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Arsenal vs. Manchester United

Emirates Stadium

5/5/09

19:45

On Sky

Arsenal v. United

Not much needs to be said about this match. The importance is there for everyone to see. Twenty years ago Arsenal famously needed to win by two goals. We're in the same situation today.

I've been pretty calm and relaxed all week. An inordinate amount of school work has kept my mind elsewhere. My halcyon state of mind has vanished though. The reality and magnitude of this fixture has officially set in as I write this. I cannot wait for the next 24 hours to be over.

Vital Quotes:

Here's what Wenger had to say in his pre-match interview:

'Everybody is focused and ready for the game,' said Wenger.

'We are all aware it is our team performance that will be important rather than the responsibility on any individual.'

'Against a team like United you need the team to defend well and that starts up front. We will want to put pressure on them. We have to be positive about the team and optimistic about this team.'

'I am very confident the team will produce a magnificent performance and that we will manage it.'

'We lacked a bit of sharpness in the first leg. We will make sure that sharpness and decisiveness in the duels will be on our side on Tuesday.'

'We play a home game where we have a strong record in the Champions League. For many people we are outsiders, but I personally believe we will do it.'

Arsenal Team News:

Arsenal fans have been calling for the Professor to line the troops up in a four, four, two formation tomorrow. Well, it seems they have got their wish. van Persie is in the squad and ready to go. He will partner Adebayor, who needs to bounce back from a disappointing showing in the first leg. Silvestre might be fit, as the Boss labeled him as a 'maybe'.

Predicted Starting XI: Almunia, Sagna, Toure, Djourou, Gibbs, Walcott, Song, Cesc, Nasri, van Persie, Adebayor

Player to watch: Everybody

I cannot pick just one player. As Arsene said in his interview, tomorrow will not come down to an sterling individual preformance, but instead a great collective team preformance will be needed to overturn the deficit. Everybody is the player to watch. This also includes the home fans. I know you will be marvelously loud, and the team will be exponentially better for it.

Manchester United Team News:

Good news for United fans is that Evra and Rio will start. O'Shea will most likely keep his right back spot, even though Gary Neville is back. After Neville's last trip to the Emirates, Sir Alex will want to keep him as far away from the pitch as possible.

If Ferguson is stupid enough to start Berbatov over Tevez, I will be overcome with joy. The gritty Argentinian brings so much more to United, in my opinion, than the silky Bulgarian. I have a feeling we will see the former Tottenham striker take the field from the outset, which is fine by me.

Possible Starting XI: van der Sar, O'Shea, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Ronaldo, Rooney, Berbatov

Player to watch: Rio Ferdinand

Whether Rio is fully fit will be crucial to this fixture. Him and Vidic did an outstanding job quarantining Adebayor at Old Trafford, but if Ferdinand is not 100% than Ade might be able to get the best of him.

Match Facts & Stats

Robin van Persie, Abou Diaby, Samir Nasri, and Alex Song are one yellow card away from missing the Final if we get there.

Tevez, Rooney, and Evra are also one yellow card shy.

Manchester United have kept a clean sheet in their last three Champions League away matches.

Arsenal have not conceded a goal at home in the Champions League this season.

This is Arsenal's 100th European home match. Our record at home is 64 wins, 23 draws, 12 losses.

Ref Watch:

Italian referee Roberto Rosetti will be the head official in this match. He was also the head ref in the Euro 08 final between Spain and Germany.

Match Prediction:

For me, if Arsenal is to move onto the final, there is only one scoreline that is possible, 3-1 to the home side. It will take a gargantuan display from the Gunners to make this possible. Skeptics everywhere are asking does Arsenal have this kind of preformance in them? I say, why the f*ck not?! Arsenal wins 3-1 to meet Barcelona in the final of the UEFA Champions League!

Next Fixtures:

10/5 (Sun) - Chelsea (H) - Premier League

16/5 (Sat) - Manchester United (A) - Premier League

24/5 (Sun) - Stoke City (H) - Premier League




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The Journalist

Writer: Brice Coffer Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday May 4 2009

Time: 8:08PM

Your Comments

I hope RvP starts as he's had only one training session. We need the 4-4-2 if we are to stand any chance. There's no point in lining up defensively as we just dont know how to play that way, esp at home. Somebody needs to have an individual blinder tomorrow, either cesc or Nasri, along with RvP for us to score twice and preserve the lead.
prits
I hope RvP starts as he's had only one training session. We need the 4-4-2 if we are to stand any chance. There's no point in lining up defensively as we just dont know how to play that way, esp at home. Somebody needs to have an individual blinder tomorrow, either cesc or Nasri, along with RvP for us to score twice and preserve the lead.
prits
***** i told yu dun give a prediction, but yu won't listen..
luckys_10
***** i told yu dun give a prediction, but yu won't listen..
luckys_10
I would really enjoy seeing you stuff United. Good luck.
RadioactiveD
I would really enjoy seeing you stuff United. Good luck.
RadioactiveD
I feel alot more relax and confident about this game than the 1st leg,can only be a positive
ajwb
I feel alot more relax and confident about this game than the 1st leg,can only be a positive
ajwb
I think we should rest Fabregas, RVP, Nasri & Walcott and perhaps a few defenders for the newxt few games ready for Stoke
paul_ownz
I think we should rest Fabregas, RVP, Nasri & Walcott and perhaps a few defenders for the newxt few games ready for Stoke
paul_ownz
good luck!
pompeycarpet
good luck!
pompeycarpet
RvP and Benthner up front and Nasri, Song, Cesc and Theo in the middle with Gibbs/Eboue, Johan, Toure and Sagna at the back Manuel in goal and lets have a real go at their defense, it can be riled as has been shown by Villa and Liverpool. If on the other hand Wenger decides to stick with 451 then play Diaby in the hole, his best games have been there, not Cesc as he needs to be deeper to influence the game. And for *****s sake leave Ade on the bench and Give benthner a go.
Armory
RvP and Benthner up front and Nasri, Song, Cesc and Theo in the middle with Gibbs/Eboue, Johan, Toure and Sagna at the back Manuel in goal and lets have a real go at their defense, it can be riled as has been shown by Villa and Liverpool. If on the other hand Wenger decides to stick with 451 then play Diaby in the hole, his best games have been there, not Cesc as he needs to be deeper to influence the game. And for *****s sake leave Ade on the bench and Give benthner a go.
Armory
The lineup you provided Armory makes so much sense... therefore it will not be used.
TPowell
I am really pumped up for this game. This is for me the biggest game we have had since the Final 2006 & the biggest by far at the Emirates. Lets get behind the team and make this one count. It could finally make the Emirates feel like Home if we beat them to get to the final. COME ON ARSENAL
paul_ownz
I am really pumped up for this game. This is for me the biggest game we have had since the Final 2006 & the biggest by far at the Emirates. Lets get behind the team and make this one count. It could finally make the Emirates feel like Home if we beat them to get to the final. COME ON ARSENAL
paul_ownz
Also, if god is listening. I will go to church more often and give 10 pound a month to a worthy charity for the rest of 2009 if you let us win tommorow.
paul_ownz
Also, if god is listening. I will go to church more often and give 10 pound a month to a worthy charity for the rest of 2009 if you let us win tommorow.
paul_ownz
I'm predicting a 6-2 win for the reds (our reds or course) ;)
ForeverUnited
On a serious note, really looking forward to this game and all the attacking football that comes when these two sides play! We'll need the same aggression we had in the first leg to see this through. Anderson and Fletcher will need to repeat their outstanding first leg performances. Sheasy needs a birthday treat so I'm sure you'll help us with a win here by repeating your first leg performance.....;)
ForeverUnited
ForeverUnited, Im not convinced it will be an open attacking game. When it comes to European away legs Ferguson seems willing to put his faith in his back 5 and defend for long periods, and only attacking on the counter hes done it away to Barca, Porto etc in the last couple of years and I can see him trying it again tonight. And why wouldnt he? Its this arsenal sides worst nightmare (a well organised defence willing to sit back and defend in numbers).
NoFitState
ForeverUnited, Im not convinced it will be an open attacking game. When it comes to European away legs Ferguson seems willing to put his faith in his back 5 and defend for long periods, and only attacking on the counter hes done it away to Barca, Porto etc in the last couple of years and I can see him trying it again tonight. And why wouldnt he? Its this arsenal sides worst nightmare (a well organised defence willing to sit back and defend in numbers).
NoFitState
i agree with armory, lets start with NB with RVP, and bring ade on late in the second half if we need to. i just think RVP has a better understanding with NB.
supersof
I'm pretty sure, judging by the FA cup semi final and the CL semi final 1st leg that Wenger will experiment in a massive game yet again and we could see Theo at LB and young Gibbs in the hole behind the Striker, bseeing as these games are the ones where we need to experiment........
LondonGooner
I'm pretty sure, judging by the FA cup semi final and the CL semi final 1st leg that Wenger will experiment in a massive game yet again and we could see Theo at LB and young Gibbs in the hole behind the Striker, bseeing as these games are the ones where we need to experiment........
LondonGooner
Gkid, well 3-1 is 'possible' if we were to go through. But don't you think a 1-0 and going through on pens would be more likely? lol Hey FU, only one team will wear red on the night and it's not yours I'm afraid. ;) Quite strangely, I'm also more excited than nervous about this one, don't know why. The lads will do us proud!
GoonerLou
Gkid, well 3-1 is 'possible' if we were to go through. But don't you think a 1-0 and going through on pens would be more likely? lol Hey FU, only one team will wear red on the night and it's not yours I'm afraid. ;) Quite strangely, I'm also more excited than nervous about this one, don't know why. The lads will do us proud!
GoonerLou
The agony and the ecstacy. Just going to need events to turn our way, definitely going to need some fortune. They're obviously an accomplished side who will really fancy their chances of scoring. The good thing is we know exactly what we need to do - as the manager is saying: put them under tremendous pressure without conceding. Easier said than done. Part of me doesn't even want to watch the game, only hear the final score - and I've actually got a ticket for tonight!! Come on your REDS!
Gooner_Vin
The agony and the ecstacy. Just going to need events to turn our way, definitely going to need some fortune. They're obviously an accomplished side who will really fancy their chances of scoring. The good thing is we know exactly what we need to do - as the manager is saying: put them under tremendous pressure without conceding. Easier said than done. Part of me doesn't even want to watch the game, only hear the final score - and I've actually got a ticket for tonight!! Come on your REDS!
Gooner_Vin
The spirit of '89 be with you all on the momentuous day!!
Rocky7
The spirit of '89 be with you all on the momentuous day!!
Rocky7
NoFitState - But this is Arsenal not Barca. No disrespect but you don't have the fear that Barca instill in their opponents. I can assure you, we'll be attacking and playing with TWO strikers tonight.
ForeverUnited
NoFitState - But this is Arsenal not Barca. No disrespect but you don't have the fear that Barca instill in their opponents. I can assure you, we'll be attacking and playing with TWO strikers tonight.
ForeverUnited
Great news! Manchester United will have a boost as Rio Ferdinand is expected to play tonight and can select from a fully fit squad. Typical for us. Why is it that at Arsenal we seem to suffer so badly from injuries? Its certainly been the case for the last two seasons where weve have several players out at the same time. Is it down to the way we train, or incompetent medical staff or is it because teams take a physical approach when they play us and we pick up more injuries as a result? Maybe were just unlucky. Either way, tonight will not be the preferred starting eleven if Wenger had the whole squad to choose from, and of course, thats to the benefit of United. I can see a high scoring match, probably a score draw, maybe even an Arsenal victory but we will not keep United out. The away goal(s) will prove vital and that would mean our season is over. But I sincerely hope that tomorrow I will have egg on my face because Ive got it hopelessly wrong ;-(
Sir Henry
Great news! Manchester United will have a boost as Rio Ferdinand is expected to play tonight and can select from a fully fit squad. Typical for us. Why is it that at Arsenal we seem to suffer so badly from injuries? Its certainly been the case for the last two seasons where weve have several players out at the same time. Is it down to the way we train, or incompetent medical staff or is it because teams take a physical approach when they play us and we pick up more injuries as a result? Maybe were just unlucky. Either way, tonight will not be the preferred starting eleven if Wenger had the whole squad to choose from, and of course, thats to the benefit of United. I can see a high scoring match, probably a score draw, maybe even an Arsenal victory but we will not keep United out. The away goal(s) will prove vital and that would mean our season is over. But I sincerely hope that tomorrow I will have egg on my face because Ive got it hopelessly wrong ;-(
Sir Henry
Sir Henry I don't think it is because of the medical staff or the way we train, some of it may be down to the physical approach of some teams but mainly I think it is down to the way we play, very fast and accurate passing game where players can not afford to be anything less than 100% fit.
Armory
Sir Henry I don't think it is because of the medical staff or the way we train, some of it may be down to the physical approach of some teams but mainly I think it is down to the way we play, very fast and accurate passing game where players can not afford to be anything less than 100% fit.
Armory
cant see other then a man u result, unless they blow it
123spurs
cant see other then a man u result, unless they blow it
123spurs
sir henry not been smart now, evey team has injuries so you need a squad like man u have something ye dont seem to have with all talent ye have, all yer short is 3 proven players, like arseshavin signing who is brilliant.
123spurs
sir henry not been smart now, evey team has injuries so you need a squad like man u have something ye dont seem to have with all talent ye have, all yer short is 3 proven players, like arseshavin signing who is brilliant.
123spurs
Thank goodness the site is back on!
GoonerLou
Thank goodness the site is back on!
GoonerLou
Lou, United will score. I have no doubt about that. So that's why I said 3-1 is the only possible score that will see Arsenal through.
gunnerkid107
Lou, United will score. I have no doubt about that. So that's why I said 3-1 is the only possible score that will see Arsenal through.
gunnerkid107
I've been to the mountain and seen the men in red whup some Mancurian arse. Y'all need to take a chill pill and stop with the panic, we are the mighty Arsenal, and goddamn it, we're gonna kick some arse! Now, pass the xo and funny ciggies! Ol' red nose, bring it on!
deledudu
You got it spot on gk, TalkSPORT are claiming we have that exact lineup. We should have gone with Bendtner...
Tom14
I've been to the mountain and seen the men in red whup some Mancurian arse. Y'all need to take a chill pill and stop with the panic, we are the mighty Arsenal, and goddamn it, we're gonna kick some arse! Now, pass the xo and funny ciggies! Ol' red nose, bring it on!
deledudu
You got it spot on gk, TalkSPORT are claiming we have that exact lineup. We should have gone with Bendtner...
Tom14
Er...any win by more than 2 goals will see us through , or 1-0 after extra time and we win on penalties !!
radarman
Er...any win by more than 2 goals will see us through , or 1-0 after extra time and we win on penalties !!
radarman
FU ...its a good job Fergie is in charge of your lot tonight and not you....I can't imagine him walking round the changing room just before kick-off saying " it's ok lads...its not Barca...we have nothing to fear...its only Arsenal...you know the team that beat us last time we played here.. ! "....
radarman
FU ...its a good job Fergie is in charge of your lot tonight and not you....I can't imagine him walking round the changing room just before kick-off saying " it's ok lads...its not Barca...we have nothing to fear...its only Arsenal...you know the team that beat us last time we played here.. ! "....
radarman
Well Tomf if Talksport got it right - and in a 4-4-2, not pushing RvP out wide - I'd happily take that lineup!
GoonerLou
Well Tomf if Talksport got it right - and in a 4-4-2, not pushing RvP out wide - I'd happily take that lineup!
GoonerLou
radarman - FU also "asured" us that they'd attack us with two strikers!! What a manager he would be. lol
Rocky7
radarman - FU also "asured" us that they'd attack us with two strikers!! What a manager he would be. lol
Rocky7
Yea I got the lineup right. Hopefully the scoreline too...lol
gunnerkid107
Yea I got the lineup right. Hopefully the scoreline too...lol
gunnerkid107
Djourou starts which makes me feel more comfortable. RvP & Ade start upfront. No real surprises in the starting line up. Come on you Gunners !
prits
Djourou starts which makes me feel more comfortable. RvP & Ade start upfront. No real surprises in the starting line up. Come on you Gunners !
prits
Why're they saying it's 4-5-1 (RvP in LW) on TV...? I'm getting nervous...
GoonerLou
Why're they saying it's 4-5-1 (RvP in LW) on TV...? I'm getting nervous...
GoonerLou
Well unless we get three goals now it's all over.
Armory
Well unless we get three goals now it's all over.
Armory
Well at least we got 80 mins to put up a good fight.
GoonerLou
Well at least we got 80 mins to put up a good fight.
GoonerLou
Well well its all over now for sure, let down by defensive errors again.
Armory
Well well its all over now for sure, let down by defensive errors again.
Armory
It feels like we're giving them the due goals back - we should have lost 3-0 in the 1st leg.
GoonerLou
It feels like we're giving them the due goals back - we should have lost 3-0 in the 1st leg.
GoonerLou
Humiliating, absolutely humiliating.
jaelle
Humiliating, absolutely humiliating.
jaelle
ha ha ha ha...just the usual trophy haul again then....the womens title! lol
lillywhites101
ha ha ha ha...just the usual trophy haul again then....the womens title! lol
lillywhites101
Yeas littlewit101 but to have a chance to win it you have to be in it, not that poor relations down the seven sisters would know.
Armory
that's one more than your pathetic lot!
TPowell
Yeas littlewit101 but to have a chance to win it you have to be in it, not that poor relations down the seven sisters would know.
Armory
that's one more than your pathetic lot!
TPowell
We need more leadership at the moment, suppose that is always the danger with a young team.
Armory
We need more leadership at the moment, suppose that is always the danger with a young team.
Armory
It`s very quite in the Library lol!!
cockeril
Almunia for Engerland???
cockeril
It`s very quite in the Library lol!!
cockeril
Almunia for Engerland???
cockeril
oh gee, another idiot spuddie who can't spell.
jaelle
I think you guys should go for it and bring on Adebayor.....
cockeril
oh gee, another idiot spuddie who can't spell.
jaelle
I think you guys should go for it and bring on Adebayor.....
cockeril
Bring on Van Persil...
cockeril
Top ref tonight...luving it hahahaha!!!
cockeril
Bring on Van Persil...
cockeril
Top ref tonight...luving it hahahaha!!!
cockeril
"you have to be in it to win it" yeah that just about sums up the mighty gunners.....your making up the numbers and nothing more! enjoy the rest of the nite lads, i know i will LOL...at least you can rely on your womens team to bring in some silverware the last few years!
lillywhites101
0-3
cockeril
"you have to be in it to win it" yeah that just about sums up the mighty gunners.....your making up the numbers and nothing more! enjoy the rest of the nite lads, i know i will LOL...at least you can rely on your womens team to bring in some silverware the last few years!
lillywhites101
0-3
cockeril
FOR SALE!!!!! 57,000 FLAGS. HARDLY EVER BEEN WAVED. IN *****ER WE TRUST! THIS IS BRILLIANT YOU BUNCH OF MUGS.
n17 yid
FOR SALE!!!!! 57,000 FLAGS. HARDLY EVER BEEN WAVED. IN *****ER WE TRUST! THIS IS BRILLIANT YOU BUNCH OF MUGS.
n17 yid
Game over Amigos .......Unless you believe in miracles...
quietman
Game over Amigos .......Unless you believe in miracles...
quietman
He must bring on Adebayor and Van Persil after the break if they are to even get a consolation.....
cockeril
Spurs fans have a special reputation for a reason I see.
GoonerLou
He must bring on Adebayor and Van Persil after the break if they are to even get a consolation.....
cockeril
Spurs fans have a special reputation for a reason I see.
GoonerLou
Yes, Lou, a reputation for being obsessed with Arsenal and getting far more pleasure from our defeats than their own team winning.
jaelle
Ah come on gunnerlou, it's just that their team is such *****e they have to get their kicks from seeing Arsenal loose.
Armory
Yes, Lou, a reputation for being obsessed with Arsenal and getting far more pleasure from our defeats than their own team winning.
jaelle
Ah come on gunnerlou, it's just that their team is such *****e they have to get their kicks from seeing Arsenal loose.
Armory
Always amazes me how the brainless spuds show up on here.....
radarman
Come on Arsenal! We are in the ropes but not out yet. Anything can happen!
Gael-Force
In fact, I'm sure lowlife scum like cockeril and lillywhites, if given the choice of Arsenal never winning a trophy ever again and Spurs winning the league and the CL, they'd take the first choice no question.
jaelle
Always amazes me how the brainless spuds show up on here.....
radarman
Come on Arsenal! We are in the ropes but not out yet. Anything can happen!
Gael-Force
In fact, I'm sure lowlife scum like cockeril and lillywhites, if given the choice of Arsenal never winning a trophy ever again and Spurs winning the league and the CL, they'd take the first choice no question.
jaelle
Is there no end to the cheating of Christiano Ronaldo ???....He must be the most dishonest player ever to play in the premier league.....
radarman
Adebayor is coming on after the break and Van Persil too.....maybe too late though. We will see.
cockeril
Is there no end to the cheating of Christiano Ronaldo ???....He must be the most dishonest player ever to play in the premier league.....
radarman
Adebayor is coming on after the break and Van Persil too.....maybe too late though. We will see.
cockeril
We need the Gooners there to lift the team even more now. No matter what, as I said on the other article, we must do ourselves justice as a team.
GoonerLou
I think its all over
Tiny T
We need the Gooners there to lift the team even more now. No matter what, as I said on the other article, we must do ourselves justice as a team.
GoonerLou
I think its all over
Tiny T
Shame we're not playing the spuds, they could be 2-0 up at half-time and still lose 5-2 :) But seriously that was an abysmal performance..Man U deserve to go through
jubair
Still waiting for that "Magnificent" performance AW promised us!
SUX2BU
Shame we're not playing the spuds, they could be 2-0 up at half-time and still lose 5-2 :) But seriously that was an abysmal performance..Man U deserve to go through
jubair
Still waiting for that "Magnificent" performance AW promised us!
SUX2BU
OK guys let's stop feeding the troll, we focus on our team playing in a competition the troll's never entered. The margin of error is so small at this level that we get caught out in that 5% difference between us/Liverpool and ManU/Chelsea. Just my opinion anyway. I can see the Gooners who kept screaming for experienced players come back and make the same point this summer. I can't say anything against that repeated point either.
GoonerLou
OK guys let's stop feeding the troll, we focus on our team playing in a competition the troll's never entered. The margin of error is so small at this level that we get caught out in that 5% difference between us/Liverpool and ManU/Chelsea. Just my opinion anyway. I can see the Gooners who kept screaming for experienced players come back and make the same point this summer. I can't say anything against that repeated point either.
GoonerLou
Well we started brightly enough in terms of attack, but a few heads went down after their goal. Defensively we're still the same old story.
GoonerLou
Well we started brightly enough in terms of attack, but a few heads went down after their goal. Defensively we're still the same old story.
GoonerLou
where the feck is Adebayor and Van Persie??? No wonder you are losing your best players are not playing.
cockeril
where the feck is Adebayor and Van Persie??? No wonder you are losing your best players are not playing.
cockeril
Eboue on for Gibbs. Was the kid's confidence shot?
jaelle
Eboue on for Gibbs. Was the kid's confidence shot?
jaelle
Yeah Jaelle I hope the boy is tough enough to deal with the disappointment and guilt. I feel he won't be like Senderos.
GoonerLou
Yeah Jaelle I hope the boy is tough enough to deal with the disappointment and guilt. I feel he won't be like Senderos.
GoonerLou
Van persie comes on and his ist effort is a Cross come shot LOL!!!
cockeril
Van persie comes on and his ist effort is a Cross come shot LOL!!!
cockeril
It shows how poor our midfield has been and the service to the strikers that we have only on shot on target.
Armory
It shows how poor our midfield has been and the service to the strikers that we have only on shot on target.
Armory
Have to agree with Jim Beglin, only Nasri is showing any urgency and effort from our side
jubair
Have to agree with Jim Beglin, only Nasri is showing any urgency and effort from our side
jubair
oh dear oh dear oh dear.....Annihilation!!!
cockeril
oh dear oh dear oh dear.....Annihilation!!!
cockeril
Performance wise it's no better, and no worse, than the 1st leg really.
GoonerLou
Performance wise it's no better, and no worse, than the 1st leg really.
GoonerLou
63 mins before Van der Sar has had to make a save......
quietman
63 mins before Van der Sar has had to make a save......
quietman
Am I the only one doing the blasphemy of criticising Cesc and Theo?
GoonerLou
I don't know GoonerLou, sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and admit you were beaten by the better team, I cant see any team that can live with utd when they are in this mood.
Armory
Am I the only one doing the blasphemy of criticising Cesc and Theo?
GoonerLou
I don't know GoonerLou, sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and admit you were beaten by the better team, I cant see any team that can live with utd when they are in this mood.
Armory
I think the Arsenal team will know how Ricky Hatton felt like lying on the canvas at the weekend.
quietman
I think the Arsenal team will know how Ricky Hatton felt like lying on the canvas at the weekend.
quietman
Allan Green on 5 live is slaughtering all the Arsenal fans that are streaming out of the stadium.......Saying that they are not real fans...
quietman
Allan Green on 5 live is slaughtering all the Arsenal fans that are streaming out of the stadium.......Saying that they are not real fans...
quietman
cheating ref....
cockeril
cheating ref....
cockeril
Van Persie breaks a nail...stop the game.
cockeril
Van Persie breaks a nail...stop the game.
cockeril
True I'm not saying ManU don't deserve it, they do thoroughly. All I'm saying is that our performance fell far short of our potential in BOTH legs. The 1st one I put a small part of the blame on the boss playing people out of position. But this one at home, no excuse whatsoever.
GoonerLou
True I'm not saying ManU don't deserve it, they do thoroughly. All I'm saying is that our performance fell far short of our potential in BOTH legs. The 1st one I put a small part of the blame on the boss playing people out of position. But this one at home, no excuse whatsoever.
GoonerLou
Has Ade cut out his offside runs but added fouls to his game? lol
GoonerLou
Has Ade cut out his offside runs but added fouls to his game? lol
GoonerLou
at least were not only club in london to be embrarressed by united, face it, men against boys, game over after 11 min.
123spurs
at least were not only club in london to be embrarressed by united, face it, men against boys, game over after 11 min.
123spurs
Looks like the ref had a stinker that was never a red card.
Armory
Looks like the ref had a stinker that was never a red card.
Armory
Top top game!!!
cockeril
Top top game!!!
cockeril
waste of flags, hope they were free, an recycable
123spurs
waste of flags, hope they were free, an recycable
123spurs
Best team won....
quietman
Best team won....
quietman
123spurs.....ouch you are really hurting our feelings....not !!!
radarman
For someone supposedly better than Aaron Lennon, Theo Walcott isnt half hiding it well!!! You know youre ineffective when Bendtner keeps relacing you after 60mins.
HuddersfieldYiddo
For someone supposedly better than Aaron Lennon, Theo Walcott isnt half hiding it well!!! You know youre ineffective when Bendtner keeps relacing you after 60mins.
HuddersfieldYiddo
Yes, we get it HY, Lennon is a genius and Theo is 2nd division crap, we get it. Eff off!
jaelle
Who was the captain if Fabregas wasnt playing?
WhiteHartSpur
Yes, we get it HY, Lennon is a genius and Theo is 2nd division crap, we get it. Eff off!
jaelle
Who was the captain if Fabregas wasnt playing?
WhiteHartSpur
The best team won indeed. The only regret (I'm repeating what I'd said about the 1st leg) is just that we should at least have done ourselves justice. We ARE better than this.
GoonerLou
The best team won indeed. The only regret (I'm repeating what I'd said about the 1st leg) is just that we should at least have done ourselves justice. We ARE better than this.
GoonerLou
No back-bone.
HATEtheGOONERS
What a disgraceful performance. I just wanted to see some fight from the lads and I didnt see that. 3 pathetic shots on goal is what we got to see. ******** *****. I dont care abt the defensive mistakes early on, but I do care abt the response. It doesnt say a lot of good abt the future of this squad.
prits
That was a pathetic performance from start to finish. Over after just 15 minutes!! You were lucky to still be in the tie after your poor display in the 1st leg, but this performance AT HOME was worse imo.
Guyver
Its tough at this level, you know ? Why don't you spuds just go and phone up your grandads and ask them and they will tell what it was like in their day when Spurs played in the European Cup.......
radarman
Well Jaelle I actually think HY's right in saying we ineffective wasn't he lol? Theo doesn't have enough tricks to beat a top full-back like Evra who's also got the pace to match his. And I also wonder how many games in which Bendther has done more as a sub than the starting striker we have to see before he gets to start a big game. I do understand the experience/skills bit in picking RvP. But Ade's contribution is really limited when he doesn't work his socks off like he used to - and ironically work rate is something that Bendtner has been giving the team a lot. I honestly hope he gets to start against Chelsea, he deserves it.
GoonerLou
What a disgraceful performance. I just wanted to see some fight from the lads and I didnt see that. 3 pathetic shots on goal is what we got to see. ******** *****. I dont care abt the defensive mistakes early on, but I do care abt the response. It doesnt say a lot of good abt the future of this squad.
prits
That was a pathetic performance from start to finish. Over after just 15 minutes!! You were lucky to still be in the tie after your poor display in the 1st leg, but this performance AT HOME was worse imo.
Guyver
Its tough at this level, you know ? Why don't you spuds just go and phone up your grandads and ask them and they will tell what it was like in their day when Spurs played in the European Cup.......
radarman
Well Jaelle I actually think HY's right in saying we ineffective wasn't he lol? Theo doesn't have enough tricks to beat a top full-back like Evra who's also got the pace to match his. And I also wonder how many games in which Bendther has done more as a sub than the starting striker we have to see before he gets to start a big game. I do understand the experience/skills bit in picking RvP. But Ade's contribution is really limited when he doesn't work his socks off like he used to - and ironically work rate is something that Bendtner has been giving the team a lot. I honestly hope he gets to start against Chelsea, he deserves it.
GoonerLou
After the 1st goal you just seemed to....collapse lol
Guyver
After the 1st goal you just seemed to....collapse lol
Guyver
It hurts to say it but the performance from most of our players after Utd went a head was gutless, only one I can be complimentary about is Nasri. You fight for the right to play for this club, it is not given to you automaticly. The manager has to take most of the blame though, he picks the team and hope fully he'll get two or three exsperienced players in the summer, it is all well and good to go with youth but an hammering like this can destroy the confidence of a young player. Nasri was a good buy and so was AA. but we need more mature player/player's in defense.
Armory
It hurts to say it but the performance from most of our players after Utd went a head was gutless, only one I can be complimentary about is Nasri. You fight for the right to play for this club, it is not given to you automaticly. The manager has to take most of the blame though, he picks the team and hope fully he'll get two or three exsperienced players in the summer, it is all well and good to go with youth but an hammering like this can destroy the confidence of a young player. Nasri was a good buy and so was AA. but we need more mature player/player's in defense.
Armory
Good game. You guys played well.
WhiteHartSpur
Good game. You guys played well.
WhiteHartSpur
This squad has let us down in all the big games since 2006. The CL final in 2006, the CC final in 2007, the FA quarter final in 2008. FA Cup semi-final in 2009 and the CL semi-final in 2009. This is not a ******** pattern. There is something wrong with the mentality of this squad when it comes to big games.
prits
This squad has let us down in all the big games since 2006. The CL final in 2006, the CC final in 2007, the FA quarter final in 2008. FA Cup semi-final in 2009 and the CL semi-final in 2009. This is not a ******** pattern. There is something wrong with the mentality of this squad when it comes to big games.
prits
Exactly, Armory. What does this do to these young players to be once again humiliated in front of the world by Utd like this? It's infuriating for AW to constantly dismiss the importance of experience. Gallas' absence is a huge loss. If they'd had a couple of wise, experienced heads playing alongside them today they might well have marshalled a good response. Not saying they'd win but they'd put up a better fight than they did.
jaelle
Exactly, Armory. What does this do to these young players to be once again humiliated in front of the world by Utd like this? It's infuriating for AW to constantly dismiss the importance of experience. Gallas' absence is a huge loss. If they'd had a couple of wise, experienced heads playing alongside them today they might well have marshalled a good response. Not saying they'd win but they'd put up a better fight than they did.
jaelle
I'm just thinking of what's going on with right now in those kids' heads right now. I'm wondering about Cesc, esp.
jaelle
Don't forget CC Semi 2008,5-1 and all that.
HATEtheGOONERS
I'm just thinking of what's going on with right now in those kids' heads right now. I'm wondering about Cesc, esp.
jaelle
Don't forget CC Semi 2008,5-1 and all that.
HATEtheGOONERS
Adebayor and Van Persie looked like Messi and Henry tonight. They were superb.
WhiteHartSpur
Jaelle i was just responding to comments a few weeks ago on the Penguin/Walnutt debate, no offence. No offence intended but its another trophyless year, i think the cult of Arsene "the Pioneer of English football" Wenger is still going strong and he probably has another year or 2 of excuses, mostly under the headline of "potentially great". But are you really progressing under AW and how long has he got before the knifes start sharpening?
HuddersfieldYiddo
Adebayor and Van Persie looked like Messi and Henry tonight. They were superb.
WhiteHartSpur
Jaelle i was just responding to comments a few weeks ago on the Penguin/Walnutt debate, no offence. No offence intended but its another trophyless year, i think the cult of Arsene "the Pioneer of English football" Wenger is still going strong and he probably has another year or 2 of excuses, mostly under the headline of "potentially great". But are you really progressing under AW and how long has he got before the knifes start sharpening?
HuddersfieldYiddo
What a good old spanking that was! Anyway i don't know for you all but I am proud of this team. We just have to face the fact that right now United are a better team and we are the 4th best team. Wenger needs to do something about it. I think Gibbs is great but i've seen him slip a few times in these situations and this was maybe a couple of seasons too early. He will recover. But when your second-choice left back is an 18 year old midfielder, you gotta ask yourselves questions.
Gael-Force
What a good old spanking that was! Anyway i don't know for you all but I am proud of this team. We just have to face the fact that right now United are a better team and we are the 4th best team. Wenger needs to do something about it. I think Gibbs is great but i've seen him slip a few times in these situations and this was maybe a couple of seasons too early. He will recover. But when your second-choice left back is an 18 year old midfielder, you gotta ask yourselves questions.
Gael-Force
HY, do you know how it feels to be in the CL semis? Oh hold on, you've never qualified for the damn thing.. next year maybe... not!
Gael-Force
HY, do you know how it feels to be in the CL semis? Oh hold on, you've never qualified for the damn thing.. next year maybe... not!
Gael-Force
1963 we were in the European Cup semi-final. Somebody doesn't know their history. Not that we're bragging about losing in a semi final, but hey don't worry, next year right?
WhiteHartSpur
1963 we were in the European Cup semi-final. Somebody doesn't know their history. Not that we're bragging about losing in a semi final, but hey don't worry, next year right?
WhiteHartSpur
I'm not entirely sure if the youth project went a bit 'too far' bcos it was on track until Mad Jens, Gilberto, Flam and Hleb all left in the summer. It's the lack of equally experienced replacements that put too much burden on the young shoulders. Ever since Gallas got injured, this has been in my head: we had nobody to organise the defence and give instructions to the younger guys on the pitch. These two legs were screaming for someone like AA so that's one step in the right direction. At least with the CL secured we have some money to spend. I also suspect Arsene, being his frugal self, would again leave it late in the transfer window bcos he might want to do so after we get through the qualifiers (mid Aug?). We're in for another silly season...
GoonerLou
I'm not entirely sure if the youth project went a bit 'too far' bcos it was on track until Mad Jens, Gilberto, Flam and Hleb all left in the summer. It's the lack of equally experienced replacements that put too much burden on the young shoulders. Ever since Gallas got injured, this has been in my head: we had nobody to organise the defence and give instructions to the younger guys on the pitch. These two legs were screaming for someone like AA so that's one step in the right direction. At least with the CL secured we have some money to spend. I also suspect Arsene, being his frugal self, would again leave it late in the transfer window bcos he might want to do so after we get through the qualifiers (mid Aug?). We're in for another silly season...
GoonerLou
In Wenger's defence if he ever needed one, we should not forget that we have been outspent by teams such as Spurs, Aston Villa, Portsmouth, Boro, Newcastle... and yet we are consistently is the top 4. That's an achievement in itself. So I really don't understand how the man can be criticised. In my opinion, we didn't set out well against United at OT but hey who am i? I can't pretend i could have done better than he did... in fact i know i couldnt build a club like he's done for the past 12 years. The man is a genius.. still..
Gael-Force
Lool at all the spuds jacking off to an Arsenal defeat.
iceman10
Fabregas = Zidane based on tonights performance..
Guyver
In Wenger's defence if he ever needed one, we should not forget that we have been outspent by teams such as Spurs, Aston Villa, Portsmouth, Boro, Newcastle... and yet we are consistently is the top 4. That's an achievement in itself. So I really don't understand how the man can be criticised. In my opinion, we didn't set out well against United at OT but hey who am i? I can't pretend i could have done better than he did... in fact i know i couldnt build a club like he's done for the past 12 years. The man is a genius.. still..
Gael-Force
Lool at all the spuds jacking off to an Arsenal defeat.
iceman10
Fabregas = Zidane based on tonights performance..
Guyver
HY, fine, I for one have never made any great claims about Theo v. Lennon. Frankly I think Theo's got a lot to improve on. As for the rest, yes, I get it, but why is it that we constantly get battered with this "4 years without a trophy" stuff while Liverpool haven't been winning anything either lately, with the same manager, yet that never gets thrown in their faces? That said, right now's not the right time for me to think clearly about AW and his neverending youth project.
jaelle
kids all grown up or just another wenger myth, coe on now this is final straw for wenger he shud do the right thing an step down, after toma game an villreal, all high an might in yer tier of CL, come u againsy the the top tier an ye fail, pool in league fa cup against semi final. an now tonight,
123spurs
kids all grown up or just another wenger myth, coe on now this is final straw for wenger he shud do the right thing an step down, after toma game an villreal, all high an might in yer tier of CL, come u againsy the the top tier an ye fail, pool in league fa cup against semi final. an now tonight,
123spurs
HY, fine, I for one have never made any great claims about Theo v. Lennon. Frankly I think Theo's got a lot to improve on. As for the rest, yes, I get it, but why is it that we constantly get battered with this "4 years without a trophy" stuff while Liverpool haven't been winning anything either lately, with the same manager, yet that never gets thrown in their faces? That said, right now's not the right time for me to think clearly about AW and his neverending youth project.
jaelle
"1963 we were in the European Cup semi-final" HAHAHAHAHAHA!
iceman10
"1963 we were in the European Cup semi-final" HAHAHAHAHAHA!
iceman10
"Look at all the spuds jacking off to an Arsenal defeat. " -- true, not like they have much joy supporting their own team after all.
jaelle
Gael-Force, "we have been outspent by teams such as Spurs, Aston Villa, Portsmouth, Boro" not if you factor in wages...
Guyver
"Look at all the spuds jacking off to an Arsenal defeat. " -- true, not like they have much joy supporting their own team after all.
jaelle
Gael-Force, "we have been outspent by teams such as Spurs, Aston Villa, Portsmouth, Boro" not if you factor in wages...
Guyver
There is no hiding it....we were rubbish, just like in the 1st leg and just like the Cup semi against Chelsea. Have we got a lot of gifted players who just choke on the big occassion ? Or are they just not gifted enough ? We can point to Gallas , Clichey, Arshavin, Eduardo not being available but that would be wrong. That was a strong line up tonight and how many shots on goal did we have ? Last season we went out with a bang against Liverpool but this was a pathetic whimper.I can take defeat with no problem because I have been a gooner for over 40 years and I have seen bucket loads but what makes me sick is players who have no guts. If I was Arsenal captain tonight I would have personally gone over and given RVP something to be holding his gob for.With 15 mins left this ***** is rolling around on the floor holding his face. That just about sums it up for me.
radarman
There is no hiding it....we were rubbish, just like in the 1st leg and just like the Cup semi against Chelsea. Have we got a lot of gifted players who just choke on the big occassion ? Or are they just not gifted enough ? We can point to Gallas , Clichey, Arshavin, Eduardo not being available but that would be wrong. That was a strong line up tonight and how many shots on goal did we have ? Last season we went out with a bang against Liverpool but this was a pathetic whimper.I can take defeat with no problem because I have been a gooner for over 40 years and I have seen bucket loads but what makes me sick is players who have no guts. If I was Arsenal captain tonight I would have personally gone over and given RVP something to be holding his gob for.With 15 mins left this ***** is rolling around on the floor holding his face. That just about sums it up for me.
radarman
WHS... lol.. 1963? Nooooo really.... are you serious? the good old days heh... Sorry but football has moved on mate.. you are light years away from ever gracing the true european stage... Just sit back and relax in the 'Europa' league OK?
Gael-Force
Chin up boys, it was painful, but lets not forget we'v had pastings from united before and come back the stronger for it remember 6-1 at old trafford in 2001, next season we won the league at their place. gutted tonight, but lets not loose our bottle and call for the managers head or the usually cliches that will be trotted out by half wit pundits whov played in the 2nd division for two seasons
operationmindcrime
Well, not much of a surprise there, was it? 1st goal was pure bad luck, second was a foul given away still wandering how we'd gotten into that position and then that was that. Game over. Now, I'd fancy TH14 to get the coveted medal, although i'd like Hleb to lose it, so.... My hopes are with Barcelona knocking Chelsea out on their own ground and I still like Henry more than I detest Hleb, the sad ****. We were soundly beaten by a better team who, on the bench, had Berbatov, Tevez, Giggs, Scholes etc. If you compare just the benches, it really says it all.
PTGunner
WHS... lol.. 1963? Nooooo really.... are you serious? the good old days heh... Sorry but football has moved on mate.. you are light years away from ever gracing the true european stage... Just sit back and relax in the 'Europa' league OK?
Gael-Force
Chin up boys, it was painful, but lets not forget we'v had pastings from united before and come back the stronger for it remember 6-1 at old trafford in 2001, next season we won the league at their place. gutted tonight, but lets not loose our bottle and call for the managers head or the usually cliches that will be trotted out by half wit pundits whov played in the 2nd division for two seasons
operationmindcrime
Well, not much of a surprise there, was it? 1st goal was pure bad luck, second was a foul given away still wandering how we'd gotten into that position and then that was that. Game over. Now, I'd fancy TH14 to get the coveted medal, although i'd like Hleb to lose it, so.... My hopes are with Barcelona knocking Chelsea out on their own ground and I still like Henry more than I detest Hleb, the sad ****. We were soundly beaten by a better team who, on the bench, had Berbatov, Tevez, Giggs, Scholes etc. If you compare just the benches, it really says it all.
PTGunner
radarman... spot on.
Gael-Force
radarman... spot on.
Gael-Force
oh the so called might gunners fail again, as the sign said, KEEP THE FAITH, guys im sure we will hear the kids excues again....yawnnnnnn, its wenger chooses to buy an play these youngsters in sead of buyin proven quailty
123spurs
oh the so called might gunners fail again, as the sign said, KEEP THE FAITH, guys im sure we will hear the kids excues again....yawnnnnnn, its wenger chooses to buy an play these youngsters in sead of buyin proven quailty
123spurs
The Invincibles were a team of artists but also fighters. This team looks pampered to me. No fight... just technique. In fairness, Ronaldo is such a decisive player... he almost alwas delivers like Gerrard.. I know he does his prima donna stuff as well but you gotta give it to the guy. It can't just be talent, his determination, attitude, will-to-win is just great to watch.. I want to see him against Messi for football's sake.
Gael-Force
The Invincibles were a team of artists but also fighters. This team looks pampered to me. No fight... just technique. In fairness, Ronaldo is such a decisive player... he almost alwas delivers like Gerrard.. I know he does his prima donna stuff as well but you gotta give it to the guy. It can't just be talent, his determination, attitude, will-to-win is just great to watch.. I want to see him against Messi for football's sake.
Gael-Force
radarman ...get over yourself, if as you say you'v been watching arsenal for 40 years, you will know that its only the 2nd time they'v been this deep into the european cup. nostalgia is a disease, as much as we'd like to think, our back four of adams dixon bould and winterburn would have struggled against ronadlo....Thats a fact Those teams never got a sniff in the champions league and here you are saying that palyers arent good enough when the loose a semifinal. Sure they performed poorly but dont kid yourslef that the times of adams etc were all that great,, They didnt when jack all for years as welll......and they used to get ***** drunk all the time until wenger came and sorted them out
operationmindcrime
radarman ...get over yourself, if as you say you'v been watching arsenal for 40 years, you will know that its only the 2nd time they'v been this deep into the european cup. nostalgia is a disease, as much as we'd like to think, our back four of adams dixon bould and winterburn would have struggled against ronadlo....Thats a fact Those teams never got a sniff in the champions league and here you are saying that palyers arent good enough when the loose a semifinal. Sure they performed poorly but dont kid yourslef that the times of adams etc were all that great,, They didnt when jack all for years as welll......and they used to get ***** drunk all the time until wenger came and sorted them out
operationmindcrime
all banter an jokes aside now, agree with radarman sumed it up,
123spurs
Exactly Radarman. I've always been well aware of the gap between us and ManU/Chelsea. I wasn't expecting to go through if I'm honest. That's why I said in the other pre-match piece what I wanted to see was for both the team and the home crowd to do us justice. We were disappointing all-round. With the financial constraints of the stadium we built a young team, yes. But the boss lost 4 experienced players and got 2.5 in (counting AA as half as he came late and is cup-tied in the CL). That's the risk he reckoned was worth taking. He'll sort it out now. As always, we believe in him and he'll fix things. I never had any doubt about that and I won't start having any now.
GoonerLou
I know its difficult to take but lets not lose our bottle like other jongistic fans tend to do If we'r ever going to win the champions league, it will be with wenger Sack him tomorow and trust me arsenal will be like newcastle
operationmindcrime
all banter an jokes aside now, agree with radarman sumed it up,
123spurs
Exactly Radarman. I've always been well aware of the gap between us and ManU/Chelsea. I wasn't expecting to go through if I'm honest. That's why I said in the other pre-match piece what I wanted to see was for both the team and the home crowd to do us justice. We were disappointing all-round. With the financial constraints of the stadium we built a young team, yes. But the boss lost 4 experienced players and got 2.5 in (counting AA as half as he came late and is cup-tied in the CL). That's the risk he reckoned was worth taking. He'll sort it out now. As always, we believe in him and he'll fix things. I never had any doubt about that and I won't start having any now.
GoonerLou
I know its difficult to take but lets not lose our bottle like other jongistic fans tend to do If we'r ever going to win the champions league, it will be with wenger Sack him tomorow and trust me arsenal will be like newcastle
operationmindcrime
Thankyou GF....I think its quite plain that AW has more work to do than he realises....
radarman
Thankyou GF....I think its quite plain that AW has more work to do than he realises....
radarman
Come on! Sacking Wenger?!? That is exactly why smaller teams will be smaller teams. They keep sacrificing managers to the gods of football and then wonder "why is it that the player we paid so much for doesn't fit into every second manager's team that comes along?" You know who you are, spuds!
PTGunner
Come on! Sacking Wenger?!? That is exactly why smaller teams will be smaller teams. They keep sacrificing managers to the gods of football and then wonder "why is it that the player we paid so much for doesn't fit into every second manager's team that comes along?" You know who you are, spuds!
PTGunner
Walcott was superb.
WhiteHartSpur
oh dear.
pompeycarpet
Walcott was superb.
WhiteHartSpur
oh dear.
pompeycarpet
PTGunner, we had AA, dudu, rosicky, gallas all out that would make our bench great! arsenal just broke my heart again, but i wouldnt stop loving you arsenal
Gooner SA
PTGunner, we had AA, dudu, rosicky, gallas all out that would make our bench great! arsenal just broke my heart again, but i wouldnt stop loving you arsenal
Gooner SA
I believe we lost because we were not adventurous enough at OT. We should have been more positive. Proud to be a gooner. One thing is for sure, we can only improve but one year on the learning curve won't be enough
Gael-Force
I believe we lost because we were not adventurous enough at OT. We should have been more positive. Proud to be a gooner. One thing is for sure, we can only improve but one year on the learning curve won't be enough
Gael-Force
operationmindcrime....If my memory serves me correctly when we won the league in 89 and 91 , English teams were still banned in Europe.Perhaps thats why they never got a sniff ? As as for not winning jack-all for years ?..whats that all about ?...Tony Adams won Trophies in 87,89.91,93,94....and was in a few other losing finals aswell. I am not one of those who are saying Wenger out etc but even he must be asking himself some searching questions.
radarman
operationmindcrime....If my memory serves me correctly when we won the league in 89 and 91 , English teams were still banned in Europe.Perhaps thats why they never got a sniff ? As as for not winning jack-all for years ?..whats that all about ?...Tony Adams won Trophies in 87,89.91,93,94....and was in a few other losing finals aswell. I am not one of those who are saying Wenger out etc but even he must be asking himself some searching questions.
radarman
I also think that maybe AW will be looking at what might have been, had he tempered his "gems" with some steel. The one I dislike the most, because he can't seem to bother is Diaby (did't play today, but was apalling in the 1st leg) Adebayor should really be benched, if he stays. If he goes, he won't be missed. There are some more kids coming through the ranks, like Simpson (21 this year), Emanuel-Thomas, Barazite, all 19 this year. They have to come through. And I don't think Wenger is ever going to break bank. That would be counter-nature. Anyway would you be confortable seeing us buying a central defender for 15m? We just have to accept that we concede goals. So, let's concentrate on outscoring the opposition. ALWAYS!
PTGunner
I also think that maybe AW will be looking at what might have been, had he tempered his "gems" with some steel. The one I dislike the most, because he can't seem to bother is Diaby (did't play today, but was apalling in the 1st leg) Adebayor should really be benched, if he stays. If he goes, he won't be missed. There are some more kids coming through the ranks, like Simpson (21 this year), Emanuel-Thomas, Barazite, all 19 this year. They have to come through. And I don't think Wenger is ever going to break bank. That would be counter-nature. Anyway would you be confortable seeing us buying a central defender for 15m? We just have to accept that we concede goals. So, let's concentrate on outscoring the opposition. ALWAYS!
PTGunner
Actually when we won the league in 91, we were the first english team to be allowed back in the European Cup, unfortunatley we got embarassed by Benfica pretty early on, remember Sergei Yuran..
jubair
Actually when we won the league in 91, we were the first english team to be allowed back in the European Cup, unfortunatley we got embarassed by Benfica pretty early on, remember Sergei Yuran..
jubair
As you can be sure of the sun rising in the east there are three things we can be sure of this summer. 1) Arsene out brigade will be in full swing when the manager doe's not sign any player on the day the window opens again. 2) The press will do it's damnest to sell all our players behind the managers back. 3) And the spuds will start in August claiming "this is the year we'll break in to the top four".
Armory
look at the results from both teams against porto. and you can see that the only difference gap wise is that once again we suffered from the loss of key players at crucial times , take out rio and evra from their team and they would have had difficulties, rvp was clearly unfit, up front we missed ashavin n eduardo as well, they couldnt battle because the ref was blowing his whistle for evry challenge and i think that song and rvp and nasri were all worried about the yellow card hanging over them, which took some of the fight out of them
fran merida
As you can be sure of the sun rising in the east there are three things we can be sure of this summer. 1) Arsene out brigade will be in full swing when the manager doe's not sign any player on the day the window opens again. 2) The press will do it's damnest to sell all our players behind the managers back. 3) And the spuds will start in August claiming "this is the year we'll break in to the top four".
Armory
look at the results from both teams against porto. and you can see that the only difference gap wise is that once again we suffered from the loss of key players at crucial times , take out rio and evra from their team and they would have had difficulties, rvp was clearly unfit, up front we missed ashavin n eduardo as well, they couldnt battle because the ref was blowing his whistle for evry challenge and i think that song and rvp and nasri were all worried about the yellow card hanging over them, which took some of the fight out of them
fran merida
GF I agree we lost 1/2 of it at OT. And 1/2 of the reason was having too many players out and out of position. But that's spilt milk now. I also keep wondering how long this learning curve is gonna be. Buying Nasri and AA were two good steps taken in the right direction in replacing Hleb and Rosicky (jury's still out on Silvestre but he's no Gallas). Almunia's been good by and large, he deserves his place/chance as Jens' replacement at least. That leaves the DM question - Den and Song have performed well enough in different periods this season but haven't provided me personally with a definitive answer. Above all the skills and tricks, we need a couple of tough nuts who have the guts and heart and quality to play in big games.
GoonerLou
GF I agree we lost 1/2 of it at OT. And 1/2 of the reason was having too many players out and out of position. But that's spilt milk now. I also keep wondering how long this learning curve is gonna be. Buying Nasri and AA were two good steps taken in the right direction in replacing Hleb and Rosicky (jury's still out on Silvestre but he's no Gallas). Almunia's been good by and large, he deserves his place/chance as Jens' replacement at least. That leaves the DM question - Den and Song have performed well enough in different periods this season but haven't provided me personally with a definitive answer. Above all the skills and tricks, we need a couple of tough nuts who have the guts and heart and quality to play in big games.
GoonerLou
fran merida There was nothing wrong with Nasri's fight so I can't see how we could use that excuse for the other two. As for the injuries, well that's why you have a squad, utd squad is simply better and that's were Wenger has to improve in the summer. But as some one said before, if I had been told in November that we would secure our champions league spot and be in two semi finals in May I would have called for the ambulance.
Armory
fran merida There was nothing wrong with Nasri's fight so I can't see how we could use that excuse for the other two. As for the injuries, well that's why you have a squad, utd squad is simply better and that's were Wenger has to improve in the summer. But as some one said before, if I had been told in November that we would secure our champions league spot and be in two semi finals in May I would have called for the ambulance.
Armory
radarman, sure they won the leagues in those years, but now the premier league boasts the best players in the world, at that time the were only british players in the leagues, and lets face it the european cup was a glorified community sheild as there were only a couple of decent teams in it. Now the competition is much harder in the premier league, and quite frankly those players wouldnt have got a sniff... i mean seriously the cup winners cup in 94, id rather be in the 2nd round of the champs league. This is where the BEST in WORLD Play. and sure we came up short, and united chelsea possibly liverpool are better then us at this moment, but this nostalgic nonsense about old players has to stop. playing in the premier league now means your up against the best players from around the world, not britain as it was back then, and lets face it, at international level, british teams always struggled
operationmindcrime
GoonerLou...your last sentance sums it all up for me....
radarman
radarman, sure they won the leagues in those years, but now the premier league boasts the best players in the world, at that time the were only british players in the leagues, and lets face it the european cup was a glorified community sheild as there were only a couple of decent teams in it. Now the competition is much harder in the premier league, and quite frankly those players wouldnt have got a sniff... i mean seriously the cup winners cup in 94, id rather be in the 2nd round of the champs league. This is where the BEST in WORLD Play. and sure we came up short, and united chelsea possibly liverpool are better then us at this moment, but this nostalgic nonsense about old players has to stop. playing in the premier league now means your up against the best players from around the world, not britain as it was back then, and lets face it, at international level, british teams always struggled
operationmindcrime
GoonerLou...your last sentance sums it all up for me....
radarman
and for your information, tony adams etc played the majority of their careers back when english teams were allowed and they would struggle to beat locomotive mosko or teams like athens etc okay we havent won for 4 years but in the last four years, we have been in the final, the semi final and quarter final of the champs league whereas before they would struggle to make it out of the group stages, even durring when vieira and henry were in their pomp...........its all well and good trotting out halfwit comments like, 'in 40 years of supporting arsneal i havent seen such rubbish' is utter bullocks because ofcourse you have
operationmindcrime
and for your information, tony adams etc played the majority of their careers back when english teams were allowed and they would struggle to beat locomotive mosko or teams like athens etc okay we havent won for 4 years but in the last four years, we have been in the final, the semi final and quarter final of the champs league whereas before they would struggle to make it out of the group stages, even durring when vieira and henry were in their pomp...........its all well and good trotting out halfwit comments like, 'in 40 years of supporting arsneal i havent seen such rubbish' is utter bullocks because ofcourse you have
operationmindcrime
I just feel that when every time arsenal lose, the 'little englander' brigade shows up talking absolute gob*****e. Its sport, sometimes it doesnt work out, watching the first 7 minutes, you could really say that the boys were up for it. They get two lucky breaks (one a moment of brilliance from ronaldo) and effectively the game is over. Its not because they dont have passion or they arent good enough
operationmindcrime
I just feel that when every time arsenal lose, the 'little englander' brigade shows up talking absolute gob*****e. Its sport, sometimes it doesnt work out, watching the first 7 minutes, you could really say that the boys were up for it. They get two lucky breaks (one a moment of brilliance from ronaldo) and effectively the game is over. Its not because they dont have passion or they arent good enough
operationmindcrime
Gooner SA, if we had any of those fit/available, they wouldn't be on the bench either. AA for Theo, Dudu for Van Persie, Gallas for Djourou and who knows if Rosicky can even kick a ball straight nowadays? I really love The Arsenal and all it stands for, especially being from Portugal, where we have a crooked league filled with corruption, scandals and the works... I've been on the receiving end of a lot of stick, living in Oporto and everything, and will never, ever trade these colours for any other. Passionate about the Arsenal and I think we are due some luck injury wise and "tranfer wise" as well. Won't ever say the spuds motto "Next year...." and so on, because I think, THIS year we have come over what was expected from us, with all the problems with the capintancy and with team spirit at times. We'll go from strength to strength, and heartbreak also builds team spirit. I hope it does. VICTORY THROUGH HARMONY
PTGunner
and the ******** arrogance of people leaving at half time mumbling to themselves, that in my time the guys would have never given up like that.....its as if arsenals history is awash with champions league semi final appearances.......if it iwas man united or liverppool then i would have understood why fans might be so unforgiving because they are used it over the years. But arsenal fans arent, they were never a good side before wenger came, sure they won the league here and there, but no one outside of england had heard of arsenal so a bit of perspective for everyone here i feel
operationmindcrime
Gooner SA, if we had any of those fit/available, they wouldn't be on the bench either. AA for Theo, Dudu for Van Persie, Gallas for Djourou and who knows if Rosicky can even kick a ball straight nowadays? I really love The Arsenal and all it stands for, especially being from Portugal, where we have a crooked league filled with corruption, scandals and the works... I've been on the receiving end of a lot of stick, living in Oporto and everything, and will never, ever trade these colours for any other. Passionate about the Arsenal and I think we are due some luck injury wise and "tranfer wise" as well. Won't ever say the spuds motto "Next year...." and so on, because I think, THIS year we have come over what was expected from us, with all the problems with the capintancy and with team spirit at times. We'll go from strength to strength, and heartbreak also builds team spirit. I hope it does. VICTORY THROUGH HARMONY
PTGunner
and the ******** arrogance of people leaving at half time mumbling to themselves, that in my time the guys would have never given up like that.....its as if arsenals history is awash with champions league semi final appearances.......if it iwas man united or liverppool then i would have understood why fans might be so unforgiving because they are used it over the years. But arsenal fans arent, they were never a good side before wenger came, sure they won the league here and there, but no one outside of england had heard of arsenal so a bit of perspective for everyone here i feel
operationmindcrime
well all i can say is that from my position in the stadium it wasnt totally clear who was doing what,it just seems there wasnt enough battles being won,i would have to look at a replay to see for sure,but i doubt that i will be watching it again.....we committed suicide pure and simple, we only needed one goal to tie the game,and to go all out attack at the begining was commendable but naive,as i feel it would have been better to just keep it tight, for the first goal it looked like it was two against two at the back,i may be wrong there but where was the cover
fran merida
well all i can say is that from my position in the stadium it wasnt totally clear who was doing what,it just seems there wasnt enough battles being won,i would have to look at a replay to see for sure,but i doubt that i will be watching it again.....we committed suicide pure and simple, we only needed one goal to tie the game,and to go all out attack at the begining was commendable but naive,as i feel it would have been better to just keep it tight, for the first goal it looked like it was two against two at the back,i may be wrong there but where was the cover
fran merida
Actually, operationmindcrime, FCPorto's biggest cup in their cupboard is a cup they got from beating Arsenal in the days of old, and they even imprinted that win in the sidewalk around their new stadium. And, only if, they had closed down Ronaldo in Oporto, who knows? We could have faced them, and so on and so on......
PTGunner
Ok I've taken a deep breath, this is what I'd like to add: given the terrible start to the season, if someone told me in Oct-Nov that we'd have no chance in the league, but we would again qualify for the CL, reach the semi-finals in both FAC and CL and see a couple of youngsters come through, I would've taken it gladly, given the shortage in reinforcements in summer. The season's just like this tie, it was a tough ask from the start but we did what we could in the circumstances though we indeed could've done better.
GoonerLou
Ok I've taken a deep breath, this is what I'd like to add: given the terrible start to the season, if someone told me in Oct-Nov that we'd have no chance in the league, but we would again qualify for the CL, reach the semi-finals in both FAC and CL and see a couple of youngsters come through, I would've taken it gladly, given the shortage in reinforcements in summer. The season's just like this tie, it was a tough ask from the start but we did what we could in the circumstances though we indeed could've done better.
GoonerLou
Actually, operationmindcrime, FCPorto's biggest cup in their cupboard is a cup they got from beating Arsenal in the days of old, and they even imprinted that win in the sidewalk around their new stadium. And, only if, they had closed down Ronaldo in Oporto, who knows? We could have faced them, and so on and so on......
PTGunner
Just came back from the game. I saw Barcelona thrash Real Madrid away from home on Saturday. The one thing that struck me was workrate - Messi, Henry and Etoo were all fighting to win back possession when it was lost, Messi especially fighting like mad. Lionel Messi, the best player in the world doing that!! And that's what United did and we didn't do. I'm sorry but the youth project will be fun and we'll get some great moments but I can't honestly see us winning anything in the next few years, so we may as well get used to it. I can't believe how much Wenger has allowed standards to drop at Arsenal. A few seasons back we had Henry, Gilberto, Hleb, Rosicky, Fabregas and van Persie and were close to being a special team with a couple of additions. Instead of that we've gone the other way into decline!
Gooner_Vin
operationmindcrime...are you out of your mind ??....are you saying that Tony Adams, Anders Limpar, David Rocastle , Micheal Thomas, David O Leary, Paul Merson, Ray Parlour, Ian Wright, David Seaman, John Lukic to name but a few would not have got a sniff ??...There is no doubt there is far more quality about now and the standard is much higher......but please don't ever be under the delusion that we NEVER had quality before AW came to North London.You have painted a picture of Arsenal players pre-Wenger of being a load of poor quality drunks who couldn't hack in the top flight and would not have been able to now.Don't kid yourself....
radarman
Just came back from the game. I saw Barcelona thrash Real Madrid away from home on Saturday. The one thing that struck me was workrate - Messi, Henry and Etoo were all fighting to win back possession when it was lost, Messi especially fighting like mad. Lionel Messi, the best player in the world doing that!! And that's what United did and we didn't do. I'm sorry but the youth project will be fun and we'll get some great moments but I can't honestly see us winning anything in the next few years, so we may as well get used to it. I can't believe how much Wenger has allowed standards to drop at Arsenal. A few seasons back we had Henry, Gilberto, Hleb, Rosicky, Fabregas and van Persie and were close to being a special team with a couple of additions. Instead of that we've gone the other way into decline!
Gooner_Vin
operationmindcrime...are you out of your mind ??....are you saying that Tony Adams, Anders Limpar, David Rocastle , Micheal Thomas, David O Leary, Paul Merson, Ray Parlour, Ian Wright, David Seaman, John Lukic to name but a few would not have got a sniff ??...There is no doubt there is far more quality about now and the standard is much higher......but please don't ever be under the delusion that we NEVER had quality before AW came to North London.You have painted a picture of Arsenal players pre-Wenger of being a load of poor quality drunks who couldn't hack in the top flight and would not have been able to now.Don't kid yourself....
radarman
operationmindcrime...this is what is I said. " I can take defeat with no problem because I have been a gooner for over 40 years and I have seen bucket loads but what makes me sick is players who have no guts.".......a half wit is someone who doesn't read comments properly....
radarman
operationmindcrime...this is what is I said. " I can take defeat with no problem because I have been a gooner for over 40 years and I have seen bucket loads but what makes me sick is players who have no guts.".......a half wit is someone who doesn't read comments properly....
radarman
There's a fair bit of over reaction here. The simple truth is United are a better side than we are,much better and they stopped us playing over two legs very well. They knew how tostop us and did it excellently. We were unfortunate for the first goal because Gibbs slipped, you can't really legislate for that. It feels churlish having a pop at Almunia after the first leg, but at 32 he really should cut out these attempts at Hollywood saves and again the suspicion is backthat he saves his mistakes for these big games. I haven't seen it back yet, but I never thought that was a penalty and I'ma bit gutted for Darren Flecther who does not deserve to miss the final. When you see a "professional" like Ronaldo, awesome player that he is,in the 95th minute of a game United have won at ease tomake the CL Final and his biggest concern was getting Sagna booked. A player like Jagielka crumples on the turf and misses the biggest game of his career with a horrible injury yet Ronaldo doesn't, that's when you know the worldis a very unfair place. Still, no bitching, no moaning,no calling for the manager's head, we were beaten by the best tonight and in the first leg and I have no illusions that our players weren't trying or any other such imagined conceptions. The two early goals just killed it and United were much the better side over 180 mins.
Little Dutch
There's a fair bit of over reaction here. The simple truth is United are a better side than we are,much better and they stopped us playing over two legs very well. They knew how tostop us and did it excellently. We were unfortunate for the first goal because Gibbs slipped, you can't really legislate for that. It feels churlish having a pop at Almunia after the first leg, but at 32 he really should cut out these attempts at Hollywood saves and again the suspicion is backthat he saves his mistakes for these big games. I haven't seen it back yet, but I never thought that was a penalty and I'ma bit gutted for Darren Flecther who does not deserve to miss the final. When you see a "professional" like Ronaldo, awesome player that he is,in the 95th minute of a game United have won at ease tomake the CL Final and his biggest concern was getting Sagna booked. A player like Jagielka crumples on the turf and misses the biggest game of his career with a horrible injury yet Ronaldo doesn't, that's when you know the worldis a very unfair place. Still, no bitching, no moaning,no calling for the manager's head, we were beaten by the best tonight and in the first leg and I have no illusions that our players weren't trying or any other such imagined conceptions. The two early goals just killed it and United were much the better side over 180 mins.
Little Dutch
radarman....yes i honestly feel that those teams in 80s and 90s were great but the real litmus test came in the champions league where they failed miserably..its not an opinion.. its a fact. The only made the quarter final once. Now the quarter final is par for th course. and also i think what tonight demonstrates is how important gallas is for arsenal. youv just listed all the players, but none of them got a sniff at europe's top competition.
operationmindcrime
radarman....yes i honestly feel that those teams in 80s and 90s were great but the real litmus test came in the champions league where they failed miserably..its not an opinion.. its a fact. The only made the quarter final once. Now the quarter final is par for th course. and also i think what tonight demonstrates is how important gallas is for arsenal. youv just listed all the players, but none of them got a sniff at europe's top competition.
operationmindcrime
and i did read your posts, and they are the same old guff, the same tired old cliches that everyone rings out in the aftermath of a defeat......hence the word 'half wit' comprende!!
operationmindcrime
and i did read your posts, and they are the same old guff, the same tired old cliches that everyone rings out in the aftermath of a defeat......hence the word 'half wit' comprende!!
operationmindcrime
Also there was a distinct difference in the supporters tonight. Those that walked out after the third goal are just really ***** poor supporters and ***** poor human beings. I'dlike to see people like that put in real situations of adversity to toughen them up a bit.I envy how comfortable their lives must have been to this point to behave like such babies. On the other hand, I make no apoloogies for being amongst the coupleof thousand who stayed behind to applaud United off, their players recognised it too and that's the sort of class I want associated with my club's supporters, not the pathetic babies that headed for the exit on 60 minutes.
Little Dutch
Also there was a distinct difference in the supporters tonight. Those that walked out after the third goal are just really ***** poor supporters and ***** poor human beings. I'dlike to see people like that put in real situations of adversity to toughen them up a bit.I envy how comfortable their lives must have been to this point to behave like such babies. On the other hand, I make no apoloogies for being amongst the coupleof thousand who stayed behind to applaud United off, their players recognised it too and that's the sort of class I want associated with my club's supporters, not the pathetic babies that headed for the exit on 60 minutes.
Little Dutch
couldnt agree with you more LD,,, Credit to united, they were different class. We'll bounce back, we'v had worse pastings from united in the past the 6-1 at old trafford and the very next season we came back and won the title at their place. lets just hope these crybabies dont end up setting the agenda for arsenal, because if they do, then i'm afraid we'l become the newcastle or leeds of london
operationmindcrime
couldnt agree with you more LD,,, Credit to united, they were different class. We'll bounce back, we'v had worse pastings from united in the past the 6-1 at old trafford and the very next season we came back and won the title at their place. lets just hope these crybabies dont end up setting the agenda for arsenal, because if they do, then i'm afraid we'l become the newcastle or leeds of london
operationmindcrime
As a united fan, my view of arsenal is that you've been ridiculously unlucky with injuries this season (apart from liverpool all of the top 4 have). I can't really think of any squad that could have done better against us with such a makeshift back four, Your players are young and get frustrated very quickly when things dont go your way but they will grow out of it. If you get rid of adebayor and RvP and bring in a couple of qulity signings withbetter work rates and injury records than those two, you'll be laughing! We had a very similar game against milan where our young team didn't turn up on the night and we had some bad luck against a very good team - but all the media and other fans wanted to do was celebrate the fact that we got outclassed. It was hard to take, but that was the catalyst the boys needed to become men. Since then, united have never again let themselves down in europe when it mattered. Easy for me to say, but chin up boys!
tuscan3000
As a united fan, my view of arsenal is that you've been ridiculously unlucky with injuries this season (apart from liverpool all of the top 4 have). I can't really think of any squad that could have done better against us with such a makeshift back four, Your players are young and get frustrated very quickly when things dont go your way but they will grow out of it. If you get rid of adebayor and RvP and bring in a couple of qulity signings withbetter work rates and injury records than those two, you'll be laughing! We had a very similar game against milan where our young team didn't turn up on the night and we had some bad luck against a very good team - but all the media and other fans wanted to do was celebrate the fact that we got outclassed. It was hard to take, but that was the catalyst the boys needed to become men. Since then, united have never again let themselves down in europe when it mattered. Easy for me to say, but chin up boys!
tuscan3000
They are a much better side, in fact, there looks to be a gulf in class between us right now. They got their tactics right by nullifying our strength (excelllent passing of the ball to create space/chances) and pouncing on our weakness (caving under pressure of attacks). We were outclassed tonight and I can't see us making up the difference for a few years yet, I think that's what hurts the most.
Gooner_Vin
They are a much better side, in fact, there looks to be a gulf in class between us right now. They got their tactics right by nullifying our strength (excelllent passing of the ball to create space/chances) and pouncing on our weakness (caving under pressure of attacks). We were outclassed tonight and I can't see us making up the difference for a few years yet, I think that's what hurts the most.
Gooner_Vin
At the end of the day we were beaten fair and square by the current European and World Champions. My main criticism is weve been here before, Wenger saw the same problems last year and vowed to fix them but had a change of heart in pre season and we have suffered at the crunch time of the season for the 2nd year running. I hope the signing of Arshavin is a hint of things to come in terms of adding some experience and leadership to the squad. Also in terms of playing style we need to look at Uniteds 3rd goal and remember we used to score goals like that against top quality opposition..........
iceman10
At the end of the day we were beaten fair and square by the current European and World Champions. My main criticism is weve been here before, Wenger saw the same problems last year and vowed to fix them but had a change of heart in pre season and we have suffered at the crunch time of the season for the 2nd year running. I hope the signing of Arshavin is a hint of things to come in terms of adding some experience and leadership to the squad. Also in terms of playing style we need to look at Uniteds 3rd goal and remember we used to score goals like that against top quality opposition..........
iceman10
Does Gibbs need new bots or longer studs? We can't afford slips like those at this level.
Gael-Force
Does Gibbs need new bots or longer studs? We can't afford slips like those at this level.
Gael-Force
Gooner_Vin The gulf is'nt that big, what is killing us is the inexperience, not knowing how to handle nights like this one. We only need maybe two more "older players" IMO, get them and we will be much better at handling these games.
Armory
It's also worth highlighting and commending Bendtner's attitude when he came on. Hopefully people will recognise that.
Little Dutch
Gooner_Vin The gulf is'nt that big, what is killing us is the inexperience, not knowing how to handle nights like this one. We only need maybe two more "older players" IMO, get them and we will be much better at handling these games.
Armory
It's also worth highlighting and commending Bendtner's attitude when he came on. Hopefully people will recognise that.
Little Dutch
Little Dutch I agree and I was also impressed with Nasri.
Armory
Little Dutch I agree and I was also impressed with Nasri.
Armory
Gibbs has been nothing short of excellent for a 19yo who got pushed into the limelight like that. Our original backup LB, Traore, couldn't have done better. I really hope he stays strong and get better, and I think he will. LD, nice to know some Gooners including you did the right thing to applaud the best team in the tie (and in England). That little touch of class is 'what our club is all about' even if it's something that someone like Phil Brown conveniently forgot. Not the easiest thing to do so cheers.
GoonerLou
Gibbs has been nothing short of excellent for a 19yo who got pushed into the limelight like that. Our original backup LB, Traore, couldn't have done better. I really hope he stays strong and get better, and I think he will. LD, nice to know some Gooners including you did the right thing to applaud the best team in the tie (and in England). That little touch of class is 'what our club is all about' even if it's something that someone like Phil Brown conveniently forgot. Not the easiest thing to do so cheers.
GoonerLou
People streaming out when we are losing comes with territory of filling a 60,000 seater stadium im afraid. Its not just us, watch a re run of our title win at OT in 2002 and you will see many a red seat on show before the final whistle. only at Liverpool do they generally stay to the bitter end and even they might leave if taken apart by United in a champions league semi final.
iceman10
People streaming out when we are losing comes with territory of filling a 60,000 seater stadium im afraid. Its not just us, watch a re run of our title win at OT in 2002 and you will see many a red seat on show before the final whistle. only at Liverpool do they generally stay to the bitter end and even they might leave if taken apart by United in a champions league semi final.
iceman10
operationmindcrime..... ..Well I am glad that a par for the course quarter final is a good barometer of our success for you....is coming fourth aswell ?....
radarman
operationmindcrime..... ..Well I am glad that a par for the course quarter final is a good barometer of our success for you....is coming fourth aswell ?....
radarman
well it is the minimum..... lets not forget under graham we werent doing that either, 8th or 10th one season. We used to be happy with cup winners cup. Now we arent. To pretend as if those were the golden days is just stupid. Yes we sturggled this season, but we'v ended the season strongly last season we were in the title race up unitl april and only missed out by 4 points in the end. united and chelsea and liverpool have far greater resources than us. You know money doesnt grow out of your arse. We cant have our cake and eat it too. Oneday wenger will say "***** THIS, if i'm gonna get greif for this i may as well up sticks and go to madrid' and after that we will really struggle.
operationmindcrime
well it is the minimum..... lets not forget under graham we werent doing that either, 8th or 10th one season. We used to be happy with cup winners cup. Now we arent. To pretend as if those were the golden days is just stupid. Yes we sturggled this season, but we'v ended the season strongly last season we were in the title race up unitl april and only missed out by 4 points in the end. united and chelsea and liverpool have far greater resources than us. You know money doesnt grow out of your arse. We cant have our cake and eat it too. Oneday wenger will say "***** THIS, if i'm gonna get greif for this i may as well up sticks and go to madrid' and after that we will really struggle.
operationmindcrime
sure your feel like having a whinge.... we all do....but dont talk bullocks... there are enough of those people out there anyways.....next thing i'll hear is that because spurs have won the carling cup last year, they are the more successful team than arsenal
operationmindcrime
sure your feel like having a whinge.... we all do....but dont talk bullocks... there are enough of those people out there anyways.....next thing i'll hear is that because spurs have won the carling cup last year, they are the more successful team than arsenal
operationmindcrime
I guess the only appropriate word would be: Ouch! You need a proper holding midfielder, better central defense, and I'd personally ship Adebayor out. He looks utterly indifferent.
RadioactiveD
I guess the only appropriate word would be: Ouch! You need a proper holding midfielder, better central defense, and I'd personally ship Adebayor out. He looks utterly indifferent.
RadioactiveD
fact is i dont care about the poxy carling cup or even the fa cup. I only want us to do well in the league and the champs league..We may have slipped up in the league but our record of late in the champs league has been much much better. saying it all about trophies at the end of the day is stupid...........i'd rather play in the champs league quarter finals than win poxy carling cups.........its the same as in those home nations international tournaments....sure...everybody loved them, but they were competion for second rate international teams who failed to qualify for the world cup.......that is where the fa cups and carling cups are.... we had a good run in the champs league, unfortunately got raped by one of the 2 best teams in europe.....but trust me with them possibly geting rid of ronaldo and chelsea selling their players...united and chelsea will not be as strong in the coming years.....
operationmindcrime
fact is i dont care about the poxy carling cup or even the fa cup. I only want us to do well in the league and the champs league..We may have slipped up in the league but our record of late in the champs league has been much much better. saying it all about trophies at the end of the day is stupid...........i'd rather play in the champs league quarter finals than win poxy carling cups.........its the same as in those home nations international tournaments....sure...everybody loved them, but they were competion for second rate international teams who failed to qualify for the world cup.......that is where the fa cups and carling cups are.... we had a good run in the champs league, unfortunately got raped by one of the 2 best teams in europe.....but trust me with them possibly geting rid of ronaldo and chelsea selling their players...united and chelsea will not be as strong in the coming years.....
operationmindcrime
Even though i didnt leave, i dont blame anyone for leaving after the 3rd goal. Wenger went on about us putting on a magnificent performance and it didnt happen. I dont remember a testing shot over the 2 legs. For me along with the Chelsea game we looked pretty limp. We did not play our best in any of the 3 and let the fans down.
paul_ownz
Even though i didnt leave, i dont blame anyone for leaving after the 3rd goal. Wenger went on about us putting on a magnificent performance and it didnt happen. I dont remember a testing shot over the 2 legs. For me along with the Chelsea game we looked pretty limp. We did not play our best in any of the 3 and let the fans down.
paul_ownz
I dont think its just that both have better teams than us as earlier this year we have proved we can make chance, control parts of the game and play the way we want to. Maybe injuries in defence have not helped, but it seems to me we went in to these games thinking we had lost already.
paul_ownz
I dont think its just that both have better teams than us as earlier this year we have proved we can make chance, control parts of the game and play the way we want to. Maybe injuries in defence have not helped, but it seems to me we went in to these games thinking we had lost already.
paul_ownz
no i dont think so, it doesnt work like that fact is there two goals came very early. and after that whatever they did tactically went out of the window. In fact i was watching for the first 7 minutes and saying to myself Blimey the boys are really up for it. A slip happens and we are 3 goals behind. thats football. Thats life in fact I just dont think its lack of motivation or anything...if things were that easy then we would have won the european cup many times.....they were up for it, its just that two mistakes happened and they got punished for it. Chelsea made mistakes against barcelona the other day,, the ball didnt go in the back of the net. and everybody was hailing them.....John terry made a clanger against etoo similar to gibss when he got nutmegged...etoo didnt finish where as park did and thats that. People can ***** on about mental streengh and physical, in the end it comes down to very small fractions of a second mistakes, finishisng etc...... i dont think the will or the belief to win was lacking
operationmindcrime
no i dont think so, it doesnt work like that fact is there two goals came very early. and after that whatever they did tactically went out of the window. In fact i was watching for the first 7 minutes and saying to myself Blimey the boys are really up for it. A slip happens and we are 3 goals behind. thats football. Thats life in fact I just dont think its lack of motivation or anything...if things were that easy then we would have won the european cup many times.....they were up for it, its just that two mistakes happened and they got punished for it. Chelsea made mistakes against barcelona the other day,, the ball didnt go in the back of the net. and everybody was hailing them.....John terry made a clanger against etoo similar to gibss when he got nutmegged...etoo didnt finish where as park did and thats that. People can ***** on about mental streengh and physical, in the end it comes down to very small fractions of a second mistakes, finishisng etc...... i dont think the will or the belief to win was lacking
operationmindcrime
In 2 semi finals spanning 270 minutes we have controlled 10 minutes of football (The opening 10 vs Chelsea) That is a situation that has to be addressed this summer. Last year Wenger identified problems but chose to give these players a chance to solve them but when it came to the crunch they failed at the same stage as last year. I think he will rectify the situation this summer.
iceman10
In 2 semi finals spanning 270 minutes we have controlled 10 minutes of football (The opening 10 vs Chelsea) That is a situation that has to be addressed this summer. Last year Wenger identified problems but chose to give these players a chance to solve them but when it came to the crunch they failed at the same stage as last year. I think he will rectify the situation this summer.
iceman10
I think that the acquisition of arshavin has already shown that wenger knows this problem...... i feel arshavin is going to be a our main player next season we may need to buy decent squad players...... and i think left footed defensive midfeliders...thts what we lack.... i wouldnt mind gareth bary
operationmindcrime
I think that the acquisition of arshavin has already shown that wenger knows this problem...... i feel arshavin is going to be a our main player next season we may need to buy decent squad players...... and i think left footed defensive midfeliders...thts what we lack.... i wouldnt mind gareth bary
operationmindcrime
Im a Liverpool fan and i have to say that was a bad showing from Arsenal, in fact one of the worst i have ever seen. BUT what i find really pathetic is how many spurs fan are here making fun. How sad are Spurs fan, u lot are not even in the competition and are a mid table team at best and your making fun of arsenal...pfft. You lot seem to forget that united was able to score 5 goals in 45mins, trust me no one one in the top 6 takes you guys seriously. I cant wait till next season when you guys start talking nonsense after you win all your pre season games but will do **** all in the league agian and fire 3 mangers. losers
Klutch
Im a Liverpool fan and i have to say that was a bad showing from Arsenal, in fact one of the worst i have ever seen. BUT what i find really pathetic is how many spurs fan are here making fun. How sad are Spurs fan, u lot are not even in the competition and are a mid table team at best and your making fun of arsenal...pfft. You lot seem to forget that united was able to score 5 goals in 45mins, trust me no one one in the top 6 takes you guys seriously. I cant wait till next season when you guys start talking nonsense after you win all your pre season games but will do **** all in the league agian and fire 3 mangers. losers
Klutch
hey klutch, u tryin ot get browny points, go back to man u site with ur own rivalry, we have more spurs fans on vital arsenal then u have ur own liverpool fans on vital pool, FACT ...lol.
123spurs
hey klutch, u tryin ot get browny points, go back to man u site with ur own rivalry, we have more spurs fans on vital arsenal then u have ur own liverpool fans on vital pool, FACT ...lol.
123spurs
@ 123spurs Pffft...dude get a life, i can care less about Arsenal or your s**t club and i can understand you guys being happy when Arsenal loses in the premier league or the FA but to come on Arsenal site and talk nonsense about them when you guys are not even in the competition is really sad.
Klutch
@ 123spurs Pffft...dude get a life, i can care less about Arsenal or your s**t club and i can understand you guys being happy when Arsenal loses in the premier league or the FA but to come on Arsenal site and talk nonsense about them when you guys are not even in the competition is really sad.
Klutch
I think someone served us a dodgy lasagne before the game tonight lads !
Will-i-am10
I think someone served us a dodgy lasagne before the game tonight lads !
Will-i-am10
Had a great time in London last night for obvious reasons but obviously the game was over after 11minutes. Those two early goals really knocked the stuffing out your side. A very disappointing display from Theo and Fabregas who, imo are your key players right now.
ForeverUnited
Had a great time in London last night for obvious reasons but obviously the game was over after 11minutes. Those two early goals really knocked the stuffing out your side. A very disappointing display from Theo and Fabregas who, imo are your key players right now.
ForeverUnited
Fabregas is the captain of asernal and in spain he is not even in the starting eleven. Look at liverpol,Chelsea or Man U Or Barca. None of them have a captain who does not start for his country. that is the difference.Until asernal gets a real captain with leadership to motivate others, they will always come short
Scandium
Fabregas is the captain of asernal and in spain he is not even in the starting eleven. Look at liverpol,Chelsea or Man U Or Barca. None of them have a captain who does not start for his country. that is the difference.Until asernal gets a real captain with leadership to motivate others, they will always come short
Scandium
4-1 over the two legs is a right result, we know that in the 1st leg it should have been 3-0 in the 1st. So I suppose we got off lightlty. As for Gibbs, I hope he can recover from this, it was good to see RvP trying to encourage him after the goal. The free-kick give for the 2nd goal, was a great abit of play acting from Mr Show Pony! But Alumnia should have saved it, football can be so cruel sometimes, in the 1st leg it was Gibbs and Alumnia who shined. Man utd 3rd goal was very Arsenal like from defencing a corner to scoring a goal was something like 13-14 seconds! imo Nasri was the only bright spark in our performance, well done to him.
hackneyval
4-1 over the two legs is a right result, we know that in the 1st leg it should have been 3-0 in the 1st. So I suppose we got off lightlty. As for Gibbs, I hope he can recover from this, it was good to see RvP trying to encourage him after the goal. The free-kick give for the 2nd goal, was a great abit of play acting from Mr Show Pony! But Alumnia should have saved it, football can be so cruel sometimes, in the 1st leg it was Gibbs and Alumnia who shined. Man utd 3rd goal was very Arsenal like from defencing a corner to scoring a goal was something like 13-14 seconds! imo Nasri was the only bright spark in our performance, well done to him.
hackneyval
I'm not for a second saying that we lost because of the referee- we lost because ManU played better. But the referee was really poor. In the first half he called everything ManU's way, especially if Ronaldo was involved. I think he went into the break and reflected, and called everything ManU's way, until the third goal, and then he called it our way. Again, I don't blame the ref for the loss but he was truly crap- he should apply to the FA.
elbondo
I'm not for a second saying that we lost because of the referee- we lost because ManU played better. But the referee was really poor. In the first half he called everything ManU's way, especially if Ronaldo was involved. I think he went into the break and reflected, and called everything ManU's way, until the third goal, and then he called it our way. Again, I don't blame the ref for the loss but he was truly crap- he should apply to the FA.
elbondo
Hackneyval, how is 3-0 the right result for the first leg? Sure they outplayed us, but the key to winning is scoring goals (which they rectified tonight). They had their chances, Almunia stopped them, so they scored as many as they deserved. How many times have Arsenal drawn or lost to inferior opposition because of a hot keeper?
elbondo
Hackneyval, how is 3-0 the right result for the first leg? Sure they outplayed us, but the key to winning is scoring goals (which they rectified tonight). They had their chances, Almunia stopped them, so they scored as many as they deserved. How many times have Arsenal drawn or lost to inferior opposition because of a hot keeper?
elbondo
I dont think some of the criticism here is an over reaction. Personally, I dont have a problem with the loss, as ManU were the better side. But the lack of fight from our lads was a disappointment. Ronaldo had more shots on goal than the entire Arsenal team over 2 legs! That is simply not acceptable and does NOT reflect the current level of the team. Or maybe it does?
prits
I dont think some of the criticism here is an over reaction. Personally, I dont have a problem with the loss, as ManU were the better side. But the lack of fight from our lads was a disappointment. Ronaldo had more shots on goal than the entire Arsenal team over 2 legs! That is simply not acceptable and does NOT reflect the current level of the team. Or maybe it does?
prits
With all due respect, you have to remeber the amount of players missing through injury etc. People like Arshavin are big players for you and as long as Wenger puts his hand in his pocket in the summer you will be ok. You lost to the best team in the world so yes it does hurt but at least they are the best and you got as far as you did.
spursfan4eva
With all due respect, you have to remeber the amount of players missing through injury etc. People like Arshavin are big players for you and as long as Wenger puts his hand in his pocket in the summer you will be ok. You lost to the best team in the world so yes it does hurt but at least they are the best and you got as far as you did.
spursfan4eva
Klutch have you not got any hub caps to nick...hahahahahha!!! zzzzzzz
cockeril
Klutch have you not got any hub caps to nick...hahahahahha!!! zzzzzzz
cockeril
"but hey don't worry, next year right?" WhiteHartSpur. You're kidding right? A Spurs fan taking the mickey our of us gooners by saying next year! Oh how sweet the irony is and clearly lost on you, run along now eh sunshine.
LondonGooner
"but hey don't worry, next year right?" WhiteHartSpur. You're kidding right? A Spurs fan taking the mickey our of us gooners by saying next year! Oh how sweet the irony is and clearly lost on you, run along now eh sunshine.
LondonGooner
 

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