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Fenerbache vs. Arsenal

Sukru Saracoglu Stadium

21/10/08

19:45

Fenerbache v. Arsenal

Arsenal enters Match day 3 of this years Champions League top of group G, and this round they face another difficult test in Turkey against fellow quarter finalists from last year Fenerbache. The Turkish side made quite a few changes during the summer, like bringing in Spanish stars Daniel Guiza and Luis Aragones, but these changes have not payed off for Fener as they have 4 losses already in 7 league games and are last place in the group. Arsenal will need to adjust quickly to the monstrous crowd in Turkey and will need to silence them early on.

Vital Quotes:

Arsene is looking to take advantage of Fenerbache's poor performances of late. 'I have been involved in many games in Turkey. What is important is that you always have on the pitch the potential to quieten the supporters,' said the Frenchman.

'That is down to how well you play and how much personality you show, and this is down to us - so I do not think it will be a problem.'

'We would like to take advantage of the fact that Fenerbahce are not at their best at the moment and get the points as quickly as possible,' he added.

Aragones has only been on the job for a couple of months now, and like his fellow Spaniard down the road from here, rumors of his resignation are all about. But he is still confident in his team for tomorrow. 'In some of the games I have seen there are nine players behind the ball and they play with one up front and five midfielders,' he explained.

'They don't play as attacking football as you say.

'But I am only concerned about my own team and not the opposition's at this stage.'

Robin van Persie has the attitude that all Arsenal players need to have. The Dutchman said 'It will be really tough. I experienced it a few years ago and the fans there are amazing,' said Van Persie.

'It was really aggressive, but that is their style.

'You have to deal with the atmosphere. It is not nice but I think if you play for Arsenal you have to adapt and just play your game.

'It will be a good test for us and I will enjoy the game.'

Fenerbache Team News:

Deivid, Gökçek Vederson, Josico and Emre Belözoğlu are all out for Fenerbache, and they might be without the young Turkish international defender Gokhan Gonul. This will be a big loss for this important game because he is a rising star in Turkey and Aragones would of hoped Gokhan would play a part in trying to shut down Arsenal's potent attack.

Player to watch: Semih Senturk

One Turkish star that Fener will have for this game is Semih Senturk. I was very impressed with him during the Euros, as he was instrumental in the thrilling victories that the Turks managed to grab out of nothing. Look for him to be the link between their defense and the talented Guiza up top.

Arsenal Team News:

The only new injury to the squad is that Kolo has torn ligaments in his shoulder and will be out for more than a month. There is actually some good news though, Bendtner and Djourou are back in the squad but neither is likely to start. Samir Nasri, who limped off against Everton, is fit and will most likely start on the left wing again.

Possible Starting XI: Almunia, Eboue, Song, Silvestre, Clichy, Walcott, Denilson, Fabregas, Nasri, van Persie, Adebayor

Player to watch: Cesc Fabregas

I anticipate that Cesc will get the captains armband for this game, so this is a big step for Fabregas. I know Almunia got it in the Everton game, but I seem to remember Wenger saying that if Gallas was out then Kolo would get it followed by Cesc. I may be 100% wrong here, and if I am, Cesc will be still be a key figure in this game. He needs to dictate games like he did at the San Siro last year if we are to be successful. If he does get the armband then he will no doubt handle it with the same pose he has shown throughout his Arsenal career.

Match Facts & Stats

I think we can go to Turkey and play them off the park from the beginning, but what I think and what actually happens usually doesn't coincide. But since I am fresh off a right result last weekend versus Everton, I will go with my first instinct. 3-1 to the Arsenal again!

Next Fixtures:

26/10-- West Ham(A)-- Premier League

29/10-- Tottenham(H)-- Premier League

I usually put three, but I'll stop there for obvious reasons!




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Writer: Brice Coffer Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday October 21 2008

Time: 5:47AM

Your Comments

Again, the absolute key to this game is getting on top early. If we can do that then we have our best chance at leaving Turkey with all three points
gunnerkid107
I'd be happy with a draw from this one. Arsene can show all the bravado he wants, but these places are notoriously difficult to play at. If we win, by any means, I will be absolutely delighted.
Rocky7
I'm happy with Djourou or Song at CB with Silvestre, but I hope you're right and Eboue plays at RB. That isn't a reflection on Eboue, but he is more experienced at RB. Don't be surprised though if Djourou or Song (whatever one doesn't play CB) plays at RB.
navydave
Yep, it's important for us to get an early goal and therefore quiet down the Turkish fans. I'm happy that we have Silvestre at the back, he has lots of experience at Champion League level, which will help us at loads.
hackneyval
No worries Dave, the boss said he'd keep the same backline that finished the Everton game. i.e. Eboue at RB. :) I can see us conceding a freak Guiza goal, but I can also see us outscoring them. So 3-1 again!
GoonerLou
Hope your right Lou!
navydave
think you might struggle there........ ....close tight and nasty game 1 -1 final score
lincolnblue
Kolo's out for "10-15 days".... http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_4365579,00.html
GoonerLou
I won't be happy with a draw rocky. I belive we will win and win well, 2 or 3 goals and rvp and theo to score.
Armory
Almunia's getting the armband. I'm going for a big 4-1 to us. Van Persie, Nasri, Adebayor and Walcott to score. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if we lost either. GK you've got some tough work this season because this has got to be the most unpredictable Arsenal side ever!
ArsenalRob
I don't like the move of playing a 4-5-1. We needed to come out and attack to silence the crowd early on. I think that will be harder to do with a 4-5-1 versus a 4-4-2
gunnerkid107
I actually think 4-5-1 could work tonight. Keep the ball to ourselves for a while. However, I'm dissapointed that RvP isn't playing. Perhaps he could have done a job on the left? Although Diaby's physical presence will be a positive for us, unlike his match practice.
ArsenalRob
It's harsh on RVP in my opinion because he put in the work and effort in the game versus Everton, while Ade really didn't look interested. But you can't play van Persie in a 4-5-1 up front. Ade really needs to up his game as we need a workhorse up there tonight.
gunnerkid107
Phew, good save from Captain Manuel there.
GoonerLou
Well done Ade!!! :D
GoonerLou
Wth happened?! It's like an IDENTICAL through ball and Theo stayed onside and put it in this time! :D
GoonerLou
Is the rout on?
TPowell
I missed it, who had the assist for walcott?
TPowell
Can't believe already two goals! And who says Almunia doesn't make big saves for us???
jaelle
Missed that bit too - I was still celebrating Ade's goal lol! It looked exactly the same, I guess it's Cesc who gave that through ball haha..
GoonerLou
Almunia took one in the tezzies from the rather orincally named "Semih" ...... he won't be getting one of those for a while!! LOL
Rocky7
**ironically
Rocky7
what a start i came to write about ade and theo scores as well 2-0
anonymous
Here we go....poor defending and Silvestre with an og.....2-1
SUX2BU
OMG did Abou score with his LEFT foot or was I seeing things/!??!?!?!??!?!?! :D
GoonerLou
Wow...a goalfest! 3-1....DIABY!
SUX2BU
4 goals in 22 minutes? Traveling gooners got their moneys worth!
TPowell
twas the left foot indeed
SUX2BU
I don't think I've ever seen Diaby use his left foot to pass, let alone shoot, let alone score!! lol He's defo loving this "DB role" in the hole eh? :)
GoonerLou
What an extrordinary game!!
Rocky7
Let's be honest, people, it's comedy defending from both teams.
jaelle
Yeah, I guess Diaby isn't the answer to our CM question is he. Much like Denilson I've always seen him as a pretty talented attacking midfielder.
TPowell
What is Brice's score prediction for the next 70 minutes of the match I wonder?
SUX2BU
Our kids are being kicked around. And what the hell is it with this ref who books Diaby for his celebration? Moron!
jaelle
As long as I'm entertained and we win .... I don't care ... lol
Rocky7
Yeah Rocky, but it's nothing compared to the previous one - Zenit v Bate was an absolutely crazy game!
GoonerLou
I agree TP, I've always said Diaby only has PV4's physical shape, not his DM qualities. But like Rocky said, winning is more important here. And Jaelle, what's this ref doing?! Abou didn't remove his shirt or anything.
GoonerLou
Fenerbache cant stop on side lmao!i think we will put 5 past these tonight
Achilles
Lou, Diaby lifted his shirt -- apparently that's now a big no-no in the CL for some weird reason. That's the only thing I can think of. I agree, TP, Diaby is a naturally offensive player, he's not DM material.
jaelle
this game is going to give me a heart attack, I can't take this.
jaelle
MY FRIENDS, THAT IS ALMUNIA!!!! Another great save!
jaelle
Yeah Jaelle, that's the only thing I could think of. But apparently that's a bookable offence now. -_- I think my heart and my nerve are taking a lot of pressure too. It's 3.30am here and I'm trying very hard not to scream. One more scary thing's that the Fenerbahce shirt looks like Hull lol
GoonerLou
"One more scary thing's that the Fenerbahce shirt looks like Hull" Bite your tongue, Lou!! :-) Ok, first half is over -- PLEASE ARSENE, TELL THESE KIDS TO FREAKING DEFEND!!!! That was pathetic! Fener players just waltzed right thru our midfield like they had all the time in the world.
jaelle
wow, rarely are we outshot, especially by this much!
TPowell
What a game!!! I'm loving this, this is what football should be all about every week. Yes our defence has looked a little dodgy, but three of it's four usual players are missing. Awesome!!!!!!
Rocky7
This is some of the worst defending I have EVER SEEN! From both sides, but Almunia has been STELLAR!! Did I forget to mention that my prediction was for the first half? lol. I cant see this game staying at this scoreline.
gunnerkid107
rocky, it's not "a little dodgy" -- it's shambolic. Not just the back line but the midfield as well. No one, not Cesc or Diaby or Denilson or Nasri are doing any defending at all.
jaelle
I'd rather have this than a stout defensive performance with a one goal win. I watch football to be thrilled, I watch it for the adreniline and passion. Yes it's not ideal, but this has been a truly exciting game. 3-1 and still no-one is happy .... geez
Rocky7
Djourou for Denilson and stick Song in front of the CBs
TPowell
I don't think I can take this every week Rocky...! And I said above "I can see us conceding a freak Guiza goal, but I can also see us outscoring them. So 3-1 again!" Ahem, now Arsene will tell everyone to pack the midfield and defend with 11 men, then I'm there. :)
GoonerLou
Rocky, the problem is that we're so shambolic I can easily see them scoring more goals, we're so unsettled at the back. Yes, we're up 3 goals but when you have zero defense that means you're giving the other team tons of chances to score too! And Guiza and Semturk are genuine threats.
jaelle
Damnit, damnit! How dare you foul my Samir!!!
GoonerLou
But they're worse than us at the back and it's THEM who has to come at us. Just enjoy the game ..... if we start losing, then you're entitled to have a go at the team.
Rocky7
Song! 4-1
YankeeDeuce
Is this Song's first European goal? Fantastic strike! :D
GoonerLou
And there you go .... now cheer the ***** up!!!! LOL
Rocky7
Great, Nasri's in pain, looks like he's injured..............AND SONG SCORES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jaelle
do we have any DMs? Or are they all goal scorers? haha
TPowell
TP, very true -- we don't have any DMs, just attackers. Which is working for us right now.
jaelle
nasri's back on
SUX2BU
defending better now
jaelle
Seriously, this game is the best chance for Clichy to score his 1st Arsenal goal. Go Gael go!! :D
GoonerLou
Whoa Booboo almost had an overhead kick to clear that ball! Damn, he's injured as I'm typing... But you know injuries are for mortals, no worries.
GoonerLou
Booboo is indestructible. :-)
jaelle
He just got EBOUED!!!!!
Rocky7
what the hell was that??
YankeeDeuce
good defensive work by clichy, eboue and almunia
jaelle
yankee, that was our team's version of good defending. :-D
jaelle
ramsey's coming on
jaelle
Well now that they've been Eboued, Fener have no chance
TPowell
I knew that was going to happen
jaelle
My sphincter was just put on def com 3!!!!! LOL
Rocky7
Bobby has just scored for Villareal, making it 5-3 in that other crazy game!
GoonerLou
and we've been Guiza'd....saw that coming....4-2
SUX2BU
Where has Ade been all night?? I forgot he was playing LOL
Rocky7
YES, DJOUROU'S ON!!!
jaelle
the other crazy game tonight is villareal 6-3
jaelle
Yes I'm afraid we've been Guiza'd, they've been Eboue'd. But it's nice to see that Almunia's been armband'd. :P
GoonerLou
Pleased for Bobby!!! Vela on!!!
Rocky7
vela on, Ade off
jaelle
Yet another crazy game's Steaua Bucharest 4-5 Lyon... And believe me, Zenit 1-1 Bate was very crazy too, watch it if they show it on telly again.
GoonerLou
33 goals in 8 games last time they reported!!!! :0
Rocky7
There's 35 goals now...
SUX2BU
3-5 sorry
GoonerLou
ramsey is so cool!
jaelle
YES RAMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rocky7
and just as I typed that, Ramsey scores!!! Imagine if he'd chosen MU, he'd be playing for Cardiff right now on loan!
jaelle
does that make him the youngest player ever to score in the CL?
jaelle
36 goals in 8 games! Thats ridiculous lol. Definite positives to take out of this game, and hopefully when we get our first choice defense back we will look a little more confident back there.
gunnerkid107
our defense was more offensive than the offense...that's a bad thing.
SUX2BU
Qualification if we beat them in a couple of weeks and results go our way!!!! That would be about perfect for us!!!
Rocky7
...as in offensive to watch that is
SUX2BU
Jaelle, Cesc was 17 yrs 217 days when he scored for us in Europe in 2004. Rambo was born on Dec 26, 1990, so he should be older than that now. But still a fantastic goal for the boy! http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wilshere-makes-history-with-late-appearance
GoonerLou
Super rambo but must say that our defending was sh@@t to nite, a better team would have destroyed us, song and sylvestre are a to slow pair, possibly song with gallas or sylvestre with gallas in toures absense. Diaby was I think excellent in first halve but faded in second, needs more matches under his belt and will be like a new signing for us.
Armory
Ok, I've whined a lot about that horrible defense....but I'll acknowledge that it's a pretty impressive thing to do to go to the Saracoglu and score 5 goals, destroying their CL home record. No small thing.
jaelle
OK, Lou, thanks for that info.
jaelle
God damn it. Leave it to ******** Setanta to criticize Arsenal for a 5-2 win away from home in TURKEY. ***** we were terrible, we didn't score 10 goals. Our team is ******** ***** even though we are without 3 of our first choice defenders.
gunnerkid107
What we have to remember is that three of that defensive unit wasn't first choice, that's 75%, we can't expect them to be cohesive. But we had a stout keeper tonight and this is a team game and the team did well!! Diaby, Walcott, Clichy, Almunia ... all great IMO!!
Rocky7
Very sorry for the rant but these morons just pick at everything.
gunnerkid107
Yep for that reason I wouldn't make too many conclusions about our defence based on today's game. That's cr@p GK, here I'm keeping the volume very low (almost 5am here). And I wonder how Gus Poyet (pundit!) is feeling now watching the cream of the crop in Europe. lol
GoonerLou
But am I the only one getting frustated with ade, the defence was bad but as rocky said missing 3 out of 4 regular defenders, but ade has not been out or injured so what is his exscuse, his first toutch has always been bad but his decision making is horrible, if there is a 1% chance of beign offside he'll take it also not working as hard as he used to, time for nicky I think.
Armory
gk, glad I don't have to listen to those scumbags. Any chance to have a go at Arsenal, doesn't matter what the results are. Had it been MU with a shambolic defense and a poor Fener team, they'd be having an orgasm over MU's ability to go to Fener and get a 5-goal win.
jaelle
And btw I'm watching the highlights of other games. Aalborg were so useless that Villareal were having a lot of free-scoring fun even though they did concede goals. Bobby gave an unselfish assist and then scored one from a rebound. Happy for him! :)
GoonerLou
I've tried not to be critical of a fantastic game Amoury, but for the overall season I gotta agree with you, he's been terrible. People argue that he is pivotal to our play, but if he's never involved at all I can't see that being true. It seems as though his work ethic he used to become a first team regular has gone by the way side. Vela would be much more productive up front in my opinion.
Rocky7
have to agree completely re Ade, Rocky and Armory. I didn't say anything because I'm always whining about Ade. I just don't think he really gives a damn about Arsenal anymore.
jaelle
Yeas rocky, vela is very good but nicky will give us the aerial power that ade has to some extent and the nead toutces that he has not, if he drops rvp again I'll hope he plays vela and nicky as they seem to have developed an understanding and could very well becoume our future pairing.
Armory
What a craze evening for goals, so glad we got a good win and 3pts, so much for the hostile atomsphere in Turkey!! The Arsenal overcame that to score 5 goals!!! How brilliant for young Ramsey to score in a CL match, and for Song, Walcott and Diabyas well, and not forgetting Adebayor who started it all.
hackneyval
I reckon Ade needs to grow get his dreadlocks back soon, he's not looking quite so frightning anymore.
ArsenalRob
how amazing was diaby tonight ! Theo goes from strength to strength and I was so happy for Ramsey, if anyone has seen his goal against england for wales, there is such much more to come from the 17 yr old !
PUREGOLD
my concerns over our defence, well without 3 key defenders, i was surprised with silvestre, a man of his experience came out far to quickly. but he has learnt the arsenal way very quickly with raising his hand ! and he was solid against everton too.. still alumnia was solid, i am not worried really our offense was always going to score more than we conceded.
PUREGOLD
If Arsenal didnt have to face an English team, you'd win the CL with your eyes closed! But as it happens, you always get unstuck when you meet some of the PL big boys. Honestly the way you play, no team in Europe is used to that besides prem teams! You'd find it veery easy to win the CL without any English teams left I have to say though.
ForeverUnited
True enough FU lol but for all we know, the English teams will be right up there in the semi- or quarter-finals. :D
GoonerLou
Amazing how the Istanbul crowd was not only silenced, they also clapped our team off the pitch at the end. Cool stuff: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7671422.stm
GoonerLou
Excellent result and we looked very good going forward; have to say that the worries about our defence haven't gone away though. I'm concerned that when we come up against a really good side we are going to get found out, big time. Very pleased for Ramsey.
Moorish
 

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