Ian Wright & Spurs

******** spurs scum mother *****er traitor son of a bitch whore Jol *****er ****. ***** YOU WRIGHT.

He is a Legend!

Henry14, you are the small minded diot Wrighty speaks. Did you even read the article?

Lmao @ Emkay. I'm sure that isn't true!!

I agree with gooner303 there. You know that SWP would jump at the chance to come to us and personally I'd love to see him. I think he'd be a "loyal player", which is a term that keeps cropping up recently. Wrighty has always had a big mouth and it seems to me that his mouth does get bigger the more people he knows is listening to it. But ultimately his supporting son would always come first and rightly so. Doesn't mean that he'll stop being a Gooner legend!!!

AG - Where does he say he doesn't want Arsenal to win?

R7, firstly I didn't say he doesn't want Arsenal to win, but if you want to start playing those games he did say he supports all London clubs so therefore you can safely assume from that statement that he doesn't favour one london team over another!! Therefore if Spuds played Arsenal he would be neutral, but if his son was at spuds & playing then surely he would favour them??

I doubt Arsenal are interested in spoilt goods. Hes a good player but nothing special. If he doesnt end up playing for Arsenal its purely because Arsenal havent bid. I love it when players / agents (Zakora, Bale, Martins, etc) make out that they have rejected Arsenal, when the truth is that Arsenal didnt want them and didnt bid for them.

That is a little discourteous of him AG but as he knows we don't want him at all he would have to say that and as a pre-cursor to joining the spuds it's probably a neccessity. The poor fellow is going to get it in the neck from those spuds that will forever see him only as Wrightys son and on top of that he has to endure the ignominy and shame of playing at WHL in a spud shirt. Show a little compassion!

Fair points Rocky. I can't understand why people react to who he supports? He's just an annoying 'pundit' now, as he said himself, so who gives a damn about who he supports. What's the point?

R7, I don't intend to get in a slanging match with you. If you choose not to tell the whole story then thats your business, after all its best only to put the points in that sound good for your own argument. However Ian Wright made a clear point that SWP didn't want to play for arsenal which if you heard the interview was meant as a dig at the club. If you want to defend that sort of person then fair play!! As for me 'shooting my mouth', well its just my opinion so why is yours anymore valid than mine??

AG - The fact that SWP doesn't want to play for Arsenal is his problem, not his dad's, it's got NOTHING to do with this, nothing at all. Whatever reasons people give for not liking Ian Wright does not concern me......this however should not be one of them. The shooting your mouth off comment was aimed at your snipe at my "editing". SWP's choice of club is not relevant to my defence of Ian Wright's decision to support his sons career even if he's playing at WHL.

Don't think we should get too harsh or bitter (surely we're better than that).....we don't want to start sounding like sp*rs fans :-)

Well said Bergkamp'sBoot. I'll state this again in simple terms. Ian wright should not suffer flack from Arsenal fans for being a dad. It's that simple.

Putting myself in his shoes here, of course I'd support my family first i.e. a son in this case, whereever he plays. Playing for the sp*rs would be a blow to me as an Arsenal legend, however I'd like him to excell and succeed individually and perhaps break into the national team. On the other hand, never ever would I, as Arsenal through and through, lend the tiniest of farts as support to the garbage from the lane.

R7, my comment about the editing was not a dig of any kind. I didn't know if you had even seen the interview so I couldn't possible know if you edited it. You may have just seen a snippet on a website & reproduced it. The fact IW made a point of stating SWP doesn't want to play for Arsenal does have something to do with this discussion. He took the time to say it because it was meant as yet another pop at Arsenal fc (which seems to be his hobby these days), in my book thats a good reason to dislike him. I understand your point but as you put in about the fact IW doesn't know where SWP would be playing next season (surely just as irrelevant) then its better to give people the whole article & let them make their own minds up!!

I agree Rocky, as Arsenal fans we should be higher than that and appreciate that he is doing the honourable thing by his son by putting himself in the firing line making those comments.

Rocky 7 I feel guilty now - I was just joking!

I don't understand why people get upset about what ex Arsenal players say, it carries no weight and has no relevance. Merson, Wright, Dixon, Smith are all pundits now and are paid to give their opinion. So if Merse thinks we'll struggle next season, he is dutibound to say so without bias. A little like Vieira's recent comments, personally it means the square root of ***** all to me because he is not on our payroll, he doesn't represent us. What should stay in your memory about people like Wright is how they played when they WERE wearing the shirt, the aforementioned ex Arsenal pundits above all played with passion and distinction, anything they say when they are not representing Arsenal is the opinion of just another pundit to me.

Nicely put LD, and how ya doing? not spoken to you for donkey's years!!!

To many of those dodgy cocktails I take it. Nice to see you back. Anyway back on topic.

This is actually working on the assumption that Spurs want to waste such money on a never will be when we discovered a better player for a tenth of the price. Very amusing to see how much store you put in meaningless paper talk. In the same article they say that part of deal with comprise the B&Q Tap thief Johnson. Its just SWP and his old man trying to rescue what remains of career ruined by personal greed by linking him to any club with deep enough pockets to afford the extortionate amount Chavski think he's worth. Really all rather sad and desperate.

Quite right Anon1, let his son fritter away what is left of a once promising career in the Chav's reserves

If my son were to transfer from average man city, to chelsea and sit on the bench for 3 years and then transfer to spurs because they were the only club that wanted - and could afford - him i would support it, such as in Ian Wrights/SWP's case. BUT, if he were to be available to, or trial with, a whole bunch of spurs style mediocre PL clubs, eg. Blackburn, Villa, Bolton, Everto, and he chose to sign for spurs i would be incredibly insulted. But isnt Wrighty the one who told him to go to Chelski not Arsenal? I'm not sure about that because i'm from Oz and hadnt heard of newsnow then but thats how some people have made it sound. If that is the case then he can go ***** himself

I agree with LD and BB. Wright's successful Arsenal career should not preclude his son from doing what is best for HIS career, which might be a move to Spurs. Though I DO remember some of us mentioning that Wright played a part in influencing his move to Chelski in the 1st place, when it would have been better to move to Arsenal. Now that Arsenal is not interested, I dont see a problem. It will not diminish the respect for Wright in my eyes for what HE did as a player. I dont agree with most of what he says anyway, as a 'pundit' (that term is being used to loosely for my liking days these days, but oh well).

I don't think he comments more on Arsenal on purpose. He probably gets asked about Arsenal a lot more, plus anything he says about us will be sensationalised by the media. I doubt there would be much fuss if he said he thought Man City were going to get relegated next year. Whether or not you like a pundit is an open choice, I think most of them are tossers, but that's the beauty of football, it's opinionated and draws passion. But frankly, Ian's intentions for his son aren't really any of our business.

Ian Wright used to claim he was an Arsenal fan, clearly that was a lie. He was my favourite player & to me Henry really didn't ever come close to him, because Henry had the luxury of playing with world class players from the start. Ian Wright didn't & had to carry the team basically on his own at times. However its the lies he has told & the now constant sniping at the club which has made me lose all respect for the guy. I'm sorry but a fan wouldn't carry on the way he has & personally I couldn't give a s*** about his pathetic son. He is 25 & his career is over before it even begun, maybe IW should have a look in the mirror & see exactly how he f***** up his sons life before mouthing off about arsenal. I just ask why ex players of other clubs do defend those teams whereas our ex players seem to delight in every doom story about the club, surely a little loyalty is not too much to ask!!

Sick of all this crap Robben to real oh dear Chelski. LD why are you not in Austria. Would love to hear your opinion on how the players perform. Lol Trevez can not go to MUSA. Glad we did not have the problem. Couch unhappy at the pool oh boy, and np betting spurs to win the epl 150 to 1 boy those odds are far to high Arsenal at 10 to 1.

Ian Wright was absolutely spot on with his comments!

No, not really....but you just reminded us all that you are an Ass-hat! Thanks

Whereas spurs fans are just used to throwing chairs at anyone who disagrees with them, much more exciting.

ohh no, here we go again.

Sorry Prits, I thought you preferred factual accuracy above ill conceived prejudice and false statement?

Which appear to be no different in lack of accuracy than Little Dutch's.

So if SWP moves to us (Spurs)....who will his old man be supporting during the North London Derby?

well said mate. as a father yourself you can appreciate what he's saying, but the younger fans who dont know any better wont agree with you.

Thank you Galvadinho. Where would debate be without the shining light of intellect bestowed upon us by the average spud? By the way the State opening of Parliament is conducted in French - IN ENGLAND! Oh and the motto of the British Monarchy is also in French - IN ENGLAND!

Ha ha! Great Little D. So much said in so few words.

Not lost kernowboy - just totally irrelevant like most of your posts. Well done for your use of Wikipedia though and for taking the trouble to confirm and reinforce the point I had already made with greater brevity. It was kind of you but really not needed.

Now you haven't taken the trouble to read the posts have you kernowboy? If you are going to pretend to be an intellectual you really need to take a little more care. I mentioned nothing about Wrightys support of England and neither did your mate. You partner Galvadinho attempted to make some point about one of the languages used in our dressing room expressing horror that someone could speak french - IN ENGLAND. I simply pointed out the paradox in his position given the role the language does play in Britain a point which you clearly confirmed despite a pathetically irrelevant attempt to qualify part of it as not 'current' french. So there's the relevance. On the otherhand your pious, pretentious post can be clearly seen for the pseudo posturing that it is.

And you have the nerve to talk about relevance with a post like that? And frantically trying to find a way to claim that your mate said what he clearly didn't!!! In some other exchange I likened you to a dog that constantly barks for no other reason than it likes the noise it makes. Find a reflective moment and read carefully through the part of the thread that you have concerned yourself with. You may even, given time, see how uncannily accurate that description is.

Give it a rest Harry, it's like bloody deja vu. Whoops, was that too French for you there Joan of Arc?

Good goal by Walcott tonight chaps eh!

so at what point did nationality become an issue in this article comment thread? what on earth does this have to do with the original discussion? nowt... just some sorry spud with a 'foreign' name (surely there must be a spud or two who will take issue with that flagrant display of non-britishness...) who's trying to make a big noise while saying ****-bloody-all of merit. »»Arsene Knows««

all foreign players and fans should be hanged...

To use an analogy of Little Dutch's regarding women - why fly to Russia, the Philippines or Brazil to find a beautiful wife, when there are equally attractive girls living locally if you'd bother to look? - one can only summise that you are so damn ugly and boring that they don't want you and therefore they are only interested in what you can temporarily offer them before divorcing you and moving on to better things.

How disappointing Amos - your total inability to construct a decent footballing argument has you squirming around to find any example to justify your position so having gone totally away from the argument you are now left to resort to personal abuse when this desperate ploy fails. Your parents must be proud.

But you fail to mention that the one who dropped out was not ever given any sort of real opportunity and had to leave to demonstrate what an outstanding prospect he is. Ironically many felt he had a better season than the £9.5m continental 'star' you brought in, blocking his progress. Still having problems with the spelling I see - maybe you ought to take some adult education classes?

Amos when somebody's only line is "you have something against British players" what can you say to them? How can you convince them that we are not in the game of ethnic cleansing but trying as best we can to create a winning squad? He is the one that prefers to avoid discussing it as the general problem that it is. Statements similar to "if you don't play Brits, you should be thrown out of the EPL" only show that he is more guilty than anyone of arrogance and discrimination.

Yet you fail to mention I have called for a very low minimum number of players on previous posts. In a squad of 16, I said 25% (4 players) - hardly ethnic cleansing Andy-bayor. I never said teams should be thrown out of the Premiership, I said they should be barred from being invited to represent the English Premiership in the Champions League. Please get your facts straight.

Bang on Andy. It is just noise - the limitations of a narrow, parochial mind. Just how many times do you make and answer the Bentley point for example? Why bother doing it again it has been blown away so many times already? But you can't stop a dog from barking with reason. He needs someone to tickle his tummy.

Gelcinburger were pretty good yesterday werent they? Actually a lot better than i would have imagined...ave Song a torrid time. Maby we should use Djourou instead of Song?

"When I called you out on your ernoneous statement, you responded with personal abuse. Hardly the act of an intelligent person." Your honour, I submit for your approval, "Little Gimp" (x4), "if you see any three year old blonde girls on holiday, try and leave them alone," "maybe you need some adult education classes", "your parents must be proud", "still see that basic literacy is failing you again," "tosser", "it's not surprising with your average intellect that these points are lost on you." Mate, you're really chasing your tail here aren't you? But that's cool, because I don't think I've ever had an encounter with a paranoid schizophrenic before. I suggest changing your user name and starting over again Harry.

As I said Kernowboy you are stupid. Read Galvadinhos post and you will see that he made no such point - no such point!. Go on take a look - read it for heavens sake - everyone else will! You made some silly spurious attempt to construct an argument that that was what he meant to say but just didn't manage to say it or anything remotely like it. I dealt with one of the silly statements he did make (it would be overdoing it to call it a point) which would be relevant to anyone who bothered, or was able to join them up. It will certainly be clear to anyone reading the clarification I gave subsequently despite your failed smokescreen. Since then you have been flailing around in an orgy of self justification attempting to find some purpose in an argument that has been shredded many times over. Personal abuse, lack of intelligence? - it's all just more noise from you.

I mean Wright almost got banned from the Beeb for his comments on foreign players prior to the last World Cup

You still can't join it up then kernowboy? I responded to the horror that anyone can use french - IN ENGLAND!. Contrast my rather genteel rebuttal of this statement with your rambling pretentious posts afterwards with such football relevance as the german motto of the Prince of Wales, normans from scandinavia, the difference of 'olde' english and the use of 'norman' french and it should be clear even to you that the IQ deficiency is to be found amongst those desperate to pose as an intellectual but succeeding only in being seen for the pseudo sanctimonious poser that you are.

You see what I mean about a dog that won't stop barking. Who said anything about fluent or extensive use of French? Simply that french is used currently in these events which is clear enough. You say it isn't and then you say it is. All you are trying to do is disprove a point by qualifying it. It doesn't work what I said is factually correct. You the offer criticism for going back 100s of years whereas I have only confined myself to current events. I didn't bother investigating the scandinavian origins of the normans. Do you really not see the hypocrisy in your argument? Can you really not see from your own posts just who is exaggerating excessively here? As I said its all just noise from you.

Harry, you know as well as I do that in your original ramblings at me under your (presumably) first pseudonym, you confirmed that you had given false details when you logged in for membership. What I also find strange is that a couple of months ago when I accused you of being this person, you professed to know who he was.

Funny thing is, if you do the stadium tour you'll find out that the dressing room language is nothing but English. That's the teamtalks, the captains speech, the whole lot. And of our two English players who never play, one of them was on the scoresheet last night. Seeing as he didn't play though, that takes some serious talent.

Ignoring the personal insults and the fact that you continually turn the articles on VA into a nationality issue......So you agree that the nationality of our players has no relevance to the state of English football then, kernowboy..........

BergkampsBoot, In this particular article it was not the question. The question was about Ian Wright being an Arsenal supporter and a Spurs fan said he'd be appalled at the lack of English players at Arsenal and I said that was likely due to Wright's patriotism and comments on foregin players. Since then every Gooner has tried like you to introduce comments made in other articles and then humourously tried to blame me for spoiling the content of the post. A certain Irony there.

"you really are dull," "Are you really so dumb?", "you really are very very dim if you cannot be bothered to read all of the article." Of course, Harry never resorts to personal abuse. To borrow one of his phrases, "When I called you out on your ernoneous statement, you responded with personal abuse. Hardly the act of an intelligent person." Keep chasing your tail, there's a good boy.

Kernowboy... you seriously are the most boring person I've ever had the displeasure to witness, though I must admit to being riveted by your continuous idiocy. Your use of wikipedia is superb and your attempts to pass it off as your knowledge absolutely hilarious "and if you'd actually studied languages Norman French is so different from French as to almost constitute a foreign language to the French"!!! Seriously?! Sorry if I'm not entirely convinced by your study of Norman French (before you start banging on about 'well any idiot with an IQ over 70 would understand that Norman French is to modern French what olde English is to modern English"... that's really not the point I'm making... I'll happily explain again if you really don't get it). From what I've read even vital spurs find you boring... you must have said the same thing about SWP a hundred times... I assume your one of those people that will just shout the same thing in over and over again and then feel he's won the argument through the virtue of the other person realising you're an utter tool and giving up. The final point I have to make in this mini rant is that you don't seem to be a very happy chappy, can I suggest that a little counselling may be in order to get over some deep seeded issues you seem to have (some would suggest a particularly small c*ck... I of course wouldn't be so vulgar) not that I care much for your mental health but for the sanity of the rest of the world that are unfortunate enough to come in contact with you it would be a great relief. Toodle pips sweetcheeks, oh and by the way you posts are very very similar in stupidity and vitriol to Harry so even if your not the man himself I think we could well adopt Harry as the name for anyone that comes here and makes an utter **** of themselves

...and I am genuinely interested in your answer to my question "..So you agree that the nationality of our players has no relevance to the state of English football then?"

fill in the **** your self but I meant berkshire hunt

I think SWP should go to Spurs. As long as he isnt at Man U, CSKA and Pool he will not aid a challenge to our season.

kernowboy, lets admit it. You come into our forum and people dont like it. Thats why i get abused in the Spud forum. Its the way of like. We dont like your sort so get over it. If you want friendly debate do it. Otherwise ***** off.

I really don't think its that difficult to follow... try again later but for a quick synopsis: judging purely from you posts you seem to be a narcissistic semi-sociopathic plonker who tries to pass off copied material as part of you're bank of knowledge, who tries to bully/ bore people who disagree with you into submission, has serve anger issues and try as you will have extreme difficulty constructing and maintaining a consistent and intelligent argument. Helpful?

Goofle, my first two posts had no Arsenal criticsm implied so I am not sure why other teams fans should get abused. Only if they just drop in for some idiotic point scoring should they get some retort.

Yes, because your first post was a torrent of abuse about what you allegedly claime we paid for Bent, completely out of context with the article or what other posters have said = you got abuse for spoiling an article (one of which I was the author) - again you failed to mention the context in which you received the response and it could be argued you were responding to my article with abuse. You are not the only one with a sound memory, except I'm not someone who edits the FACTs to suit my argument.

blimey daniel levy must be laughing all the way to the bank with £6m for mido ! is steve bruce mad or wot ?

I know what you said .... It was a sound article spoiled by the moronic comment of a gooner. If you consider the current going rate for strikers v their actual statistical performance, it was a remark thats sole person was to goad a response. You got that response .... Gimp is slag for limp the perfect description for a number of your opinions, Moron was a comment to someone who made a general offensive statement without any supporting evidence, Narcissistic was an accurate description of someone so in love with themselves and convinced of their righteousness of their own opinion that they felt no need to introduce such small sundries as proof ...

You got all that from, "you got mugged." Do you even have any self awareness at all? "was a sound article spoiled by the moronic comment." How can you actually have the temerity to say that on THIS thread? I think you got mugged for Darren Bent, if that offends you, I suggest you lighten up a bit. In one thread you've gone from amusing to just plain weird. Tottenham are welcome to you.

My contributions were fine if you read them before certain Gooners tried to raise silly points

Maybe I should add Lazy to my description of you Little Dutch. So do you deny that your comments weren't designed to goad and get a response? How naive of you.

LD is spot on - this "I only insult those who insult me" is a joke from someone whose contribution on a previous thread included such ariculate responses as "you stupid purid pile of pondlife / you ****ing retard / you gimp loving retard / Pully hard on a blokes on ponytails is something you enjoy (?)"

"My contributions were fine if you read them before certain Gooners tried to raise silly points." Again, on THIS thread? Really?

You should be in Parliament with those debating skills. Imagine this guy in Parliament, I'd vote for him. Opposing politician; "the right honourable gentleman will remember pledging tax cuts for single mothers in May 2003, but he still hasn't delivered. How does the right honourable gentleman respond?" Harry, "you're opbviously a ****." Brilliant, I'd pay to see that.

What point are you trying to raise? That that was the only post on this thread where you came close to convincing anybody you had a shred of sanity?

and you might even have got that little rhyming slang in my name... gold star for you, now back into the corner if you will

you ******** goofle, I had paper, but Kernowboy wins cos he has a massive chip on his shoulder and access to wikipedia which if you didn't know beats rock, paper and scissors!

But Spurs fans still threw chairs, it was there for all to see in glorious technicolour. I know the Spanish police can be heavy handed, I've been to Madrid, Valencia twice, Villarreal, Celta Vigo in support of Arsenal (yeah, that was a dig at Spuds, they never visit these places) and have found the police to be objectionable on all occasions, it was the same in Rome, Milan, Turin. But here is the key, the Arsenal fans didn't respond by throwing chairs, therefore no melee started.

ummm... that's nice kernowboy.... so you freely admit that even though you were able to have reasonably sensible conversation, all be it for a very short time, when people agreed with you as soon as somebody disagreed with you it caused you to lose all self control and start a diatribe that has now lasted nigh on 100 posts. Yes LD was beign a little bit cheeky by making the chairs comment (you naughty little boy LD, lol!) but a more intelligent person would have come up with a more witty and humorous comment to embarass LD - and to be fair the post by LD was hardly one of his more striking moments of intellect so it should have been to hard for a mind such as yours... or does wiki not come up with witty responses. If it doesn't i'm sure that for some reason it was the foreigners fault

Whats 'wiki' - why would that new gamestation thing help? -again, please read through this article and explain once where I have blamed foreigners except for the Spanish police where my opinions were also held by the ... Spanish

Spot on LD - have seen it myself countless times....

Ask ANY Arsenal fan who has attended a North London derby and I will absolutely gurantee you they will say the same thing. That little side street going onto seven sister's road where we come out of the south stand. BergkampsBoot has already backed up my claims.

the key words here are 'ask any ARSENAL fan' - ask any neutral fan would provide more weight, but I guess you'll struggle to find any of those to support your allegations. As you come out of the South Stand onto Park Lane which leads to Tottenham High St or Willougby Lane and both have been packed with the Police or Stewards I am not entirely sure if you even know where these proported events occur. Maybe you just read it somewhere though as this never seems to make it to the press I doubt that as well.

I have to concur with BergkampsBoot, seen it dozens of times. The police line protects us upon exit from the South Stand, but the morons just follow the line down onto the seven sister's road (we're not allowed to turn left out of the turnstiles), until the police line evaporates and make a go for it. Of course, that doesn't prevent them throwing bottles over the line of police and stewards. Even if you turn right out onto the seven sister's raod and make a break in the direction of the Paxton Road past the garage, you are met with thugs lurking around the corners. People standing outside the off license opposite Norhtumberland Park tube station with the choice "oi, gooner" shout and clobbering anyone who turns around. Anyone who uses the national press as a bastion of truth is really more deluded than is conceivable. The press can't magically unconvince me that I saw a teenage girl hit with a bottle in 2001 (or Sol Campbell hit with a bottle for that matter).

I have acess to Wiki...so can you. Kronke 4 eva!

Not upset kernowboy, just VERY irritated at your level of debate.....I agree with LD (nice response to the geography dig, I thought, LD) if someone had told me that a (so-called) Arsenal fan had beaten up a bloke with a kid, or smashed a teenage girl with a bottle I would have been thoroughly ashamed and said that they were not fit to wear an Arsenal shirt. Seems kernowboy doesn't share our sense of morality.......

And we resort back to the pathetic 'Harry' name calling. Bergkampsboot asked if I was calling you liars; I said yes. I seem to recall your constant 'bleating' about this after every North London derby, I'm surprised you don't suggest some attack on a Gooner in South London isn't done by Spurs fans following you. It should be noted that numerous Spurs fans come out of the ground at the same stage, and I and none of my colleagues have never seen such incidences. If I had I'd immediately 999 .... and how come in this age of cameras on mobile phones, there is still no evidence. Allegations without evidence are simply allegations. However I'd be concerned about hanging around you as you seem to have been the victim of every incidence of alleged hooliganism since the NLD began, attracting violence like s*** attracts flies.

Offer some impartial PROOF and your claims carry weight

Hey, where did I mention where you come from?

"I'd have though you might have considered that old maxim 'Innocent until proven guilty' and not relied on some hearsay offered by those from a biased position before swallowing every word hook line and sinker".................God, you can be a patronising, condescending and VERY irritating person, kernowboy - I know what I saw with my own eyes, as does LD - a first-hand witness account is NOT hearsay.

I mentioned South London, as its a long distance from North London and was taking the p*** as to how far an alleged fan would follow you. I see lots of kids in South London wearing Gooner shirts or they did when I lived there - why hasn't an attack on these kids been blamed on Spurs fans... what a paranoid clown you are. I have no idea where you live and no interest in doing so. Personally you're lavatory attendant duties are important all over the capital. As it is also comparatively easy to record with either the video or still function photo facility on a mobile (obviously turning off the camera noise) you excuses as why one in 15,000 fans over the last 5 years is remarkable.

Arsenal fans claiming to see incidents not supported by fans of the other side or independent groups. Its not patronising or condescending ... its insulting that you should endeavour to smear a group of people without offering any unarguable evidence. The authorities would throw your case out before it even got to court as the claims are tainted and biased. Not my opinion but that of the law I'd imagine.

Bergkampsboot, I work for a mobile phone manufacturer. It is easy peasy to record events without the target being aware of it, so much so that we are now having to take action because of legal problems and concerns this is causing. Now, again how has not one in 15,000 been able to do this. An articulate squealing whinging post by LD, presenting opinion and hearsay and confusing it as evidence and fact

I'm not defending them. Provide some proof and I'd personally shop them to the authorities. Except these events miraculously occur on streets without CCTV, on tubes not fitted with CCTV, in the presense of opposition fans only who are not quick enough to record it.

I REPEAT: ....besides which, we hardly go about with our phones 'at the ready' - these incidents often happen very quickly.......I can just see it now..."excuse me mate, but would you mind chucking that bottle at that girl again, I didn't quite catch it the first time...."

Are you an Arsenal fan? Find me a non-Arsenal fan or some proof and again the claims are then substantiated

I actually believe that having a few Arsenal fans trying to find a new area in which they can try to bad mouth Spurs as hardly something that should be taken seriously. Chelsea fans lecturing other supporters on behaviour is something I'd like to see though. Oh, and I'm not your mate.

I already said kb, I'm not interested in whether you believe me or not, I know what I have seen and experienced, so do others on this forum, whether you choose to believe it is irrelevant to me because it cannot change my personal experience, and an ecperience mysefl and others endure every year. My point about mobile phones is that the second I held one up to record anything, I would immediately be marke dout and kicked senseless. As for not supported by any independent groups? Ring up the Arsenal Supporters' Services, the number is 020 7704 4160. Ask them why they don't run Junior Gunner trips to WHL. Ask them their advice on any Arsenal fan wishing to wear colours at WHL in September. In fact, I have the e mail address for AISA if you want it, I'll stick it in your inbox, e mail them on their thooughts about attending WHL. I'm sure you'll find that nobody here has even slightly hyperbolised.

http://www.arsenal-world.co.uk/news/loadroll.asp?cid=ED13&id=188960 Check that link, I know you won't, so here's the bit to focus on, "I suppose they were calling me to share in my happiness. They must have been surprised to find that I wasn't exactly beside myself with joy, but how does one explain that I forked up forty quid for an outing which was as enjoyable as a date with the dentist where I'd come away feeling fortunate to have escaped any fillings. Mind you I usually have to be in absolute agony before I'll let anyone drag me, kicking and screaming to the dentist. Following similar trouble almost every season outside after the game, the aggravation some encountered trying to escape Tottenham territory last term proved to be the back breaking straw which has seen them swear off visiting Spurs for good. I guess we've been fairly lucky to date, keeping our heads down and our smiles even deeper, only having to dodge harmless insults as we've scuttled to the safety of our car. If I'd have been caught up in the hail of bricks and bottles which forced my neighbour at Highbury to seek refuge in a school hall as the old bill escorted them to 'safety' when they left the Lane last season, perhaps I might also have felt that I just don't need this any more?"

kb - are you actually reading what you post? ...you said "Find me a non-Arsenal fan....the claims are then substantiated", so AFC85Lew mentions some Chelsea supporting friends of his who've had similar experiences, to which your hypocritical (but hilarious) response is "..Chelsea fans lecturing other supporters on behaviour.." ....so you didn't actually mean it when you asked for non-Arsenal fans views then?

Bergkampboot - third party = hearsay. Little Dutch .. can you find one nonArsenal or Arsenal affiliated source?

I think we should hang 'em coloureds and latinos too...

Well kb, try Football Intelligence, they are available on 020 7238 8000. Tell them you are an Arsenal fan travelling to WHL in September and are planning to take your young son in colours, see what they say. The football supporters' federation is available on 01634 319 461, repeat the same story to them. If you can wait until tomorrow when I get home, I can give you full details of the police authority who deal with North London derby matches at WHL and you can ask them advice on how an Arsenal fan can best stay safe at WHL.

Without stating the obvious can you please R7 close KB down I for one don't want to listen to anymore crap from him I want to talk about our team not the scum from Whl. I don't care if they throw chairs at each other, I don't care about their team and I care even less about ex Gunners who want to support their rag bag bunch of crap. It maybe good for the number of strikes on this site but it is BORING BORING

Meeh, my provocations went beyond 200 posts, and I never got banned :p.

I agree with goofle, ban that bloody Kevin - the Ruskie-loving sod!

breeth in Niko LOL! BTW whats the name about?

I would have banned you 2 years ago mate!!! I support Chelsea NOW because we have money!!!