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Stoke City 2 - Arsenal 1

Premier League

Britannia Stadium

1/11/08 15:00

Attendance: 26,704

Referee: Rob Styles

Stoke City
2 - 1
Fuller 11, Olofinjana 73
Clichy 90+4
Venue: Britannia Stadium
Attendance: 26,704
The Teams
van Persie
Game Statistics
Goal Attempts
On Target
Yellow Cards
Red Cards
I didn't get to see any part of this game so commenting on blind statistics alone risks being even more misleading than usual without the help of some visual support. On the other hand, scoreline and red card excepted, maybe the statistics are the more attractive way to view this contest. Along with possession, passing and tackle success, territorial advantage etc., we dominated the game in every area except the only ones that matter. Perhaps persuaded by the argument that our central midfield needed strengthening Wenger decided to go for quantity - at the expense of the very limited wide options we have. Midfield dominated possession, we won the ball plenty of times and tackle success rate was up at 85% - stratospheric numbers by recent standards. But we created fewer chances than usual. Statistically Cesc was the stand out midfielder with 96 passes 84% completion, 4 shots, 1 assist, 6 assist attempts and 1 ball won. Statistically midfields weakest link was Song with 62 passes 82% completion and 1 ball won. Both Diaby and Denilson contributed more offensively and defensively than he managed. An entirely different picture of the game may well emerge from seeing what really went on and as usual I'll trust Tim Stillman's match report to add the real colour and sense of place to the days events but we can at least celebrate one statistic worth noting - Gael notched his first goal for the club. Though maybe the statistic that will live longest in the memory is that we set our starting team selection based on what we were afraid Stoke could do to us rather than on what we might be able to do to them.

The Journalist

Writer: Amos Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Saturday November 1 2008

Time: 6:21PM

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That last sentence says it all for me Amos, "afraid of what Stoke could do to us" How depressing is that!
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01/11/2008 18:34:00

The starting 11 said a lot about the mindset of Wenger & Arsenal. Of the 4 shots on target, 2 were tame shots straight at the goalie, and should not count as real chances. Pretty poor stats where it really mattered.
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01/11/2008 18:36:00

Arsenal is a football club. We are not estate agents nor a football school. We are here to win trophies. Somebody tell Wenger that. All summer we all knew we needed steel and height in defensive midfield and centre-back. He said it himself. And What does he do? He says we are fine and goes out on the last day to get a finished player like Silvestre. Would MU sell us a Ronaldo or a Rooney? Look at our type midfield: Cesc, Nasri, Theo, Denilson... all less than 21 or 22 and all short and all small... what a joke....
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01/11/2008 19:09:00

Today was a good day, wouldn't you say? Ooooh, don't be bitter! I'm so happy, don't spoil it. Before you try and put me down, don't bother. NOTHING will upset me today. Spurs beat the 'pool and Ar5ena1 lost to Stoke.... I am Laughing My Frikkin' Ar5e Off!!!
Yid Singer
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01/11/2008 20:01:00

For once I don't begrudge you the win. It keeps us within 6 points of the leaders and you're still in the bottom three. That's not so bad.
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01/11/2008 20:11:00

We're moving up, and you're moving down. You've lost RvP for a few games, Theo for a few more, Adeboyer, Clichy and Sanga maybe for 1-2 and Stoke beat you. And you have Man U next. Yup, things aren't so bad. Oh, and we won. Did I mention that already? :D
Yid Singer
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01/11/2008 20:21:00

Maybe but we are still a lot closer to the leaders than you are to us. I can take that. Good luck with the rest of the relegation battle.
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01/11/2008 20:26:00

Enjoy it while you can, it'll be 9 points off the top after the Man U game and we will be at most, 7 points off a Uefa place after our Man City game. We have 5 points from 9 against three of the top 4 - two of those points away draws. I'll take that - for now.
Yid Singer
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01/11/2008 20:43:00

Well we'll see. Man City can be trickier than you think. Don't count your chickens too soon. You did that before the season started remember. But well done today. As I said before I don't begrudge you that win at all.
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01/11/2008 21:03:00

Stats mean ****** all when you lose, its our time to take the *****s,just beaten the league leaders,i dont know football eh!!!!!
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01/11/2008 21:04:00

haha yid singer, we both are in a battle, but ours is for the title and your's is for survival. given a choice, i know which one harry would like to be in..
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01/11/2008 21:05:00

I didn't "raise us up" pre-season, check the Vital archives if you can and you'll see my posts. I never wanted Ramos at Spurs, always wanted Jol to stay and was soooo happy when he went. But that's history and now I'm 'appy 'Arry is 'ere. And we will beat Man City. Excuse me, I'm off. I'm still smiling and it's starting to hurt!
Yid Singer
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01/11/2008 21:10:00

72.4 % os ball possesion and we lost. We need better strikers than we have. Superbayor is not doing enough to warrant his place in there. We need clinical and deadly striker like the henry's and Bergkamp's. I hope Eduardo comes back quick and stop the rot, and Vela to shine ASAP.
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01/11/2008 21:15:00

yahdy yahdy yahdy dah...***** up yid singer, enjoy your win, but it wont last long....if you think you can beat citeh just bcause you beat liverpool, think again.
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01/11/2008 21:21:00

i know this may sound like a crazy fantasy, but what if wenger purposely threw the game away, in hopes that the team would come out blazing guns because now, we are more inclined to prove ppl wrong? maybe yes, maybe not. GOONER-TILL-I-DIE's words not mine. cheers gooner that was more funny then all tottenham jokes last month put together. maybe thats what ramos was doing just pretending we we're s h i t.
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02/11/2008 00:48:00

yid singer part of me thinks your being naive and if yyou were slagging of another team then id have a right go at you. but considering theres been a laugh at spurs party on vital arsenal so far this season they really do deserve you. COYS
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02/11/2008 02:49:00

Oh Ladies what's wrong with the team, still having your menses ? LOL !!! LOL !!! LOL !!! LOL !!! LOL !!!
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02/11/2008 04:18:00

u smelly no fans woolwich comical scummy little club death 2 fairy gas
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02/11/2008 07:56:00

Need to sort your defence out urgently. No commanding figure at the back and the keepers poor umder the high ball
Tiny T
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02/11/2008 08:08:00

I admire Wenger for all he has done in developing the club in all round aspects. I believe had he compromise his football philosophy just a little i.e. playing to win rather than playing to entertain, we would have won a lot more titles. We wasted our ‘golden generation’, when we had the likes of Henry, Bergkamp, Pires, Vieira etc, all the world’s best players in their respective position, where we should have achieved much more had we learnt how to win ugly when things were not going our way. Fast forward, these players are now replaced with Ade, RvP, Nasri and Fab. Except for Nasri whom I would reserve my judgement, these players are simply not world beaters. I know I would be criticised for not placing Fab in the same class as Vieira but seriously, except for his exceptional vision which is comparable to the legend, what else he is better than him? His physical presence? His tackles? His athleticism? His headers? His leadership? Unfortunately, none of them. Vieira was a ‘stand alone player’ whereas Fab needs someone to do the donkey job for him. A manager of Wenger’s stature should have known better. Why didn’t he just pay Flamini the extra £5k he demanded and made him stay? It is now obvious that we are not going to win anything either with plan A; Walcott, Denilson, Fab, Nasri or Plan B; Denilson, Song, Fab, Diaby. Let us review the chronicle of our decline. It all started when MU ended our 49 matches unbeaten run. Then words were out that we could not cope with physical play. Subsequently, teams like Blackburn and Bolton stated to kick us off the park and we started dropping points to unfancied teams which lack technical skills. SAF were spreading the words on how to beat us. I remember when West Ham and Wigan beat us sometime ago their managers were quoted to thank SAF for his tips prior to the matches. Then Fat Sam discovered something new. Since Bolton relied a lot on set pieces then, he realised that as long as he could make it very compact in the final third and play a lot of long balls and set pieces, Arsenal could hardly cope. Bolton has since become our bogey team and words spread again. After the departure of Flamini, teams have found another weakness in us. They knew that no one would harass them outside of the box and they could always take their time to fine tune their long range attempts. I am sure words have been spreading again since the Hull match. The conundrum of why we had not rectified our inherent weaknesses from the past 3 or 4 seasons and have regress to the current state where we are even scare to play teams like Stoke really mystifies me. I love Wenger and want him to stay as long as he can with the club, but please play to win and solve our defensive problem. Get some players with grit and passion like Parlour. Get more physical players. I don’t care if we revert to those Vieira-Petit times where we had the worst disciplinary record as long as we win. The end justifies the means.
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02/11/2008 08:10:00

oh dear........what a attack........two goals conceded from long throws !!!!.....stupid sending off.....and spurs win too.....
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02/11/2008 09:18:00

Joe_** I wanted to rip into your comments but I cant because they seem to ring true. We do seem to have lost that fight to the finish we had, I'm hoping that this spell will be over soon. The talent is there I truly believe that and the Boss will bring it to the fore; just hope he does it soon before the malaise really sets in. I wont give up on them no matter what, when going gets tough Arsenal will respond and get tough too.
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02/11/2008 09:24:00

BENTLEY FROM THE ALFWAY LINE............sorry, are we talking the ***** out of them for another reason?
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02/11/2008 12:41:00

What happened to Walcott?? Is he fine?? He looked badly injured!
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02/11/2008 13:12:00

Amos thanks for your comments on club forum. I was extremely downhearted until I read your comments, which with others put the present position of this team into reality. We are from being dead an buried, and the reality is we are still within 6 points of the leaders. last season Manu lost both at home and away to man city, yet their fans still had faith. Our problem is we can at times see the brilliance of our team and expect it week in and out. I agree wholeheartedly with many who say the team have started to believe their own press. Also as LD has said why are they being allowed to talk to mag's, surely the boss needs to curb this. There is in my opinion a valid reason for making Ces captain, (what have we got to lose?). If the injuries on Saturday are as bad as we are lead to believe, then this a golden opportunity for future stars such as Aaron and jack to be put into the fray. The scream will be they are to young yet there are examples of such young men coming onto the centre stage and performing to the high standards we expect. Last but least of all the pitiful clowns,(not the true spuds fans) from WHL enjoy yourselves, but be very creful madam football has a big mouth and it will I can assure you come back and bite you on the arse.
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02/11/2008 14:30:00

Why are people still mentioning us in the same breath as the 'title race'? Sorry lads, but it's over... at least the atmos at the emirates is getting better eh, might open a book as to when will we not be able to fill it with day trippers.
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02/11/2008 14:46:00

Joe_@** - 10/10 mate, apart from the Bolton bogey team bit, obviously.
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02/11/2008 14:49:00

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02/11/2008 15:04:00

whats the latest with nasri ..???
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02/11/2008 15:44:00

14 attempts one goal.. dont seem right.
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02/11/2008 15:44:00

arsenal campain all over the place this season ..Good luck.
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02/11/2008 15:45:00

play yer kids cant do any worse
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02/11/2008 16:19:00

lucky 10 yer in a battle for 3rd or 4th an now it seems like 5th aswell chin up kid
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02/11/2008 16:22:00

I think all Spurs fan - and count me as one - need to get a grip. The gooners are far from finished and we are far from safe. Note: the last three Spurs manager all had a fantastic honeymoon period. How long will Spurs players keep performing like this? However, it is a bit of a laff winding up the scum
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02/11/2008 17:20:00

Just to be sure, how many players are going to be missing when you play us next week? I don't think it would be of any advantage to us but this could seriously hamper your title chances if they're out for too long. Liverpool lost yesterday and as such, I think it'd be premature to rule you out.
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02/11/2008 17:36:00

you need a long throw catergory when Stoke play!
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02/11/2008 19:52:00

I've only read this now, a few hours after I've completed the report and it confirms what I saw, we were not outfought or outmuscled or any such crap. We were unimaginative going forwards and could not deal with the long throw. The Spurs fans on here, unreal. You guys are in the bottom four but are so desperate for a dig you think it acceptable to come here, as clear and genuine relegation candidates, and give us stick? You shouldn't be rejoicing at all, you should be fretful. We gave one of your relegation rivals three points.
Little Dutch
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02/11/2008 21:43:00

Dont bother, LD. I've heard some spurs fans comment that they are only 7 pts behind a UEFA Cup spot. Its only a matter of time before reality hits them, again !
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02/11/2008 22:22:00

Wow,I find it hard to believe Stoke only had 27.6% possession,granted i only seen the highlights on MOTD though.Good to see them ruffle a few feathers and play to their strengths though,it's not pretty,but it works,and with the over paid players and coaches the so called bigger teams have surely they can negate a route one team with a long throw specialist?
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03/11/2008 15:07:00


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