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Arsenal 1 - Hull City 2

Premier League

Emirates Stadium

27/9/08 5:30 pm

Attendance: 60,037

Referee: Alan Wiley

1 - 2
Hull City
McShane (og) 51
Geovanni 62 Cousin 66
Venue: Emirates Stadium
Attendance: 60,037
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In games like this the only statistic of any significance is that we scored once and Hull scored twice. Though maybe another statistic is worth noting which is that we have conceded our 3rd goal from a corner in 6 PL games. That was something we appeared to have cured last season but it is a failing that is beginning to hurt us once again. I wasn't able to get to this game and haven't seen any highlights but looking at the individual player stats Hull seem to have suppressed our wide play from both midfield and full backs succesfully. Maybe Walcott from a wide position is still a little too easy to predict to be able to breakdown sides like Hull and Eboue seems to have had little effect down the left. Strangely it doesn't look as though we were willing or able to switch them at anytime with both sticking firmly to their alloted sides of the pitch.

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Writer: Amos Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Saturday September 27 2008

Time: 9:45PM

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silvester needs to start in place of gallas
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27/09/2008 21:58:00

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27/09/2008 21:58:00

If you look at our corner stats of all our games so far, its consistently 10+ in every game. We do not convert enough of our corners. Today Cesc' delivery was poor. Corners are something that we need to utilise more effectively. Hull had 4 corners and scored from one. We had 15 and scored none.
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27/09/2008 22:10:00

Here is one sobbering statistic that will surely make my weekend even worse, and I may be wrong on this one but no team has yet won the league after losing two of their first six games. Right? I'm still not sure why this loss bothers me so much but it may that it highlighted everything that we knew was wrong with the team at the start of the season and could have addressed but didn't. I am afraid that our title challenge may have ended before it has even started. Somehow I couldn't picture Chelsea or ManU with this loss.
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27/09/2008 22:32:00

Czar - I feel much like you in that I think it's going to be extremely difficult to see this as a potential championship winning season when you have reverses like this and Fulham. We've got a very tough run of fixtures coming up. Today is was almost as though we thought we just have to turn up and play our normal game and we'll win. There's such a fine line between confidence and complacency I guess.
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27/09/2008 22:40:00

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27/09/2008 23:26:00

That no team has yet won the league after losing two of their first six games might seem a sobering statistic but you would have to balance that against the fact that ManU managed to win the title last season despite having one point less than we currently have from their first 6 games.
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27/09/2008 23:31:00

Ok, I am so disgusted by the performance and lack of commitment. I wonder who made some money on todays result.
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27/09/2008 23:46:00

Who do you play next?
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28/09/2008 00:10:00

Sunderland away and Spurs play Hull. Watch the Spuds turn them over easy.
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28/09/2008 00:22:00

This is like the repeat of two seasons ago. Demolish a team in terms of statistics, but no win.
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28/09/2008 00:37:00

I am so disgusted my todays performance and these multi millon dollar prima donna's, give me the carling cup babes anyday. At least they play with heart.
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28/09/2008 00:39:00

Meant to say disgusted with todays performance
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28/09/2008 00:39:00

We have played a lot worse and won, believe me. But cfedit to Hull, they saw our weaknesses and fed on them. The two areas we expressly refused to improve in the summer were at the heart ofthe two goals. Geovanni has always had a good strike and he was allowed two unchallenged shots from range. This is what happens when you play without a defenisve midfield player. When you have a centre back pairing who cannot head a ball youwill always concede from set pieces. I said in my Fulham match report that game was no one off, when your team is plunged back into transition you will always get a few bad results. What you will also see is that there is no competition for places, so the players will get a bad result, have a brief four or five game response, followed by another bad result, so expect this kind of performance before the end of November. Gallas is playing terribly and Robin van Persie might well be one of the more over rated Arsenal players I can remember. What good is individual talent if you don't use it for the team? That man plays for himself and should no longer be a first choice. He's a luxury player that should be used from the bench.
Little Dutch
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28/09/2008 01:36:00

I know what you mean LD. I actually thought the performance itself (especially after some of the "high"lights again on MotD) was no worse than, say, Twente away. But it's the same-old-ness that frustrates people. Weaknesses that have been there for 2-3 years - although we did show some improvement in some periods last year - still have not been corrected. We've repeated those things so many times that it's becoming boring - defending long balls, attacking and defending set-pieces, attacking with a Plan B. Watching this game I felt like, after de-Hlebbing our midfield in summer, Hleb had come back tonight.
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28/09/2008 01:57:00

What happend ? lost for words
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28/09/2008 02:04:00

cant always play great footie an win...........
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28/09/2008 02:07:00

You make a fair point Amos but Arsenal possess neither the solidity in defence nor the clinical finishing in front of goal that allowed the Mancs to successfully launch their assault on the title. Arguably, it was the very frailties that resulted in today's loss which were responsible for our capitulation last season. Furthermore, the current pace setters are a resurgent Chelsea who, by all accounts are a stronger proposition than last year's version.
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28/09/2008 05:39:00

I have to agree with you with regards to RvP, LD. I do believe he is overrated, and I KNOW that he has exhausted my patience. The team plays better without him and if you don't believe that go back and watch last year's games again. They improved after his injury. I'd gladly put him on the bench in favor of Bendtner or Vela.
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28/09/2008 06:12:00

Completely agree with LD & GunnerLou. We have seen it coming haven't we? A lot of us had expressed our concerned in the past few games that our frailities were so glaring that we could easily be punished by some more clinical team. The match proved a few points. The loss to Fulham was not one off and the to Hull will not be the last against teams deemed weaker than us. We have been losing to these teams for the past 3-4 seasons and honestly I was not overly shock by the result because I have set my expectation much lower since last season. Compared to MU, Chelsea & Liv, we were having the easiest opponents at this opening of season with almost full team. Everyone knows our weaknesses. If they make it very compact at the final 3rd, we will be completely loss and they are not afraid to give away corners and free kicks because we are so ***** in set pieces, both offensive and defensive. Except for the final 10 minutes where Fabregas made 2 long attempts, we never seemed to be able to shoot until we were within 6 yards from the goal.
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28/09/2008 07:28:00

I felt if we'd had Nasri instead of Eboue things might have been different. The continued creative absence of him and Rosicky is unbalancing this team. Unfortunetly Fabregas is having to do more defensively because of Denilson's propensity to lose the ball, and his absence up front means we're suffering a triple creative whammy. We're losing our composure in front of goal just when we need it to put teams away. Eboue, Walcott and Adebayor are all instinctive players rather than cunning ones. So our attack wasn't clever enough to torpedo Hull and our defence simply isn't clever. Gallas is no Vidic and never will be. Wenger needs to learn that you can patch up and make do with central defenders. They can win and lose you matches, just like the strikers. It really is time to invest in a commanding aerial full-back and show you are serious in wanting to win the league.
Wyn Mills
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28/09/2008 09:00:00

In one way its better for us to get the disappointments over with now and re-set our expectations for the season (which many of had done already anyway). The midfield of Cesc and Denilson doesn't look right. Maybe it'll improve with time but I kind of got the impression at the game that Cesc wasn't getting the ball early enough as he'd have done in the past from Gilberto or Flamini. I guess Song was injured because otherwise he looks much better there and has a real physical presence about him which makes us tougher to beat in those areas. We are absolutely crying out for a Vieira/Gilberto/Flamini type of player and I think Song can be that guy.
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28/09/2008 09:20:00

And totally agree with the comments about RVP. For someone so talented, he has got to start doing more for the team. Ade normally gives opposition defences a really hard time esp at the Emirates but for some reason that wasn't the case yesterday.
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28/09/2008 09:23:00

too harsh on RVP there LD. it was the entire team who were complacent. and i had raised the point earlier too that we need someone in the centre of the defence who is strong in the air & this is where Silvestre & Djouro can help. surely they have to be better than Kolo n Gallas in the air. but i dun believe we're in a transition period again. it's good to have such eye openers now, rather than in march or april. and if yu think RVP is a luxury player, Adebayor is no better. no point in over reacting now. the players know what they need to do & it will be adressed..
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28/09/2008 09:45:00

I was literally stunned. RvP was ineffective, Ade complacently offside and we did not have enough urgency in our play. We are also wasteful with our free kicks and corners. Our conversion rate is poor. Don't we practice them? 3 goals conceded from corners tell its own story. We used to be a tall technical team, we are no a small technical team and that's hard in the PL. Nevertheless I trust Arsene to fix it.
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28/09/2008 10:17:00

I couldn't believe what I was watching, Adebayor doesn't deserve to demand his big wages, clichy had a shocker when usually so reliable, RVP wasn't in the game, and as for toure and gallas, well how wenger continues with him as captain is beyond me. the way forward is to bring ramsey in with cesc, put djourou and song into the team and drop ade for vela. i would make them fight for their places, and stop this mentality that they only need to turn up against the lesser teams and win easy. I always thought hull woud prove tricky after their good start, i never thought a loss was on the cards. now we have porto, sunderland and everton, i hope all 3 are wins, cos i can't see the chavs dropping points like we do.
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28/09/2008 11:42:00


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