I'm not sure how FFP could be responsible for raising ticket prices for smaller clubs if they do rise. Logically, as wage and transfer fees are the biggest single component of cost inflation for all clubs anything that reduces that inflationary pressure should be positive for ticket prices.

Is there any evidence to support your opinion that Kroenke is worse for football than Abramovich or Mansour's inflationary impact? That he wants to make money is clear enough (it would be rather odd if he didn't). Even before the Glazers took over at ManU a succession of their previous owners were taking substantial dividends out of the club so it's fairly standard practice but so far Kroenke hasn't taken anything out of Arsenal and hasn't shown any particular intent in the short term.

Well if certain clubs that are further down the leagues need investment from their owners to stay afloat, or compete, or whatever, then they're not going to be able to rely on this, are they? They're being persecuted for the massive scales that we see at the other end of the spectrum.

I'm not sure evidence is required to support this opinion, it's exactly that, an opinion. The slant you put on it is inflation, fine, i'm sure Kroenke isn't responisble for barely any inflation in the game - the arabs and russians are more culpbable for that. But as I've said, at least they want to win, they want their team to have trophies - our owner, doesn't give a fig about trophies as long as the cash cow remains fat.

There are clubs at the lower levels that are still being run on a self sustained basis. FFP doesn't prevent anyone putting money into a club in any 3 year period. It just prevents a club solely being run continuously on that basis spending more than they can reasonably expect to generate and putting those clubs that are being run on a self sustained basis under inflationary pressure. There's no limit on any youth related development investments if the club is capable of growing organically.

Fine if it's just unsupported opinion I was just interested to hear how you reached your conclusion. I don't think the owners of Chelsea or Man City see it as wanting their clubs to win trophies they see it purely as Abramovich and Mansour winning trophies. The clubs are just the ones they picked up along the way.

Kroenke just sees it as a business, which in order to be successful has to have some success at some point, so logically the business plan has to include that as an objective. For sure if the cow doesn't have any cash it won't have any success either.

This is what worries me, the cow will continue to have cash without success, with the amount of money being pumped in from TV deals and what not, he'll be happy to maintain the status quo of finising in the CL places, even when we're on an even footing financially with the Chelseas and Citehs of this world.

TV revenues, like matchday and commercial revenues, are related to success. If we have the biggest cash cow we'll have the biggest chance of success.

Success as in top 4, or success as in the stuff we've got written on our boards?

Success has to be the PL title, CL as second, CL qualification third, and then domestic cups but we won't feel successful until we win the title even if we pick up a domestic cup. With the resources to go for it the PL is the objective any business plan would include. If you don't have the resources it won't be there.

The poor dears know absolutely nothing about FFP, don't understand it, what it does, what it's for or how it works - but they do know they don't like it!

I honestly thought they'd go away, do some research and find a way of forming an opinion that didn't seem to crazy yet was beneficial to Man City. I seriously didn't expect them not to come back at all. (Though them not coming back is not strictly true, I've seen them loitering in the forum, just not posting anything).

And I got called ignorant for not knowing every little detail about Man City, yet they're here mocking Arsenal for encouraging the implementation of something they clearly know nothing about.

You guys are hilarious. FFP has been done to death on VMC. There is thread after thread, page after page of opinion on it.

I'm of the same opinion as Samuel, it stifles competition and it deters investment.

Amos, you really do come across as a pompous prat.

And like I said Rocky, you're just plain ignorant.

So after two days all you can come up with is "yeah, what he said" ..... and I'm the ignorant one.

There is nothing that stifles competition more than teams with false economies. Teams that have limitless funds at their disposal not only cause a decrease in true competition but also force other clubs into doing things that can be harmful one way or the other.

Teams like Leeds end up going down the shitter because they spend so much money trying to keep up with the Joneses, or ... get this ... they up the cost of their tickets to astronomical prices in order to generate funds (so much so that rival fans refuse to buy the tickets) and try to compete.

Financial Fair Play may come at a cost, but that cost no worse than the costs we're seeing at the hands of teams just handed everything on a silver plate. But this way, clubs that have been around for generations are able, with any luck, to fend for themselves.

A football club at the lower end of the spectrum might not have much of a chance to compete with the top teams under FFP, but at least they do have a chance, if they implement the right business models and work hard, it could well pay off, it might take years or even decades, but that chance is there.

Without it, no-one has a chance to break into that group of elite clubs without a sugar daddy.

A Premier League season is supposed to be a competition to see which club is the best, whilst that does mean which club is the best at football, to be best at football you need the best manager, staff, financial model.

Football should not be about which team can find the richest owner to spunk disgusting amounts of cash on players till they win something.

Yes I understand that City are planning for the future, but that damage has already been done.

A considered and cogent response Rocky - unlikely to get anything other than more abuse from Bluedub though. He doesn't do considered or cogent it seems. He's comfortable with abuse though.

There's a fair degree of irony in City fans complaining about the price of football tickets given the inflationary effect Mansour and Abramovich have had on wages and transfer costs. I guess those used to living off handouts will always be worried when told they'll have to stand on their own feet.