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The Boys From Brazil

Nick Hornby talks at length in Fever Pitch about how your team's fortunes can sometimes reflect your own. Is this the product of an obsessive mind or an example of fate glimpsing from behind the cloak? Well whatever, Arsenal's sudden propensity to defeat coinciding with a couple of weeks of ill health for myself (in fact, I picked up a throat and chest infection the night we trounced Bolton at the Reebok), it's difficult not to feel that Arsenal's recent travails have reflected my own. So when my Grandad fell and dislocated his shoulder on Thursday, my mood hardly improved. Then on Friday night, an amusing yet frustrating 'industrial accident' occurred. Thanks to my pursuit of all things Arsenal, poverty decrees that I cut my own hair, in a moment of absent minded stupour I forgot to reattach the blade to my clippers and the upshot is that I am now bald as a coot and looking not too dissimilar to Villarreal's defensive lynchpin Pascal Cygan (or a rather more cheerful Billy Corgan for any Smashing Pumpkins fans out there). Predictably, I was serenaded with more than one rendition of 'Are You Britney in disguise?' on my journey to meet my friends in the public house last night!

Come match day, I did not feel confident about this one at all. With morale in the team low and the cue for the treatment table at London Colney resembling a Rio de Janeiro conga line, I felt Reading may become the first side to beat us at the Grove. My matchday began in unconventional fashion. You may remember a few weeks back, I posted some pictures from the opening of the Supporters Services Bureau, well following a write up of the evening I produced for the Gooner fanzine (no plug intended), I was kindly invited by head of Supporters Services Sue Campbell for a behind the scenes look at the work the staff do for Supporters Services, not to mention a sneak preview of upcoming projects. I am hoping to have something on the gooner website in the week about my findings (subject to editorial approval). I will post the lonk here as and when. Anyways, having had the strange sensation of celebrating a last minute winner for United in the Tavern (I really do not want Chelsea winning the league), I made my way to the ground with the sharp easterly wind feeling even more prominent against my unguarded skull.

The match began in a fairly tepid fashion, it was easy to decipher that confidence was low as the passing was not executed with the same joie de vivre. Walcott began upfront and looked lively early on, using his pace to cause Ingimarsson problems. Penetration from the full backs was largely absent, Djourou is a centre half by trade and Clichy, manning the touchline down below me, was clearly suffering with his foot injury, not only was he not making his overlapping runs, but even more uncharacteristically, he did not want the ball on his left foot. Baptista buzzed with opportunism, dropping deep to collect the ball and feed the onrushing midfielders. Around half way through the first half, a gilt edged opportunity presented itself. Baptista received the ball yards from goal, squared it to the lurking Fabregas, but the ball became stuck under his feet with the goal on all fours with its arse in the air before him. It was a miss scarily reminiscent of Rosicky's slice against CSKA Moskva. The Gunners should have scored minutes later, an old fashioned, 'Invincibles' style breakaway from a Reading corner, led by the emperious Gallas, saw Gallas play Ljungberg in, but Freddie tamely aimed his shot straight at Marcus Hahnemann. It was to be Freddie's only contribution in yet another ambivalent display. He will surely not be an Arsenal player next season. Yet he was still substituted to the sound of thunderous applause, while Baptista was berated for getting involved and looking to trouble Reading's backline.

Both sides returned for the second half with renewed vigour. Sidwell and Little looked to support the isolated Lita for the Royals, whilst Arsenal cranked up the heat themselves. Fabregas struck a venomous drive which arrowed towards the top corner, only for Hahnemann to thrust out his left arm in steadfast denial. Clichy must have had an injection at half time, or maybe a can of red bull, because he latched onto Baptista's slightly overcooked pass with his customary lightning speed, where he was tripped by Andre Bikey. Nobody seemed to want to take the penalty, so Gilberto once again stepped up and slotted home with consummate ease. The skipper demonstrated a coolness which betrayed his wayward blaze against Bolton. Eleven minutes later, the lively Baptista got a deserved goal, his touch was clumsy in trying to go round Graeme Murty, but he used his awesome power to maul the Reading skipper (well o.k he shrugged him aside, but the Beast metaphor is a writer's dream isn't it?), clawing at his ears and feasting on his torso like a lion chewing on a zebra's corpse, and spat the ball into the back of the net (I think there some ribs in there too). Baptista celebrated with an almighty roar, beating his chest with primitive poise, his eyes glowing red like the firey brimstone of hell, fangs bearing the blood of his victim.

The Gunners appeared to recapture their groove as Reading went forward and were unlucky not to have a penalty, as the Beast skipped around Hahnemann, but the American keeper shot a sedative laced dart into his backside, causing the Beast to crash to the rocky terrain. (O.K, so Hahnemann tripped him, but I'm enjoying myself o.k?) Reading continued to pass the ball and play the game in the right way, as has been their custom, and Sidwell became more influential, heading over a Glen Little corner. Jens decided that Reading hadn't given him enough to get angry about, so he spat venomous bile towards William Gallas, who was trying to mark two players. Gallas took exception and their teammates had to intervene. Personally, I felt it was much ado about nothing, Lehmann and Gallas are winners and as such, are passionate about getting a result for the team. Incidents like that never trouble me, I always want to see the players desperate to win and even at two nil, they are demanding perfection. I do not see this kind of passion in West Ham United at the moment and we all know where they are.

Diaby replaced the ineffective Ljungberg and Walcott began to fade and slopiness began to take hold. Reading have shown they are capable of staging a fightback this year, but entrapy seemed to infuse the limbs of Djourou, who was caught lingering in possession and reached a climax when Hleb, usually erstwhile and economical in possession, gave the ball to Harper on the edge of the area, Jens got out of his cage again and was rightly furious with Hleb. Reading made the last few minutes nervous, as Little's corner was headed on by Gunnarsson and Cesc Fabregas backheeled the ball into his own net. Coppell's side piled on the pressure and Gooner hearts were thrust firmly into mouths as a game of head tennis in the Arsenal area saw the ball fall to the lethal Steve Sidwell, his volley was clawed wide by Lehmann, the replay confirmed that the ball took a second ricochet off of Jens' ribs which could easily have seen the ball squirm into the net. The final whistle sounded and minds are switched firmly to Wednesday night. Adebayor came to greet his team mates kitted out in an awful white suit which will surely see a misconduct charge and a three match ban under rule E14, 'Failing to respect/observe the decorum/etiquette of common taste/eyesight.' I can exclusively reveal, through my mole in Soho Square, that the F.A allege Adebayor then took a train down to Portsomouth, burst into the Chelsea dressing room and 'aimed a punch' at Frank Lampard.

In closing, I would like to profess my admiration for Steve Coppell's Reading. As the Football Association are keen for odious sides like Blackburn and Bolton to drag the Premiership product through the mud, it is refreshing to see a side like Reading come up to the Premiership, keep faith with the players that got them there, and play football of an extremely high calibre- and prosper with a series of spellbinding displays. Reading are a side, with all due respect, bereft of star names, they are a humble and hard working team who not only play aesthetically attractive football, but do so in the correct spirit. I sincerely hope that they beat Bolton to a UEFA Cup spot. Reading get very little credit in the media because Coppell is not a sickening self promoter like the Paul 'I'm well funny I am' Jewell, or hippo head down at the reebok. LD.




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The Journalist

Writer: Tim Stillman Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday March 4 2007

Time: 2:46PM

Your Comments

Conga LD?Conga?Oh dear oh dear...
k_chelski
man you are obnoxiously boring k_chel.
G4L
lol, já que estamos no ritmo do carnaval, com nosso amigo , retardado , desorientado , que pega no meu pé toda hora, tentando me fazer de bobo, o senhor G4l , que não tem a mínima idéia sobre futebol.Tenta nos enganar, com suas palavras grandes , e bobagens sem fundo , nem nexo.I meant every word G4l, every word.
k_chelski
LD I enjoy reading your stuff. One thing though, the pass to Clichy for the pen was from Freddie, not from Julio, and for me Freddie had a reasonably good game. Covered well (contrary to Hleb), fought fiercely, recovered a few balls, and almost scored. Baptista was very much involved in everything, but too often does his first touch betray him and that's what frustrates the fans.
G4L
highly intelligent post there k_chel. can not expect anything else from you these days.
G4L
What, i thought i bring a little portuguese here, i didn't call you a sob or something like that.I was just trying to help, carnaval is not conga, it's alot of other stuff, not conga though.Leave that to the argies...
k_chelski
G4L, he needs match fitness, not carling cup fitness, real match fitness, i do reckon, next season, when everyone is fully fit, you guys will leave him on the bench(if that).
k_chelski
luckily I live with a Spaniard who knows Portuguese, so I have an idea what you wrote. I am not bothered though, shows what you really are. The thing is LD writes brilliant stuff and all u can come up with is some pathetic 3rd rate jibe. Good on you.
G4L
as far as Baptista I agree with you (!), but some Gooners seem to be impatient. I am willing to wait and I would like to see him in our team signed permanently because I watched him in Sevilla and I have seen what he's capable of.
G4L
Baptista is improving both in touch and passing though there still is room for improvement....he will need to be at his best for the CL return leg.
AB_Arsenal
No you don't.Do you want to know what i said?Ld, spanish people can't understand portuguese, brazilians and portuguese can understand spanish, that's the way it goes.
k_chelski
We are in the carnaval rythm, with our friend, mindless, deluded, who picks on me all the time, and has no sense at all about football.Trying to trick people with his words, empty words.
k_chelski
See G4L, tell the spaniard to stick with his spanish.
k_chelski
G4L, signed him permanently for what?Warming the bench with his arse?Play the carling cup?It's not fair.
k_chelski
"...com nosso amigo , retardado , desorientado , que pega no meu pé toda hora, tentando me fazer de bobo, o senhor G4l , que não tem a mínima idéia sobre futebol..." It is sufficient to know a bit of Latin to understand this. I maintain it does not offend me as I have a clear idea of who is behind that comment.
G4L
But its fair to ruin the career of SWP!
iceman10
Ohhh you tell him iceman :)
AB_Arsenal
Iceman, he had more opportunities than Baptista.Oh My god, bottom line, you can't understand that!Jesus christ, G4L, just apologize already.Amigo= Friend, retardado = Mindless, desorientado = deluded, que= that, pega no meu pé = picks on me, o senhor g4l- mister g4l, que não tem a minima ideia sobre futebol = he knows nothing about football.Now where's that apology?
k_chelski
well he surely isn't going to walk into the Arsenal first eleven resting on his Sevilla laurels. As for my sense about football, I am sure that you are the one who has, therefore that makes you competent to judge others. You were ridiculed in another thread for your 'competence' by some of the Gooners here, yet you have learned nothing.
G4L
lol, the same gooner who said show wenger some respect.Lol, oh oh, like you don't judge me.Whatever G4L, you lost your point, i clearly showed you i didn't offend you, your just diggin for something.Of course not, he's gettin' his shot because everyone is injured!Next season, hah, i doubt he'll play 13 games.
k_chelski
I mean, the one that said Wenger lost respect *
k_chelski
Hiya little Chelski ( Hiya Doctor Nik!) look mate all this pain and latent anger you're feeling can all be taken away if you'll let me help you, all it takes is four little words, its OK, all of us have made bad decisions in our childhood cos we knew no better, but yours will affect you into adulthood too, you are here everyday for the camaraderie that your dull as dishwater ghost town of a page (and team) cannot provide so come out of your closet Kevin Chelski and say with me now Louuuud and proud " I AM A GOONER!!!!!!"
nikolaijns
Baptista is the only natural second striker we have in the squad at the moment...his strength is improving and with confidence and a run in the side he shall adapt...I think Diaby should start wide left on wednesday, his power and ability to beat players will create the space that shall prove pivitol
Anon 1
Hahahahaha, i'd rather say i'm gay than say i'm a gooner.Chelsea for life baby, for life.
k_chelski
cmon you're blatantly a closet gooner
nikolaijns
And leave Zola?Poyet, wise, lebouef?Nah way.I think G4L is a spud, spuds hate me, lol.See G4L, that's offensive!
k_chelski
His loyalty is debatable nik, however on a more interesting note, the spuds are losing again! Italian food revisited?
G4L
Nooo way, 120% blue.I think i'm the only brazilian who hates Ronaldinho.
k_chelski
I have no ill feelings towards you, and as I said in the very 1st post - sometimes you're just boring. And it is an insult to call me a spud.
G4L
-.-
k_chelski
Ha ha I know G4L just popped down the shops and saw the score through the pub window I kinda knew cos I could smell their misery cmon u irons!!
nikolaijns
Spot on G4L, Freddie had a good game, and the more he's playing now, the better he will get. LD you have this anti Freddie thing stuck in your mind and no matter what good he does on the pitch, it'll always be too little a contribution in your opinion..
luckys_10
2-0 hahahahahahahahahahahaha waaaaaaaheeeeeyyyyyyy!!!!!
nikolaijns
SWP has never had a run of even 5 games so hows that a chance? you really dont know your facts do you Kevin. Freddie worked his nuts off yesterday and made some great runs which went unrewarded. When Diaby came on he looked incredible (again) it will be interesting to see who starts on Wednesday. Can you hear the Hammers fans singing "have you got the s*@ts again" lol, too funny!
iceman10
Yeah, I agree with some of the people here about Ljungberg. He's played a good game yesterday. His pace was decent, and he was everywhere working hard. And at this moment and time, it's quite welcome considering our casualties. x_X
ducksworth
SWp, every time he plays, he's slobby, he can't dribble, he runs and loses the ball, he's doesn't do anything.It's not just 5 games chance, it's about training hard, look at diarra, he didn't have 5 games chance, he played the first one well, he got himself another game, now he's a regular.Same thing about Geremi, Geremi got in, played well, he got himself a spot, he started losing pace, didn't do well on the training, diarra stole his spot.Easy as that, on baptista case, i can't see him taking Rvp's spot, nor henry's nor adebayors.Do you believe he'll have 15 games next season?
k_chelski
Utter Rubbish. Shevchenko has had all the chances SWP has not had and hasnt scored a league goal this year. Dont try and kid us that if you play well at chelsea you earn the right to play, if thats true explain while that pile of s*@t ballack plays every week. The Reason Diarra is playing is because you havent got a decent right back (incredible having spent £300 million on ur squad). SWP has been treated like s*@t.
iceman10
Ah ah naah, you do get the right to play, since shevchenko came from italy, and wright phillips came from manchester, it's different.Let me remind you that, for a while, shevchenko was on the bench, and swp drogba and kalou were playing.SWP had his shots, so did ferreira, he didn't do anything to prove that he can play another game.NOTHING, NADA.If SWP scored 4 goals in one came, i bet he would play alot more cames than baptista.
k_chelski
Mourinho is proving to be utterly inept at nurturing young talent, a young kids confidence and career are being destroyed. Compare that with Theo who week in week out is given time to grow and learn, and who under Wengers tutelage will blossom, feel so sorry for Shaun.
nikolaijns
Please, he's not all that.Look at mikel, came in this season, much much much better than shaun.Even kalou is better, i sticked with swp alot, he needs to show more, or i won't regret watching him leave to a smaller club.
k_chelski
Firstly, k_chelski, at what point did I say a conga line had anything to do with carnival? They were unconnected metaphors. G4L and luckys, there was plenty of huff and puff from Freddie and a lot of effort. But the fact is, he produced absolutely nothing in the final third save for a bad finish in the first half. I don't have any bias against any Arsenal player, but for me Freddie has had one excellent performance for us in two years (v Tottenham in the league this season) and it frustrates me that Hleb doesn't even have a song when Freddie keeps churning out mediocre performances and gets his name sung. The same with Baptista who was treated appallingly by our fans yesterday, but when Freddie or Theo lost the ball they did not receive any flack. I acknowledge that Freddie tries, but so would I if I played for Arsenal, but you wouldn't want to see me on the left. I agree with Anon1, I would play Diaby on the left on Wednesday, in the fifteen minutes he was on the pitch, he was more of a menace than Ljungberg had been for 75. I've got nothing against Freddie, or any Arsenal player, I just think he enjoys this untouchable status among the fans and it *****es me off to see players like Hleb and Baptista work their balls off, create everything and just get abuse.
Little Dutch
"resembling a Rio de Janeiro conga line..." There, but i just busting your balls, it wasn't criticism.
k_chelski
k_chelski its getting really boring reading your crap here, why don't you just go back to your own site, I mean don't you have ANYTHING interesting to say about chealsea in your own site? You constantly contradict yourself about absolutely everything to do with your club. And you are on every single post. Just ***** off mate, no one wants to read your thoughtless and unintelligent posts. You are probably 12 years old and a glory hunter. Why is it you support chealsea who has no brazilians in it? Yet you come on here and criticise our policy or blooding youngters?!? I mean comeon, you are as deluded as your manager, SWP has been wasted, if he is not good enough for you then why pay 21mil for him and price him out of other clubs?
Firebrand_Gooner
Wrong, i'm not on every single post, that's just one error of many you did.Second of all, i don't think i need to support a club who has players of my country, you of all people should know that.Tell me where i criticized your youngsters.I don't know what's the problem of my coming here, but fine, if you don't want.tCiao.
k_chelski
Even the most loyal Chelsea fans admit that SWP has been treated worse than dog s*@t on mourinho's shoe. Ballack has done nothing since he came to your money pit yet he has chance after chance SWP gets 2 games maximum to proove himself, thats not how to get the best out of him. You really do make yourself look silly at times because you show a distinct lack of basic football knowledge.
iceman10
Ok you don't need to have brazilians in your club to support them, but then why be so patriotic and come here criticising our manager of how he is dealing with Baptista. If he thinks he is good enough he will play week in week out. You have said and I quote "he needs match fitness, not carling cup fitness, real match fitness" so the fact that he has played 4 matches in a row is not 'real' match fitness? Yet of the couple of sub apperances SWP got you say he is not good enough. Isn't that contradicting yourself? SWP didn't even get to play in a carling cup game yet Ballack and Shevchenko did so don't say he doesn't need "carling cup fitness" you muppet. And as for you being on our site, its not that you are here that annoys me, its the fact you talk rubbish, utter bullocks. And I just don't understand why you have to be here ALL the time.
Firebrand_Gooner
I think the firebrand_gooner has well and truly murdered your argument kevin!
iceman10
Iceman, he failed to impress, that's that.Firebrand, what i am saying, is that baptista will be on the bench next season, most of the time, that fact that he's playing NOW, is because there's no one else to play, when rvp, and all the other guys return, do you think he will have a place?Ballack is a good player, he's doing ok, even though 90% of our fan base is against him.Shevchenko was on the bench for a while, after even trying to prove he can play decently.Wright phillips was in CITY, shevchenko was in ITALY, ballack was in GERMANY.So feckin different.What rubbish, no feckin rubish, answer me, will baptista play more than 15 games next season?I'm not being so patriotic, wayne rooney didn't score in a long time, at that time, everyone was covering his arse, even thought he costed almost the same as shevchenko.Since i work on the internet, i have multiple tabs opened on firefox, and they keep refreshing, i can easily write in 7 or 8 tabs quickly (that's the biggest reason why my writing is not very good sometimes).If you don't want me here, just say it mate, you have all the right to do so.Even thought i like different points of view in my site.
k_chelski
That is not that! Give him the amount of games that Ballack has played and he will produce more. Dont give us that utter crap about adapting to different football, SWP has come from a medium team like Manchester City and has never been given any confidence by the manager, never had a run of 5 games in 2 years, its actually disgusting that you say he has been given a chance. Ballack and Shevchenko are seasoned internationals, Look at what Mccarthy and I hate to say Berbatov are doing in their 1st season. Stop worrying about Baptista, he will be a bigger success here than Dead-Chenko and unlike poor shaun he will be given a chance.
iceman10
I dont think you've much cause for complaint Chelski, even when you beat us last week and came on you did'nt suffer personal abuse as you would on the Sp*rs page, you enjoy it here and respect our beautiful game (deep down) but y'know you have to expect us to pull your posts apart if we disagree, If Baptista is still with us next season (and I do hope he will be cos I think he will raise his game and flourish) he will play way more than 15 games.
nikolaijns
Poor shaun me arse, since 2005 he had 44 apps.I'm not complainning about anything, beautiful game, okay, i give you that.I prefer 5x winning, than beautiful football.Beautiful game or effectiveness, if i can't have both, i prefer the latter.Most of you lot on vital arsenal are friendly.As we in vital chelsea.
k_chelski
10 starts, 13 subs apperances, 8 goals for this season. he will start at least 15-20 games next season.
iceman10
How many starts? whats his longest run of games? embarrasing defence, you would be better of trying to defend Osama **********.
iceman10
b-i-n l-a-d-e-n
iceman10
In your pursuit of glory young Shaun has been left dying at the roadside, admit it!
iceman10
another celebrity gooner he he
nikolaijns
Osama that is not Shaun - altho!
nikolaijns
You can't say **********?Iceman, why would he start alot of games, if someone else is trying harder in training, you can see shevchenko running all around the pitch, i didn't see swp doing that.I think i watched 97% of chelsea's games this season.I didn't see anything especial about swp, Kalou wasn't all that great either, although yesterday he scored.
k_chelski
I used to think just like you iceman!Not anymore though, i think swp should be sold, him and paulo al pacino ferreira.
k_chelski
please provide the stats.
iceman10
I think you will find he has started about 23 games in 2 years and never had more than 3 games in a row, what a joke you say he has had a chance!
iceman10
From start: 4 Substituted in: 13 Substituted out: 4 Out of the 4 times he started the matches, he was subbed.
k_chelski
And you wonder why his confidence is knocked?, were those figures supposed to prove hes been given a chance?
nikolaijns
Kevin is a master at digging holes nik, he has his own JCB and everything!
iceman10
It proved he didn't try hard enough.If i got paid like any chelsea player, i would work my ass off, i mean, you put me in there and i will run 150 minutes!I defended SWP alot alot alot, there's alot of things that can affect a football player, maybe his style doesn't fit chelsea's, or mourinho's, i wish all the best to him.I just want him to try harder!
k_chelski
Yet in the same breathe you back BALLACK. The man strolls around the pitch like he is owed something. Keep digging and you could well reach the earths core.
iceman10
Give the Morlocks my regards
nikolaijns
For now, the same way i did for SWP, let him anger me on the next few games.He will have to fight alot to get me back if i get angry at him, in the same way i got angry with sheva.
k_chelski
k_chelski, you obviously are too arrogant to admit that SWP wasn't given a chance and doesn't really matter what you say, your lack of knowledge about the game shows mate. You say Baptista won't get 15 game next season, well that doesn't really make sense does it? I mean if Wenger keeps him, then that will mean he has put in solid performances from now till the end of season, so why would Wenger buy him for 10mil+ to keep him on the bench? This is not Jose Moronhoe here where he will go out and spend 21 mil on a sub which hardly gets used. And yeh I would like you to ***** off from our site please, because this is not even banter.
Firebrand_Gooner
Obviously my arse, ok sure, if you think that,i'm not gonna contest it.Wenger doesn't have to buy him to keep him for another season you moron, you can extend the loans, god you're an idiot.Ok, i'll ***** off your site, no problem.As long as there's no articles mentioning chelsea, or mourinho , or any of our staff.Can you arrange that?
k_chelski
He backs Ballack and its soooooooooo obvious he gives it his 100% every game..lol you really don't know much about football do you? You seem to be much better at digging holes, now you just needs to go and hide in it.
Firebrand_Gooner
Yes, run from the questions.As i said, i'm backing ballack now, he's starting to ***** me a little bit, it won't take much longer for me to get angry at him, i gave swp a shot and backed him.He *****ed me off, ain't backing him no more.Same thing about ballack, and same thing about shevchenko.Yes i don't know about football Firebrand, i spent my childhood, 24/7 playing football , or watching games.
k_chelski
Why would Wenger want to extend his loan for another year? He is 25 years old! You don't need 2 years so decide if you are gonna keep someone or not lol! you seriously are funny. You are the one making yourself look an idiot.
Firebrand_Gooner
Can you arrange your site not to talk about Arsenal then? So no we can't arrange that. If an article is about your club, then you can come out of your hole and talk rubbish, but why do it on articles which has nothing to do with you.
Firebrand_Gooner
I'm not the one trying to kick gooners out of vital chelsea, you idiot.You're the one!yeah. you're right, chelsea has been metioned twice on this article.And Brazil!, nothing to do with me, you're right.Idiot.
k_chelski
Why has this thread been taken over by K_Chelski? I thought the thread was about the game and complementing Reading on their display. Most people in THIS COUNTRY don't give a damn about Chelsea, their players etc
Sir_Harry
Numerous of reasons, what if real madrid sends Reyes back?Than there would be no reason to buy baptista.Crespo is loaned to inter for 2 years, age doesn't feckin matter.
k_chelski
They don't care about tottenham either.
k_chelski
Veron is on loan aswell isnt he, is he still alive?! Crespo is on 'loan' for 2 years because basically he's never coming back and you hope nobody will notice when you lose another £16 million on a player just like with Veron. Your not being sensible thats what I think we are struggling with here, your consistency is similar to Ade Akinbiyi!
iceman10
lol you deep is that hole now? So there are 2 words in the article which happen to be 'chealsea' omg omg omg omg i have to post in that article...seriously! read my words...GO AWAY! You don't see us gooners on your site on every single article trying to wind you up do you? So there is no need to try and kick us out of your site..
Firebrand_Gooner
Veron, i think we gave veron away, not sure.He won the argentinean championship, he fecked Boca up.No man, i'm not trying to wind you up in every article.It's just that, every time i make a comment, it turns into 100 page article, magical powers.
k_chelski
Sir_Harry as niko said he is our regular squatter! Good game today BTW shame you won in the end tho!
iceman10
There has been several threads recently that has been taken over by k_chelski instead of being about our football club!
Firebrand_Gooner
Your not sure what happend to a player you spent over £16 million on! lolololol you just summed up chelsea in 1 sentence! Hahaha, ouch my sides are hurting! At least arrange a search party or something, your still paying his wages for gods sake!
iceman10
No the reason it turns into 100 page article is because you love getting the attention you come here for and keep posting utter rubbish.
Firebrand_Gooner
Dude, i posted in 3 articles.One about psv, one about your poll result, and this one.That's it.I don't love gettin attention, i love debates.Funny enough, it's vital arsenal's fault i love debating.The first time i signed in vital chelsea, 4 gooners debated with me, on several pages.I think it was, Ld, PG, iceman, and another one.
k_chelski
We gave him away iceman! (at least from what i heard on his interview).
k_chelski
Re: SWP, the fact is Chelsea did not want him, that's why he's not had his chance. Mourinho had no plans to accomodate him, he just knew Arsenal wanted him. Same with Ballack, the world and his wife knows United wanted him to replace Keane, but Chelsea bought him just to stop him going to United/
Little Dutch
But your still paying his wages!
iceman10
Nononon, from what i heard, we actually GAVE him.He said on his interview he wasn't linked to chelsea anymore.
k_chelski
Veron is playing back in Argentina somewhere and as far as I know, chelsea ARE still playing his wages!
simmy8_2000
Is it like a fund you can apply to? would they pay my wages? I wont ask for much!
iceman10
a player can be loaned and the club pays his wage.He's having a blast there!I think they won the national championship, veron has become a hero.
k_chelski
Paying someone £4 million a year to play for someone else cant be good for balancing the books by 2010!
iceman10
perhaps estudiantes is paying his wage.
k_chelski
kevin,i thought you was going to leave our site...why are you still here???? if you want to answer.that question,then answer me this...why do you support cel$ski?
fran merida
I already told ya, no more mentioning chelsea , mourinho, or our staff, in any article.I'll leave, forever.
k_chelski
That's a bit of a bum deal for us all K-Chel! I mean every time words like , "fat", "spendthrift", "glory supporters", "sticklebrick", "pie", "diver", and that kinda thing pop up, you're automatically going to think we're on about Chelsea! I guess we're stuck with you then 8-(
flv
heehee
flv
Well, it's me or chelsea, you choose.
k_chelski
hmmm, k_chel seems to me that I am not the only one telling you that you are a tad confused.
G4L
That's a really difficult one K. Can't we have, like, half and half, y'know, kinda saw you and Chelsea in half and stick you together with solvite glue, in some kind of weirdo freakoid experiment or something. Oh go on, pleeeease. 8-)
flv
Fran , i support Chelsea because i love it, since the 2000's i saw many great footballers in our team, i cheered for it.Saw us losing, winning, and gettin to the status that we have today.I know it's not the same as chelsea supporters since 1960 , but you know what i mean.Strangely enough, i had no ill feelings (as G4L might put it) towards Spurs, or arsenal.I did hated liverpool and mancs.I don't know why, but from time to time, i have trouble with a gooner, first was niko, then G4L, let's see who's next.And chooose, no more chelsea sutff.I'll be gone, forever, no more "rubbish" comments.NADA.
k_chelski
Flippin' Chelsea!
flv
Sorry K, just testing! 8-)
flv
k_chel, for me you can stay here and post forever, just offer some sensible perspective man. too often are you caught contradicting yourself, or with your pants down to use an appropriate metaphor. nobody here is obsessed with chel$ki as much as you are obsessed with Arsenal. Yes, we sometimes ridicule that comprehensive excuse for a FC that you support, but we do the same with a few others. Strangely, there are no other Vital Arsenal visitors from the club. And from time to time, it is ok to admit that you could be mistaken in your rather shallow assessments on footballing teams, which on the other hand is quite normal since you're supporting a club since 2000. People here have been supporting clubs for 40 yrs and surely some of them know more than you do. You seem to be unable to grasp that, right?
G4L
G4L, What did i say about arsenal?most of my posts were talking about chelsea, shaun wright philllips, ballack and shevchenko.The other page was about chelsea, and it's money.Some of it was about baptista.I'm not always right.G4L, i support chelsea since 2000, i supported my local team since i was 0 years old.I love chelsea much more than it, but i still look to it from time to time.Of course they do, but that doesn't mean i'm not allowed to say what i think.It's not like british football is totally new to me.But i don't know as much as any of you.In the same way you wouldn't have a clue about brazil's football.I don't contradict myself all the time.Tell me all the times i condradicted myself,if you have the time, that is.
k_chelski
Well be here until Christmas if we do that!
iceman10
I'd lose the will to live if I had to read that guff all over ;)
nikolaijns
Not even Methuselah would have time enough for that!
flv
"too often are you caught contradicting yourself, or with your pants down to use an appropriate metaphor." read this carefully k. it doesn't say you contradict yourself ALL the time. And if your posts are all about Chel$ki (which is another lie), wtf are you doing here? Have you debated this much with merlin? No. And you're OBVIOUSLY allowed to say whatever you think, just try to be sensible sometimes and appreciate a perspective that makes sense more than your own.
G4L
now I will follow the advice of the 2 fellow Gooners.
G4L
I can just see Kevin singing "we dont need no education!"
iceman10
"most of my posts were talking about chelsea, shaun wright philllips" read this carefully G4L, it doesn't say ALL of my posts are about chelsea.I was talking about baptista, you guys talked about swp, and that's what happened.What, i wasn't the one taking the discussions personally. 8-)
k_chelski
OMG, what a useless discussion with K-chel, and to an excellent write up from LD (as usual if i may say so :). well LD, you've got a smashing pumkins fan right here !! I think Freddie gets away with applause coz he's living on past glory right now and this wont last long. He's had decent games and he's had poor games, but its been a while since he had an excellent game. I think gooners are still warming up to baptista - remember what a lot of us thought of adebayor ? so im hoping its only a matter of time before the appreciation comes his way. And Hleb is an amazing asset to this club - he's one my favourite players. A pity he doesnt get more credit !!
prits
freddie,is riding on past glories,but i think it was that goal against the orcs that has given him a stay of execution.....god bless his calvins
fran merida
 

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