons back, with Giroud last season - it paid off, but it was a huge gamble - we had our hearts in our mouth every time they would go down in a challenge. Doing that now with the centre back situation is a high risk strategy which will look good if it comes off, but it's not really essential. Signing a centre back would have given this squad a stronger feel, even if the CB was a young kid (in addition to Chambers). This squad feels short on numbers in defence. If we had retained Jenkinson, I would have still been ok. But letting him go on loan, in addition to Vermaelen & Miquel and signing only Chambers, gives me little confidence.
prits
That's been my point all along prits. Sometimes it just feels like we gamble too much on not picking up injuries. For a club of our size, our injury record and the fact we are spread over several competitions there's an argument we could be better prepared. Is Welbeck Top Top Top quality, or is he a sticking plaster for Giroud? Time will tell. I'm actually very happy the club have reacted to this mini-crisis, but I do feel we've kind of put ourselves in that situation.
Wyn Mills
Wenger said he had A LOT of strikers, not that he had an "an unbelievable array of striking talent". We have 8 strikers now. That is a lot. Is it not possible that he wanted to give Sanogo a game upfront to see if he was up to the job, found he wasn't ready and then decided to buy a new CF?

I also think we are light at the back in terms of numbers though not quality. That's not the issue - the issue is whether there is anyone good enough that we could have got, and whether we are unlike any other side in not having much depth there. Manolas wanted a guaranteed starting place, not "playing time". TV was unhappy and had already stuck it out for 18 months. AW now regards Chambers as CB cover - he didn't when he bought him, but he does now. It's not that anyone is saying, oh, great decision not to buy more CB cover, it's that he didn't decide not to get more, he couldn't get more. The opportunity to buy the players Arsene would like to buy does not necessarily coincide with the availability of those players. Be honest, if we hadn't sold TV, you'd be complaining that our CB cover beyond Chambers was an injured, injury-prone 29-year-old.

We signed Welbeck to replace the injured Giroud. So why should we have tried to sign him before Giroud was even injured?

Wenger does not employ IG. IG negotiates the contracts of players on behalf of Arsenal Football Club, not on Arsene's behalf.

Mikel Arteta himself said recently in an interview for Arsenal.com that he had had opportunities previously to join Arsenal which had not worked out. So he was a long-term target. He may never have been no1 target, or his club may have been very resistant, but 2011 was not the first time we tried to buy him. He was a long-term target.

There seems to be a bit of confusion about what a panic buy is. An opportunity arising late in the window does not a panic buy make.

Also, the Welbeck and Ozil deals were not the same. AW or IG (I forget which) was told in May 2013 that if Real Madrid could get Bale in, Ozil would be sold. AW had tried to by Ozil on at least two earlier occasions. From May, IG and Dick Law were in contact with Ozil's agent and RM, being updated and keeping them onside, and AW was phoning Ozil to keep him sweet. Interesting tidbit: towards the end of the Bale negotiations, Levy got wind of the fact that "a premier league club" was in for Ozil. The Sp*ds negotating team bumped into the Arsenal team in a corridor at RM. Levy tried to a) drag out the Bale deal until it was too late for any Ozil deal to be completed and b) get RM to agree not to sell Ozil to an PL side. He failed on both counts, obviously.

FunGunner
Niko - couldn't agree more with your sentiments, glad you're back and putting them forward with your customary eloquence and wit! Maybe new baby induced sleep deprivation is clouding my thinking, but could you foresee a situation where we're in a title challenge playing one of our rivals and someone, most likely Jose, says to Costa go and stick on one Mertesacker and leave him battered and bruised given AFC don't have any real cover. Wouldn't put that past that scummy Mourinho.
Gooner_Vin
@gooner vin........do u think mourinho has fallen to wenger standards of injuring fellow opposition players ... he never does such bullshet ...u will be crushed by mancity n chelsea one way or other ... n if u have lack of backups its ur own fault ....
gary777
If Mourinho thinks nothing of eye gouging an opposing fellow managerial staffer suffering from cancer before cowardly slinking away then I don't think much can be ruled out with him really gary? If he has a moral compass its broken and stuck on south.
nikolaijns
I won't bother asking for your list of players that Wenger has karate chopped, roundhoused and maimed however as it's apparent you are cranially compromised.
nikolaijns
It's all conjecture but in my opinion a directive to injure an opponents player has probably happened before. Unless you believe that Phil and Gary Neville had the wherewithal to take it upon themselves to kick Reyes out of the game thus halting the 49 game run. I can't really see how that order didn't come from Ferguson.
nikolaijns
Not to mention still persisting with his broken fisher price spell & punctuation checker.
Chippy Brady
Have to agree with Prits. For top top players, they are rarely long time targets. For example, can you think of Messi being a long term target of any club in the world? No. If he becomes available, sure pounce on it. Overall happy with the window. While I would have preferred one more body in CB - I think we have some players who can "do a job" there. Overall, pretty excited.
Sajit
I can only assume AW feels confident that Monreal can do a job as a CB. I've not seen enough of him at CB to have an opinion on it myself. At the same AW may also feel that Isaac Hayden is ready to step up. I think Wenger is right, you have to give youth players a chance sometimes to prove themselves in the first team otherwise you'll never know if they are good enough. Sometimes it pays off like Gnabry last season but often it doesn't. I think we did try to get a CB in but didn't push too hard because we had options already at the club. Also Wellbeck is going to be fantastic for us but it might take some time for him to get settled. The fans will warm to him and he will warm to the club.
bowiecokemirror
FG - was there someone good enough to be 3rd or 4th choice centre back?! Are you saying that there was no one? I don't buy that argument. If the team at Arsenal cannot identify someone and close the deal for a 3rd or 4th choice CB, given that they had 3 weeks (once TV left), there is a strong hint of incompetence there. And it looks like there were targets - Manolas for one. If you cannot sign him, you need to have a back up, then another back up, and another back up till you sign a player as cover for the defence.
prits
Prits, wholeheartedly agree with that.......
Chippy Brady
ur team was clearly physically abusing everton when they were two goals down .... u can call it football but its not .... n plz does the moral compass in la liga point in the right direction .... its a league where only barca play with 11players n 3 refs in one team :P
gary777
Prints, how many good defenders (I didn't even say top class) would wish to sign knowing they are to be 3rd or 4th choice? It is on record that Manolas wanted to be guaranteed a starting place, which no one will do, unless you are in United's position; Sokratis would want similar guarantees as he starts games for Dortmund at the moment, in the absence of Subotic, plus we were placed in same CL group which put paid to that possibility. Now, the available names would not cheer up most gooners and may not be upgrades on Monreal, Hayden or any of the back-ups we have. It is precarious, considering our injury records, but it isn't unimaginable that we enjoy a good level of fitness until January.
Naijagunner
There would be a strong hint of incompetence that resulted in a decision that just adds numbers to the defensive squad. Wenger's competence is questioned as much by many for signing 4th choice or back up CBs like Squillaci, Silvestre, Cygan. We already have 3 or 4th choice Cbs. The fact is though, unless we're trying to argue that we haven't replaced Jenkinson we have the same defensive resources as last season which by and large were handled competently. It seems pretty competent to me that if you don't believe you can bring in resources that are better than what you have to wait until an opportunity presents itself when you can. Incompetence would be buying just for the sake of adding bodies.
Amos.
I'm not sure what point is made about our transfer spending by citing what is received from player sales. Player sales are just another income source like ticket sales, broadcasting or sales of pies. All the money you receive from sales of player contracts has to be used to discharge liabilities first and what is available for spending is what is left after those liabilities have been settled. If you get £10m for selling a player you won't have £10m to spend. But the issue is relative spending and the £235m spent in the last 4 years is as much as our gross spend for the previous 12 seasons combined. However if net spend is more important to you as a measure of spending then the net spend for the last 4 years is double the combined net spend for all the previous years since Wenger joined the club. Gross spend is a better measure for a number of reasons but net spend is by far the more flattering figure from the club's/manager's perspective.
Amos.
The point is that it only tells one side of the story doesn't it? If you spend say 50 million on say 3 players then great, that looks very impressive and it's a club going in the right direction and shows great ambition. If however in that same window you have made 75 million on selling 3 players say a star striker, a key creative midfielder and your captain a CB then all of a sudden that 50 million spent doesn't look quite so impressive or ambitious anymore does it? It's all relative, player acquisitions and sales are linked you can't just trumpet one without giving the fuller rounder picture, especially with a club like ours where such a large debt has meant to keep costs down the playing staff have often been children and star payers sold. The previous four seasons prior to the four you have mentioned for instance show a net profit made of 14.3 million in player transfers, which would mean in the last 8 years we have had an average net spend of 8.5 million per season. When you look at it like that then really this season of a net spend of 56.3 million just had to happen at some point. My point is about how figures can easily be massaged to back opnions and I'm just showing what was it you used to call it? the contrarian view? That in the last 8 years we have had a net spend of 8.5 million per season.
nikolaijns
So because I like nice round numbers if we were to round it up to a decade - which would take us to the the start of the last season before leaving Highbury - the average spend over a 10 year period at Arsenal taking into account all player purchases and all player sales is 5.5 million per season. I have too say with that kind of paltry net expenditure that it is pretty damn impressive we have never dropped out of Europes' prestige cup qualifying places once in that time. But conversely it's also the reason (and yes we all understand why so please spare that spiel anyone that was thinking of typing that essay!) that we have not troubled much in terms of sustained title challenges during this decade.
nikolaijns
If you sell players for £75m you don't necessarily or usually make £75m as there will be contract liabilities still to be discharged. It's a bit like selling a house without paying off the mortgage. All that you have to spend is the profit you make each year. I agree that it is all relative which is why I've posted the fuller, rounder picture. The gross spend over the last 4 seasons, since Kroenke took control, is as much as as the previous 12 seasons combined - if you wish to include player sales then the net spending in the last 4 seasons is double what has been spent in the previous 14 seasons, going back to when Wenger joined the club. An even more impressive stat. The 4 seasons you've selected coincide with the net debt, and in particular short term debt payable in less than one year, being at their highest levels. If you're talking fuller rounder pictures then you can't avoid taking that into account and factoring that into spending patterns. Similarly the point is that the club has continued to spend consistently at similarly high levels in each of the last 4 seasons since then and seems to have retained the capacity to continue to do so if its needed. That consistency should look impressive and ambitious enough for most observers. Spuds might have looked impressive and ambitious spending £100m last season but it looks less so now. The spending this season is not your net spend figure but the willingness of the club to accept the additional liability that the gross spend puts on top of existing liabilities, which are only partially discharged by players sales this season, of some £20m plus a season which has to come out of future revenues of which future players sales may form a part.
Amos.
we have had this topic for like 98786 times. to gauge a person's net worth, its always assets minus liabilities = net; a company's financial performance, revenue minus costs = net; a country's economic performance, exports minus imports = net; government's efficiency, budget deficit / surplus = net. investing and reinvestment are two different terms. one is not richer if he receives 50k into his account if the 50k is a loan
Joe_@**
Well I'm sure between friends we can wipe of those extra contract liability costs eh? :) knowing Arsenal they would be the bare minimum, especially as we also continued to make profits on players even when other clubs were selling them on, what was it 7 million off Bentley 5 or 6 now with Fabregas to the Chavs, not to mention the rising costs of the sales from add ons and clauses we had built in as the players sold went on to win titles. Fabregas himself paid us 1 million euros per year for 5 years out of his own wage lol, How much extra did utd have to pay us when RVP won them the league? Or city when they won the league with Nasri in his 1st season there? Again I wouldn't worry too much about your contract liabilities mate I think we've more than covered those ;)
nikolaijns
Don't worry Cesc only another 2 years and you'll be debt free from us son!
nikolaijns
I'm not at all worried about contract liabilities as the club understands them perfectly so they'll deal with forward liabilities ok. So much so that they'll have the capacity to spend consistently as and when they need to. Pretty impressive and ambitious of them too. I'm not sure that's much of a stick to beat them with. Other decisions are more costly. Arshavin was a dead weight cost wise met partly out of other player trading. Others like Arteta will also have no residual contract value. What you buy and on what terms is important for any business. ManU might have got a league title out of RvP but he is just the type of short term buy that might well have cost them a CL place and are now having to spend loads of money trying to buy it back. Did City win the title because they bought Nasri or did they spend almost £500m over 4 years before they bought a title? Remember we were supposed to be talking full and rounded pictures here! :)
Amos.
Hence the definite distinction I made between 'rvp winning utd the league' and 'city when they won the league with Nasri'. What cost utd their CL place was an atrociously managed managerial handover and a damning indictment of letting a hugely successful manager choose his successor, with Fergusons' ego putting his own legacy before the good of the club, the result a hapless ginger rabbit in the headlights and a crash out of Europe. Let's see what happens in the next 4 years before any yardstick of Arsenal ambition can truly be gauged. Are we on the right track? most definitely. Do we still cut corners? most definitely. Ha re Arshavin you can't resist it can you! whilst it's good to see something Arsenal that can really p1$$ you off (lord knows you gotta love him for that alone!) yes he had no resale value, yes he ended up a lazy tubby little half pint wastrel. But some things cannot be quantified, pre Arshavin that winter Arsenal were pretty low and the troops' morale was at a low ebb, him coming in recharged us, gave us a lift and got us into 4th, I know you'll try to dismiss his influence but some things are unquantifiable and we may not be looking at the 17 years straight qualification without him.
nikolaijns
I don't have to dismiss Arshavin's influence. The evidence is quantifiable enough. He made no difference to us ending in 4th that season. We would still have done so with slightly less average points per game than we were achieving before he joined! Completely dead money buy that one. Wouldn't have made any difference to Abramovich or Mansour but most certainly very costly for us.
Amos.
Yes the evidence is quantifiable enough 6 goals and 9 assists in 15 appearances for the remainder of that season and a tonic to morale. Yes it was costly, most definitely added on to our 5.5 million per season outlay for that decade. in fact without him it would've taken it down to 4 million per season outlay in 10 years!! The thieving little dwarf! heaven knows I bet you hope he's miserable now.
nikolaijns
4 of those 6 goals were in a game we drew as I recall. Another was in a game we were romping anyway. I agree he gave us something to cheer about but the fact remains that as at the time a record buy he had absolutely no impact on whatsoever on our playing fortunes but cost us with wages about £10m a year for the time he was with us that we had to earn elsewhere. He was more of a drain than Bendtner, Denilson, Chamakh and Eboue combined. I know you like to support the club come what may niko but you really should accept that they do get things badly wrong sometimes and Arshavin was a costly mistake, a panic buy at a time we were least able to make one. ;)
Amos.
Personally there's something I quite liked about him, I like the fact he was quite obviously a manic depressive, I like the fact he complained that the food here was $41t then proceeded to pile on the pounds, he just seemed human not some homogenous media trained bot coached to not put a colourful boot wrong. I liked the thunder***** he roasted home at old Trafford, I liked the skilful winner curled in at the end of the most devastating counter you will ever see vs Barca, it just seems the main reason you hold things against him is his cost, plenty of players we've picked up for next to nout have been utter *********s of the highest order adebayor, anelka, Bentley it's a pretty long list but it's the little Russian you reserve the most contempt for, purely because he failed to live up to a price tag.
nikolaijns
The only thing I hold against him was that he was a crap player and nicked a living off us for far too long. Adebayor may not have given us much but he earned his wages while he was with us starting more games and scoring twice as many goals. Even Denilson started and played more games than Arshavin did. Bendtner spent much of his time out on loan and still made more appearances and scored more goals. For what he cost us and what we paid him in wages he ripped us off that's why I have less regard for him than the players who at least tried to contribute something for what they took off us.
Amos.
Snarks at Bendtner eboue chamakh and denilson now too btw, who knew there was so much pent up frustration under that aloof detached exterior? I think this is good for you, go on let it all out.
nikolaijns
I've nothing against any of those four. I quite liked Eboue in fact. Shame he couldn't defend. Bit of a handicap for a full back that. Even Denilson had his positive qualities though never quite enough to fill the role we needed from him. Bendtner tried but his head doesn't work as it should. Chamakh was just a low cost gamble. No I can see more merit in each of them than I can in the lazy useless little Russian.
Amos.
There is no difference in merit between chamakh and Arshavin . Both had a promising start at Arsenal both fell apart quite awfully, it's no more Chamakhs fault we waited til his Bordeaux contract ran down and picked him up for nothing than it is Arshavins' fault that he cost the club £15 million. Coincidentally both downturns in fortune occurred with the return to fitness of Van Persie.
nikolaijns
Prophetically as it turned out in the comments section to an article I wrote praising Arshavin just after he joined us someone claiming to be a Russian who had seen lots of his games warned that he would prove to be a big disappointment after a few games. "...when he gets guaranteed place he won't make an impact on a game. You all will see the biggest disappointment at his second season." he said. That was one Wenger and Co either didn't do enough digging into or thought they could change him. It was a mistake that probably had a negative impact on our transfer capability for a couple of seasons or so at that time.
Amos.
Apparently Arsene has been dropped as a commentator from the French network he was working for. Something about not offering enough with his 'minimalist' approach. Gazidis should take heed - he's had a minimalist approach to managing Arsenal for years. That said, I think Welbeck was a Gazidis signing, and a good one. Welbeck will be the anti-Sylvester. Five months, five years from now Manure fans will be wondering what their long-since-fired manager Vn Gaal was thinking by selling England's best striker to a rival. Or not. I think he's a good signing and I would take him over Loic Remy. When I heard the Remy rumours I thought, "he's okay but surely we can do batter?" and then when I heard we'd signed Welbeck I was totally happy. We could have (or not according to reports) got Falcao on loan for a year for more that Danny cost on a permanent. I think Gazidis, sorry, Arsene, made the right call on this one. Of course knowing Arsene, he'll continue to play the useless one up front and shift Welbeck to right back.Okay, here's the story - if only Ivan was so bold. http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/09/04/minimalist-arsenal-boss-arsene-wenger-dropped-as-analyst-by-french-tv-channel/158882/?
elbondo
arshavin came to us when he was 27 and had been playing a free role behind a striker for almost his entire career prior. we have a rigid system here were wingers are expected to track back to cover for the fullbacks which he failed to adapt. i am not saying he was fantastic for us but no doubt he was a supremely talented footballer. lets examine his stats. in his 143 appearances for us, he scored 31 goals & made 41 assists, i.e. 0.22 goals/apps and 0.28 asst/apps. his stats before he came to us read as 0.24 goals/apps and 0.35 asst/apps. there were slight drop in the ratios but given that the epl is much tougher than the russian league and he was not playing in his preferred position, yet still recorded about 50% chance of scoring/making a goal in each game he started for us, it was really not too bad. comparing to ozil who appeared 45 games for us so far, scored 7 and made 14 assists his ratios read as 0.16 goals/apps and 0.31 asst/apps. that's about 47% chance of scoring/making a goal per game. same applies to ozil now, he is struggling with his defensive duty too. so i guess we shouldn't be overly critical towards arshavin.
Joe_@**
on another note, podolski made 80 appearances for us, scored 31 and made 19 assists. his ratios are 0.39 goals/game & 0.24 asst/game. his total impact is 0.63 goals or asst per game. for a record, he scored 6 goals in 6 start for us in the fa cup. that was a very significant contribution to our fa cup title. i just dont understand why he is so under utilised. some may argue that we are not seeing things that wenger is seeing on the training ground. i guess there are many players who take it less serious in training but always perform in real games, and it's the performance in real games that count
Joe_@**
Podolski's stats look even better when you consider how many times he has played 90 minutes for us. I'm guessing that with Poldi, much as I like him as a character, it's what he can't do that counts against him in a team game. Not just here either. I like the idea of having him come off the bench though. A third of Arshavins appearances were as a sub too though he usually had less of an impact than Poldi. But if you're basing judgements on such stats alone Bendtner was a pretty good player for us too!
Amos.
i think it's fairly reliable to use such stats. arshavin, ozil & podolski started mostly from the flank (left). i tried to be as consistent as possible in my approach. we could compare bendtner, rvp & giroud in their position as a striker too. bendtner (apps: 163, goals: 47, asst: 20); rvp (apps: 276, goals: 132, asst: 53); giroud (apps: 102, goals: 41, asst: 20). thus bendtner had 0.29 goals/game & 0.12 asst/game; rvp had 0.48 goals/game & 0.19 asst/game; giroud had had 0.40 goals/game & 0.20 asst/game. i am sure most would agree rvp > giroud > bendtner
Joe_@**
The stats are fine for what they are but Podolski has played 4261 minutes for the club so far and Arshavin played 8691 minutes. Bendtner 8617 minutes but was used wide right quite often. Ozil 3478 minutes. One in four of AA's assists came in domestic cup games (mainly the league cup). There's a lot more information to join up when looking at such data though in all honesty nobody should need stats to come to the conclusion that RvP is a better striker than Bendtner or Giroud. Though he only became a 'front' striker as he describes it at the age of 26.
Amos.
my opinion is any ratio of goals or asst per game of 0.6 and above is consider good for an attacking player. if we scrutinize rvp's stats for the final 3 seasons he played for us; apps: 99, goals: 68, asst: 24, his ratios read as 0.67 goals/game & 0.24 asst/game. that was a mind blowing 91% chance he would make an impact either by scoring or making a goal in each game he played
Joe_@**
I understand your opinion Joe but I still prefer to look at such stats based on playing time rather than appearances as they are less misleading. On which basis Podolski seems to be a significantly greater contributor than either Arshavin or Bendtner. As I say though you shouldn't need stats to appreciate RvP's impact.
Amos.
such data could simply be divided on the minutes played to make comparisons. my guess is they wouldn't be too far off. on rvp being a front striker at 26, my answer is, he was nurtured through the system from a very young age. also, wenger has always develop his strategy around a key player i.e. henry, fabregas, rvp & now giroud. rvp was given the liberty to roam, more like a free role and everything went through him. thus it was easier for him compared many others, even ozil
Joe_@**
'Welbeck was a Gazidis purchase' - yes, to all the avid readers of Myles Palmer that may sound true but not to others.
Deltaforce
Myles Palmer is a tw*t. His latest column claims Gazidis bought Arshavin in 2008 (he signed at the end of jan 2009) and that Wenger didn't mention Arshavin for 3 weeks afterwards. In fact BBC news has a direct quote from Wenger on the day he signed. He also makes the same silly claim that Arshavin got us into that seasons CL whereas we would still have done so comfortably enough with the same average ppg that we were achieving before he signed. Arshavin was Wenger's misjudgement, understandable as it was because of Rosicky's injury, and not Gazidis'
Amos.
Don't u guys think that it's a bit strange that AW has not given a single comment about Welbeck until now??!
princeoflove909
The signing was only confirmed on Tuesday. There aren't any convenient press conferences scheduled as we're in the interlull and Welbeck is with the England squad so no formal unveiling ceremony when everyone is in the same place at the same time. What is strange is that anyone should think there's anything strange about it.
Amos.
Do you think that Wenger needs a press conference to comment on his deadline day signing to Arsenal official website? I certainly don't, For instance when we signed Alexis on the 10th of July (when AW was away in Brazil) in the same piece of news confirming his signature on our official website, Wenger was giving his thoughts about the signing. I didn't say that it was a Gazidis signing as some ppl claim but I just think that it's a bit strange.
princeoflove909
Extending this analogy to other clubs, one ******** see LVG personally welcoming and commenting on the Marcos Rojo and Ander Herrera transfers. Welbeck is a very much a Wenger kind of player - not just a fox in the box. A delay in commenting on the transfer from the manager in the interlull is unfortunately lending credence to a conspiracy theory which does the club no good.
Deltaforce
Yes yes Arsene here let me help you with the bags, have a lovely time in Rome sir, make sure you drop a couple of 'I didn't see its' when reffing to give everyone some lighthearted relief, yes Arsene I have the instructions here 1. Get Zigic he's free. Yes sounds like a great plan sir, not one that could serve our balls up as falafels to the entire footballing world, yes I can hear the fans chanting his name now 'zig ah zig ah zigah zigic aaarrggggh' Here let me get the car door for you sir, yes I'll be straight onto Zigic' agent now, ok.. bye.....,byee....ciao....**car drives off into distance** Brring bring.....Yo woody, word it's Gaz what's the weather like up there still raining? cool cool, listen how much for Welbeck? 16's yeah? sweet you gotta deal Eddy baby, laters.
nikolaijns
As a story it doesn't really do the club any harm Deltaforce. It's a bit schizophrenic for sites like Le Grove and other naysayers who have argued for ages that Wenger has too much power to now suggest there's something at fault if someone else did sign Welbeck. But whoever did sign him it couldn't have been Ivan because he hasn't spoken about it either and that seems to be all the evidence that's needed. However Wilshere has done so I guess he must have been the one to have sorted the deal. Then again Mesut has said something about hoping Welbeck scores lots of goals when welcoming him on twitter and it doesn't really get more conclusive than if it's on twitter now does it.
Amos.
This is all so crazy....the issue of whether it is Wenger or not, who has made the call to sign Danny. Now, we can also throw in the unusual failure to speak of the newbie by the manager and you have even more permutations of some sinister goings on at the club. What doesn't matter who signed the player, anyway? He is a gunner, that's all that matters to me and when the team are back in training after the break, we shall know what the manager thinks. Personally, I have no doubt this has Wenger written all over it.
Naijagunner
I don't doubt Wenger signed the boy either, not for a second. Some people are so desperate to find a reason to criticise our manager...
damiano_tommassi
A lack of public words is seen as evidence that this was not a Wenger signing. Doesn't make sense to me. Of course he was involved in the transfer.
prits
Amos - in response to your earlier post, we're on the same page in terms of adding bodies just for the sake of it. It is a balance that Wenger & Gazidis need to get right in terms of numbers & quality (that's their job). Last season, we were very lucky in terms of injuries to our 1st choice, and if we go through another season with the same luck, then I will have no problem. Where we disagree is that I cannot believe that there is no single player out there (who is available) who is better than our current 4th choice CB (Isaac Hayden or Nacho Monreal). To me, there is either a strong hint of incompetence (i.e. we know that there is an issue but we cannot solve it) or an appetite for high risk (i.e. we know the issue and are willing to risk an entire season with the bodies we have). I cannot whole heartedly support either option.
prits
I'm quite sure there are better players out there prits. In most supporters eyes there are always better options for all our players. I'm less sure that they are available to us in any real sense or that those that would be willing to stand in front of Isaac Hayden as 4th choice centre back would be worth signing. Equally I'm pretty certain that there are a great deal more available who aren't as good as either Monreal or Hayden might be at playing the role. I accept there's a risk in injuries. To some degree there always will be. I seem to remember we were without left backs at one point despite having four able to play the role in the squad. Incompetence is not in knowing there's a problem and failing to solve it within a given transfer window it's believing that you've solved the problem simply because you've brought a player in. The present situation isn't ideal as I've said before but it is manageable until the next transfer window or player development provides the opportunity to resolve it.
Amos.
Welbeck has just scored for England, SO THERE.
julieloveshenry4ever
He got both goals. That is something he's been doing to be honest. His work rate was also commendable. The best news is that both he and Jack would return unscathed. Diaby, Theo, Arteta, Gibbs and Ospina....all back to fitness. Happy days.
Naijagunner
 

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3. Man City 11 6 3 2 10 21
4. West Ham 11 5 3 3 5 18
5. Swansea 11 5 3 3 4 18
6. Arsenal 11 4 5 2 6 17
7. Man Utd 11 4 4 3 3 16
8. Newcastle 11 4 4 3 -2 16
9. Stoke 11 4 3 4 -1 15

Breaking League News

Campbell Joins Hartlepool
» Newcastle : 21/11/2014 23:41:00
Lawro Predicts Thrashing Win For Manchester City
» Swansea : 21/11/2014 21:01:00
Pre-Match News & Stats: Man City vs Swansea City
» Swansea : 21/11/2014 20:52:00
Liverpool: Lawro Predicts 2014-15 - Palace (Away)
» Liverpool : 21/11/2014 19:00:00
Swansea City Eye Striker Loan In January
» Swansea : 21/11/2014 18:56:00

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