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Is Jol Feeling Sorry For Himself?

Comments credited to Martin Jol have got me wondering whether the big Dutch fella is feeling a little bit sorry for himself.

It's well documented that the fans over at White Hart Lane are split over whether Jol is the right man to take Spurs to the next level or not, indeed over at our sister site there has been many pro, and anti Jol articles.

Well is appears that MJ is a little envious of Arsene Wenger's position whereby he can win no silverware yet still be praised come the end of the season.

'It's great. You bring a lot of players through your big club, Arsenal, and you still get praised at the end of the season and they are out of all the competitions.' said Jol

'That is unbelievable if you can do that as a manager. I hope I can do that in the future because that would be a fine position.'

It'll be interesting to see who will be envious of who come the full time whistle tomorrow.

Click here to join in the debate on the club forum.

The Journalist

Writer: Rocky7 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Friday April 20 2007

Time: 11:29AM

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when you say split between pro or anto jol, i would say the anti jol brigade are in the minority of about 5% if that. Every spurs fan i have talked to loves martin jol. who has already proved to be our best manager for a number of years.
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20/04/2007 11:33:00

Fair dues, I was under the impression it was half and half.
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20/04/2007 11:37:00

well unlike jol wenger has brought trophies and the best football in europe so he has something to fall back upon. and wenger is being praised coz everyone sees where the team is going in the future...but i guess jol doesnt understand that
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20/04/2007 11:38:00

well maybe on vital there are a fair amount but other spurs sites and the general consensus of the backing that Jol gets at games its clear to see his support
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20/04/2007 11:43:00

i think jol does she that and is in fact praising wenger for what he has done
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20/04/2007 11:43:00

I dunno there Buckers, I sense a bit of jealousy in his comments, like he's saying "How come both I and Wenger win nothing, yet Wenger gets praised and half of my fans want me out". That's my theory anyway.
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20/04/2007 11:46:00

Jol is the right man for us, he may make the odd decision we don't agree with but he's the boss and we're not gonna tell him otherwise...would you stand up to him??? Wenger did last year at the Library but do you really think he would of been standing had Jol hit him!! Anyway he's building a young team around British players and the gap between yourselves and us is getting smaller however much you don't want to admit it.
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20/04/2007 11:57:00

I agree that over the past two season the gap has been closed (which is good for the old rivialry may I add) but I think the true test for Spurs will come over the next two seasons when (touchwood) we can get a run of games without too many injuries and after the experience our young players have gained we're gunna step it up an notch. Because while you have been coming on leaps and bounds, we've been going through a bad patch (you don't lose skill over night) and once we find our feet, it'll be time to sort the men form the boys.
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20/04/2007 12:04:00

hmmmm not sure i guess comments can be taken out of context either way, and the only way to know was the be there at the interview to see how he said it.i think he is showing his respect and showing his ambition in wanting to emulate that success and true there could be double meanings behind what he was saying in an attempt to play mind games before the game
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20/04/2007 12:07:00

For once a Goon who talks sense (now im gonna be slated on here). But your right Rocky7, injuries have hurt this year especially with V Persie and Gallas I think anyway. On the other hand we have had King out for 4 months, Lennon out for a couple, Berbatov the same along with JJ. So we havent had an injury free season either. But the atmosphere tomorrow will be electric! Think Fabregas will play??
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20/04/2007 12:09:00

true rocky next 2 years is crucial in my book too, both teams will be settled then. both our sets of young players will come of age by then and the players that both jol and wenger decide to keep or buy around these youth players will be crucial, ive always sed that jol should be given around 5 years (had two of them) to make us into a side regually competing for the top 4 spots and i beleive we are on course for this. wengers aim is much higher than this as your already there. but the next 2 years for both clubs potential to be realised is crucial
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20/04/2007 12:10:00

true matt shelfsidespurs its nice to have a debate with a gooner without it resorting to abuse.
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20/04/2007 12:14:00

exactly buckers. Sometimes you do just wanna hear what they have got to say without going on and on about some sarcastic ****
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20/04/2007 12:17:00

rocky whats ur prediction for saturday?
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20/04/2007 12:19:00

So do you spurs fans think Lennon has gone off the boil recently?? I was speaking to a spurs season ticket holder the other day & he reckons since the beginning of this year Lennon has been poor? I think that happened to our own cesc who has only recently hit form again in the last two games. Unfortunately though he will definately miss tomorrow as Wenger will not chance him now that fourth place is moreorless guranteed.
Ashburton Gooner
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20/04/2007 12:22:00

i think that teams are defending against lennon better, last year he was the unknown and was given the free run at full backs, this year as lennon has commented he has been given more respect and every team has doubled up on him and not given him the space. coupled with the fact that jol is (and in my opinion a good thing) teaching him to play left right and centre. so all in all he is having to learn two new positions and is being marked by 2 or three players in a game and is only 19! the sign of a good player is how to adapt to this. hopefully by the time he is 22/23 he will be like a ronaldo/robben player who can pop up anywhere on the pitch and deal with numerous markers. The honeymoon period is over for lennon and he is now having to put the hard graft in to become the complete player.
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20/04/2007 12:29:00

I believe it'll be a 2-2 draw, and I'll be happy with it. It's never an easy place to go, and you seem to have a habit of flying out of the blocks and scoring the first goal but then running out of steam towards the end. If you can score first and keep us chasing then you're in with a chance, but if we score first (that hasn't happened too often this season) then I think you may struggle chasing the game. I do however believe this is your best chance in years to beat us, and I wouldn't be overly surprised if you did.
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20/04/2007 12:31:00

Jol does have a point. So you play attractive football that doesn't win sufficient games. You're out of all competitions before Easter. You go on about all this youthful talent but at this time it is all unproven. Managers are measured by winning trophies and it has to be said, in the last couple of seasons you have gone off the boil, despite a lot of money being spent. This is reflected in Wenger taking up residence at Lancaster Gate this season. He probably realises this as well
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20/04/2007 12:32:00

That's a pretty good description of the problems any new player to the PL faces. When a player like Lennon explodes onto the scene it's always difficult for him the season after because managers and coaches have prepared for him. In Ronaldo's second season he was very poor because teams were out to upset him. After his first season a Man Utd surporting friend of mine claimed he would be the best in the world, but I guess he didn't account for the 2nd season slump, but now he has gotten used to the the attention and used it to his advantage. I guess it's up to Lennon now to out think his opponents and use the attention to add to his game rather than detract from it.
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20/04/2007 12:36:00

exactly rocky, a little bit like a wigan syndrome on a different scale. my prediction was a bias 3-2 win but your right in saying we need the first goal. we start quickly against yourselves then tend to tire and then let you get ur foot on the ball and do some damage. im also concerned about our makeshift back four for the game and it will be a big ask to make ledley take the burden of this at this stage of his recouperation.
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20/04/2007 12:40:00

Kernowby; Each journey starts with the first step. Our young players have to begin somewhere, and reletive unknowns like Diaby, Denilson, Traore, Clichy, Eboue, Fabregas, van Persie have all come to the fore and improved year after year over the past 3 seasons. I know this sounds like an excuse too but it really isn't, just look at other teams who have moved to a new stadium, each home game is like playing away, effectively 38 away games a season (aside from the new players obviously) historically we are told that teams moving to a new stadium don't perform well in their first season, and while we have under achieved by our own high standards, a cup final and a champions league place is not to be sniffed at. I don't believe the young talent is unproven, infact alot of the players have more than proved that they can compete at the highest level.
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20/04/2007 12:59:00

well its good to have a few spurs fans over here for a discussion - I havent seen much of that on vital arsenal. So can I first just say - welcome :). Even though we outplayed spurs at home in the league this season, the carling cup matches were a lot closer. I also fancy a draw in this game, but I wouldnt be surprised if we nicked this one by the odd goal.
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20/04/2007 13:16:00

buckers - I've been to spurs site, and I also thought support for Jol was half and half - so, I can understand why Rocky got that impression. Of course, it might have been after a spurs loss, so there might have been a lot of criticism coz of that.
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20/04/2007 13:19:00

That's a good point prits, I only ever seem to pop over after they lose. I wonder I must be more open minded in the future.
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20/04/2007 13:26:00

MARTIN JOL IS A GENTLEMA!! this articel discribes you lot to a tee!! Reg New could not say a decent word about anybody else except himself!! JOL was responding to the fact that your board has implodded but they have not take their eye off the business.. Do any of you work for a living!!
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20/04/2007 13:31:00

I don't see how you can regard Jol statement as complimentary, he's literally stated that he doesnt get how Wenger can be out of all competitions and still get praised while he gets slagged off.
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20/04/2007 13:52:00

rocky i disagree its been like 38 away games in a season,the only downer is the unfamiliarity of the surroudings. wneger would of made sure u played on and trained on that pitch more than you would normally to get a feel for it plus the main advantage of playing at home is the support having 50'000 19 of your 38 games can hardly be called the same as away games. apart from that your home form is very good this year
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20/04/2007 14:11:00

it defo aint a compliment, its a nice little dig
Jacky B
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20/04/2007 14:30:00

I watched the interview Jockey .. It was a complement.. PLEASE READ No wonder you hold Jacky in such high regard..
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20/04/2007 14:43:00

So just because SkySports say that it's a compliment, it's gotta be true? I hold Jacky in high regard because he says it how it is.
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20/04/2007 15:09:00

Buckers; I may have gone too far with the 38 aways games, but for the old guard who are used to playing at Highbury it's sure gunna be different. Take Henry for example, you can gurantee he knew exactly where the goals were just from certain defining characteristics of Highbury. He would need to look, it takes time to get awarness and to be used to your surroundings. It also hasn't helped with the moronic fans that seem to have found their way into the stadium. Sadly I think that part of the game isn't going to get much better.
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20/04/2007 15:12:00

Ok shall I had a feeling you would still spout *********.. But yet again you claim to talk football so here is the actual source.. READ IT! Or is that a problem...,,2061756,00.html
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20/04/2007 15:15:00

Taken from that article "Jol would love to receive the same level of support as the Frenchman if his young team fail to land any silverware over the next couple of years." So once again, he's not praising Wenger, but as my article suggests, he's feeling sorry that he is not getting the same level of support. PS, note the word "suggests" and also the "?" in my article title.
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20/04/2007 15:25:00

Jol is having a quite dig at his own fans and re,imding the Spurs board!! Im glad we straighted it out and I am glad you read it. Well Done!!
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20/04/2007 15:33:00

'it was a complement", he says.
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20/04/2007 15:46:00

I like Martin Jol as a person, he comes accross ok on TV. I do not however thinkh he is good enough for spuds, I have a funny feeling Sven could end up at *****e Fart Drain.
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20/04/2007 20:24:00

mainly jealous, because he is fat and arsene is a rat bone.
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20/04/2007 21:17:00

tiny tots jealous? Not surprised.
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20/04/2007 21:33:00

I think Wenger had a dig to! "They have their little weakness during their European campaign. It is the first time they have qualified".
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20/04/2007 21:39:00

not jealous, i bet he has been told, finish 7th and europe or face the sack, thats why he is moaning. is laughable, the fool makes himself look stupid every time.
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21/04/2007 08:40:00


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