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The Duffers XI

Now the Tim Stillman team of the season squad has been selected, it is time for the much more amusing process of electing the wastrels. I should point out that the criteria is not just who has played the worst, but who has played massively below their potential. For example, I am sure Ballack has been better than Damien Francis, but one must have parameters, or else the whole West Ham squad will be on here! Those dogged with injury will also not be included. I would point out to certain posters who have no sense of humour, that this is supposed to be light hearted, and all accusations of prejudice, racism or any furious remonstrations really aren't necessary.

1.Paul ROBINSON- The fat one has been a serial dropper of the clanger this season. His memorable performance at St. James' Park where he was responsible for all three goals in a Spurs defeat, the calamity in Craotia (all keepers should check their area for divots) and his wonderful, 'fat kid running after the ice cream van' impression in our Carling Cup semi final at three point lane stand out. (As well as Ivan Campo's daisy cutter on the opening day). His constant hoofing of the ball and his, ahem, glandular problem, make him a figure of fun amongst supporters of all clubs. Altogether now, 'you're too fat to play in goal.'

2.Lucas NEILL- Has not played badly by any means, but his money driven decision to leave a promising Rovers side for a doomed West Ham make him a succinct villain. Turned down a move to Liverpool because they wouldn't guarantee him a first team place. Err, there probably isn't a player in the world who could make that demand at Anfield, least of all a half decent right back with no Champions Legaue experience and no winners' medals.

5.Anton FERDINAND- Convinced that his famous surname will see him through, Anton is sadly a member of the bling, bling generation. Too much, too young, too high an opinion of himself. Plus, I did not realise Jersey was in the States! Also up on an assault charge, and being investigated for crimes against defending by Alan Hansen for his performance against Reading in a 6-0 reverse.

6.Titus BRAMBLE- Has to be the skipper, a cast iron certainty for selection every season. His wild air shots and positional naivety have once again been a source of despair for Geordie fans (well, the few of them that turn up for games nowadays).

3.Ashley COLE- Again hasn't played particularly badly (nor has he set the world alight). But his propensity towards swerving Bentley's off the road (only 55k a week you say? Tut, tut, tut) and suing the F.A becasue the Stamford Bridge pitch was unplayable have made him the poster boy for terrace hatred. Also, anyone who gives their car keys to Jermaine Pennant must be a bit stoopid, innit bruv?

7.Kieron DYER- Has once again proved that he is totally over rated and only thought of highly by himself with a series of awkward displays. Constantly whines about being played out of position, yet nobody seems to know what that is. Regretably, his only notable moment of the season came at the Grove. D'oh!

8.Michael BALLACK- Strolls on pitch, dives, get's someone booked. Gets himself booked. Picks up £130,000 for his trouble. I don't get it.

4.Didier ZOKORA- Turned down Arsenal apparently. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

11.Matthew ETHERINGTON- One of West Ham's 'baby Bentley' brigade. One half decent season and becomes lazy and complacent. Has been beset by personal problems off the pitch, which is a shame, but mainly he has been stinking the place out on it.

10.Marlon HAREWOOD- See above, but without the excuse of personal problems.

9.Andriy SHEVCHENKO- If Chelsea are patient with him, I am sure he will come good. But Mourinho's ego will ensure this does not happen. I feel for him a bit, has been blamed, by Jose amongst others, for some indifferent Chelsea form around xmas. But really, for a £31m outlay, you expect much more.

Subs:
12.Zat KNIGHT
13.Mark SCHWARZER
14.Steven TAYLOR
15.Amady FAYE
16.Nigel REO COKER
17.Juan Pablo ANGEL
18.Darius VASSELL




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The Journalist

Writer: Tim Stillman Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday March 26 2007

Time: 1:49PM

Your Comments

Of course, the manager is Pardew. Two teams relegated in the one season- he is the real special one!
Little Dutch
Nah LD, for manager (i said this on the other page already) it has to be Boothroyd for the fact he is still wearing his lucky gold tie at every match despite the fact that relegation was unavoidable 3 months ago. And you could almost throw Stuart Pearce in the same boat for that stupid horse thingo he has. At what point does being superstition just become plain stupidity? Pardew and Reed would both be good candidates though.
Ozi Gooner
£12m bench warmer theo anyone ;-)
huscarl
I recon putting Schwazer in there is a but harsh though, i might be a bit biased towards him but still tell me one really bad mistake he has made? I havent seen any. Theo, not a chance.
Ozi Gooner
17 year old playing Champions League football anyone? 17 year old scoring in a domestic cup final anyone? Thought not.
Little Dutch
Isn't Jersey short for New Jersey? That's somewhere across the pond.....
916995
Robinson ha sscored as many as Walcott this season LD. And No to Zokora either, Thats just silliness.
Jacky B
JB I think that was the idea!
916995
Jacky B, did you actually expect a coherent intelligent argument from this author? Apparently on another post he states "Frankly, I am far too good a writer". As per usual evidence of this claim is lacking.
Sir_Harry
not too sure if thats so, especially when LD is defending a 1 goal striker!
Jacky B
Only 2 Spurs players - shame on you!! Are you so sure that JENAS couldn't cover for Dyer?
Andy-bayor
to be fair to him he states its a wind up at the beginning. Still, if we are talking players who have "played massively below their potential." then Walcott is first on the sheet. And 2nd, 3rd. you get the picture
Jacky B
Andy - Jenas has scored 7 goals in 25 games this season, during which he broke his ankle. Not bad i'd say ;-)
Jacky B
Zakora has had about 3 decnt games all season. The most involvement he's had in a game was an attempt at an attack on Boateng but he couldnt get through Chimbonda and Lennon to touch him. His inability to land a punch bares a striking resemblance to his aversion to a football.
Ozi Gooner
Ozi... Granted, Zokora has not had a great season, and i am not suggesting he should make the best 11, but by no means should he be in the worst 11. also, if players dogged by injury are exempt, why is a guy whose game is all about aggression and strength not to be excused after a bout of malaria?
Jacky B
Walcott gets the benefit of the doubt not because he is an Arsenal player but because he's 17. He also hasnt been a 1 goal striker, he's only started 2 games upfront. The rest he has been on the wing, mostly as a sub, and still got 3 assists. If age and experience didnt come into it at all then Darren Fletcher would have been in there for the last 3 seasons.
Ozi Gooner
I know Jacky...I'm poking fun at him beacuse I reckon he punches above his weight... As for Zokora, he may be a bit rubbish, but he seems to enjoy being awful - have you seen the grin plastered on his face most of the time?
Andy-bayor
oh i see....... I must not have read the disclaimer part.
Jacky B
Fair enuf forgot about the malaria thing but still the attempt at a kick at Boateng was as bad as the pitch invaders shot at Fat Frank (although he was aiming at a smaller target) and clearly us Arsenal fans are gonna find his comment about why he went to spurs funny. Maybe if his next years as bad as this one he can become a comedian.
Ozi Gooner
Zokora's performances have been dodgy, but his constant, "oh I turned down Arsenal" speeches have made himstick in my mind. Plus, watching Denilson and Fabregas ***** on him from a great height in the CC was special. Walcott is 17 years old, I find it sadly symptomatic of the media and the people who consume it could consider a 17 year old boy, who has been average (by the standards of the standard he is playing at, he has been the best 17 year old in the Prem this season) should warrant a place on the list. Robinson's job is to save goals, not score them. Sir Harry has a big, black gaping whole where his sense of humour should be, even though I stated clearly in the article that this was a light hearted article, he still comes out with his miserable, humourless crap. Chill out, I bet you sit and deconstruct the historical inaccuracies in Monty Python's Life of Brian. "What? Brian being taken off in a spaceship by aliens? Why that's highly fanciful!"
Little Dutch
In all seriousness, Jenas has really rolled his sleeves up an his value for us cannot be measured. Beware Jenas and Zokora next season!
Jacky B
3 chelsea players?Oh dear oh dear. You should put the inclusion of carlos tevez.He left a bottom (millionaire) team in brazil, to join a west spam that was doing ok.Until his arrival.LD, you said it yourself, you didn't watch most chelsea games.So how the hell could you rate Shevchenko?
k_chelski
err jacky B, coz he was fit enough to play.
prits
LD, but being young has not stopped Denilson and Fabregas shining has it? both with much smaller price tags and expectations, the latter i agree are accentuated by the media and his inclusion in the WC squad... btw the way WC is not toilet, but World Cup!
Jacky B
Titus as skipper - have to go with you on this one, LD :). If I were Roeder, I'd be willing to pay another club to get rid of him !!
prits
so anyone who is "fit and ****" lol can be included?
Jacky B
That rules out Robbo for "Fit" reasons!
Jacky B
LD, so Robbo is as good at Walcotts job as Walcott is himself?
Jacky B
Denilson and Cesc are two yoears older than Theo. Admittedly Cesc was the dog's sweaty undercarriage at Theo's age, but he's a freak of nature. prits, I think Roeder has come close to saying as much with regards to Bramble. Kevin, I never said I don't watch Chelsea games. Don't get me wrong, Sheva's not a bad player, but you really should expect more for that outlay. Tevez has been Whammers' best player (not saying much I know), but he's shown real guts given that he was blamed for their demise. He's shown more character than the self pitying Reo Choker.
Little Dutch
Sense of humour failing? – I am not the one arrogantly stating that I am a great writer. The fact that the author has woven his article with personal abuse is hardly surprising. Tim Howard and Reina have had some shockers whilst Robinson has had to play behind a defence that frequently has only had one player (Dawson) carried over from last season. I am not a fan of Zokora but will admit that while he still gives away the ball too much his performances have immeasurably improved as he has settled. Jenas is a player who is under rated by a lot of people but not including Wenger I note. A 7 goals in 25 games for a midfielder frequently played out of position and who as Jacky B has said has suffered a busted ankle is not a bad return. It seems that certain people fail to understand the distinction between genuinely funny remarks and vitriolic abuse
Sir_Harry
Jacky I don't know what sleeves Jenas has rolled up, but if it's the ones inscribed with ALBATROSS or DYER Mk-2 then fair enough. Beware Zokora indeed for he is a danger unto himself ;-)
Andy-bayor
LD, Just admit Walcott has been *****e. It wont hurt that much. Here, this is how you do it. Robbo has been *****e, and Zokora has underacheived. See its not impossible to criticis eyour own players.
Jacky B
We have 3 players in your worst 11 and 2 in your best 11 .That means out of 5 chelsea players, 60% are bad players. How come we can have a 60% rate and still be the only team challenging man unitd.Rooney cost loads and loads of money as well, he spent most of the season, pretty much *****.I don't see anyone talking about him.
k_chelski
Andy - Fair play. But i think he is a good player
Jacky B
SH calm down - we don't wish broken ankles on NOBOBY (not even mofo SAVAGE) but you're getting so angry it's as if we broke Jenas' ankle. Notwithstanding the accuracy of the statement, how on earth is "Jenas is rubbish" be construed as vitriolic abuse? Blimey!
Andy-bayor
Walcott might be a better keeper then Fatboy with the way Robbo's played this season. LD you still didnt answer bout why Schwarzer made the bench, what has he actually done wrong? And K_Chelski, Ballack and Shevchenko are there as LD said cos neither have lived up to reputations or wages/transfer fee, but i thought Ballack has been the most over rated player in Europe since he left Leverkusen. Its obvious why Cole is there, as if he was going to escape an Arsenal fans worst 11 after dropping from best LB in the country to bottom 5, disgrace. Its only a shame you couldnt fit Pennant in anywhere.
Ozi Gooner
My concern with Robinson is hearing loss. Apparently he didn’t hear the booing of England on Saturday. And I agree Jacky B, it would be refreshing if Zokora could get his successful passing rate above 25% - as for a midfielder who scores once every 4 starts … we’ll take that
Sir_Harry
Just a thought Ozi , could it, by any chance, all that overrating , be because he's a world cup runner up?
k_chelski
Lol, Robbo with no hearing, Wenger with no sight. Made for each other. They could help each other with their respective "problems"
Jacky B
Knock Knock!! We not letting you in Cusop!! You scare us!! More Tosh !! From the home of the Pikeys .. Notice who they choose.. Delusion nonsense as always.. So lets Put the Prince Himself on the List REYES.. Wot about the Moaning Gallas.. And the Diving BoowhoWe!! I also noticed you lot think Hoyts and a load of Pooh too!! So we have 4 arse wipes to put on the list!!
cusop
S_H, for goodness sake get off your high horse and enjoy yourself. Your constant vitriol directed towards "the author" is beyond tedium. Nice to see England look so good on Saturday eh?? Now give me a sentence with 'Lennon' and 'one trick pony'...
hatespur
k_chelski, I like your percentages! Also if you only 2 got in to the best team, that means that in the value-for-money league (based on expenditure) you are languishing at the bottom by some margin!
Andy-bayor
Any one else voting for the Pikey Arse wipes..
cusop
lol. can someone please give me a link of him doing the wrong stuff, and then, gettin banned? THank ya.
k_chelski
I dont mind Jenas either, think he has been much better this year and was your only threat when you played us at the Grove. and jacky B your always welcome here mate as you are capable of a constructive argument and a laugh, but why everytime a new article appears on this site do k_c and S_H post more comments on here than any arsenal fan. k_c you do have another 6 players in your starting 11 so unless your watching Chelsea play five a side i dont see how LD's saying 60% of your team are *****, just 2 have been very good, 3 underacheived, 4 not not bad or good enough for mention and 2 (Terry and Cech) we all know would heve been in the best 11 if it wasnt for injuries so shut up. S_H please ***** off.
Ozi Gooner
cusop, ask your very own Jacky B who he thinks the pikeys are. Enjoy a little enlightment.
hatespur
K_chelski, Abidal's a WC runner up and De Rossi, Grosso and Iaquinta are world cup winners but none are worth 130,000 pounds a week. Your arguments are so consistently illogical i cant be bothered any more. You ***** off to.
Ozi Gooner
But ozi, this is not the Underachieved 11.This is THE WORST 11.That means no one played as bad as shevchenko.It's different.If you have more players in the worst 11 than in the best 11 what does that tell you?
k_chelski
Hatespur, there aint no pikeys at the lane mate.
Jacky B
kevin, it says right at the start that the list not only includes the worst, but includes those who played massively beow potential. You spent 30M on Sheva and didnt get value for money, nor did that happen with Ballack.
prits
Sirn Harry, your failure to understand the "greatness" sentiment exactly encapsulates your sense of humour failure. Find a dictionary, look up irony, learn not to take life so seriously. Besides, did you know these kids have been watching a show called 'Barney the Dinosaur?' A purple dinosaur that talks?! I think you should draft a letter to the editor of CITV. Ballack and Sheva haven't been the worst- as I explained in the article- but based on wages/transfer fees they have not delivered. I did not mention Jenas, though I don't rate him. He's been injured too long to warrant inclusion. JackyB, Walcott has been average, not *****e, but average, and has played half the season with a busted shoulder. k_chelski, I din't say Cole, Sheva or Ballack were bad players. Like I said, if I was going on that basis, my selection would have been a mix between West Ham, Charlton and Watford. Where would have been the fun (Sir Harry, consult dictionary) in that? Further note to Sir Harry, the author is rather tired of your whining, the author suggests you get off this site unless you have anything of value to add to the author's article. Alternatively, the author suggests you ask nursey to change your bedpan and stop being so grumpy. #Always look on the bright side of life, de doo, de doo, de doo, de doo.#
Little Dutch
Were they captains?Did they play most games? It's illogical for a world cup runner up CAPTAIN, to be talked about?
k_chelski
Actually I referred to the vitriolic abuse in reference to that directed at Robinson. After all nobody mentions Paddy Kenny do they and I’m sure Paddy has some extra padding? It was also quite a spiteful dig towards those unfortunate people who do have glandular problems from someone who claims to be as pure as the driven snow. As the author constantly finds fault with others I was merely highlighting his own inconsistencies. A man who can only be funny through personal abuse is not funny at all. Yes, Robbo’s had a poor season by his own strong standards but since when do they teach experienced defenders to pass directly towards goal on an uneven pitch? Hell, I was taught not to do that as a 7 year old. At least he didn’t let a ball bounce over his head from 91yds. Why hasn’t Eboue been considered? He even had vitriol against him from his own fans, the man who can start an argument in an empty room, or the great Hleb, all intricate dribbling, seldom an end problem. Manager of this team can only be Arsene Wenger … all of his good work undone by acts of sheer crassness and stupidity
Sir_Harry
LD but Walcott has "played greatly below his potential" so give him a shirt in your 11 mate.
Jacky B
pardon me then, i thought this was the worst 11.Why don't you put silly billy? He always complains about something, like last year, that he likes to play at cb.Then he went to arsenal and.....well, you know the story.
k_chelski
Sorry "massively below his potential"
Jacky B
Well the author thinks Hleb has been our second best player this season, the author thinks that Eboue, while being a bit of a tw*t at times, is a top right back. The author also thinks that Paul Robinson is a tubby waster and is not fit to be a professional sportsman, as such the author will continue to make fat jokes at his expense. The author is as pure as the driven snow, that's what makes the author so great. The author is also incredibly trim and good looking. The author thinks Wenger has two doubles, an unbeaten season and has sped up the evolution of the English game, meanwhile it is the author's opinion that Martin Jol has made an average team, slightly more average. Though the author likes to laugh at his chav cap. The author is going home now, so the author will not be posting for a couple of hours.
Little Dutch
SH, and he is still manager of a team in the top4, mebbe top3. I'll take that anyday, though im sure i can expect a long winded explanation from you as to how he is the perfect manager for this team. Eboue has not under-performed, in fact, he has done well when he has not been injured.
prits
Ozi, why do you think germany lost so easily to Brazil ?
k_chelski
Jacky, I point you back to a conversation we were having before soppy chocs reared his annoying head. In which you made an excuse for Spurz getting 27,000 in an F.A cup 4th round tie at home and The Arsenal getting 38,000 for a youth cup game that Spurs fans are generally less economically sound than Arsenal. I think you made some reference to the the fact that you didn't all have dirt under your fingernails, but you couldn't afford to go to mnay games.
hatespur
I dont give two *****s if some dumb **** claimed Ballack was the captain of the best 11 in history, that doesnt change mine or just about everyone elses (including your own fans) opinion that he has been utter garbage. Being a world cup winner or runner up is a great acheivment but its a team acheivement and a lot of decent, but not great, players have done both so i still dont get your point. Everyone knows that the CL is a better quality and more competitive competition anyway, so then Senderos, Reyes, Almunia, Eboue and whoever else form Arsenal that is slated regularly is above criticism by your logic. Finish primary school and then come back and try to have a debate you muppet.
Ozi Gooner
personal insults personal insults.Sign of desperation. Champions league is better? HAHAHAHAHA, so tell me, Ronaldo never won a CL, but Raul has, so Raul is greater than ronaldo?
k_chelski
no doubt ballack has a world cup runner up medal, kevin, but he has performed so much below his potential. Now I'm not arguing his potential here, which is surely why he is in this team in the 1st place !!
prits
See prits, that's what i am talking about.He has potential.And has nothing to prove to other fans, just us.But we can't discuss that with Ozi, he'll just randomly insult you.
k_chelski
kevin, exactly where did you bury the car??
hatespur
You are getting a little excitable Kevin, take your medication.
hatespur
Pikey Tosh.. Why not put Pennant on the list ooppps hes still playing CL footy!! Nothing like a bit of Euro footy to finish off your season.. Opps Pikey town does not have any Euro footy this year.. Whys that ? Coss the Duffers got it wrong rewrite your list ..ADMIT YET AGAIN YOU ARE WRONG!!
cusop
Is that english cockchops?
hatespur
Is this a new trend?Calling me Kevin? lol, i'm fine hatespur, you should offer some of the medicine to ozi gooner.
k_chelski
no offence kevin, but if you read the beginning of the article carefully, you wouldnt have needed to talk abt the WC and other such nonsense, and ask why ballack was in this team in the 1st place, now would you?
prits
I have to agree with Jacky, I always rated Robbo and normally he is top-class but right now he is massive and below his potential.
Andy-bayor
Cusop, this is not the place for temper tantrums , hatespur , drop the candy and let the little boy (cusop) go.
k_chelski
Sorry Kevin, the grip is released.
hatespur
The reason why i did , was because in the other article, LD said he would do the 11 worst. So i came here with that information.Simple as that.Still , there are arsenal players that should be there.Baptista, walcott, etc.
k_chelski
Let us not even approach the subject of wasted millions kevin. I'm sure there are plenty we could discuss.
hatespur
English players will always be overated in this league and many forieghners under rated! i think that players like Benny MCcarthy and Kolo Toure will never get the credit that they deserve as they do not play for England! People like PHIL NEVILLE, RIO FERDINAND and CASHLY COLE have been living off their reputations rather than actually performing. These comments are based on international games that I have seen as I will not watch THE or THE MANCS as it makes me feel a little sick! They may be doing well for club bar Neville as he has always been below par living off his brothers reputation and how good is he really???? Yes Walcott has been dissapointing on many occasions this season but it's better than bursting on to the scene and then never improving (cough Anton Ferdinand cough) we need to give Walcott time to grow as a footballer and under Wenger he has a great chance. We also have to consider the fact that his shoulder has been popping in an out during many of his games that's enough to make any player play below their best!
Arsenal1991
Kevin I dont have them, an yes this is Pikey Tosh!! As for you trying to mislead poor old Jacky into beleiving your not the Pikeys. I have an UNREFUTABLE oberservation.. Both Spurs and the Pikey scum were formed in the late 1800's.. Spurs moved to White Hart Lane.. The Pikeys lived in Woolwich.. Then they moved there caravans again and went to Highbury!! .. Now they moved again to Cash Burden (we can afford anyone this year) grove.. Therefore this lot have now moved 3 times .. Travellers = PIKEYS..
cusop
Now lets be really serous.. Season almost over nothing to play for the rabble get restless and the 1 with an IQ of 88 decides to write an article attacking everyone elses players but his own lot!! Thats why I have called it PIKEY TOSH!! What surpises me is that you all show up to disagree.. What your missing is that there is masses of in fighting in there own camp and they are just diverting attention
cusop
The Original Plan!!
cusop
Sell Reyes who last year ws a constant embarrassment to RM for 20 million quid.. The fund a spending spree.. Pay for the morgage and keep the electric lights on.. Oppps REYES Is a dud!! and RM are not so sure they want another one.. Opps simple business plan fails.. Simple answer we will make ourselves better by mocking other clubs..
cusop
You want to do your dirty washing out here kiddies its fine by me
cusop
Arsenal's four main shareholders would not consider listening to takeover offers unless they received a bid that significantly values the club above the current level, with the suggestion that the figure would have to be £700m. (Daily Express) Looks like they gonna cash in on you lot!!
cusop
Dude, relax, take a breath. Write your own article if it bothers you that much. The author thinks you and Sir Harry would make a great comedy double act, a career in comedy awaits. "What surpises me is that you all show up to disagree.." Dude, then may I ask in light of that statement, why the **** are you here? Reyes hasn't played a Premiership game this season which would rule him out indefinitely. What makes our club bigger and better than yours is 13 League titles, 10 F.A Cups, 49 matches unbeaten, unbeaten against Spuds in eight years, taking your captain on a free. Now read the opening sentence of the article, take a deep breath and propose to Sir Harry. Seriously, I would never advocate drug use, but the author thinks you two need to drop some acid together, get a new perspective on ****. I can understand that being a Spud would make you devoid of any sense of humour, but, "always look on the bright side of life........."
Little Dutch
cusop - the proverbial (and probably literal) coin-*****ser
Andy-bayor
"....when life leaves you in the dumps, don't be silly chumps......."
Little Dutch
Little Dutch, it would be easier to express a sense of humour, if you'd actually made any remarks which were actually funny. Having two thirds of a season to use, you immediately start off with fattest jibes to try to raise a giggle and now attempt to make borderline homophobic remarks to salvage a desperate chuckle. And exactly where have you put all this very fine rhetoric about not engaging in personal abuse actually into practice?
Sir_Harry
Sir Harry, see the Adebayor thread for the response. A sense of humour does not have to necessarily apply to side stitching remarks of Bill Hicks' callibre, apply the term more generally to your life. As for the homophobia, boy you're getting desperate. I said you and cusop should marry, I don't even know what gender cusop is. I assume it's a bloke, but I did not say that was weird or wrong. The author thinks you should try a bit harder. The author acknowledges chnaging his stance on insults, but being a great artist, the author is prone to changes in temper and mood. The authhor thinks of you stick your chin out and scream, "hit me!" you can't be surpirsed when the author administers a knockout blow. "....just before you draw your terminal breath...."
Little Dutch
the author thinks too higly of himself.lol. 6 posts in a row , by cusop.And you lot complain about me.
k_chelski
How do you write your own articles????
Arsenal1991
Well, there's a thing called keyboard...
k_chelski
Post something over on the club forum, and if it's got enough substance to it, either simmy or rocky will front page it. Give it a try.
Little Dutch
kevin, the author does think highly of himself, but the author has good reason to do so.
Little Dutch
Little Dutch, see my response on the Adebayor page. Your pathetic arrogance is clearly highlighted there. You are clearly an individual with hardly any life experience yet who seek to lecture others where you have sourced your opinons from others, either from 'friends' or from a book. Some of us have acquired our experiences which form our opinions, you pathetic little boy - what knockout blow is this little boy? - on the other page you seek to lecture someone who has worked in West Africa on West African culture 'cos you have a mate from Ghana - more moronic drivel - experience it for yourself rather than desperately strive to patronise others. When you grow up, feel free to try to insult others. You have made fattest jibes about individuals sizes, you have made remarks which in the same breath you acknowledge could be regarded as homophobic, you use language on the adebayor page which marks you as a closet racist - you're having a blinding evening especially from someone who's a teacher ... I bet your board of governors are proud of you - and you are such a dumbass, you even leave your real name so you can be reported to the Department of Education. Oh dear.
Sir_Harry
You've been going at each other for at least, AT LEAST , 4 articles. Now i know both of you have matured from little girls, to at least less mature person. Either get married, or solve this issue.
k_chelski
The author is now truly freaked out at how obsessed you are with his work, the author understands that his work is of an extremely high quality, but thinks that staying on this page for three days straight is a bit much. The author looks forward to your frivalous appeal, the author would actually really like to be a fly on the wall when you make that particular phonecall. The author reccomends you read the work of Edward Said and tighten up your straightjacket. If that will be all, the author has taken great pleasure in mocking you relentlessly, the author asks you to remember that he offered you a truce, a way out, but you must recognise that you carried this on. The author also hopes he taught you a valuable lesson in accusing someone of prejudice, not nice is it? The author thinks if you paint a target on your forehead, you can't complain when you get an arrow in your head. Good luck with the sense of humour transplant. ""....life's a bit of ****, when you look at it..........."
Little Dutch
K_chelski, I think the situation will resolve itself shortly. I personally have the physical scars gained defending a friend from a racist attack so for that implication to be made of me is totally unacceptable. People speak fine words but maybe they should question if they would back that up if it came to the crunch. The friend was Sri Lankan by the way.
Sir_Harry
if that's true, then , i must congratulate you .Now, you both give a big hug , and settle this.
k_chelski
Little Dutch, the respondee has already had an interesting conversation today about a 23 year old English teacher from Croydon with an appropriate official and was delighted to say he'd be happy to get to him with suitable examples
Sir_Harry
Wow, a light hearted article (with a discliamer, proclaiming it as such) has been turned into this by one psycopathically obsessed poster. SH, please leave this forum, becuase this ***** is getting nobody anywhere. I taught you a lesson about accusing others of prejudice, and given your reaction, you didn't like it. Now go away, this is not an attempt at contrition, more me, yet again, offering you the chance to go away and let Arsenal fans (and others like k_chelski, who seek to actively contribute) have this page back with no crap, no, I win, you lose. Go away and this will end. Simple.
Little Dutch
SH, I know that's a lie. Go away and end this.
Little Dutch
I find most of the responses posted here very amusing. The point is, the author merely selects the players based on his personal opinion. Just as someone saying 'that blue colour shirt is awful'. You don't condemn him if you find it otherwise. His opinion stays no matter how severely he is censured. Give your choice of 11 players & argue along the line
Joe_@**
As one of my clients is the Department of Education, Mr Stillman, you can bet that it is not
Sir_Harry
Dude, I'm holding a very good ace up my sleeve here, and I know it is a lie. Now return to your own site and stop hijacking my articles.
Little Dutch
The Problem my little dutch girl, as you proclaim your the Bright pikey.... You find it impossible to discuss football on your site or anyone else's site with out mocking everyone else even if they are above your lot in the table or enjoying a european trip. This is an attempt to divert the attention from your own internal issues......... 1. You have a problem with Reyes ( he was critical to future expenditure but RM has now realized hes REG NEW's damaged good " There are bad people here" If young man made that type of complaint any where else social services would be round in an instant). ..........................................................................2 Moany dumped Gallas on you, who now is giving everyone grief..... 3 Hoyt is getting stick from your fans. 3a... (he does not deserve a 4) Walnutt has had to drop to second fiddle behind Lennon (oh that must hurt)... Now remind me again we paid 1 million.. And you lot got conned into how much? ..4. Ebou who we is eating more grass than a Jersey dairy. .. Need I go on.. So continue to write your tosh!! For that is what it is!! T O S H !! And tell the author not give up his day job because Journalism is going to be a reach if as I expect he has aspirations of career!! So nighty night keep the camp fires bright!!
cusop
I had 42 stitches defending a friend from a racist attack - what gives you the right to call me a racist you pathetic feeble little boy - your personal abuse crossed one line too many.
Sir_Harry
Cusop, seriously, i understood 15% of what you said.
k_chelski
T OSH!!
cusop
Cusop, if you don't like my articles, go away. Sir Harry, I was teaching you a lesson with regards to unfairly labelling others as prejudice. I submit, for your delictation, "the anti-English bias of the author surfaces again." Wasn't nice to be unfairly labelled that way on the most frivalous of reasons was it? Right. Now firstly, you have nothing on this thread, anywhere, to suggest I am a racist. While we're getting all Jerry Springer, I grew up in Lewisham and was bullied severely by black and white kids for dating a girl from Singapore. Secondly, I know, absolutely, 100% that your complaint can carry no weight, it would be unprofessional of me to give you details, but trust me. Now, please go away, if you don't like me so much, I have to ask why you're hanging around my articles. I haven't once come over to the Spurs site to seek you out, you came here to seek me out, so I turned the tables on you. You didn't like it. Now this is a football site and one I love writing for, I give my time to write here for free because I enjoy it so much. Over the weekend and today you have tried your hardest to turn it into a personal vendetta, and so help me God I offered a truce which you shunned. Now, for the final time, no, I win, you lose, I'll get you sacked, blah, blah, blah etc. Go away, stay off of my articles becuase this has long since become pathetic. In fact, pathetic is a blurry little line at the moment, leave this thread for those that want to discuss my choices in a mocking or serious manner without all this crap.
Little Dutch
Well then you have an above average IQ for a Cheatski supporter need I say more.. The Little Dutch Girl understands so .. What can I say..
cusop
that enlightened me, thank you.
k_chelski
Thanks little dutch I've had a go! I know i know Chelski you knhow eveything I expect nothing less from a Chelsea fan!!
Arsenal1991
You could use period instead of half ellipsis (if you even know what that is).I don't think LD understood half of what you said, although the "tosh" part , might have given you away. Cusop, please go back to school, don't stay illiterate . learn at least ONE language.
k_chelski
Little Dutch girl when a spurs supporter put a load of tosh up about you lot .. I was the first on the attack.. I also came on your site and apologized on his sorry arsed behalf.. Now if you wish to have 11 duffers focus on your own team there are plenty of them.. Reyes.. Is an example you seem to forget.. Walnutt was Dein created laughing stock!! But to have a go at Micheal Balack for example or Shevy is just palin stupid.. Tell that to all the spurs supporters who only saw the net burst last monday night.. Geoff hurst was lazy so and so but he will always be remembered.. Yoour lord and master goes to great lengths seeding his new players and youth and it still goes wrong !! ( Example Reyes and Hoyt). Focus on your team and all will be well.. If not expect to get this type of treatment!! You dont want me to come on your site again do you?? If you want I will show you in 5 minutes that I can do it and when you ban my proxy server.. I can come again and again and again .. Until it stops.. Mow take a deep breath and read this carefully. I KNOW I AM NOT WANTED.. THEREFORE I WILL STAY AWAY.. YOU STOP WRIT TING CRAP ABIUT OTHE CLUBS AND I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO STAY AWAY FROM HERE.. You claim your a smart kid act like one
cusop
Which truce was this Little Dutch? I see no truce having been offered. You offered no truce? I have seen you criticisng people for using personal abuse and then immediately using it yourself, making remarks about appearances, suggesting homosexuality in a homophobic manner and desperately trying to imply others are racist - and as on the Adebayor thread when you can arrive at no response when I've enlightened you as to my first hand experience, you resort to the third person.
Sir_Harry
Kevin you did understand what was written well done!! Up ladder you shall go.. LOOK BEHIND YOU THERES A STEAM ROLLER COMMING
cusop
"KNOW I AM NOT WANTED.. THEREFORE I WILL STAY AWAY.. YOU STOP WRIT TING CRAP ABIUT OTHE CLUBS AND I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO STAY AWAY FROM HERE." Hoho, scary.
k_chelski
Dude, write your own articles, though asking you to demonstrate any sort of literacy is a big stretch. I dd not ban you from the forum, if I had that power do you not think Sir Harry would have been out of here the second he called me a racist? Reyes doesn't play for Arsenal, he has not played a Premiership game this season, so how could he possibly be in the Prem duffers list? Honestly, get a sense of humour. I can't understand a word of the rest of your post. As a writer for this site, I will write about anything football related I want. The clue is in the title, vital FOOTBALL.
Little Dutch
This whole thread has been funny to read to say the least. Especially reading ***** form you cusop, dude stop bunking school, you will actually learn something!
Firebrand_Gooner
Yes Its been said before but generally words can have an amazing effect!! But to honest your not on my radar.. So lets disagree and move on unless you have more important motives for defending the author!!
cusop
lol, spud calling me kevin.
k_chelski
Good one onfire!! I will remember.. Thanks for the tip ..
cusop
Reyes is an scum employee!! Or are you forgetting
cusop
Sir Harry, I said I will not respnd to you again and offered the chance to leave. 12 hours later you were back accusing me of racism becasue I din't include one English player in my team that you thought should have been there. The gloves came off, I taught you a lesson about unfairly calling people racist. Point proved. I did not even imply homophobia, I don't even know what gender cusop is. Besides, where did I say that gay marriage was weird or worng? Show me. Now please, this has long since become very tiresome, just leave and preserve what little shred of dignity this forum has left. Swallow your pride as I have mine and leave. No accusations, no childish name calling or threats. Leave.
Little Dutch
Clearly the most underperforming manager is Wenger. No silverware in 2 years, the greatest youngsters in the world, Thierry Henry, best striker in the world, Cesc Fabregas, best Midfielder in the world. William Gallas, best defender in the world, Jens Lehmann, best keeper in north London, Best stadium and best fans in the world. Oh goodness me, still can't break above third place! :) BTW I agree with Ballack, court's still out on Sheva, watch this space, esp in CL.
Westl
Wenger's average net spend is £5m. He's been the spearhead of a new training ground, a new stadium and has built a team of awesome youngsters on a relative shoestring. I'd say he is remarkably overachieving. However, spending £350m and not winning the league.............................
Little Dutch
Fergie went 3 seasons without any major trophies. Unless you count league cup as a major trophy.
Firebrand_Gooner
Going to be good to see Chelsea without Moronhoe. It will all eventually fall apart after Roman leaves isn't it Westl?
Firebrand_Gooner
you must feel like mugs shelling out all that hard earned cash to folow this lot with no new !! super stars to get excited about!! Especially when the share holders are going to cash in!!
cusop
Actually I didn't call you a racist - I said you couldn't have included Bentley or Sidwell as this would have implied a criticism of Wenger and I used them as an example of Wenger releasing quality English players. I suggested an anti English prejudice when you raised the issue of Rooney's WC sending off which occured last season, and which you described as thuggish while not mentioning Carvalho's illegal tackle which caused the incident and Ronaldo's clear attempts to get Rooney sent off. The English aren't a race, they are a nationality therefore its not racism its xenophobia as legally defined. If its not balanced then it can only be prejudiced in one way or another. It is a mockery for you to accuse others of racism though especially considering the way in which you described Africans on the Adebayor thread. You did state that you didn't know the gender of Cusop but then you admitted you assumed him to male when making the comments - you only used the words in a context of abuse something that can be seen - and when I show up your abuse on the Adebayor thread you withdraw. Who's lost their dignity?
Sir_Harry
You have SH. You are repeating over and over again. Dude get a life. Don't you have any interesting threads on your site to contribute to? Just go away.
Firebrand_Gooner
Look, just go away. There was nothing left to say on the Adebayor post. "I think not Mr. Stillman" is a pretty cryptic post and not one worth responding to. I was paraphrasing Edward Said's thoughts on how Westerners percieve Africans. You know that, but instead of maintaining some kind of dignity and going away, you come here and twist facts to try and paint me as a racist. That's one accusation of racism you clearly acknowledge. You explicitly referred to me as prejudice against the nation I was born in, regardless of why you did it, it was a frivalous reason. I returned the compliment, using an equally frivalous reason to show you how it feels to be wrongly accused of something so deplorable and so adverse to your own principles. Stalemate. Cut this ***** out. Leave.
Little Dutch
But you accused me of thinking of Africans like that Little Dutch, on the basis of what? There was no apology when I explained why this wouldn't be the case. You're just an arrogant hypocrite of almost immeasurable proportions.
Sir_Harry
Little Dutch .. Can I recommend you spend time with Mr Commonsense you may find you ahve more in common than you think.. I also get the feeling Sir Harry has you cornered.. This is turning out to be more fun then when I came camping at the weekend!!
cusop
Leave.
Little Dutch
Stop the TOSH!!
cusop
All I can say cusop is that you chose the correct footie team mate. Perennial underachievers. I read something funny in nuts magazine today that bears repeating, "Poor old Spurs, they've been trying to be taken seriously as an established Premiership club for years, then Reading come along and do it in one." 71 2004 pal.
Little Dutch
New tact smart move.. Sorry I do not read nuts**does that stand for the National Union of TeacherS or some thing that squirrels eat or what keeps your ears apart (sorry could not resist it)
cusop
WHAT NO SENDEROS! Right,Sir Harry&Dutchie leave it peeps,just agree to disagree,it's getting boring,we all know your not racist's don't you think that the fact you both support teams that hate each other get's in the way of any argument you have.
HATEtheGOONS
Oh ......my..........god........I actually agree with HTG!!! (About Senderos too)
Rocky7
Well why dont you take Robinson out and put the Swiss cheese in !! And then we can call it quits
cusop
Typically of most Gooners cusop, I am a culturally enriched individual. I can flick between nuts and The Brothers Karazmov, I can read a vcopy of fourfourtwo in an art gallery, I can discuss the works of Ben Jonson over a pint of spitfire and I can watch Arsenal win the league at White Hart Lane and appreciate the incredible irony of Sol Campbell winning a championship amongst chants of him being lynched and dying of HIV. I can appreciate the comedy in Tottenham's failure to beat our second string with a two goal start at home, I walk away from every North London derby of the last eight years without that horrible, burning shame (trumpets rise) and what's more, I am a man my son!!
Little Dutch
Offer refused, Senderos doesn't play in goal. "The athlete" stays in goal. By all means produce your own team on the Spuds site. In fact, count yourself lucky I didn't just produce an amalgamation of players from every Spuds squad in the last 46 years. Lineker was so desperate to dissociate himself from you, he moved to another continent!
Little Dutch
And Peter Storey was so desperate to dissociate himself from you that he moved in to running brothels.(brought less shame)
HATEtheGOONS
Touche! Look what a couple of years at your lot did to Gascoigne!
Little Dutch
Well we shall continue to grind you down !! Now 46 years is a long time.. Interesting choice of years .. Anyone after 1961.. Now let me think heres one """Ian Ure oppps I dont think Manure ever forgave you for off loading that duffer!! are you sure your want to go down this road !! Little Dutch Girl .. Do you honestly need a trip down memory lane.. They were not all Charlie George's you know.. And some of your flops could make the all time duffers list!! And can give you a great list..
cusop
Not havin that one,I think seeing his mate being runover and having jimmy '5 bellys' as his best mate did it for him.And from 89-91 he was one of the world's best player's,91 semi final he ran the show after a hernia,sod the freekick (seaman shud have got it really) the two flicks to allen in the build up to our 2nd were out of this world.
HATEtheGOONS
Glenn Helder is a legend.
HATEtheGOONS
Just follow this link:: http://www.wordofsport.com/books/075531557x_fallen_idle/
cusop
Chris Armstrong anyone?
Rocky7
***** striker granted,but could roll a mean spliff!
HATEtheGOONS
alrite boys, been away for a coupla weeks how is every1?, more to the point have I missed something? did we get beat by the spuds in some secret charity match or summit?? why are these nappywetters dribbling their frothy ape grunts here?, just skimmed over some of the posts and wow what a depressing pedant that Harry bloke is!!, fack me he seemed to be relatively normal (for a spud) now hes turned into some psycho, suicide watch, just caught the missus having the life banged out of her by his best mate, obsessive stalker mutha *****a!!!. seriously deranged and his little gimp Cusop in tears cos his dullard dross got his sorry arse thrown off the forum - even the blokes on his own page think hes a tool, and as usual he cant take the serial rejection. What a pair of no-lifes, Come on Sevilllllllle !!!! kick their national joke of a 'team' out of that poxy cup, they're obviously flexing their extreme superiority complex and need taking back down a peg or two, really sad little men, Lasagne dodging cants.
nikolaijns
Sir Harry, it's pathetic behaviour to come here threatening to go to someone's employer and report them... aren't you the older worldy-wise one with the scars? I can understand you may have found someone's posts sometimes cutting too close to the bone, but they are his personal opinions I believe, and it seems that you grabbed anything remotely contentious, twisted it a bit, magnified it a lot, then used it to ratchet up the level of bile... I haven't back-tracked through everything written in the past few days, but when you offer up arguments like "LD excluded Sidwell & Bentley to avoid indirectly criticising Wenger" and spice up this accusation with diatribes about anti-Englishness, it tells me the writer is plain bananas or very angry or both... is it that offensive if an Arsenal site calls Robbo 'fat' for crying out loud? (If you were a bit more humorous ffs, I'd say 'fat' is even slighly affectionate!) I'm all for debates and challenges but this is not good enough.
Andy-bayor
HTG, I regard Gazza as the most talented plaer of my generation, shame he couldn't keep it together, I really mean that. Cusop, we may have had some duffers (Raphael Meade anyone?) But if you wanna go down the history road of what's happened since 1961, I may just mention the years 71, 2004, 1987, 1993, 2001, 2007. Ray Kennedy, Robert Pires, Ptarick Vieira, Rocky Rocastle, Tony Adams, Vieira and Pires again, Aliaidiere, the Beast, Adebayor, Stuart Nethercott. etc.
Little Dutch
No disrespect Andy-Bayor, but posters who take the high and mighty position of no personal abuse then unleash personal abuse in the same post deserve all the contempt slung their way. It is really pathetic that apparently anyone who holds a different opinion from Little Dutch has to be doing so from some kind of racism perspective. I say I am in favour of a club having a balanced team of both English and non-English players and for having the temerity to do so, I am a racist etc etc. If individuals like Little Dutch want to cut and paste parts of individuals posts to try to claim and portray an extremism which exists in their own twisted little world then they are bound to get a response.
Sir_Harry
well sir_harry, the same can be said of ur comments. I'm all for debate, even if it is from fans of other clubs, but lets try to keep it to the topic, shall we?
prits
Sir Harry, an African proverb for you before you do the decent thing and go away, "the rat that gnaws the cat's tail invites destruction." You damn near chewed my tail off, I taught you a lesson. Game over.
Little Dutch
When did you teach me a lesson LD, you arrogant little child? - all you've demonstrated is that you are a little boy with zero life experience who can only acquire his opinions second or third hand, and when you lose the argument, either ignore the fact you have been shown up or resort to personal abuse whilst trying to criticise others for being personally abusive - which face are you delivering your utterances from today. Amusingly of all, you desperately try to shore up your increasingly failing position by selectively paraphrasing quotes made by others only to be shown up as a fool when the remarks made are actually put in their correct context.
Sir_Harry
Yawn, go away. Had more life experience than you know. You know zero about my life or what I have witnessed. Go away, you're boring and the fact that you constantly come over here looking for a fight is showing you up. The lesson I taught you, quite expertly, was that it's not nice being painted as prejudiced on the most frivalous of reasons. Now accept the stalemate and go away.
Little Dutch
Sorry lads, but you have turned the thread into a personal fighting ground, with the odd interruption and the usual bleating from that ignorant cusop whose pikey this pikey that is just boring. This was an article written by A GOONER ffs, and was rather humorous (for those who failed to notice). Expecting to have Arsenal players in it is just plain dumb. Why? Because it is VITAL ARSENAL - not VITAL REAL LIFE.
G4L
We are all biased in our footballing views, some to the point of blindness and some more down to earth. The fact of life is that Arsenal IS a better and bigger club than Sp*rs and Chel$ki in the broader picture (I expect something from kevin on this) and I cannot comprehend why is it so difficult to accept that? Numbering the trophies and medals and comparing them to those of the 2 other clubs I mentioned gives THE ARSENAL the bragging rights in London in next 10 years at least.
G4L
Err I think not - as with me, you knew zero about my life experiences yet tried to paint me as racist and extremist, particularly on the Adebayor post .. how long did it take you to wipe the egg off your face there - your undeserved arrogance is astonishingly shocking as you have provided not the slightest shread of evidence to support it - typical loudmouth who in effect has nothing to say. .. and on your note about Adebayor got sent off and being justifiably angry .. contrast this with the behaviour of Sean Lamont, who was sin binned v France when it was another player who was guilty (they even have different colour hair) yet walked off without any fuss, taking it like a man, even though he was innocent.
Sir_Harry
That G4L, and I just honestly don't think any Gooners deserve to be on the list. You might make a case for Senderos, but I think that is very harsh, he hasn't played nearly enough and has been nowhere near as spectacularly bad as Ferdinand and Bramble. Unlike the last thread, I did not promise any objectivity, Zokora has been by no means the worst CM in the Prem, but he has been woeful and his constant assertions that he turned down Arsenal are just laughable. Besides, this is the 'duffers XI', the comedy eleven. But I guess certain people just have no concept of comedy, so it's hard for them to understand. Fortunately, most people, if not most of the posts, have grasped this. This is one of the only articles I have ever written here that was not really supposed to be taken seriously, it's a pity it's been ruined.
Little Dutch
Yawn, get a sense of humour. I know you're not anti African, the point I was making is that I am not anti-English either, and it's easy to twist people's words to make them look that way. It's also pretty hurtful to have someone do that to you isn't it? Look up the definition of irony on your way off the site.
Little Dutch
G4L , this century , wer're better than you.Last century you were better. OH MY GOD, you both are like, Pitbulls, named EGO. Jesus, i think only Quentin Tarantino surpasses you both.
k_chelski
Sir Harry, my post is not intended to be abusive... I'm surprised how it can be taken to heart, so if you feel abused by 'plain bananas' then I withdraw it. The point I was making, is that although I have my own beliefs about team make-up, your part in creating a hostile atmosphere here doesn't make me feel like sharing my opinions...
Andy-bayor
Off the site? Again, Zokora made the claim about joining Spurs over Arsenal at the start of the season to endear him to his fans. Nowhere have these assertions been constant as they have not been regularly repeated. Maybe you ought to buy a dictionary. Lots of people have concepts of humour and comedy, but the fact that you fail to understand is you're simply not funny. Accept it. Its not the end of the world. I got my Arsenal mate to look the article and the reasons you provided and he thought the reasons you provided for your list were 'puerile' ..
Sir_Harry
LD. Walcott = comedy at £12 mil and underachieving, whether he is a winger or a striker. swop him for Zokora now. Our guy has been poor, but the handful of good games he has had is still more than that of Walcott.
Jacky B
Blimey, is this a site for bi-curious Spuds?? Sir_Harry, you haven't managed to get yourself a life yet then?
hatespur
misquoted me yesterday hatespur. I am afraid i'll have to sue!
Jacky B
hahaha sorry mate, just trying to ease the monotony of S_H and his daily vitriol.
hatespur
Well if you didn't tell lies it wouldn't be a problem. CEO, Manager, Players, Fans .. and you have the nerve to criticise the FA ..
Sir_Harry
Who is he moaning at there??
hatespur
I actually where contact lenses and I want to know where Wenger has had his eye sight cured. After ten years on not witnessing anything that involved an Arsenal player, how about this miracle of seeing everything that allegedly happened in Cardiff - having spent 10years lying the FA are hardly likely to take him seriously
Sir_Harry
If your "Arsenal mate" (probably a sock on your hand) wants to take issue, he is welcome to register onto the forum and take that up himself. At no point did I say the article was funny, I'm not John bloody Cleese, the word I used was light hearted, it was to be viewed with a sense of humour and irony. Asking you to initiate either of those concepts is a bit like lecturing a dog on the merits of wiping your bum with toilet paper. Jacky B, if you can show me a 17 year old who is currently doing better than Walcott, please tell me his name. The dude's 17.
Little Dutch
Are you just throwing up random arguments now? Did you mean that you 'wear' contact lenses?
hatespur
New additions to the online Gooner shop should include: ….. Man-sized nappies as most of the first team squad behave like giant babies the moment they don’t get their own way … a bib embossed with the Arsenal crest for when you start foaming at the mouth (Wenger) .. a new English to French dictionary, if you subsequently trying to wheedle your way out of a statement claiming you weren’t aware of the seriousness of certain words (Wenger) … vertically correcting football boots to help players with a propensity to go horizontal if within 5 yards of an opposition player to remain upright (Eboue) .. Reminder cards on how to behave like a captain (Toure) .. to be sold alongside the now famously selling rose tinted glasses.
Sir_Harry
LD - So what? I agree with you a lot, and even when i dont, you are usually witty and intelligent enough for me to accept your "views" as biased as they may be. But, if a geezer who has been to a World cup, and cost £12 mil is not underachieving when performing poorly, then i dont know what is. Anyway.... Aaron Lennon was better at 16, 17, 18... and is still better now. Walcott should be in your comedy 11 if only on the basis of failing to live up to his billing of "saviour" of our national side. Now that is a laugh.
Jacky B
Hatespur... Harry has a great point about Wengers eyesight (as random as it may be)
Jacky B
Calm down dear, it's just a blog site. What a waste of web room that little passage of 'humour' was Sir_Harry. No wonder you don't find anyone else amusing when you have such a superior natural taking to comedy.
hatespur
Wengers eyesight can be as random as Dirty Harry's post it must be agreed Jacky.
hatespur
as funny as that is, why did you all fly of the handle when Jol didn't see two of your players feigning injury at Highbury last year? Bearing in mind It was Eboue who went down, got up, went down again. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. lol
Jacky B
HAHA. I have tried to avoid getting into this as much as possible but Harry - i refuse to refer to you as sir - how can you say our rose tinted glasses are famous. What happened to the rise of the mighty tottenscum, and the decline of the Arsenal. Dont mention the UEFA cup cos firstly Sevilla are going to spank you so hard Martin Jol will think he's a gimp, and even if you won the cup its no more than a European coca-cola championship. All it took to undo your supposed meteoric rise and excuse for a squad was a bad batch of lasagne.
Ozi Gooner
Hatespur, I was merely illustrating, that when something is dressed up as humour and irony when it is little more than a rather poor attack on other teams, people aren’t going to think its funny, because it isn’t. Did I actually claim I was attempting to be humorous?
Sir_Harry
I didn't see him not see it Jacky. I sat in the West stand with my hands over my eyes.
hatespur
You didn't claim to be attempting humour Harry, but as I am sure you weren't speaking literally then it must be posted for comedy value. I am not intelligent enough to be bantering with you Sir so before we get into a frivilous and irrelevent argument i hold my hands up and say you are the winner. Congratulations.
hatespur
Ozi, "Martin Jol will THINK he is a gimp??". What??????? Are you telling me that he isn't?
hatespur
Walcott might not have had a great season but he still has a long time to get better, I wouldnt exactly be declaring him the worst money ever spent just yet. Jacky B your comments are surprisingly refreshing from a spuds fan but i will be the first to come and laugh long and hard all over your site, directly at you, if Walcott comes good after his shoulder surgery.
Ozi Gooner
Wow, I am in the presence of comedy genius! Jacky, it was the British poress who gave him that title, nobody else. I would say £12m is a long term investment, the plan for him this season was to get off the bench a few times and play some CC games. It's only been because of a crippling injury list that he's featured so much. Lennon was sitting on the leeds bench at 17, coming on late in games. I would say eight assists, a cup final goal and some CL experience isn't bad going for a 17 year old. In the long term, if he becomes the player Wenger thinks he can (and Arsene has been responsible for developing Cesc, Henry, Thuram and Weah in their fledgling years) then £12m will be a snip. The fact is, Walcott has massively over achieved this year for a kid his age. And yes, I think we all know how selective Wenger's eyesight has been over the years. But for a Spurs fan to mention nappies to Arsenal, well, lasagne anyone?
Little Dutch
Brown away kit??? mmmmmmm suits you sir.
hatespur
That guy from puma must have been a Gooner. I would love to have been at that board meeting. I bet he just blurted out, as a joke, "why not give them a brown away kit?!" And nobody got the joke, "hmm, brown you say? You know, I think that might just work!"
Little Dutch
Ozi - I genuinely think Walcott will come good. I hope he does. I also think the same for Zokora. LD - Somone on here the other day said Walcott had made 3 assists. either you or him are wrong. In regard to what you say about the title Walcott was given not being his fault, then surely its not Ballacks fault that he is paid £130k a week. But you still slaughtered him for not living up to his billing. I think you just find it hard to admit that your highest profile signing of late, has not been as good as he could have been (so far). If a smattering of appearences was scheduled for this year, what was the plan for the last half of the previous year? And what will we see of him next season. Also, i really dont buy this age thing. Like you lot always say. "If you are good enough you are old enough" Michael Owen proved that at WC 98, at the ripe old age of 18, 1 yr Walcott's senior.
Jacky B
Jacky B, Ballack has proved himself at the highest level of the game and is 29. At Munich and at the last WC he was sensational, he is a top player, it just strikes me he doesn't care about playing for Chelsea and he is there for the paycheque. That's also the reason Neill made my list. Walcott, at 17, is a tabula rasa, a blank canvas, and to expect anything from him at all is only a result of hype. He is very much a long term signing, the successor to Henry. Firstly, he has been average by the standards of the Prem, that's still massively above the standards of his age group. My expectations, and Wenger's, were that he would slowly be bled into the squad via the bench, injuries to Rosicky, Hleb, Henry and RVP have made that impossible. It's foolhardy to demand a standard of any sort from a 17 year old who has never played at this level, but he certainly hasn't been awful. Average, yes. It's only the hype that has dictated people to believe that he should be single handedly ripping apart defences, that's an unrealistic expectation and I won't let that inform my own expectation of him, nor will it dictate that I put him in my duffers XI. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. :-)
Little Dutch
Indeed we will. And had it not been for the likes of Owen, Rooney, Lennon, Fabregas to name a few, i would agree that standards and expectations are far too high. But I think that some of these kids play their best footy before they have any fear. and as such, do have a massive impact and can "rip apart defences". whether Walcott will remains to be seen. message to Theo.... "please don't score against Spurs when we meet in April!"
Jacky B
Jacky - I doubt Theo will play any further part in this season, what with the recent surgery to his shoulder. So you can rest easy :). To be honest, I didnt have high expectations from his this season either. He did well in the initial stages of the season and he kinda lost it somewhere later. Plus he's playing as a winger while he has played as a striker before. Now, all this is part of his development of a striker. And all that hype of being england's saviour was coz that idiot sven picked him in the 1st place, when he hardly had any premiership experience !!
prits
Phew, i was gonna say next season, but then i remembered we still gotta play each other!
Jacky B
It was me who said it was 3 assists, but i was talking about the premier league alone. He also got 1 assist each in the CL, CC and FA cups that i know of maybe more, I'm not sure? I agree with you to an extent on Walcott jacky but to compare him to Ballack is pretty silly (i still think he is the most over rated player in football since he left Leverkusen). Even when comparing him to Lennon, who is naturally a right winger, at this age is not fair as Walcott has been given instructions by Wenger at the start of the season to play on the wing so he can learn to take players on, he may not have had as much success as all involved would like and some times has gotten carried away but this is not his natural position and Lennon is still far from perfect (a certain tendancy to stare at his shoes when he should be looking where he is passing comes to mind!).
Ozi Gooner
LD put it plain and simple there - we paid the dozen mil for Theo because he is a talent - not because he was the finished article and not because he was going to score 20+ goals and rack 20 assists. Is it his fault he was hyped by the media? No. Is it his fault he was taken to the WC? No. His fault is that he is damn good for his age and is faster than TH himself. I'd rather we have him than the money-grabbing chav mercenaries. Give me Theo any day over SWP. Sp*rs have a good winger in Lennon, but failing to reach the CL in the coming seasons will see him seek a transfer. That is a fact. Same goes for Berbatov and Ledley King.
G4L
My bad, you are right Ozi Gooner, he has six assits this year, not eight.
Little Dutch
Ozi, 10 years of Wenger being blinded to every act of thuggery by Petit and Viera, followed by not seeing deliberate acts of cheating by the likes of Pires, the diving godfather, which allows the term rose tinted glasses. With many experts, he has become a figure of fun, after all if he didn't see it what was he doing not looking at the field of play etc ... I don't know what its like in your neck of woods, but here in Europe, football and other sporting events tend not be fixed. Before making your remarks, you may want to consider the facts of recent form - you see that the form is almost identical except that Spurs have scored far more goals 27 - 15 over the last 10 games ... exactly what are you basing your observation on - almost certainly wishful thinking
Sir_Harry
Lennon is a player I rate (though I understand OG's "shoe gazing" remark). But wingers have a notoriously short shelf life and need to constantly adapt their games to stay on top. This is what sets apart quality players like Giggs, Pires and Waddle (and Ronaldo has shown he can do this too), while one hit wonders like Kewell, Wilcox, Riplet and Tony Daley fall by the wayside.
Little Dutch
Sir Harry, on recent form, Spurs have not won the league for forty six years. In that time, a man has landed on the moon, Britain had it's first female prime minister, the Cuban Missile Crisis nearly wiped out the planet around the same time you won the double, Arsenal have won six league titles, seven F.A Cups (three doubles and an unbeaten season amongst that), Spurs have failed to beat us this millennium, we have defeated you in four domestic semi finals, Spurs tried to finish above us by fraudulently claiming sabotage against an innocent hotel chain and we are currently well above you in the league with a game in hand. To use the last ten games (our worst period of the season, your best) and then proclaim we have been virtually equal over that tiny amount of time is very amusing indeed. You might just have formulated the world's thinnest argument. I might visit Thomas Edison's family and tell them that I have invented nothing in the last ten years, but neither has Edison, so on that basis, we're kind of equally good inventors.
Little Dutch
Little Dutch, before sounding off read OziGooner's post - it was a response to his suggestion that Sevilla were going to thrash us. Its a pity you still lack the courtesy to reader other posters properly but I guess taking statements out of context has become such a habit you do so automatically
Sir_Harry
I'm aware it was out of context. It just really amused me to reel off that information. ".....just purse your lips and whistle that's the thing......"
Little Dutch
And while you're still manifesting your obsession with me here, it amuses me to wind you up by stating how much better my football team is than yours. And how much of a pleasure it has been to travel to Arsenal games in the last ten years. "........before you draw your terminal breath......"
Little Dutch
G4L and LD. You paid £12 mil for potential? Normally you spend £12 on potential.
Jacky B
Sevilla are sitting equal on points with Barcelona in La Liga, where are you in the premiership? Hows that for recent form stats you ******** monkey. You might think refering to my country every time you want to make your self seem like you know more about football than me means your automically right, but i've got 2 points of your same self-righteous logic for you then. My family are Italian, so 4 World Cups to Englands 1 means i must know more than you through my heritage by your reasoning. Point 2; your a ******** spurs fan!
Ozi Gooner
Sir Harry...anti-Australian?!! Ummmm, i'm telling teacher.
Little Dutch
Typical Arsenal fan .. you cannot be bothered to look up whether Sevilla have retained their form into 2007 so you resort to childish personal abuse - very impressive, your parents and ancestors must be proud .. I was refering to the legacy of match fixing in Australia's national sport, cricket, (though maybe not in Oz itself) as a counterpoint to the fact that you assumed that Sevilla would look heavily beat Spurs whilst not considering that Sevilla's form in 2007 has fallen away. After all, they had a not insignificant lead not so long ago .... of course the one country in Europe where match fixing allegedly occurs is Italy, so maybe you just assumed it occurs everywhere else.
Sir_Harry
"your parents and ancestors must be proud." Ladies and gentlemen, Harry would never resort to personal abuse and strongly dislikes it when others do so....prbably becuase he is a humourless **** who loses half of his IQ when he takes a dump, still, "always look on the bright side of life." Of course other countries in Europe where match fixing allegedly occurs is Portugal where F.C Porto were found guilty of bribing a referee last season, and Russia where CSKA are currently under investigation. Would you like a hand back onto your high horse there old boy?
Little Dutch
Again the oh so self righteous Harry comes up with a bunch of garbage. You are what 8th (i'm not sure i cant even see when i check the top 4!) in the premiership, they are equal top in La Liga and will win if it stays that way for a better vs record against Barca and won the UEFA last year so clearly you are as good a team that wouldnt be threat to you, put down the crack pipe mate its effecting your long term memory if you cant think back past Jan 1st.
Ozi Gooner
SirH, can you for once refrain from (ab)using the topic of nationality? Any point or argument you might have gets lost in this endless bickering about where some1 comes from. J
G4L
JackyB, let's see. Given Wenger's excellent record of developing players virtually unknown to the footballing world (Anelka, Fabregas, Vieira, Toure, etc.) getting England's most talented youngster under his auspices is hardly ever going to cost less than the dozen mil. Surely some Diaby or Lupoli would cost less - but I believe that Wenger knows what he is doing, he has the CV to back it up. As for the Sp*rs: Zokora - 8.2 mil, Dean Richards - 8.1, Jenas - 7, Rebrov - 11, Postiga - 6.5, Mido - 3.5, Sean Davis - 3, Reid - 4, Defoe - 7, there's no end to it! The only bargain was Lennon, and perhaps Dawson (he's yet to prove himself). Berbatov is hardly one at 10.9 mil, right? So while Wenger's bargains and the odd expensive purchase has brought us titles, medals, and glorious football - what have you received in return for that? A fat goalkeeper about sums it up.
G4L
ozi - Scroll up the page and look at the section of the league table shown. If you look there, you will see us sure enough.
Jacky B
Dont forget Germany, Turkey and Croatia recently LD. Plus Sir (i'm so *****in' special cos i defended a Sri Lankan so clearly i cant do anything wrong by any other race) Harry you have proved yourself to be a xenaphobe by asuming no Australian knows as much about football as an Englishmen - and before you argue back with some predictable hypocrisy - stereotyping races like that is racism. I dont mind being called a convict, a wog or any other mindless crap but i do get offended when some ***** assumes his nation are the be all and end all of the 'World Game' so nobody from another country is allowed an opinion regardless of the fact that last time we played you we beat you 3-1 and the mighty Eng-er-land havent done ***** but moan in football since 66. And cricket isnt our national sport Aussie rules is you knobend, thats why its called Aussie rules muppet.
Ozi Gooner
kevin - regarding the last and this century there's something you may have missed. The last century lasted 100 years, how long have you been 'dominating'? 2 years? wow.
G4L
err ... firstly your parents and ancestors must be proud that you readily resort to personal abuse without the facts. 1) we are currently 7th .. 2) Barcelona lost to Sevilla 2-1 in Seville but beat them 3-1 at the Nou Camp, which gives Barcleona the superior head to head record - learn at little Maths dear boy .. 3) Porto are still under investigation and the offences are alleged to have occured in 2003-04 according to UEFA, as are CSKA Moscow .. unless the law has changed you are presumed innocent until proven guilty 4) I never said we were on a par, I said the only way it could be assumed we'd get thrashed was if the game was fixed because the form over the last 10 games is almost identical - Spurs W7 D1 L2 GF27 GA16 and for Sevilla its W6 D3 L1 GF15 GA6 .. if that was put into points Spurs would have 22, Sevilla 21.
Sir_Harry
yeah, I thought that was a special comment from Kev. Trying desperately to manipulate time and stats to make his team look good.
Jacky B
Sir Harry... mate, for your own sake, check yourself in somewhere nice and warm with big soft walls and try and forget you ever heard the name Little Dutch. I'm not sure if you realise this mate but when I first saw your posts you seemed fairly reasonable and articulate but now a days you sound like a border line sociopath with serious LD obsession issues.... worrying if thats what spending too much time on here does to a man! and oh dear lord... HTG... he was funny today... WTF!!
kenny lunt
Hang on, Arsenal won the league in 2002 and 2004. The F.A Cup in 2002, 2003 and 2005. Chelsea have won the league in 2005,2006 and the league cup in 2005 and 2007. That's not domination. In fact, given that the F.A Cup is more prestigious, you could argue that Arsenal have been the dominant team of the two. We have both beaten each other in a domestic final, but ours was in the F.A cup (with our full team).
Little Dutch
I was close Jacky, still doesnt change my point about Sevilla being a top quality squad that i wouldnt even want Arsenal playing and the fact that Harry needs to put down the pipe for good. I'd be worried if i was a spurs fan especially if i was one who had already put my name down for the final ballot and was bragging about how they were going to win trophies this season but we weren't (harry, cough, cough). Harry doesnt your wife have a leash you should be attached to in the backyard or something.
Ozi Gooner
And yes, Chelaea won the cup in 2000, escaped my attention.
Little Dutch
Ozigooner, until recent times Aussie Rules was only played in Victoria. Rugby League was only played in the State of Origin, Queensland and NSW - cricket was the only sport played in Australia which had National Appeal - in your neck of the woods the national sport (at least in the summer) is cricket, your neck of the woods being your geographical location Australia, and cricket is the one sport currently most associated with match fixing - there was nothing xenophobic about it - the Australians are not a race, they are a nationality ... your opinion of one team thrashing another bore no relation to recent form .. if you had said Sevilla had won their last 20games scoring 50 goals then that is a statement supported with evidence .. all you have done is provided a crude and vulgar slur against another team
Sir_Harry
I think we have a great chance against Sevilla, and that they will be just as worried about facing us as we will them.
Jacky B
Ozigooner .. if you read all my posts, I have never said Spurs were going to win troughies just said that this season was likely to be better than last years. I also defended those who put their name in the ballot because unfortunately because the was tickets are allocated its the only way Spurs fans could get them if Spurs got to the final. Its a stupid rule to have to do so so early but they are not my rules. And I didn't enter the ballot either .. holiday with the missus you see.
Sir_Harry
You just did exactly what you were accusing LD of early SH and dodged the question of your racist remarks and then tried to turn your ancestor comment into a remark about them being offended by me, clap clap you *****wit, that was the most horrible attempt at manipulating the original argument i've seen since Rumpsfeld and the WMD's, you are a rare breed of stupid. Sorry about getting the facts wrong but you are still 7th, they are 2nd by your own facts so my point doesnt really change that much.
Ozi Gooner
I would like to point out that this article has set a new record for the number of comments on any of my previous articles, overtaking the Alex Song one. While the author is worried by Sir Harry's festering obsession with his work and is beginning to notice himself looking around cautiously when entering the shower, the author would like to extend thanks to Sir Harry for his immense contribution. On a darker note, the author is going to have to spurn your advances Sir Harry, while the author is very flattered, the author is also rather freaked out. I am mindful of your fragile mental state, so please don't take it too hard. Keep trucking soldier.
Little Dutch
LD I was going to say the same thing. A new record it is. Congrats. Sadly tarnished here and there by some cr@p from c*sop and SirH's pointless repetitiveness. The thing with reporting you to authorities is by far the silliest thing written on a thread.
G4L
Ozigooner just read the f***ing previous posts - if you want to try to twist something to try to conform with your own thinking its up to you - firstly you provided no evidence to support Sevilla thrashing Spurs but wrote as it was a done deal. When I replied I made it quite clear that I didn't suggest Australians were involved in match fixing, just that cricket which IS the national sport of Australia is the international sport most afficted - as somebody who's job involves dealing with legal issues concerning racism and other forms of discrimination and how they are applied, I know exactly what is racist, what is xenophobic, what is ageist, what is homophobic, what is sexist, what discriminates on the grounds of appearance, disability etc etc so your pathetic accusations hold as much water as a sieve. Actually I recently assisted a lawyer on a legal case concerning a Spurs fan who was Jewish and had been called a Yiddo at work - it was actually racism but unintentional in the context in which it was said .... Buy yourself a dictionary and look up what racism actually really means.
Sir_Harry
How are you going to tell me about my own countries national sport, I dont come to your job and slap the broom out of your hand. The VFL only changed to the AFL around 20 years ago but it has still been played around the country for almost a century, everywhere but NSW. It is the most watched and most attended sport in 'my' country so regardless of what you might hear from some rugby loving redneck Queenslanders or Yuppies from Sydney it is very much our national sport and i would appreciate if you dont lecture me about my own country.
Ozi Gooner
Ozi why are you letting yourself get dragged into this? Just leave it and let's talk Arsenal things.
G4L
LD, I'd be worried if I were you... I mean cusop comes across as a bit of a knuckledragger but at least one that isn't likely to hunt you down and try to terrorise you... SH on the other hand seems to have completely cracked... threatening/ pretending/ actually ringing your bosses - doesn't matter what he did or didn't do - the whole idea is mental!
kenny lunt
"of course the one country in Europe where match fixing allegedly occurs is Italy, so maybe you just assumed it occurs everywhere else." - I dont know Harry after i had just mentioned something about my parents background making a comment like that sounds a lot more racist than what you were accusing LD of being racist for.
Ozi Gooner
one more point for the raving looney that is SH... "I know exactly what is racist, what is xenophobic, what is ageist, what is homophobic, what is sexist, what discriminates on the grounds of appearance, disability etc etc so your pathetic accusations hold as much water as a sieve. Actually I recently assisted a lawyer on a legal case concerning a Spurs fan who was Jewish and had been called a Yiddo at work - it was actually racism but unintentional in the context in which it was said .... " As your point there proves racism is determined by subjective opinion which is determined in turn by the particular cultural or personal circumsatnces of an individual. How then can you claim to know what is or isn't racist when you liberally acuse people of such without knowing anything about anyone.... except LD obviously who probably know where he lives, buys his morning paper, how many peices of sweetworn are in his ****e that morning etc...! p.s. "I recently assisted a lawyer on a legal case"... lol, rather than a medical emergancy i assume!
kenny lunt
51 posts Sir Harry, tres impressive. Especially the last one, I didn't know it was you who once and for all declared the meanings of all forms of prejudice unilaterally throughout the universe. Wow, well done on that. By the way, I haven't heard antyhing from the Board about that phonecall you made last night. Strange.
Little Dutch
Ozigooner, I was offering my thoughts, having lived in Sydney for 9 months in 1998. My experience is the Rugby League was the most popular professional sport, though the moment I went to Melbourne it was all AFL and cricket in the summer. I stated that Cricket was the national sport as it was the only Aussie sport played nationally until the last 30 years. Certainly there was little interest I found in Sydney until Aussie Rules went professional around the country. And on the issue of referring to Aussies as ‘convicts’ does that make Australia the most racist society in the world? I just ask because, when I was there in 1998 and then again in 2002, often less than 10 minutes went by without an English person was referred to as a POM. This is a similarly derogatory remark about someone’s nationality. Of course neither remarks are racist.
Sir_Harry
LD, never claimed to have phoned, said I had mentioned it after a meeting. You know how slowly government moves.
Sir_Harry
of course with your sort of power SH I'm sure you can speed things up!! You fekin lunatic... I'm mean really, its worrying!
kenny lunt
I can't be bothered trawling through this endless argument once more, but SH, I found it funny, disproving everything you said about humour. At the end of the day different people find different things funny, thats what make the world an interesting place. When I ran an entire article poking fun at Frank Lampard and his weight you made no comment condeming me for being "fattist" or making personal insults, but as soon as it's a Spurs player on the recieving end your here being all high and mighty, which leads me to believe your sole objective is purely to cause arguements rather than defending someone who has been ridiculed.
Rocky7
Kenny, the case in question ... it was because the lawyer had no idea of football culture and wasn't aware of Spurs having a Jewish background and their fans referring to themselves as Yids. Of course the term Yiddo is racist, however it was said in a manner that could be construed as office banter where racism wasn't intended. Therefore the guy who made the remark didn't get sacked but just received a formal warning, which will fall of their record in 12 months time. Racism is never subjective .. pardon the pun but it is black and white .. however there can be a few occasions when expressions can mean different things to different people. Consider it as someone being guilty but getting a light sentance because of mitigating circumstances. The definitions of racism, homophibia etc are not subjective. They are clear cut.
Sir_Harry
Rocky7 I thought I did complain about the image which accompanied the thread?
Sir_Harry
You mentioned it after a meeting...that lasted ten minutes....at 8pm. Right. Go away.
Little Dutch
the meeting was in the morning yesterday dumbass - what they decide to do is up to them.
Sir_Harry
Whether you did or you didn't (you didn't btw, archives are a wonderful thing) is by the byt, the fact is, you spent time on the thread but made no effort to defend Frank Lampard. Even though we're talking about weight and not age, I still think a quote from the late great Bill Hicks is relevant "You either love all people of all ages or you shut the ***** up."
Rocky7
SH I didn't ask for a break down of the case... it was pretty obvious from what you had already said. What I was taking note of was your impressive ability to determine who you can fairly or unfairly call racist given your above example. seeing as you seem can't seem to understand the differance between subjective (i.e. one thing to one person one thing to another - or "mitagating circumstances in your words) and clear cut (the same result regardless of opinion or "mitagating circumstances") I think this is a fairly loftly opinion you have of yourself.
kenny lunt
Right, even though the allegation was made yesterday evening. And yesterday evening you posted, "just had an interesting conversation with...." Hmmm, word of advice, and this goes for the F.A, if you're gonna tell a blatant lie, at least get your story straight. "What they do is up to them." I translate that as, when enough time has passed and you know I have lied, that will be my excuse. I have a bit of an ace up my sleeve here mate, which I am just dying to tell you, but can't for professional reasons. Commendable attempt at a wind up nonetheless, but timmy ain't buying. Good job you're not a salesman dude, you couldn't sell crack to Pete Doherty.
Little Dutch
you mean objective. On a different note www.intelligencegiving.com have just provided a list of clubs donating to charity. Spurs gave £4.5m in 2005-2006 and the next highest donators were Middlesborough with £100,000 .. Arsenal donated a huge £27,000 .. full details are available on the Spurs site if you are able to stand the shame.
Sir_Harry
Ha, a lecture on charity from a liar. Nice attempt to shift the subject there Lord Archer.
Little Dutch
Accusations require evidence which needs to be collected. Furthermore they might just choose to put a marker down against you .... or do nothing. The meeting was about an issue which is closely linked to society and integration so I used you as an example. As you don't know what the meeting or topic was about, your ace may be brilliant or worthless. I was asked to provide further info so directed them where to look. You are such a small pathetic person I really couldn't care less - ... I thought it was Smack for Pete?
Sir_Harry
Considering we raised over £60,000 in one night for the David Rocastle trust, you are wrong.
Rocky7
No i didn't mean objective you plonker, clear cut was the phrase you used and I was using it so you didn't try to squirm out of it and deflect the point with your usual banal rubbish... umm just like your doing now!
kenny lunt
Well, irrespective of my ace, it's gonna fall down on that little "evidence" thingy, because I know there is none. Secondly, my ace is very relevant, my ace exposes you as a liar attempting to make himself feel big by issuing idle threats on a football blog. Small and pathetic are very poignant words there Jeffrey. Now unless you're gonna threaten to have me shot by your posse of gangsters, or sue me for not taking life seriously enough, I think it's best to leave now with your tail between your legs.
Little Dutch
" You are such a small pathetic person I really couldn't care less -" Says the man who has posted on mine and Paul's articles 58 times.
Little Dutch
You failed to mention the £4.5 million was put into a trust fund and has yet to be distributed to charity, more likely to be a tax dodge rather than a donation. Also if you read the small print it states that all figures are what have been disclosed by the clubs and do not contain any amounts raised by the clubs for good causes. You moral highground seeking *********.
Rocky7
SH again i said i have no problem with being called a convict, none what so ever (especially considering your convicts made a better society than your own; thats the sort of irony LD was talking about, pointed it out cos i thought you might miss it). What i said i take offence to is you telling me that cos i'm not english my opinion on football is not as valid as someones who is, and that your assumption in saying 'go talk about something you know about like cricket' (or something along those lines which you have done numerous times on different articles) is thinking your nation is superior; a part of racism. Plus again i add this quote of yours... "of course the one country in Europe where match fixing allegedly occurs is Italy, so maybe you just assumed it occurs everywhere else." ... which after me telling you my family is Italian i took as racist; you saying my race were cheaters that is. I'm spelling this out very clearly as you seem to need that done for you. And just so you know, not you, the government, the media or whatever organisation it is you work for decides what is and isnt racist, the subject does depending on wether or not they take offence. And i took offence to the comments about Italians all cheating, Aussies being inferior to English in matters of football knowledge and the fact that you still continue to tell me about my own country when you lived here for a whole year in one city, so clearly you know more than me about Australia as well as football you muppet.
Ozi Gooner
Actually Tim, there is evidence. Never put anything in writing if you don't want it to come back and haunt you especially when its desperately easy to find you. With me, I used a fake name, fake id, and email address created with fake details for this site. I even use as separate ISP. Untraceable. Oh and Tim, I’m not stalking you but you illustrated how quickly important information can be found out or deduced about someone which can be used against them. Without even having to leave the Vital Arsenal page, I was able to find out your name, the area of London you live, your age, your profession, the subject you teach. Irrespective of your opinion of me, and not wanting to sound patronizing, you should take greater care of your personal details as should everyone. I personally deplore any form of discrimination and violence – and I know you do – neither of us are racists, bigots etc etc etc, and whilst I am as guilty as most other people of using personal abuse, it would be excellent if people stop using it or tried to stop finding hidden meanings that they might try to extrapolate from comments that have been made. If I’ve spoken to someone within 48 hours, I do think I have ‘just spoken’ to them. However I am pretty sure, that the outcome of the meeting will not have any personally adverse effect on you, but maybe result in a memo eventually being circulated around about the value of inclusion. Ironically I was only there as one of my colleagues was ill - Rocky7, it has been donated, and undoubtedly Spurs has additional amounts. Maybe you should read the blog of those who have tried to get charitable support and been turned down by a number of clubs. Why the need for personal abuse and foul language again?
Sir_Harry
G4L,i didn't say we dominate i said we are better than you this century. Jacky B, even if you manipulated time, you would have to keep the world in the 90's beginning ,wouldn't ya?
k_chelski
LD If i was you i would find away to get a restraining order on Harry here, he sounds like a right psychopath after the start of that last bit, *****in' nutter.
Ozi Gooner
"£4.5 Million went into a new charitable trust set up by the club with donations to be dispersed to charities IN THE FUTURE"...........which at a guess would be over a period of years rather than one solitary season. And just to add to Tim's arsenal of ammo against your allegations of racism, if there were to be any investigation into his conduct the investigators could simply be pointed to this thread and your real beliefs that you do not think Tim is a racist. If anyone were to be in trouble it would probably be you for wasting peoples time. Also, your admission is another piece of evidence that you are not here to condemn acts of racism, xenophobia or discrimination of any kind, but as previously stated, to cause arguements.
Rocky7
hey kevin this seriously isnt a ***** take, but im doing a uni subject on Brazil and need to know about economic development programs and plans and what if anything they have done good or bad for the country, any chance you could briefly enlighten me?
Ozi Gooner
no Ozigooner I actually thought you were a gooner expat, too lazy to look up the evidence before making grandiose claims. Has LD ever lived in Oz? I have and find no evidence of it being superior despite your amusing claim. The most recent case of match fixing was Italy. If you read on other posts you would see me defending the Italians especially Juventus ... oh I've actually worked in Turin and Milan and it is my favourite continental country if you must know ... and stating there was no evidence that some management were successful in fixing, merely that they attempted to do so .. what you choose to infer and what was actually said seem to be to totally separate things. I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT BRITAIN OR ENGLAND IS SUPERIOR ...... WHAT I HAVE SAID IS I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE SAYING THAT WE ARE INFERIOR .. WHEN CONSIDERING WHAT WE HAVE ACHIEVED IN OUR HISTORY, WE SHOULD TAKE AS MUCH PRIDE IN BEING BRITISH, AS THE FRENCH DO IN BEING FRENCH, THE AMERICANS DO IN BEING AMERICAN, AND THE AUSSIES DO FOR BEING AUSTRALIAN .. when an English person says they're proud to be English they are automatically accused of being some arrogant imperialist, as if it was shameful and I just think thats wrong
Sir_Harry
I know verbal backtracking when I see it, and that was the worst diplomatic effort I have ever seen. I put those details in complete confidence becuase I have nothing to hide, in fact, I have posted pictures of myself on here, feel free to dig them out to aid and abet your case. While I don't have the power to ban people here, I can delete comments, and if for one second I thought your pathetic little threat held any substance I would have gone on a mass deleting mission. It's probably pointless me telling you that Croydon is in Surrey, as I am sure a man of your supposed knowledge already knew that. Now you have been thoroughly exposed as a charlatan and a liar, I suggest you leave. It didn't have to end like this, I offered you the chance to leave on Sunday night and last night. In the words of Thom Yorke, "heeeeeeeell, you do it to yourself you do....."
Little Dutch
I know Croydon is in Surrey. Last time I checked Surrey was in the UK ... your point was?
Sir_Harry
Okay let me give you a little head start. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plano_Collor , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plano_Real , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensal%C3%A3o_scandal (kind of not really about economy, but worth reading) , and finally : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luiz_In%C3%A1cio_Lula_da_Silva#Lula.27s_government . This will give you a good idea about our past economic plans.
k_chelski
Back when I was a kid, I used to do a lot of open mike nights with the old guitario, there was this song I used to play called 'Alibis', the lyrics are as such, "You told so many lies, your tongue is stained with alibis, but you spit them out and pretend you're sneezing. And every word is such a joke, flung from neon masts flying flags you hope, win you friends and give your life some meaning." Remind anyone of a poster on here?
Little Dutch
wow, been away for an hour. lol
Jacky B
LD - reading that i struggled to make it rhyme. lol. Still playing?
Jacky B
And i was away for 3 hours. : ) , it went from 152 , to 252 , lol.
k_chelski
and that was without the 2 of us hey Kev?
Jacky B
Yeah.Funny fight, imagine these two fighting on the streets.LD: Zee ARzenal zees j'm l'best. S_H : Well i reckon the colloquial term of the expression is unconstitutionalized , and demeaning , ought to reckon again? K_chelski : Celery Celery Celery.
k_chelski
i have no problem with English people being proud of England, but personally i dont care if you lived in Italy and Australia and how much you may know, or in the case of Australia, think you know about the places. You are not an Aussie and you are not an Italian, so you dont get to decide what i take offence to or consider racist, no matter how subtle you think your comments maybe. Also i'm not english so if you want to take offence to my convicts making the superior society comment by all means go for it, arsenal fans can to, but that my friend is based on facts from many studies based on Wealth distribution, safety, welfare, healthcare, education etc. etc. and authorised and supported by many different international organisations. You may like england more, thats your opinion and you are entitled to it, but my assertion is still well documented fact.
Ozi Gooner
Thanks Kev that info was useful mate, see SH, cant we all just get along, hahaha.
Ozi Gooner
kevin, again you have to check the data on who is better this century. Even if it has been around for 7 yrs. Arsenal: EPL champions 2, FA Cups 3. Chavs: EPL champions 2, FA Cup 1, Carling Cup 2. Head-2-head since 1999/2000: Played 23, Arsenal Wins 10, Draws 9, Chavs wins 4. ch-ch-choker
G4L
I am going for some Tuesday footie, 'till I'm back I expect this one to go over 300!
G4L
OziGooner, the fact that your first post on this thread was offensive and abusive, tells everybody everything they need to know about you.
Sir_Harry
I do, but fortunately I have developed a sense of shame and no longer "perform" in a public arena.
Little Dutch
Well with my final ever post Little Dutch, I have asked to delete my account and made a formal complaint about your role as an editor on here. I have deliberately contrasted your confrontational and abusive behaviour with that of the Spurs Editor, White Hart, and I hope they may wish to consider your conduct. Considering the tone of your posts on this thread and others, it can only be suitable that they remove your editorial capacity.
Sir_Harry
lol. you keep pluggin away mate. I'm of to see Noely G. tada
Jacky B
Sir Harry, the fact you are a liar tells everybody everything they need to know about you. Run along, I'm about to eat a banana. I don't suppose you're gonna sue me? Or report me perhaps?
Little Dutch
D'oh! I'm not an editor. Nice to see you've developed enough shame to leave. Whatever makes you feel big after lying through your teeth for two days. Toodles.
Little Dutch
Jacky B, I'm very envious. I've seen oasis four times, but I'm still very envious.
Little Dutch
My first post was about Boothroyd the manager and the second about Schwarzer what are you even talking about? dodge again, but if you are actually leaving for good then we can both be happy in the knowledge we will never have to hear from eachother again. Goodbye, you *****wit. Hope you get hit by a bus.
Ozi Gooner
Fair enough, not by much if i might add. Just a thought though, the century starts in 2001 , not in 2000.
k_chelski
OziGooner, I'd have been happy to get along and if you did take my remarks in the wrong light then I apologise to you as they were not stated as a xenophobic remark or any other slur. It was merely a response in reference to the assumption that Spurs would be thrashed prior to the game occuring. No negative inference was implied on either Australia or Italy, merely an observation of recent events in the news.
Sir_Harry
My apologies LD, site journalist. Hopefully that will be revoked.
Sir_Harry
Jacky - any earlier previous efforts by u and kev have been effortlessly surpassed due to SH here :). My god, I have never seen so much personal abuse as I have in the past few days !! and btw, SH - who the heck would want to track you down from this site, man. For gods sake - fake name, ID, ISP !! Why would anyone want to do that?
prits
Jesus, you guys went from silly gooners to pyscho gooners. lol , sir_harry, for the love of god.Calm the ***** down. I've suffered so much personal abuse than this. And i didn't do anything about it. By spuds i've been called a brazilian rent boy, they were wishful that a helicopter crashed on me.Been asked to die, and since i periodically go to the USA, they said they wished the USA was bombed out by terrorists from arabia (???) .Now this has gone to the extreme absurdity . Both of you, stop talking about each other. Actually, stop talking at all. Since LD is a site journalist he may go on and talk about other subjects.You sir_harry , can leave with pride, you've defended yourself, we've seen it. NOw please, if everyone that wishes this to stop.Stop fueling the discussion.O FIM.
k_chelski
SH - after ur final ever post, I see 2 more. Make up ur mind - wanna go or stay? honestly, u reported LD to 2 different sets of people? if u dont like what he has to say, stay away - simple !! I for one, dont mind listening to him :).
prits
ok kevin - u want to talk abt ur comparisons of the best clubs by century then ? :)
prits
Sure. how was british football in 1880?
k_chelski
k_chelski, British football wasn't invented until 1886, when the mighty Arsenal were formed! :-) Oh and as a closing remark, has anyone on this network NOT "suffered" personal abuse? Thought not. I guess some people just have a sense of humour. New article appearing imminently. This thread is just a great big ***** stain on the site and I will do my best to get people off it.
Little Dutch
is there anybody on vitalspuds or vitalchle$ki,or are they all here posting their opinions,why do they bother,i personally will never agree with anybody who doesnt love arsenal if they insist on writing negative things about arsenal,is everyone going to argue,just to change someones mind?because you cant.they argue constantly about how they are better than us,but why do we bother answering them....its a fact we are the best team in london,there are only two teams that are more sucessful than us,mancs and mickey mousers,where are they on this site,they dont waste their time stating the obvious,its all delusional wasters going on about chel$ki this and spuds that,its soooooooo boring,i dont care which team has donated what to who,whos won more than chel$ki-arsenal since 2001(we have)....i want to know what arsenal fans think about arsenal related matters,is that possible? no because we have to read rubbish from SH on how hes capable of stalking people,coz he knows where they are,and we dont know where he is....we're all really scared now.
fran merida
Arsenal broke a new record! Vital Arsenal to be precise. Is this the longest tread ever on football? 292 responses and counting. I don't know. The longest tread of insults most probably. It is getting boring mates...
Joe_@**
Everyone knows that football was invented with Sheffield FC in 1857 to keep young men occupied after a particularly viralent outbreak of whippet molesting. According to the bible also known as Wikipedia, there were 15 clubs in Sheffield alone by 1860. This can only lead to one of two conclusions - that football is the world's greatest game, or that whippet molesting isn't all its cracked up to be.
kernowboy
I think this goes to show what B!oody International week does to some people.'No (proper) football and beer make homer go crazy' When did ya catch oasis dutchie? I managed only once at Reading2000,pretty good but Noel & Liam hated each other at the time,missed them in 94' at the Astoria cos of Gland/fever HOW GUTTED AM I.
HATEtheGOONS
Kevin...SH leaving with pride? you having a laugh...after he embarresed himself senseless constantly lying and backtracking and being hypocritical. He quit the Vital network because he knows he lost and would be ridiculed for this for a long time. Now he will create a new account in a new name and pretend and lie to be this and that.......................Anyways I see you are stating that your team has dominated or been the better team this century....but you missed the fact that Arsenal have won more and been to more finals that you? And you cannot really count the Carling cup as more superior to the FA cup. So no you are not the best this century. Nice try.
Firebrand_Gooner
Firebrand, just leave this SH situation to joke later.. IT's been peaceful for a while.We'll talk about Arsenal x Chelsea on another occasion.After Brazil's poor performance today (gilberto got injured btw(, So i must concentrate on that matter. The gilberto situation is something you could talk about.
k_chelski
Wow, only three more to go to 300. All this in less than a day!! But the whirlwind romance is over and it's fallen short!
Rocky7
In vital chelsea, in a spud argument, it exceeded the possible storage.lol, we could write but it wouldn't appear.
k_chelski
HTG, I caught them at Wembley Arena in 97 (phone boxes and all), Finsbury in 2002, Dorset in 04 (Glasto warm up) and MK in 05. Top notch on all occasions but the Dorset one was in a tiny venue and they played Columbia. I remember the Reading incident, Noel's classic crowd teaser, "Ladies and gentlemen, an important announcement. Myself, Liam, Andy, Steve and Gem would like to announce we are splitting.......the huge f*****g wad of cash we were paid for this show."
Little Dutch
Thought I might as well have been the one to produce the 300th post. BO!
Little Dutch
You deserve it mate!!!
Rocky7
Oasis & LED ZEP are the ones.Columbia,TUNE! Check them out on Youtube if you put Oasis 94' live you can get the whole of the Astoria and NY Wetlands gigs.Bring it on down is the one tho.They've got a new documentary out 'Lord don't slow me down' clips on youtube again,secret video of liam dancing is very funny.
HATEtheGOONS
Columbia,TUNE! Oasis & LedZep are the ones.Check them out on Youtube,if you put oasis 94' Live you can get the Astoria & NY Wetlands gigs,Quality!
HATEtheGOONS
Wow, congrats LD... You started the thread to end all threads!!! Last night it was on around 80 posts,,, well doen for hangin in there because he went lunatic on us... having scanned it just now, S.Harry's indignation was initially stoked by your list which calls Robbo 'fat'!! Amazing...has he really gone away?? I can't believe, he was an employment laywer... swear to god I had him down as a de-Niro style Taxi Driver... Quite sad!! Anyway back on topic, who's body mass index is greatest - Fat Frank's or Fat Robbo's? Can we say that now lol?
Andy-bayor
Hang on,thought my log-in had *****ed up cos i can't read my post's,still can't.Don't worry i'm not goin mental.
HATEtheGOONS
300 broken!
G4L
LD I saw them in Wembley stadium, Sheperds bush on the 10th anniversary, Finsbury park, and the Coronet in elephant and and castle on my 21st bloody birthday. amazing. The last couple of nights at the albert Hall were amazing though. A real nice couple of rarities got played.
Jacky B
Gilberto injured?
prits
Still tosh though
cusop
 

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