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Ian Wright & Spurs

First of all may I apologise for my lack of activity on the site, but I've had the more pressing needs of a rather vocal baby to attend to. However now he has appeared to have settled into to life at the Mustchin household, I should be around a lot more.

Now that's out of the way, let us focus our attention on the explosive personality that is Ian wright.

Speaking on his TalkSport show, he revealed that he doesn't know where his son, Shaun Wright-Phillips will be playing next season, but should it be Spurs, then he will gladly cheer on from the stands.

Wrighty said, 'If my son wants to play for Spurs, I will support him playing for Spurs. If it means small-minded Arsenal fans saying I will not be popular at the Emirates then they are idiots. I am now a football pundit, I am a Londoner and I support all London teams.'

Wrighty has enraged some Arsenal fans since retiring from the game with comments that I would only describe as honest, and I imagine that this latest statement will only serve to piss some fans off even more, although I won't be one of them.

Shaun is his son, and any good father would support the career changing decisions of his family without question. Some fans may fall into the trap of the media hype, claiming that Wrighty called Arsenal fans idiots. Which he didn't, he called supporters of our club who chastise him for supporting his son idiots, and I must say, I agree.

If any of our sons went on to play professional football for a bitter rival, which would you put first? Your family or your football team?




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Writer: Rocky7 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday July 18 2007

Time: 11:32AM

Your Comments

******** spurs scum mother *****er traitor son of a bitch whore Jol *****er ****. ***** YOU WRIGHT.
Henry14
It wasnt said like that. He was saying he would support his move not support the club. Stupis****! Ian Wright, Wright, Wright!!
Goofle
He is a Legend!
Goofle
I agree completely with this article. What else can a dad do? He must be understandably disappointed that his son has sunk so low but he has no choice but to support him. Wrighty will always be an Arsenal legend and I admire his honesty. I'm sure that if Arsenal gave him the choice then SWP would choose the gunners.
gooner303
Henry14, you are the small minded diot Wrighty speaks. Did you even read the article?
Rocky7
I love my family, but put them before Arsenal - no way!
Emkay
Lmao @ Emkay. I'm sure that isn't true!!
Rocky7
Sorry but I lost all respect for Ian Wright a long time ago. Of course he supports his son, but if my boy became a professional footballer & played for spuds I would hope he had a great game but I would still want Arsenal to win because they are my team!! Ian Wright is not an Arsenal fan so he can do what the f*** he likes, I couldn't give a damn either way because he is nothing but an ex player who tries to keep himself in the limelight!!
Ashburton Gooner
I agree with gooner303 there. You know that SWP would jump at the chance to come to us and personally I'd love to see him. I think he'd be a "loyal player", which is a term that keeps cropping up recently. Wrighty has always had a big mouth and it seems to me that his mouth does get bigger the more people he knows is listening to it. But ultimately his supporting son would always come first and rightly so. Doesn't mean that he'll stop being a Gooner legend!!!
scooch
Charlie George once contemplated joining Spurs and almost did until Dave Mackay at Derby rescued him from the shame. He is still happy to knock them any chance he can and is very much an Arsenal legend. For Charlie and all players it is just work - its how they earn their living and Wrighty supporting his son wherever he plays is no less than you would hope he would do. Instead of being angry with Wrighty we should feel sad for his poor son.
Amos.
AG - Where does he say he doesn't want Arsenal to win?
Rocky7
Why feel sorry for his son, this article has been somewhat edited because Ian Wright also said that Shaun doesn't want to play for arsenal!!
Ashburton Gooner
R7, firstly I didn't say he doesn't want Arsenal to win, but if you want to start playing those games he did say he supports all London clubs so therefore you can safely assume from that statement that he doesn't favour one london team over another!! Therefore if Spuds played Arsenal he would be neutral, but if his son was at spuds & playing then surely he would favour them??
Ashburton Gooner
I am sorry to say Rocky, that for me question marks have always hung over Wrighty in terms of his 'goonerness'. That said, I don't think his latest comments should be taken as some sort of affront to us, he is merely wishing that his son get away from the stagnation that has seized his sons career since moving to Lokomotiv. Swp would be a great addition for us tho and now would be the time to nab him.
GunnerBlood
I doubt Arsenal are interested in spoilt goods. Hes a good player but nothing special. If he doesnt end up playing for Arsenal its purely because Arsenal havent bid. I love it when players / agents (Zakora, Bale, Martins, etc) make out that they have rejected Arsenal, when the truth is that Arsenal didnt want them and didnt bid for them.
gooner303
AG - before shooting your mouth about editing, you might to think about what has been written. I've got no reason to comment that SWP doesnt want to play for Arsenal because it's completly irrelevant to what I'm trying to say. All I did was defend a man who has come into some stick for supporting his son.
Rocky7
That is a little discourteous of him AG but as he knows we don't want him at all he would have to say that and as a pre-cursor to joining the spuds it's probably a neccessity. The poor fellow is going to get it in the neck from those spuds that will forever see him only as Wrightys son and on top of that he has to endure the ignominy and shame of playing at WHL in a spud shirt. Show a little compassion!
Amos.
Your son can play for whoever he pleases,to support him as a player no worries but support Spuds never never never.
alwaysgunner
Fair points Rocky. I can't understand why people react to who he supports? He's just an annoying 'pundit' now, as he said himself, so who gives a damn about who he supports. What's the point?
Andy-bayor
I like Amos's point - a wry smile is all this merits.
Andy-bayor
R7, I don't intend to get in a slanging match with you. If you choose not to tell the whole story then thats your business, after all its best only to put the points in that sound good for your own argument. However Ian Wright made a clear point that SWP didn't want to play for arsenal which if you heard the interview was meant as a dig at the club. If you want to defend that sort of person then fair play!! As for me 'shooting my mouth', well its just my opinion so why is yours anymore valid than mine??
Ashburton Gooner
Sorry don't agree Rocky, if your point is about father son okay most would agree with you but he did say he supports all London clubs, that my friend is rubbish what gooner could support that rubbish?
alwaysgunner
AG - The fact that SWP doesn't want to play for Arsenal is his problem, not his dad's, it's got NOTHING to do with this, nothing at all. Whatever reasons people give for not liking Ian Wright does not concern me......this however should not be one of them. The shooting your mouth off comment was aimed at your snipe at my "editing". SWP's choice of club is not relevant to my defence of Ian Wright's decision to support his sons career even if he's playing at WHL.
Rocky7
I'm with Amos on this...his comments are all part of the game. I think that they'd probably both love SWP to play for Arsenal, but as it looks a possibility that he may be pulling on a sp*rs shirt, Wrighty is well aware of some of the flack that his son may take from their fans and is merely trying to eliminate some of that. (If it looks likely that SWP will be signing for sp*rs, he can hardly come out and say "I still support Arsenal/want my son to play for the gooners" and not expect a major reaction from the sp*rs fans. His comments are to protect his son and I think we should read between the lines and respect the fact that he has been prepared to sacrafice his reputation amongst the fans of the club I believe - deep down - he still holds dear)
BergkampsBoot
Don't think we should get too harsh or bitter (surely we're better than that).....we don't want to start sounding like sp*rs fans :-)
BergkampsBoot
Let him be!!! GDI!!! When SWP played for Chelsea Wrighty didn't get any stick either!!!
stukazufuss
Well said Bergkamp'sBoot. I'll state this again in simple terms. Ian wright should not suffer flack from Arsenal fans for being a dad. It's that simple.
Rocky7
GDI means God Da*n It !!!
stukazufuss
Putting myself in his shoes here, of course I'd support my family first i.e. a son in this case, whereever he plays. Playing for the sp*rs would be a blow to me as an Arsenal legend, however I'd like him to excell and succeed individually and perhaps break into the national team. On the other hand, never ever would I, as Arsenal through and through, lend the tiniest of farts as support to the garbage from the lane.
G4L
Its the only way spuds will ever have a true great at *****e fart drain, in the stands. Oh no sorry whats his name berbatov, he had one half decent season and scored a dozen cup goals, I suppose that makes him a legend in their eyes LMAO. UP THE GUNNERS RED ARMY RED ARMY
gunnerb
R7, my comment about the editing was not a dig of any kind. I didn't know if you had even seen the interview so I couldn't possible know if you edited it. You may have just seen a snippet on a website & reproduced it. The fact IW made a point of stating SWP doesn't want to play for Arsenal does have something to do with this discussion. He took the time to say it because it was meant as yet another pop at Arsenal fc (which seems to be his hobby these days), in my book thats a good reason to dislike him. I understand your point but as you put in about the fact IW doesn't know where SWP would be playing next season (surely just as irrelevant) then its better to give people the whole article & let them make their own minds up!!
Ashburton Gooner
HENRY 14 you nob end, wrighty is the true great, he was far better than Henry in terms of having the balls to get stuck in. He didnt runaway from us, he would have played until now if he could have done.
gunnerb
I agree Rocky, as Arsenal fans we should be higher than that and appreciate that he is doing the honourable thing by his son by putting himself in the firing line making those comments.
BergkampsBoot
AG - Written words can often be misuderstood and I'll admit that I thought you were having a pop. However, it is SWP's decision that he doesn't want to play for us, and surely Wrighty can not be held accountable for this. Don't shoot the messenger and all that. As I said, this article is about the defence of Ian Wright on this subject. Not about how annoying he has been in the past, or the fact that his son seemingly doesn't want to play for us. IMO Wrighty has read / heard the rumours that his lad may play for Spurs, and has tried to smooth the way should the move come to pass.
Rocky7
Rocky 7 I feel guilty now - I was just joking!
Emkay
AG - your comment "........The fact IW made a point of stating SWP doesn't want to play for Arsenal does have something to do with this discussion........." I understand your point, but think that if a deal with sp*rs is in the frame, Wrighty is doing everything he can to eliminate any hassle from their fans. (we know how bitter they can be, and so does Wrighty, I'm sure!) It's just part of the game and IW is doing his job as a dad.
BergkampsBoot
I don't understand why people get upset about what ex Arsenal players say, it carries no weight and has no relevance. Merson, Wright, Dixon, Smith are all pundits now and are paid to give their opinion. So if Merse thinks we'll struggle next season, he is dutibound to say so without bias. A little like Vieira's recent comments, personally it means the square root of ***** all to me because he is not on our payroll, he doesn't represent us. What should stay in your memory about people like Wright is how they played when they WERE wearing the shirt, the aforementioned ex Arsenal pundits above all played with passion and distinction, anything they say when they are not representing Arsenal is the opinion of just another pundit to me.
Little Dutch
Well said LD. We shouldn't be getting so worked up over this - just see it for what it is. Besides, if AW actually wanted to sign SWP, do you think for a second he'd even give our north London neigbours a second look?!! As Amos said: ".........he has to endure the ignominy and shame of playing at WHL in a spud shirt. Show a little compassion!"
BergkampsBoot
Nicely put LD, and how ya doing? not spoken to you for donkey's years!!!
Rocky7
Just back from my jollies Rock, I need another holiday to recover from this one! I ache all over, I must be getting old!
Little Dutch
To many of those dodgy cocktails I take it. Nice to see you back. Anyway back on topic.
Rocky7
So I may be reading a little more into things than I should be. But AW has intonated here... http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=news&article=477444&cpid=703&title=Wenger+-+Why+I+have+signed+Eduardo+and+Sagna that neither Sagna or Eduardo are the Super Class players he said he may get at the end of last season. Does that mean there's one more top class player on his way or am I just being stoopid? (hope you don't mind me posting the link guys)
scooch
This is actually working on the assumption that Spurs want to waste such money on a never will be when we discovered a better player for a tenth of the price. Very amusing to see how much store you put in meaningless paper talk. In the same article they say that part of deal with comprise the B&Q Tap thief Johnson. Its just SWP and his old man trying to rescue what remains of career ruined by personal greed by linking him to any club with deep enough pockets to afford the extortionate amount Chavski think he's worth. Really all rather sad and desperate.
kernowboy
When the players have served the club with such distinction and have been idolised for the priviledge it is not too much to expect the loyalty to extend beyond the pitch and the payrol...i'm not robotic enough to simply accept some of the comments made by certain ex players just because of the good service they gave in the past....As a former Arsenal record holder and having endured years of abuse from a certain group of supporters I would consider it an affront to everything I stand for if my son decided he wanted play for them and I certainly wouldn't encourage it.
Anon 1
Quite right Anon1, let his son fritter away what is left of a once promising career in the Chav's reserves
kernowboy
I understand your feelings Anon 1, but at the end of the day it is SWPs decision. Wrighty is the Arsenal legend, not his son, so we can't expect his son to show loyalty to us. As you say "..........having endured years of abuse from a certain group of supporters........" IW is well aware of the kind of stick his son will receive and is merely trying to back him up.
BergkampsBoot
If my son were to transfer from average man city, to chelsea and sit on the bench for 3 years and then transfer to spurs because they were the only club that wanted - and could afford - him i would support it, such as in Ian Wrights/SWP's case. BUT, if he were to be available to, or trial with, a whole bunch of spurs style mediocre PL clubs, eg. Blackburn, Villa, Bolton, Everto, and he chose to sign for spurs i would be incredibly insulted. But isnt Wrighty the one who told him to go to Chelski not Arsenal? I'm not sure about that because i'm from Oz and hadnt heard of newsnow then but thats how some people have made it sound. If that is the case then he can go ***** himself
Ozi Gooner
Ian Wright has his own opinions and when it comes to his son.. its the same thing. The thing is that.. he seems to be too vocal against us these days and even when TH14 signed a new deal last year, he made noises about the fact that he should'nt have done. So, I feel that he needs to draw the line somewhere.. otherwise fans will keep such things in mind and dislike him.
arsenalrulz4ever
I agree with LD and BB. Wright's successful Arsenal career should not preclude his son from doing what is best for HIS career, which might be a move to Spurs. Though I DO remember some of us mentioning that Wright played a part in influencing his move to Chelski in the 1st place, when it would have been better to move to Arsenal. Now that Arsenal is not interested, I dont see a problem. It will not diminish the respect for Wright in my eyes for what HE did as a player. I dont agree with most of what he says anyway, as a 'pundit' (that term is being used to loosely for my liking days these days, but oh well).
prits
Also whats with that high and mighty, self rightweous, i'm now a football pundit comment? he makes it sound like his one of the *****in' twelve disciples or something. Keys, Lawro, Shearer are all pundits now, so is *****in' Redknapp(?) and that doesnt make their opinions worth *****e to the rest of us... You were an ARSENAL player and if it wasnt for ARSENAL you wouldnt 'now' be a football pundit... That out of the way as i said if it was the best career decision for my son i'd support it, but agree with AR4ever about his negativity and talk like he is a scientist of all things Arsenal just co he scored goals for us - same goes for Merson.
Ozi Gooner
I don't think he comments more on Arsenal on purpose. He probably gets asked about Arsenal a lot more, plus anything he says about us will be sensationalised by the media. I doubt there would be much fuss if he said he thought Man City were going to get relegated next year. Whether or not you like a pundit is an open choice, I think most of them are tossers, but that's the beauty of football, it's opinionated and draws passion. But frankly, Ian's intentions for his son aren't really any of our business.
Little Dutch
SWP's chance of playing regularly next season is 05%.
k_chelski
Ian Wright used to claim he was an Arsenal fan, clearly that was a lie. He was my favourite player & to me Henry really didn't ever come close to him, because Henry had the luxury of playing with world class players from the start. Ian Wright didn't & had to carry the team basically on his own at times. However its the lies he has told & the now constant sniping at the club which has made me lose all respect for the guy. I'm sorry but a fan wouldn't carry on the way he has & personally I couldn't give a s*** about his pathetic son. He is 25 & his career is over before it even begun, maybe IW should have a look in the mirror & see exactly how he f***** up his sons life before mouthing off about arsenal. I just ask why ex players of other clubs do defend those teams whereas our ex players seem to delight in every doom story about the club, surely a little loyalty is not too much to ask!!
Ashburton Gooner
Don't worry, you have Gallas!
k_chelski
Sick of all this crap Robben to real oh dear Chelski. LD why are you not in Austria. Would love to hear your opinion on how the players perform. Lol Trevez can not go to MUSA. Glad we did not have the problem. Couch unhappy at the pool oh boy, and np betting spurs to win the epl 150 to 1 boy those odds are far to high Arsenal at 10 to 1.
alwaysgunner
Tevez now acting as a tourist guide in Manu. Then he goes back to Hammers to try and get in their team.lol
alwaysgunner
Ian Wright was absolutely spot on with his comments!
horseworrier
IAN'S WRIGHT WRIGHT WRIGHT.People don't like him because he can see the decay setting in at the Emi*****es.Don't your new signings remind you of the dying days of Grahams reign? Chris Kiwomya and Glenn Helder anybody?
HATEtheGOONS
No, not really....but you just reminded us all that you are an Ass-hat! Thanks
SUX2BU
well that was a bit of a boring thread to trawl through, you all sound like law students the way you're unpicking each other's arguments word for word, then going around in circles. reminds me of uni (unfortunately).
JakeB
Whereas spurs fans are just used to throwing chairs at anyone who disagrees with them, much more exciting.
Little Dutch
Or through missiles in an attempt to defend themselves against thuggish paramilitary civil guards who completely over react and like to attack women, children and the disabled, thinking that carrying a 9mm sidearm gives them a license to attack anyone as confirmed by the British police, independent observers and indeed the local civil authorities.
kernowboy
ohh no, here we go again.
prits
Ian Wright has a big mouth and a small amount of commonsense. He has slagged Arsenal FC, players, directors and manager aswell as our fellow fans on many occasions. Why should this or any new **** stirring comments surprise any of us??!! As someone wrote earlier, a wry smile and a roll of the eyes is all that suffices as unfortunatly we should be used to most of the rubbish coming from Wrighty's north and south by now!
LondonGooner
Sorry Prits, I thought you preferred factual accuracy above ill conceived prejudice and false statement?
kernowboy
The latter referring to your opinions, kernowboy? :)
prits
Which appear to be no different in lack of accuracy than Little Dutch's.
kernowboy
Most of you here have it right! Ian has done nothing wrong other than to say he would support shaun in the club of his choice! This is what dads do, If you find that part hard to follow, you either have no children or you are a bad Parent. If shaun had worn the shirt of Arsenal then gone to spurs, than this would have been wrong but its not the case.
huscarl
So if SWP moves to us (Spurs)....who will his old man be supporting during the North London Derby?
Tom_Yoof
You gooner lot consider Chelski more as rivals than Spurs yet you where very quiet when SWP joined them.... why the fuss now ? I finally understand how the term "SCUM" came about....
Teal007
well said mate. as a father yourself you can appreciate what he's saying, but the younger fans who dont know any better wont agree with you.
Dales_Dad
Can you blame he for slagging you lot off? You have 2 English players that you never play, the team dressing room language is French - IN ENGLAND! and you are a ***** team in decline... You will not get past the group stages in CL this year and will just about make the grade in the table to qualify for the UEFA Cup - Losers the lot of you! WHERES YOUR HENRY GONE???
Gavaldinho
Thank you Galvadinho. Where would debate be without the shining light of intellect bestowed upon us by the average spud? By the way the State opening of Parliament is conducted in French - IN ENGLAND! Oh and the motto of the British Monarchy is also in French - IN ENGLAND!
Amos.
Gavaldinho? that doesn't sound English.
Little Dutch
Ha ha! Great Little D. So much said in so few words.
Amos.
Thanks Amos ... the original motto was chosen by Henry V ... after he'd kicked the Frenchies arses at Agincourt because the common language of that time was still 'ancient' French and was also done to reinforce English claims to the Kingdom of France ... it should be mentioned that Ich Dien (motto of the Prince of Wales) is German, taken by Edward the Black Prince from John of Bohemia after defeating him at Crecy in 1346 in respect for his bravery. In both cases the expressions are lodged in history and there has rightly been felt no need to sacrifice history for some commercial whim. The State Opening of Parliament is in the majority held in English with a very small amount held in 'NORMAN' French, distinct from current French and a legacy of the Conquerer. As a club who are always prepared to sacrifice their history - leaving South London, calling their new ground after a Middle-Eastern airline etc - it is not surprising that with your average intellect, these points are lost on you.
kernowboy
Not lost kernowboy - just totally irrelevant like most of your posts. Well done for your use of Wikipedia though and for taking the trouble to confirm and reinforce the point I had already made with greater brevity. It was kind of you but really not needed.
Amos.
Not really .. Gavaldinho pointed out that Wright is a great supporter of England so it must stick in his throat your policy of having as fewer English players as is possible ... you responded with some lecture about how the British Monarchy have a French Motto - introduced at a time when the English monarch also claimed the Kingdom of France so an irrelevant statement, and how the State paliament's opening is conducted in French - a false comment. Explain to me what the relevance of how the British government conduct tradional ceremony has to do with Football? and you lecture others on irrelevance HAHAHAHAHA
kernowboy
Now you haven't taken the trouble to read the posts have you kernowboy? If you are going to pretend to be an intellectual you really need to take a little more care. I mentioned nothing about Wrightys support of England and neither did your mate. You partner Galvadinho attempted to make some point about one of the languages used in our dressing room expressing horror that someone could speak french - IN ENGLAND. I simply pointed out the paradox in his position given the role the language does play in Britain a point which you clearly confirmed despite a pathetically irrelevant attempt to qualify part of it as not 'current' french. So there's the relevance. On the otherhand your pious, pretentious post can be clearly seen for the pseudo posturing that it is.
Amos.
But in the same light that modern English is not the same as 'Olde English' and many people today would struggle to understand the language spoke in Tudor times if not earlier, it is the same with French - and if you'd actually studied languages Norman French is so different from French as to almost consitute a foreign language to the French - after all the Normans were originally from Scandinavia ...... seven words in a motto doesn't consitute the same as having a conversation in a foreign language. Many clubs still have a Latin motto - does that mean we should all be speaking Latin? ....... Regarding Ian Wright, anyone who's seen him on the BBC will realise he is extremely patriotic and therefore would undoubtedly be disappointed that Arsenal often cannot find a place today for an English player in the first XVI. I didn't think Gavaldinho needed to spell it out - most people would have realised that rather than endeavoured to split hairs.
kernowboy
And you have the nerve to talk about relevance with a post like that? And frantically trying to find a way to claim that your mate said what he clearly didn't!!! In some other exchange I likened you to a dog that constantly barks for no other reason than it likes the noise it makes. Find a reflective moment and read carefully through the part of the thread that you have concerned yourself with. You may even, given time, see how uncannily accurate that description is.
Amos.
typical arrogant gooner ... raises an irrelevant comparisin and then bleats all day when someone takes them up on it - tosser
kernowboy
Give it a rest Harry, it's like bloody deja vu. Whoops, was that too French for you there Joan of Arc?
Little Dutch
Not waving but drowning eh! Go and bark somewhere else. You are way out of your depth over here.
Amos.
Good goal by Walcott tonight chaps eh!
flv
It's not just any old dog Amos - it's an ugly British bulldog dont'cha know!
Andy-bayor
so at what point did nationality become an issue in this article comment thread? what on earth does this have to do with the original discussion? nowt... just some sorry spud with a 'foreign' name (surely there must be a spud or two who will take issue with that flagrant display of non-britishness...) who's trying to make a big noise while saying ****-bloody-all of merit. »»Arsene Knows««
Wingston75
Gareth Bale is Welsh just like me. I wonder if he's a parasite because he doesn't play for his local team?
flv
all foreign players and fans should be hanged...
k_chelski
Ah ha, Little Dutch has returned. Still see that basic literacy is failing you again. It appears that only dyslexic gooners spell Kernow with a H. Back to working those shifts down the public loos must have been a bit deflating. It does not appear to be a 'foreign player' thread - Wright was also a big patriotic Englishmen as demonstrated by his performances on TV. Therefore he'd be disappointed that the club he supports cannot support the England team more, a team he was stupidity denied the opportunity to win more caps for. For some reason, the response from a Gooner was to draw a comparison with a small expression and motto used in the Opening of Parliament. Is that really the best you can do to justify this .... when the England U21 team without some of their best players (Rooney, Walcott) get knocked out of the UEFA Euro Championship 12-11 on penalities to a Dutch side with full internationals, where France, Spain and Germany didn't even qualify, it PROVES that there is talented English players, not the desert you portray. Racking up thousands of air miles when there is obviously talent within a few miles is fairly dumb.
kernowboy
To use an analogy of Little Dutch's regarding women - why fly to Russia, the Philippines or Brazil to find a beautiful wife, when there are equally attractive girls living locally if you'd bother to look? - one can only summise that you are so damn ugly and boring that they don't want you and therefore they are only interested in what you can temporarily offer them before divorcing you and moving on to better things.
kernowboy
That bloody dog is off again. Why can't it just be content lick its own boll*cks like all the other mongrels? But then again being a spud it probably doesn't have any.
Amos.
How disappointing Amos - your total inability to construct a decent footballing argument has you squirming around to find any example to justify your position so having gone totally away from the argument you are now left to resort to personal abuse when this desperate ploy fails. Your parents must be proud.
kernowboy
Two of the players selected for that U-21 squad were our academy products (but one dropped out). Chelsea, Liverpool and United offered one player between them. With footballers as with women Harry, if they're the right one, they're the right one. End of.
Little Dutch
But you fail to mention that the one who dropped out was not ever given any sort of real opportunity and had to leave to demonstrate what an outstanding prospect he is. Ironically many felt he had a better season than the £9.5m continental 'star' you brought in, blocking his progress. Still having problems with the spelling I see - maybe you ought to take some adult education classes?
kernowboy
You are stupid Kernowboy - there is absolutely no getting away from it - mind numbingly stupid. You make the same noise with your single point about anti-englishness whatever the actual point of the thread almost every time you come here. It gets comprehensivley shredded by all and sundry until you whimper off back to your kennel. You haven't been able to follow any other point yet you accuse others of deviation and dyslexia. I invited you to take alook back through the posts made and try to figure out where you have gone wrong. It isn't difficult to see. It wouldn't challenge the average fourth form student. The inablility you accuse me of is really just you masking your own inability to hear anything other than your own noise. I don't suppose it is possible to stop you barking but your owners should really take more care of you. A little more attention is needed I suspect.
Amos.
Amos when somebody's only line is "you have something against British players" what can you say to them? How can you convince them that we are not in the game of ethnic cleansing but trying as best we can to create a winning squad? He is the one that prefers to avoid discussing it as the general problem that it is. Statements similar to "if you don't play Brits, you should be thrown out of the EPL" only show that he is more guilty than anyone of arrogance and discrimination.
Andy-bayor
Maybe that's the problem Harry, the one that dropped out, perhaps his attitude isn't 100% spot on. Anybody who thinks Bentley is a better player than Hleb is seriously deluding themselves, they're not even on the same planet. Bentley is like Laurent Robert, the odd outstanding performance in a sea of mediocrity. You also fail to note that Owusu Abeyie and Aliadiere have made way for Walcott, not because Walcott is English, but because he is a better player than both. It really is that simple.
Little Dutch
Yet you fail to mention I have called for a very low minimum number of players on previous posts. In a squad of 16, I said 25% (4 players) - hardly ethnic cleansing Andy-bayor. I never said teams should be thrown out of the Premiership, I said they should be barred from being invited to represent the English Premiership in the Champions League. Please get your facts straight.
kernowboy
Again Little Dutch, please explain who this 'Harry' is ... you really were freaked out by him, though it sounds like Garvalindo is a more likely candidate.
kernowboy
Bang on Andy. It is just noise - the limitations of a narrow, parochial mind. Just how many times do you make and answer the Bentley point for example? Why bother doing it again it has been blown away so many times already? But you can't stop a dog from barking with reason. He needs someone to tickle his tummy.
Amos.
Amos, Garvalindo made a point that Wrightly would be appalled at the lack of English players in your team a fair point considering his blantant patriotism. You responded with two false statements trying to prove your point. When I called you out on your ernoneous statement, you responded with personal abuse. Hardly the act of an intelligent person. Now go back, read through each post, and tell me where I have been criticial of Arsenal - I said Wright would be disappointed (a fair assessment), I have said England have got many talented youngsters (an accurate assessment) I have commented that Bentley did as well or better than Hleb last season, a comment agreed with by Alan Hansen. Point out on this article where I called for or was critical of Arsenal not fielding England players - IN THIS POST - when you fail to provide a convicing response, you trawl through every other article. You must have a lot of time on your hands.
kernowboy
Gelcinburger were pretty good yesterday werent they? Actually a lot better than i would have imagined...ave Song a torrid time. Maby we should use Djourou instead of Song?
Goofle
Its not just the fact that you want 4 Brits per squad, its that you want to ram it down our throats and wag your finger at us. I might favour more local representation, but artificial laws are unacceptable. BTW, since when did Alan Hansen's word become gospel? He's a pundit for crying out loud, not an oracle. Back-to-work time I think.
Andy-bayor
"When I called you out on your ernoneous statement, you responded with personal abuse. Hardly the act of an intelligent person." Your honour, I submit for your approval, "Little Gimp" (x4), "if you see any three year old blonde girls on holiday, try and leave them alone," "maybe you need some adult education classes", "your parents must be proud", "still see that basic literacy is failing you again," "tosser", "it's not surprising with your average intellect that these points are lost on you." Mate, you're really chasing your tail here aren't you? But that's cool, because I don't think I've ever had an encounter with a paranoid schizophrenic before. I suggest changing your user name and starting over again Harry.
Little Dutch
Well as soon as you try to stop abusing me calling me someone I'm not and call me by my name, then I will demonstrate a similar courtesy. Obviously someone who thinks Kernow is spelt H-A-R-R-Y has basic literacy challenges
kernowboy
As I said Kernowboy you are stupid. Read Galvadinhos post and you will see that he made no such point - no such point!. Go on take a look - read it for heavens sake - everyone else will! You made some silly spurious attempt to construct an argument that that was what he meant to say but just didn't manage to say it or anything remotely like it. I dealt with one of the silly statements he did make (it would be overdoing it to call it a point) which would be relevant to anyone who bothered, or was able to join them up. It will certainly be clear to anyone reading the clarification I gave subsequently despite your failed smokescreen. Since then you have been flailing around in an orgy of self justification attempting to find some purpose in an argument that has been shredded many times over. Personal abuse, lack of intelligence? - it's all just more noise from you.
Amos.
"Can you blame he for slagging you lot off? You have 2 English players that you never play, the team dressing room language is French - IN ENGLAND!" ..... this was the point Amos, and as Wright is an avowed England patriot anyone with an IQ of over 70 would realise that 2+2 = 4 .... you responed to Galvadinho's post with a load of non-footballing related nonsense
kernowboy
I mean Wright almost got banned from the Beeb for his comments on foreign players prior to the last World Cup
kernowboy
But hey Little Dutch, get one of the journalists to contact VitalSpurs where I am sure they can drag out the old records for this Harry person and my details, and confirm once and for all, that we are two different people. Unless of course you know this already and are now too embarassed having made a fool of yourself.
kernowboy
You still can't join it up then kernowboy? I responded to the horror that anyone can use french - IN ENGLAND!. Contrast my rather genteel rebuttal of this statement with your rambling pretentious posts afterwards with such football relevance as the german motto of the Prince of Wales, normans from scandinavia, the difference of 'olde' english and the use of 'norman' french and it should be clear even to you that the IQ deficiency is to be found amongst those desperate to pose as an intellectual but succeeding only in being seen for the pseudo sanctimonious poser that you are.
Amos.
An the comparison you use was a false one - a few words in a motto is hardly speaking fluently in the language or the langauge of the dressing room being French. Gavaldinho said speaking in French - you used the comparison of an event conducted in French (which its not .. maybe 0.001% is) - if you are going to slag off a Spurs supporter try to not to have to go back 100s of years to make a false statement to try to justify your retort. I have noted how much Gooners have to excessively exaggerate when making a point rather than let the facts speak for themselves.
kernowboy
You see what I mean about a dog that won't stop barking. Who said anything about fluent or extensive use of French? Simply that french is used currently in these events which is clear enough. You say it isn't and then you say it is. All you are trying to do is disprove a point by qualifying it. It doesn't work what I said is factually correct. You the offer criticism for going back 100s of years whereas I have only confined myself to current events. I didn't bother investigating the scandinavian origins of the normans. Do you really not see the hypocrisy in your argument? Can you really not see from your own posts just who is exaggerating excessively here? As I said its all just noise from you.
Amos.
This is becoming hilarious....kernowboy, you do have entertainment value, I'll give you that! Been off this thread for half a day and come back to find it's been hijacked (yet again!!!) and turned into (yet another!!) 'blame Arsenal for the state of the English game' argument. kernowboy - I STILL fail to understand how you cannot grasp that there is no connection between the nationality of our players and the state of the English game, despite several people trying to enlighten you.
BergkampsBoot
Harry, you know as well as I do that in your original ramblings at me under your (presumably) first pseudonym, you confirmed that you had given false details when you logged in for membership. What I also find strange is that a couple of months ago when I accused you of being this person, you professed to know who he was.
Little Dutch
Bergkampsboot, before you make stupid comments read the posts. I have put no blame onto Arsenal at all, there has been no blame about ruining the English game, it was offered as the opinion of Ian Wright by another fan - you really are very very dim if you cannot be bothered to read all of the article.
kernowboy
Funny thing is, if you do the stadium tour you'll find out that the dressing room language is nothing but English. That's the teamtalks, the captains speech, the whole lot. And of our two English players who never play, one of them was on the scoresheet last night. Seeing as he didn't play though, that takes some serious talent.
flv
Amos .. you really are dull. How long has the State Opening of Parliament existed in its current form? how long have the Monarchy used the same motto? You raised both of these in your response so introduced examples which have been in existence for hundreds of years. You also widely exaggerate the amount of the 'foreign' langauge spoken there. Are you really so dumb? Undoubtedly foregin languages are spoken a considerable amount of the time in the Arsenal dressing room yet you tried to make a direct comparison with a few words spoken at a different occasion and tried to demean the Spurs fan Gavaldinho with a spurious and false statement you then try to dress up as irony. Pathetic really.
kernowboy
Ignoring the personal insults and the fact that you continually turn the articles on VA into a nationality issue......So you agree that the nationality of our players has no relevance to the state of English football then, kernowboy..........
BergkampsBoot
I knew who he was Little Dutch because he was a prolific cotributor. If you read Vital Football you see his name at the bottom of each post. If you do a Google Search 'Sir Harry, VitalFootball' his name comes up an awful lot. When I said I knew who he was, its was in that way i.e I'd seen his name. I also know who Puregold is, and Merlin is, and K_chelski is but I have no idea who they are outside of this blog. You will also be aware that I contributed whilst Sir Harry was still a member. Again you are someone who presents your assumptions as facts because you know that if you look up the facts you'll be proven wrong.
kernowboy
BergkampsBoot, In this particular article it was not the question. The question was about Ian Wright being an Arsenal supporter and a Spurs fan said he'd be appalled at the lack of English players at Arsenal and I said that was likely due to Wright's patriotism and comments on foregin players. Since then every Gooner has tried like you to introduce comments made in other articles and then humourously tried to blame me for spoiling the content of the post. A certain Irony there.
kernowboy
So why the "this Sir Harry" pretense? The other day you said something along the lines of, "I don't know who this Sir Harry is, but if he thinks you're a moron...." Mate, give it up, your constant shift in rhetoric just demonstrates your bi polar tendencies.
Little Dutch
"you really are dull," "Are you really so dumb?", "you really are very very dim if you cannot be bothered to read all of the article." Of course, Harry never resorts to personal abuse. To borrow one of his phrases, "When I called you out on your ernoneous statement, you responded with personal abuse. Hardly the act of an intelligent person." Keep chasing your tail, there's a good boy.
Little Dutch
You are still barking kernowboy. The false bravado convinces no one - not even you i'd guess. So the state opening of parliament is not a current event because it has been going for hundreds of years? Where is the wild exaggeration of the amount french spoken other than in your own posts? Where did I say anything beyond simply that french was used? Exaggeration, obfuscation and deviation are your stock in trade. And it's all just noise.
Amos.
Kernowboy... you seriously are the most boring person I've ever had the displeasure to witness, though I must admit to being riveted by your continuous idiocy. Your use of wikipedia is superb and your attempts to pass it off as your knowledge absolutely hilarious "and if you'd actually studied languages Norman French is so different from French as to almost constitute a foreign language to the French"!!! Seriously?! Sorry if I'm not entirely convinced by your study of Norman French (before you start banging on about 'well any idiot with an IQ over 70 would understand that Norman French is to modern French what olde English is to modern English"... that's really not the point I'm making... I'll happily explain again if you really don't get it). From what I've read even vital spurs find you boring... you must have said the same thing about SWP a hundred times... I assume your one of those people that will just shout the same thing in over and over again and then feel he's won the argument through the virtue of the other person realising you're an utter tool and giving up. The final point I have to make in this mini rant is that you don't seem to be a very happy chappy, can I suggest that a little counselling may be in order to get over some deep seeded issues you seem to have (some would suggest a particularly small c*ck... I of course wouldn't be so vulgar) not that I care much for your mental health but for the sanity of the rest of the world that are unfortunate enough to come in contact with you it would be a great relief. Toodle pips sweetcheeks, oh and by the way you posts are very very similar in stupidity and vitriol to Harry so even if your not the man himself I think we could well adopt Harry as the name for anyone that comes here and makes an utter **** of themselves
kenny lunt
kernowboy - until you posted, this thread was generally debating the issue of IW and his sons move to sp*rs......since then, we've had references to paramilitaries, Henry V, agincort, Edward the Black Prince, John of Bohemia, English, French and German history, languages, British parliamentary procedure and a Middle Eastern business....are you aware of what irony actually means? :-)
BergkampsBoot
"I don't know who he PERSONALLY is .... like I don't know who you are - but when his name was first mentioned, I took the time to go back and look him up (it was a wet weekend) to see what you rabble were going on about .... the fact you have tried to portray me as him is extremely lame and easily proven wrong - after all, I ran the London Marathon and gave my personal details on here for the aid of sponsorship to which a couple of fans generously contributed, again the opposite you now claim of how this Sir Harry behaved ... - it is very scary you seem to keep a personal record of what everyone says. And if someone wishes to try to make a cheap point without really reading the article, how would you describe them? ... finally I hardly think calling someone dumb, dull and dim, is the same as suggesting someone has bi-polar tendancies. Bi-polar condition is a term used to describe someone who suffers mood swings and manic depression. This doesn't apply to me because when you go back through all your personal records on me you will find I only respond with personal abuse when I have been the recipient of personal abuse. You really are clutching at the thinest of straws Little Dutch.
kernowboy
...and I am genuinely interested in your answer to my question "..So you agree that the nationality of our players has no relevance to the state of English football then?"
BergkampsBoot
fill in the **** your self but I meant berkshire hunt
kenny lunt
Kenny Lunt, and you accuse me of being dull. I keep repeating my opinion of SWP on Vital Spurs because other fans keep on suggesting we buy him - the rest of your puerile little rant which doesn't actually say anything and is extremely difficult to follow, perfectly sums up that thoughts of a person with small penis issues if ever there was one.
kernowboy
I think SWP should go to Spurs. As long as he isnt at Man U, CSKA and Pool he will not aid a challenge to our season.
Goofle
Amos, I am just amused at people who try to think their clever using blantantly ludicrous analogies and then spend the rest of the time delivering personal abuse to squirm out of their original error
kernowboy
kernowboy, lets admit it. You come into our forum and people dont like it. Thats why i get abused in the Spud forum. Its the way of like. We dont like your sort so get over it. If you want friendly debate do it. Otherwise ***** off.
Goofle
Bergkampsboot, the point about Nationality was raised by another contributor. I made the point that it is remarkably stupid to try to trawl through non-football related historical events to try to prove a point. A gooner tried to suggest how if the British monarchy have a french motto on their crest ... so thats more use of French in England but it originates for a totally different reason. Amos would have been far more intelligent to have said "ALL FOOTBALL ISSUES ARE DEALT WITH IN ENGLISH, AND MOST FOREIGN PLAYERS SPEAK BETTER ENGLISH THAN THAN THE ENGLISH" ... but that was undoubtedly a far too clever a comment for him to have made.
kernowboy
I really don't think its that difficult to follow... try again later but for a quick synopsis: judging purely from you posts you seem to be a narcissistic semi-sociopathic plonker who tries to pass off copied material as part of you're bank of knowledge, who tries to bully/ bore people who disagree with you into submission, has serve anger issues and try as you will have extreme difficulty constructing and maintaining a consistent and intelligent argument. Helpful?
kenny lunt
oh and most foreign players speak better english THAN THAN the kernowboy!
kenny lunt
Goofle, my first two posts had no Arsenal criticsm implied so I am not sure why other teams fans should get abused. Only if they just drop in for some idiotic point scoring should they get some retort.
kernowboy
Go back to the Darren Bent thread on vital spuds, where I said Bent was over priced. You responded with a stream of insults against me, that entirely disproves your little "I only insult those who insult me" tirade. I don't keep a record of what people say, it's just unfortunate for you that I have a pretty decent memory, something that is usually symptomatic of a person with a sound mind.
Little Dutch
Yes, because your first post was a torrent of abuse about what you allegedly claime we paid for Bent, completely out of context with the article or what other posters have said = you got abuse for spoiling an article (one of which I was the author) - again you failed to mention the context in which you received the response and it could be argued you were responding to my article with abuse. You are not the only one with a sound memory, except I'm not someone who edits the FACTs to suit my argument.
kernowboy
My exact comment was, "you got mugged." You followed it up by calling me a moron, Little Gimp, narcissistic. Go on, look it up.
Little Dutch
blimey daniel levy must be laughing all the way to the bank with £6m for mido ! is steve bruce mad or wot ?
PUREGOLD
mad or madly genius, by buying Mido he ensures that the rest of his team are trim and in tip top condition as they have to fight for the little food that remains after the fat boy fills his boots... thereby adding £1m to the value of each of his first team squad = +£12million to the value of his assets. GENIUS i tells ya
kenny lunt
I know what you said .... It was a sound article spoiled by the moronic comment of a gooner. If you consider the current going rate for strikers v their actual statistical performance, it was a remark thats sole person was to goad a response. You got that response .... Gimp is slag for limp the perfect description for a number of your opinions, Moron was a comment to someone who made a general offensive statement without any supporting evidence, Narcissistic was an accurate description of someone so in love with themselves and convinced of their righteousness of their own opinion that they felt no need to introduce such small sundries as proof ...
kernowboy
£6m for Mido .... ha ha ha ... now Little Dutch, that's getting mugged
kernowboy
You got all that from, "you got mugged." Do you even have any self awareness at all? "was a sound article spoiled by the moronic comment." How can you actually have the temerity to say that on THIS thread? I think you got mugged for Darren Bent, if that offends you, I suggest you lighten up a bit. In one thread you've gone from amusing to just plain weird. Tottenham are welcome to you.
Little Dutch
sensitive little soul arn't you kernowboy, you hardly do yourself any favours by responding to a fairly innocent piece of banter by LD with a stream of abuse... and calling someone narcissistic when you seem like the sort of guy that has a quick tug whilst looking in the mirror also puts you on fairly thin ice dont you think. I'm sure I'm not alone in this opinion of you
kenny lunt
kernowboy - you are right that the nationality issue was raised by another contributor..your fellow sp*rs fan (surprise, surprise)Gavaldinho, I believe........ and your comment ".....I made the point that it is remarkably stupid to try to trawl through non-football related historical events to try to prove a point......." (?!!) 1) I don't think Amos had to 'trawl through' anything to post his (relevant) two sentence response to Gavaldinho...and 2) ARE YOU ACTUALLY AWARE OF THE CONTENT OF YOUR POSTS??!!
BergkampsBoot
My contributions were fine if you read them before certain Gooners tried to raise silly points
kernowboy
Maybe I should add Lazy to my description of you Little Dutch. So do you deny that your comments weren't designed to goad and get a response? How naive of you.
kernowboy
how about we all flood the spurs board under new logins calling for the immediate signing of SWP and Martin Petrov, we might just push this wierdo over the edge?!
kenny lunt
LD is spot on - this "I only insult those who insult me" is a joke from someone whose contribution on a previous thread included such ariculate responses as "you stupid purid pile of pondlife / you ****ing retard / you gimp loving retard / Pully hard on a blokes on ponytails is something you enjoy (?)"
BergkampsBoot
and...."Amos would have been far more intelligent to have said "ALL FOOTBALL ISSUES ARE DEALT WITH IN ENGLISH, AND MOST FOREIGN PLAYERS SPEAK BETTER ENGLISH THAN THAN THE ENGLISH" ... but that was undoubtedly a far too clever a comment for him to have made." - kernowboy. ..........Amos posts on here alot......I find him intelligent, articulate, OPEN-MINDED, clever and perfectly capable of debating more than one issue (unllike some)
BergkampsBoot
"My contributions were fine if you read them before certain Gooners tried to raise silly points." Again, on THIS thread? Really?
Little Dutch
No, I don't deny that at all, I have never denied that. But maybe I was expecting too much to think that what might come back might just have something to do with football. How can you say I'm lazy? You just admitted you don't know me personally. Keep em coming mate, arguing with people with precisely NO short term memory is really quite easy, I don't have to put much effort into it. In fact, arguing with you is quite a lazy activity.
Little Dutch
Just for you Little Dutch ..... "This is actually working on the assumption that Spurs want to waste such money on a never will be when we discovered a better player for a tenth of the price. Very amusing to see how much store you put in meaningless paper talk. In the same article they say that part of deal with comprise the B&Q Tap thief Johnson. Its just SWP and his old man trying to rescue what remains of career ruined by personal greed by linking him to any club with deep enough pockets to afford the extortionate amount Chavski think he's worth. Really all rather sad and desperate." followed by "Quite right Anon1, let his son fritter away what is left of a once promising career in the Chav's reserves"
kernowboy
You should be in Parliament with those debating skills. Imagine this guy in Parliament, I'd vote for him. Opposing politician; "the right honourable gentleman will remember pledging tax cuts for single mothers in May 2003, but he still hasn't delivered. How does the right honourable gentleman respond?" Harry, "you're opbviously a ****." Brilliant, I'd pay to see that.
Little Dutch
What point are you trying to raise? That that was the only post on this thread where you came close to convincing anybody you had a shred of sanity?
Little Dutch
good point kernowboy, I thought you would come back with an intelligent arguement and I wasn't disapointed!
kenny lunt
and you might even have got that little rhyming slang in my name... gold star for you, now back into the corner if you will
kenny lunt
Lets settle this with rock paper scissors and stop the typing violence! Rock! Do i win?
Goofle
you ******** goofle, I had paper, but Kernowboy wins cos he has a massive chip on his shoulder and access to wikipedia which if you didn't know beats rock, paper and scissors!
kenny lunt
And it was my first post Little Dutch before I had to respond to torrent of abuse - my first post directed at Amos wasn't really rude as I merely pointed out that only someone with an 'average' intellect would allow such mistakes in his response. I called him AVERAGE - insult of the decade. Oh and I made a response about you making statements with information taken totally out of context in your remarks about Spurs fans throwing chairs. Interestingly, I was in Madrid when you first made that comment and my Spanish colleagues mentioned how critical the Spanish press were of the police action that day.
kernowboy
But Spurs fans still threw chairs, it was there for all to see in glorious technicolour. I know the Spanish police can be heavy handed, I've been to Madrid, Valencia twice, Villarreal, Celta Vigo in support of Arsenal (yeah, that was a dig at Spuds, they never visit these places) and have found the police to be objectionable on all occasions, it was the same in Rome, Milan, Turin. But here is the key, the Arsenal fans didn't respond by throwing chairs, therefore no melee started.
Little Dutch
Were you in the Sevilla stadium, a notorious pit especially on the lower tier and in an atmosphere where there had been incidents in Rome the day before? Were you witnessing women, children and the disabled getting attacked? Did the British police say that your fans were innocent? Did your stewards also get attacked? When you are getting attacked you get anything to either a) protect yourself with b) slow down a group bent on attacking you .... it should not happen but its fairly despicable to describe it as thuggish hooliganism.
kernowboy
ummm... that's nice kernowboy.... so you freely admit that even though you were able to have reasonably sensible conversation, all be it for a very short time, when people agreed with you as soon as somebody disagreed with you it caused you to lose all self control and start a diatribe that has now lasted nigh on 100 posts. Yes LD was beign a little bit cheeky by making the chairs comment (you naughty little boy LD, lol!) but a more intelligent person would have come up with a more witty and humorous comment to embarass LD - and to be fair the post by LD was hardly one of his more striking moments of intellect so it should have been to hard for a mind such as yours... or does wiki not come up with witty responses. If it doesn't i'm sure that for some reason it was the foreigners fault
kenny lunt
*shouldn't*
kenny lunt
Whats 'wiki' - why would that new gamestation thing help? -again, please read through this article and explain once where I have blamed foreigners except for the Spanish police where my opinions were also held by the ... Spanish
kernowboy
Were you in the stadium? Obviously not, because you were in Madrid. Celta and Viallarreal are ahrdly state of the art, and I'm sorry, I refuse to believe the Spanish police looked at each other and said, "d'you know what Pedro? I could really do with attacking some disabled people now. Shall we get on it?" There always has to be a catalyst, the Spanish police over reacted, you don't handle situations like that in that way. The events on Rome the day before are unconnected, but I have been to Rome and been subjected to their appalling policing methods, but I didn't respond by lobbing a chair. I'll tell you one place where I have seen Arsenal fans, women, children, disabled and all attacked, on numerous occasions. In fact, it is a 100% cast iron guarantee I will see it every time I go there. That place is White Hart Lane.
Little Dutch
Spot on LD - have seen it myself countless times....
BergkampsBoot
the events of the day before obvious impacted on how any subsequent policing would occur that week ..... and here we go with this fantasy talk from you at WHL ... I have been there countless times and never seen or heard of it once .. except from Gooners of course .. maybe its myopic Wenger syndrome in reverse - in this case fantasing you see everything even when it never happened.
kernowboy
Ask ANY Arsenal fan who has attended a North London derby and I will absolutely gurantee you they will say the same thing. That little side street going onto seven sister's road where we come out of the south stand. BergkampsBoot has already backed up my claims.
Little Dutch
I meant an NLD at White Hart Lane. Funnily enough I never see it round our way.
Little Dutch
the key words here are 'ask any ARSENAL fan' - ask any neutral fan would provide more weight, but I guess you'll struggle to find any of those to support your allegations. As you come out of the South Stand onto Park Lane which leads to Tottenham High St or Willougby Lane and both have been packed with the Police or Stewards I am not entirely sure if you even know where these proported events occur. Maybe you just read it somewhere though as this never seems to make it to the press I doubt that as well.
kernowboy
I've lost count of the amount of times I've been in a crowd containing women and kids that's been charged at by moron sp*rs fans indiscriminately throwing punches (or anything else to hand), or suffered the vile nasty comments from sp*rs fans who haven't quite got the bottle to have a go at the group of Arsenal fans not far away (because they are GROWN BLOKES and they might actually hit back!?!) In fact, one of the lowest things I've seen was a nasty little thug in a sp*rs shirt punching a bloke carrying his small son on his shoulders (his lad was wearing an Arsenal shirt)...I was standing about two feet away - hardly fantasy kernowboy. Debate the issue, but DONT dare call us liars.....
BergkampsBoot
I have to concur with BergkampsBoot, seen it dozens of times. The police line protects us upon exit from the South Stand, but the morons just follow the line down onto the seven sister's road (we're not allowed to turn left out of the turnstiles), until the police line evaporates and make a go for it. Of course, that doesn't prevent them throwing bottles over the line of police and stewards. Even if you turn right out onto the seven sister's raod and make a break in the direction of the Paxton Road past the garage, you are met with thugs lurking around the corners. People standing outside the off license opposite Norhtumberland Park tube station with the choice "oi, gooner" shout and clobbering anyone who turns around. Anyone who uses the national press as a bastion of truth is really more deluded than is conceivable. The press can't magically unconvince me that I saw a teenage girl hit with a bottle in 2001 (or Sol Campbell hit with a bottle for that matter).
Little Dutch
Oh, I am calling you liars. I have been to about half a dozen North London derbys, used Northumberland Park, and White Hart Lane rail stations, as well as Seven Sisters tube and never seen any such incidents - its amazing how none of this never gets reported. However what does get reported are fans getting kicked senseless by hooligans at Arsenal tube which you casually turn a blind eye to. I'm very sorry though BergkampBoot that you were upset by name calling.
kernowboy
I have acess to Wiki...so can you. Kronke 4 eva!
Goofle
Whether you believe me or not Harry is about as relevant to me as Tottenham's transfer activity. I'm telling you what I have seen, watched, experienced. I would say I have been to more than half a dozen NLD's at WHL and seen this every time. But if you take the press to be your bible and your beacon of truth, then I suspect engaging in any kind of reasoned debate is impossible. You questioned my geography, and when I showed that one up you just reverted to type and said liars, with little other recourse.I don't doubt for a minute that there are such incidents involving Arsenal 'fans', but certainly not on the despicable level that occurs at WHL. I don't deny that I remember someone writing into the Arsenal programme in 99 complaining about anti semitic songs being sung on the tube. But the difference is these are isolated incidents. At WHL, every Arsenal fan knows exactly when and where the trouble is coming from every time we go. That's hardly coincidence. The biggest problem facing our society right now is apathy, the price good men pay for indifference is to be ruled by evil. Your indifference to any sort of basic morality based on club/ nationalistic loyalty make you just as bad as the thugs in my book.
Little Dutch
Not upset kernowboy, just VERY irritated at your level of debate.....I agree with LD (nice response to the geography dig, I thought, LD) if someone had told me that a (so-called) Arsenal fan had beaten up a bloke with a kid, or smashed a teenage girl with a bottle I would have been thoroughly ashamed and said that they were not fit to wear an Arsenal shirt. Seems kernowboy doesn't share our sense of morality.......
BergkampsBoot
....goofle - have you been drinking? :-)
BergkampsBoot
And we resort back to the pathetic 'Harry' name calling. Bergkampsboot asked if I was calling you liars; I said yes. I seem to recall your constant 'bleating' about this after every North London derby, I'm surprised you don't suggest some attack on a Gooner in South London isn't done by Spurs fans following you. It should be noted that numerous Spurs fans come out of the ground at the same stage, and I and none of my colleagues have never seen such incidences. If I had I'd immediately 999 .... and how come in this age of cameras on mobile phones, there is still no evidence. Allegations without evidence are simply allegations. However I'd be concerned about hanging around you as you seem to have been the victim of every incidence of alleged hooliganism since the NLD began, attracting violence like s*** attracts flies.
kernowboy
No Bergkampsboot, I'd have though you might have considered that old maxim 'Innocent until proven guilty' and not relied on some hearsay offered by those from a biased position before swallowing every word hook line and sinker. What I do find interesting is that someone who has been involved in so many alleged incidents isn't very familiar with local geography as a means to avoid trouble. When I go to away games I always make sure I know what streets I am looking for just so people can't spot the obviously lost opposition fan.
kernowboy
Offer some impartial PROOF and your claims carry weight
kernowboy
Harry, firstly, once again you have shown yourself up. Since my last encounter with you, I have deliberately not once mentioned where I come from, yet you can now recall which area of London I am from (seems you're good on your geography too). Secondly, the reason I, or many other gooners wouldn't dare try to film this scenario is because it would immediately bring attention to us and gurantee that we were victims of violence. Personally, I've been hit once and spat at twice at WHL. The violence is indiscriminate, so I've been lucky to come out relatively unscathed on most occasions. But I can honestly say I have never once been to WHL and not seen at least three people become the victims of violence, not including the scattergun throwing of bottles and coins in our direction. Whether you believe me or not is irrelevant, I know what I have seen and felt, and there isn't a single word you can say to dissuade me from this. So blow all the hot air you want, because I know exactly what I have seen, and I suspect if you every single other person on this forum who has journeyed to WHL, they would absolutely back up everything I have said.
Little Dutch
Hey, where did I mention where you come from?
kernowboy
Like I said Harry, I always turn right up towards the Paxton Road, but in reality, there is no safe haven until you are at least several tube stops away from the ground. Funnily, other than WHL I've only ever seen violence at one other Arsenal game in my life, and that was fgollowing the fiery 0-0 draw at Old Trafford, where both parties were to blame (on and off the pitch). That includes Rome and several Spanish grounds already mentioned. Is that not just a tremendous coincidence that it is ALWAYS WHL?
Little Dutch
"I'd have though you might have considered that old maxim 'Innocent until proven guilty' and not relied on some hearsay offered by those from a biased position before swallowing every word hook line and sinker".................God, you can be a patronising, condescending and VERY irritating person, kernowboy - I know what I saw with my own eyes, as does LD - a first-hand witness account is NOT hearsay.
BergkampsBoot
"I'm surprised you don't suggest some attack on a Gooner in South London isn't done by Spurs fans following you." Be more careful about where you leave your breadcrumbs Hansel.
Little Dutch
I mentioned South London, as its a long distance from North London and was taking the p*** as to how far an alleged fan would follow you. I see lots of kids in South London wearing Gooner shirts or they did when I lived there - why hasn't an attack on these kids been blamed on Spurs fans... what a paranoid clown you are. I have no idea where you live and no interest in doing so. Personally you're lavatory attendant duties are important all over the capital. As it is also comparatively easy to record with either the video or still function photo facility on a mobile (obviously turning off the camera noise) you excuses as why one in 15,000 fans over the last 5 years is remarkable.
kernowboy
Very good at avoiding points you can't answer, kernowboy. An articulate post from LD about his experience of violence at WHL, and you jump on the one thing you think you can score a point with.........I don't think he took in your very good point about recording these incidents on our phones LD....
BergkampsBoot
Arsenal fans claiming to see incidents not supported by fans of the other side or independent groups. Its not patronising or condescending ... its insulting that you should endeavour to smear a group of people without offering any unarguable evidence. The authorities would throw your case out before it even got to court as the claims are tainted and biased. Not my opinion but that of the law I'd imagine.
kernowboy
....besides which, we hardly go about with our phones 'at the ready' - these incidents often happen very quickly.......I can just see it now..."excuse me mate, but would you mind chucking that bottle at that girl again, I didn't quite catch it the first time...."
BergkampsBoot
Bergkampsboot, I work for a mobile phone manufacturer. It is easy peasy to record events without the target being aware of it, so much so that we are now having to take action because of legal problems and concerns this is causing. Now, again how has not one in 15,000 been able to do this. An articulate squealing whinging post by LD, presenting opinion and hearsay and confusing it as evidence and fact
kernowboy
Not trying to smear a whole group of people kb, just the mindless morons that carry this out and the idiots that defend them.....I'm sure there are many sp*rs fans out there who would be disgusted at some of the things we've witnessed
BergkampsBoot
I'm not defending them. Provide some proof and I'd personally shop them to the authorities. Except these events miraculously occur on streets without CCTV, on tubes not fitted with CCTV, in the presense of opposition fans only who are not quick enough to record it.
kernowboy
Sorry mate, so you've never hear similar sentiments? In all these years? Completely deluded. By the way, this yrs visit to WHL i witnessed a police horse being bottled and a mob surrounding 2 arsenal fans who had the inexperience/stupidity/temerity to wear their own team's colours.
AFC85Lew
I REPEAT: ....besides which, we hardly go about with our phones 'at the ready' - these incidents often happen very quickly.......I can just see it now..."excuse me mate, but would you mind chucking that bottle at that girl again, I didn't quite catch it the first time...."
BergkampsBoot
AFC85Lew, you're right - he is deluded. kb - you are really are tiring! You can mention the word 'hearsay' a thousand times - LD and I both know what we've witnessed and experienced and frankly, I don't give a s**t whether you believe it or not.
BergkampsBoot
Are you an Arsenal fan? Find me a non-Arsenal fan or some proof and again the claims are then substantiated
kernowboy
Okay mate, i know a few boys that follow chelsea (okay, not the same histoy rep as arsenal etc) but they have very similar experiences. Mate if you can't see past the end of your own cock(on a ball) then why continue this debate.
AFC85Lew
I actually believe that having a few Arsenal fans trying to find a new area in which they can try to bad mouth Spurs as hardly something that should be taken seriously. Chelsea fans lecturing other supporters on behaviour is something I'd like to see though. Oh, and I'm not your mate.
kernowboy
Are you an Arsenal fan?............Is that directed to me or AFC85Lew?......I think the clue is in our usernames, kb.. :_)
BergkampsBoot
I already said kb, I'm not interested in whether you believe me or not, I know what I have seen and experienced, so do others on this forum, whether you choose to believe it is irrelevant to me because it cannot change my personal experience, and an ecperience mysefl and others endure every year. My point about mobile phones is that the second I held one up to record anything, I would immediately be marke dout and kicked senseless. As for not supported by any independent groups? Ring up the Arsenal Supporters' Services, the number is 020 7704 4160. Ask them why they don't run Junior Gunner trips to WHL. Ask them their advice on any Arsenal fan wishing to wear colours at WHL in September. In fact, I have the e mail address for AISA if you want it, I'll stick it in your inbox, e mail them on their thooughts about attending WHL. I'm sure you'll find that nobody here has even slightly hyperbolised.
Little Dutch
To attend an away fixture at WHL, anyone wishing to obtain a ticket in the Arsenal end at WHL needs to have travelled to at least 15 other away games in that season. I think you'll struggle to find a neutral who has those credentials.
Little Dutch
http://www.arsenal-world.co.uk/news/loadroll.asp?cid=ED13&id=188960 Check that link, I know you won't, so here's the bit to focus on, "I suppose they were calling me to share in my happiness. They must have been surprised to find that I wasn't exactly beside myself with joy, but how does one explain that I forked up forty quid for an outing which was as enjoyable as a date with the dentist where I'd come away feeling fortunate to have escaped any fillings. Mind you I usually have to be in absolute agony before I'll let anyone drag me, kicking and screaming to the dentist. Following similar trouble almost every season outside after the game, the aggravation some encountered trying to escape Tottenham territory last term proved to be the back breaking straw which has seen them swear off visiting Spurs for good. I guess we've been fairly lucky to date, keeping our heads down and our smiles even deeper, only having to dodge harmless insults as we've scuttled to the safety of our car. If I'd have been caught up in the hail of bricks and bottles which forced my neighbour at Highbury to seek refuge in a school hall as the old bill escorted them to 'safety' when they left the Lane last season, perhaps I might also have felt that I just don't need this any more?"
Little Dutch
So you want me to get 'independent' information from Arsenal Supporter Services ... ok... I see we have problems with understanding 'independent' - that advice is given out to all fans of any team going to away matches that is not part of an organised visit. And you don't need to hold up a phone to record these days .. invest in some new technology.
kernowboy
kb - are you actually reading what you post? ...you said "Find me a non-Arsenal fan....the claims are then substantiated", so AFC85Lew mentions some Chelsea supporting friends of his who've had similar experiences, to which your hypocritical (but hilarious) response is "..Chelsea fans lecturing other supporters on behaviour.." ....so you didn't actually mean it when you asked for non-Arsenal fans views then?
BergkampsBoot
Bergkampboot - third party = hearsay. Little Dutch .. can you find one nonArsenal or Arsenal affiliated source?
kernowboy
You also have to wonder why the police were adamant that Spurs should not be allowed 9,000 tickets at the Grove when our kids gave your fatties a pounding.
Little Dutch
The supporters' services is the official Arsenal travel club who arrange provisions for official supporters. They make policing arrangements etc and are the official chaperones of the club. For them to be biased in any way when imparting information, would lose them their job as they are in charge of the safety of the Arsenal supporters. You are basically as good as asking the police themselves.
Little Dutch
I think we should hang 'em coloureds and latinos too...
k_chelski
It's Friday afternoon, i really wish i wasn't so busy that i could post a bit more on here. This argument is completely fruitless, and i need to get out of here by 6 so i can commense my holiday. Have a good Xmas Kernowboy. And stop effin promoting mobile phones, next you'll be tellin us what make/model
AFC85Lew
Well kb, try Football Intelligence, they are available on 020 7238 8000. Tell them you are an Arsenal fan travelling to WHL in September and are planning to take your young son in colours, see what they say. The football supporters' federation is available on 01634 319 461, repeat the same story to them. If you can wait until tomorrow when I get home, I can give you full details of the police authority who deal with North London derby matches at WHL and you can ask them advice on how an Arsenal fan can best stay safe at WHL.
Little Dutch
How dare you asy that Bergie's boot! I am sober. I am just excitable and all that...
Goofle
Without stating the obvious can you please R7 close KB down I for one don't want to listen to anymore crap from him I want to talk about our team not the scum from Whl. I don't care if they throw chairs at each other, I don't care about their team and I care even less about ex Gunners who want to support their rag bag bunch of crap. It maybe good for the number of strikes on this site but it is BORING BORING
alwaysgunner
You sure have a point alwaysgunner! In the space of a working day, the thread 'blossomed' to over 200 posts! It's no surprise that kernowboy has been creating a bit of a stir, but for a right royal Arsenal-hater he does seem to like it here. You are right though, it gets BORING BORING. Can't wait for the 'effin season to start... this has been a quite sickening off-season... I hope our team comes together, and we can go kick some butt.... Come on you Gunners!!
Andy-bayor
Meeh, my provocations went beyond 200 posts, and I never got banned :p.
k_chelski
ban him!! :D
Goofle
I agree with goofle, ban that bloody Kevin - the Ruskie-loving sod!
Andy-bayor
Arrogant, BMW boasting, mobile phone company careerist slime, Michael Winnerish toilet attendant sneering, xenophobic spud u hate, cowardly cyber stalker, wow are there any redeeming features regarding Harry? Bet the cvnts' a tory too.
nikolaijns
breeth in Niko LOL! BTW whats the name about?
Goofle
Ban me? pff... you don't have the cojones...
k_chelski
I would have banned you 2 years ago mate!!! I support Chelsea NOW because we have money!!!
Goofle
 

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