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Arsenal V Spurs - My Verdict

I read an intresting article on Vital Spurs a couple of days ago comparing Tottenham's squad with Arsenal's.

Although I agreed with some of what the writer said, I disagreed with some too.

So, with Spurs making plenty of noise about getting into the Champions league, I thought I'd give my own opinion on our respective starting X1's and squads.

Lehmann V Robinson. The verdict of the writer on Vital Spurs was 'Draw'. I say Lehmann. Not because I'm biased but because no 'keeper in the Premiership conceeded more than Robinson last season, Lehmann meanwhile was solid last season.

Eboue V Chimbonda Verdict of Spurs writer 'Draw.' My verdict - Chimbonda. While Eboue is a superior attacking player, Chimbonda has more experience than Eboue and looks more solid at the back.

Clichy V Bale. The verdict on Vital Spurs - Bale. My verdict - Clichy. Clichy was under a huge ammount of pressure last season to replace the best left back in the world (Ashley Cole), and he did it with ease. Bale was impressive last season but he was impressive in the Championship. He has to do a lot before he can be considered better than Clichy.

Toure V King. Vital Spurs verdict - draw. My verdict - Toure. kolo has emmerged as one of the best defenders in the world, his reading of the game is second to none, nor is his power, drive or leadership.

Gallas V Dawson. Vital Spurs verdict - Gallas (just). My Verdict - Gallas by a country mile. Dawson is a great young prospect but Gallas has proven himself at every level and in the biggest of games. Dawson has a bright future, but the difference in quality is impossible to measure.

Hleb V Lennon. Vital Spurs verdict - Lennon. My verdict - draw. Lennon is great when he's running at players, he can go past mot men as easily as Lampard can eat a box of pies, however, he lacks an end product. If he was to improve his crossing and finishing he could easily be one of the best wingers in Europe. Hleb is a fantastic player who can run through teams all day. However, he needs to find his shooting boots. He's always looking to pass the ball, even when he's in a great shooting position.

Van Persie V Malbranque. Vital spurs verdict - Van Persie. I wouln't compare these two players, Van Persie is a striker who can play on the wing, not a winger who can play up top. I would compare Rosicky and Malbranque. Verdict - Rosicky. The tenacious Czech captain is a far superior player in every aspect. He's better going forward and gets back to support his full back more.

Gilberto V Zakora. Vital Spurs verdict - Zakora. My verdict - Gilberto. Bert proved himself to be one of the best holding mifielders around last season. He made a fantastic captain in the absence of Henry and scored some crucial goals for us last season.

Fabregas V Jenas. Vital Spurs verict - Fabregas. My verict - Cesc. The 'ickle Spainard has gone from being a talented yongster to being a world-class leader and playmaker. Still only 20, he has one hell of a future ahead of him.

Da Silva V Berbatov. Vital Spurs - Berbatov. My verdict - Berbatov. While Da Silva's scoring record was outstanding in Croatia, he hasn't played at Premiership level yet. I'm sure he'll be a hit but Berbatov proved a class act last season.

Van Persie V Bent. Vital Spurs didn't compare them. My verdict - Van Pesie. The young Dutchman proved last season that he is a top striker. His 13 goals by January proved that.

Subs:

Almunia V Cerny. Vital Spurs - draw. My verdict - draw. Both average players.

Senderos V Kaboul. Vital Spurs - draw. My verdict - Senderos. Kaboul comes with quite a reputation, but Senderos has proved he has quality, if not on a regular basis.

Walcott V Tarrabt. Vital Spurs verdict - draw. My verdict - Walcott. Theo has proved he has what it takes to play in the Premiership, rescuing Arsenal on several occasions last season. Tarrabt only made 2 (I think) sub appearances last season, and while he showed some promise, he has to do more before he can be treated as Walcott's equal.

Adebayor V Defoe. Vital Spurs - Defore. My verdict - Adebayor. Defoe is a talented player but he is just a shadow of the player that led Spurs' attacking line a few years ago. Adebayor is a constant threat with his finishing (not great, but always improving) and his physical presence on the pitch.

Keane V Bendtner. Vital spurs didn't compare them. My verdict - Keane. Bendtner hasn't played a Premiership game yet, while Keane has proved over the last few years that he is a good player.

There you have it. My honest opinions.

Any thoughts?




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Writer: Nick Simmonett  Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday July 10 2007

Time: 3:47PM

Your Comments

I'm ready for some stick from our neighbours....
simmy8_2000
nice and clean simmy. any neutral would agree with these
G4L
I have carefully considered your appraisals simmo and having done so the real fault I can find is that the Eboue v Chimbonda is not in bold. Though I would also say that Hleb and Lennon are entirely different players and direct comparisons may not be relevant but I would still plump for Hleb as the more accomplished.
Amos.
Not really - 1) Robinson v Lehmann is a draw. Robbo can play much better and will be behind a better defence. Jens will not be able to raise his game further. 2)I think the Dawson & King v Gallas & Toure comes out as a draw. Gallas was poor last season, Dawson is better than he is given credit for 3) You have a superior midfield and win that position 3-1 4) Up front, Berbatov should be measured with RvP as they are creators as well as scorers and Bent should be considered v DaSilva. Berbs beats RvP because there is still the feeling that RvP has temperament issues, Bent v DaSilva is a draw as Bent has done it in the Prem but DaSilva has the better Int record. On the subs bench Kaboul v Senderos is a draw as Senderos is ponderous and probably only got picked for the Swiss as they such a small pool.
kernowboy
Keep Dreaming Girls!!
cockeril
Desperation, Has Van Rapist got a twin we don`t know about?????????
cockeril
You obviously cant read in relation to Van Persie Cock-eril. You really are thick.
iceman10
I havent seen the Spuds article but it looks like they only think they have 4/5 better players than us? If so why do the majority of them think they will now take 4th when we have better cover and a better manager?
iceman10
ICE-Wipe10 We have 11 Berbatov`s. Same old Arse allways cheating!!!
cockeril
Thats a cheat,especially the TW part lol the kid was at the WC ffs
Babeasta
Zakora better than Bert? They really must stop smoking drugs.
Rocky7
Van Persie isnt named twice you COCK! READ the article properly!
iceman10
COCKeril you really aren't that inteligent, are you? (Even for a Spud!). If you're gonna come on here then make some valid comments or just don't bother. I'm even more bored than normal with all the spurts talk of... "well... you're all girls and anyway Spurts are gonna win everything next season coz we signed Bent for £16.5m and that was more than you sold Henry for which means that Bent is a much better player.... You're a team in decline and we're a team on the up blah blah blah blah" It's just tedious! At least Kernow actually has something to say!
scooch
I ***** myself laughing everytime I hear spuds fans going on, this is the season, we will finish above Arsenal this year. They dream they always do, one phrase can sum spuds up for me"Desperate hope, engulfed in in a decent season 46 years ago.
gunnerb
I rate it as Spurs have 3 better players - Lennon, Berbs, Chim: Arsenal have 4 in Fabregas, Silva, Rosicky, and Clichy (this is v.marginal v Bale) and with Robinson v Lehman, the centre backs and Bent v Silva its too close to call
kernowboy
You can't compare Clichy and Bale at all. Bale, from what I've heard he's good, but in the championship. It's like saying that Bendtner would beat Keane. Clichy was great last season and helped us all forget the snivelling little girl that was Cashley Hole.
scooch
So who are spurs going to sign to replace of Berbatov, Lennon & Chimbonda when they are sold to man u & chelsea?
gooner303
Its like saying then that DaSilva is better than Bent in that case - RVP should be compared to Berbs, DaSilva with Bent
kernowboy
And now I realise that I misread your comment, Sorry
scooch
What a silly little boy you are gooner303. As these players are on contracts with more than 3 years to go, there is no need to sell them. They have also signed extensions. Carrick was sold because he wouldn't sign an extension and we got a silly price for him. Now little child do you understand the difference?
kernowboy
I'm sorry you will have to explain it to me again a little slower this time. Fabregas signing an 8 year deal last year hasnt stopped the speculation has it? So, really, who are you going to sign to replace chimbonda, lennon & berbs?
gooner303
because you don't have to sell him and you won't. We don't have to sell our 3 guys so we won't. What evidence do you have that we will sell them? A big fat zero. So why would we signing replacements for players who aren't leaving? its not too difficult and challenging surely?
kernowboy
I think you already signed the replacements when you signed Bent & Bale. If the players want to go to a bigger club then they will and most sensible managers know there is nothing they can do about it. Berbatov came to spurs to put himself in the shop window and his work is now done at WHL. Not having evidence doesnt seem to be stopping spurs fans wildly speculating about where they will finish next season, who will be leaving us & the financial position of the gunners so I just thought I'd join in the fun. Who needs facts when tottenham are about?
gooner303
i know our rivalry against spurs is a long one.. however, i'd prefer to see our team measure against the other big 3.. it serves no purpose comparin us against spurs for 4th best in the league.. i aint proud of that.
McGooner
As he's had a pay rise and has stated he has no interest in leaving why would Berbs move to ManU a club he's already said No to? Bale is a left back, Chimbonda is a right back ........ hardly the most sensible replacement
kernowboy
we all saw how Chimbonda defended when we came to your THREE POINT LANE, and tore your team to shreds, he can't even defend well against our Carling Cup team. Simmo what is wrong with you. Eboue is miles ahead of him. and dun insult Alex Hleb by comparing him with Lennon. Hleb has performed well at the highest level of European football, whereas Lennon has never even played there, and it's highly unlikely that he will if he stays at his small club..
luckys_10
Bale was signed to play on the wing instead of Lennon and Bent was signed for his magic feet. Of course Berbatov would say that, he doesnt want to drop his own value and that at least shows he has more respect for his club than anyone else does. What with Defoe, Zakora & Ledley King leaving too then I would be surprised if you dont get relegated.
gooner303
and kernowboy, your knowledge of football is very poor. Toure, Gallas and Senderos are all proven players at the highest level of club football, whereas your trio of Kabol, Dawson and King haven't even played there. and Kabol and Bale haven't even played in this league, so judge them only if they perform. and Van Persie had 11 goals in 22 appearances, whereas Barbiedoll had 12 in 33, so RVP easily beats him too. only post here if your comments have any credibility and truth in them..
luckys_10
That is hilarious - Adebayor over Defoe ?
Boony
Can someone please explain to me why us and sp**rs are constantly being mentioned in the same sentence???....we were joint third last year, reached a cup final and felt largly deflated, while the 'successful' spud season was qualifying for the uefa crap on the last day and bottling it in as soon as they were drawn against some reputable oppostion...we've also just built 60,000 seater stadium and reached a champs lge final...can the ridiculous comparisons end now for *****s sake...
Anon 1
What are you talking about Anon 1? Spurs reached 2 quarter finals and a semi final last year! They beat the mighty Braga, Southend and Fulham in those runs :)
iceman10
Berbatov didn't actually commit himself to spuds at all. Admittedly at first he was all "I'm staying" but then when the interest of man utd got more intense his attitude became "I'm happy here, but you never know & man utd play great football which suits my game"...........Didn't Carrick have 3 years left on his contract when he was sold?? I'm not saying Berbatov will leave, because simply this summer he won't. However should spuds not make top 4 this season, he & a few others will certainly be off. Spuds have to make top 4 after spending so much or the club as a whole will look stupid for yet again making the wrong signings. Arsenal don't have that pressure now because everybody expects us to fail.
Ashburton Gooner
I am looking forward to Seeing how many Arses will be ridiculing the Ufa cup next season. Beggars can`t be choosers. So you would not like it to add to your European trophy cabinet. Oh I forgot it`s EMPTY!!! ZERO ZILCH!!
cockeril
How surreal is all this? Spuds posting here about empty trophy cabinets!
Amos.
I will answer one point at a time. Kaboul has played at the highest level of French football, for their U21s and has considerable European experience - Auxerre have said Inter, Chelsea and Juventus were after him .. who has been after Senderos? Bale has played international football at the highest level, when did Clichy made his international debut? Carrick had less than two years on his contract. Berbatov turned down Man Utd before joining Spurs. He made public statements to that effect .. how is it when Fabregas says he is going to stay you all believe him ... remarkable. Hleb has never turned out at the World Cup and has hardly set the world on fire in the CL apart from getting you knocked out. How many goals to RVP create for other players ... look at all the stats, not just the ones the favour your players if you are to make an honest and intelligent comparison. Gooner303 little child, we will sell the players we want to sell. All our players are locked down long term .. we are a cash rich club in the black and we haven't even touched the huge sponsorship deals we got a couple of seasons ago yet ... you are saddled with a ludicrous debt from Pikey Grove .. why do you think Dein opposed it, Wenger is handcuffed for the next 10 years and cannot compete with the top teams already causing disenchantment which has led to Henry leaving and Gallas complaining. And with less than a year left on his contract I'd be seriously more concerned about Wenger leaving before any of our Spurs boys.
kernowboy
Harryboy can console himself that at least when Berbatov is sold next year, he will be making room for some home-grown talent.
Andy-bayor
Yes Amos, it appears our cockeril friend is tripping! The way he squawks, you would have thought he was an exotic bird instead of a lame chicken. He's had to re-stick his feathers back on so many times, he's totally disorientated!
Andy-bayor
Oh btw Simmo, nice one on a balanced and thought-out article. the only thing I would change is to compare (like our resident buffoon suggested actually) DaSilva with Bent which is a draw. I would venture that Berbatov v. RVP is also a draw due to our man's better ratio, but the fact that Berbatov has been delivering all season long.
Andy-bayor
Andy-bayor is a mentally deficient cretin. I'm surprised you aren't bumming on your hols with lover boy Little Gimp
kernowboy
So Moronbayor you jump on the Little Gimp bandwagon ... tell me, have you EVER had an original thought of your own?
kernowboy
I think this was pretty well done. I agree with the majority of the comparisons, but some do raise a few eyebrows. I think Lehmann/Robinson is close, but I really feel that Lehmann's experience and quality in big games (with the exception of his professional foul in Paris last summer) puts him over the top. If we are going to compare players based upon their experience on the biggest stage and on the highest level, I think Lehmann is the choice. Bale has a ton of potential, and made a name for himself at the Championship level, similar to Walcott. But if you are comparing on a Premship basis, how can you even consider him to be above Clichy? He hasn't even got a game in yet. And King/Dawson vs. Toure/Gallas? Are you kidding me? Gallas and Toure are super super class. There is no comparison here, at all. The only time King or Dawson would get a run for England would be if everyone else was injured. Gallas and Toure are world class starters, and have been for a while. Finally, Gilberto is without a doubt better than Zakora. Look at the stats, ask the players, ask anyone with half a brain. How can you even compare these two?
Outkast81
Kernoboy, please refrain from insulting members. Thanks.
simmy8_2000
Silly little spuddies, this is the footy equivalent of John Wayne Bobbitt trying to take on John Holmes, they truly are the worlds most delusional set of subbie snivels. You can smell the decades of bitterness and jealousy oozing from their rabid cyst ridden fingertips. Look don't blame us just cos when you were younger the badge with the chicken on appealed to your juvenile sensibilities, maybe you thought that in real life roadrunner always eludes the coyote, now you know different, he gets caught, the savage teeth maul the stringy neck as its tossed from left to right, finally its torn apart and wolfed down. Aah that reminds me, NL Derby again soon. Afterwhich all these brave Foghorn leghorn mutha****as will become Speedy Gonzales' and mysteriously hightail it outta vital.
nikolaijns
I have to agree with you Outkast81, whilst I defend Spurs boys to the hilt I almost spat my coffee out when I read the suggestion of Zakora over Gilberto ... bit of silly comment for the Spurs author. I don't see the Toure/Gallas partnership having been proven yet, whilst Dawson and King works really and I think this was reflected in how badly Robinson suffered with King injured last season. Also I think playing out of position for so long has had an impact on how well Gallas can actually play centre back. He's been moved around too much and I think it will take a long time to settle back into that role. Carragher only became a really solid CB when he was settled into that role for over a season and not moved about to fit a teams needs
kernowboy
Simmy8_2000, of course when they stop implying I am someone they have previously had a grudge with ... whilst they continue to insult me in such a way, I shall continue to insult them back
kernowboy
Thats a good point kernowboy...I guess Mourinho playing hide-the-CB can have an effect on someone with so fragile a psyche as Gallas appears to have. And I would defend Arsenal boys to the grave, but is anyone else getting sick of Veira alternating his "Arsenal is finished/Arsenal is the greatest" crap? I mean, come on, someone should tell this dude that he isn't wearing the captain's armband anymore.
Outkast81
Well I think Viera is confused as anyone. While fans wants big signings, if the club spends £3m here and £4m there on youngsters it all eats into the transfer budget and is planning for tomorrow not today. I read you've just spend £3-4m on some Argentine kid ... it all adds up.
kernowboy
well presented simmy - the only one i would question would be the eboue-chimbonda one.

kb, whilst you say that the toure/gallas partnershp still has some question marks about it, you are right, but this piece is comparing individuals on the two teams, not partnerships...»»Arsene Knows««
Wingston75
The defence is a draw with you just shading the midfield while we have the better attack.But crucialy next year we will have the best subs bench.Cerny,bent,defoe,kaboul,Tarrabt (gonna be quality) while your have Alumina,freddie and those couple of young french players.
HATEtheGOONS
Wingston75, based on last season Gallas was inferior to Dawson who was oustanding when having to lead a fragmented defence. Gallas was good in places, but often poor. Based on his outbursts he is an inflated opinion of what appear to be diminishing skills. Toure and King can often be a tie so I'll rely on the judgement of your illustrious No14 who rated King the best defender in the Premiership
kernowboy
Titti`s opinion does not count know. After all he only single handily won all those trophies (many moons ago)
cockeril
...speaking of opinions that do not count.....
SUX2BU
I ont see how spuds have improved, ok we lost a lot of games against teams we shouldnt have done, so did they. But tell me where they improved, what signs are there obvious that say they are better? Last season spuddies finished 8 points below us, the season before they were 1 point behind us, when did they out play us in four attempts? all without thierry. When did they last out play any of the top four? Even when they beat the chavs they hung on in for ages. I know and all gooners know, we will miss TH14, what team wouldnt, but our manager will unearth another little gem. We do things the Arsenal way, talk is cheap spuds fans hey ! ! ! ! ! To coin a famous Everly Brothers song "Dream, Dream, Dream, Dream. I rest my case.
gunnerb
Arse and Henry= title contenders. Arse Minus Henry = Uefa Cup Hopefulls.
cockeril
and cockeril minus eril = Cock
iceman10
kb - sorry, i'm not sure if you refer to dawson or gallas regarding the 'fragmented defence' comment. Gallas played only the 21 times in the league last season, quite a few times at left back (that in itself indicative of a fragmented defence, if you meant dawson earlier), compared to dawson's 37, and gallas' season was broken up by spells out injured, thus denying him the opportunity to build up any great understanding with his partner in central defence. When he played, he did well, though i expect more of him this season. »»Arsene Knows««
Wingston75
Your taking it worse than I thought.
cockeril
I was referring to Dawson who despite a young age had to lead the defence with the likes of Davenport and Gardner beside him meaning he had to make an even greater effort. Gallas shouldn't be compared to Dawson as he's essentially been a utility defender. Senderos would be the better example to compare with Dawson. I know who I'd rather have. Gallas would be better compared to Rocha who also played at fullback. Dawson thrashes Senderos but Gallas shades Rocha
kernowboy
kb - that's ludicrous - describing gallas as a utility defender is liek saying the same for ledley king, as he's ben played in midfield. If you'd not describe kind as such, then gallas doesn not warrant being described as such either. Gallas is a central defender of the utmost quality who just so happens to excel at left back also. And as for comparing Willie to Rocha, well, i can only assume you were splitting your sides when you wrote that. instead let's compare dawson to gallas, who wins hands down, and rocha to senderos, who also wins hands down. And if anyone wishes to raise the whole 'senderos and mistakes' thing, i was there when rocha fell over in the area when trying to clear the ball in the CC semi at the grove, with no-one around him, hardly something to inspire confidence... »»Arsene Knows««
Wingston75
* like; been playing; King as such.
Wingston75
Senderos struggles to beat Cygnan and both are inferior to Rocha. You are certainly lose hands down there. Rocha made 1 single mistake .. Senderos *****s himself at the mere mention of Drogba, and has the turning circle of an oil tanker
kernowboy
Funny, I recall Rocha making 2 mistakes that cost you dear against us. I know the Grove turf is impressice, but did he really have to munch on it?
simmy8_2000
I cant belive they tried to compare dawson to our world class toure he is light years ahead of him
Thierry_Power
Senderos is younger than Rocha by six years, and learning his trade all the time. And this whole aura of him being a liability is blown out of proportion, he was very solid the season prior, both in the league and the CL. He's a very good organiser at the back, not blessed with pace it's true but them then neither was Adams and nor is Terry. He DOES face something of a make-or-break season, but I have faith in him proving himself, based on what I've seen him do before, not blind hope. »»Arsene Knows««
Wingston75
Harryboy, you still on it?? Must be a busy life being someone who mixes sober analysis at VitalArsenal whilst also "not having any gooner friends and damn proud of it"... because us football fans get carried away talking about the game we love, we forget (for a bit anyway) that we have in our midst moronic individuals like yourself. You ain't fooling anyone, its all there in black and white - a time-wasting, rooting-tooting fool!
Andy-bayor
LMFAO Wingers and Andy, I'd love to stick around but I'm bursting for a big smelly Rocha lol, hope Trottybum keep the turf surfin joker - hes a real Roy Munson!!
nikolaijns
The only thing you should be comparing Rocha to is a Flymo 3000! He was trying to cut the grass with his teeth right?
iceman10
Agree with all thats said except Dawson and Gallas. I would go with Dawson as I thought Gallas was not that great last year. He has a right to speak out though if I were him, I would make sure I was player of the season this year or he needs to seriously look at himself. You need to be playing well before you start knocking your teams ambitions or players. I wonder what the likes of Cesc, Gael, RVP , Tomas think when he says we dont have experience. Not so sure I agree with that.
themadafrican
Moron-bayor, where have you been? - desperating pining for Little Gimp? ... again, again .. please I hope that you can come up with a thought of you own one day, though I suspect some with an IQ of under 70 you'll be challenged in the extreme to do so.
kernowboy
It's really disappointing that you are able to use a keyboard Harry. It's beyond me (you're right - I must be thick) how someone can question others intelligence when their arguments vaporise as soon as they meet resistance - only to be replaced by the chants and rants of a narrow-minded fool. You are to buffoonery what Monet was to art.
Andy-bayor
Seems that in general people agree that the Gunners squad are ahead even if by a hair's breadth. It's interesting to compare (even if Harryboy did suggest it) the areas of the team. Defence - you would have thought that neither defence was up to it's best, but on checking the figures for goals conceded, we were 4th while Spuds were equal 14th! Maybe I'm a lot more uninformed than you guys, but I thought our defence was worse than that. Spuds conceded 19 more goals than us! Nineteen! This is the difference that they need to overturn if they want to finish above us. Even their biggest dreamers would admit it's a big obstacle. Given that neither squad had a settled and injury-free back line, but that it will improve this season, is there any major reason to believe we won't trounce them again?
Andy-bayor
Midfield - do we need too many stats for this? Opta suggest that along with ManU, we were the team with the biggest number of successful passes in the league, with Bert and Cesc featuring in the Top5 passers. As a team we achieved a third more successful passes than Spuds! If the midfield is the engine-room of the team, what have our neighbours got to do to kick-start theirs, let alone overturn it. Their mantra "just a LM please" sounds a bit desperate. Our midfield is a goldmine and beats theirs hands-down.
Andy-bayor
Attack - we have to put DaSilva and Bent aside as they are new purchases and we can't see what they will bring. We scored 6 more EPL goals than them and with the same shooting accuracy. They had a very high concentration of goals coming from their main attackers, but our was more spread partly through injury. How do we compare strikeforces now? We can say RVP cancels out Berbatov, although the former has a higher goals-to-games ration than. That leaves us with Keane and Defoe against Ade and Walcott, which on the basis of last season I'd say they were more effective. So they are better in sth striker section. Will this repeat itself this year? I don't see how they will improve significantly as their preferred pairing up front would do well to replicate last season's performance. I don't think that ours can get any worse - if we have ridden out this much instability last season, you would hope that it's only up from here. Overall I don't see how Spuds are gonna catch us something goes drastically wrong at the Grove.
Andy-bayor
Fair analysis there Simmo, but even fairer from Andy. I just dont see how the spuds are a better squad, or are better player on player. Everyone is on about how Arsenal are in decline and how spurs are tipped for 4th place but spurs choked more than once last season (CC semi, FA Cup against Chelsea etc), which is a bigger problem than Arsenal's, which is simply putting away the countles chances we create. Their defence leaks goals, and I am being kind to them with that description. Speaking of King/Dawson in the same breath as Toure/Gallas is sacrilege, as Andy has rightly pointed out the number of goals conceded by the spuds. I know King was out injured for a while, but so was Gallas, and that evens things out when comparing.
prits
Atleast this time, the players compared on the spurs article made more sense, where they have compared players in the same positions. Unlike last time, when I think they compared a RB to a mid-fielder.
prits
Moronbayor, it is in your reference to your pathetic, juvenile and idiotic attempts to try to suggest I am this Sir_Harry character. Vital Spurs admin I am sure know I am a 100% different person. The only thing I think I have in common with him is both of us are disappointed that the top teams but most especially Arsenal do not appear to make greater effort to develop English players. Just because I think he threatened Little Gimp's job as a lavatory attendant means Little Gimp thinks this guy must be hiding in the shadows. I personally think Lavatory attendants are grossly undervalued and should be applauded - its not a job I'd like to do. Whilst you continue to make your moronic attempts to jump on Little Gimps bandwagon, I shall continue to refer to you as a Moron, because only a moron could confuse two completely different posters.
kernowboy
With the analysis I dont see any anything overwhelming to suggest that Spurs will play in the CL next year. They dont have the quality and we have plenty of it
Zimbolicious
Far be it for me to question whether we don't have the quality, but exactly on what do you base. King not quality? Chimbonda not quality? Bebatov not quality? Dawson not quality? Keane not quality? Bent not quality? Robinson not quality? Lennon not quality? They may not be world class but to say we have no quality is IMO childish
Topspur1
No bandwagon Harryboy, you just speak exactly like he did, and you protest a bit too much so it smells fishy... in fairness it's no matter whether you’re the same poster or not – you are equal in terms of arrogant , hard-nosed stupidity! You came here pretending just to be a bit 'disappointed' that we bring few English players through, but in reality you’re just a fuming anti-Gunner out to impose his agenda… maybe that’s why someone labelled you fascist – a bit strong but you get the point! There was merit in discussing what’s wrong with the English game, but you tried to do that by aiming your fire on us, which shows that you didn’t want a debate – ie a time waster. When people argued, out came your neo-colonial humourless drivel: ”I was fortunately born British. Everyone else are just wannabes”, “Arsenal’s anti-English cradle-snatching, lazy manager” etc. You might have started by questioning the FA, Sky(!), The Premier League itself, or the rules in general, but it was a bit much for you I guess. You are more guilty of what you accuse us of - don’t pretend your manager buys or gives players a chance for their Englishness. As already stated above, MJ bought the ‘talented’ Zokora, Ghaly, Rocha, and Tainio, effectively squeezing the English out. Remember your hypocritical words in a couple of years when we are done developing the next round of English talents while your academy sleeps. Anymore rubbish and I've got a good mind to get the slipper out!
Andy-bayor
Fair play to you btw Topspur, but nobody said those players were bad, but your overall squad is still not up to ours. You are weaker in defence and midfield, and you might argue that your defence isn't so bad, but check the numbers out - they say you need more improvement than we do!
Andy-bayor
Moronbayor I'm not sure whether I should be flattered or scared that you seem to be stalking this other guy and now me, even analysing what we write .... when you finally acquire a brain your idiotic imbecile, at no point have I criticised the signing of foreign players ... I have criticised the ridiculous import of huge numbers seriously regressing the opportunity of youngsters born in this country, The next round of English talents will undoubtedly be sold without ever getting a chance. you stupid purid pile of pondlife. Take the following as an example - Last season JUSTIN HOYTE had an excellent season, form he has taken into the U21s, whilst KERREA GILBERT had a very strong season on loan to Cardiff. So what to you do? You sign Sagna. So adespite doing all that was asked and more, this has meant Hoyte drops down the pecking order again ... personally Hoyte could be the long term replacement for Gary Neville, but never while he's at Arsenal because having been outstanding, he doesn't just have to replace Eboue, he has to replace a £7m player now as well!!!!!. Please explain how this is giving Hoyte a fair and decent opportunity?
kernowboy
8 foreign Doctors - 3 bombs - no deaths. Harold Shipman - one Doctor - one syringe - 300 dead - makes you proud to be British.
kernowboy
Harryboy, my point is the same one that others have asked of you and you failed to answer - why do you ask these questions of us when you sign average-to-sh(i)te players like Zokora, Ghaly, tainio, Rocha, Ekotto... how many bought-and-buried English players do you have, apart from Routledge, Murphy, and Ifil that I know of! Do you get the message? You are doing EXACTLY WHAT YOU ACCUSE US OF! Check your own back-yard before spouting forth and stop trying to sound intelligent. I can't stay and chat, I'm off to the gym to get my slipper-arm strong and ready for you!
Andy-bayor
We would be the 1st to recognise the fact that our defence needs strengthening, and again if you visit our message board you will see that we also recognise that our midfield needs strengthening. But I'm sure you must realise we are getting closer, and IMO the only real difference between us now is Wenger
Topspur1
Andy I don't want to get in the middle of your discusion with kernowboy, but if you look at our squad it is mixed with both overseas players and british players i.e. Robinson, Dawson, King, Bale, Defoe, Jenas, Lennon, Bent, Gardiner, Huddlestone
Topspur1
Moronbayor, you gimp loving retard - Not all players succeed despite if you read on the VitalSpurs site you will see me calling for Routledge and Ifil to get more of an opportunity. Of those you mention Zokora was a WC2006 star and highly rated, Assou-Ekotto was rated the best left back in France by Francefootball in 2005-06, Tainio had a bank of European experience and is a full international, Ghaly is a full international and has a bank of European experience, Rocha is a full international and has a bank of European experience. I note how such an intellectually challenged imbecile such as yourself would struggle to say how an English guy at Arsenal has now been pushed down the pecking order despite playing very very well ... do you struggle to dress and feed yourself, such a pathetic individual must require help with these basic functions ... you sign the likes of Alumina who's as close to ever getting a Spanish cap as I am .... moron!!!
kernowboy
Harryboy, your language, spite and 'footballing' excuses, confirm what an uber-tool you are. You justified your English lads being sidelined because your line up consists of apparent World-beaters! Do you listen to yourself? You said: "We didn't play the local lads because we thought the foreigners (Ghaly, rocha etc) would be bloody great!" Excellent! So now you are saying that our clubs operate similar policies of selection by virtue. What a hypocrite… do you go to VitalSpuds insulting your colleagues and calling them anti-British? Don’t worry – at least you can be proud of your all-conquering heroes who huffed and puffed to 5th place last year! While I like the notion of home-grown contingents, the FA is the one that needs to get the ball rolling, acting before momentum gathers for breakaway Super-leagues. They made a fantastic start – this most British of Institutions – by wasting money on the stadium instead of an academy. An inept FA with Spud apologists! The difference is that the Gunners academy WILL ACTUALLY HELP to produce local talent, and since your Spud factory is about as useful as the FA, you’ll end up buying English players that we produce! Ironically, idiots like you will be able to savour the fruits of our labour (we don’t mind sharing) and we won’t rip you off like Charlton just did either, you sad little thing!
Andy-bayor
Topspur, as far as I know, the Premiership rules do not currently award points for fielding british players, so I'm not sure what your point is! Are you suggesting we stop picking squads on a merit basis? Would you be happier in 5th place with 8 brits, or vying for the title with 2 brits in your ranks? Forcing rules on numbers of local players is a false tactic, even if some buffoons would have it forced on us. For those that crave more british players, the aim should be to fight to up the standard of the next generation of british players, so that they become undroppable (like that idiot Terry). I have not watched youth football but from the little I have seen on the training pitches it doesn't fill me with enthusiasm.
Andy-bayor
MoronBayor, they are my colleagues on VitalSpurs ... you are just a brainless little creep of marginal intelligence, as typified by your inability to distinguish between me and a totally different person - retard ..... now get over your disappointment that Little Gimp didn't take you on hols with him for some 'lovin' .... this was demsonstrated by putting your words into quote marks and trying to suggest that was directly what I said - now pay attention, I shall avoid using big words a) I said I was not happy that Ifil and Routledge were not used more b) the foreign players you mentioned were international players with European experience unlike players from the reserves of Celta Vigo .... now surely even your feeble excuse of a brain can understand this ----- oh and while you insult me, I shall insult you back .. YOU uber-tool
kernowboy
And no response about JUSTIN HOYTE .. outstanding young English defender, did well last season, now pushed down the order by the impending signing of Sagna ... HOYTE proved himself and that was still not enough.
kernowboy
And reflecting on Wenger's comments regarding Prince Charles last year, you can read all you need to know about his attitude. You mention the fact that there may be a lack of basic skills on the training pitches ... the whole point of restrictive numbers is it forces the top coaching talent like Wenger (allegedly) to work with these kids - it is far too easy to come up with a raft of excuses. Last season HOYTE after he'd settled was a far superior defender to Eboue and was useful going forward. You said British players should fight to make themselves undropable. Please explain what else HOYTE could have done? You don't sign £7m players to sit in the reserves and its obvious that Hoyte will be pushed down the order
kernowboy
kerowboy, the consensus is that Eboue is a better RB than Hoyte. Yes, Hoyte may be better defensively than Eboue, but overall, Eboue brings far more to the Arsenal side. Nobody knows what Wenger has planned for Sagna. Hoyte has just signed a long term deal, so I dont believe Wenger has lost faith in him. It will be upto Sagna to prove that he is better than Hoyte, and if he is, then Hoyte will be dropped because he is not as good enough as the other 2 RBs. It is as simple as that.
prits
Zakora better than Gilberto??? WTF
afghenry
Tottenham have years to catch up with what we have done since premier was formed i personally think you cant compare arsenal and spuds what so ever
wyndedapper
lol, you are a prize twit aren't you Harryboy? Talking with you is like swimming through a lake of concentrated sh(i)te. Hoyte is a great player we dont want to lose, and hope he'll figure more this season. For the first team he has his work cut out though - let him fight I say, and our Boss will know when and where to use him - but if Arsene needs a a 2-bit fool to help him manage our club, I'll tell him you're available. You are so intent on pouring scorn on our club, you neglect everything else said about the FA etc. and that English football has to be raised through graft not nationalist venom or restrictive numbers. You use players on merit like we do, so stop justifying yourself by the "Rocha is a great 'international'" argument. Try to be less petty - I quoted you in good faith and by direct implication if not the exact words, but you protest like a little squealing girl having her hair pulled. As said previously your own academy is not very good, but when the talent comes through the GUNNERS ACADEMY you can buy English players that WE produce! If the irony will be lost on you, at least it will help you to despise us more.... but in the meantime carry on and knock yourself out with your humourless hatred.
Andy-bayor
As much as kernowboy protests that he is not Harry, the similarities in their views and more importantly, the way in which they are expressed, is unbelievably uncanny. Either way, their arguments are extremely hypocritical (I agree with Andy above) and is mildly xenophobic as well.
prits
"If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands." - Douglas Adams
tikabooson
Moronbayor ... I know this will desperately upset you but I'm not this twisted objected of love you have become obsessed by. Go stalk someone else pondlife ... you're argument would be more convincing if you could learn to read and write ... I said Rocha was a FULL International, not a GREAT International. I must accept though that due to your clear inability to read plain English you may have confused me with someone else. Prits, it is disappointing that you wish to join the self confessed retard group ... I am more than happy to be labled mildly xenophobic ...
kernowboy
Tikabooson .. "if it sounds like scum, dresses like scum and supports scum then its an ARSEnal supporter" - Kernowboy
kernowboy
Dear me, he splutters 5 portions of bile with every breath, lol. Come on guys, it's obvious we can't talk with Harryboy, let's just grab his ponytails and pull real hard!!
Andy-bayor
Kernowboy, I am more than happy to be part of this group that you desribe in such charitable terms. If you are 2 different people (and I dont rule out the possibility, however small it may seem), I suggest you look up Harry's posts and compare them to yours. How you accuse Andy of stalking you, when he is posting on a gooner forum has me stumped (like many of your arguments here).
prits
Pully hard on a blokes on ponytails is something you enjoy Moronbayor? are you always the pilot or do you also like being the co-pilot?
kernowboy
Prits, I was having a civilised conversation with your colleagues until Moronbayor appeared. He wished to continue a conversation from another thread/article. he obviously has some obsession which amounts to stalking. We all live in a democratic country where other people are entitled to hold different views. I disagree with the signing of overseas players who push English players like Hoyte down the list especially wheb they have played so well. Because of this I am labelled a RACIST by the likes of Moronbayor and Little Gimp who try to suggest I am someone they disagreed with before. As the Government have agreed with what I have said there is as much chance that this chap Sir_Harry is the current Minister of Sport.
kernowboy
Funniest thing is you're the only person who spells Sir harrys name correctly (with an underscore_) strange that.
iceman10
my apologies iceman10, in future I shall endeavour to be as inaccurate in my statements as everyone who posts on this site, taking the same liberties between what was actually said and what was claimed to be said ... note how I spell your name correctly ... OMG you're my doppelganger!!!
kernowboy
Im just wondering how you knew the correct or incorrect way of spelling it? Why would you put an underscore when nobody else has? Even you can admit thats a strange coincidence if nothing else.
iceman10
I was wondering who this bloke was iceman10 so I just went back through the archives. Its actually written down on the bottom of each post. As there are people who here with similar names, I thought it best to get it right. Unlike so many people who try to invent comments made by others, I think its important to be accurate or what happens is you start make accusations against the wrong person
kernowboy
Fair enough.
iceman10
Harryboy, if you did go back and check Sir Harry's rants, and are suddenly keen to appear such a thorough chap, you could do the same thing on our discussion in this thread. That will help you to correct some of your lies - you'll find I made a tongue-in-cheek comment to which your reply was to hurl insults; you'll also find I did not call you racist though you admitted to xenophobia - see, when you accuse others of attributing you words, you're on shaky ground. Now I may think you are a hypocrite and a tool but have no right to deny you your stance. You pleaded everyone's right to an opinion but tried to ram yours down people's throats - Wenger liking kids, being thick, being anti-British etc. I have an intense dislike of idiots who make agressive & nationalistic arguments and try to pass it as reasoned commentary, and will fight the point out. For someone with such a penchant for insults though, you get very easily offended eh?
Andy-bayor
Moronbayor what I have observed is that you have consistently exsggerated what I have said to make a point .. ie. Rocha is a great international where what I said was he was a full international; I never said you called me a racist, I said you labelled me a racist i.e. making comments and drawing such inferences as any reasonable person would arrive at that conclusion. Please stop telling lies because you are making an idiot of yourself. As my expressions have been no less and no worse than the current minister of Sport, Gerry Sutcliffe MP, maybe you should bitch about him you ****ing retard
kernowboy
Harryboy, you are thrashing about in your own kaka now, picking out 1 or 2 of the most minor inflections people add to your 'points' while conveniently forgetting the skip-loads of tosh you attempted to spoon-feed us. I think I'm done banging my head on your humourless wall as I am no match for your barrage of idiocy... any poor bugger reading the thread can see your descent into slander and rabid spite when pressed by others. Your arguments are poor for someone who may want to come across as knowing so much, but you cant bring yourself to admit that your own clubs academy is poor and that its very likely that in a few years Arsenal will be the ones developing a generation of Enlgish footballers while your academy and the FA sleep and talk arrogant sh(i)te. It's all true baby, get over it.
Andy-bayor
I don't normally respond to bigots but have just read this thread and can't see a fellow gooner being insulted in such an unwarranted abusive manner without stepping up to their defence: 1) I have read many of ABs posts and found them to be intelligent, articulate and often funny and certainly not cause for the kind of insults kernow_boy - sorry, kernowboy :-) - seems happy to throw about 2) Compare "you stupid purid pile of pondlife / you ****ing retard / you gimp loving retard / Pully hard on a blokes on ponytails is something you enjoy(?)" to Rocky7's intelligent posting on the vitalsp*rs 'Are we the new Arsenal' (LOL) thread: http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/sitepage.asp?a=72225 ...well, actually there is no comparison - different class completely. 3) "..I have criticised the ridiculous import of huge numbers seriously regressing the opportunity of youngsters born in this country.." kernowboy (how many times do we have to say this...) Arsenal contribute many young players to English football - the root of the problem lies deeper than us not fielding 'enough' English players. If genuine England fans really want to help our youngsters, go hassle the FA to improve the opprtunities/coaching standards at grass roots level. 4) Quote from kernowboy on a vitalsp*rs article: "..The difference between us and Arsenal including their fans is the latter HATE the English and are ashamed to be English." Silly me, I thought it was our numerous trophies, first-rate manager, superior squad, world class stadium, huge global fanbase, unbeaten run record, intelligent fans.........
BergkampsBoot
BergkampsBoot ... when Moronbayor stops insulting me, I will stop insulting that pathetic pile of stinking s**t
kernowboy
oh and you contribute zero to the English game so should be banned from representing English clubs until your scumbag club from top down have an attitude change
kernowboy
Oh Moronbayor, if you wish to both to read the threads (though I think you lack the basic literacy to do so), I only 'RESPONDED' with insults when you decided to (FALSELY) claim I am apparently someone else -- this Sir Harry bloke.... another pathetic lie to add to the multitude of other inaccuracies you spout ... I stated that clubs should be compelled to field a minimum number of English players .. not a big number but a minimum as top clubs should give REAL opportunities to local players > I was then called ARYAN, NAZI, RACIST etc .. don't lecture people on slander especially when the Minister of Sport has raised serious concern being afforded to English youngsters by this unregulated situation.
kernowboy
Ignoring the abuse.....kernowboy - re: your comments "...the Minister of Sport has raised serious concern being afforded to English youngsters.." I REPEAT: "If genuine England fans really want to help our youngsters, go hassle the FA to improve the opprtunities/coaching standards at grass roots level." There are a wealth of youngsters out here that are not getting the standard of coaching they deserve - despite their potential, their skills are not developed as they ought to be and they remain unspotted by clubs in the football leagues. I take it you have already sent your letter of protest at this situation to the FA....... "oh and you contribute zero to the English game.." I believe from a post you made on a vitalsp*rs article that you are interested in seeing one of our 'zero contributions' (Bentley) wearing a sp*rs shirt!
BergkampsBoot
Absolutely ... as the FA are responsible for the Premiership I would be delighted if they barred clubs who make minimal contribution to the English game representing the English league in European Club competition and will willing support any action/petition etc which supports this... with regard to David Bentley he will have succeeded despite you not because of you. And coaching tends to occur once they've gone to pro clubs ... due to your negative contribution in this area despite the wonderful contribution to the development of French and Spanish youngsters, maybe you ought to play in their leagues?
kernowboy
BergkampsBoot, thanks for that and confirming the obvious with a bit of class. Your good-natured enthusiasm has already been met with all the common sense of a rabid clown. Unless you are a qualified vet, Harryboy should be left alone with his sociopathic and seething mentality.
Andy-bayor
Thanks AB, must say I have to agree. Not meaning to be rude to kernowboy, but trying to debate with him is like banging your head against a brick wall (particularly regarding Arsenal's contribution to the English game) - he's already made his mind up and would rather resort to abuse or repeat himself than counter any point with a reasonable argument. I think he just likes being on the VitalArsenal forum more than he does his own clubs - in the 10 articles that vitalsp*rs posted on 10th/11th July, kernowboy made 10 posts - he's made 20+ on this thread alone!
BergkampsBoot
**** me, I am now being stalked by Bergkampsboot ... are you that way inclined? ... I'm straight so not interested ... and the only reason I am posting here is to deal with the ridiculous comments of Moron-bayor who frothing at the mouth cannot even include my correct comments ...
kernowboy
The moment the imbecile Moron Bayor stops endeavouring to make ridiculous remarks I will leave him alone in his sad old world of half-truth and distortion.
kernowboy
Oh dear, kernowboy - I need to take away that spade you keep digging such large holes with.......Bless you, but I am certainly not stalking you, merely researching anything I have to say, as I actually DO "think its important to be accurate" and like to have the facts to back it up..... and what way inclined would that be exactly...?? I am female (kind of blows your theory as to my sexuality out of the water, doesn't it?! Gooners, watch the sexist comments pour in!!) and I certainly don't see your narrow-mindedness as a particularly attractive feature!
BergkampsBoot
Harryboy, you should be flattered you quarter-wit! BergkampsBoot is a lady! I think though, that she prefers to talk football rather than stalk buffoons who have such an unhealthy hatred for our club, but still hang around our forums like their life depended on it. Your loathing is so intense its difficult to give it any credence whatsoever. One of us (clue - it's not me, and it ain't the lady) is definitely a spanner short of a tool-box.
Andy-bayor
Cue more ugly gems from Prince Charming, such as "I dont care if you are female, I wouldn't want to be with a gooner-girl if she were the last girl on earth".
Andy-bayor
:-) am expecting it all AB, will be interesting to see if he can reply without resorting to the usual (boring) views about female football fans.....and thank you for your comments - a real gentleman!
BergkampsBoot
slightly off topic for this article, but how do you think wenger would react if he was in the same position as mourinho? eg arsenal were suddenly bought out by a billionaire, or he moved to a club with a huge transfer kitty? would he spend spend spend and buy the players he wanted but could never afford, or would he still seek out young unknowns and try to turn them into world class players?
Dales_Dad
I'd like to think it would be the latter, Dales Dad. Habits die hard, and I dont think Wenger will change his whole football philosophy.
prits
I agree with prits - AW prefers to mould them into the kind of players he wants them to be, rather than paying over the odds for the 'finished article' that he has had no part in developing.
BergkampsBoot
Moron-bayor, why on earth should I be flattered? It is good to see that at least some Gooners trying to be accurate - you should take note of this salient fact as you are usually incapable of being accurate in almost all of your posts. As you spell Kernow as Harry you either suffer from severe dsylexia or severe stupidity. I wasn´t aware someone gender should have any impact about whether they can talk sensibly about football? Obviously you both do or you wouldn´t have even mentioned it ... or are you again Moronbayor trying to invent things to claim I said them? Personally Bergkampsboot, I am only resorting the abuse that Moronbayor instigated and directed at me ... why not research some of his posts? If you actually had read my posts instigated on an earlier article you´d see there was nothing narrow minded and I hold the same concerns as raised by Gerry Sutcliffe, Minister of Sport as well as UEFA and the EC, of the fielding of teams not having a single nationality of the league they are playing in represented and the damage this does to domestic football. Hardly the most narrow minded opinion, as it is held by many others - and I will admit not the most original opinion either.
kernowboy
kernowboy, again - ignoring the abuse - this was a slightly better reply than the one I expected! If you believe that AB was abusive, that is still no reason to retaliate in such a low fashion. YOU are responsible for what you post here, not anyone else. Will comment on the subject of being female VERY briefly - this was only raised because of your inference to me being attracted to you in a gay fashion!!! Only mentioned to put you 'straight' :-) ...and you are right - it has nothing at all to do with whether or not you can talk seriously about football............ With regard to the accusations of narrow mindedness - this is specifically directed at your refusal to listen to the arguments put forward regarding the so-called link between Arsenal not fielding English players and the (lack of) opportunities for English youngsters (how one club is responsible for the whole state of English football beats me...) I work in youth football at a local level - have done for years - and have seen countless youngsters that have shown potential to reach a higher level (even if it's just the ability to play for a League 2 team) just drift through the system and get lost because of the lack of decent coaching available to them. There is absolutely NO funding for youth football at a grass roots level - 99% of youth teams are entirely self-sufficient and have to rely on the goodwill and deep pockets of the parents involved. The problem with this is that along with parent donations comes the politics of it all (You can imagine the kind of thing - "my Freddie should be playing because I sponsored the kit this season" and all the backstabbing that goes with it. Believe me - I would rather take on the Elland Road crowd single-handed than get involved in the parent-politics of youth football!!) This is NOT the way forward for English football, hardly what you call a professional set-up. You can ban the entire football league, but this would not make one iota of difference to the opportunities afforded our youngsters. If we are really serious about improving things for our youth, then thr FA, and all of us out here, have to start getting involved a bit more in raising the standards from the bottom up. BTW, Chelsea were, in fact, the first English side to field a non-English 11 - albeit in the CL and not the Premiership - I trust you are being as vitriolic towards them on VitalChelsea....?
BergkampsBoot
Dales Dad I agree with prits and BB. When Arsene is not busy single-handedly destroying English football (eh Harry?), he remains at heart a traditionalist, so I'm not sure he would even put himself in a situation like Mourinho's. I'm not having a dig, but Wenger flagrantly rejects the vogue your club set for purchasing teams, and he prefers to build them... which is why I certainly feel he'll be around our club for ages as long as it doesn't fall into distant hands.
Andy-bayor
Harryboy, I can see you've made a profound effort to be civil! You can't discredit me, because try as I might I can't match you for talking rubbish - its all there in the threads you wrote on! Quoting authority-figures to bolster you doesn't not make you intelligent, especially as these people have little philosophy. In any case, people take exception to your special brand of malice and humourless, unsympathetic, in-your-face poo. Your bile-fuelled suggestions for repairing English football make you a prime candidate for the liberal arm of the BNP, or failing that, an FA extremist.
Andy-bayor
Interesting post BB... many times I’ve been waiting on pitches for colleagues to turn up and have sat idly observing local kids in training with their coaches and have marvelled at how - from such an early age - they teach them grit and determination, but with less emphasis on technique and teamwork. I didnt know it was so political at grass roots but it's no surprise to hear that there is no money (you listening Harryboy?) and that parents get sucked in. I am distrustful of the FA and doubt its heart is in the right place... I don't know if it's a cultural thing or if they get backhanders, but there is something seriously wrong with an institution that opts for show-off stadiums instead of concentrating on creating the next generation or two of local stars. I know the sheer commercialisation of the game forces things, but how the hell did the French (ruddy frogs Harryboy?) just go ahead and build Clairefontaine? Is it because they are whacky, or left-leaning, or passionate, or is it just common sense? I don’t mind posters taking cheap pops, but when some idiot does it trying to dress it as serious debate, just so they can get their hate-filled end off, it grates me.
Andy-bayor
Very eloquently and intelligentyly put AB......must say I was surprised that we didn't get the respomse from kernowboy that we were expecting, considering his previous posts - maybe spending so long on the VitalArsenal forum is rubbing off........ :-)
BergkampsBoot
you arse fans are so lame. adebayor? senderous? walnut? not being biased? u are having a laugh.
TKJ
That comment of yours couldnt stand up even if it had crutches, TKJ. Talking of lame, should we start with, Zokora, Kaboul, Mido, Taraabt?
prits
AB - Totally agree with your assessment of the FA (you've only got to look at the fiasco that was building Wembley2 to see how 'organised' they are! - wonder how much of that cash found it's way into certain pockets?) If England fans REALLY want to do something about the state of the English game, I suggest they turn their attention to those responsible and not - as you so wonderfully put it :-) - "get their hate-filled end off" attacking Arsenal.
BergkampsBoot
kernowboy, as you seem to place so much importance on accuracy and research :-D, on what evidence are you basing your belief that ".......the fielding of teams not having a single nationality of the league they are playing in represented and the damage this does to domestic football..........."
BergkampsBoot
BB, don't even ask! His pathetic rants have little value. Anyway, he has other worries now that England have fallen to 12th in the world rankings! Since the great Arsenal are directly to blame for this, he will be besides himself with fury... can you imagine - all that anger and poison in one little body?
Andy-bayor
Bergkampsboot, it should be noted that those leagues that have placed a restriction on the number of overseas players or have compelled teams playing within those associations to field a minimum number of domestically qualified players, have enjoyed a comparative improvement in performance through all of their age groups at national level. Both Italy and Scotland can provide a direct link to this improvement in performance. It should also be noted that whilst Clairefontaine was originally conceived in 1976, it was not opened until 1988 and it was only the French failure to qualify for 1994 plus their hosting of 1998 that led to significant investment. Because of the financial state of the French League they often have to develop their own youngsters, so maybe the Premiership should introduce a salary cap as a means of compulsion - this would allow teams like Barcelona to outbid Arsenal and stop getting their kids stolen. However it should be noted that France wouldn't have got WC1998 without Stade de France and England may not get WC2018 without Wembley. But ultimately what is the point of develop young players if certain teams will not afford them even a half decent opportunity. One Premiership game in 3-4 years is not a decent opportunity.
kernowboy
 

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Hull City 0 - 3 Arsenal
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Team P W D L GD Pts
1. Liverpool 35 25 5 5 52 80
2. Chelsea 35 23 6 6 41 75
3. Man City 34 23 5 6 56 74
4. Arsenal 35 21 7 7 21 70
5. Everton 35 20 9 6 23 69
6. Spurs 35 19 6 10 2 63
7. Man Utd 34 17 6 11 16 57

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