Arsenal 1 - Hull City 2

*silvestre*

Here is one sobbering statistic that will surely make my weekend even worse, and I may be wrong on this one but no team has yet won the league after losing two of their first six games. Right? I'm still not sure why this loss bothers me so much but it may that it highlighted everything that we knew was wrong with the team at the start of the season and could have addressed but didn't. I am afraid that our title challenge may have ended before it has even started. Somehow I couldn't picture Chelsea or ManU with this loss.

F*CK OFF ADEBAYOR !!! I DONT SEE WHY HE GETS AN AUTOPICK EVERY WEEK - HE IS NOT HENRY !

Ok, I am so disgusted by the performance and lack of commitment. I wonder who made some money on todays result.

Sunderland away and Spurs play Hull. Watch the Spuds turn them over easy.

I am so disgusted my todays performance and these multi millon dollar prima donna's, give me the carling cup babes anyday. At least they play with heart.

We have played a lot worse and won, believe me. But cfedit to Hull, they saw our weaknesses and fed on them. The two areas we expressly refused to improve in the summer were at the heart ofthe two goals. Geovanni has always had a good strike and he was allowed two unchallenged shots from range. This is what happens when you play without a defenisve midfield player. When you have a centre back pairing who cannot head a ball youwill always concede from set pieces. I said in my Fulham match report that game was no one off, when your team is plunged back into transition you will always get a few bad results. What you will also see is that there is no competition for places, so the players will get a bad result, have a brief four or five game response, followed by another bad result, so expect this kind of performance before the end of November. Gallas is playing terribly and Robin van Persie might well be one of the more over rated Arsenal players I can remember. What good is individual talent if you don't use it for the team? That man plays for himself and should no longer be a first choice. He's a luxury player that should be used from the bench.

What happend ? lost for words

You make a fair point Amos but Arsenal possess neither the solidity in defence nor the clinical finishing in front of goal that allowed the Mancs to successfully launch their assault on the title. Arguably, it was the very frailties that resulted in today's loss which were responsible for our capitulation last season. Furthermore, the current pace setters are a resurgent Chelsea who, by all accounts are a stronger proposition than last year's version.

Completely agree with LD & GunnerLou. We have seen it coming haven't we? A lot of us had expressed our concerned in the past few games that our frailities were so glaring that we could easily be punished by some more clinical team. The match proved a few points. The loss to Fulham was not one off and the to Hull will not be the last against teams deemed weaker than us. We have been losing to these teams for the past 3-4 seasons and honestly I was not overly shock by the result because I have set my expectation much lower since last season. Compared to MU, Chelsea & Liv, we were having the easiest opponents at this opening of season with almost full team. Everyone knows our weaknesses. If they make it very compact at the final 3rd, we will be completely loss and they are not afraid to give away corners and free kicks because we are so ***** in set pieces, both offensive and defensive. Except for the final 10 minutes where Fabregas made 2 long attempts, we never seemed to be able to shoot until we were within 6 yards from the goal.

In one way its better for us to get the disappointments over with now and re-set our expectations for the season (which many of had done already anyway). The midfield of Cesc and Denilson doesn't look right. Maybe it'll improve with time but I kind of got the impression at the game that Cesc wasn't getting the ball early enough as he'd have done in the past from Gilberto or Flamini. I guess Song was injured because otherwise he looks much better there and has a real physical presence about him which makes us tougher to beat in those areas. We are absolutely crying out for a Vieira/Gilberto/Flamini type of player and I think Song can be that guy.

too harsh on RVP there LD. it was the entire team who were complacent. and i had raised the point earlier too that we need someone in the centre of the defence who is strong in the air & this is where Silvestre & Djouro can help. surely they have to be better than Kolo n Gallas in the air. but i dun believe we're in a transition period again. it's good to have such eye openers now, rather than in march or april. and if yu think RVP is a luxury player, Adebayor is no better. no point in over reacting now. the players know what they need to do & it will be adressed..

I couldn't believe what I was watching, Adebayor doesn't deserve to demand his big wages, clichy had a shocker when usually so reliable, RVP wasn't in the game, and as for toure and gallas, well how wenger continues with him as captain is beyond me. the way forward is to bring ramsey in with cesc, put djourou and song into the team and drop ade for vela. i would make them fight for their places, and stop this mentality that they only need to turn up against the lesser teams and win easy. I always thought hull woud prove tricky after their good start, i never thought a loss was on the cards. now we have porto, sunderland and everton, i hope all 3 are wins, cos i can't see the chavs dropping points like we do.